Re: (313) Movies Filmed in Detroit

2000-04-14 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Gridlock'd. 

That movie with Tim Roth and Tupac where they're junkies trying to get
clean was filmed entirely in Detroit.  I can't think of the name right
now. I've probably repressed it since watching it was truly a waste of two
hours of my life.


Re: (313) artifacts

2000-04-14 Thread Cyclone Wehner
No, there is no track by that name. There is a track listing on the All
Music Guide site, I think.

Cheers

C

can some one give me the track listing for plastikman's artifacts
lp please

is 'Afrika' on it?


Re: (313) artifacts

2000-04-14 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Sorry, I didn't see the 'lp'.

No, there is no track by that name. There is a track listing on the All
Music Guide site, I think.

Cheers

C

can some one give me the track listing for plastikman's artifacts
lp please

is 'Afrika' on it?


Re: (313) Vinyl

2000-04-14 Thread Matthew L. Thompson
I don't know about that... I've never played any vinyl (save maybe 3 or 4 of
them) to the point where I considered them worn out.  One thing I have
heard is that picture discs don't have the same sound quality as
traditional black vinyl, but that's just something I've heard... I've never
gone out of the way to spend the extra $$$ for a picture disc.  As far as my
ears can tell, the sound quality for colored vinyl is as good as black vinyl
and I've never seen anything to prove that it wears faster.  I say buy
without worry :)

Matt
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com

 Seeing that you might be a bit more knowledgeable about this, can you tell
me
 what differences may be between coloured and plain black vinyl .I heard
from
 someone that coloured vinyl doesn't last as long (wears quicker).

 Thanks,

 A_Zed




intermedia

2000-04-14 Thread Won Lee
anyone have info about intermedia at U of Chicago?


Ms. Kittin The Hacker Gear

2000-04-14 Thread InFOrmer
   Does anyone know what gear the Hacker uses? I'm talking about those
creamy PWM strings and nice dry drum beats. Someone said that it's a tr-505
but I really dont think so.


   -1nFOrm3r
--
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exclusive Ectomorph site.
http://www.inform3r.com




Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D

2000-04-14 Thread Phonopsia
They show this on Bravo from time to time. Saw it too. Good flick. Don't
know the name. HTe name is distictly blue collar.

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there's also that film from around 96,were the 2 jazz guys are trying to
get into rehab etc(can't rmmbr the name)

The best one i've ever seen,that realy made me understand where
guys like Alan,Mike,Lester etc are comin from,was a flick i once saw
late night on tv,it had a very young Harvey Keitel(i think it was from
around 73) the story was,about 4 friends working for one of the large
auto manufacturrs,deciding to rob the unions safe box,and finding
a notebook with all union illigal loans activity,after this they are being
chased,killed etc,the black guy does a speach about how he never
had a chance etc(realy movin-you got to see this)
Realy atmospheric,and amust see for anybody who likes the music
or for the coke snif scene too,must be one of the first on film(years
b4 Scareface)
now who knows the name of this (btw they show that seven sisters
in one scene,the ones that were shown being put down, on a site
 sombody once posted here) so it's no doubt it was filmed in the D


e,r





In a message dated 4/13/00 2:30:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 in dan sicko's book he mentions that robocop was one of many films
which
were set in detroit but not filmed in the city. what films were actually
filmed in the city?

blair 

There was this made-for-cable movie with Bonnie Bedelia (Bruce Willis'
wife
in the Die Hard flicks) about five years ago that was actually filmed on
location here. The old Hudson's building (RIP) and Old County Building
were
used (Bedelia's character was a judge).

Parts of Out of Sight (Clooney and Lopez) were filmed here, not just
exteriors.

Exteriors and establishing shots for the now-defunct CBS TV series EZ
Streets (Ken Olin) were filmed here.

The opening sequence of Beverly Hills Cop was shot here, the bit that
ran
under the credits. None of the actual narrative, though.

Polish Wedding (Liam Neeson and Claire Danes) was actually filmed in
Hamtramck.

I didn't see Grosse Pointe Blank but I heard most of it was filmed here.

Ice Cube's character in Three Kings was a Detroiter.

Weren't parts of True Romance (Christian Slater, Dennis Hopper) actually
filmed on location here ? I doubt it. I know the story takes place here
though.

I'd bet that the insurance companies that cover film shoots are scared
shitless to come here and do films. Even cats like Sam Raimi (A Simple
Plan) who's from here, never come back to shoot films.

Also, they tear shit down like nothing in this city. The Temptations TV
biopic was actually shot in Pittsburgh because 1960s Detroit doesn't exist
anymore, either demolished or bombed-out ghetto or a freeway. There was a
big
fuss in the local press over it. They actually rebuilt Hitsville USA in
Pittsburgh ! It was pretty accurate though, down to the funeral home next
door. In contrast, the old Crime Story TV series, set in 1963 Chicago,
was
filmed on location there, and still looked like the 60s.

