Re: [313] Fade in techn0
- Original Message - From: Max Duley / ARCart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: RE: [313] Fade in techno So going back to the title of the post, what is techno to you? Is it a kit to be put together like something from IKEA, all the bits made the same so they fit..neatly...together? or what? 'Neat' is what piques the interest. It's the initial carrot that draws people in. Is criticising a techno artist for fading in a track (or adding an unusually structured section, or sticking an extra beat/bar in somewhere) not slightly barbaric? I suspect that people would take more notice of the artistic value of a fade-in techno track if it were included side-by-side with an identical, non-fade-in version of the same track. When the only version of a track is a fade-in version, it's almost like the artist PURPOSE-fully goes out of their way to antagonize the most blatantly obvious portion of their target audience--the DJs, most of whom enjoy the structured interplay of matching kicks and snares. This is somewhat discourteous on the artist's part, unless the only people you want as fans are people so die-hard that they'll take any shit you throw at them and suck it back grinning with glee. My j'accuse is pointed straight at Mills' If. I mean, I don't need much, and this is really just nit-picking, but a quiet snare, hi-hat, or even a muted kick right at the very beginning (even a good 30 seconds before the rest of the track actually becomes audible) is a little thing that goes a long way when I have less than 45 seconds left to mix and I have several tracks to choose from. Sure, it might sound like I'm creating a brand new kunt-sept-ual way of mixing or something. Then again, it might sound like I'm a fool. In a pinch, I'll pick a less discourteous track. But that's just me. :) I mean, is techno not supposed to challenge conventional art forms? Indeed, is techno not art? Well, as soon as we broaden this discussion to art and the boundaries art is supposed to cross, this discussion gets in over its own head. Last night, on CBC.ca's late-night Brave New Waves, I heard a CD-R from Japan called The Original Instrument. It was certainly novel--it used samples of voices as percussion and as melody--but the execution was so leftfield as to be alienating to my already captive and intrigued ears. They had me at 'hello'! At first, I listened out of sheer principle, but eventually it got too annoying even for me. I had to turn it off and put in a Meek CD to clear the air. Sure, there's artistic value to the fact that smoke and fog combine into smog. Sometimes, I even think the orange horizon is a mighty-splendored thing. But it's still just smog. Would you refuse to look at a great painting if you didn't like one particular brushstroke, just because it challenges the way you need to interact with it? Depends on my expectations of it. Sometimes, if that one particular brushstroke is all that is needed to restore calm and peace in our minds--two arguably desirable states of being. Or would you take the challenge and learn to adapt to new or more complex situations because it can take you and your audience to another level on the techno experience? I already know I have an open mind. Telling me otherwise (or otherwise insulting me) may be good art, but it's not effective art. Doodles are doodles. Work with me here, Mr. Mills. :) After all, we are only talking about cueing up to a kick drum aren't we? It's not that much of a challenge!! No, it's not, and I could technically wait until the track is audible to find my cue-point. But if the artist simply skipped the fade in, took the 2.5 minute actually-audible portion of the track and made THAT the track, well, then I'm still forced to choose between it and another, _slightly_ more conventional techno track. I'll choose the latter. Even the unconventional needs the framework of the conventional to base itself upon. Otherwise, it's just an un, just like Cage's silent piano piece, however valid a form of expression that may be. Tree in the forest and all that. The question here is who is the intended audience, and whether they number more than 10. But that's just me. I am no.ONE. Martin www.lunatechmusic.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE: (313) Fade In Techno
Wow, that's a really good idea! To take it a step further (or maybe not as far actually), you could sample 1-bar loops of all your DJ-unfriendly tracks, then burn them to CD. Bring it with you wherever you go, then you could loop the 1 bar, mix it in, then double up with the actual track (which would make the cue point mostly irrelevent), or you could have all three tracks in the mix (or whatever the context demands). This way when you know you're playing a booth with a CD-player, you can bring your DJ-unfriendly records too. Just a thought... I don't really find this to be a huge issue, but sometimes I screw up my sets of 32 if I rush to find the cue point and it *is* annoying. When I make tracks without a fade in, I try to get a discernable beat with a good cue point in there by the 8th or 16th bar b/c I want to make my tracks listenable and DJable. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: Mark S Flintoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jongsma; K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] RE: (313) Fade In Techno Hey Wibo... You could always throw the track into Sound Forge, re-edit it so that it's more 'DJ friendly' and burn it to CD... Just a thought, m* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jongsma; K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: [313] RE: (313) Fade In Techno Mills has a few excellent hard tracks (especially those early Axis records) that really would become instant classics and favorite DJ tools if they would just start from 1 and not with a fade in... And it's not only Mills I am talking about. W -Original Message- From: Jongsma; K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:52 PM To: Lammerts, Wibo; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Fade In Techno It is not difficult to understand. You are assuming that all techno(related) tracks are all made for DJ's. I don't think that people like drexciya are DJ's or make there music for DJ's. They music because of the music and not fot DJ's. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i am with you all the way on this. tracks that fade in are impossible to mix in correctly, unless you want to ruin the natural flow and structure of your mix. drexciya (and related projects) do this a lot too and i've never understood it. robin... A lot of the old records by Mills have tracks on them that do not start at normal volume levels, but somehow the track gets faded in. (And not only Mills of course) Am I the only one who thinks of this being a real drag? I really like a specific track from AX009 but I find it really impossible to mix when there is a monitor speaker blasting in my left ear. These are the type of records that cause major trainwrecks in my DJ sets! I consider most of Mills' stuff being really DJ friendly, but why does he produce his tracks this way? Also, anyone got tips on dealing with this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply
Re: [313] Fade In Techno
Not to beat a dead horse... --- robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi wibo, i am with you all the way on this. tracks that fade in are impossible to mix in correctly, unless you want to ruin the natural flow and structure of your mix. drexciya (and related projects) do this a lot too and i've never understood it. What about tracks that aren't at 130bpm? They must ruin your mix too huh? And tracks that don't have four solid kicks must be fucked too. Impossible to mix! What are these 'artists' thinking? Sheesh, give me a break. There's nothing difficult about mixing tracks with fade-ins. Personally I find most Mills' records the easiest to mix. Try going to some of those glitchy German (Villalobos, Isolee) or West Coast (Twerk, Safety Scissors) guys and mixing those, when you come back to techno things suddenly seem a -lot- easier. -Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Pow Wow records - was RE: [313] Fade In Techno
That Pow Wow release of Late Night was just mastered at very low volume. I actually play the DJ Pierre mix from that a lot, but the faders always are on 10 :) A lot of Red Planet material also fades in. I've always guessed that the point Mike and Jeff were trying to make is that it's important for the DJ and the DJ's needs such as mixing convenience not to be the center of attention always -- the music is the center of attention. And if I work a little harder to mix in Late Night or Particle Shower and do a good job of it, it feels like more of an accomplishment and honors the music that much more. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] What Is Cheese?
