Re: [general] version of GCC...

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ansky wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: did we ever bottom out on what range of GCC we'll support? I have a patch I want to commit that is known to not compile under 4.1.1... Hmm no I don't remember such agreement. I think GCC is mostly backwards compatible, and anything that compiles

Re: svn commit: r470310 - in /incubator/harmony/standard/site: README.txt docs/contributors.html xdocs/contributors.xml

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Oliver Deakin wrote: I think you might be right - I just made a change to test, ran the Ant build script without altering the css location, and it looked ok to me. Perhaps there are some pages that don't generate properly that I've missed - any of the website design gurus know if we still ne

Re: [general] committers list

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
*Passes magic wand over repository* done, r470339. Regards, Oliver Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Any chance you give your magic commit powers another spin and put the committer list in alphabetical order, by last name (a - zed) :) geir Oliver Deakin wrote: Apologies for the lack of commit m

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - an attempt at [even more] clarity

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: There are multiple 'devtarget's -- each contains all the source code marked-up for every target being developed, but each is distinct by having different targets uncommented. Since each devtarget contains the entire s

Re: [doc] What should be improved in DRLVM Doxygen documentation?

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Have fun. :) But to be clear, you'd be improving the source that makes bytecodes_8h? geir Leviev, Ilia A wrote: Hi, I volunteer for improving bytecodes_8h.html in my spare time. Objections? Best regards, Ilia Leviev Intel Java & XML Engineering -Original Message- From: Fedotov,

Re: [drlvm] Is it time to say goodbye to dear friend GC v4?

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
me, I occasionally use it (GCv4) and a modified version of GCv4.1 (which can help detect heap access via lost pointers). Most of the time I prefer second one, but sometimes it is helpful to run with completely different code base. I didn't try GCv5 yet. If it stable I will switch to it. -- I

Re: [drlvm] more self-dependent VM tasks, newbies welcome

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Egor Pasko wrote: On the 0x216 day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote: Sure, so use wiki as a community collaboration tool, and then point to the JIRAs... OK, my suggestion was to put links to JIRA tasks from the page: http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/DRLVM%20newbie%20tasks Now I

Re: Brush up Harmony pages

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Konovalova, Svetlana wrote: Alexey, Thanks a lot applying the patch and appreciating the pages :) But I got two concerns about Cruise control testing description page [1]: 1. It does not have it's own title. Now the title is: "Apache Harmony - Apache Harmony". I suggest "Apache Harmony - Bui

Re: [classlib]Harmony classlib with J9 VM passes all the tests provided by JUnit4.1

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Leo Li wrote: They are the total test run times and I really feel that harmony launches slower than RI. It is the most abvious difference not only from the above result. I have once tested the performance about net and the result ensures me that harmony performances almost as good as RI althoug

Re: [drlvm][test]Exclude some tests from "build test" target, make 'build test' pass

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Rana Dasgupta wrote: Hi, I did not want to start a new thread for this. Could someone please close JIRA issues 1109, 1662, 1830? These have been fixed by recent changes in the stack and exception handling. In any case, none of them repro. Comments on teh JIRA. I closed 1109 and 1162, but

Re: [general] version of GCC...

2006-11-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Salikh Zakirov wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: did we ever bottom out on what range of GCC we'll support? I think we didn't, and I doubt we ever could. Of course we can. We just say "version X -> Version y" Still, it's not a problem if the commit

[general] version of GCC...

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
did we ever bottom out on what range of GCC we'll support? I have a patch I want to commit that is known to not compile under 4.1.1... geir

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
works. It will be fun to play with. geir Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The "communication" aspect of 2 can be quite helpful when doing system-wide changes. Just think about the effect of s

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The "communication" aspect of 2 can be quite helpful when doing system-wide changes. Just think about the effect of simply doing a system-wide reindentation of source code; this is a nigh

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
BTW, I'm more than happy if you just do a quick sketch of what you're thinking, and we resume the convo from there. I just wanted to clear up some confusion I had. geir Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The "communication" aspe

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The "communication" aspect of 2 can be quite helpful when doing system-wide changes. Just think about the effect of simply doing a system-wide reindentation of source code; this is a nightmare when developing using branches, as diff/m

Re: [drlvm] Is it time to say goodbye to dear friend GC v4?