My friend was in from LA shooting a low-budget movie here back in 1998,
but
they ran out of money.

a.
watches too many movies.

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Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D

2000-04-14 Thread Phonopsia
Roger  Me is filmed in Flint and Detroit. But a documentary...

The new John Frankenheimer film, Reindeer Games is set in the upper
peninsula of Michigan. Don't know where it was filmed...

There was a gangsta/mafia flick with Nicholas Cage and Michael Rappaport
(Dick Richey) that came out two or three years ago - really sucked. This was
set in Detroit.

Was The Equalizer set in New York or Detroit? I can't remember. Probably
wasn't filmed there at any rate.

Can't forget the Beverly Hills Cop series... Not sure if these were filmed
in Detroit.

An addendum: almost everything is filmed off site. Northern Exposure was
shot in Washington, not Alaska, most of the X-Files were filmed in
Vancouver. Most American movies and television are filmed in Hollywood,
except for establishing shots. This doesn't include Scorcese and Woody Allen
(and a few others).

One thing I've noticed: Detroit seems to be a lot less prominent in the
American national media in the 90s than it was in the 80s. Probably because
decline is more newsworthy than reconstruction??? Don't really know enough
about it to say, and I don't pay enough attention to the news anyway, so
this may be completely off base.

Regardless, filmmakers always seem to have a distinct purpose in mind when
shooting/setting a film in Detroit. There is a distinct mood associated with
Detroit in the American consciousness.

My filmic $.02

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In a message dated 4/13/00 2:30:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 in dan sicko's book he mentions that robocop was one of many films which
were set in detroit but not filmed in the city. what films were actually
filmed in the city?

blair 

There was this made-for-cable movie with Bonnie Bedelia (Bruce Willis' wife
in the Die Hard flicks) about five years ago that was actually filmed on
location here. The old Hudson's building (RIP) and Old County Building were
used (Bedelia's character was a judge).

Parts of Out of Sight (Clooney and Lopez) were filmed here, not just
exteriors.

Exteriors and establishing shots for the now-defunct CBS TV series EZ
Streets (Ken Olin) were filmed here.

The opening sequence of Beverly Hills Cop was shot here, the bit that ran
under the credits. None of the actual narrative, though.

Polish Wedding (Liam Neeson and Claire Danes) was actually filmed in
Hamtramck.

I didn't see Grosse Pointe Blank but I heard most of it was filmed here.

Ice Cube's character in Three Kings was a Detroiter.

Weren't parts of True Romance (Christian Slater, Dennis Hopper) actually
filmed on location here ? I doubt it. I know the story takes place here
though.

I'd bet that the insurance companies that cover film shoots are scared
shitless to come here and do films. Even cats like Sam Raimi (A Simple
Plan) who's from here, never come back to shoot films.

Also, they tear shit down like nothing in this city. The Temptations TV
biopic was actually shot in Pittsburgh because 1960s Detroit doesn't exist
anymore, either demolished or bombed-out ghetto or a freeway. There was a
big
fuss in the local press over it. They actually rebuilt Hitsville USA in
Pittsburgh ! It was pretty accurate though, down to the funeral home next
door. In contrast, the old Crime Story TV series, set in 1963 Chicago,
was
filmed on location there, and still looked like the 60s.

My friend was in from LA shooting a low-budget movie here back in 1998, but
they ran out of money.

a.
watches too many movies.

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the old and the new

2000-04-14 Thread elektroshock

the old

http://www.elektroshock.com/interior/audio.html
http://www.elektroshock.com/rc01/index.html
http://www.elektroshock.com/sire/music/
http://www.elektroshock.com/sire/features/

the new

i have a few sets to upload over the weekend including
puff [perth] techno
mrw [perth] techno
joel mull [sweeden] techno
chris gray - live 2hr dj set [chicago] deep house
emma love [perth] techno
sire [melbourne] 1 techno and 1 electro
joost [brussels] electro
selekt - 99 dmc champ [perth] hip hop

the interface of elektroshock is changing and we are also looking for new
sets...the more interesting the set the more likely i will put it up :) so
get mixing!

if anyone in melbourne has a mix for me i will be playing electro monday
night at the blue bar with selekt so drop in

peace
sire


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Re: (313) To boldly go... info request

2000-04-14 Thread stephen
Didn't Kenny Larkin sample Star Tek in one of his records?

Tom Robbins wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've been approached by the editor of Star Trek Monthly to write an article
 on musicians who have been influenced/inspired by (or whom are just plain
 into) Star Trek.

 I wondered if anyone on the list can think of any? I know lots of
 technoheads are into Trek, so tech-related suggestions would be cool, but
 I'm looking for musicians from all other genres too.

 Particularly useful would be tips on specific releases, lyrics, samples or
 songs etc. Also, if there are any Trekkies on the list who can point me
 towards good Trek sites or mailing lists/newsgroups, I'd be very grateful.

 Er, live long and prosper...