It's strange when people use this term - that's cheesy, this is cheesy. What is the general definition of cheese within a 313 context? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 16 / 32 beats (was: RE: (313) Fade In Techno)
4/4 four to tha floor a,b,c,d,...a,b,c,d,a,b,c,d,a,b, fade ins are no hinderance at all just match the letters at any point further into the track .you dont have to do that even. try matching a and c or b and d. then flick the crossfader half a dozen times on the offbeats i know a lot of scared m.f.s who don't buy a record because it has a fade in... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: [313] 16 / 32 beats (was: RE: (313) Fade In Techno) Well, I could take this to another level by saying that all records that I play out are records that are produced in a strict 16 or 32 beat counter (I don't know if this is clearly explained to everyone, I mean records in which nothing new pops up until the end of the 16 or 32 counts). Really DJ friendly stuff, and NOT necesarrily boring. Most of the Drexciya shit does not fit in my set, so I only play it at home. W -Original Message- From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: Lammerts, Wibo; 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Fade In Techno I'm confused by this thread. I can understand why people mixing a lot of loops might complain about fade ins, but it sounds a bit strange coming from Djs who play Mills and Drexciya records. Do you guys always mix a record right from the start, or what's the problem with selecting a more mixable part of the record? Its important to remember that these tracks aren't just made for mixing and any that are tend to be lacking IMO... Sean. robin pinning wrote: hi wibo, i am with you all the way on this. tracks that fade in are impossible to mix in correctly, unless you want to ruin the natural flow and structure of your mix. drexciya (and related projects) do this a lot too and i've never understood it. robin... A lot of the old records by Mills have tracks on them that do not start at normal volume levels, but somehow the track gets faded in. (And not only Mills of course) Am I the only one who thinks of this being a real drag? I really like a specific track from AX009 but I find it really impossible to mix when there is a monitor speaker blasting in my left ear. These are the type of records that cause major trainwrecks in my DJ sets! I consider most of Mills' stuff being really DJ friendly, but why does he produce his tracks this way? Also, anyone got tips on dealing with this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Groovetech Gear Contest...
Don't snooze on this one...our contest ends March 10th. The Groovetech Mother Lode Grand Prize: A pair of Technics SL1200 M3D turntables, Allen Heath's Xone 464 desktop/rackmount professional club mixer, a pair of Technics RP-DJ 1200A DJ headphones, a set of Shure M35X cartidges and a Groovetech padded DJ bag filled with records, hoodies and t-shirts from a bunch of top record labels. Participating labels: Compost, F-Communications, Fenetik, Finger Lickin, Hospital, Hooj, Mantra, Ninja Tune, Novamute, Soma, Warp, XL and Zenit. http://www.groovetech.com/contest - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] black water with vocals?
Originally I thought it was called Untold as it was on Blackwater EP on 430 west. It has since I think featured Anne Saunderson vocal and Kev remix. But I prefer the later Kaotic Spatial Rhythms remix myself. Go on, give our lil' brother a bash. No. go on. No. go on, everyone else has. Oh alright then. - Original Message - From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Wasn't the Blackwater with vocals the original? I have the release on 430 west by Octave One with the instrumental on one side and Ann Saunderson singing vocals on the other side. IMO - those vocals are excellent. If you're talking about a vocal that just says, balckwater over the background, that's very E-dancer sounding - it's actually the e-dancer remix also out on 430 west. Those vocals are pretty hairy IMO. There's also a new Octave one remix of the tune that is supposed to be the strings remix. Haven't heard it, but Mike Taylor was supposed to play it on his show last weekend - maybe he can shed some light. Dennis -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:29 AM To: Neil Wallace Cc: 313 Subject: Re: [313] black water with vocals? Wednesday, February 27, 2002, 9:25:37 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: NW i was in hmv on saturday and heard black water with a (IMHO) pretty duff NW female vocal slapped on top - what is this? Was it the Ann Saunderson vocal mix? Just open your heart, open your mind, let the love flow let the sun shine? That's been out for a while now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] black water with vocals?
