--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part
> > of the
> >> power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
> student of Guru Dev's, who said it.
>
There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a
leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was
started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Willy:
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > > Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-
authored 'Spiritual
> > > > Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he proba
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
> know this information?
>
By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
studying with his master for thirteen years?
> Does his name contain Saraswati?
>
Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh w
Richard J. Williams wrote:
>markmeredith wrote:
>
>
>>Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
>>of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
>>meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
>>
>>
>>
>So, it's a common practice all
It is the Disney film "The Parent Trap".
Identical twins are separated as toddlers, brought up separately by
each parent a continent away from each other, ignorant of the
other's existence.
And this is a comedy?
At least in "The Producers" the play-within-a-play
called "Springtime for Hitler"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the
> > meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment
progression
> > as a star
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
>
Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names
carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in
India to g
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current
> hallucinogens.
>
Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant
cultivation. Apparently one of the first plants domesticated by man
was the barley plant, from which the ancients made beer. Closel
on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part
> of the
>> power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't
> aligned
>> with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from
>> Europe, to t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> > a "leading suspect"!
>
> Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
> student of Guru Dev's,
> > The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi
> > Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as
> > Acharya Shree.
> >
anon_astute_ff wrote:
> Pardon... but how do you know this for sure?
>
One of my teachers, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple of
Guru Dev, told
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly
> implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set
up
> by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of
> recertificati
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> > > the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> wrote:
> >
> > on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at bmorry2000@ wrote:
> >
> > > Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided
a
> > > public e
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > It was a shock at the time.
> >
>
> You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage
> in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history.
It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student
poisoning hi
And you're a wetnurse too, oh jnani on the spot, Flanegin?
Do share, please.
Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity.
Anything less is a m
> > The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
> >
cardemaister wrote:
> AFAIK, that's "raama", not "ram".
>
You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition
- it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as
a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedan
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
> Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
> a "leading suspect"!
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student
of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes!
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on 4/5/06 11:20 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
>> I was thinking of more recent material and comment like
>> seen here over the last several years.
>>
> The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few
> emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> wrote:
> >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > > It was a shock at the time.
> > > >
> > sparaig wrote:
> > > You're easily shocked since succession issues have be
> > There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at
> > Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the
> > Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's
> > face.
> >
jim_flanegin wrote:
> Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its
> worst. Guru Dev was de
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> > >
> > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
> > the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
> > headquarters matha
> > So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
> > Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a
> > meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija
> > mantras is widespread.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many
> time
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet,
> please send it in soon :-)
>
> Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>
> (to be signed by the teacher of TM)
>
> It is my privilege Maharishi,
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
> the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say
> 250 years).
Actually Willie, I was aware of all this.
> For all we know, the real Shankaracha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the
> meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression
> as a starting point for their own theories.
>
You think his theory is original? Didn
Vaj wrote:
> I was thinking of more recent material and comment like
> seen here over the last several years.
>
The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few
emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've really got nothing. Skin
boys don't know Jack. If insiders like Rick and M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the Milk Ocean'
> is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In Buddhist
> mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants them
> imm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > > It was a shock at the time.
> > >
> sparaig wrote:
> > You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
> > the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
> > o
"Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara.
> Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree.
>
Pardon... but how do you know this for sure?
Are you suggesting it is incorrect to refer to Shankara as Adi Shankara?
sparaig wrote:
> They don't maintain the websites any more that I can tell.
>
Trancenet has been down for a couple of years - Minit Org (Meditation
Information Network) hasn't been updated since at least 1994. However,
Mike Doughney and John Knapp drop in every once in a while on Usenet
to try and
Vaj wrote:
> > It was a shock at the time.
> >
sparaig wrote:
> You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
> the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
> of history.
>
Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
the succession at Jyo
sparaig wrote:
> Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique
> involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called)
> from Gurudev.
>
Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama
was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami
Bra
sparaig wrote:
> And what have they been?
>
The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or
to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books
or tapes is contained in his introduction to 'Spiritual Choices' -
it's in most public libraries. However, I would
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function
of the
> brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities.
They also
> mention that it facilitates milk production, something man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why
> > are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has
> > the 'low down'
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why
> are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has
> the 'low down' on the Marshy?
