On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
>
> Here is my point:
> This is the kind of mentality I am presented with most often. Oh, I know
> operating systems, so I can do an expert install. What? There are
> thousands of packages? Oh, well I have the hd space so I guess I will
> install everything, an
On Thursday 08 March 2001 18:52, you wrote:
> On Thursday 08 March 2001 05:26, you wrote:
> > Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
> > I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
> > give it KDE and netscape 6 and it goes so slowly I have
> > to check to make *certain* its no
Pete wrote:
> He had chosen an expert install and wanted to
> know what packages he needed.
Windows doesn't even *have* an ``expert'' install!
> He then asked me why everything was
> installed by default,
The reasonable presumption is made that if you install something, you
want to run it.
Instead of second guessing what people might need or want, why not ask???
During install ask some simple questions:
You have installed a web server (apache), do you want it to start
automatically [yes] [no]
You have installed blah blah ...
Maybe with context sensitive help for each service
>
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>> Maybe I should have read the descriptions before claiming anything. But
>Sure, you should have - but by not doing so, you just showed how "newbies"
>would approach this. Mind you, I'm not calling you a newbie - I don't know
I don't mind because I h
>
> Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie kind of
> > user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should default
> > to being turned off. Yes, it's beginning to make sense. If someone knows
> > that he wants something, th
Perfect example of this happened to me today. A friend of mine stated he
was tired of running a certain other operating system and wanted to try something
different. He knew I ran Linux and asked if I could help him install it.
I was busy, but gladly gave him my Mandrake 7.2 cd's. This friend is a
Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Hmm, thinking about it - hmm, as Mandrake is targeted at the newbie kind of
> user, I begin to think that even after an install, a service should default
> to being turned off. Yes, it's beginning to make sense. If someone knows
> that he wants something, than it's easie
So sprach Joakim Bodin am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:26:53PM +0100:
> Some points that me irritates me about this atm.
>
> 1. Because I want to have a service installed but only run it once in a
> while ?
Uhm, then turn it off, but...
> 2. I'm a newbie and press the big "install everything" butt
On 03.09 Alexander Skwar wrote:
>
> > Mandrake secure and more responsive because I only want to run this
> > computer as a desktop for either workstation or development machine.
>
> But then, this does not make sense to me. Why install and turn off?
>
It makes perfect sense to me, even from
So sprach Matias Griese am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:04:05PM +0200:
> Maybe I should have read the descriptions before claiming anything. But
> still I have to ask: how many of you have diskless computers in your
> home? In my opinion those rare used features should be left optional.
Sure, you shou
Alexander Skwar wrote:
> So sprach Prana am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:13:18AM -0500:
>
>> See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
>> to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
>> conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means
Don,
> I see this as a VERY SERIOUS issue that needs to be looked
> into. RPM CAN NOT re-enable services that I've disabled!
Strongly agree !
> There are some services that should be enabled by
> default, in my opinion:
>
> Workstation installs:
> xfs, cups/lpd, crond, drakfont, gpm, harddrak
So sprach Michael Brown am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:27:53AM +:
> Seconded - the initial slocate update can bring a machine to a virtual
> halt for quite a long period of time, certainly long enough for a newbie
> to (wrongly) conclude that "Linux is slow".
Granted - but when should be the 1st
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:27:53 + (GMT)
Michael Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
> > Another thing that slows performance initially
> > are things like slocate. I know that it is necessary to update the
> > database and that once the database is updated, the next
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>Don't get me wrong here, but this sentence is just a great example and aid
>to what pranha (??) said: People don't get the namings. wu-ftpd kinda needs
Yes, that's true. It's been over a year when I last time used wu-ftpd.
At the time I had also anonft
So sprach Prana am Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:13:18AM -0500:
> See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
> to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
> conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means I want
> to install it?" :-) And
On 9 Mar 2001, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> "Steve Wray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
> > I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
>
> 64 mbytes is too little for 7.2 + kde2..
>
Ehem, i'm using 7.2 with kde2 for quite a while no
"Steve Wray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
> I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
64 mbytes is too little for 7.2 + kde2..
--
Guillaume Cottenceau - http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
> Also, I had a problem when Mandrake Update (in 7.2), after
> patching things, services which have already been turned off
> are turned on again. I only need those services occasionaly
> (such as xinetd) and I don't run it everytime.
