[313] theo at the temple, in japan, and eclectic asthetic
Hi I've seen track listings to these Theo Parrish mixes on the list before, but have only taken a passing interest cos I didn't have the mixes. Now I do and would really appreciate it if someone has the listings and would be willing to post them -- again! And another thing. I have no background in hiphop but have recently had the good fortune to be exposed to the amazing production of Madlib (under his Yesterdays New Quintent guise). The Angles without Edges lp and the two recent eps on Stones Throw are really quitely sublimely incredibly beautiful and I wonder if someone can tell me more about who this is? And what other stuff of this ilk am I missing out on not being familiar with hiphop? Cheers and thank you Chris http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
In a message dated 1/27/02 5:25:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(sigh) oh my...weeks, months of lurking and suddenly there's two topics in
the course of one week I feel the need to add my .02.
While to some it may appear that Jeff is 'selling out' or 'turning his back
on his fans' what he's doing is trying to push back the boundaries.
I've seen Jeff at Lost, I've seen Jeff in (just outside of Detroit), I've
seen Jeff in New York and when he's on, there's not many who attack the
turntables in such a wanton intensity.
The fact that he's going and playing 'house clubs' is part of expanding his
mission and exposing the concepts to the next tier of dance music fans.
While the first few times at Fabric may be full of clueless people and may be
less than fulfilling for the diehard UK fans, the greater perception that his
presence in those clubs will create overall can only hope to draw more
attention to forward thinking dance music globally ('cause you know the rest
of the world, like it or not, follows the UK music press like gospel).
In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have
Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha,
Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag,
Ministry, and Muzik?
This is just the first step in getting closer to that possibility.
pw
gg
ny
you misunderstood me.
i dont class him with the overpaid etc. as i personally
feel he's been in a league of his own for years with
nobody even now able to touch him on a good night.
and it would be nice for him to give us the chance
to progress with him at the clubs we all love and
have seen him rock many times. not in some super
money club full of people who really won't understand
what he's actually doing.
if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his
music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get
this chance.
wasn't he the one who said
techno is whatever you want it to be..
so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs?
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] change the style!
(apologies to Son of Bazerk) All this talk of Mills and house just made me remember when he was making industrial music ... -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
What is this?! A judgemental Jeff Mills thread on 313 *in a southern evangilistic voice* ... Dear Lordie look upon my inbox in this time of great need, and guide it through this difficult time of numerous Emails about the judging of other men's choices who they may not know first hand. Amen. Father Diana __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] rumors
Err...this 'jeff mills only playing in house clubs' thing is just a rumor? And everyone's got their panties in a twist? Mills is a great DJ, but it wouldn't bother me if he never played records again, and concentrated on production. The fact is that the world is full of really good DJs. Some of them can get $10K a night and play in giant venues all over the world, and some just play for the love of it whenever and wherever they can. Friday night I went to a party in a basement with ceilings so low I felt like frickin Gandalf in Bag End, and a couple of the local guys -- Tom Gustavson and Dave Herbert -- were playing. They both played dope sets, and everyone there was busting grins and having the time of their lives, right up until the police came ... Maybe most of you know this but it bears repeating -- for all but a very few people, DJing isn't a career -- it's an obsession, an avocation, a way of life, and it doesn't matter if there's 5000 people in the room or 5 -- when it feels right there's no better feeling in the world. If Jeff Mills, or anyone else who DJs for a living, doesn't enjoy it they should find something else to do. When I think of how jazzed people like me or Tom or Dave get about playing in a grungy basement for 10 people, it seems absurd that anyone would complain about being able to make a living doing it. If they aren't feeling it any more, they should figure out what to change, or hang it up... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
It's not just a question of restricting his playing to house clubs, is it? It looks like he's decided to focus on just a couple clubs, likely because the money is good and the hassles are limited. Anyone who has played out as a DJ knows the latter is maybe even more of a factor, what with crapped out club sound systems, filthy DJ booths, lying/cheating promoters and the never-ending parade of people trying to take a piece of whatever it is they want from the DJ as a public figure. someone writes: go check out ben sims, carola, hawtin, bone etc, people with a real hunger for what they do and a genuine love for the people who pay to hear them play. like mills used to have. Don't make me laugh. Jeff Mills long ago settled any question about his dedication and love for what he does. It's simply not an issue. I like many but not all of his records, am in awe of some of them, and in any event his place in techno history is assured. I've never seen him DJ but reports of the special quality of his approach when he's on his game go way, way back. It's not for nothing he was known as the Wizard. I just can't understand this attitude that he somehow owes it to us to keep doing whatever it is *we* think he should do. He'll find plenty of better things to do with his time than hang out in the sad dead-end circus that the club and rave scenes have become, where sloppiness, greed and self-absorption long ago drove away musical quality. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] change the style!
on 1/27/02 11:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (apologies to Son of Bazerk) All this talk of Mills and house just made me remember when he was making industrial music ... erm...weren't there a few early hip-hop releases on those Wizard sets, too? My favorite dj sets ever have been those when someone decided to break rules and spin outside the genre lines. After all, it's called a mix for a reason right? -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get this chance. wasn't he the one who said techno is whatever you want it to be.. so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? Maybe because the UK definition of techno has become such a cliche and he wants to play a different environment? What is the gender ratio in UK techno clubs? Mostly heterosexual men? Maybe he wants to play to a more diverse crowd. There could be many interesting reasons. What's wrong with house clubs anyway? I still think you should be positive about this. Anyway, isn't it great that Mills is back in the UK? I would be glad everything worked out, me! :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
I have no idea what you are getting at, maybe you can clear that up. At any rate, that's why I made 'em questions! So what is the vibe in UK techno clubs? A lot of the UK internationals have stated that the UK and European techno clubs are too imbalanced with all males. I have seen that happen at gigs here too with Ben Sims and Dave Angel, all guys. I went to the latter with a gay male friend and both of us had the perception of it being a very male night whereas at a Derrick Carter/Stacey Pullen gig, there was a wider diversity of people, guys and girls, people I knew from the gay scene, ravers, house heads, techno kids, everyone. -- From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 5:09 PM on 1/28/02 12:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the gender ratio in UK techno clubs? Mostly heterosexual men? Please be careful here. I understand where you're coming from, but maybe there's a more finely tuned definition you can use? This is a pretty broad brush you've decided to use... -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play in 'House Clubs'. Business as usual then Jeff, great. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
It's always bemusing to realize how NARROW people are! First they want it ALL harder harder, faster faster, no chords, no melodies, no vocals - now it's gotta be a particular type of venue, perhaps with a particular type of regular clientelle ... What next? Floor plan measurements? Standardized drinks? You've already got the same beat all night (for the most part) you twits ... Do yourself a favour ... rewind your day, retrace your steps all the way to your bed, then say to yourself: 'Jan 28 2002' ... then start again. -Original Message- From: innercity records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get this chance. wasn't he the one who said techno is whatever you want it to be.. I've neglected to respond to the above: What part of his music do you consider not techno anymore? Is it what you think he will play at these house clubs or do you think his current material isn't techno? i'll always consider his musc techno. him more than anyone has helped shape the way i look at music and what i now do for a living. it's jeff who says on the axis forum that his music isn't suitable for techno clubs anymore. that's what pissed me off. who is he to decide whether people who've followed his music all through his career are no longer the people who should be out partying to his dj sets. techno for me is anything electronic be it house, electro, gabber, acid anything. and this is why you'll hear these styles more at a techno club than say at tribal sessions where the music policy seems to be just dull 15minute progressive house tunes and the oh so cool tech-house bollocks (surely just techno for house dj's who can't bring themselves to admit that after so many years dissing the music they're now actually playing it) if jeff wants to play these clubs and get a reaction