Tell you what, isn't it the greatest thing when you see a compilation released as 'Best Funk Album in the World Ever'.part 6? I love to buy paradoxs. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: [313] black water with vocals? Is S-Express the best Acid tune ever? Is 'Jaguar' The best UR tune ever? No, but because of the seemingly random mechanics of the commercial dance industry, these tunes end up getting held up above the rest, doomed to appear on endless 'best ever in the world part 34...etc' compilations for the rest of eternity, when they are anything but!. I for one can't really figure it out. Stewart ___ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only £12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)
Producers bending their tracks to the will of the DJ is precisely why so much techno has been hurriedly chewing itself in an ever-deepening rut for the past few years. I like songs. Some of my tracks don't even start with drums. What nerve I've got. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Current 02.23.02 (Octave One Feature)
Hello, I was joined by Lenny and Lawrence Burden of Octave One on the 23rd. The first hour of the show was spent listening to their biggest hits and discussing their history and musical evolution from 1989 to the present. For the second hour, the Burden's were kind enough to bring new 430 West related material, most of which had been previously heard by anyone not directly involved in their camp. We finished the show with the very recently recorded Strings and Vocals Remix of Octave One's current hit single, Blackwater. For more info: http://www.430west.com I would like to take this time to publicly thank the Burden's for taking time out of their extremely busy schedules to appear on Current. It was a genuine pleasure to have them on the show, and I personally learned a great deal from their perspectives on music. It was definitely one of the most entertaining nights I have had doing the show. Octave One will be doing a Live PA for Mixworks at Porter Street in Detroit on Thursday evening. If you like good music from Detroit, it would probably be a good idea to show up. For more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Playlist 02.23.02: Hour One: The Past I Believe-Octave One (The Collective) 430 West Falling In Dub-Random Noise Generation (Links In The Chain) 430 West Nicolette-Octave One (The Collective) 430 West Black Water-Octave One (Blackwater) Concept Music Hour Two: The Future Justin Robertson-Everpresent(Octave One Dub Remix) (Unreleased) Kaotic Spatial Rhythms-Juanita (Unreleased) Random Noise Generation-Total Recall (Unreleased) Octave One Vs. The Tramps-Feet Don't Fail Me Now(Vocal Mix) (Unreleased) Random Noise Generation-Genesis (Unreleased) Octave One-Blackwater(Strings and Vocals mix) (Unreleased) Current is a radio show dedicated to promoting the finest electronic music from Detroit and across the globe. Current broadcasts in the Detroit/Windsor metropolitan area on Saturday evenings from Midnight to Two AM on CJAM 91.5 FM. Current can be heard across the planet in streaming format at: http://zeus.uwindsor.ca/cjam/index.html Thanks again to everyone who supports underground electronic music in Detroit. Take care, Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St.cloud
Mark, Ask yourself this: If Anyone other than Octave 1 had done this vox version, how much would you respect it? My suspicion is that the 'halo' effect of it being O1 engendered by the superb body of work which the brothers have previously supplied, helps some to see this as outstanding. I disagree (although I haven't heard the new mix apparently recorded here - a few days ago) ... O1 and others have done and can do much better ... -Original Message- From: Ja'Maul Redmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:11 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St.cloud I'm not a big fan of the vocal black water track. It doesn't sound like the vocals were written with the track. It sounds like an add on instead of a completely new mix. Also,, I must say that i'm disappointed with the soundtrack to the comic book. with a few exceptions the c.d. sounds like outakes instead of fresh material. The Marco Passarani track is the obvious stand-out. And Although,,, mills, walker,and the advent add some good tracks,, All together they don't make a good soundtrack. -Original Message- From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:52 PM To: Brian 'balistic' Prince; Neil Wallace Cc: 313 Subject: Re: [313] black water with vocals? Duff vocal?? Frankly I quite like it and have played it out quite a bit What is the general consensus on this though? I am intrigued... Cheers, m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) Fade In Techno
That's strange, I once got to see Artful Dodger (yeah yeah I know, but I was there for Satoshi Tomiie) and his, Pete Devereux, mixing didn't seem hard at all. I actually consider mixing UK Garage being a walk in the park, as to techno which really can be a real challenge. W -Original Message- From: Odeluga; Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:05 AM To: Dave Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Fade In Techno I have a younger brother who is more 0207 than 313 (0207 is the inner-London 'phone prefix) ... meaning he's more into (forgive me) speed cabbage than Detroit-related stuff. But no matter what you think of it - you've REALLY got to be switched on to mix it well. Mostly it's breaks. I arrogantly took a turn with his stuff once thinking, 'Pah! This should be a walk in the park,' but the breaks, sudden stops frequent vocals meant it took me at least 15 mins to get my stride I could not relax once ... we 313s buffered by variations around a basic 4/4 beat (mostly), have grown a little complacent about how convenient a dj tool should be ... (imho, natch). ... u should try drum bass ;¬D - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Felton Howard?
Felton Howard anyone? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] black water with vocals?
Scott McGill: But I prefer the later Kaotic Spatial Rhythms remix myself. so do i. it's got a certain rawness about it. in comparison i find the EDancer remixes to be pretty average - EDancer by numbers, if i was gonna be harsh. i'd also agree with whoever said that there's just something about the track that doesn't quite sound right, like the vocal just doesn't sit squarely over the top. it sounds like the vocal is an add-on, which it is of course. the new mix should be interesting mind... looking forward to hearing that one. rob _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) black water with vocals?
Last weekend I heard Claussell play the vocal mix. It blew me away. W -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:37 PM To: Yair Etziony [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; Rob Theakston [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; 313 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? I like the record as well, I like the vocal on it though it's not the best vocal I've ever heard, or even that great of a vocal but it's pretty good. As someone already said the record isn't even one of Octave One's best so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Is it being hyped up in Europe or something? I don't think I've heard it outside of my home in NY... Eric At 10:28 PM 2/27/2002 +0200, Yair Etziony wrote: r they like trying to make this record into this years jaguar??? Y ps-i like the ann saunderson vocal version:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:20 PM To: Rob Theakston Cc: Neil Wallace; 313 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? They also just recorded a version with live strings and percussion that should be out soon. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Rob Theakston wrote: that's kevin saunderson's wife, ann. i believe it is out on 430 west. -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:26 AM To: 313 Subject: [313] black water with vocals? i was in hmv on saturday and heard black water with a (IMHO) pretty duff female vocal slapped on top - what is this? neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St.cloud
Dunno what to tell you Ken... I like the vocal, the full one on the concept release that is. I make no apologies for liking it either. I understand the track is getting played a lot on your side of the pond and I would imagine hearing it all the time would become quite tiresome. Personally I would like a dub version of the vocal as the original is a just too much if I am not in the mood for it. I'm not saying it's my favorite Octave One track though, not by a long shot. I love the Burden's productions as a general rule and choosing a favorite would be hard, it's just something that moves me. Laters... m* - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ja'Maul Redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org; Mark S Flintoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:19 AM Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St.cloud Mark, Ask yourself this: If Anyone other than Octave 1 had done this vox version, how much would you respect it? My suspicion is that the 'halo' effect of it being O1 engendered by the superb body of work which the brothers have previously supplied, helps some to see this as outstanding. I disagree (although I haven't heard the new mix apparently recorded here - a few days ago) ... O1 and others have done and can do much better ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] (313) black water with vocals?
