Re: newbie
Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that. I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up. but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it, now i get nothing. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Hi, I think mopst likely the cause is that you didnt go into control panel and switch your startup disk. You might need to boot from floppy and do that. :) Cheers! -Original Message- From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Amy Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:34 PM To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: newbie Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that. I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up. but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it, now i get nothing. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
My Reply follows quote. On 05/05/2005 10:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, I think mopst likely the cause is that you didn't go into control panel and switch your startup disk. You might need to boot from floppy and do that. :) Cheers! -Original Message- From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Amy Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:34 PM To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: newbie Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/system 7.3 or something like that. I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up. but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it, now i get nothing. --- Is the external SCSI drive properly terminated and the ID set to something other than 7? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
What do you mean when you say it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that? What, literally, is on the external drive? Does it have the diskimage copied to it? (that won't work). Or did you (or someone else) take the diskimage and install it to the hard drive? (that should work). The SCSI chain may not be terminated properly with the internal drive totally unplugged. Try plugging the ribbon cable back into the internal HD, but not the power cord. That should terminate the chain but the internal drive won't actually spin up and cause problems. At 1:33 PM -0400 5/5/05, Eric Amy wrote: Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that. I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up. but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it, now i get nothing. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Shouldn't matter. A Mac that can't find a bootable drive where it was expecting one will poll to see if it finds one elsewhere. For example, if your System Folder is hosed and you attach a Zip drive with a bootable Zip cartridge and then power up your Mac, you'll normally see the beginnings of an attempted boot from the messed-up system, followed by a folder with the flashing question mark, followed after a moment or two by a smiling Mac and it then boots from the Zip. A System Folder that's hosed in such a way that it crashes the Mac, or a drive that's screwed up on a hardware level, requires bypassing the normal bootup volume or drive, as in this case where the user was instructed to unplug the messed-up internal drive. Normally this would cause the Mac to either sit dark for a moment or show the flashing questionmark folder, but then to switch to smiling Mac once it finds bootable media on the SCSI chain. At 1:54 PM -0400 5/5/05, Chuck Underhill wrote: Hi, I think mopst likely the cause is that you didnt go into control panel and switch your startup disk. You might need to boot from floppy and do that. :) -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
I took a good image that I have used in basilisk and vmac and wrote it to the drive using a disk utility. Something must have been lost in the translation. - Original Message - From: Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: Re: newbie What do you mean when you say it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that? What, literally, is on the external drive? Does it have the diskimage copied to it? (that won't work). Or did you (or someone else) take the diskimage and install it to the hard drive? (that should work). The SCSI chain may not be terminated properly with the internal drive totally unplugged. Try plugging the ribbon cable back into the internal HD, but not the power cord. That should terminate the chain but the internal drive won't actually spin up and cause problems. At 1:33 PM -0400 5/5/05, Eric Amy wrote: Ok i have my external SCSI drive formatted and it has a image on it w/ system 7.3 or something like that. I disconnected the bad internal one and fired it up. but instead of the blinking disk w/ the question mark on it, now i get nothing. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Hey, I have a 5200/75 with that Cache/ROM DIMM problem. Would a 5260 board do the trick? I found out something on eBay but they only shipped to USA, and I live in Portugal... On 4/28/05, TVirkkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The school district in my neck of the woods... Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure that there are people who even recyle their old 3 GHz computer when they buy a new 3.2GHz one. I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just have to know who to contact, where to look, and what questions to ask. ...is getting rid of all their Macs. I picked up quite a few Molars last year, not to mention 5xx0 AIOs. (Need any 5260 boards?) I have free 5x0s for anyone who wants to pick them up in Southwest Washington. I've been able to pick computers up at auction. The school gets rid of them cheap. And around here, there's only a limited Mac crowd, and they are giving away their oldies, buying new stuff. So every year until the Mac supply is gone I'll have new Old Macs. I don't have much competition, except for those LEMlisters here whom I remember to invite to the auctions (last year the auction was allegedly in the paper, but I never saw it, and didn't know its exact time or date until a few hours before the event). Last year the school threw away a color laserprinter that was in perfect shape - until it was dropped on the floor in the holding room! Aaaargh. It seems a shame. But progress is often marked by the carcasses at the side of the road we travel down, pell mell. Nicely, it's just old equipment, not the human dead, that our society puts aside so readily in the course of our onward push. t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Manuel Marques - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
--- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well you learn something new every day I guess, but the fact that it does nasty things to the RAM contents makes me even less likely to want to use it. I still stand by the fact it slowed down any Mac I ever used it on and also made it less stable, chronically so in 7.5. On Macs that I've used RAM Doubler on, I turned the compression OFF so it was only using the virtual memory function, which is better than Apple's. Then I'd also run RAM Charger 8.1 because it's a far better memory manager than what was built into the System or Mac OS. It will be total Fandemonium, Summer 2005! Check website for further info. http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Define SW Washington... I'm in Portland, and might have room for a spare Mac. That is, if the masters of my storage space will put up with something else in my old room. On 4/28/05, TVirkkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The school district in my neck of the woods... Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure that there are people who even recyle their old 3 GHz computer when they buy a new 3.2GHz one. I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just have to know who to contact, where to look, and what questions to ask. ...is getting rid of all their Macs. I picked up quite a few Molars last year, not to mention 5xx0 AIOs. (Need any 5260 boards?) I have free 5x0s for anyone who wants to pick them up in Southwest Washington. I've been able to pick computers up at auction. The school gets rid of them cheap. And around here, there's only a limited Mac crowd, and they are giving away their oldies, buying new stuff. So every year until the Mac supply is gone I'll have new Old Macs. I don't have much competition, except for those LEMlisters here whom I remember to invite to the auctions (last year the auction was allegedly in the paper, but I never saw it, and didn't know its exact time or date until a few hours before the event). Last year the school threw away a color laserprinter that was in perfect shape - until it was dropped on the floor in the holding room! Aaaargh. It seems a shame. But progress is often marked by the carcasses at the side of the road we travel down, pell mell. Nicely, it's just old equipment, not the human dead, that our society puts aside so readily in the course of our onward push. t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
H, my 5260 won't boot and I think its because the kitties knocked the KB off the top and it hit the cord for the external HDs. Would that require a new board inside? Steve On 4/29/05, NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Define SW Washington... I'm in Portland, and might have room for a spare Mac. That is, if the masters of my storage space will put up with something else in my old room. On 4/28/05, TVirkkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The school district in my neck of the woods... Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure that there are people who even recyle their old 3 GHz computer when they buy a new 3.2GHz one. I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just have to know who to contact, where to look, and what questions to ask. ...is getting rid of all their Macs. I picked up quite a few Molars last year, not to mention 5xx0 AIOs. (Need any 5260 boards?) I have free 5x0s for anyone who wants to pick them up in Southwest Washington. I've been able to pick computers up at auction. The school gets rid of them cheap. And around here, there's only a limited Mac crowd, and they are giving away their oldies, buying new stuff. So every year until the Mac supply is gone I'll have new Old Macs. I don't have much competition, except for those LEMlisters here whom I remember to invite to the auctions (last year the auction was allegedly in the paper, but I never saw it, and didn't know its exact time or date until a few hours before the event). Last year the school threw away a color laserprinter that was in perfect shape - until it was dropped on the floor in the holding room! Aaaargh. It seems a shame. But progress is often marked by the carcasses at the side of the road we travel down, pell mell. Nicely, it's just old equipment, not the human dead, that our society puts aside so readily in the course of our onward push. t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
--- Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops. Well I THOUGHT there were there, but I dunno if there is an updater from 7.0.1 to 7.1? Apple has never released 7.1 for free and there is no updater to convert 7.0.x to 7.1. To get 7.1, you have to find it elsewhere. ¬_¬ ;) It will be total Fandemonium, Summer 2005! Check website for further info. http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops. Well I THOUGHT there were there, but I dunno if there is an updater from 7.0.1 to 7.1? Apple has never released 7.1 for free and there is no updater to convert 7.0.x to 7.1. To get 7.1, you have to find it elsewhere. ¬_¬ ;) It will be total Fandemonium, Summer 2005! Check website for further info. http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com OK. Well I have a LCIII with system 7.1, but was pre-installed, and I got the computer from a university who wanted to destroy the computer (how come? the computer is fine!) and it is also the Portuguese version, so I can't help a lot. :( Regards -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