then fair enough. but why turn his back on those who've helped and supported him for so long. we must get asked 5 or 10 times a week in the shop if we know when jeff mills is playing in england again. in future i'll just say he isn't but why not go check out ben sims, carola, hawtin, bone etc, people with a real hunger for what they do and a genuine love for the people who pay to hear them play. like mills used to have. paul I really believe his quote is a genuine one and he's not full of shite. LOL I think we're the ones who have the problem because we have put techno in a box or given techno a stereotype whereas Mills hasn't, hence the quote. Techno IS whatever we want it to be. Its Beligum Rave, Gabber, its breaks, its tech-step, its tech-house, its TRANCE =), its IDM, its glitch, its click-house, ambient...on and on. Techno is Techno. Even Detroit Techno is its own brand of techno. Ok, gotta go...the neighbors got the RB blastin' now and I have try and to get back to work. =) Peace, glyph so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? To you, they're house clubsto him they're places to wreak havoc in. =) I think we just need to remain calm and see what happens. Peace, Glyph paul - Original Message - From: glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again off his rocker but then as he explained himself, I gradually understood. Frankly, I believe its up to his audience to appreciate the switcher-roo he is contemplating and perhaps progress along with him. Those I think are the true believers of this talent. Its unfair to carelessly lump Jeff in the 'overrated, under skilled + massively over paid superstar dj category, if not tech. Looking at his career, he has worked his butt off (ever noticed how skinny the man is?) to arrive at his current prestige. His schedule is non-f***ing stop. In observing him at Musik, I've come to the conclusion that this man is just amazing. A bloody genius who has a genuine passion for the music and its progression. So basically my friend, with all due respect...I don't know what to tell ya. Heheh, it is what it is, eh?. We can only progress with him in the belief that he can lead this music into a new direction or get out there and make it ourselves. Me, I'm sticking around. My 2 ¢, --Glyph innercity records wrote: we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an interesting reason behind it. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play in 'House Clubs'. Business as usual then Jeff, great. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
I think that even if most of us have issues with taking out our frustrations about techno-accepatance-at-large on Jeff Mills, we can understand Paul's frustration that his favortie DJ is (supposedly) turning his back on underground venues in his home country after a three year absence. Isn't this the same beef we heard about Mills in the US on this list forever until he came back to Detroit this year? Why should Paul's feelings be any different if he's invested as much of himself in Mills as many of the people who were upset about not seeing him in Detroit? I for one don't have nearly as good a time at the big venues as I do at more intimate places. If there is any truth to this rumor, I can see where Paul's coming from, even if we have no right to dictate what Jeff Mills should or should not do. Don't we want to see our favorite DJs in a setting packed with purists who are all going nuts? Isn't this what made those after-hours at DEMF 2 so special this year - in direct counterpoint to the festival itself? Can't we see where he's coming from even if we can also sympathize with Mills' own creative drirection? To me, this feels like a beef with the scene directed at its leader - which if not fair, seems understandable given the dissapointment, especially after a three year absence. It's not like Paul is making enough money dedicating his life to techno that he can travel regularly to see Mills. Sound familiar? Most people who have given their lives to this music must be able to relate. It would be dissapointing for those who had their hopes up. All that said, try DC - the 4th largest music market in the US, which had less than 10 recognized techno DJs pass through town all year. Thank God for house music - it's much less frustrating... Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge Road ... I think it's positive myself. Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon toilets - unisex! Fabric has management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. Contrast with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in London - and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum Bass Speed Garage Nu School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM To: innercity records; 313 Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit (twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard man to see outside of continental Europe. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: innercity records [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar tech dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] am I the only one who is getting sick of deleting posts about jungle???
Debates about whether something is music are truly futile. I just think that a neutral observer would find a lot of the posts on here not only narrow minded and elitist (I'm fed up of talking about jungle, It's not really music) but downright contradictory. The London broken beat scene is championed on this list, and what did that scene spawn out of? D 'n' bassers returning to more rootsy music. Labels like Reinforced have been every bit as pioneering as their Detroit counterparts for the last 12 years. How can you dismiss this music? Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 26/01/2002 07:27:35 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] am I the only one who is getting sick of deleting posts about jungle??? If you care that much, read some old Simon Reynold's articles. Really, the Reese bassline comes from KMS. Acid House+Detroit+Hip-Hop+England in 1990=Hardcore Harcore+1993=Jungle DetroitJungle None of this is music, Every last one of you are Little Richard's bitches... And we were doing so good with music content this week. take care, mt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
I can't really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Musicians are meant to mature aren't they? I can understand that some people, especially techno fans, will be disappointed that they can't see probably the finest DJ that the genre has produced, playing what we like, but I think his presence is something of a double-edged sword. For us in the UK, especially those who went to Lost circa 94-97 (I was late to the cause) he was phenomenal, like nothing else ever heard, but when he wasn't there we all knew that it wasn't the same without him. NYE @ Lost in December was a timely reminder. Mills is so prevalent to techno in the UK and Europe that he casts a huge shadow over other artists. Too many other DJs following him have tried (unsuccessfully) to imitate him, both in DJ styles and artistically, and although some are perhaps technically equivalent, none have had the same impact. It would be great if someone can really step out of the shadows and take over his mantle. Personally I'd love to hear a house style set from him, it's always interesting to see DJs try other things (although playing a House set isn't exactly experimental - a HipHop set from him would be) - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge Road ... I think it's positive myself. Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon toilets - unisex! Fabric has management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. Contrast with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in London - and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum Bass Speed Garage Nu School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM To: innercity records; 313 Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit (twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard man to see outside of continental Europe. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: innercity records [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated, under skilled + massively overpaid superstar tech dj. after 3 years of not playing the uk due to his bollocks immigraion excuse this is how he repays his long time fans and followers who've spent countless money on his records and hours queing in the rain to go hear him spin. i don't think i'd actually be as angry over any other dj doing this which just shows the kind of admiration this guy has over here and i'm sure it'll be the same for many others. simple reply of course is for all us to turn our back to him and stop buying his music and going to his club dates. it works both ways. pure arrogance (again) innercity. . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,
[313] Theo Lists