Wibo Last weekend I heard Claussell play the vocal mix. It blew me away. Exactly, at the right time in the right place it is that sort of a track for me. 'Halo effect', 'tacked on' feeling and all;-) I don't like the track because it's from Octave One, and I don't like it because it's perfectly produced (it's not)...I just like it. m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] (313) Fade In Techno / re-edits
Exactly my point Tristan... As anyone who knows me knows I am long-time fan and friend of one D. Tenaglia. Though I am disappointed with the progressive shite he's been playing of late - thankfully here in NYC @ Vinyl he doesn't actually play as much of that as I'm told he does abroad. Danny has been doing subtle re-edits, with Pro-Tools, of all manner of tracks, burning them on CD-R and using them in his sets for like 4 years now. I love it when I hear something out on the dancefloor that I love and it's just a bit different (and a lot of times even better)! At this point I would say he spins about 50% CDs and most of them are tailored by him, for him, as well. A couple of DT's edits that stand out in my mind are a nice one of Microworld's Signals, and a version of the original mix of Plastic Dreams that ditches all the cheesy piano crap at the end and stretches the 'good' part out quite a bit. It's a great way to mark yourself out from the pack IMHO - even if the only ones picking up on it are the few of us really know the music. Once I actually get my Sony VAIO set up right I plan on burning some edits of my own. I quite fancy extended versions of some of my favorite Mills tracks. With all the bickering over this thread I feel I oughta reiterate my feeling that I look on mixing tracks with a fade-in as a challenge. Yeah it's a pain in the ass to get it right, but when you do manage it, it feels (and sounds) pretty damn nice!=) The trick I use if the monitors are too damn loud, and others use as well I am sure, is matching BPMs in the middle of the track and then pumping the gain and/or the levels up to cue the beginning of the track up, then turning 'em down to where they oughta be as you bring the track in. Having said that, on those nights I am not really on it I would appreciate having a more 'friendly' version available;) Dave Clark wrote: Try going to some of those glitchy German (Villalobos, Isolee) or West Coast (Twerk, Safety Scissors) guys and mixing those, when you come back to techno things suddenly seem a -lot- easier. I have to agree with that completely Dave...I would add Brinkman to that list as well;-) If you're making an un-mixed compilation for yourself, which I do from time to time as it's nice to hear the whole track, the fade-in tracks are actually preferable to those that bang in from the start. Sorry if this post isn't terribly coherent but I am a little drunk and tired... Cheers, m* NP - http://www.klubradio.de/rams/robhood.ram (So nice!) Wow, that's a really good idea! To take it a step further (or maybe not as far actually), you could sample 1-bar loops of all your DJ-unfriendly tracks, then burn them to CD. Bring it with you wherever you go, then you could loop the 1 bar, mix it in, then double up with the actual track (which would make the cue point mostly irrelevent), or you could have all three tracks in the mix (or whatever the context demands). This way when you know you're playing a booth with a CD-player, you can bring your DJ-unfriendly records too. Just a thought... I don't really find this to be a huge issue, but sometimes I screw up my sets of 32 if I rush to find the cue point and it *is* annoying. When I make tracks without a fade in, I try to get a discernable beat with a good cue point in there by the 8th or 16th bar b/c I want to make my tracks listenable and DJable. Tristan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] re: Fade In Techno
I honestly can't believe anyone's having this conversation. I mean hey why can't we complain about the shuffling on the Red Planet records which always puts me off. The fact that May's records always seem to have a weak drum which is hard to hear in a club. that long stretch in Empower without any beats which never kicks back in on time... because they're just fucking records for christ's sake. I mean how easy do you want it to be? it's a fade in... You're a DJ... deal with it... that's your job. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (313) Fade In Techno / re-edits
From: Mark S Flintoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Subject: [313] (313) Fade In Techno / re-edits Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:19:37 -0500 Exactly my point Tristan... As anyone who knows me knows I am long-time fan and friend of one D. Tenaglia. Though I am disappointed with the progressive shite he's been playing of late - thankfully here in NYC @ Vinyl he doesn't actually play as much of that as I'm told he does abroad. Danny has been doing subtle re-edits, with Pro-Tools, of all manner of tracks, burning them on CD-R and using them in his sets for like 4 years now. I love it when I hear something out on the dancefloor that I love and it's just a bit different (and a lot of times even better)! At this point I would say he spins about 50% CDs and most of them are tailored by him, for him, as well. A couple of DT's edits that stand out in my mind are a nice one of Microworld's Signals, and a version of the original mix of Plastic Dreams that ditches all the cheesy piano crap at the end and stretches the 'good' part out quite a bit. It's a great way to mark yourself out from the pack IMHO - even if the only ones picking up on it are the few of us really know the music. Once I actually get my Sony VAIO set up right I plan on burning some edits of my own. I quite fancy extended versions of some of my favorite Mills tracks. i think it's cool to go into the studio and do an unofficial remix of a track, which you can then play out on dubplate or CD, but only if you do something really interesting with it (new samples, bassline etc) ...but if it's just going to be a basic re-edit, why not just do live remixing with 2 copies of the 12? isn't that what djing is supposed to be about? i spin oldskool hardcore/jungle, however, so what do i know about techno mixing =) i'm not sure what all the fuss is about those tracks that start with fades ? lots of my favorite tracks start like that (maybe it's more common in oldskool jungle), and if i want to mix quick, i just skip the fade and go straight to the first drop, or just bring it in right off the top, once the beats are locked - sometimes those jungle producers would do funny chaotic things with the tracks though... stops and starts, multiple breakdowns, vocals, changeups, etc etc -which means you have to really know your records Liam -Recoil hardcore * jungle * drum and bass Toronto, Canada ICQ: 98984143 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] RE: (313) black water with vocals?