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
stable I will switch to it. -- Ivan On 11/2/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any reason to keep this around in the main branch?

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gregory Shimansky wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Gregory Shimansky wrote: Geir I actually was serious. Probably you were confused, I didn't write "build test", I wrote "build smoke.test". The first one works ok, the second doesn't. It happens because

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: [SNIP] Such changes are usually not dealt with very neatly with "svn merge". I'm confused. I don't think anyone has suggested that we use "svn merge" for this. Now, if using the processign tool, you get at least 2 benefits over "svn merge": 1- No need to do any "

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: [...] See, I'm hoping for something a tad different : 1) For building : process() (and revert() for fun) for cmd line use for the build scripts, so we just do ... 2) For development : IDE plugin where a) I can tell plugin th

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: To release code, one would apply: process(X, release-target) => Y Now, it is important to understand that Y, in this case, is NOT suitable for doing any modification as revert(Y) => Kaboom! (The tool will simply report that it can&#

Re: [general] Transition to TLP

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I was going to start organizing the infrastructure transition to TLP. On the list are : [SNIP] I agree that we are still drawing value from all talking on the same channel, so let's keep it that way for now. I can't think of any o

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Sian January wrote: On 02/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sian January wrote: > I believe that in CVS when you make a branch there's nothing in it to > begin with, so if you check out code from the branch it looks the same > as code in head. Then

Re: [drlvm] more self-dependent VM tasks, newbies welcome

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
technical. The TODO page as it is today, with sublinks, also seems well suited to capture this info. But it's not a big deal. On 11/2/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Rana Dasgupta wrote: > No problem with them be

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
and we can stare at that together, and figure out how to integrate... simplest thing would be to rename the current "test" target to "test_loop" or something, and then :) geir Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Gregory Shimansky wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why not use

Re: [drlvm] more self-dependent VM tasks, newbies welcome

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
PROTECTED]> wrote: On the 0x215 day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote: > Alexey Varlamov wrote: > > 2006/11/2, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Put them in as JIRAs > > Done: HARMONY-2051, 2052, 2053. > > Thanks - that just makes it easy

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ould come up w/ use cases based on Java 6 (as we're going to do it at some point) and work from there. geir Thanks, Sian On 02/11/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Sian January wrote: > I may be total

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gregory Shimansky wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why not use junit? If you mean why not use junit to loop over tests, then it is not the case. I've used junit to do this in my work. The loop which I wrote here is the loop over components in the build.xml of drlvm. If you run &

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
10/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: So we all agree that it's not an ideal solution. Can anyone think of anything else? No one said this was going to be easy... geir -- Sian January IBM Java Technology Centre, UK

Re: [classlib][swing] compatibility: j.s.text.GapContent.replace() behaviour

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Why not? Ivanov, Alexey A wrote: -Original Message- From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:50 PM To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [classlib][swing] compatibility: j.s.text.GapContent.replace() behaviour HARMONY-1975is alre

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Salikh Zakirov wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why not use junit? task in implicitly assumes that you can run all tests in single JVM instance. Though it does provide fork-mode to run tests in separate JVM processes, it still does not allow per-test JVM args configuration. Which is

Re: [general] Transition to TLP

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Alexey Petrenko wrote: 2006/11/2, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I was going to start organizing the infrastructure transition to TLP. On the list are : 1) website goes to "http://harmony.apache.org/"; 2) mail lists become And harmony-commits will become [EMAIL

Re: [classlib][portlib] Docs?

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Paulex Yang wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Paulex Yang wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: yeah - someone generate, and we can hang them on the website. I'm not sure we'd want to check them in though... Is it possible to add documents into website but not to commit them in SVN?