Actually I said the opposite of what you're claiming:
"What is unf
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> > Brahmananda. S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found
out
> > > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of
Swami
> > > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this?
>
> Some.
>
> I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here
> over the last several years.
>
Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function of the brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities. They also mention that it facilitates milk production, something many women are still desirous of after pregnancy and may require the assistance of eith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> markmeredith wrote:
> > Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> > of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> > meditation practice, but they seem to be very
Vaj wrote:
> I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly
> like reading KW.
>
Well, you read it here - Wilber hasn't made any comments on the 'low
down' on the Marshy, except in his book 'Spiritual Choices'.
> He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio.
>
Better in person.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely
> resembles Sw
Vaj wrote:
> Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for reminding me.
>
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markmeredith wrote:
> Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
>
So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
> As di
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
> > that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
> > Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most
> closely
> > resembles Swami Brahmananda's ow
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
> > It's very ubiquitous.
> >
> So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
> Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
> similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is
> wi
sparaig wrote:
> ...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a
> controvesial will didn't make the connection for you?
>
It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact,
Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the
Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
wrote:
> >
> > wayback71 wrote:
> > > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
> > >
> > wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore p
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote:
> As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this?
Some.
I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here
over the last several years.
I had the impression that the TM-ex material had changed little in
years. Am I incorrect
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:59 AM, sparaig wrote:
> Hmmm, so you're saying that the TM-ex groups, among others, haven't
> maintained webpages for years on thte "inner secret dirty laundry" of
> TM and MMY and that the Wikipedia article on TM doesn't link to them?
Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for
sparaig wrote:
> As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this?
>
Apparently not. I've read all of the TM-ex stuff posted on Usenet by
Lon P. Stacks, Steve Perino, John Manning, Robert Kropinsky, John
Knapp, Don Krieger, and Mike Doughney, several times, and there's no
'low down' information
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> wayback71 wrote:
> > Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
> >
> wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
> training - he just needs to have the current
Vaj wrote:
> It's very ubiquitous.
>
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread.
> Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras.
>
So, you d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
>
> > I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by "lowdown".
> > I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in
> > ffld for decades a
Hi Willy:
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
> > > Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual
> > > Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably
> > > never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy?
> > >
> > We don't know if he did
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> > > the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> > >
> > The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati
sampradaya,
> > the Dasanami
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> > There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8:
> >
> > http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm
> >
> So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the
> infor
Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly
implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up
by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of
recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, V
Vaj wrote:
> Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your
> own experience.
>
Mark just admitted that after decades of poking around, he still
hardly knows anything, and he lived in Fairfield for years, a town you
apparently never even visited. From what I've read, you haven't be
markmeredith2002 wrote:
> I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by
> "lowdown". I practiced TM for decades, did most every course
> possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent
> poking around as the kool aid wore off,
>
So, Mark, you spent almost your entire
Vaj wrote:
> > Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual
> > Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably
> > never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy?
> >
> We don't know if he did or did not.
>
If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the '
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
> I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by "lowdown".
> I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in
> ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool
> aid wore off, but still knew on
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
> > Which matha are you particularly referring to?
> >
> The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
> the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
> headquarters matha of Swami Brahma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> > Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> > > the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
> > >
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Which matha are you particularly referring to?
>
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was
Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Srin
wayback71 wrote:
> Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
>
wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit
in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the
Superr
Hi Willy
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Vaj wrote:
>
> > What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> > the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
> >
> Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual
> Choices' with Dick Anthon
Vaj wrote:
> What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
>
Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual
Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never
heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Mars
sparaig wrote:
> There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8:
>
> http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm
>
So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the
information about TucsonConsciousness - maybe I'll see you there.
Will you be wearing a name badge?
> Of c
cardemaister wrote:
> We've tried to transliterate the original
> text as accurately as possible. There
> are some strange features in that text,
> like ignored sandhis, and stuff.
>
So, you're a Sanskrit transliterator.
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traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro
viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te
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tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna,
niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH
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> on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a
> > public excuse for the OJs.
>
> So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
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> > > I always thought the TMO should publish ALL TM research -- both
> > > neg
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