The school district in my neck of the woods... Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure that there are people who even recyle their old 3 GHz computer when they buy a new 3.2GHz one. I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just have to know who to contact, where to look, and what questions to ask. ...is getting rid of all their Macs. I picked up quite a few Molars last year, not to mention 5xx0 AIOs. (Need any 5260 boards?) I have free 5x0s for anyone who wants to pick them up in Southwest Washington. I've been able to pick computers up at auction. The school gets rid of them cheap. And around here, there's only a limited Mac crowd, and they are giving away their oldies, buying new stuff. So every year until the Mac supply is gone I'll have new Old Macs. I don't have much competition, except for those LEMlisters here whom I remember to invite to the auctions (last year the auction was allegedly in the paper, but I never saw it, and didn't know its exact time or date until a few hours before the event). Last year the school threw away a color laserprinter that was in perfect shape - until it was dropped on the floor in the holding room! Aaaargh. It seems a shame. But progress is often marked by the carcasses at the side of the road we travel down, pell mell. Nicely, it's just old equipment, not the human dead, that our society puts aside so readily in the course of our onward push. t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
On 26 Apr 2005, at 15:46, Manuel Marques wrote: I've got an LCIII running Mac OS 7.6.1 and it runs fine! But if you want reliability, you can download System 7.5.3 from Apple's website that it will run great! (of course I'm here talking, but my LCIII has 20 megs of RAM) It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. Admittedly if you are looking for an easy starter then 7.5.3 is free and available. To get the machine running it would be fine. Simply 7.1 is not the best option, and 7.5.3 has much more, and runs fine on that 8 meg PM! You should then get a copy of RAM Doubler (I could send you one, if you'd like). I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. 7.5.3 does run 'fine' on 8MB of RAM but 7.1 runs 'fast' on 8MB RAM, and less. I personally stopped running 7.5 on my machines long ago. It's not particularly stable once you start doing real work on them, and what you gain in features are usually mostly superfluous or can be added simply to 7.1 by dropping the later extensions into the System Folder. In addition a lot of software that specifies it requires 7.5 or later is usually lying, you just need to add a few extensions to 7.1 and it works fine. One of my neatest Tricks so far has been to copy the whole AppleShare and Networking structure from OS 8.1 to System 7.1 in order to gain AppleTalk over IP compatibility, works like a charm. Oh and as a last note you will need System Enabler 003 to run 7.1 on an LCIII. This is also available 'out there' but I wasn't able to put a finger on exactly where. I'd guess Apple still have it on FTP in the same place as System 7.5.3, that's where I got my copy. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
On 4/27/05, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Are you getting a bit confused here? Sounds to me like you're muddling RAMdoubler and virtual memory. RAMdoubler uses Zip-style compression on the contents of memory; it doesn't copy stuff to and from disk. Essentially, it compresses the contents of those bits of memory that belong to programs which aren't currently executing. It's an /alternative/ to virtual memory, which moves unused stuff in memory out onto disk. I use RAMdoubler on my Classic II under MacOS 7.6.1. 761 requires 12MB of RAM and a Classic II can only take up to 10MB, so without some assistance, it's not terribly stable and you can't run much. With RAMdoubler, the machine thinks it has 20MB and is fine - and faster than when using VM. -- Liam Proven Home: http://welcome.to/liamsweb * Blog: http://lproven.livejournal.com AOL, Yahoo UK: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508 * MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Where does one find floppies of System 7.1? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
I guess you can get some at Apple's website. (I found my 7.1 Portuguese System over there, check on English-North American Section. I dunno what's the link, I've got it bookmarked at home. I'll send you later. Regards On 4/27/05, Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does one find floppies of System 7.1? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Manuel Marques - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North Ameirican, but no 7.1. On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Did you ever find a hard drive? I have a 40MB one laying around, I think it was pulled from an LC or Classic II. It's even got system and some other stuff loaded on it, but I'd have to pop it in my LC to see exactly what. On 4/27/05, NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North Ameirican, but no 7.1. On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
If the original poster is not interested, I would be. I have the exact same situation - a perfectly good LCIII with a dead HD. I had a SCSI CD drive hooked up to it, but was still unable to get it to boot. Maybe because I don't really know what I'm doing. I also have a SCSI HD that I would like to access - at least to see what is on it. Right now it is not set-up, but if anyone has any suggestions on what to do, I would appreciate it. Also, if anyone is interested in the entire set-up, I would be happy to give it away (after I hopefully access the external drive). The only catch is that it would have to be picked up in the greater Boston area. Vanessa At 01:03 PM 4/27/05, you wrote: Did you ever find a hard drive? I have a 40MB one laying around, I think it was pulled from an LC or Classic II. It's even got system and some other stuff loaded on it, but I'd have to pop it in my LC to see exactly what. On 4/27/05, NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North Ameirican, but no 7.1. On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac
Re: newbie
Oops. Well I THOUGHT there were there, but I dunno if there is an updater from 7.0.1 to 7.1? Manuel Marques http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt/ -Original Message- From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of NODEraser Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Abril de 2005 18:02 To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: newbie I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North Ameirican, but no 7.1. On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
The 40MB hard drive I've got has the following software on it: Finder 6.1.7 System 6.0.7 HyperCard 2.1 MS Works 2.00b MS Word 4 If anyone is interested in it, e-mail me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I'd be willing to get it up for free (minus shipping of course), unless you've got something to trade/offer in return. On 4/27/05, Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops. Well I THOUGHT there were there, but I dunno if there is an updater from 7.0.1 to 7.1? Manuel Marques http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt/ -Original Message- From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of NODEraser Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Abril de 2005 18:02 To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: newbie I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North Ameirican, but no 7.1. On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1. 7.5.3 just slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was with my RAM maxed to 65MB. I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. Also correct. Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM doubler (because I was cheap). It seemed to work like a charm until I noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd simply hang). Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe
Fwd: newbie
I've got an LCIII running Mac OS 7.6.1 and it runs fine! But if you want reliability, you can download System 7.5.3 from Apple's website that it will run great! (of course I'm here talking, but my LCIII has 20 megs of RAM) I've installed 7.5.3 on a PM 5200 in an external 160 meg drive, so hard disk won't be the problem! Simply 7.1 is not the best option, and 7.5.3 has much more, and runs fine on that 8 meg PM! You should then get a copy of RAM Doubler (I could send you one, if you'd like). Greetings On 4/26/05, Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am new to your world of older MAC's. My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher. Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though, and I am at a loss on which drives would work. Any ideas? Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI sometimes requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID is not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then it will work OK provided the drive itself is working. The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris Works (1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a typewriter. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Manuel Marques - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt -- Manuel Marques - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
You can boot from an external SCSI drive. Might have to unplug the messed-up internal one, if it's hanging the system. At 1:52 PM -0400 4/26/05, Eric Amy wrote: I found a external SCSI drive, 40MB at a thrift shop that runs. Could this work instead, or do i need the internal one install first? Eric - Original Message - From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: newbie On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am new to your world of older MAC's. My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher. Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though, and I am at a loss on which drives would work. Any ideas? Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI sometimes requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID is not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then it will work OK provided the drive itself is working. The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris Works (1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a typewriter. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
I wouldn't call that an upgrade ;-) Eric Amy wrote: Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
yeps. you're darn right! Manuel Marques http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt/ -Original Message- From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ricardo L. A. Bánffy Sent: terça-feira, 26 de Abril de 2005 21:55 To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: newbie I wouldn't call that an upgrade ;-) Eric Amy wrote: Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Lol yeah considering they went w/ Gateway machines. - Original Message - From: Ricardo L. A. Bánffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: newbie I wouldn't call that an upgrade ;-) Eric Amy wrote: Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Is there anything I have to do to get the system to recognize the external one? Eric - Original Message - From: Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: newbie You can boot from an external SCSI drive. Might have to unplug the messed-up internal one, if it's hanging the system. At 1:52 PM -0400 4/26/05, Eric Amy wrote: I found a external SCSI drive, 40MB at a thrift shop that runs. Could this work instead, or do i need the internal one install first? Eric - Original Message - From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: newbie On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am new to your world of older MAC's. My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher. Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though, and I am at a loss on which drives would work. Any ideas? Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI sometimes requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID is not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then it will work OK provided the drive itself is working. The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris Works (1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a typewriter. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs
Re: newbie
From: Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:11:53 -0400 To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: newbie Is there anything I have to do to get the system to recognize the external one? Eric Just plug it in and make sure it's turned on before you turn on the Macintosh. And of course, make sure it is attached securely to the SCSI port on your Mac. If the drive is not formatted, not formatted for a Mac, or doesn't have an OS installed, it still may not boot up. In those cases, you'll need a boot disk with a copy of the program Apple SC HD Setup or a similar hard-disk formatting utility and a set of Mac OS System 7 installation disks. -Nat -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
Well, it should be terminated, and set to a SCSI address other than 7 (system controloler), other than 0 (typically the address of the internal SCSI drive), and in case you ever wish to add a CDROM drive, other than 3 (traditionally used for CD drives). Aside from that, you shouldn't have to do anything per se to get the system to recognize the external one, if by the system you mean the hardware. To get the OPERATING SYSTEM to recognize the drive, you need to format/initialize it. With your internal HD hosed, the question becomes What operating system?. You can install System 7 to the external drive from another Mac if you have access to one; or, if you have or can borrow an external SCSI CDROM, you can boot from CD (Hmm...or at least I think you can. Anyone know if an LC III will boot from a CD if a CDROM drive is attached and you hold down the C key?). Otherwise, you need to have installation floppies. The installation floppies for System 7 will include tools to format and initialize a drive, so you can boot from floppy and format the external hard disk and then install the OS onto it from floppies. That's probably your most likely scenario. At 7:11 PM -0400 4/26/05, Eric Amy wrote: Is there anything I have to do to get the system to recognize the external one? Eric - Original Message - From: Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: newbie You can boot from an external SCSI drive. Might have to unplug the messed-up internal one, if it's hanging the system. At 1:52 PM -0400 4/26/05, Eric Amy wrote: I found a external SCSI drive, 40MB at a thrift shop that runs. Could this work instead, or do i need the internal one install first? Eric - Original Message - From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: newbie On Tuesday, April 26, 2005, at 12:42PM, Eric Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am new to your world of older MAC's. My daughter recieved a LCIII from her grandmother who is a teacher. Her school upgraded to wintel machines and parted ways with thier MAC's. This particular machine is in need of a hard drive replacement though, and I am at a loss on which drives would work. Any ideas? Any 50-pin Narrow SCSI hard drive will drop straight in. SCSI sometimes requires a bit of Voodoo trickery to get working, but as long as the ID is not set to '7' (usually they are set to '0' on single drive Macs) and the drive is terminated (usually a jumper or a pair of resistor packs) then it will work OK provided the drive itself is working. The LCIII is a fairly robust machine generally speaking, if not the fastest on the planet. I would recommend you try and acquire a copy of System 7.1 on floppy disk as well as appropriate age copies of Claris Works (1.0 to 3.0 should run fine) or similar and it'll do great as a typewriter. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299
Re: Introducing self (list newbie)
--- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip Jump to the present. Someone left behind an original LC and I rescued it from being tossed out. The LC lets me experience an era that I bypassed: System 6 in color! http://www.lowendmac.com/lc/lc.shtml = It will be total Fandemonium! Nampa Civic Center, August 5th to August 7th, 2005! http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Introducing self (list newbie)
Hi! I'm new to the list but not new to the Mac. Or even new to the old Mac :) I cut my Mac teeth on the 512Ke's of the computer lab at SUNY / Old Westbury. These were the 512K Macs that had the 800K disk drives, and they were in fact very similar for most everyday purposes to the newer Mac Pluses at the front of the room. (Had half the RAM but for the apps I was using at the time that wasn't relevant; didn't have SCSI but again, who cared? The keyboards didn't have the numerical keypads that the Mac Plus keyboard had, but for the third time that didn't bother me much). System 3 was the reigning OS. We traded fonts from one copy of the OS (on floppy of course) to another, using Font/DA Mover and swapping floppies back and forth, back and forth. I soon had an astonishing number of fonts, with many families present in a wide range of point sizes (bitmap fonts, of course). Later, I designed my own fonts in Altsys FONTastic. When I had the money, I bought my own (used) Mac, an SE with the SuperDrive and a 40 MB internal HD. I'd upgraded to System 4 when it came out, and then went on to System 6 when I got the SE (although I also booted it in 4 some of the time). Got a 2400 baud modem to connect to the university's terminal and got hooked on BBS dialups in the area, downloading shareware like DiskInfo, SFVol, Compact Pro, GIFConverter... also had some commercial extensions like OnCue, a really cool launcher, and DOSMounter, which was infinitely cooler than that awful File Exchange program that Apple included for accessing files on DOS diskettes. I didn't care for System 7 for a long time after it came out: I had a machine that maxxed out at 4 MB of RAM, was never going to do virtual memory, and I had a zillion macros in Apple's MacroMaker which wasn't System 7 compatible and neither was OnCue, and I just didn't see any advantage to switching to an OS that stuck you in MultiFinder full-time whether you liked it or not! So I used System 6 up until 1994 or thereabouts. By then my SE was my second-tier machine, playing second-fiddle to a PowerMac, and it had an Applied Engineering '030 accelerator card in it which they finally made good on (just before AE folded, in fact) and modified it to address up to 16 MB of RAM. So I had a 16 MB System 6 machine, finally used MultiFinder full-time, and eventually switched to System 7. Jump to the present. Someone left behind an original LC and I rescued it from being tossed out. The LC lets me experience an era that I bypassed: System 6 in color! I have the LC online and have some questions and advice-requests and whatnot that I'll be posting about. Maybe I can help answer other folks' questions too :) -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~ahunter -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Introducing self (list newbie)
On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 07:30 PM, Allan Hunter wrote: Hi! I'm new to the list but not new to the Mac. Or even new to the old Mac :) Jump to the present. Someone left behind an original LC and I rescued it from being tossed out. The LC lets me experience an era that I bypassed: System 6 in color! I have the LC online and have some questions and advice-requests and whatnot that I'll be posting about. Maybe I can help answer other folks' questions too :) -- Allan Hunter Welcome, Allan You've touched on two of my favorites. The LC and the SE. I've got an Apple II card in one of my LCs. And it's stuffed with a lot of great DAs and inits. It's featured on Marten Van Den Kraats' System 6 Heaven website. Jeff G -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Quadra 760 and System 7.5 I'm A Newbie with MACS
I have a Mac Quadra 700 W/System 7.5. I also have a Apple Color Stylewriter 2400 and 2 ImageWriter II's. I need to find the Install floppies for them so I can try them with the 700. It curently has a Laserwriter Plus on the Desktop. Can that be uninstalled?? I also have a USR Sportster 28.8 external with cables. Got to find a Power Pack can't determine voltage. The 700 is set up with Power Talk but don't have the Key Chain Code to unlock with. I have several PC's [XT's thru Pentium I's] and 22Disk can I transfer from PC to Mac Floppies??? Hoping TIA Bob in Wisconsin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Quadra 760 and System 7.5 I'm A Newbie with MACS
My Reply follows quote. On 20/04/2004 10:45 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a Mac Quadra 700 W/System 7.5. I also have a Apple Color Stylewriter 2400 and 2 ImageWriter II's. I need to find the Install floppies for them so I can try them with the 700. Under the Apple Menu, drop down to Chooser. See if icons for the Imagewriter or stylewriter appear. If so, the drivers are installed. Just click on the onw you want to use, then click on the port they are connected to and close the Chooser. You should have Extensions Manager under the Apple Menu, Control Panels. You may have the drivers installed, but unchecked. If present, check them and restart the computer. See if the printers show up in the Chooser. If no luck, the drivers can be downloaded from the Apple Website. If no luck there, ask again and I or someone else can email them to you. It curently has a Laserwriter Plus on the Desktop. Can that be uninstalled?? It is probably an alias (shortcut). Drag it to the trash. I also have a USR Sportster 28.8 external with cables. Got to find a Power Pack can't determine voltage. Thought I had a USR modem around here, but if so, can't lay my hands on it just now, sorrry. The 700 is set up with Power Talk but don't have the Key Chain Code to unlock with. It's been a LONG time since I played, briefly, with PowerTalk. I suspect you can just uncheck all PowerTalk named items in the Extensions Manager and reboot. Save memory. I have several PC's [XT's thru Pentium I's] and 22Disk can I transfer from PC to Mac Floppies??? Well, you should be able to read PC floppies on the Mac, but it is MUCH more of a problem the other way around. Do the downloads to the PC, stick the floppy in the Mac and save to the Mac Hard Drive. Hoping TIA Bob in Wisconsin Have fun. Ken, in Oregon -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Quadra 760 and System 7.5 I'm A Newbie with MACS
--- Robert J. Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Mac Quadra 700 W/System 7.5. I also have a Apple Color Stylewriter 2400 and 2 ImageWriter II's. I need to find the Install floppies for them so I can try them with the 700. Download the 7.5.3 19 part Self Mounting Image and the 7.5.5 update floppy Disk Copy images from Apple. To use the 7.5.3, put all the parts in one folder then doubleclick the first part to mount the image. If you have the room or something like a Zip drive you can copy the files from the image. The 7.5.5 update can be copied to floppies. Drivers for all the printers you mentioned are part of the 7.5.3 install. I have several PC's [XT's thru Pentium I's] and 22Disk can I transfer from PC to Mac Floppies??? Try TransMac for Windows. The demo is limited to transferring files small enough to fit on a 1.44M floppy. Download on your PC in .bin or .hqx encoding and TransMac can decode as it copies to the Mac floppy. The only way available to read/write 400 or 800K Mac floppies on a PC is with the catweasel disk controller. Used to be made as an ISA card and now is made in a PCI version. It also enables direct reading of Amiga floppies and other odd formats. If anyone cared to do it, I bet there's a way to rip low density Mac disks to image files by connecting a Mac drive to a PC parallel or serial port. I ran across a way to do same with Amiga disks by interfacing an Amiga drive to a PC parallel port. Read only and only copies the entire disk, but works to get software for the Amiga Emulator. There used to be a device called the Central Point Option Board which plugged inline between your PC's floppy controller and the floppy drive. It hasn't been made in several years and I doubt it works in anything but DOS. = It's total Fandemonium! http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an at on ADB keyboard?