[general] Transition to TLP

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I was going to start organizing the infrastructure transition to TLP. On the list are : 1) website goes to "http://harmony.apache.org/"; 2) mail lists become [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. This will be transparent - we'll move subscribers over, and I suppose we forward @incubator traffic to @h

Re: [drlvm] more self-dependent VM tasks, newbies welcome

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Alexey Varlamov wrote: 2006/11/2, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Put them in as JIRAs Done: HARMONY-2051, 2052, 2053. Thanks - that just makes it easy for people to grab them and get going... Alexey Varlamov wrote: > Below is a list of isolated development tasks whi

Re: svn commit: r470310 - in /incubator/harmony/standard/site: README.txt docs/contributors.html xdocs/contributors.xml

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Any chance you give your magic commit powers another spin and put the committer list in alphabetical order, by last name (a - zed) :) geir Oliver Deakin wrote: Apologies for the lack of commit message - in the excitement of adding myself to the list of committers I clicked "ok" a little too so

Re: [classlib] Really trivial comment about exception messages

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
I love working with the English. "What is the colour of the 'zed' before the fullstop?" Mark Hindess wrote: While checking and applying some of Ilya's patches for internationalisation, I noticed that there were quite a few messages that end with a fullstop. Aside from the inconsistency (whic

Re: [doc]Please help to remove outdated info from the site

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Nice - buy why not put the tasks in JIRA? Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: Thanks all who helped with the "what can we do now" page - the new page is shorter but none the less useful. My suggestion is to add more links to the page. It now only links to the applist. More candidates: classlib status page

Re: [drlvm] more self-dependent VM tasks, newbies welcome

2006-11-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Put them in as JIRAs Alexey Varlamov wrote: Below is a list of isolated development tasks which do not require advanced knowledge of VM and could be a nice start for newbies to get acquainted with the code. All items are targeted for better code sharing. 1) Eliminate duplicate implementation of

Re: [general] Re: svn commit: r469512 - in /incubator/harmony/standard/site: docs/contributors.html xdocs/contributors.xml

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
added perms for gregory, oliver, richard and alexei for svn and jira Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: that's because you haven't been added to the svn perms. I'll do that in a bit... Gregory Shimansky wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:28 Tim Ellison wrote: Hurray! [EMAIL P

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
one. -Nathan [1] http://antenna.sourceforge.net/#preprocess [2] http://www.netbeans.org/kb/50/quickstart-mobility.html On 11/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Etienne Gagnon wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >> There's caching too, I think. LogCache4J >

Re: [general] Re: svn commit: r469512 - in /incubator/harmony/standard/site: docs/contributors.html xdocs/contributors.xml

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
that's because you haven't been added to the svn perms. I'll do that in a bit... Gregory Shimansky wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:28 Tim Ellison wrote: Hurray! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: apetrenko Date: Tue Oct 31 06:57:44 2006 New Revision: 469512 URL: http://svn.apache.org/vi

Re: [classlib][portlib] Docs?

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Paulex Yang wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: yeah - someone generate, and we can hang them on the website. I'm not sure we'd want to check them in though... Is it possible to add documents into website but not to commit them in SVN? Yep. I was thinking the same for the Do

Re: 235 tests are missed at DRLVM test run for Windows

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
:) cool Anton Luht wrote: Hello, Queue appeared to be a stack :) Both requests are implemented, others are pending. On 11/1/06, Anton Luht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Feature requests from Geir (multiple select for tags) and Alexey (shortcut to compare two runs from the first page) are accept

Re: [doc] "EM" minor typos are corrected

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
done Konovalova, Svetlana wrote: Folks, Some minor typos were discovered in the "Execution Manager Component Description". In cooperation with Mikhail Fursov we've created a couple of necessary patches [http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2036]. Would be great, if someone can find a

Re: [classlib]Harmony passes 100% testcases of Tomcat5.5

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Yah, that was my point. Glad to know it was already there. geir Paulex Yang wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Great! Does anything link to that page? IOW, if I started at the top, could I find the page using some reasonable path to get there? Front Page

Re: [doc]Please help to remove outdated info from the site

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Given there's no info there, I think you are on the right track :) geir Konovalova, Svetlana wrote: Folks, You might know that certain Harmony pages are out-of-date and need to be modified. One of such pages is http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/status.html . Now I'm working at creating the

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Why not use junit? geir Gregory Shimansky wrote: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 19:48 Alexey Varlamov wrote: Gregory, I observed similar quirks with paths while intergrating kernel tests into build. AFAIU the "Grand Design" is the following: there are abstracted targets and isolated component

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: On 11/1/06, Etienne Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For comfortable IDE development, one could imagine that the IDE editor can reduce to "one-line visible" comments (or better, specially formatted ones) so that it gives you the impression that you

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: There's caching too, I think. LogCache4J What I meant was that it didn't seem like we came to a conclusion on it - that if we had a general pre-processing solution, we could use that too for logging, rather than have two. The actual

[drlvm] Is it time to say goodbye to dear friend GC v4?

