On 10 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A short trip to ICANN's website clears it up.
>
> http://www.icann.org/mdr2001/
>
> Under "Sponsorship Opportunities", they emphasize the words "commercial
>materials" in their request for a $5k fee. Political materials would certainly be
>permissible.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Dan Steinberg wrote:
> FYI, there's been a solution to the chicken and egg problem for years.
> The ethiopians have a dish, they put both chicken and the egg (hard
> boiled) in same pot together.
> It's called Doro Wat, recipe available at:
> http://www.berko.demon.co.uk/reci
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Ellen Rony wrote:
> If there were killer content that is only available in the
> other-than-IANA-root, then people would quietly (or not) begin
> reconfiguring their computers to view it.
It's a chicken and egg problem...
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Einar Stefferud wrote:
> In my view, ICANN is no longer worthy of further attention,
> as their deliberate intention is to disenfranchise all of us.
>
> We need to find our own solution to the new TLD problem, and the
> cooperative maintenance of the Virtual Inclusive Root.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> I went ahead and designed and commissioned the Polling Booth. I make its
> use available for free. If it is going to be open source, I would like to
> be paid what it is worth.
Then it's not really open source
On Fri, 19 May 2000, Michael Sondow wrote:
> Since when is the IETF in the business of doing NSI's publicity?
Individuals and organizations are free to submit a proposal for an RFC,
yourself included(assuming you had something meaningfully technical to
say.) Other than possible ignorance of the
radns.com.
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ave no incentive to change the way
> things are run. It's something that an organization like ICANN, but
> well directed instead of making the situation worse, ought to be
> able to do.
You were hoping for an even stronger ICANN? Be careful what you ask for.
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RIN advisory council and are also board members of the ISP/C.
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Earth is a single point of failure.
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he Internet was never "very free." Someone was at all times paying for
it, it just generally wasn't the end users.
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Earth is a single point of failure.
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7;t hold your breath.
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Earth is a single point of failure.
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http://news.cnet.com/news/1,1,0-1005-200-1474021.html
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r ICANN no such choice is allowed.
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uot;
The press seems to get it, I wonder when the ICANN board is going to fess
up...
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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> At 03:02 PM 11/20/99 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> >On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Richard J. Sexton (At work) wrote:
> >
> >> Doesn't matter. At least we have COMPETITION in the domain registration
> >> busine
is a small price to pay.
How is this any different from when NSI ran things exclusively?
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Richard.
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Earth is a single point of failure.
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ng spamming 100,000 people, especially
technically-clued ones as many of those administrators are.
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"This is our time. It will not come again."
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those servers. They do so as
a service to the Internet community.
Perhaps you could tell us who exactly runs the various root servers and in
what fashion they "sponsor" Vixie since you make the claim that they are
doing so.
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27;s dotted and t's crossed legal explanation and basis for the exertion of
such control.
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eemed 'unconscionable' and therefore, unenforceable, in
some state courts, particularly if the clause requires one party to
arbitrate and allows the other to retain the right to sue."
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On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> >Account mailbox is full. No new email accepted.
>
> Aren't these the guys who sell the free domain names?
No. Free Internet service.
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Esther only practiced what she preached...
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success whatsoever is that
ICANN has a convienent and willing "villian" in NSI, whose own ineptitude
and ignorance of the Internet community has made it a convincing excuse
for any action ICANN might take.
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Patrick Greenwell
"This is our time. It will not come again."
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I do notice that your message didn't use the magic buzzword "consensus" in
it once. You're slipping...
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s from now(assuming ICANN is still in business and
isn't under a court order from some jurisdiction impeding them) and
say "I told you so."
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representative of the governments of the world?
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a privacy issue but
> a matter of keeping an accurate public record. It is appropriate to
> request similar information of those who participate remotely.
It does beg the question: "What does one do in the case of the 'Jeff
Williams' of the world?"
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some.
And to that I say: Evolve or die. :-)
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esent.
Those physically present can stand in line for a mike and say whatever it
is they wish to say. Those not physically present are *filtered* through
the staff.
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n esther dyson - why is that.
Because Esther is the only one anyone ever sees on these mailing lists.
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other character strings
above.
I'd also love to hear your definition of "cybersquatter."
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eone
"cybersquat" on a common name?