At 22:10:52 +0200 on 4/08/04, In-Hae Felton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? ASCII (AMERICAN Standard Code for Information Interchange). Not all the world uses American standards. Some countries even have a different language. ;-) (Sarcasm directed at some of the previous chauvinistic responses not at In-Hae.) So it shouldn't surprise us that keyboard layouts are not universal. Check it out...go to the keyboard control panel, select Swiss German, and de-select U.S. Then go to the Kez Caps utilitz. )Notice that some of the kezs have changed locations_= Donät forget to switch the control panel back to zour standard U.S. :-) In-Hae discovered on his/her own where the key was located. As others suggested, Key Caps allows for a quick and through exploration of the character map. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an at on ADB keyboard?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:51:15PM -0400, Robert Gray wrote:
Check it out...go to the keyboard control panel, select Swiss
German, and de-select U.S. Then go to the Kez Caps utilitz.
)Notice that some of the kezs have changed locations_= Donät forget
to switch the control panel back to zour standard U.S. :-)
Of course, things get very messy when you don't stick to ASCII.
For example: Don't came up as Don\xe4t in my text editor (vi),
while it came up as 'Don\{a}t' (to borrow the notation for LaTeX).
I thought that ' was part of the ASCII standard (the least
significant 7 bits), so it shouldn't make much of a difference in
an international context -- or should I say a Western European and
North American context. Pretty much anything goes for that eight
bit, but I suppose there isn't much you can do about that since it
is doubtful that the extra 128 characters could satisfy everybody.
But I'm curious about your use of Kez Caps utilitz. I'm fairly
certain that the keyboard layout control panel has nothing to do
with the language. (At least my computer never spells certain
words the proper way if I switch from US to UK, and I can switch
to CSA for my CSA keyboards and it doesn't give me French.)
Byron.
--
Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and...
Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A |
-- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! |
Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html
Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml
-- AOL users, remove mailto:;
Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/
Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an at on ADB keyboard?
In-Hae Felton asked: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? I've spent more than 20 Minutes on the web, but google did not turn up any results. got different replies: Stefan Daehler: Option (ALT) + G. Timothy Virkkala: @ = shift-2 and finally answered the question himself: Surprisingly the tips did not work, so I tried it again this morning. ...and after a lot (!) of try-and-error only came up with Shift-Option-1 for the @ sign. (?) Now *I'm* surprised. On all of my Macs it's option-* (asterisk). Did Apple then assign different key combinations for it on each keyboard (US, German, or, as mine, Swedish)? Then I understand why they made it option-2 on the new off-topic machines. I thought that was just another concession to WinDOS, but it seems that it really needed a fixed position for ALL keyboard layouts. /Mikael -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an at on ADB keyboard?
--- Kim Il Sung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip Now *I'm* surprised. On all of my Macs it's option-* (asterisk). Did Apple then assign different key combinations for it on each keyboard (US, German, or, as mine, Swedish)? Then I understand why they made it option-2 on the new off-topic machines. I thought that was just another concession to WinDOS, but it seems that it really needed a fixed position for ALL keyboard layouts. Dunno. But I can connect my ADB AppleDesign US keyboard into an ADB-USB adaptor then plug that into my PC and it works just fine. :) I can also plug in an ADB mouse but it's not too useful with only one button. ;) = It's total Fandemonium! http://www.fandemonium.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
In-Hae Felton, you wrote: I'm a bit embarrassed to ask, but: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? I've spent more than 20 Minutes on the web, but google did not turn up any results. @ = shift-2 Doesn't your system have a keycaps control panel? Or did that come later? Keycaps can show you everything you need. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
Original Message: Stefan Daehler, you wrote: Option (ALT) + G. That's a copyright sign... I had interpreted what he asked for as what he gave - undoubtedly pasted - from elsewhere Maybe I missed the point? My mistake, I beg your pardon. Did not keep in mind the different keyboard-layout. I'm working on a Swiss-German system. Steff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
Stefan Daehler, you wrote: Option (ALT) + G. That's a copyright sign... I had interpreted what he asked for as what he gave - undoubtedly pasted - from elsewhere Maybe I missed the point? t -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
on 04/09/2004 12:13 AM, Timothy Virkkala at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Daehler, you wrote: Option (ALT) + G. That's a copyright sign... I had interpreted what he asked for as what he gave - undoubtedly pasted - from elsewhere Maybe I missed the point? t ADB keyboard has no @ on the Keyboard. Like the old keyboard for a Plus. Michael -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
On Apr 09, 2004, at 07:47, Timothy Virkkala wrote: Keycaps can show you everything you need. Or pick up the old freeware version of PopChar which is even better. aedan Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski; you're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That, or Duder. His Dudeness. Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing-- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
Am 09.04.2004 um 08:47 schrieb Timothy Virkkala: In-Hae Felton, you wrote: I'm a bit embarrassed to ask, but: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? I've spent more than 20 Minutes on the web, but google did not turn up any results. @ = shift-2 Doesn't your system have a keycaps control panel? Or did that come later? Keycaps can show you everything you need. Thanks for all your replys. No, I am typing this under OS X on my PowerBook. Networking (and Internet) does not work on our SE yet. I did look for the keycaps control panel. Our German system 7.1 did not have one, nor the old adb keyboard. (yeah, I am really Germany even my name does not suggest so... :-) Surprisingly the tips did not work, so I tried it again this morning. ...and after a lot (!) of try-and-error only came up with Shift-Option-1 for the @ sign. (?) I did not expect it to be different on these old machines. Hey, the SE was not really built for internet and email. regards, In-Hae -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
I'm a bit embarrassed to ask, but: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? I've spent more than 20 Minutes on the web, but google did not turn up any results. Thanks so much. In-Hae -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Newbie: How to type an @ on ADB keyboard?