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Is there any reason to keep this around in the main branch? geir

Re: [DRLVM] ipf initial support (interpreter mode)

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
yay! Ivan Volosyuk wrote: Hi All, DRLVM now builds and run (interpreter mode) on IPF with HARMONY-2004. The patch should cause no changes on other architectures. Currently, in interpreter mode everything works fine but GC. GC fails. I'm investigating this issue.

Re: [classlib][portlib] Docs?

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
yeah - someone generate, and we can hang them on the website. I'm not sure we'd want to check them in though... I've done this before for API docs... geir Alexey Petrenko wrote: Having these docs on website will be really good! SY, Alexey 2006/11/1, Paulex Yang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: If yo

Re: 235 tests are missed at DRLVM test run for Windows

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Anton Luht wrote: Alexei, 2. If I suggested an enhancement, this would be an addition of a test name filter for comparison results. I mean that if I'm interested in Bidi tests comparison, I put Bidi into form field (&name=Bidi) and see a comparison for the tests which names contain the specif

Re: [general] Motorola to develop ME under ALv2

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is about Motorola and their efforts in the ME ecosystem. The Apache style of open governance has shown itself to be very successful in creating good software, although there are other models that are successful as well (Eclipse Foundation, MySQL). So seeing

Re: [classlib]Harmony passes 100% testcases of Tomcat5.5

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Great! Does anything link to that page? IOW, if I started at the top, could I find the page using some reasonable path to get there? geir Leo Li wrote: Yes, I have posted it on http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Apache_Tomcat.:) On 11/1/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <

Re: [DRLVM][PORT] correct API to retrieve processor number

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Xiao-Feng Li wrote: Hi, I am using port_CPUs_number() for GCv5 to get the processor number, but my desktop returns one processor with it on Windows although my processor is dual-core. (port_CPUs_number is defined in port_sysinfo.h). I think we need more general form of processor number retriev

Re: [drlvm][iprof] Using Profiling Utility ("iprof")

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Is this tuff documented? Wanna throw it in the wiki or a patch for the site? Egor Pasko wrote: On the 0x214 day of Apache Harmony Mikhail Fursov wrote: + Some usage hints: 1. You can get any stylesheet editor (like Excel), open iprof data and build graphs from the colums - and you will have

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Nathan Beyer wrote: What's the concern about just using the prescribed branching pattern for SVN? There are some other nice tricks like "externals" for pulling in common files into the working copies of other branches (ala the '

Re: [drlvm] How to debug the drlvm with gdb?

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mikhail Fursov wrote: Thanks Rana! If you ask me what would I like, the answer is quite simple: as a windows developer primary (today) I would recommend to other windows developers to use msvc build (with patch from HARMONY-1990 ). With this pa

Re: [general] Motorola to develop ME under ALv2

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
This is about Motorola and their efforts in the ME ecosystem. The Apache style of open governance has shown itself to be very successful in creating good software, although there are other models that are successful as well (Eclipse Foundation, MySQL). So seeing Motorola embrace that, as well

Re: [classlib]Harmony passes 100% testcases of Tomcat5.5

2006-11-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Nice! Post it on the wiki? Leo Li wrote: Hi, all: Harmony now has been able to pass 100% testcases on Tomcat5.5. I ran them both on WindowsXP and Unbuntu, with J9 VM and drlvm. The detailed information about how to build and run tests have been put on http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Ap

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: IMO it's not ideal that the preprocessed source still contains all the streams, albeit in comments. It wouldn't make the source very 'consumable' to the Mrs. SE or ME developer. Hmmm... It's always possible to have a special output mode that puts em

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method)

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
to have logging in production code. The point here is to find a harmless way of letting people do it if they want to for classlib development ... geir -Nathan On 10/31/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: > > > On 10/31/06, *Geir Magnu

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Nathan Beyer wrote: On 10/31/06, Mark Hindess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 31 October 2006 at 7:24, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Alexei Zakharov wrote: > > Take me for example. I will be most likely misleaded with "build&quo