 Thanks in advance,
 Tom Magic Feet

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Re: (313) new records

2000-04-14 Thread stephen
Dave Clark wrote:

 Users and Gadgets
 Excellent compilation of somewhat more abstract techy housey
 whatever.  Mostly german but i did notice an old plug research 'on
 the avenue' on there. Deep and fantastic.

my fav is innervision - cruising speed, nice 808 rhythm composing by
B.Maus, nothing sounds like a real 808.

 Peter SpieB - Klang
 Oh yeah, some more german stuff. Did i hear someone say that
 Peter SpeiB and peter ford are one and the same? Or is that just a
 figment of my imagination.

must be your friggn' imagination.
he has a web site http://www.peter-spiess.de/


 Btw who has checked out sven vath's new record? It's not trance

I've been tempted.

stephen.




(313) Re: achive etc

2000-04-14 Thread Viti Davide

Hi,
since you guys have been talkin about the Archive label in the last few 
days I thought I could say it again:

we set up a page on the Italian label in the Spotlight section at
htpp://gpww.iscool.net

I think the only English store you've not mentioned in the discussion is 
Vinyl Junkies; anyway on the page you'll find the details for the 
distributors as well.

Hope this helps,
take care

d



Re: (313) Vinyl

2000-04-14 Thread jim proffit
I think it depends where the records are pressed. Some plants make picture 
discs that have worn out sound quality from the beginning. And some 
manufacture normal sounding picture records. Someone could enlight us what 
is it with the process of making a pictured disc that distorts the sound?
And I've heard complaints too about how coloured vinyl crackles much more 
than black vinyl... Which seems strange since vinyl originally doesn't have 
any colour, it's clear. Black colour is added in the process of making. 
Maybe other colours have some (dis)qualities that do not produce the best 
sounding records...? But this went a bit to the chemistry side I'm afraid.


Proffit



From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Vinyl
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:30:11 -0500

I don't know about that... I've never played any vinyl (save maybe 3 or 4 
of

them) to the point where I considered them worn out.  One thing I have
heard is that picture discs don't have the same sound quality as
traditional black vinyl, but that's just something I've heard... I've never
gone out of the way to spend the extra $$$ for a picture disc.  As far as 
my
ears can tell, the sound quality for colored vinyl is as good as black 
vinyl

and I've never seen anything to prove that it wears faster.  I say buy
without worry :)

Matt
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com

 Seeing that you might be a bit more knowledgeable about this, can you 
tell

me
 what differences may be between coloured and plain black vinyl .I heard
from
 someone that coloured vinyl doesn't last as long (wears quicker).

 Thanks,

 A_Zed



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new background releases by submania

2000-04-14 Thread BACKGROUN0

b a c k g r o u n d *  m i n i m a l   m u s i c *  r e c o r d i n g s

OUT NOW: SUBMANIA - PROCEED EP / 12 (background/neuton)

previous releases:
* Zylacanth ep * (BG-004) / * Low Voltage clear.floor * (BG005 )


PROCEED EP (BACKGROUND 007/NEUTON)
German Newskool duo presenting high qualtity ultra reduced, abstract
sounding tunes from the newskool camp of german DESIGNER-MUSIC.
12 with four cuts ranging from dbx-inspired detroit sounding 4/4 cuts (a1),
with crackling cologne beatsgrooves to real futuristic ultra 
abstract-rhythmic
pieces in a modern german technohouse vein to typical drypuristic
cologne-type grooves.


e x c l u s i v e  d i s t r i b u t i o n  n e u t o n: fx.: 
++49.69.82974450  

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RE: (313) track id

2000-04-14 Thread D . J . Butler
Thanks for this - aha, at last a chance to id a track 
I've been after for ages.
It's the one around 18 mins... I don't know why...
Anyone please?

Cheers,

Dan

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html

New MP3 com site:

http://www.mp3.com/DanButler


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 a dj set by dj bone at:
 
 http://www.technologix.org/ram/events/blue/blue2.ram
 30:46 minutes into the set. dpe track!!
 
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Re: (313) track id

2000-04-14 Thread Sean Creen


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for this - aha, at last a chance to id a track
 I've been after for ages.
 It's the one around 18 mins... I don't know why...
 Anyone please?


Thomas Banglater from Trax on da Rocks...

Sean.



Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
It's funny cause I both agree and disagree with peoples bitterness towards the 
'mainstreaming' of such a culture. Can you honestly say that you didn't expect 
this shit to happen? And for most of us, the raves are not such a huge part 
of our lives that something like young kids at a party seriously puts a damper 
on our day. Everything underground has it's time in the spotlight. Give it a 
few years, those kids will grow up drug addicts and not have enuf money to get 
into parties anyway, so have faith!

Peace,
Rich.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:16:25 -0500 stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
US music retail chains that used to only specialize in guitars and keyboards 
now
have dj rooms where they sell turntables, dj mixers, lighting, ect...ect
On two separate occasions i've seen kids with their parents buying turntables,
also see more youth in the stores playing with techo toys like the groove
approved boxes and electribes.
So I'm not suprized by such commercials, I think theres also a commercial from
Mcdonalds where Ronald McDonald is dancing with a bunch of kids and one of the
kids meal characters is behind two turntables.
Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants and
baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive house-drumnbass, you
dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's.