I ran into this the other day. I couldn't believe it! I had
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pete wrote:
> I definitely turn off "mon", as it usually has my system for lunch right
> after the install. Another thing that slows performance initially are
> things like slocate. I know that it is necessary to update the database
> and that once the database is updated, t
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Pixel wrote:
> we don't think this as user-friendly. Either a server is useful and should be
> enabled, or it is not and should not be installed (and the server must be kind
> of hard to install).
It is *THIS* point that's important here. "Either a server is useful and
shoul
Title: RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
One point. Dependencies. Different users use their computers for different
purposes.
One of the more frustrating things for a newbie is for some task not to work
on their freshly installed linux system because a service
On Wednesday 07 March 2001 09:56, you wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Prana wrote:
> >And in 8.0 there's an install option that asks them about what services
> >they want to run. For God's sake, they're Windows-convert users, how can
>
> Like I said, the only question which I want to hear is:
> "Do y
So sprach Matias Griese am Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:56:22PM +0200:
> BTW: why do I have wu-ftpd, proftpd (added by myself), tftp-server and
> anonftp installed at the same time?
Don't get me wrong here, but this sentence is just a great example and aid
to what pranha (??) said: People don't get th
See, even Pete installs Zope, nfs, heartbeat :-) And Pete doesn't want
to run it. Maybe he just wants to test it? So how come developer's
conclusion is: "If I want to install this RPM package, it means I want
to install it?" :-) And how can I remember 2200 RPM packages? :-)
crond + anacron + xfs
Ed Wilts wrote:
> If you're installing as a desktop, all services should be off. If you're
> installing as a server, then services might be considered to be on, but
> xinetd not started by default. There is no reason to start services that are
> not used. None. Repeat after me - do not start a
On Thursday 08 March 2001 05:26, you wrote:
> Actually, I think its KDE thats bloated and resource hungry.
> I have an AMD K6 350 with 64 megs of RAM,
> give it KDE and netscape 6 and it goes so slowly I have
> to check to make *certain* its not running Windows!
64MB is tight. However, run Konqu
Prana wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
>
> Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
> than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
> resource hog, and it's true because they're
applications. Its just a hunch tho.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prana
> Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2001 7:56 p.m.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pixel
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 + 8.0 bloated and resource hog!
>
&
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Lee wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:02:21PM -0500, Prana wrote:
> > Hiya,
> >
> > Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
> >
> > Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
> > than 10 times. Now I read
Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gi/perl-install/share/rpmsrate
> Well, first off, I don't have a write access to Mandrake's CVS :-) Do
> you want to give me one?
at least give me a diff ;p
Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hiya,
>
> Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
>
> Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
> than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
> resource hog, and it's
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:02:21PM -0500, Prana wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
>
> Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
> than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
> res
Well... I think I should apologize to Pixel since I was too harsh about
turning network services off. I like Mandrake, it's an excellent
distro, and I hope the next version will be better, and I'll continue to
contribute more software to it (besides gnome-telnet &
MandrakeUpdateRobot). Oh well, f
--- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake
> 7.2?
>
> Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for
> more
> than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2
> being a
> resource hog,
Hi Pixel,
> we don't think this as user-friendly. Either a server is useful and should be
> enabled, or it is not and should not be installed (and the server must be kind
> of hard to install).
If you want a comparison: in Windows 2000, terminal server, IIS server,
etc are not running by default,
"R.I.P. Deaddog" wrote:
>
> Yes, a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's linux knowledge is like
> this: "what is apache?"
Yes, and a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's Linux knowledge is like
this: "what is amd, dhcpd, heartbeat, ldirectord, lvs, portmap, xntpd,
xinetd?" . Those abbreviation really *do
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Prana wrote:
>Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
>than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
I agree. Last time I installed cooker (MDK8.0b) I had to turn most of
the services off. It was not enough, because I
Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Yeah.
> Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
> than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
> resource hog, and i
Agree the security part of it here. Remember the Ramen worm? Most people
tend to make full installation, and did nothing to turn them off later,
and left it open to internet thinking that it's the most secure OS in the
world. Yes, a *VERY LARGE* portion of people's linux knowledge is like
this: "
Hiya,
Did you guys read the review in ActiveWin.com about Linux Mandrake 7.2?
Since last year I've been saying "Turn off services by default" for more
than 10 times. Now I read a review in ActiveWin.com about LM 7.2 being a
resource hog, and it's true because they're running a whole bunch of
ser
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