if I'm not mistaken, Joe Claussell was mixing up the vocal mix together with another version of 'Black Water' and he kept it going for like ten minutes, switching from one to another, and it was pure heaven! fitted perfectly into that Body Soul luv vibe he was creating. great dj, it's been a long time since I've heard 'Tainted Love/Where did our love go' on a dancefloor :) koen --- BEATS @ KindaMuzik http://www.kindamuzik.net/beats -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 28 februari 2002 9:03 Aan: 313 Onderwerp: [313] RE: (313) black water with vocals? Last weekend I heard Claussell play the vocal mix. It blew me away. W -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:37 PM To: Yair Etziony [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; Rob Theakston [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; 313 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? I like the record as well, I like the vocal on it though it's not the best vocal I've ever heard, or even that great of a vocal but it's pretty good. As someone already said the record isn't even one of Octave One's best so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Is it being hyped up in Europe or something? I don't think I've heard it outside of my home in NY... Eric At 10:28 PM 2/27/2002 +0200, Yair Etziony wrote: r they like trying to make this record into this years jaguar??? Y ps-i like the ann saunderson vocal version:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:20 PM To: Rob Theakston Cc: Neil Wallace; 313 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? They also just recorded a version with live strings and percussion that should be out soon. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Rob Theakston wrote: that's kevin saunderson's wife, ann. i believe it is out on 430 west. -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:26 AM To: 313 Subject: [313] black water with vocals? i was in hmv on saturday and heard black water with a (IMHO) pretty duff female vocal slapped on top - what is this? neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Los Hermanos
I think you're way ahead of the curve on three counts Ryan ... pls give more
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Subject: [313] Los Hermanos
{{Sorry if this was already discussed previously}}
Has anyone heard any of the new dj Rolando 12 Birth of 3000 (cat.# LH-1)
due out soon on Los Hermanos?
Is this his new label?
`Ryan`
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Re: [313] Fade in techn0
In a message dated 2/28/02 12:28:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ- did I miss something here? When did DJ's become so F**king important? I have NEVER thought about what a DJ would think of any of my tracks- I don't think Larry Heard was thinking about DJ's when he wrote Amnesia- he was creating truly beautiful, crafted pieces of music for PEOPLE to listen to and maybe even dance. Reminds me of a Classical Music story: Beethoven was once confronted by a violinist who complained that Beethoven's Violin Concerto was too difficult to perform. The annoyed Beethoven replied something like: Do you really believe that I think about your silly fingers when I write music? The technical level required to play the concerto in now pretty standard for anyone worthy of the title virtuoso. mediadrome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade in techn0
on 28/2/02 12:47 pm, robin pinning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. fair play man. i've been a member for a couple of years now but i'm thinking about un-subbing just because of some people's elitist attitudes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] new UR!
BT: I think Ryan got this from the sneak preview to the new Submerge ordering site sent out to those who joined the mailing list. using the very same approach as Ryan, look what i found... UR-3000 Aspiration 12 (order now) Coming Soon $5.99 spring's on the way, and so's a new UR 12!!! rob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Conversation Peace (was 'Fade To Techno', apparently)
Peeps are taking this far too seriously, non? It's music, there primarily for enjoyment. It was not created for the sake of war and aggression and enmity! If someone mildly observes that they are having problems mixing with a certain track, give thanks, for that man is your brother ;o) ... seriously, I doubt any of the artists chided for their un dj-like tools would defend themselves as ferociously as some we've read here. Why would that be? -Original Message- From: Tim Maughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Fade in techn0 on 28/2/02 12:47 pm, robin pinning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. fair play man. i've been a member for a couple of years now but i'm thinking about un-subbing just because of some people's elitist attitudes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals?
Naaah, is this true? I heard a female voice singing something about Black Water! Otto? W -Original Message- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Koen_Mari=EBn?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:52 AM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] RE: (313) black water with vocals? if I'm not mistaken, Joe Claussell was mixing up the vocal mix together with another version of 'Black Water' and he kept it going for like ten minutes, switching from one to another, and it was pure heaven! fitted perfectly into that Body Soul luv vibe he was creating. great dj, it's been a long time since I've heard 'Tainted Love/Where did our love go' on a dancefloor :) koen --- BEATS @ KindaMuzik http://www.kindamuzik.net/beats -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 28 februari 2002 9:03 Aan: 313 Onderwerp: [313] RE: (313) black water with vocals? Last weekend I heard Claussell play the vocal mix. It blew me away. W -Original Message- From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:37 PM To: Yair Etziony [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; Rob Theakston [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1; 313 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? I like the record as well, I like the vocal on it though it's not the best vocal I've ever heard, or even that great of a vocal but it's pretty good. As someone already said the record isn't even one of Octave One's best so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Is it being hyped up in Europe or something? I don't think I've heard it outside of my home in NY... Eric At 10:28 PM 2/27/2002 +0200, Yair Etziony wrote: r they like trying to make this record into this years jaguar??? Y ps-i like the ann saunderson vocal version:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:20 PM To: Rob Theakston Cc: Neil Wallace; 313 Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? They also just recorded a version with live strings and percussion that should be out soon. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Rob Theakston wrote: that's kevin saunderson's wife, ann. i believe it is out on 430 west. -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:26 AM To: 313 Subject: [313] black water with vocals? i was in hmv on saturday and heard black water with a (IMHO) pretty duff female vocal slapped on top - what is this? neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Conversation Peace (was 'Fade To Techno', apparently)
... seriously, I doubt any of the artists chided for their un dj-like tools would defend themselves as ferociously as some we've read here. Why would that be? maybe because they have nothing to prove..? fab. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud
WELL, since i haven't read a comic book since I was 12 I didn't make a comment on it. It wasn't entertaining to me at all. But I don't know if I can give it a fair accessment. I bought everything for the music. -Original Message- From: Pryor, Ryan N [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:23 PM To: 'Ja'Maul Redmond' Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud I think you are forgetting you paid $14 for a comic book and received a free CD. Thats how I look at it. Is the comic good stuff? ~Ryan~ -Original Message- From: Ja'Maul Redmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud I'm not a big fan of the vocal black water track. It doesn't sound like the vocals were written with the track. It sounds like an add on instead of a completely new mix. Also,, I must say that i'm disappointed with the soundtrack to the comic book. with a few exceptions the c.d. sounds like outakes instead of fresh material. The Marco Passarani track is the obvious stand-out. And Although,,, mills, walker,and the advent add some good tracks,, All together they don't make a good soundtrack. -Original Message- From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:52 PM To: Brian 'balistic' Prince; Neil Wallace Cc: 313 Subject: Re: [313] black water with vocals? Duff vocal?? Frankly I quite like it and have played it out quite a bit What is the general consensus on this though? I am intrigued... Cheers, m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud
Would you say it was more of a graphic novel (e.g. Heavy Metal Magazine) or just a comic? Just curious Given Alan's age, I would expect a more mature style comic but I could be mistaken...anyone have any reviews of the comic itself? Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net -Original Message- From: Ja'Maul Redmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:26 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud WELL, since i haven't read a comic book since I was 12 I didn't make a comment on it. It wasn't entertaining to me at all. But I don't know if I can give it a fair accessment. I bought everything for the music. -Original Message- From: Pryor, Ryan N [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:23 PM To: 'Ja'Maul Redmond' Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud I think you are forgetting you paid $14 for a comic book and received a free CD. Thats how I look at it. Is the comic good stuff? ~Ryan~ -Original Message- From: Ja'Maul Redmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud I'm not a big fan of the vocal black water track. It doesn't sound like the vocals were written with the track. It sounds like an add on instead of a completely new mix. Also,, I must say that i'm disappointed with the soundtrack to the comic book. with a few exceptions the c.d. sounds like outakes instead of fresh material. The Marco Passarani track is the obvious stand-out. And Although,,, mills, walker,and the advent add some good tracks,, All together they don't make a good soundtrack. -Original Message- From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:52 PM To: Brian 'balistic' Prince; Neil Wallace Cc: 313 Subject: Re: [313] black water with vocals? Duff vocal?? Frankly I quite like it and have played it out quite a bit What is the general consensus on this though? I am intrigued... Cheers, m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] New UR!!