Original Message: I'm a bit embarrassed to ask, but: How do I get an @ on my SE 1/40 with ADB Keyboard? I've spent more than 20 Minutes on the web, but google did not turn up any results. Thanks so much. In-Hae Option (ALT) + G. Cheers Steff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
There is a book called The MacIntosh Bible which is extremely helpful for new Mac users. The earlier copyrights are best for your purposes. Hari Ellen Huff, religious user of the Bible Robert J. Stevens wrote: I Inherited a Mac LC II and a friend brought me a LC 580. I got both running but having been a PC user fixer for many Years I'm not real familier with the MAC's. Is there a good source for a Tutorial. All I have is the Getting Started Manual for the LC II. Plus System Floppies and some Games, CD's etc. The LC II has some Games. Would be good for the Kids but I have to learn more about running and Maintaining the MAC's. Got a couple of Quadra's also plus a MAC PLUS. Got some older Apples 2, 2C, and a GS plus lots of Drives, Monitors, couple keyboards. Got to get them all checked out and running Any Help will be appreciated TIA Bob in Wisconsin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
Robert J. Stevens wrote: I Inherited a Mac LC II and a friend brought me a LC 580. I got both running but having been a PC user fixer for many Years I'm not real familier with the MAC's. Is there a good source for a Tutorial. All I have is the Getting Started Manual for the LC II. Plus System Floppies and some Games, CD's etc. The LC II has some Games. Would be good for the Kids but I have to learn more about running and Maintaining the MAC's. Got a couple of Quadra's also plus a MAC PLUS. Got some older Apples 2, 2C, and a GS plus lots of Drives, Monitors, couple keyboards. Got to get them all checked out and running Any Help will be appreciated TIA Bob in Wisconsin For a different spin you might try http://www.graphixmad.plus.com/mac_troubleshooter/contents.html as its was writen with emulation in mind it may be more up you alley until you get mac speak down pat. No a all in one site like some but maybe useful -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
I Inherited a Mac LC II and a friend brought me a LC 580. I got both running but having been a PC user fixer for many Years I'm not real familier with the MAC's. Is there a good source for a Tutorial. All I have is the Getting Started Manual for the LC II. Plus System Floppies and some Games, CD's etc. The LC II has some Games. Would be good for the Kids but I have to learn more about running and Maintaining the MAC's. Got a couple of Quadra's also plus a MAC PLUS. Got some older Apples 2, 2C, and a GS plus lots of Drives, Monitors, couple keyboards. Got to get them all checked out and running Any Help will be appreciated TIA Bob in Wisconsin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
on 1/18/04 7:27 AM, Robert J. Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Inherited a Mac LC II and a friend brought me a LC 580. I got both running but having been a PC user fixer for many Years I'm not real familier with the MAC's. Is there a good source for a Tutorial. All I have is the Getting Started Manual for the LC II. Plus System Floppies and some Games, CD's etc. The LC II has some Games. Would be good for the Kids but I have to learn more about running and Maintaining the MAC's. Got a couple of Quadra's also plus a MAC PLUS. Got some older Apples 2, 2C, and a GS plus lots of Drives, Monitors, couple keyboards. Got to get them all checked out and running Any Help will be appreciated TIA Bob in Wisconsin Get that 580 up and ready for internet trawling. Find and install Open Transport 1.1 with the TCP and PPP settings and Open Transport 1.0 with the Modem and ppp/ot extension stuff. Probably from the below-mentioned Apple Older Software Site. If the 580 doesn't have an internal modem, buy an external one. You can start with www.jagshouse.com. Go here, too: w3.trib.com/~dwood/oldmac.html These two will open up a vast treasure trove of things to learn the Mac. The Apple Older Software Site has huge hoards of stuff for old Macs. Especially tutorials like Macintosh Basics. http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
J.S. Garrison wrote: on 1/18/04 7:27 AM, Robert J. Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Inherited a Mac LC II and a friend brought me a LC 580. I got both running but having been a PC user fixer for many Years I'm not real familier with the MAC's. Is there a good source for a Tutorial. All I have is the Getting Started Manual for the LC II. Plus System Floppies and some Games, CD's etc. The LC II has some Games. Would be good for the Kids but I have to learn more about running and Maintaining the MAC's. Got a couple of Quadra's also plus a MAC PLUS. Got some older Apples 2, 2C, and a GS plus lots of Drives, Monitors, couple keyboards. Got to get them all checked out and running Any Help will be appreciated TIA Bob in Wisconsin Get that 580 up and ready for internet trawling. Find and install Open Transport 1.1 with the TCP and PPP settings and Open Transport 1.0 with the Modem and ppp/ot extension stuff. Probably from the below-mentioned Apple Older Software Site. If the 580 doesn't have an internal modem, buy an external one. You can start with www.jagshouse.com. Go here, too: w3.trib.com/~dwood/oldmac.html These two will open up a vast treasure trove of things to learn the Mac. The Apple Older Software Site has huge hoards of stuff for old Macs. Especially tutorials like Macintosh Basics. http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html Jeff Jeff; Thanks Bob -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II and a LC 580 I'm A Newbie with MACS
Try downloading manuals. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 6 newbie question!
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 08:23 PM, Gamba wrote: When I insert a data disk (like the OS 7.6.1 install disk) I get an error that says the disk is locked and so OS6 can't put a desktop folder on it :-P So how do I read a CDROM? John Add this extension to System 6 folder. http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/download/desktopmgr201.sit.bin It should fix it. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 Thanks Gamba! That did it. So what exactly does the desk top manger do, and why would it not be part of the CDROM s/w? I used version 5.0.1. Maybe thats too new :-) John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 6 newbie question!
So what exactly does the desk top manger do, It allows System 6 to use System 7+ desktop files. Without it, System 6 wants to build it's own because it's desktop files are different than the later systems', and it can't see/use those later System desktop files. and why would it not be part of the CDROM s/w? Because if it were then it would be screwed up under System 7+. The Desktop Mgr extension is for only System 6 (and lower?), it causes problems if installed with higher systems. I used version 5.0.1. Maybe thats too new :-) It's not too new. I use version 5.3.1 with System 6, but 5.3.1 won't work with the audio CDs, so, your 5.0.1 sounds just right because it's done both for you. John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
OS 6 newbie question!
Hi I've just started playing with OS 6.0.8, having mostly worked with OS 7 or 8 before. Why, you ask! Because I went mad and bought a real computer - a PowerBook G4 12 running OS X. Now my old Mac collection seems slow. So I've been trying to set up a nice OS 6 system. I have a IIsi with NuBus adapter (includes the FPU), and 65Mb of memory. I also have installed a Radius PrecisionColor 8-XJ Video card in that single NuBus slot. With the Radisware s/w, this drives a Apple Portrait monitor with 256 accelerated grays :-) I've worked out how to use RamDisk to use the balance of my ram for a ram disk, so its not wasted under OS 6 24 bit addressing. I've installed CDROM setup s/w - but the only thing I seem to be able to do is play audio disks on my external tray-loading Apple CDROM drive. When I insert a data disk (like the OS 7.6.1 install disk) I get an error that says the disk is locked and so OS6 can't put a desktop folder on it :-P So how do I read a CDROM? Cheers, John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 6 newbie question!
on 7/9/03 9:23 PM, John Niven at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I've just started playing with OS 6.0.8, having mostly worked with OS 7 or 8 before. I've installed CDROM setup s/w - but the only thing I seem to be able to do is play audio disks on my external tray-loading Apple CDROM drive. When I insert a data disk (like the OS 7.6.1 install disk) I get an error that says the disk is locked and so OS6 can't put a desktop folder on it :-P So how do I read a CDROM? Cheers, John Visit the Apple website on older software. I think there's a CD ROM extension, Version 4.x (?) that works on System 6. I wasonce challenged to make a CD ROM work on my Mac Plus using only floppy drives. I did it using the Apple extension mentioned above. Jeff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS 6 newbie question!