As far as the WMC, I hear more and more bad stuff about that place, people tell
me go once, experience all the bullshit, get it out of your system and don't
even waste your time with demo material.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For the record, my sarcastic comment was based around 1) the acceleration of
 DJ/Turntable culture as a hot 'trend' in the US in particular (especially as
 evidenced in advertising - which is another topic altogether) and 2) my
 disdain for the proliferation of DJ's 'who don't know their place.' as
 evidenced at WMC this year.

 I find nothing wrong with someone wanting to learn to/be (a) DJ.  Hell, my
 own girlfriend is learning to spin.  Agreed, everyone starts somewhere.
 Nothing's wrong with the adult entertainment profession as long as you're
 cool with it (although its not for everyone).  Nor is there anything wrong
 with making your own CD's or shopping your original demo.  It's about how you
 present yourself.

 You couldn't walk around the (overly crowded) pool area this year and
 discreetly give a white label to anyone without being attacked by vinyl
 vultures.  And the worst part was that when you didn't have anything in the
 genre of music that they played or you said no, they were offended and felt
 like because they were DJ Whothefuckever from 'Oklahoma' and they spin on a
 cable carrier college/internet radio station you owed them something.

 If all that makes me elitist, fine.  I don't care.

 pw

 In a message dated 4/12/00 8:35:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 tsk tsk on a lot of levels.
 *sigh*
 
 your whole post reads as elitist and I can't see that 313 is about
 that, though I wonder at times. It's about innovative electronic music
 and
 people have to start somewhere. I hope it's also about those tones healing
 people and a dream of a new world.
 
 So wot if it's a home burnt CD at least they are making music and trying.
 Stripping is decent money, the notion of a living wage is an anethema in
 the USA *spit*
 
 if you are talking about people more concerned with image than music, say
 it.

 *hmpmh*
 
 Emma
 mee-thod
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Re: (313) detroit's Eden in wired

2000-04-14 Thread Lance @ Inaudible
At 03:18 PM 4/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
anway, in May's issue of wired they do a bit on animation.
there is mention, along with picts, of the comic novel that Kenjji Marshall 
and Jen Dugan did: Eden Saga. Soundtrack by Dale Lawrence. If you haven't 
checked this out. do. and if you happen to get a hold of the book, keep it.


Speaking of the Eden project, I remember hearing some rumor
that there was going to be a soundtrack released featuring the
awesome tracks from the website. Does anybody know if 
that is still happening because I would love to have those
tracks available outside of the Eden website. Heck, I'd be
happy with simple mp3 files of them. Any chance of that?


---Lance---
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Re: (313) detroit's Eden in wired

2000-04-14 Thread Dale Lawrence

Hi Lance,

Yes, it is still happening, it's kind of a
behind-the-scenes project for us at the office
so we can't work on it during company time,
blah blah, but when it's finished we'll be
offering more than just a soundtrack.

Dale


At 09:23 AM 4/14/00 -0400, you wrote:
At 03:18 PM 4/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
anway, in May's issue of wired they do a bit on animation.
there is mention, along with picts, of the comic novel that Kenjji Marshall 
and Jen Dugan did: Eden Saga. Soundtrack by Dale Lawrence. If you haven't 
checked this out. do. and if you happen to get a hold of the book, keep it.


Speaking of the Eden project, I remember hearing some rumor
that there was going to be a soundtrack released featuring the
awesome tracks from the website. Does anybody know if 
that is still happening because I would love to have those
tracks available outside of the Eden website. Heck, I'd be
happy with simple mp3 files of them. Any chance of that?


---Lance---
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westlake, ohio 44145
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Re: (313) To boldly go... info request

2000-04-14 Thread David Gillies
 Particularly useful would be tips on specific releases, lyrics, samples or
 songs etc. Also, if there are any Trekkies on the list who can point me
 towards good Trek sites or mailing lists/newsgroups, I'd be very grateful.

How about on UR's Galaxy 2 Galaxy (UR-25)?
Track c1: Deep Space 9 (a brother runs this ship)
out.
Dave


Re: (313) Re: achive etc

2000-04-14 Thread Elliot Taub
Several Stores in New York carry Archive and 2000 Black, but distribution
is very spotty.
The places I've seen them (usually Archive) have been at Temple Records
(natch) and Dub Spot. Both have websites (temple-records.com,
dubspotrecords.com). They get them rarely, though. You have a better shot
at Dub Spot.
Satellite might get a few, too, but nobody can shop in Satellite any more.
e

Viti Davide wrote:

 Hi,
 since you guys have been talkin about the Archive label in the last few
 days I thought I could say it again:
 we set up a page on the Italian label in the Spotlight section at
 htpp://gpww.iscool.net

 I think the only English store you've not mentioned in the discussion is
 Vinyl Junkies; anyway on the page you'll find the details for the
 distributors as well.
 Hope this helps,
 take care

 d

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Betr.: Re: (313) artifacts

2000-04-14 Thread Wibo Lammerts
Afrika is an unreleased track which can only be downloaded from m-nus.com

W

 Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14-04-2000 4:07:25 
Sorry, I didn't see the 'lp'.