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Yep, I too would like track listings of ANY of those Theo CD's. Know most things, but really struggling to find out what a few of the tracks are. Thanks. - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great atmosphere. Have faith! The same promoter, Hardware, is having Ian Pooley play a five hour set at a really small club Honkytonks next Friday after a big rave this weekend. This way the DJ gets to go out on a limb a bit. He can play whatever he likes. It's about thinking beyond the square. I am happy about these developments. We stilll don't know the veracity of these reports, so this is all hypothetical anyway. -- From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 8:54 PM I can't really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Musicians are meant to mature aren't they? I can understand that some people, especially techno fans, will be disappointed that they can't see probably the finest DJ that the genre has produced, playing what we like, but I think his presence is something of a double-edged sword. For us in the UK, especially those who went to Lost circa 94-97 (I was late to the cause) he was phenomenal, like nothing else ever heard, but when he wasn't there we all knew that it wasn't the same without him. NYE @ Lost in December was a timely reminder. Mills is so prevalent to techno in the UK and Europe that he casts a huge shadow over other artists. Too many other DJs following him have tried (unsuccessfully) to imitate him, both in DJ styles and artistically, and although some are perhaps technically equivalent, none have had the same impact. It would be great if someone can really step out of the shadows and take over his mantle. Personally I'd love to hear a house style set from him, it's always interesting to see DJs try other things (although playing a House set isn't exactly experimental - a HipHop set from him would be) - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge Road ... I think it's positive myself. Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon toilets - unisex! Fabric has management with brains so no dangerous overcrowding and well-behaved gorillas on the door. The soundsystem is 'boom' as some of us say. Contrast with the average so called 'Techno Club' (a misnomer surely?): Old, dirty; the soundsystem's just as old and sounds just as dirty. The latter aren't necessarily any cheaper - you pay close to £20 in London for entrance to almost any club nowadays ... Also I fail to see how only playing 'House Clubs' excludes places like The End - the original 'House Club' in London - and also a veritable Temple To Techno - and Drum Bass Speed Garage Nu School Breax h strangely, not Euro-Trance though ... :o) -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:08 PM To: innercity records; 313 Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again While this is surely dissapointing for those in the UK, don't forget he hasn't played in the US outside of NYC (a handful of times) and Detroit (twice?) over the last few years if I'm not mistaken. He's a hard man to see outside of continental Europe. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: innercity records [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [313] jeff mills stars again we just heard that jeff's quitting (quit?) techno and in future will only play house clubs with dates this year at fabric and the god awful tribal sessions in manchester. he's totally blown out the uk's most important clubs orbit, lost, slam and atomic jam after constant assurances that he'd be touring uk this year. if he feels the need to take his sound to another new audience then fair play but to turn his back on what he's best known for really beggars belief. i for one won't be putting on me best shiny shoes and sparkly shirt and paying £20 to see him while in the company of a bunch of clueless fashion victims who are probably in the club only to prance around to some overrated,
[313] Pump up the vol.. VHS
Does any of you in the UK have the three Pump up the volume episodes on VHS, and is it possible for me to get a copy? thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer
So who are Manix? w -Original Message- From: Pryor; Ryan N [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:42 PM To: 'Odeluga; Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer Yeah, I saw this on a couple of boards earlier this week. Very nice, aside from the headliner ;) heres the URL http://members.bellatlantic.net/~redlotus/92.jpg Ry -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:37 AM To: Mario Atienza; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer Not visible to everyone. Shame. -Original Message- From: Mario Atienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:56 AM To: 313 Subject: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer From the Board of Submerge Site : - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer
1/28/2002 5:22:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who are Manix? Manix is 4 Hero and someone else, afaikthey were on Reinforced way backwikked producers...they did Junglism 2 Hardcore and Feel Real Good Ian Scott aka DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bhpc, cheesestep rec., n.e. hardcore, raverporn.net, neverworld, boston) http://www.djentropy.comhttp://www.ne-hardcore.com Upcoming gigs: http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/upcominggigs.html There is no ONE right way to live - Daniel Quinn Producers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/us-production Educate the narrow minds, they see what they want to see. Educate the narrow minds, they feel what they want to feel. - Narra Mine - Genacide II - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Sorry, but how many of these clubs have you actually been to? Not only does the Orbit have a fine sound system, and facilities which elicit few complaints; most importantly it has a crowd who have a clue. Who go to see the DJ rather than to say they've been to Fabric / Bugged Out / Whatever, and who will understand what it is Jeff's trying to do. What is more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters a clear tenner less than Fabric. I had an interesting conversation with James Pennington a few months back about the crowds in Bugged Out (based at Cream lest we forget) compared to Voodoo when he played (clueless fuckwits was, I think, what we settled on). Both clubs are in Liverpool, both supplied much the same standards of accomodation, etc; but if he'd stopped the music and played Cosmic Cars in Voodoo, people would have done more than stop and stare... By opting for the expensive, commercial end of the industry, Mills is neglecting the promoters and fans who have fought long and hard to convince him to return to England. To suggest that this is about the gender bias in clubs is naieve, ill-informed bullshit. -s P.S. Hi, Paul, How's it going? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
By opting for the expensive, commercial end of the industry, Mills is neglecting the promoters and fans who have fought long and hard to convince him to return to England. To suggest that this is about the gender bias in clubs is naieve, ill-informed bullshit. It's actually coming from the DJs themselves! All the Brit techno DJs have stated as much openly here on tours. :) The drum 'n' bass guys same the same of drum 'n' bass clubs. I take in all the info I am told. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
what's gonna stop the diehard fan going to fabric is the fact that jeff's saying his music isn't techno anymore and that's gonna piss alot of people off. the club when he plays is simply gonna be full of media types and club regulars who may show a passing interest in his set until he drops something from waveform transmissions. then watch the room clear. a greater diversity of people at house clubs? i was at our local techno club on saturday there were nearly as many girls as boys ages 16 to 40+ wearing anything from t shirt and jeans to ladies in dinner dresses. the music was deep house to electro and hard funky techno. what got played at tribal sessions on friday? prog house for 8 hours. to some of the london people who've reseponded to this. would you still be saying the same if he'd chosen tribal sessions and gatecrasher? it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. hypocrite - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an interesting reason behind it. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play in 'House Clubs'. Business as usual then Jeff, great. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] rumors
Maybe most of you know this but it bears repeating -- for all but a very few people, DJing isn't a career -- it's an obsession, an avocation, a way of life, and it doesn't matter if there's 5000 people in the room or 5 -- when it feels right there's no better feeling in the world. Amen to that! I think Kent's reply should be put in the 313 FAQ. Therefore we could avoid these ad nausem debates about what kind of cereal Mr. Mills chooses to eat before playing a house/techno/electro/hip-hop set whether it be at a cheesy club or not. ID - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] string 'n' pad
MJ Cole is pretty ace. Did you hear Attitude last year? You're right about the Detroit/Chicago being in there, but then that's not surprising, given he's a former Drum Bass head, turned Garage producer which I know someone around these parts finds to be the worst of all worlds ... :o). Incidentally, have you heard the As One album? There is a track on there called 'Contours' which sounds suspsiciously like Speed Garage!... But more like the MJ Cole style of Garage ... I used to be quite blanket negative on that scene, but as it matures, I'm very reluctant to just dismiss it wholesale ... I keep hearing stuff in it that I find subtle, soulful and deep ... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:23 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] string 'n' pad There's some good stuff - MJ Cole is good! I actually hear a Detroit/Chicago influence in his material and Wookie's album was nice, cool Stevie Wonder influence in parts and with one track kinda Hawtin-esque strange techno-meets-two-step track. Gotta say just played So Solid album and am seriously underwhelmed. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] string 'n' pad Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 3:07 AM Put that in your column and smoke it, I dare you! -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:47 PM To: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: [313] string 'n' pad Personally I enjoyed Alex's post, if only for the outstanding use of the word 'bobbins', one of my favourite English colloquialisms and one I've hardly heard since the great days of Madchester. Discuss. And if you ask me, he's right about that garage/2-step bobbins too. So Solid my a**e. Bunch of TWOCers, the lot of 'em. Oops... :-) TOM -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: 313@hyperreal.org Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Januar 2002 14:19 RON Betreff: [313] string 'n' pad Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Ok, I'm new to this mail service, so I'm not familiar with the topics you discuss. But, surely if you subscribe to a mail service like this, you have more than a passing interest in music from Detroit? How on earth did anyone ever confuse Kevin Saunderson and Alex Reece??? I'm gobsmacked. Also Drum and Bass. A load of ex-ravers who discovered a few techno records round about 1993, what are most of 'em doing now? Speed bloody Garage, 2-Step, what ever you want to call it. Alright, there's a few D+B producers who can cut it (Photek/Dillinja?) but overall, I have to say it's bobbins, and barely worth a discussion, that music is full of people just trying to make a fast buck (I don't blame 'em for that) but really, is it 'music'? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Red Planet on CD ?
Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Win a ski trip! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;3840379;4478627;x?http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
'Hypocrite' wrote: it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. hypocrite Exactly! You'll go anyway! And Gatecrasher not being in London is the only reason I'd contemplate not going ... apart from that, aren't you intrigued?!? 'JM plays a house set' has got to be the best house set for miles around surely? Perhaps it's time to stop being churlish and accept progress when it's inevitable: Did you see JM at lost NYE? Films? Exclusive 'Space' arty crowd etc? It was more Islington than Brixton! But I enjoyed it ... Things have to move on and people too ... we're all getting older. If we are to maintain our love of all this and all it entails we need to discover deeper ways of appreciating it - or else Detroit's gonna seem like a long way away from anything really important. Ways that aren't dependent on a particular type of venue, a certain artificial 'downshifter' attitude - which you can falsify yourself by discovering how many public school types there are in most crowds of tech-heads ... By the way Sunship ... I make that number 50. -Original Message- From: innercity records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:39 AM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again what's gonna stop the diehard fan going to fabric is the fact that jeff's saying his music isn't techno anymore and that's gonna piss alot of people off. the club when he plays is simply gonna be full of media types and club regulars who may show a passing interest in his set until he drops something from waveform transmissions. then watch the room clear. a greater diversity of people at house clubs? i was at our local techno club on saturday there were nearly as many girls as boys ages 16 to 40+ wearing anything from t shirt and jeans to ladies in dinner dresses. the music was deep house to electro and hard funky techno. what got played at tribal sessions on friday? prog house for 8 hours. to some of the london people who've reseponded to this. would you still be saying the same if he'd chosen tribal sessions and gatecrasher? it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. hypocrite - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an interesting reason behind it. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or something.) What I'm getting at is that I fail to see what material difference will be made to Mr Mills' prediliction to play in any particular type of club by any such 'pronouncement' (if he did indeed make it) that he will now, only play in 'House Clubs'. Business as usual then Jeff, great. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:56 AM To: innercity records; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs? why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other? this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the club. -d
Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
- Original Message - From: o Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: [313] Red Planet on CD ? Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. -- There was a Red Planet compilation CD released a couple of years ago. I'm not 100% clear how mail order is working through the new Submerge website if you aren't in Detroit, but if that's an option it's your best place to look, or Record Time might be a good choice too. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 2001 gems
Not sure if I posted these weeks ago, but here's my favourites of 2001: 10 singles: metro area 4 (environ) mark mclaren - nevernet (emoticon) p'taah vs opaque - crossing (ubiquity) son of scientist- theory of everything (main squeeze) domu - the long way up (neroli) moodymann - j.a.n. (kdj 30) fabrice lig - last eden (starbaby) connective zone - palm palm (uxb) theo parrish - everything! (sound signature) ur - hardlife (ur) 10 albums: pub - do you ever regret pantomime? (ampoule) future beat alliance - disconnected (delsin) domu - up and down (archive) numbers - safety in numbers (main squeeze) afronaught - shapin fluid (apollo) the other people place - lifestyles of the laptop cafe (warp) millsart - every dog has its day (axis) moonstarr - dupont (public transit) blaze - natural blaze (life line) herbert - bodily functions (!k7) Cheers, Tom | tom churchill | emoticon recordings uk | emot 005 - connective zone/jeff samuel/scape one/schmutzig (out feb 2002) | emot 006 - otomi - zusammen/vertrauen (out feb 2002) | website/info - http://www.emoticonrecordings.com | distribution - http://www.rushhour.nl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
The new Submerge website will have mail order and possibly even online ordering in place shortly. They are still working on that... For now you can probably order stuff if you call or fax them. Eric At 08:58 AM 1/28/2002 -0500, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: o Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: [313] Red Planet on CD ? Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. -- There was a Red Planet compilation CD released a couple of years ago. I'm not 100% clear how mail order is working through the new Submerge website if you aren't in Detroit, but if that's an option it's your best place to look, or Record Time might be a good choice too. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
o Z wrote on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 about following: Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. yes, there is red planet compilation on cd, its called LBH-6251876 - A Red Planet Compilation, with tracks Comet LBH - 6251876 Last Transmission from Earth Sex in Zero Gravity Stardancer Journey to the Martian Polar Cap Ultraviolet images Skypainter WindWalker Voice of Grandmother Search your feelings Firekeeper Soulshine And it's actually released as RP-10. sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Manix
Manix was the first project of 4 Hero,Marc Dego,the track I´m Comin´Hardcore was a big anthem in UK,Hardcore Days Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So who are Manix? w -Original Message- From: Pryor; Ryan N at INET-1 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:42 PM To: 'Odeluga; Ken' at INET-1 Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer Yeah, I saw this on a couple of boards earlier this week. Very nice, aside from the headliner ;) heres the URL http://members.bellatlantic.net/~redlotus/92.jpg Ry -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:37 AM To: Mario Atienza; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer Not visible to everyone. Shame. -Original Message- From: Mario Atienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:56 AM To: 313 Subject: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer From the Board of Submerge Site : - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger! Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente.
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha, Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag, Ministry, and Muzik? unless he changes what he plays that just ain't gonna happen... his music is just too challenging for most people who go to the big house clubs (in the UK at least). actually this whole discussion is UK centric is it not? can you see Mills replacing Tenaglia in any club in the US? in terms of club culture in the UK: i think big things are around the corner and detroit will play a part in that (yes i am on topic for 313). finally it appears people want funk in their techno (it attracts the girls to clubs at least :) ) and tech-house, funky techno and all these other lame genres are a symptom of this. techno is on the up, and it is the varied detroit approach that is looking more favoured. IMO! in terms of Mills tho: i agree with what kent has said. if Jeff isn't feeling it in techno clubs it's up to him where he plays. if the knock on effect is alienating his past fans (which is not that likely) that's more or less a financial decision on his part and if he is in a position where he can do that then cool. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
right now Submerge is doing all their ordering through Groovtech. goto Groovetech.com and ask them if they have it. jeff -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:56 AM To: Phonopsia; o Z; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ? The new Submerge website will have mail order and possibly even online ordering in place shortly. They are still working on that... For now you can probably order stuff if you call or fax them. Eric At 08:58 AM 1/28/2002 -0500, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: o Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: [313] Red Planet on CD ? Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. -- There was a Red Planet compilation CD released a couple of years ago. I'm not 100% clear how mail order is working through the new Submerge website if you aren't in Detroit, but if that's an option it's your best place to look, or Record Time might be a good choice too. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
A few years ago Jeff Mills said he would never play again in Amsterdam after he had some bad experiences there. He didn't play there for about one year, now he plays on a regualr basis on really hughe parties around Amsterdam... Just wait and see what happens, [EMAIL PROTECTED] in terms of club culture in the UK: i think big things are around the corner and detroit will play a part in that (yes i am on topic for 313). finally it appears people want funk in their techno (it attracts the girls to clubs at least :) ) and tech-house, funky techno and all these other lame genres are a symptom of this. techno is on the up, and it is the varied detroit approach that is looking more favoured. IMO! in terms of Mills tho: i agree with what kent has said. if Jeff isn't feeling it in techno clubs it's up to him where he plays. if the knock on effect is alienating his past fans (which is not that likely) that's more or less a financial decision on his part and if he is in a position where he can do that then cool. -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
its out of stock. but they are full of vinyls.. b. right now Submerge is doing all their ordering through Groovtech. goto Groovetech.com and ask them if they have it. jeff -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:56 AM To: Phonopsia; o Z; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Red Planet on CD ? The new Submerge website will have mail order and possibly even online ordering in place shortly. They are still working on that... For now you can probably order stuff if you call or fax them. Eric At 08:58 AM 1/28/2002 -0500, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: o Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: [313] Red Planet on CD ? Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on compilations such as Submerge. -- There was a Red Planet compilation CD released a couple of years ago. I'm not 100% clear how mail order is working through the new Submerge website if you aren't in Detroit, but if that's an option it's your best place to look, or Record Time might be a good choice too. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great atmosphere. Have faith! yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows down the audience as we've dicussed)... wow i look forward to seeing the new Mills, oh wait i'll have to buy some posh clothes to do it in the UK. damn. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great atmosphere. Have faith! yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows down the audience as we've dicussed)... my bad: i meant jeff doing a house set... oops robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
looped bangers - now there's an expression! - Original Message - From: robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people came and really enjoyed it - it was an epiphany for them too. It was a great atmosphere. Have faith! yeah so jeff playing a techno set is jeff playing a big range not just looped bangers (ok he plays looped bangers like no-one else but it narrows down the audience as we've dicussed)... my bad: i meant jeff doing a house set... oops robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] jeff mills stars again
looped bangers - now there's an expression! industrial trance -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
I think you're off the mark with Bugged Out - I've only been to Bugged Out at Nation once and it had a great line-up (hence me travelling from London to go to it) with a superb atmosphere and Bugged Out nights at Fabric were the best nights they had there. What is more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters a clear tenner less than Fabric. Atomic Jam £13:50 Fabric £12:00 ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] string 'n' pad
Grain is morgan reno, yes. However I think youll find that santos Rodriguez is oliver ho.