When I insert a data disk (like the OS 7.6.1 install disk) I get an error that says the disk is locked and so OS6 can't put a desktop folder on it :-P So how do I read a CDROM? John Add this extension to System 6 folder. http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/download/desktopmgr201.sit.bin It should fix it. Gamba http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
OK, since no one else had any suggestion (besides Pickle) I shall try again I tried to use the System Suitcase from the Disk Tools (Disk 6 of 6, none of the others I have (2-5) have a System Suitcase/Folder) from System 7.0.1 to make a start-up disk for some of my older Macs. So far its a no go. Any ideas why this is failing? Define 'older Macs'. For that matter they aren't even compatible with sysem 7.01 Are you sure this Disk Tools disk is alright to begin with? Marten -- -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
Steve Conrad wrote: Of course, then you get into the Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for that... - Be a masochist and do it with A/UX :P can you put A/UX on to a flat pac mac?... i was under the impression i'd need something a little more powerful... thats why i havent tried it yet m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 02:27 Europe/London, Scott Holder wrote: At 12:54 AM 2/8/2003 +0100, you wrote: We need to get the fun back into this list. ... So tell us, why do you like flat pack macs so much? Do you have experience with other kinds of Macs? Marten I love them because they're reasonably capable machines, but are so tiny and tuck away in the corner even when in use. I have 8 475s in a pile in my room waiting for attention, along with other lesser LCs. I love em because they are dirt cheap and the 475s go on and on and on and on. I have never had a 475 die outright on me. I now have 3 full 040 LC machines, my 805 hack, a Performa 475 that is in great condition under all the cruft, and a 475 that has been tricked out with 64MB RAM and a 500MB hard disk. I have two web servers on LC475s (Well, one is a Quadra 605... same thing) and I used to love the bug-eyed look people would give them when I'd lift it up with one hand and say And this is my web server. I am seriously thinking of putting up a mirror of FPM on a Flat Pack Mac. I am moving the main site onto my new hosting package some time in the coming months (I have a .com at last!!) and I will keep the fpm.gotdns.com name and point it to my network mirror. Not only that, but I quite literally found it on the side of the road. I got 14 LCs, a IIcx, a 660av and a 7100 LoBo (now in the IIcx) all for GBP40 (which was mostly for the 660av) + GBP13.50 carriage. To slightly mangle an old adage, Never trust a server you can't lift ;) 's no good. I cant help myself, I still love that quote and how it applies so well to the Mac: Did I ever tell you about the time I met an IBM mainframe? Never trust a computer you can't lift! Brilliant :) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 07:10 Europe/London, Steve Conrad wrote: Of course, then you get into the Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for that... - Be a masochist and do it with A/UX :P Sadly, and this really pisses me off, A/UX doesn't run on LCs. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 09:58 Europe/London, iriXx wrote: Steve Conrad wrote: Of course, then you get into the Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for that... - Be a masochist and do it with A/UX :P can you put A/UX on to a flat pac mac?... Narr... damn annoying it is too. It won't run on AV Quardas either which is equally annoying as they are about the fastest 68k Macs about, well the 840av certainly is, the 660av certainly runs faster than the LC475 in 8.1. i was under the impression i'd need something a little more powerful... thats why i havent tried it yet It runs well on an 030, even the SE/30. I have run it on a IIci quite successfully. Now what I REALLY want is a version of A/UX that'll run on a 7100/80, that'd really confuse the nutz off people who see my 7100cx :D. I am most likely going to put BSD on one on my 475s and Linux on my 7100cx. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
Mark Benson wrote: Not only that, but I quite literally found it on the side of the road. I got 14 LCs, a IIcx, a 660av and a 7100 LoBo (now in the IIcx) all for GBP40 (which was mostly for the 660av) + GBP13.50 carriage. i met someone last night who told me they had 20 LCs thrown away in their dumpster last week... sadly he couldnt carry them :(... although he did retrieve me something i've always wanted - a R4000 SGI Indigo... *sigh* i cant believe places do this... m~ - going dumpster diving... *soon* !!! -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
Mark Benson wrote: can you put A/UX on to a flat pac mac?... Narr... damn annoying it is too. It won't run on AV Quardas either which is equally annoying as they are about the fastest 68k Macs about, well the 840av certainly is, the 660av certainly runs faster than the LC475 in 8.1. yeah... dang shame that, i bet it would rock on one of them i was under the impression i'd need something a little more powerful... thats why i havent tried it yet It runs well on an 030, even the SE/30. I have run it on a IIci quite successfully. Now what I REALLY want is a version of A/UX that'll run on a 7100/80, that'd really confuse the nutz off people who see my 7100cx :D. I am most likely going to put BSD on one on my 475s and Linux on my 7100cx. right... i wonder, would it run on a Powerbook Duo230? that is my other machine at the moment - i have it and a LC III, i've thought about putting Linux on them but im really more inclined to stick with the Apple OS's - i've got enough linux boxen as it is! :-) m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
--- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a clutch of 040MCs and upgrade them then you can try something like Linux or BSD on them. As a rule Unix doesn't line LC040s because of the FPU error/lack of FPU. While it can be compiled to run on an LC040, it only works on some of them. I bet what the deal is the ones it won't run on are actually full 040 chips that the FPU failed testing before being placed into the CPU package so they went in to the rework department to be lobotomized by having the FPU disabled. Then later when Apple started buying so many LC040 chips it was profitable for Motorola to specially design one with no FPU at all. That's what Intel did with their 486SX. :) Any exterior physical difference between an LC040 that linux will run on (albeit poorly) and one it won't run on at all? = Subatomic conspiracy group: The Free Mesons. Yes, they drink iced Lepton Tea with its own unique Flavor, when they gather at the Absolute Zero Lounge, and Dr. Strange leads their Charm School. They have a Spin doctor, who handles all their PR. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Dumpster diving! Re: not a newbie btw.
--- iriXx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i met someone last night who told me they had 20 LCs thrown away in their dumpster last week... sadly he couldnt carry them :(... although he did retrieve me something i've always wanted - a R4000 SGI Indigo... G THREW AWAY an R4000 Indigo??? Baka! So what if it is around 10 years old. = Subatomic conspiracy group: The Free Mesons. Yes, they drink iced Lepton Tea with its own unique Flavor, when they gather at the Absolute Zero Lounge, and Dr. Strange leads their Charm School. They have a Spin doctor, who handles all their PR. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 13:55 Europe/London, iriXx wrote: It runs well on an 030, even the SE/30. I have run it on a IIci quite successfully. Now what I REALLY want is a version of A/UX that'll run on a 7100/80, that'd really confuse the nutz off people who see my 7100cx :D. I am most likely going to put BSD on one on my 475s and Linux on my 7100cx. right... i wonder, would it run on a Powerbook Duo230? that is my other machine at the moment - i have it and a LC III, i've thought about putting Linux on them but im really more inclined to stick with the Apple OS's - i've got enough linux boxen as it is! :-) Nope, it won't run on Powerbooks either :(. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Dumpster diving! Re: not a newbie btw.