No, there is no track by that name. There is a track listing on the All
Music Guide site, I think.

Cheers

C

can some one give me the track listing for plastikman's artifacts
lp please

is 'Afrika' on it?

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Fwd:(313) Betr.: Re: (313) artifacts

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
Wrong. Afrika is on the b-side of the artifakts EP with hypchondriak on the 
a-side. Both tracks are not on the LP.
They are on the CD though.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:18:20 +0200 Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Afrika is an unreleased track which can only be downloaded from m-nus.com

W

 Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14-04-2000 4:07:25 
Sorry, I didn't see the 'lp'.

No, there is no track by that name. There is a track listing on the All
Music Guide site, I think.

Cheers

C

can some one give me the track listing for plastikman's artifacts
lp please

is 'Afrika' on it?

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Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D

2000-04-14 Thread hans kaufmann
With a girlfriend in the Motion picture (ok so it's TV)industry I'm privy to
some wierd info. For the most part very few movies are actually filmed on
location.  Detroit Rock City was filmed in Buffalo for Fuck's sake.  The
amount of shit that a production crew has to go through is pretty ridiculous
as there are so many thing that they have to have and have accounted for. 
Nearly all of the equipment (ie. Steady Cam operators, Post Production, etc.
etc.) is in LA as well as experienced people to handle all aspects of
production and logistical issues.  Smaller films can film on location but
it's still a pain in the ass.  Movies like the Bridge, Dertoit Rock City ,
and Bird on a Wire Contain stock footage of the city but it's somewhat
irrational for a film company to actually shoot there.  It's not so much an
issue of authenticity but logistics.  Remeber in Bird on a Wire Mel Gibson
and Goldie Hawn took a Ferry from the D to Racine Wisconsin in 2 hours (I
think the Ontarians should be pissed about that).  And besides why does
location of where it was filmed matter if there are indoor shots.
As a side note the reason that Detroit has produced such great art over the
years (IMO) is that there ain't shit to do but focus on your art.  They film
shit in San Francisco and LA all the time (I've seen my old apartment in
Flashback).  But this is a place where artist come to die it's beautiful
here but is there anything being produced musically worth a shit no.  Any
great art no.  An artist friend of mine who went to CCC in the D but lives
her now calls it the place where artist's come to die.  If you want to see
tha D go home and visit your folks.  Be proud of what's been produced in tha
D-even if it is some dorky white kid from Romeo that happens to be the most
famous at the moment.  
Desperation is the only cause of greatness
Hans


On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:02:26 -0500, Phonopsia wrote:

  Roger  Me is filmed in Flint and Detroit. But a documentary...
  
  The new John Frankenheimer film, Reindeer Games is set in the upper
  peninsula of Michigan. Don't know where it was filmed...
  
  There was a gangsta/mafia flick with Nicholas Cage and Michael Rappaport
  (Dick Richey) that came out two or three years ago - really sucked. This
was
  set in Detroit.
  
  Was The Equalizer set in New York or Detroit? I can't remember.
Probably
  wasn't filmed there at any rate.
  
  Can't forget the Beverly Hills Cop series... Not sure if these were
filmed
  in Detroit.
  
  An addendum: almost everything is filmed off site. Northern Exposure
was
  shot in Washington, not Alaska, most of the X-Files were filmed in
  Vancouver. Most American movies and television are filmed in Hollywood,
  except for establishing shots. This doesn't include Scorcese and Woody
Allen
  (and a few others).
  
  One thing I've noticed: Detroit seems to be a lot less prominent in the
  American national media in the 90s than it was in the 80s. Probably
because
  decline is more newsworthy than reconstruction??? Don't really know
enough
  about it to say, and I don't pay enough attention to the news anyway, so
  this may be completely off base.
  
  Regardless, filmmakers always seem to have a distinct purpose in mind
when
  shooting/setting a film in Detroit. There is a distinct mood associated
with
  Detroit in the American consciousness.
  
  My filmic $.02
  
  Tristan
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  Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:47 AM
  Subject: Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D
  
  
  
  In a message dated 4/13/00 2:30:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   in dan sicko's book he mentions that robocop was one of many films
which
  were set in detroit but not filmed in the city. what films were actually
  filmed in the city?
  
  blair 
  
  There was this made-for-cable movie with Bonnie Bedelia (Bruce Willis'
wife
  in the Die Hard flicks) about five years ago that was actually filmed
on
  location here. The old Hudson's building (RIP) and Old County Building
were
  used (Bedelia's character was a judge).
  
  Parts of Out of Sight (Clooney and Lopez) were filmed here, not just
  exteriors.
  