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
looped bangers - now there's an expression! well it's fairly accurate wouldn't you say? of course it's a massive generalisation, which you'll have to excuse :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
I've got no real problem with Fabric. One of the best nights I've had in years was with Technasia, Aril Brikha and Kevin Saunderson back in August. I'd be the first to agree that some of the clientele were there purely because of what it was rather than who was playing, but overall the atmosphere was v.good. As someone else mentioned, the sound in there is phenomenal and to be honest that can have, IMHO, a big difference on the quality of the night. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again I think you're off the mark with Bugged Out - I've only been to Bugged Out at Nation once and it had a great line-up (hence me travelling from London to go to it) with a superb atmosphere and Bugged Out nights at Fabric were the best nights they had there. What is more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo, Atomic Jam etc will also charge the punters a clear tenner less than Fabric. Atomic Jam £13:50 Fabric £12:00 ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Don't forget the Wizard!
This thread is faulty with regard to one VERY important ingredient: Jeff Mills got his start in 'black' Detroit clubs. He's VERY used to very dressed up, 'bougie' crowds of couples DANCING all night long in a very sexy environment. I think perhaps he really misses feeling a LOT of soul coming back from the dancefloor and perhaps the batcave environments of events say like 'Lost' in London are simply not appealing to him at the moment. Not to mention that he played his own versions--Mastermixes-- if you will, of more popular stuff. Yes, Jeff could outspin and out-please any Tenaglia crowd he chose to--why can I say that? Because he's already done that for years and years while establishing a name for himself in Detroit clubs and on Detroit (and national) radio. Moreover, as a black man playing to mostly white, techno crowdswell I suppose anyone might get bored with too much of any ONE thingwhatever it may be. Danny Tenaglia ain't got a THING over Jeff Mills/The Wizard. Jeff Mills has clocked a coupla decades of djing and crowd pleasing to very persnickety black crowds where if you cleared a dancefloor or the ladies weren't dancing...you simply sucked..no second chances. Think in terms of your own life being one gigantic mix...wouldn't you get bored with the same soundtrack and the same type of crowd--night after night. He is a full grown man with an eclectic perspective on living. One must keep variety in the mix otherwise tings get monotonous...quickly As a fan of Jeff's, I've seen both of his persona's as a dj and I MUCH prefer him as the Wizard to any more globally popular techno persona. It's a bit more organic and reaches a wider mass of peeps I think..not to mention that its just MORE FUN prolly for him as well as a fan like myself. Finally, I will say one last thing--aren't these categories and folks' obsessive/compulsive need to categorize this music and pigeon-hole artists becoming more than just a little monotonous?? I welcome any dj that can get up and simply freak a large, ADULT crowd with the wildest array of just plain ole great music of ANY genre. Bear in mind that the young generations currently consuming the whole dj culture thing had literally nothing to do with bringing that culture to life.It has almost become a background setting for their drug taking, and in most cases involves very little activity above that. Why would anyone want to limit themselves or any artist--when there's soo much good music to be heard?? Many of my favorite djs are on a mission to 'break the chains' and barrier/categories placed upon them by the music media and fan base. I know more than a few hugely popular dn'b and house djs that are spinning music from all categories from jazz to rock n' roll to hip-hop, house, techno and beyond I'm kinda interested in the beyond atm..After all...isn't what birthed techno in the first place? Cheers Jeff...go on out dere, spank 'em and most of all 'ave a ball!! .humbly offered it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying. hypocrite - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno' clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure, with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very male-centric, everyone even wears the same kind of clothes, it's an intimidating enviroment maybe and it's predictable, which is not a 'techno' attribute. The DJs are then expected to play a certain kind of techno. I have seen that happen here as well. Here techno clubs can be very Anglo, too. I am not saying this doesn't happen to house clubs, but there is a great diversity of people, across the gender and sexual spectrum, even across the ethnic spectrum. What is stopping a techno diehard going to Fabric, really? That is another question you have to ask. It could be as simple as Mills wanting to break down barriers and switch things up a little. He's always been 10 steps ahead of us. There is probably an interesting reason behind it. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] jeff mills stars again Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:07 PM What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s) of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance music' (another
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
Yes, Jeff could outspin and out-please any Tenaglia crowd he chose to--why can I say that? Because he's already done that for years and years while establishing a name for himself in Detroit clubs and on Detroit (and national) radio. Moreover, as a black man playing to mostly white, techno crowdswell I suppose anyone might get bored with too much of any ONE thingwhatever it may be. Danny Tenaglia ain't got a THING over Jeff Mills/The Wizard. Jeff Mills has clocked a coupla decades of djing and crowd pleasing to very persnickety black crowds where if you cleared a dancefloor or the ladies weren't dancing...you simply sucked..no second chances. please don't misunderstand what i was saying wrt. to tenaglia. i don't rate him over mills, i was simply using him as an example of a popular US house dj. Finally, I will say one last thing--aren't these categories and folks' obsessive/compulsive need to categorize this music and pigeon-hole artists becoming more than just a little monotonous?? I welcome any dj that can get up and simply freak a large, ADULT crowd with the wildest array of just plain ole great music of ANY genre. yay, my point entirely. robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Tim Jackiw and Tundra Music
Whew a little break from the Mills posts. This Label sounds promising if they got guys like Tim Jackiw releasing stuff for the label. What's the news with the re-release of That Offworld ep he did? Otto, Jason?? any news guys? as for releases I've been diggin lately, I really dig the dimension 5 control complex 12 on Delsin and am really looking forward to the forthcoming album. Delsin is truckin right now. Yeah Marcel! :) minto http://downlowmusic.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme
didn't catch it... you sure it wasn't the Crystal Waters version of that song? that's what i'd guess. Mike From: Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:53 -0500 Anyone else catch CBS playing this tune during the commercial breaks of the football games this weekend? m - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme
I didnt catch it during football. But, I did see that they are in fact using the Paul Johnson rmx to promote TPIR's 30th anniversary. Very very sad that I can add to this topic. Jeff Mills doesnt play this track in his new house sets, does he? :P (sorry, couldn't resist) ID -- From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 12:19 PM didn't catch it... you sure it wasn't the Crystal Waters version of that song? that's what i'd guess. Mike From: Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:53 -0500 Anyone else catch CBS playing this tune during the commercial breaks of the football games this weekend? m - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
