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rom: Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:27:52 -0500
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:58:07 -0400, J R wrote:
>>Oh, man. Any chance of getting th
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Subject: Re: Friday musings on the future of 3270 applications
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:50:48 -0400 J R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>Binyamin Dissen:
:>>:>>There was/is also something called TSSO
:>>:>last time I used TSSO, TPUT
And, at the risk of once more violating O'Brien's Law, I suspect I was right
that it was the asynchronous responses from the HSM address space that was
the real problem.
From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Binyamin Dissen:
:>>There was/is also something called TSSO
:>last time I used TSSO, TPUT output went to the console
TPUT went to the console? I would be surprised.
Perhaps you meant PUTLINE?
About twenty years ago, there was also something called ConsoleMaster, but I
don't see it arou
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400
Rather than 'suspect', why don't we wait for Daniel to supply the requested
information.
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Subject: Re: SYSTERM to DSN
I suspe
I suspect that the immediate command responses are not
the ones at issue. There are also the asynchronous ones
emanating from the HSM address space. In this case, the
solution proposed by Lizette may be a better approach.
From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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DASDBill:
with, like, my 8- and 11-year-old grandsons who are currently, like,
visiting
Since it's Friday, why do "we" tend to list our kids by ascending age?
After
all, unlike the chicken and the egg, we *do* know which came first. I
always
list mine by descending age.
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Chris Mason:
... abort the product
Freudian slip?
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Subject: Re: What is 'Program Logical Manuals'?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:50:50 +0200
Johnny
Since you are something of a "Johnny come
Paul Gilmartin said:
the initiator
was able to allocate it again in STEP2. I hope this was
not done without an ENQ.
Right, but maybe the intervening de-allocate was done without a DEQ.
Besides, the message "IKJ56247I FILE SYSUT1 NOT FREED, IS NOT ALLOCATED" may
not come to pass the way you t
Peter Farley said:
SYSTMEG Time, Execute, GMT SYSTMEL Time, Execute, Local GMT's
could be suffixed "U" for "Universal" or "Z" for "Zulu" instead of
"G", I don't really care as long as the functionality is the same.
Despite being an aviator, I like "G" more than "Z" in this context
"LOCATE" the dataset
"OBTAIN" the DSCB
Examine DS1LSTAR
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:36:37 -0500
I read it more that the dataset may have been allocated but n
Rick Fochtman said:
Ken, the physical BLKSIZE of the directory is 255, plus a 8-byte physical
key.
I think you'll find that's 256.
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This is driven by the results of catalog LOCATE. The generations
of the GDG are returned by a single LOCATE for the GDG base.
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That's the way I would expect it to work ...
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:17:18 -0400
Lizette,
Wouldn't an Iefbr14 against the base
Surprising comments coming from someone who has spent years in the
area of performance.
Mark,
Shirley you've come across people like Ted before? I'm surrounded by
them. Things are only problems if they perceive them first. It's both
frustrating and amusing when, a week or so later, they "disc
I can see it from Toronto!
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Subject: Re: Interesting PDF doing the rounds
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:30:25 +
>It's visible from Chicago
Not from Toronto!
-
Too busy driving to stop f
Does it delete the dataset if the job abends? Or does it delete the
updates made to the dataset when the job abends.
It's *dataset* disposition. There is no parameter to discard just your
updates.
Also, there are two dataset disposition fields -- normal and abnormal.
The one that you specif
Edward Jaffe said:
Thankfully! This deferral is usually very short lived.
But isn't that the problem here? DSLIST data is
obtained via superlocate, which has the potential
of retrieving enormous amounts of data from
multiple catalogs in a single invocation of SVC26.
From: Edward Jaffe <[EMAI
From: Tom Marchant
What's wrong with the ABEND macro?
ABEND macro requires setup, changes registers, etc.
If it's a true "this *should* never happen" scenario,
a S0C3 (or similar) abend preserves registers, etc.
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From: Chris Mason I seem to remember SPOOL meant "Simultaneous Peripheral
Operations On Line"
I think we all acknowledge that SPOOL was contrived
to mean "Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On Line".
The doubt expressed within this thread relates to whether
anyone ever really thought of it as an
Was SPOOL *ever* an acronym?
Evidently, you and Ted were the only ones not to see the rhetorical nature
of that question.
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Subject: Re: Decimal FP (was: vendor JCL)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006
I don't see what all the fuss is about. I just know that My Way is better
than Everyone Else's Way.
Hmm! But you probably think that z/VM is better than z/OS as well?
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Just refer to him as "Feel Pain". :-)
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Phil Payne wrote:
I've been grumbled at for my recent ad hominem directed at Schmuel. On
I think *has* reflects the singular subject "box".
It shouldn't reflect the plural object "200 MIPS".