Gregg Eshelman wrote: G THREW AWAY an R4000 Indigo??? Baka! So what if it is around 10 years old. ... oh yeah... the other thing he found in their dump a few years back a working apple Lisa... !!! he's the only person i've met who has one... m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 14:06 Europe/London, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a clutch of 040MCs and upgrade them then you can try something like Linux or BSD on them. As a rule Unix doesn't line LC040s because of the FPU error/lack of FPU. While it can be compiled to run on an LC040, it only works on some of them. I bet what the deal is the ones it won't run on are actually full 040 chips that the FPU failed testing before being placed into the CPU package so they went in to the rework department to be lobotomized by having the FPU disabled. Then later when Apple started buying so many LC040 chips it was profitable for Motorola to specially design one with no FPU at all. The story behind this is that Motorola made a serious error in the FPU on the original 040. This error was so bad they had to scrap the chips and re-jig the circuitry. They once full 040 production was unerway they were stuck with a pile of faulty 040MCs and so disabled the FPU and sold them as LC040s. Apple saw this a a great chance to get 040 speed technology at a fraction of the price and sop bought the lot and began building LC475s and Performas with them in. These were sold at cut prices becuase the chips were only a fraction of the cost. Motorola actually had to start manufacturing LC040s to keep up with demand in the end. That's what Intel did with their 486SX. :) It's called economy, a driving force in manufacturing. This is also how chips get their Mhz rating. They are run across faster and faster test rigs until they fail the test harness routine and then they get dropped in the correct bin according to their tolerance. This is also why manufacturers have premium and low cost CPU ranges, and also why Moto and IBM still sell low-speed G4s despite the new ones being as fast as 1.42GHz. Any exterior physical difference between an LC040 that linux will run on (albeit poorly) and one it won't run on at all? I know for a fact BSD will run until it encounters an FPU call then it Kernel Panics and dies. :) I don't know if Linux has a work round for it. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 01:31 PM, Steve Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to use the System Suitcase from the Disk Tools (Disk 6 of 6, none of the others I have (2-5) have a System Suitcase/Folder) from System 7.0.1 to make a start-up disk for some of my older Macs. So far its a no go. Any ideas why this is failing? Looking at the disk images I have here, System 7.0.0 on 800Kb disks uses System 6.0.7 on the disk tools floppy. The 1.4Mb distribution uses System 7.0.x. Which Macs are you using and what error message is displayed when you try? Phil -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
At 02:51 PM 2/8/2003 +, you wrote: Any exterior physical difference between an LC040 that linux will run on (albeit poorly) and one it won't run on at all? I know for a fact BSD will run until it encounters an FPU call then it Kernel Panics and dies. :) I don't know if Linux has a work round for it. Linux itself has FPU emulation, which is why it can work on thinks like a 486SX and such. However, a lot of the LC040s not only don't have an FPU, but are bugged in such a way that FPU emulation like Linux's or SoftFPU just plain won't work. I don't understand the logistics of it, but that's the way it is. Scott Holder -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
On Saturday, Feb 8, 2003, at 16:27 Europe/London, Scott Holder wrote: Linux itself has FPU emulation, which is why it can work on thinks like a 486SX and such. However, a lot of the LC040s not only don't have an FPU, but are bugged in such a way that FPU emulation like Linux's or SoftFPU just plain won't work. I don't understand the logistics of it, but that's the way it is. The bug occurs on those LC040s that have the error in the FPU set, it somehow conflicts with the existing FPU system and causes the system to crash because technically speaking it does have an FPU. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
I know for a fact BSD will run until it encounters an FPU call then it Kernel Panics and dies. :) I don't know if Linux has a work round for it. probably if there isnt, if you post to usenet at linux.debian.68k or somewhere - or even the kernel developers list, linux.kernel, they might well cook up a work around... i know alan cox was involved in the 68k mac kernel development for some time, and he's 2nd in command to linus torvalds. :) m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
Any exterior physical difference between an LC040 that linux will run on (albeit poorly) and one it won't run on at all? I know for a fact BSD will run until it encounters an FPU call then it Kernel Panics and dies. :) This isn't quite true. On one of the truly defective LC's (a known mask revision), yes. On the others, it will run fine, just slowly. There is a complex but possible alternative way around this using a userland FPU library and recompiling the distribution. This works; it's just a cumbersome installation process. All in all, the $25 I paid for my real 040 for the Q605-LCIII hybrid was totally worth it. I don't know if Linux has a work round for it. Scott already answered this question :-) We should move this to MaX. We get no traffic there :-( -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What is THIS man doing here?! -- Maj. Hochstetter, Hogan's Heroes -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
Linux itself has FPU emulation, which is why it can work on thinks like a 486SX and such. However, a lot of the LC040s not only don't have an FPU, but are bugged in such a way that FPU emulation like Linux's or SoftFPU just plain won't work. I don't understand the logistics of it, but that's the way it is. It's a known bug in a certain mask revision that prevents the exception handling for FPU instructions from working correctly. The MacOS just works around this but neither Linux nor NetBSD does for some reason. A known workaround for NetBSD on these machines, besides pulling the CPU for a real 040, is to recompile everything with a userland FPU library and while quite cumbersome, this works fine. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gravity is a myth. The Earth just sucks. --- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
right... i wonder, would it run on a Powerbook Duo230? that is my other machine at the moment - i have it and a LC III, i've thought about putting Linux on them but im really more inclined to stick with the Apple OS's - i've got enough linux boxen as it is! :-) Why not try NetBSD? http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ I don't think the Duo is supported, but the LC3 is. It's much more mature than Linux on the Mac68k -- it's been around since the early 1990s when it started as MacBSD. -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Conscience makes egotists of us all. -- Oscar Wilde -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
Cameron Kaiser wrote: Why not try NetBSD? http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ I don't think the Duo is supported, but the LC3 is. It's much more mature than Linux on the Mac68k -- it's been around since the early 1990s when it started as MacBSD. can you actually still get copies of MacBSD? i've got lots of intel linux boxen havent tried BSD yet, but its probably more for one of my dumpster intels... i'm trying to keep the Macs to mac-related OS's - hence my interest in A/UX... but MacBSD sure would be cute on my LC III m~ -- iriXx www.iriXx.org copyleft: creativity, technology and freedom? [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.copyleftmedia.org.uk _ ( ) ascii ribbon against html email X / \cat /dev/sda1 /dev/dsp *** stopping make sense *** -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
I don't think the Duo is supported, but the LC3 is. It's much more mature than Linux on the Mac68k -- it's been around since the early 1990s when it started as MacBSD. can you actually still get copies of MacBSD? Not MacBSD as such -- the codebase was absorbed into NetBSD and became its 68k port. Allen Briggs might have some archival copies around, though (he was one of the original port group, along with people like Lawrence Kesteloot, etc.) Look here for how to contact him: http://www.macbsd.org/macbsd/ -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /etc/motd: /earth is 98% full. please delete anyone you can. --- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
http://www.macbsd.org/macbsd/ Er, http://www.macbsd.com/macbsd/ -- - personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /etc/motd: /earth is 98% full. please delete anyone you can. --- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
OK, since no one else had any suggestion (besides Pickle) I shall try again I tried to use the System Suitcase from the Disk Tools (Disk 6 of 6, none of the others I have (2-5) have a System Suitcase/Folder) from System 7.0.1 to make a start-up disk for some of my older Macs. So far its a no go. Any ideas why this is failing? Define 'older Macs'. For that matter they aren't even compatible with sysem 7.01 Are you sure this Disk Tools disk is alright to begin with? Marten - One is an SE that says it has been made into a Turbo SE (there is a sticker on the front). The other I had tried was a Plus I was told had been upgraded by the previous owner (as I have no Torx screwdriver I cannot verify this and so will from now on consider it just an ordinary Plus until proven otherwise). The disks came from a friend who used to work on computers until he joined the Navy. He had worked on my Macs several times and when he left I got all of his Mac stuff. Now, I would DL System 6 but the floppy drive in this IIci is acting up and pulling it and replacing it is not on my list of favorite activities. Steve Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.
--- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bug occurs on those LC040s that have the error in the FPU set, it somehow conflicts with the existing FPU system and causes the system to crash because technically speaking it does have an FPU. Probably because the 68k Linux authors haven't bothered to implement full FPU Ignore code for those LC040 chips with a present but disabled FPU. The Mac System/OS would have to have such code in it for them. Too bad that the full 68040 is not a plentiful as the 486 so everyone with an LC040 Mac could cheaply upgrade. :( AFAIK, the FPU in the similarly lobotomized 486sx is 100% totally invisible to any software and causes no problems except by not being available to software that requires an FPU. There was a hack floating around years ago that on some of them the FPU was actually perfect and drilling a tiny hole in the right spot to the right depth could remove the short bridge that disabled the FPU. Pretty risky when the chip cost a three figure price! :) (And pretty useless today!) = Subatomic conspiracy group: The Free Mesons. Yes, they drink iced Lepton Tea with its own unique Flavor, when they gather at the Absolute Zero Lounge, and Dr. Strange leads their Charm School. They have a Spin doctor, who handles all their PR. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
not a newbie btw.