Not to knock Mills because i've only seen him spin in NYC a few times, but to dismiss danny t. as just a footnote in the story of mills is just plain wrong. How many dj's do you know remix/produce a song every week to play just for their weekly party? How many dj's come out every week from their booth to go out and greet the crowd and ask how they felt last weekend after the night? How many dj's give friends a chance to spin at their party or play a track they've been working on for months? How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? He's approachable, hard working, and has a passion for the music I've only seen in a few others. Sure, over the years Danny has started playing a bit more commercial but it doesn't make him a sell out or less technically skilled than he has always been. He'e going through changes. I've seen him throw many a techno set down at 6am and bang on through till 11am [ after most of the commercial loving ravers have left ] that rivals and/or is better any set I've seen Mills do. I saw mills in the early 90's @ the limelight and just recently (june 00) again at the limelight. Danny used to dance and hang w/ larry levan @ the paradise garage. doesn't get any blacker than that... and what what the hell black has to do with this is beyond me..his parties have soul. Whites, blacks, gays, divas, all used to go to paradise garage and now go to his party. If you ever get a chance to go, stay until at least 6am, it's when his party really begins. And to your point about Jeff Mills being able to out please me [ I am a Danny Tenaglia regular, if haven't already guessed ;) ] , well it's never happened. -pete -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:06 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! This thread is faulty with regard to one VERY important ingredient: Jeff Mills got his start in 'black' Detroit clubs. He's VERY used to very dressed up, 'bougie' crowds of couples DANCING all night long in a very sexy environment. I think perhaps he really misses feeling a LOT of soul coming back from the dancefloor and perhaps the batcave environments of events say like 'Lost' in London are simply not appealing to him at the moment. Not to mention that he played his own versions--Mastermixes-- if you will, of more popular stuff. Yes, Jeff could outspin and out-please any Tenaglia crowd he chose to--why can I say that? Because he's already done that for years and years while establishing a name for himself in Detroit clubs and on Detroit (and national) radio. Moreover, as a black man playing to mostly white, techno crowdswell I suppose anyone might get bored with too much of any ONE thingwhatever it may be. Danny Tenaglia ain't got a THING over Jeff Mills/The Wizard. Jeff Mills has clocked a coupla decades of djing and crowd pleasing to very persnickety black crowds where if you cleared a dancefloor or the ladies weren't dancing...you simply sucked..no second chances. Think in terms of your own life being one gigantic mix...wouldn't you get bored with the same soundtrack and the same type of crowd--night after night. He is a full grown man with an eclectic perspective on living. One must keep variety in the mix otherwise tings get monotonous...quickly As a fan of Jeff's, I've seen both of his persona's as a dj and I MUCH prefer him as the Wizard to any more globally popular techno persona. It's a bit more organic and reaches a wider mass of peeps I think..not to mention that its just MORE FUN prolly for him as well as a fan like myself. Finally, I will say one last thing--aren't these categories and folks' obsessive/compulsive need to categorize this music and pigeon-hole artists becoming more than just a little monotonous?? I welcome any dj that can get up and simply freak a large, ADULT crowd with the wildest array of just plain ole great music of ANY genre. Bear in mind that the young generations currently consuming the whole dj culture thing had literally nothing to do with bringing that culture to life.It has almost become a background setting for their drug taking, and in most cases involves very little activity above that. Why would anyone want to limit themselves or any artist--when there's soo much good music to be heard?? Many of my favorite djs are on a mission to 'break the chains' and barrier/categories placed upon them by the music media and fan base. I know more than a few hugely popular dn'b and house djs that are spinning music from all categories from jazz to rock n' roll to hip-hop, house, techno and beyond I'm kinda interested in the beyond atm..After all...isn't what birthed techno in the first place? Cheers Jeff...go on out dere, spank 'em and most of all 'ave a ball!! .humbly offered it's total bollocks but after
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
I think Laura is on to something...particularly if the phrase house club means a club where house music is played. I've detailed this story before...I remember Kevin Saunderson throwing a set at the Majestic in Detroit. First rave-style party I'd been to...in that there were like 16 djs and two rooms (a house room and a techno room). By the time we got there Jeff Mills was spinning in the techno room. Because I hadn't heard him in a long time I stuck around for a bitthen left as soon as I could, because the vibe was more of a concert vibe. People were ALL turned towards Mills...and dancing with themselves. After getting literally knocked around a bit, me and my girl went to the house room. Where it was more intimate...and people were dancing with each other and engaged in a different type of dialogue with the dj. Now I'm not as well traveled, and there could be a LOT of different stuff going on here that I'm not aware of. but when i FIRST saw the original post, my majestic experience loomed large. and though i've never been more than a bedroom dj (except for that one party in inkster when i was in high school that got shot up haha) i think i'd get more of a vibe from the house experience i described above rather than the techno experience. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
-Original Message- From: Tim Maughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:12 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. PG The ravers in question didn't come for the music, danny, or the vibe of be yourself @ vinyl party, they came because Twilo was shut down and to sit around and do drugs. Before it was a place to dance in a dark and comforatable space, as soon as the ravers came with their glowsticks the vibe changed to a point where he didn't want to play anymore. Tell me what you would do in that situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Ade Fenton info?
Does anybody have some good info on Ade Fenton, next to the bio on the Advanced-site? Thanks in advance, John _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
I personally dont *like* glowsticks at parties I play at... the general reason that the glowsticks are used is to play with when you are on E. and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene in the US for 3-4 years now. making kids on E dance doesnt mean much to me because they would be dancing to anything with 4/4 timing at that point. just my 2cents -Joe -- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. -- - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tim Maughan' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! -Original Message- From: Tim Maughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:12 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. PG The ravers in question didn't come for the music, danny, or the vibe of be yourself @ vinyl party, they came because Twilo was shut down and to sit around and do drugs. Before it was a place to dance in a dark and comforatable space, as soon as the ravers came with their glowsticks the vibe changed to a point where he didn't want to play anymore. Tell me what you would do in that situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
Keeping people from using glowsticks is just saving people from further embarrassing themselves. Everyone that plays with glowsticks, sometime, sooner or later, will be embarrassed they did. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: :P Reply To: :P Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'Tim Maughan'; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! I personally dont *like* glowsticks at parties I play at... the general reason that the glowsticks are used is to play with when you are on E. and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene in the US for 3-4 years now. making kids on E dance doesnt mean much to me because they would be dancing to anything with 4/4 timing at that point. just my 2cents -Joe -- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. -- - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tim Maughan' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! -Original Message- From: Tim Maughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:12 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. PG The ravers in question didn't come for the music, danny, or the vibe of be yourself @ vinyl party, they came because Twilo was shut down and to sit around and do drugs. Before it was a place to dance in a dark and comforatable space, as soon as the ravers came with their glowsticks the vibe changed to a point where he didn't want to play anymore. Tell me what you would do in that situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
on 28/1/02 6:17 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell me what you would do in that situation. take the chance to try and educate them. but about music, not their dress sense;) obviously i don't know the whole situation in this example - and i'd be an idiot to suggest i did. bit it p*sses me off to here this sort of cr*p from people like Judge Jules, and i'd usually expect more from someone like DT, who's work and skils ive always admired. but like you say, i recognise its a tricky situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] don't forget the glowsticks!