  Exteriors and establishing shots for the now-defunct CBS TV series EZ
  Streets (Ken Olin) were filmed here.
  
  The opening sequence of Beverly Hills Cop was shot here, the bit that
ran
  under the credits. None of the actual narrative, though.
  
  Polish Wedding (Liam Neeson and Claire Danes) was actually filmed in
  Hamtramck.
  
  I didn't see Grosse Pointe Blank but I heard most of it was filmed
here.
  
  Ice Cube's character in Three Kings was a Detroiter.
  
  Weren't 

Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D

2000-04-14 Thread jsanford
hans kaufmann,[EMAIL PROTECTED],internet writes:
Detroit Rock City was filmed in Buffalo for Fuck's sake

Part of it was filmed in Toronto. I used to live in Windsor and spent a lot of
time in Detroit. Now I live in Toronto. Almost two years ago I was driving
along (in Toronto) and noticed the Spirit of Detroit on a garbage can. I didn't
think anything of it, nor did I bat an eye when I looked up and one of the
street signs read West Grand Blvd. The cues were registering, but my brain
didn't think anything odd.  
Only when I passed a film crew wheeling some lights around did it hit me, fuck,
I'm 250 miles from Detroit. I later found out I was driving through the set for
Detroit Rock City. 
It was lovely, I shed a tear. 




beam me up

2000-04-14 Thread marsel

At 13-4-00 -0400 15:54, you wrote:

  together with a friend i was actually beamed up!  really cool, we had to
  bounce some crystals. (really, i'm not talking shit here) it was the 
nicest
  part of the exposition, together with old suits being exposed. the 
rest was

  somewhat childish

BTW Marsel, how were you beamed up? Details?


well, you had to stand in a cabine
seeing yourself projected on a large film screen across, with a different 
background surrounding. then the bodies felt apart/fade away, and were 
gone. another background appeared, and we suddenly popped up again.. and 
then do some other video tricks.

personal happening of the year so far ;)



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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Dann W
I wear baggy pants and baseball caps and I listen to/spin techno.  I have
only been spinning records for a year and a half.  Does that mean I'm not
down with YOUR undergorund?  Sorry I couldn't make it to parties in the
early 90's.  Ya see, I would have been about 13 and I didn't quite have a
driver's liscence yet.  Damn, I guess that's just another reason why I'm not
down.  If I would have realized that how you dress and how long you have
been partying and where you buy your tables was all that mattered I would
have just stayed home.  See, I was under the impression that it was LOVE FOR
THE MUSIC that counted.  I always thought that even if you're wearing
butterfly wings and ponytails it was cool.  You would look stupid as hell
but it's cool, so long as you LOVE THE MUSIC  God damn, I am so glad someone
finally opened my eyes.  I am never going to another party ever, ever again.

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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken


 Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants
and
 baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive
house-drumnbass, you
 dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's.




butterfly wings

2000-04-14 Thread Dann W
BTW, I in no way advocate the use of butterfly wings. ; )


Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread OscillateX2

In a message dated 4/14/00 1:40:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I wear baggy pants and baseball caps and I listen to/spin techno.  I have
only been spinning records for a year and a half.  Does that mean I'm not
down with YOUR undergorund?  Sorry I couldn't make it to parties in the
early 90's.  

Oh, stop whining

Ya see, I would have been about 13 and I didn't quite have
a
driver's liscence yet.  Damn, I guess that's just another reason why I'm
not
down.  If I would have realized that how you dress and how long you have
been partying and where you buy your tables was all that mattered I would
have just stayed home.  See, I was under the impression that it was LOVE
FOR
THE MUSIC that counted.  I always thought that even if you're wearing
butterfly wings and ponytails it was cool.  You would look stupid as hell
but it's cool, so long as you LOVE THE MUSIC  God damn, I am so glad someone
finally opened my eyes.  

Whinge, whinge...  Our man's point was that it's not about how you look or 
how long you've been around, it's how you present yourself.  

Too many up-and-coming DJ's/producers/promoters/partygoers walk around like 
they're the shit/god's gift to technohousedrumnbasstrancewhatever when they 
really have no clue as to what the hell they are talking about or 
listening/dancing to.

Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention, 
respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and 
the scene.  Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these 
days.

I am never going to another party ever, ever again.

Grow up.

pw


Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Matt Trinneer
 Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention,
 respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and
 the scene.  Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these
 days.
 
I have a feeling that there were just as many people, percentage wise,
that acted the way some of the newcomers are.  There are just a lot more
people involved in the scene in one way or another now so number wise it
probably appears that the are more idiots...

There have always been idiots and there always will be.  Just learn to
ignore them.

-Matty


re: Aril Brikha

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
Sorry to post this again, but anyone know what synth Aril Brikha uses for most 
of his soft sounding melody lines? I think someone was telling me it was a 
Roland D-20 but I can't remember. If anyone can help me out i'd appreciate it. 
Curiosity killed the cat.