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ctive
Week and others for quite some time.
While I disagree with him on this particular issue, I would hardly
characterize him as an "ignorant fool."
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e not
physically present.
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a Congressperson in order to receive an answer?
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ou and make them
want to hear more.
Awaiting the inevitable nastiness... :-)
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"This is our time. It will not come again."
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#x27; fee.
It is not often that taxes are adjusted downwards
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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I think the list owner has been far too giving of
> > his time in
> > forwarding posts from non-members to the list.
> >
> > If one wishes to post t
, I think the list owner has been far too giving of his time in
forwarding posts from non-members to the list.
If one wishes to post to the list, then one should be a member.
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kidding aside, Tony raises an extremely valid point: Where is all this
"consensus" that ICANN claims?
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"This is our time. It will not come again."
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On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, William X. Walsh wrote:
> Monday, July 19, 1999, 7:25:21 PM, Patrick Greenwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Bill Lovell wrote:
> >> Wow! Sounds like [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there consensus here?
> >> HAHAHAH
s willing to voluntarily accept the rules derived from the
> ICANN root (and possibly the ICANN TLDs). Everyone and everything else
> would be exempt.
And given the choice, how many people do you think would
"volunteer"? :-)
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andate,we
wouldn't be having this conversation. :-)
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ICANN is a creature of self-governance.
I'd sooner rot in hell than help enable this charade.
Perhaps someone from AOL or IBM is available?
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > When you consider that one of the primary purposes
> > of this *interim* board was to establish an electorate,
> > and hold formal elections to elect the first official
> > *initial* board, your comments simply don't add up.
>
> The Commerce De
ment. Please, don't attempt to use lack of funding as an
excuse. At *best* it is disingenous.
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ement of gTLDs. It troubles me further that you also control
> > the subscription processes surrounding this WG, which you've broken into
> > 4 seperate lists.
> >
> > What, exactly, is going on here?
Business as usual.
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P.S. I am maintaining links to recent news & information at:
http://stealthgeeks.net/background.html.
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On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Michael Sondow wrote:
> Patrick Greenwell a écrit:
> >
> > But I prefer to maintain accuracy when I make assertions.
>
> I see. So you are the arbiter of the truth. Well, I didn't know
> that. I humbly beg your pardon, Lord Greenwell.
Michae
On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Michael Sondow wrote:
> Patrick Greenwell a écrit:
> >
> > Doubtlessly you'll scream at me for not agreeing with your assesment.
>
> I sceram at no one. But are you content, then, that the NC is in the
> hands of CORE (and ISOC)?
Not rea
pture by a single organzation.
Hi Richard,
I am not disagreeing with you. All I am saying is that Michael's assesment
that five "officers" of CORE hold seats within the NC is incorrect.
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ding documents)
welcome of course.
Doubtlessly you'll scream at me for not agreeing with your assesment.
*shrug*
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here.
Please review the letter I wrote to Ralph Nader/James Love which is
available at http://stealthgeeks.net/nader.html. I was very careful to
avoid including violations that were subject to a lot of interpretation.
If I had, it would have been a much larger document indeed.
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rnment," I believe the viewpoint is fairly simple: "We don't want an
Internet government. However, as that seems to be what is occuring, it
better be done properly." It hasn't, it isn't and it isn't going to be.
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y, or at least the rights towards the domain name if
> not the name itself, could be considered a form of property right.
And the judges in the court cases I have heard of on the subject would
seem to agree with that interpretation.
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On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Craig McTaggart wrote:
> I've held back on all of the other ridiculous claims in this thread but this
> is the one that always gets me going.
>
> Some clarifications about private property and identifiers.
>
> You do not own your domain name.
There is now case law on the b
ect information:
a.root-servers.net
c.root-servers.net
f.root-servers.net
j.gtld-servers.net
Currently I can't reach "f.gtld-servers.net" to get an answer.
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y unelected and unrepresentative ICANN board? The
currently unelected and unrepresentative provisional Names Council?
The results, likewise will be horribly flawed.
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a
regular employee?
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ister
without prepaying via WorldNIC, yet force all other registrars to pay for
any registrations through them, paid or not?
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berts likes to refer to ICANN detractors
might actually have a say as to who they most feel comfortable having
represent "the little guy." This could result in ICANN actually having
some legitimacy among the serfs.