and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene in the US for 3-4 years now. wow, people have been using drugs while listening to techno for 3 whole years? i thought that trend started last june! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
maybe. and maybe be i should be embarrassed that i wore a VW sign round my neck and a baseball cap backwards when i was a kid. but you know what? i'm not. i'm happy enough with myself now that i recognise it was just a part of growing up. plus i don't want to start sounding like my dad just because i'm pushing 30. c'mon people, lighten up a little. on 28/1/02 6:43 pm, Giles Dickerson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keeping people from using glowsticks is just saving people from further embarrassing themselves. Everyone that plays with glowsticks, sometime, sooner or later, will be embarrassed they did. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: :P Reply To: :P Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'Tim Maughan'; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! I personally dont *like* glowsticks at parties I play at... the general reason that the glowsticks are used is to play with when you are on E. and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene in the US for 3-4 years now. making kids on E dance doesnt mean much to me because they would be dancing to anything with 4/4 timing at that point. just my 2cents -Joe -- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. -- - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tim Maughan' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! -Original Message- From: Tim Maughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:12 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 'laura gavoor'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. PG The ravers in question didn't come for the music, danny, or the vibe of be yourself @ vinyl party, they came because Twilo was shut down and to sit around and do drugs. Before it was a place to dance in a dark and comforatable space, as soon as the ravers came with their glowsticks the vibe changed to a point where he didn't want to play anymore. Tell me what you would do in that situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
hi tim,, i could share your attitude concerning the what to wear topic, but i do live in germany and if you would have been to a technoparty over here in the last 3 years you would probably think the same way peter does. its such a f***huge fashion thing, its become a thing about how to wear what and how to get his hair dressed up to stand 6 inches high,,,not to mention the accesories it happened to me more than once that a absolutely clueless doorkeeper (is it called like that??) told me im not going to get to that party because im not dressed the proper way and my hair isnt styled and i dont wear that neglace you have to wear if you are into techno.and so on. you see,,,i really love to see mills teaching the crowd... because thats also what means techno or music at all for me,, learning and teachingunderstanding.. ron -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2002 19:11 RON Betreff: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
I understand your concerns Rin - its the same here - except luckily its not techno parties. people only dress like that for trance - so they kind of deserve it;) but i did actually see i show on TV about berlin and i was kind of concerned to see what people where wearing - but i believe in NO door policy, so its a shame and a crime if your being excluded. it really sucks. are people dressing like that even at Tresor now? Peace, Tim on 28/1/02 7:01 pm, Ron at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi tim,, i could share your attitude concerning the what to wear topic, but i do live in germany and if you would have been to a technoparty over here in the last 3 years you would probably think the same way peter does. its such a f***huge fashion thing, its become a thing about how to wear what and how to get his hair dressed up to stand 6 inches high,,,not to mention the accesories it happened to me more than once that a absolutely clueless doorkeeper (is it called like that??) told me im not going to get to that party because im not dressed the proper way and my hair isnt styled and i dont wear that neglace you have to wear if you are into techno.and so on. you see,,,i really love to see mills teaching the crowd... because thats also what means techno or music at all for me,, learning and teachingunderstanding.. ron -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2002 19:11 RON Betreff: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
this fashion thread is pretty lame. as far as mills not playing techno anymore, that is no big thing to me, seeing how he has been to the detroit area like twice in the past seven years. he hasn't rocked it since sickness anyway, so i am not all that bent up about it. if i lived in the UK it might have more of an impact on me, cause they get to see him more often there. i have always thought of mills as an overrated techno snob..i mean why does he even have three tables if he never uses three at once. i have never seen or heard a mix of his where he didn't trainwreck. i never held that agianst him for some reason though. he could just throw on step to enchantment and that would make his set. the main thing i will miss is his use of the 909. oh well - Original Message - From: Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Fw: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! hi tim,, i could share your attitude concerning the what to wear topic, but i do live in germany and if you would have been to a technoparty over here in the last 3 years you would probably think the same way peter does. its such a f***huge fashion thing, its become a thing about how to wear what and how to get his hair dressed up to stand 6 inches high,,,not to mention the accesories it happened to me more than once that a absolutely clueless doorkeeper (is it called like that??) told me im not going to get to that party because im not dressed the proper way and my hair isnt styled and i dont wear that neglace you have to wear if you are into techno.and so on. you see,,,i really love to see mills teaching the crowd... because thats also what means techno or music at all for me,, learning and teachingunderstanding.. ron -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2002 19:11 RON Betreff: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard!
mills doesnt use a 909 in any imaginative way anyways IMO and yes he does suck at spinning records, HOWEVER, he spins the best tracks of any DJ I have heard.. thats why continue to listen to him and pay money to see him when he decided to go to detroit. hawtin is pretty good with a 909 on a good night. but for my money I would see acquaviva over Mills. plz no flames. just my opinion -Joe -- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. -- - Original Message - From: danito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! this fashion thread is pretty lame. as far as mills not playing techno anymore, that is no big thing to me, seeing how he has been to the detroit area like twice in the past seven years. he hasn't rocked it since sickness anyway, so i am not all that bent up about it. if i lived in the UK it might have more of an impact on me, cause they get to see him more often there. i have always thought of mills as an overrated techno snob..i mean why does he even have three tables if he never uses three at once. i have never seen or heard a mix of his where he didn't trainwreck. i never held that agianst him for some reason though. he could just throw on step to enchantment and that would make his set. the main thing i will miss is his use of the 909. oh well - Original Message - From: Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Fw: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! hi tim,, i could share your attitude concerning the what to wear topic, but i do live in germany and if you would have been to a technoparty over here in the last 3 years you would probably think the same way peter does. its such a f***huge fashion thing, its become a thing about how to wear what and how to get his hair dressed up to stand 6 inches high,,,not to mention the accesories it happened to me more than once that a absolutely clueless doorkeeper (is it called like that??) told me im not going to get to that party because im not dressed the proper way and my hair isnt styled and i dont wear that neglace you have to wear if you are into techno.and so on. you see,,,i really love to see mills teaching the crowd... because thats also what means techno or music at all for me,, learning and teachingunderstanding.. ron -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Gesendet: Montag, 28. Januar 2002 19:11 RON Betreff: Re: [313] Don't forget the Wizard! on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many dj's do you know that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor? Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear is too much attitude. it goes against everything that first attracted me to house music. we don't need that sort of ego, and people need to wise up and realise who is paying who's wages. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer
how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium) was that also 4 hero ? mm nice Mad'R - Original Message - From: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer 1/28/2002 5:22:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who are Manix? Manix is 4 Hero and someone else, afaikthey were on Reinforced way backwikked producers...they did Junglism 2 Hardcore and Feel Real Good Ian Scott aka DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bhpc, cheesestep rec., n.e. hardcore, raverporn.net, neverworld, boston) http://www.djentropy.comhttp://www.ne-hardcore.com Upcoming gigs: http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/upcominggigs.html There is no ONE right way to live - Daniel Quinn Producers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/us-production Educate the narrow minds, they see what they want to see. Educate the narrow minds, they feel what they want to feel. - Narra Mine - Genacide II - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer
Naw, different guy. It's actually Mainx (some guy named Iriz) not Manix on hithouse. G Mad'R wrote: how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium) was that also 4 hero ? mm nice Mad'R - Original Message - From: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer 1/28/2002 5:22:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who are Manix? Manix is 4 Hero and someone else, afaikthey were on Reinforced way backwikked producers...they did Junglism 2 Hardcore and Feel Real Good Ian Scott aka DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bhpc, cheesestep rec., n.e. hardcore, raverporn.net, neverworld, boston) http://www.djentropy.comhttp://www.ne-hardcore.com Upcoming gigs: http://www.warblevx.net/djentropy/upcominggigs.html There is no ONE right way to live - Daniel Quinn Producers: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/us-production Educate the narrow minds, they see what they want to see. Educate the narrow minds, they feel what they want to feel. - Narra Mine - Genacide II - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Detroit 1992 - Flyer
Mad'R wrote on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 about following: how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium) was that also 4 hero ? That was Mainx. sakke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Jeff Mills stars again
I can't imagine a painter being forced to express him/herself using only green. i can't expect a writer to be able to express her/himself only using verbs. i don't know about people's personal experiences while listening to jeff mills play out, but having seen him play as the Wizard last february, and hearing him play as jeff mills after derrick may in november, I am able to cast my vote. As the Wizard, jeff played techno, house, disco, hip-hop, rb, electro-bass. he seemed like he had fun behind the decks. when he played after derrick may he played hard techno and some house all night. when he played as the wizard, I had more fun, danced harder, and was simply mesmerized by the Wizard show. I wish more dj's didn't feel restricted by genres and felt more free to play what they wanted. i hope that he plays in the us more and specifically more in detroit. i hope that when he plays he isn't restricted by the reputation or genre-fication of the venue he is playing. i hope that people let him as an artist and dj do what he wants. i would put money on the fact that if you take a step back and lower your own guard, you will again be mesmerized. -sam - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now!