Also - did anyone else notice the cool new feature on the new UR site - the fact that you can look at the actual label of the record by clicking on the catalog number? That's pretty swell, especially if you remember your records by what the label looks like. Cheers, Dennis
Re: [313] New UR!!
Also - did anyone else notice the cool new feature on the new UR site - the fact that you can look at the actual label of the record by clicking on the catalog number? That's pretty swell, especially if you remember your records by what the label looks like. i'm sure the old site had that tooit's a shame they don't have nice long sound samples on there really (RA files or similar low qulaity just for checking whether you like the tune or not) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New UR!!
robin: i'm sure the old site had that too i think the current version of the site has the inner labels in it's catalog section (http://www.submerge.com/catalog/catalog.htm) but the old site, going back 6 months and longer, didn't. it's a shame they don't have nice long sound samples on there really (RA files or similar low qulaity just for checking whether you like the tune or not) yeah, that'd be cool! has anyone else viewed the Flash preview they've got on there - http://www.submerge.com/sneakpreveiw/promo.html? what are the odds that the first piece of music, before Shake It Baby comes in, is the new UR? hmmm... sounds like Hi-Tech Funk to me. :) rob _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade in techn0
In a message dated 2/28/02 4:48:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. this is only a discussion on fade ins. there is no need for effing and blinding and dissing other peoples ability just because they have an opinion that differs to yours. Surely you can't be talking about my post/reply which you quoted. There was no effing and blinding and dissing other peoples ability,..Perhaps you consider that your particular level of DJing to be the max technical level for list discussions and any producer who requires more is dissing ? I don't think so.I just relayed a musical story which among other things shows how technical levels are raised through the ages - by composers asking for more ability. the below only correlates to fade ins in techno if the fade in on a techno track takes techno (or the djing of that techno track) to a new level in terms of the listening/dancing experience. i don't believe fade ins do this. It would seem to be a new level for you.I recall a time when beat matching and the seamless mix were also difficult to achieve. of course many of the people who've expressed an opinion that fade ins ruin a lot of their favorite tracks easily have the technical ability to work around it but that wasn't the original point. Huh?? I'm missing something??? If favorite tracks have a fade in, how does the fade ruin a lot of favorite tracks if they have the technical ability to work around it ??? The track IS what the track IS- NOT -what the DJ thinks it should be or wants it to be. HAPPY MIXING :) mediadrome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) Fade in techn0
THANX robin W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Fade in techn0 the below only correlates to fade ins in techno if the fade in on a techno track takes techno (or the djing of that techno track) to a new level in terms of the listening/dancing experience. i don't believe fade ins do this. also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. this is only a discussion on fade ins. there is no need for effing and blinding and dissing other peoples ability just because they have an opinion that differs to yours. of course many of the people who've expressed an opinion that fade ins ruin a lot of their favorite tracks easily have the technical ability to work around it but that wasn't the original point. the point is if i want to keep the music i play 'musical' (and not some experiment in sound design that must be challenging to the ear and ass) it is nice if i can keep the mix within certain musical boundaries so it sounds musical (and no this doesn't mean boring, pretty much all dance music is 4/4 time signature anyway yet we all pretty much agree that dance music is not boring, why else would you be on the list) all this is just my opinion tho, if you've read this far you can have yours too now. it won't upset me enough to start swearing :) peace robin... Reminds me of a Classical Music story: Beethoven was once confronted by a violinist who complained that Beethoven's Violin Concerto was too difficult to perform. The annoyed Beethoven replied something like: Do you really believe that I think about your silly fingers when I write music? The technical level required to play the concerto in now pretty standard for anyone worthy of the title virtuoso. mediadrome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] robin... -- Dr. Robin Pinning | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manchester Computing, University of Manchester, | T: +44 161 275 7028 Manchester, M13 9PL, United Kingdom.| F: +44 161 275 6040 --www.mrccs.man.ac.uk- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] fade to grey
does anybody in sydney, australia have a copy of fade to grey - visage for sale or trade? must be pressed as twelve ep thanx dadebonair - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [313] RE: (313) Fade in techn0 THANX robin W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INET-1 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org at INET-1 Subject: RE: [313] Fade in techn0 the below only correlates to fade ins in techno if the fade in on a techno track takes techno (or the djing of that techno track) to a new level in terms of the listening/dancing experience. i don't believe fade ins do this. also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. this is only a discussion on fade ins. there is no need for effing and blinding and dissing other peoples ability just because they have an opinion that differs to yours. of course many of the people who've expressed an opinion that fade ins ruin a lot of their favorite tracks easily have the technical ability to work around it but that wasn't the original point. the point is if i want to keep the music i play 'musical' (and not some experiment in sound design that must be challenging to the ear and ass) it is nice if i can keep the mix within certain musical boundaries so it sounds musical (and no this doesn't mean boring, pretty much all dance music is 4/4 time signature anyway yet we all pretty much agree that dance music is not boring, why else would you be on the list) all this is just my opinion tho, if you've read this far you can have yours too now. it won't upset me enough to start swearing :) peace robin... Reminds me of a Classical Music story: Beethoven was once confronted by a violinist who complained that Beethoven's Violin Concerto was too difficult to perform. The annoyed Beethoven replied something like: Do you really believe that I think about your silly fingers when I write music? The technical level required to play the concerto in now pretty standard for anyone worthy of the title virtuoso. mediadrome - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] robin... -- Dr. Robin Pinning | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manchester Computing, University of Manchester, | T: +44 161 275 7028 Manchester, M13 9PL, United Kingdom.| F: +44 161 275 6040 --www.mrccs.man.ac.uk- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] black water with vocals? Sexy Adventures of orietta St .cloud