Subject header says it all. LC newbie yes. Newsgroups and the like are old hat. FPM unite! Neal ~~~ www.turnoffyourtv.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
At 02:28 PM 2/7/2003, Neal Wingate typed thusly: FPM unite! Fast Page Mode? Fans of PowerMacs? Former Performa Macintoshes? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
FPM unite! = Flat Pack Macs UNITE. glad i could help..*giggle* Neal ~~~ www.turnoffyourtv.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
FPM unite! = Flat Pack Macs UNITE. We need to get the fun back into this list. ... So tell us, why do you like flat pack macs so much? Do you have experience with other kinds of Macs? Marten -- -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
On Friday, Feb 7, 2003, at 23:25 Europe/London, Neal Wingate wrote: FPM unite! = Flat Pack Macs UNITE. Ahhh, bless, a man after my own heart :D -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.gotdns.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Vintage Macs List Nanny Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
At 12:54 AM 2/8/2003 +0100, you wrote: We need to get the fun back into this list. ... So tell us, why do you like flat pack macs so much? Do you have experience with other kinds of Macs? Marten I love them because they're reasonably capable machines, but are so tiny and tuck away in the corner even when in use. I have two web servers on LC475s (Well, one is a Quadra 605... same thing) and I used to love the bug-eyed look people would give them when I'd lift it up with one hand and say And this is my web server. Not only that, but I quite literally found it on the side of the road. To slightly mangle an old adage, Never trust a server you can't lift ;) Scott Holder -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
At 03:25 PM 2/7/2003, Neal Wingate typed thusly: FPM unite! = Flat Pack Macs UNITE. glad i could help..*giggle* I should've remembered that. And I so like the Q607/Performa 476s I have... OK, I don't use 'em much, and probably won't 'til I get money for a NIC and larger (multi-gig) HD for 'em (I'm thinking MP3 server on one, test web server on another, VNC on 'em all.) Of course, then you get into the Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for that... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
Of course, then you get into the Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for that... - Be a masochist and do it with A/UX :P Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: not a newbie btw.
OK, since no one else had any suggestion (besides Pickle) I shall try again I tried to use the System Suitcase from the Disk Tools (Disk 6 of 6, none of the others I have (2-5) have a System Suitcase/Folder) from System 7.0.1 to make a start-up disk for some of my older Macs. So far its a no go. Any ideas why this is failing? Steve Steve Conrad 810 Main Henrietta, MO 64036 816-494-5692 http://sasha91.0pi.com www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/stonekeep/600 It is no secret (nor should it come as any surprise) that humankind's most noble impulses often surface during the most trying of times, that human spirit rises to the challenge when faced with adversity, that human strength is born from human failings...Is it any wonder, then, that the SDF-1 crew became a tighter family after the fortress had been exiled than it had before? From the log of Captain (later Admiral) Henry Gloval -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Mac LC II - newbie
Good morning, Would you please give me an advice what is the most recent operating system that I can use on a Mac LC II ? I mean use with a decent speed ;-) It is the old, small, model with monochrome monitor, BNC Ethernet adapter, etc. What I am primarily interested in is to send/receive e-mail and browse the Net using a connection through LAN (normal Ethernet shared with some PCs, a router, etc.). Is there any supplemental software I do need? Thanks a lot, Razvan -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II - newbie
On Tuesday, February 04, 2003, at 09:21AM, Razvan Sandu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you please give me an advice what is the most recent operating system that I can use on a Mac LC II ? I mean use with a decent speed ;-) It is the old, small, model with monochrome monitor, BNC Ethernet adapter, etc. Probably 7.1 is a good bet. 6.0.8L (I don't *think* 6.0.8 straight wil run on the LCII) is faster but is not really able to do what you want to do. 7.1 is fast enough on any 68030 to be usable. What I am primarily interested in is to send/receive e-mail and browse the Net using a connection through LAN (normal Ethernet shared with some PCs, a router, etc.). H... For e-mail Claris E-Mailer or an old version of Eudora (pre-4.0) would be ok, I have run both in 7.1 on an SE/30. For web browsing iCab is aboutt he only good browser that still works with anything, but you'll need some extensions for it to run - details are no doubt in the FAQ. Is there any supplemental software I do need? If you get the right ethernet card (i.e. Apple or Asante MacCon) you don't need any drivers, just the Ethertalk Phase-2 extension included with Sys. 7.1. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson http://fpm.gotdns.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac LC II - newbie
On Tuesday, February 04, 2003, at 09:21AM, Razvan Sandu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you please give me an advice what is the most recent operating system that I can use on a Mac LC II ? I mean use with a decent speed ;-) It is the old, small, model with monochrome monitor, BNC Ethernet adapter, etc. Probably 7.1 is a good bet. 6.0.8L (I don't *think* 6.0.8 straight wil run on the LCII) is faster but is not really able to do what you want to do. 7.1 is fast enough on any 68030 to be usable. I'll agree that 7.1 is about as new as you want to go with this machine. You can add alot of the features that 7.5 has if needed. See www.macfaq.org for details. What I am primarily interested in is to send/receive e-mail and browse the Net using a connection through LAN (normal Ethernet shared with some PCs, a router, etc.). H... For e-mail Claris E-Mailer or an old version of Eudora (pre-4.0) would be ok, I have run both in 7.1 on an SE/30. For web browsing iCab is aboutt he only good browser that still works with anything, but you'll need some extensions for it to run - details are no doubt in the FAQ. If you use Claris Emailer 1.1v3, the dates may be wrong (Y2K problem?). There's a patch for it, but if you'd rather not tinker with it, I can email you a copy of the hacked version. Email me off list if interested. However Emailer 2.0.3 is a much nicer program, and if you can find it, You'd probably be happier with it. J White Buy American S.O.S. Save Our Steel -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Linking a LC II with a Linux PC (newbie question)
Hello! Sorry, I've forgot to mention: there *is* a netatalk server *running* on Linux - it is included in Red Hat 8.0 distro. The only configuration task I did was to specify which Ethernet interface I use. I put that in /etc/atalk/atalk.conf as le0 (it is /dev/eth0) However, I don't see anything ... Of course, I've double-checked the cables and all rest. Could you help ? Thanks, Razvan -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Linking a LC II with a Linux PC (newbie question)
Razvan Sandu wrote: Hello! Sorry, I've forgot to mention: there *is* a netatalk server *running* on Linux - it is included in Red Hat 8.0 distro. The only configuration task I did was to specify which Ethernet interface I use. I put that in /etc/atalk/atalk.conf as le0 (it is /dev/eth0) However, I don't see anything ... Of course, I've double-checked the cables and all rest. Could you help ? Be a nice change if I could. :) http://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/ should be more help than the man page and more help than me trying to explain it. Bryan's suggestion to configure share points is a good place to start. The netatalk doc's installed after making the package are useful though reading Linux docs tends the give me a headache. If this is how you also find the doc's then try google and search the package name. Chances are you'll find a better page -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Linking a LC II with a Linux PC (newbie question)
Hello! Sorry for disturbing the list with a newbie question, but I have no other possibility to solve this problem. Would you please help ? I am trying to hook up a vintage Mac LC II and a Linux PC through an Ethernet link. Configuration is the following: Mac LC II (that with the old small monochrome monitor) 6 MB of RAM System software 7.1 Ethernet adapter (with BNC connector) AppleTalk panel present under System - Chooser, network in on position Linux PC Red Hat Linux 8.0 Ethernet adapter (with BNC connector) Linux atalk software (standard in RHL 8.0) Thin coax cable, 50 ohm terminators, etc. The problem is I can't see anything into AppleTalk panel when I connect the PC (I only have two icons, File sharing and Laser Writer). Since I'm a total newbie on the Mac platform, I have no ideea if there are things like a workgroup assignement, how I can establish an IP address for the Mac, how can I ping another computer, which other programs do I need and how I install them, etc. ... Would you please help? Thanks a lot, Razvan -- Dipl. Eng. Razvan SANDU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator - Bucharest, Romania Tel. +40 740 590687 ICQ# 46380005 http://www.rsandu.softhome.net/ Powered by Red Hat Linux 8.0 (Psyche) -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Linking a LC II with a Linux PC (newbie question)
At 13:52 +0200 on 03/12/02, Razvan Sandu wrote: Linux PC Red Hat Linux 8.0 Ethernet adapter (with BNC connector) Linux atalk software (standard in RHL 8.0) Thin coax cable, 50 ohm terminators, etc. The problem is I can't see anything into AppleTalk panel when I connect the PC (I only have two icons, File sharing and Laser Writer). Yeah, uh, there actually needs to be a netatalk server - not just the protocol itself - *running* if you want to see a shared volume on the network. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