[313] The Remote Agency And Force Inc. Announces Algorithm Composure Tour
The Remote Agency And Force Inc. Announces Algorithm Composure Tour Composure features music from the entire current catalog of Force Lab 12 singles: Chris McCormack, Auch, G (aka G Man), Sutekh, Donnacha Costello, Safety Scissors, Jasper, kid606, Twerk, Farben, Matmos, Vita (aka Mikael Stavöstrand), AtomT, Rechenzentrum, The Posterboys Of The Apocalypse, alva.noto, Geoff White, Kit Clayton, Lowfour (aka Andreas Tilliander) and Veer. Algorithm will be on tour in support of Composure, and a variety of new projects on his Revolver Canada Imprint. April - USA May - Europe June- Asia COMPOSURE OFFICIAL RELEASE PARTIES Montreal Feb 15th @ Laika : 6-9pm Toronto Feb 28th @ Mission (Element Bar) : 10-3am LABEL: FORCE LAB RELEASE DATE: February 2002 TITLE: Force Lab Edition - Composure, Mixed By ALGORITHM Also features previously unreleased material from: Electric Birds, OZY, Rabbits, Yagya and Bizz Circuits. With over 12 years of DJing under his belt, Algorithm is undisputedly one of Canada's techno pioneers and easily one of the most skilled DJ's in N. America. His passion for emerging new sounds in electronic music have kept him a gem of the underground scene, though he can be found performing at some of the world's leading events and clubs. The Force Lab imprint has been the 12 home for both Mille Plateaux and Force Inc. artists to experiment in sounds that could work on the dance floor...through this combination, we feel one of the most innovative mix CD's has emerged. Algorithm takes the mix CD to new levels with Composure, layering and remixing over 300 loops from the catalog and re-processing them with his signature mixing style. Composure takes you to the point where over 7 different tracks are working seamlessly together! Beyond the typical click-techno and into something totally new, Composure set's a new standard for today's technology driven mix CD. Project Synopsis : Force Lab Edition - Composure Composure was designed in a multithread process with a variety of media. The original mixes were composed on Technics 1200's from the vinyl catalog releases. Unreleased material was taken from .wav files and then integrated into the mix. Each track was then discreetly edited into single instruments and loops of various lengths. Then, complimentary versions of loops were resaved with different EQ settings, transitions and effects. Each artist was initially remixed with their own material and then recombined with other artists. Over 300 loops and individual instruments were cut out of the bed mixes and recomposed. At times, 8 different Force Lab artists are layered and combined. For the final process of Composure, multiple variations of combined loops and instruments of various tracks were macrocomposed into primary sequences, continually bounced to larger macrosequences, until the end result emerged as the full length CD. For more info, please see: Composure Preview: http://www.force-lab.com/flab/ Composure For Sale: http://shop.force-inc.com Algorithm Info: http://www.remoteagency.com Algorithm Info: http://www.techno.ca/revolver For bookings and tour inquiries, please feel free to contact us or submit a booking request online at www.remoteagency.com/bookings.htm Kind Regards, The Remote Agency 1 514 739 3154 Montreal 1 905 542 9263 Toronto [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.remoteagency.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] r s song in vanilla sky
I finally saw vanilla sky this weekend There is a song playing when Tom is drunk in the club and the lasers are over his head...Not the leftfield cut I watched the credits but missed the song title but saw an r s release that I have to assume was the song in question. Anyone help me out?
Re: [313] r s song in vanilla sky
* Too Good To Be Strange by Andrea Parker and David Morley Performed by Andrea Parker / Two Sandwiches Short of a Lunchbox Courtesy of Strictly Confidential / R S Records god bless IMDB At 3:41 PM -0500 1/28/2002, Jim Grindle wrote: I finally saw vanilla sky this weekend There is a song playing when Tom is drunk in the club and the lasers are over his head...Not the leftfield cut I watched the credits but missed the song title but saw an r s release that I have to assume was the song in question. Anyone help me out? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Oliver Ho
Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I love his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the new location for tronic treatment in NYC. It's @ Baktun for all you NYC 313'ers -Pete --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Oliver Ho
Positive all the way! Last heard him in 2000 playing a really deep techno set. The best UK techno has to offer in my humble opinion! Love his records too. -- From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Oliver Ho Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 8:45 AM Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I love his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the new location for tronic treatment in NYC. It's @ Baktun for all you NYC 313'ers -Pete --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [313] Theo Parrish - These days times - tracklisting
here is what I've got Mehmet - Original Message - From: sqrrt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [313] Theo Parrish - These days times - tracklisting Got 2 more today. Part 1 - Track 4 - Tortured Soul I Might Do Something Wrong Part 2 - Track 25 - Al Hudson The Partners Spread Love sqrrt -Original Message- From: sqrrt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:09 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Theo Parrish - These days times - tracklisting Here's what I had already, plus my blanks that your email filled. Almost complete now...: Part 1 01. Those Guys feat. Ras Baraka - An American Poem 02. Theo Parrish - Unreleased 03. (Sounds like Larry Heard) - ? 04. ? - Just Another Lonely Night [majorIV ?] 05. Theo Parrish - Unreleased 06. Round Four feat. Tikiman - Find a Way 07. Blakk Society Just Another Lonely Day 08. Lil' Louis War Games 09. Theo Parrish - China Trax (Sound Signature 012) 10. ? (very nice!) 11. New Sector Movements - The Sun (Dwele's Motorcity Remix) 12. ? - (Sounds like Herbie Hancock) 13. Dinosaur L - Go Bang! (Francois K mix) 14. Fela Kuti - ? 15. Tony Allen - Afro Disco Beat 16. ? - (Sounds like Fela Kuti) 17. Roy Ayers - Running Away 18. Donald Byrd - Lansanas Priestess 19. Dexter Wansel Life On Mars Part 2 20. Ashford Simpson One More Try 21. ? - keep on doing what you do, cause it feels so good 22. ? - never let you go 23. Eddie Kendricks Goin' Up In Smoke 24. ? - family 25. ? - why don't you spread love 26. ? - high on your love/mean to be so free 27. Charles Earland Leaving This Planet 28. ? 29. Jill Scott - Slowely Surely (Theo Parrish rmx) 30. Fela Kuti - Who No Know Go Now 31. New Sector Movements - The Sun (Dwelogy remix) 32. ? - precious love (sounds like Larry Heard) 33. ? - trying to prove my love [ned doheny ?] (I know Al Hudson The Partners have a song called Prove My Love...) 34. Fela Kuti - ? 35. Theo Parrish - Dirty Rhodes (Sound Signature 015) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Oliver Ho
[Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I love his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the new location for tronic treatment in NYC. I saw him play last Friday in Chicago and he rocked it. I'd definitely recommend going. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] axis
i'm just wondering what the missing cat.#'s are from the axis website. 002,007,014 and 017 are the missing #'s, i know 007 is minimal nation. also does anyone know the track names from some of the releases (growth/humana/the other day/very and the every dog's)? basically i'm trying to cross reference what tracks are on the cd releases (the other day, from the 21st, art of connecting and lifelike). any help is appreciated kaojyan www.acidsonicresearch.com www.mp313.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] so is it really life?
From: Rusty Blasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] so is it really music? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:52:30 -0500 Taken from your perspective, being a musician helps you to get laid. Proven fact. :) An otherwordly mating call, if you will. A second functional purpose may be to express sexual frustration in a positive manner. The alleviated stress ensures the survival of the species through continued procreative capabilities. I personally choose a broader, more spiritual perspective from which to analyze the purpose of life. I've been down many roads, none of them illuminating. It's debates like these that catalyze mental instability. Rusty From: Shosh _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] so is it really music? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:53:37 + Interesting musicological prose Rusty but have you considered that if life means little other than to procreate, all we acheive means little other than to fuck. Can what we hear change the world for the better? If so how will harmony, as in sound, change our position on this earth and will it be worth the upheaval? Shosh A timely response Rusty however I do believe that all debate however challengeing should be entered into. It is only this way that our species will truly survive. Personaly I enjoy having my beliefs and opinions challenged as this truly puts my life in perspective allowing me the freedom to update my beliefs and opinions, this I believe is true evolution as simple procreation will occur anyway but allowing onesself open to critisism rarely does. As someone in an earlier article stated all music sounds similar, however it's the little differences that make them unique to us and thus music is purely subjective no wrong or right. I thank you for this insight and look forward to converseing again soon. Shosh P.S What were your choice choons of 2001 and do you like the sounds the Stereo Deluxe and Compost labels put out? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] i'm back...
yes. i'm back for a lil bit to lurk and read some posts about some techno. i've been so out of the loop on techno as i am stuck in HouseLand U.S.A. (no complaints since it's good house though.) anyone hear any good releases lately? :) curiouser and curiouser... lauryn.
Re: [313] Oliver Ho
go! his dj sets generally live up to his production in terms of style, skill, AND range. he's awesome. m [Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I love his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the new location for tronic treatment in NYC. It's @ Baktun for all you NYC 313'ers -Pete -- matt hellige [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://matt.immute.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