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ons.
The Gods help us all then.
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ented.
In case anyone else hasn't done so, please let me be one of those that
says thank you for all the hard work the Berkman Center and yourself have
put into making this information available.
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locked and my mail is being rejected.
Must be that ICANN brand of openness and transparency in action that I've
been hearing so much about. ;-)
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efuse to comprehend what people write
isn't very interesting Kent. It is tiresome, and reminds me that I should
just refrain from any sort of dialogue with you.
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onent of NewCo, however there was indeed no agreement on it trumping
all other forms of representation.
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serve.
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with an open room.
Wonderful to hear Esther. So, where is the GAC meeting? I am sure there
will be a great number of people interested in this constituency.
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ongs. What would you call that:
> ICANN???
Apples and oranges.
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e fog from my poor, befuddled mind.
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On Thu, 13 May 1999, Kent Crispin wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 06:32:31PM -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> >
> > Legislators know how to put laws on the books. They have little experience
> > in taking them off.
>
> We are not talking about legislators. This
at it be
> modifiable with changing conditions.
Legislators know how to put laws on the books. They have little experience
in taking them off.
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I
Oh those pesky bylaws? They'll just vote to change them
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Thank you.
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And Jay asked:
> >What legal delegation?
> >What changes in policy for registrations?
> >What Infrastructure Trust Fund?
> >(Is that the $50 million U.S. collected fund?)
> >What litigation?
Could you please address those questions?
Thank you.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Bill Lovell wrote:
> All this IFWP talk has been cheap enough, but where has it
> got anyone?
Where do I send a check?
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Patrick GreenwellTelocity
that already looks like an organization.
Perhaps we need to create a constituency involved in the creation of
constituencies.
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us as a testbed registrar, when to the best of my
knowledge, AOL doesn't even offer domain name registration for its
customers. (corrections welcome).
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oesn't sound like the fostering of competition.
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The following is(was?) sent to all the post-testbed accredited registrars.
It raises some extremely valid concerns regarding the very unfair
pricing enviroment that is currently in effect
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Congratulations on being accredited!
I am sending to you and th
sun" model will die a horrible
death.
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whois query..
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Many of you were upset about the redirection of internic.net to
www.networksolutions.com.
So was I.
Rather than just scream about it, which is great for getting all that
pent-up frustration out but doesn't really address the issue, I decided
to try to find a solution.
Here's what I came up w
gether in Switzerland, which he paid for.
If you have any further questions, I would be happy to answer them.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote:
> Not at all. Just thought the list might
> want to know.
>
> We can still afford to take you dinner
> again Patrick :^)
Great, I look forward to it. :-)
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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clough, Christopher wrote:
> Ivan,
>
> In the interest of full disclosure to the Internet
> community are you willing to disclose your
> repeated failed attempts to sell your company to
> Network Solutions?
Ooh, this is great. You sound a bit agitated Chris. Losing lots
you for the report. Most enlightening.
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Hmmm... Wonder if I should put something up on INEG.COM offering to sell a
product called "BindPlus"? ;-)
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and no website?
Rght
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l appear blank.
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ain control
of it?
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make it sound so sordid. I promise to be on my best
behaviour.
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On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote:
> New York Times - Friday Jan 22, page C4
>
> Lottery May Decide Competition in Internet Name System
Isn't gambling illegal in a lot of places? For example I don't think
Muslim law is too keen on it
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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, William X. Walsh wrote:
> I am currently working on a set of terms of services and service agreements and
> am adding language into it that lets the users know they are subject to
> receiving such emails from us, and basically if they don't like it, don't do
> business with u
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, jeff Williams wrote:
> > Where can we pull the source code for review?
>
> Source code is not readily available as it is in a paten process.
> However we could make some arrangements. I would suggest
> offhand, that you use srinkwraped stuff. Failing that and source
> co
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Michael Sondow wrote:
> Which is where the January 21 & 22 meetings in Washington come in. That's
> where support for WIPO's new rules will be fixed, probably on the 21st, with
> the re-written DNSO proposal, including WIPO's draconian DN constraints
> (two-month wait between
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,30939,00.html
Interesting, WIPO seems to think that this is a done deal from the way
they are talking...
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