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
eeds. Exactly - we need use cases (and it's not clear that the logging problems have been resolved w/ aspects yet...) geir -Nathan On 10/31/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So we all agree that it's not an ideal solution. Can anyone think of anything else? No one said this was going to be easy... geir

Re: 235 tests are missed at DRLVM test run for Windows

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Fedotov, Alexei A wrote: 4. I vote for one of the following renamings: a) Rename ibm tag to j9 b) Rename drl tag to intel :-). That looks like a strange suggestion to me. I think the tags are fine as they are. What is you thinking? Indeed... DRL is Apache Ha

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: Right, but you (Mr Harmony developer) don't modify the 'processed code', you work in the 'code w/ preprocessor statements', so you probably want the code you are modifying to be real, compilable Java cod

Re: [admin] ICLA / ACQ (Was: [drlvm][sablevm] Desing of Class Unloading Support)

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ICLA should be faxed to the number on the document ASQ can be sent scanned Etienne Gagnon wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: However, it would be great if you had an ICLA and ACQ on file to save you the trouble of typing this in the future :) "Better living through paperwork!" OK

Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
good place for this doc [http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/documentation/documentation.html]. What do you say? If you do not mind, I can try to update the doc. Best regards, Svetlana -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:18

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: Yes, the main reason I love Java is a power of tools! If you force me to work in notepad instead of IDEA with the only reason that we need a preprocessor I will have a doubt if the solution is reasonable

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
x27;make' is a thing related to making/building process while 'build' is more ambiguous. Currently we have build system with many 'make/' dirs so it probably bettre to postpone the move to new name to some moment of restructuring the whole build system. I think today it'

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ke .class and .jar files, generated docs and etc. Regards, 2006/10/31, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Alexei Zakharov wrote: > Take me for example. I will be most likely misleaded with "build" > since the majority of projects I've seen in my life were using &q

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor - CHECKPOINT

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
So we all agree that it's not an ideal solution. Can anyone think of anything else? No one said this was going to be easy... geir

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mikhail Fursov wrote: On 10/31/06, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can have pointcuts on a whole number of events, including method invocations but also exception handling, field assignments and accesses, etc. But you can only add behavior, you cannot subtract from the original co

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: Yes, the main reason I love Java is a power of tools! If you force me to work in notepad instead of IDEA with the only reason that we need a preprocessor I will have a doubt if the solution is reasonable. Agreed. And that is a reason why it makes sens

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
;build". But "make" is logical too. "ant" or "ant.scripts" also sound not so bad. Why not to choose the less confusing name? (I believe you meant "make" or "make.") What projects? Java projects? With best regards, 2006/10/31, Geir M

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method)

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mikhail Fursov wrote: On 10/31/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: I guess that if we could get 5.0 complete, we'd could *then* branch for 6, but I don't think we'd want to serialize like that. I understand

Re: [doc][drlvm] new docs added - JIT compiler

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
oh, thankyou thankyou thankyou Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: Yeah! No problem, I was just thinking a zip would not look as transparent and safe. I'd turn the images from the other doc issue into an archive as well. Thank you, Nadya Morozova -Original Message- From: Geir Magnuss

Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Konovalova, Svetlana wrote: Nadya, AFAIU the given page is purely classlib-oriented...though I might be wrong here. It provides info on how to set up Eclipse to develop Java code in Harmony and IMHO doesn't include any tips applying to harmony code in general. I absolutely agree with you tha

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method)

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mikhail Fursov wrote: Geir, What are the reasons to exclude the most standard solution here: branching. Do you think we need a lot of them? Because I'm not sure how you can easily maintain fixes and general coherence across branches. Also, there are 3 use cases for pre-processor, and it s

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
& XML Engineering -Original Message----- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:28 PM To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [classlib] Preprocessor Tim Ellison wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: What are the reasons to exclude the most

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
sleading than "build" :) -Ilya On 10/31/06, Mark Hindess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 30 October 2006 at 18:38, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ilya Neverov wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I want to gather opinions about st

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mark Hindess wrote: On 30 October 2006 at 18:38, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ilya Neverov wrote: Hello, I want to gather opinions about structure of the "jdktools" component. I'm going to create scripts for moving tools' sources f

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Mikhail Fursov wrote: What are the reasons to exclude the most standard solution here: branching. Do you think we need a lot of them? I don't think we are excluding any option for maintaining similar code streams (5.0 & 6.0, SE & ME, etc.) it's just a discussion at the mom

Re: [drlvm][em] Value-profiling implementation is avaible.