All together they don't make a good soundtrack. What is a good soundtrack? Soundtracks are almost exclusively a bunch of licensed tracks coming together for a chance meeting in film and then on CD. Scores on the other hand specifically accentuate the narrative. If you're judging Orietta as a score, I can understand. But it's not labeled that way. -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Current 02.23.02 (Octave One Feature)
Octave One will be doing a Live PA for Mixworks to clarify for those of you coming tonight, it will be more of an extended DJ set than a traditional live PA from what I understand. here is a link to an interview with Octave One in this week's Real Detroit--come join us tonight at Porter St. http://www.getrealdetroit.com/articles/article.php?id=741 keleigh From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] Current 02.23.02 (Octave One Feature) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:25:34 -0500 Hello, I was joined by Lenny and Lawrence Burden of Octave One on the 23rd. The first hour of the show was spent listening to their biggest hits and discussing their history and musical evolution from 1989 to the present. For the second hour, the Burden's were kind enough to bring new 430 West related material, most of which had been previously heard by anyone not directly involved in their camp. We finished the show with the very recently recorded Strings and Vocals Remix of Octave One's current hit single, Blackwater. For more info: http://www.430west.com I would like to take this time to publicly thank the Burden's for taking time out of their extremely busy schedules to appear on Current. It was a genuine pleasure to have them on the show, and I personally learned a great deal from their perspectives on music. It was definitely one of the most entertaining nights I have had doing the show. Octave One will be doing a Live PA for Mixworks at Porter Street in Detroit on Thursday evening. If you like good music from Detroit, it would probably be a good idea to show up. For more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Playlist 02.23.02: Hour One: The Past I Believe-Octave One (The Collective) 430 West Falling In Dub-Random Noise Generation (Links In The Chain) 430 West Nicolette-Octave One (The Collective) 430 West Black Water-Octave One (Blackwater) Concept Music Hour Two: The Future Justin Robertson-Everpresent(Octave One Dub Remix) (Unreleased) Kaotic Spatial Rhythms-Juanita (Unreleased) Random Noise Generation-Total Recall (Unreleased) Octave One Vs. The Tramps-Feet Don't Fail Me Now(Vocal Mix) (Unreleased) Random Noise Generation-Genesis (Unreleased) Octave One-Blackwater(Strings and Vocals mix) (Unreleased) Current is a radio show dedicated to promoting the finest electronic music from Detroit and across the globe. Current broadcasts in the Detroit/Windsor metropolitan area on Saturday evenings from Midnight to Two AM on CJAM 91.5 FM. Current can be heard across the planet in streaming format at: http://zeus.uwindsor.ca/cjam/index.html Thanks again to everyone who supports underground electronic music in Detroit. Take care, Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New UR!!
has anyone else viewed the Flash preview they've got on there - http://www.submerge.com/sneakpreveiw/promo.html? what are the odds that the first piece of music, before Shake It Baby comes in, is the new UR? hmmm... sounds like Hi-Tech Funk to me. :) naw, that's a Drexciya cut. :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] FS: My recording rig
BIG SALE!!! EVERYTHING'S Priced to GO!!! It's all gotta go! Look at these prices, I MUST BE CRAZY!!! Anyways... Roland R8mkII w/Voice Crystal RAM card - $350 Roland JX3P wPG200 - $350 Sequential Multi-Trak - $200 Yamaha TX7 - $100 Yamaha TX81z - $100 Yamaha TG55 - $200 Peavey Deltafex Twin - $75 Alesis NanoVerb - $50 Alesis 3630 - $100 Behringer 1604A mixer - $150 ProCo Rat - $25 5 space rack case - $50 The Sequential's pitch bend doesn't work, but it responds to it via midi. The battery in it will also be replaced before sale. Most prices are negotiable. I prefer a Metro Detroit area pickup (Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti included). Peace y'all. George Jones Technical Services Administrator PentaMark Worldwide
Re: [313] New UR!!
Dan: naw, that's a Drexciya cut. curses, out-spotted, heh. :) which track is it - i don't recognise it - something old, something borrowed, or something new? rob _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New UR!!
sounds like the first 12 on Shockwave. It's not Depressurization, which is my fave, but which one? -d At 2:41 PM + 2/28/2002, rob webb wrote: Dan: naw, that's a Drexciya cut. curses, out-spotted, heh. :) which track is it - i don't recognise it - something old, something borrowed, or something new? rob _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New UR!!
Dan: sounds like the first 12 on Shockwave. It's not Depressurization, which is my fave, but which one? i've not played that one in ages. i'll have to dig it out when i get home after work. :) i must listen to my records more often... i must listen to my records more often... i must listen to my records more often... i must listen to my records more often... i must listen to my records more often... rob _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] New UR!!
is it seaquake? if so this will be the first time ive not been beaten to an answer :) neil :-Original Message- :From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:00 PM :To: rob webb; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: [313] New UR!! : : :sounds like the first 12 on Shockwave. It's not Depressurization, :which is my fave, but which one? : :-d : :At 2:41 PM + 2/28/2002, rob webb wrote: :Dan: : :naw, that's a Drexciya cut. : :curses, out-spotted, heh. :) which track is it - i don't recognise :it - something old, something borrowed, or something new? : : : :rob : : :_ :Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] New UR!!