Peace,
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Fwd:Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
Yih guelph!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) i'm goin there to pick up a friend of mine 
tonight. Anyways, I agree. I can't beleive this is still an ongoing argument in 
here. Although I may be a hypocrite in some cases (i.e. my last tangent about 
Phryl parties in Toronto) it comes down to the fact that it's bound to happen. 
Get over it, and continue enjoying the music.

Rich.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:07:37 -0400 Matt Trinneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention,
 respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and
 the scene.  Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these
 days.
 
I have a feeling that there were just as many people, percentage wise,
that acted the way some of the newcomers are.  There are just a lot more
people involved in the scene in one way or another now so number wise it
probably appears that the are more idiots...

There have always been idiots and there always will be.  Just learn to
ignore them.

-Matty

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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Ross Balmer

- Original Message -
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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken


 Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid
attention,
 respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music
and
 the scene.  Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these
 days.

I do think people look at the 'old days' with rose coloured specs. As I
recall it has always been the case that there were people on the scene who
were only in it for the most superficial reasons and who knew nothing about
the music, from 1988 (when I first discovered the music) right through 'til
now.

Ross.



Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Minimaltek
In a message dated 4/14/00 10:40:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Go to a rave nowdayz and its just a bunch of kids with their baggy pants
 and
  baseball caps that are into trance-disco loops-progressive
 house-drumnbass, you
  dont see people that were into the scene in the early to mid 90's.
 
  
That's because we are not 17 anymore. It's called life, careers, and 
maturity. I don't remember even paying attention to what people wore or 
categorizing the tracks. I just thought the speaker always looked place to 
be- and I always had good company.


Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Dann W
 Oh, stop whining

Didn't mean for it to come off in a whining tone but... anyway.

 it's how you present yourself.

 Good point, i agree.

 Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid
attention,
 respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music
and
 the scene.

As do I, and a lot of my friends.  I really do wish I could have experienced
the scene when it was a little more pure.  Unfortunately that's not a
possibility.  I love the music, so I put up with the shit and make the best
of it.  Yeah, the scene sucks now but people need to try not to generalize.
Theres new school kids out there got the love as well.


Re: (313) track id

2000-04-14 Thread Mark S Flintoft
Thomas Bangalter / Trax on Da Rocks Vol 1 - What to do - Roule 301

Peace,

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: (313) track id


 Thanks for this - aha, at last a chance to id a track 
 I've been after for ages.
 It's the one around 18 mins... I don't know why...
 Anyone please?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dan
 
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 http://www.mp3.com/DanButler
 
 
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  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: (313) track id
  
  a dj set by dj bone at:
  
  http://www.technologix.org/ram/events/blue/blue2.ram
  30:46 minutes into the set. dpe track!!
  
  blair
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(313) - Stereo, Monteal....

2000-04-14 Thread Mark S Flintoft
Anyone have contact info for Stereo in Montreal??

Thanks in advance,

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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread hans kaufmann
Jesus do we always have to have this whiny ass discussion.  Let's make the
distinction please as to the difference between the Rave scene and  this
mystical Utopian non-existant past that seems to fit so fondly in everyones
mind.  Raves and the trendy (it's a fashion and drug culture not a music
culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on
drugs!)have, do, and will suck (opinions-assholes you know the cliche).  The
phenomena of the 80's in England where the Drug and Fashion culture that
later becam raving wasn't based on the music from this list until several
years after the Acid Houses Incantation.  The Rave merely became a vehicle
for Techno. Futuristic beats sound pretty cool on drugs no.  As Dan Sicko
pointed out most of the Artist you guys idolize on this list (jesus! they
just make music) couldn't get heard anywhere and the rave was the only place
to play the music of their lives.  I'm personally glad that ferngully and
re-disco are the only thing you can hear at a rave, I don't have to go to be
annoyed with anyone.  I can get my friends together throw an intimate 300
person party  with great artist who ain't gettin booked at a rave cause they
have talent and then I can have a genuine good time (not to mentioned we
dress well).  Every other week someone in New York, LA, or San Fran is
posting about quality small techno events. It can be hard because of the
fees that must be paid to the Detroit Artists who have been getting way more
fame/respect/money in Europe and recently australia are so high.  It would
be nice if some of the artist would do some favors and come play for less
than their Euro Cost.  To build and maintain a lasting you have to maintain
the core audience that will stick around.  So if anyone knows any cool ass
artist (the Burdens have offered) want to come out here hang out with some
deprived Tech-heads and rock a small house party let me know.  God I
remember only 4 years ago seeing Claude Young Tag for 4 Hours with Mike
Clark in a Basement in Lansing.  Fuckin Quality.  The kids are all wrong big
deal but unless we snag a few of em an educate em about the history and
tradition then there will be no more music being made (in case you havn't
noticed some of the artists are like ballplayers gettin over the hill) and
all you'll have are achives of this list.  
Goddamn Ravers 
Hans
Punk Rock boy who likes the damn beats
  
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:31 -0400, Dann W wrote:

   Oh, stop whining
  
  Didn't mean for it to come off in a whining tone but... anyway.
  
   it's how you present yourself.
  