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:22:02 -0400
FORMAT=PD?
From: "Imbriale, Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Absolute value packed decimal in SyncSort
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:04:16 -0500
I'm stumped. I've read and searched everything I can, but no luck.
Using SyncSort, I w
You can determine that by looking at the CSCB (CHTRKID).
Or check for ASCBTSB non-zero.
If you want to look at the description of the TSB, look at IKJTSB (which is
in SYS1.MACLIB).
If want to look at it via a program, you're going to have to do some
cross-address processing, e.g. SRB.
Actua
Not really, but you CAN get by without ISPF (even though it would be
difficult).
We tend to refer to the parts we deal intimately with by name,
e.g. TSO, ISPF, HLASM, VTAM, TCP/IP, JES2, SDSF, etc., etc.
Unless we are looking at some component in particular, we tend
to refer to everything else n
This implies that any command thrown at it be it MVC or OI, is handled by
the Operating system.
Shirley, you can't be serious!
I'm not familiar with the MVC and OI commands, but if you're
referring to the MVC and OI instructions, these are handled
directly by the CPU. [1]
[1] other than for r
From: Johnny Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ok, ADCD 1.4 is old and maybe is lack of maintenance so its PL/I compiler
is 'buggy'. But how about the compiler of my friend's site? It's the newer
version and is under normal maintenance( built on 20051017) .
I doubt that IBM would accept your character
ACF2 also does (or did) this I think (I'm not sure). It may have gone away
when it went to the SAF interface as opposed to ZAPing SVCs.
This is one of the very few justifiable uses of system abend codes by
non-IBM code. If you are replacing SVCs 130-133, it makes perfect sense to
use x82, x83
TCBUSER did serve its purpose in the day, but I can remember a time a
conflict occurred in three different products that my then-employer sold.
Almost twenty years ago I was a partner in an ISV. We had three main
products, all of which made use of their own SVC and subsystem.
(This came about b
You probably mean the fact that the "code type" parameter of the
ABEND macro detemines whether it will be seen as a user or a
system abend, right?
No. My quibble was with your characterization of system vs. user
as service routine vs. programmer.
Usually, Sxxx abends are for system code, user
Any program that returns to the operating system by branching
to the address it was told when it initially got control is
assumed to have completed successfully.
SVC 3 = normal completion
SVC 13 = abnormal completion
If sss in nonzero, it was abended by a service routine and
sss is the hexadec
Steve Myers said:
utilities generally verify read access through SAF, and
do a data ENQ on the data set name, but they do not
actually process the data set through OPEN. While it is dangerous ...
Dangerous? (*) Sensitive to OS changes, maybe, but as long as
*all* the necessary precautions are
In http://groups.google.ca/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/
if you use the "Search this group" feature, you can then
click on "Sort by date" and you will get what you want.
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Double click on the zip file that you downloaded.
Double click on setup.exe to install XMITmanager.
Double click on any .xmi file (i.e. a XMIT dataset that you have downloaded
to your PC).
Things should be intuitive from there on.
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I do the opposite; my phone works everywhere I need or want to go. Since
roaming fees are ridiculously expensive, if I'm going somewhere for long
enough, I buy the cheapest SIM card when I get there.
I currently use a Canadian SIM and have a UK one in my wallet.
From: Phil Payne <[EMAIL PRO
Well, something has changed. Although they appear to be identical, when I
first downloaded A2278324 it was less than 12M in size. The one I
downloaded this morning is more than 14M.
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Su
problem with the interruptible power supplies
I gotta get me one of those IPS. Much more fun than UPS.
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Subject: Finger trouble brings down NHS
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:52:07 +0200
Well, a
: Mainframe Limericks...
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:36:59 -0700
J R wrote:
I apologize if I offended any person for whom English
is not their first language. It was certainly not my
intention to do that.
My beef is with the nouveau-mainframers who insist
on using wintel and unix terminology in place of
English now belongs to everybody and is all the better for universal
ownership.
There's no doubt that English has been enriched through global ownership.
However, not only spelling differences but also ambiguity is a pain in the
fanny.
q.v. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/fanny
From: Skip Rob
I apologize if I offended any person for whom English
is not their first language. It was certainly not my
intention to do that.
My beef is with the nouveau-mainframers who insist
on using wintel and unix terminology in place of our
well-established vernacular.
From: "Liliane L. Clever" <[EMA
ting jcls"
which really goes against the grain.
(BTW, I knew my limerick wasn't very good
but it was the best I could come up with.)
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There once was a person named Rishi,
Who posted a message most fishy.
For pluralizing JCL,
He should rot in hell,
Though, now commonplace, it's cliche.
Real mainframers don't pluralize JCL!
_
Express yourself instantly with MSN Mess
It's a long, long time since I've used it but take a look at the TRKCALC
macro.