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: can one of you JIT nerds describe for us non-JIT-nerds what value profiling is? :) Maybe calling people nerds was a disincentive ;-) I hope not - it's a compliment. :) Value profiling means watching the actual values of variabl

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method)

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Alexei Zakharov wrote: At the same time I don't feel completely comfortable with the idea of using preprocessor to separate J2SE sources from J2ME. I'm not overjoyed either, but I can't think of many ways that allow fairly cl

Re: [doc][drlvm] new docs added - JIT compiler

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
is there any chance you could put a zip of the images into the jira, rather than a dozen or so images? That's actually what turned me off from one of the other doc issues - I said to myself "oh, heck, I don't want to download each of those separate thingies... I just want a zip or tgz of them

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gregory Shimansky wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 02:27 Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: So I should either create a new 4th category for tests with custom build file, or extend one of the current categories which we have. The most close to what I need is probably smoke tests category. I need to

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gregory Shimansky wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 00:24 Fedotov, Alexei A wrote: Gregory wrote, I need is probably smoke tests category. I need to add building native code part and add a custom command line setting somewhere. +1 I believe you need one or two test with a good coverage t

Re: [general] creation of "jdktools"

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ts) to complete the task. I'm especially interested in completing the move to "jdktools" structure since there will be a home for the JDWP code, which has beed voted but still resides in JIRA. Working with SVN will be easier. Thanks. -Ilya On 10/4/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EM

Re: [classlib][luni] signalis interruptus in hysock

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
e should look for the real problem. I don't understand this - what do you see as the real problem? Interruption from select due to signals is a fact of life under linux. geir With best regards, Alexei Fedotov, Intel Java & XML Engineering -----Original Message- From: Geir Mag

Re: [drlvm][jvmti][testing] I want to add JVMTI tests to drlvm commit checks

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gregory Shimansky wrote: Hello JVMTI implementation is quite a big piece of drlvm code which doesn't have any tests that are ran regularly. This may create regressions in JVMTI implementation which won't be caught early. So I want to add several small tests for JVMTI which would cover most

Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
nderstood. geir Thanks, Sian On 30/10/06, *Geir Magnusson Jr.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Sian January wrote: > I'm actually not sure if that first page is up to date or not ( > http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/su

Re: [DRLVM][GC] parallel compaction and wasted virtual space

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Are IBM's and Sun's are know to work well for production loads? Xiao-Feng Li wrote: Weldon, the problem is, there is no well-established parallel compaction algorithms. So far the best known work are 1. SUN's work; 2. IBM's work and 3. Compressor. No one knows which one is the best for differen

Re: [drlvm][sablevm] Desing of Class Unloading Support

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Etienne Gagnon wrote: [SNIP] I hope this is useful to both projects [drlvm][sablevm] :-) This was really great - I need to go back and read it carefully. Thanks so much! Etienne (C) 2006 by Etienne M. Gagnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This text is licensed under the Apache License, Version

Re: [drlvm][em] Value-profiling implementation is avaible.

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
can one of you JIT nerds describe for us non-JIT-nerds what value profiling is? :) geir Yuri Kashnikoff wrote: Hi! I'am working on value-profiling implementation. Implementation in EM is alredy avaible. Now I'am trying to implement and use it in JIT. I can answer any questions about current

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: Etienne Gagnon wrote: Chris Gray wrote: For JavaME I think it's the only way we'd be able to maintain a single source tree. We need to be able to "#ifdef out" references to classes we don't have, methods we don't implement, etc.. That much being said, I don't have a recomm

Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method)

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
g; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [classlib] Preprocessor (was Re: [classlib][rmi] Code smell - >Thread.sleep() in ActivationGroup method) > >On 10/29/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> 1) The Logging Debate That Won't Die - we don't

Re: [general][snapshot] Windows installer

2006-10-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
cool! Tim Ellison wrote: I thought it would be fun to see what a Windows installer would look like for Harmony. So this morning, just for kicks, I was playing with NSIS (http://nsis.sourceforge.net/) and produced a prototype installer very easily (kudos to them). I'll put the source for it her

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