   Good point, i agree.
  
   Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid
  attention,
   respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music
  and
   the scene.
  
  As do I, and a lot of my friends.  I really do wish I could have
experienced
  the scene when it was a little more pure.  Unfortunately that's not a
  possibility.  I love the music, so I put up with the shit and make the
best
  of it.  Yeah, the scene sucks now but people need to try not to
generalize.
  Theres new school kids out there got the love as well.
  
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Re: (313) detroit's Eden in wired

2000-04-14 Thread Dale Lawrence

http://eden.sigma6.com

A couple episodes of the book are
on the site animated in Flash.



whats the url for this eden website?





tonight 4/14 in Detroit

2000-04-14 Thread Hugh G. Blaze

Corrections.

A free party every Friday.

starring DJ Derek Plaslaiko and special guests TBA.

all ages admitted, 21+ to drink.

at Cloud 9 in Hamtramck. 8534 Conant. 313.923.

Directions: Take I-75 to Caniff. Head west on Caniff. You will pass the
Motor Lounge. Take a right at the first light after Motor on Conant. Head 
south 3/4 of a mile and Cloud 9 will be on your left. There's a giant 
Rite-Aid billboard on the side of the building that says Nite Aid, you 
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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread joe
I personally am less troubled by the presence of turntables in a barbie 
playset than by their presence in the band limp bizkit where they are used 
almost solely for the pop appeal of the urban image to market to mall 
children and to add a few needless and poorly placed scratches over a 
distorted guitar (btw that motherfucker hooks his rig up through a marshall 
stack which is just wrong...ugh).  This is the commoditization of DJ 
culture.  This is what will lead to more shit djs, increasing demand and 
prices for vinyl, more concern with style than music etc etc. that we all 
associate with commercialization.  A DJ doll which probably won't sell 
because it's marketed to little girls who could give a fuck less is only a 
reflection of this larger problem (not that it isn't just sickenning, and 
thanks for posting that, it was quite amusing).

The question is: Does the commoditization of DJ culture bother us because 
of the afforementioned reasons or because we are elitist jack offs who 
can't stand to see more people getting into in our music?

I think most on this list would go with the former but we may give many 
people the wrong impression.  Maybe if we act more elitist people will get 
turned off to the scene and we can have it all to ourselves!

Just a thought,
_joe

(ps - before anyone flames me this is an attempt at humor.  No sore 
feelings okay?   peace)




Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
I WAS going to start reading your WAY too long response until I saw this: 
(it's a fashion and drug culture not a music
culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on
drugs!)

You're an idiot.

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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Rich Neal
I WAS going to start reading your WAY too long response until I saw this: 
(it's a fashion and drug culture not a music
culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on
drugs!)

You're an idiot.

Rich.


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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Holly C MacDonald-Korth
peter said:
 Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid attention,
 respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music and
 the scene.  Sadly, that's not always the case when you go to a rave these
 days.

favorite quote i heard the one and only time i went to buzz (now called sting):

dude, do you know what a 4/4 beat is? what's a 4/4 beat?

peace,
holly




Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread Holly C MacDonald-Korth
I do think people look at the 'old days' with rose coloured specs. As I
recall it has always been the case that there were people on the scene who
were only in it for the most superficial reasons and who knew nothing about
the music, from 1988 (when I first discovered the music) right through 'til
now.



How many househeads does it take to screw in a lightbulb?



one to screw in the bulb and five to talk about how good it was back in the
day...


sorry guys..it's friday




Fluxion

2000-04-14 Thread Andrew Duke
i know this was brought up
before, but who is/are Fluxion
on Chain Reaction? two guys
from the UK? two from Hong Kong?
something else?
geez, my memory is going...
andrew duke

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hyperreal addy

2000-04-14 Thread Andrew Duke
there has been a rash of postings
to the 313 list via
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313@hyperreal.org
did i miss something? andrew duke

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Re: (313) Rave betty Barbie and DJ Ken

2000-04-14 Thread ToToRoGrL
okay-so we have been sitting tight in CA watching all these comments float in 
and out of our mailbox concerning htis stupid toy-
we think the least we should do is not give it so much credit. Wouldn't we 
rather see a toy than a complete rave enlightment on E! entertainment 
television? E! now has a couple of bimbos taking the cameras around to all 
the coolest places to buy your rave gear and interviews with rave 
promoters. If that isn't the worst, who knows what isat least ken can't 
really play the music-god knows what the Matel version of rave music would 
be...Trance
aspirin for everyone..much luv..kat and missy


Re: (313) Fluxion

2000-04-14 Thread Andrew Duke
i dunno. can i get a yeah or nay
on this, svp. thanks. andrew duke

tristan watkins wrote:

 I thought it was one dude from Greece.

 Tristan

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  geez, my memory is going...
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