It's well documented within SYS1.MACLIB(TRKCALC).
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Judicious use of S99TIONQ?
Maybe use S99CNENQ first?
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Subject: Re: SSI experience
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:09:46 -0500
Ed,
My tests indicate that DYNALLOC is in fact colliding on SYSZTIOT w
I'm pretty sure that Binyamin meant exactly what he wrote.
Firstly, he suggested that, if there were such things,
"standard" exits might emulate default, i.e. non-exit,
behavior.
Secondly, he went on to describe what exits are normally
used for, i.e. anything but default behavior.
From: Frank
The problem here is one of imprecise communication.
IEFBR14 does not create datasets.
IEFBR14 does not allocate datasets.
IEFBR14 does not initialize datasets.
I suspect we all knew what the gist of the vendor's
recommendation was but, as written in the OP's post,
one had to wonder.
"What we h
The "Fine Manual" is
SA22-7597-08 z/OS MVS JCL Reference.
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:11:05 +
Hi jayare,
What is FM? A SyncSort
The FM says, "Use the EXPDT parameter to specify the expiration date for a
*new* data set."
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:00:38 -0500
Hi,
Yes, I read that too. But it didn't answer my question
because it doesn't say when the object deck is written.
My question was not as to *where* in the deck the PUNCH
output appears but *when* the deck, PUNCH output and all,
is written.
In any event, as pointed out by Bill Lalonde and Shmuel Met
Thanks, Bill, I'd forgotten about /*DEL.
Regarding point #2, I think that PUNCH statements are processed as they are
encountered. However, one could punch a /*DEL card which should terminate
the job which would have been submitted IIRC.
Bill
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Subject: Re: submit job from SYSPUNCH
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:15:33 +
J R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> Why don't you have SYSPUNCH SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)?
Because it's a good idea to check the assembly completion code to
ensure that the generat
Why don't you have SYSPUNCH SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR)?
Because it's a good idea to check the assembly completion code
to ensure that the generated JCL is good. That way you can avoid
submitting partially and/or incorrectly built jobs to the internal reader.
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Rep
Maybe they could assign a group of college co-op students to the task?
Careful! According to legend, that's the kind of thing that begat IEHMOVE.
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Date: Thu, 4 M
In many countries, it's also offensive to equate "dumb" with "lacking in
intelligence".
It's ironic that, because of the widespread use of this interpretation, many
people who cannot speak prefer to be called "mute" or "speechless".
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What sort of subsystem was involved (JES or something else)? Did you get
more messages (probably in the SYSMSGS)?
From recent postings, I got the impression that Victor was writing his own
subsystem.
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You could code multiple DCBs and that's why I suggested doing
a DYNALLOC Info Retrieval *before* OPEN in a previous post.
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Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Date: Tu
The DCB has different layouts for different DSORGs;
hence the reason that it is required. If you clear
the DSORG before OPEN, there may not be sufficient
information for OPEN to work with. (I didn't try this.)
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"Code DINRTORG to request the return of the data set organization (DSORG) of
the specified resource."
"Code DINRTMEM to request the return of the member name associated with the
specified allocation."
By getting this information *before* OPEN you should be able to set up your
DCB appropriate
t note, J R said:
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:54 -0400
>
> Your inclinations assume that:
> (a) DCBDSORG will change during OPEN, and
>
> I don't believe (a) ever happens.
>
I certainly did assume that. Have I misunderstood the
following:
Title: z/
Your inclinations assume that:
(a) DCBDSORG will change during OPEN, and
(b) the data will appear in his program without an error.
I don't believe (a) ever happens.
I think he already has the error before he sees the data.
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Use DYNALLOC Information Retrieval for the DSORG.
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Subject: Re: Reading Variable record with bad BDW/RDW?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:18:39 -0400
Hi John,
Yeah... I know the directory
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOD Clock the
same as the BIOS clock in PCs?
Date: Date: Mon, Apr 24 2006 4:36 am
which was probably brought to you by the same people who have a bizarre
collating sequence where zero follows 9 (see your local keyboard or
telephone keypad for examples)
Ha! The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Back in the very early '70s at IBM, I did some performance
work using an SMI (System Measurement Instrument?).
There were rumored to be only two in all of the UK, and we
were using both at the time.
Those of us entrusted with the beast we
APPC Transaction?
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Subject: Need help with msg IEE114I
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:09:30 -0500
When a D J,L command is issued, the response is message IEE114I, showing a
list of jobs and S
On 2006-02-24 09:41, "howard.braazee" said:
Except that if someone enters 00:01AM, while it might not be technically
correct, it is unambiguous.
Are you saying that, in your programs, you check for and allow 00:01AM?
It would be nice to be correct. It is more important to be clear &
unambig
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