Submerge webmistress says its Seaquake. From: Neil Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED], rob webb [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] New UR!! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:10:58 - is it seaquake? if so this will be the first time ive not been beaten to an answer :) neil :-Original Message- :From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:00 PM :To: rob webb; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: [313] New UR!! : : :sounds like the first 12 on Shockwave. It's not Depressurization, :which is my fave, but which one? : :-d : :At 2:41 PM + 2/28/2002, rob webb wrote: :Dan: : :naw, that's a Drexciya cut. : :curses, out-spotted, heh. :) which track is it - i don't recognise :it - something old, something borrowed, or something new? : : : :rob : : :_ :Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals?
as far as i know Otto is male but maybe if you adjust the right settings? At 28-2-2002 +0100 13:29, you wrote: Naaah, is this true? I heard a female voice singing something about Black Water! Otto? W .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
RE: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals?
i'd pay to hear a version of Otto singing Black Water...but only if the rest of the TT's dress up in drag and sing backup. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals? as far as i know Otto is male but maybe if you adjust the right settings? At 28-2-2002 +0100 13:29, you wrote: Naaah, is this true? I heard a female voice singing something about Black Water! Otto? W .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals?
Sssshhhttt.. you just told the big suprise act for DEMF 2002! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rob Theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 28 februari 2002 16:23 Aan: marsel; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals? i'd pay to hear a version of Otto singing Black Water...but only if the rest of the TT's dress up in drag and sing backup. -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] RE: (313) RE: (313) black water with vocals? as far as i know Otto is male but maybe if you adjust the right settings? At 28-2-2002 +0100 13:29, you wrote: Naaah, is this true? I heard a female voice singing something about Black Water! Otto? W .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)
I was just thinking about how odd this discussion is. Any other musician in any other genre makes music for one purpose, for ppl to listen. Only in electronic music are producers expected to make music, not for listening, but for other ppl to use as tools. i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks. besides, anyone who 'needs' that opening kick to mix a record certainly can't be that good of a dj. masters like mills barely play one minute of a record, let alone the full 5. i'm sure he just smirks at you and shakes his head. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Producers bending their tracks to the will of the DJ is precisely why so much techno has been hurriedly chewing itself in an ever-deepening rut for the past few years. I like songs. Some of my tracks don't even start with drums. What nerve I've got. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] OT Things to do in chitown
on monday i am going to chicago before returning home on sunday. i know about the boom boom room and derrick carter at rednofive. please advise me on what to do the other 4 nights i am there. i am looking for something comparable to porterstreet for deepness, quality, and nice crowd. also besides gramophone what other record stores should be checked out??? thanks in advance, Sam - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion!
[313] OT: Radioactive man
this is off topic, but there was a fair bit of discussion by certain members not that long ago, decided to take a chance and post to the list, sorry if its not of interest. From: Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Swordsmen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hot hot hot just in today... RGC004 Machine Funk Specialists Pt1 A1 Rude Solo - MFS A2 Klart - Boootybill B1 Rude Solo - Slate Resk B2 Aramchek - Driver B3 Frisch Munter - Road Tested RGC005 Machine Funk Specialists Pt2 A1 Decal - Giver A2 The Hold - You can take my glowstick but don't touch the white glove B1 Decal - Reaper B2 Craig Walsh - Redust B3 Radioactive Man - The Mezz [Chairmans rmx] RGC006 Radioactive Man - 'Dive Lie Wrecked' A1 'Ave That A2 Bassick Element B1 Night Bus To Nowhere B2 You Can't Catch Me [tracks featured in the latest Radioactive Man live set !!] these three 12s should be out on in about 6 weeks.of course watch the Bi-wire shop for audio samples over the next few days and sign up to the mailing list if you want to be one of the fisrt to buy... http://www.bi-wire.co.uk Amanda Burton www.MachineMaid.com MachineMaid | Haywire | Bi-wire Bassment Studios 18-20 Scrutton St London EC2A 4RX T: +44 [0] 20 7377 6060 F: +44 [0] 20 7377 9991 jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)
Actually, this is a music - a genre of dance music, that's made to be PLAYED FOR AN AUDIENCE SIMULTANEOUSLY/IN SEQUENCE WITH SIMILAR MUSIC as well as listened to - that's not a complex concept to grasp. The necessity of PLAYING, quite aside from merely listening is engendered in a whole marketing machinery which is aimed at people who PLAY this music as a form of occupation or avocation. (This is even tedious to write but it seems that it's necessary and the rudeness of some of those who appear to not understand this compared to the dovishness of those who do is quite remarkable) ... Therefore, whilst no one wants to take an axe to anyone who wants to start their composition with a fade - (although, judging by some of the language used by their defenders, anyone who complains is worthy of an axing!) it seems like a fair enough desire to have music (for PLAYING remember) that is as convenient for that purpose as possible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:36 PM To: Brian 'balistic' Prince Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?) I was just thinking about how odd this discussion is. Any other musician in any other genre makes music for one purpose, for ppl to listen. Only in electronic music are producers expected to make music, not for listening, but for other ppl to use as tools. i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks. besides, anyone who 'needs' that opening kick to mix a record certainly can't be that good of a dj. masters like mills barely play one minute of a record, let alone the full 5. i'm sure he just smirks at you and shakes his head. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Producers bending their tracks to the will of the DJ is precisely why so much techno has been hurriedly chewing itself in an ever-deepening rut for the past few years. I like songs. Some of my tracks don't even start with drums. What nerve I've got. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] fade out
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. for pity's sake... is it too much to ask for people to treat each other with some respect and to conduct a discussion without trading insults, especially over something so utterly insignificant as yet another storm in the 313 teacup? i realise that a lot of us care passionately about the music, and strong opinions and feelings come along with that passion, but there was really no need for this to have devolved into pointless flaming. rob _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade in techn0- apology of sorts
the below only correlates to fade ins in techno if the fade in on a techno track takes techno (or the djing of that techno track) to a new level in terms of the listening/dancing experience. i don't believe fade ins do this. also i can't believe how rude people are on this list. this is only a discussion on fade ins. there is no need for effing and blinding and dissing other peoples ability just because they have an opinion that differs to yours All I said was F**k :) Can't a bod even express himself with a few well chosen expletives these days? I was merely responding to a long series of e-mails which (imho as internet people feel the need to say all the time) were belittling the very art form that I live for by making it fit into a very formulaic approach- also I couldn't believe we were even having the conversation- it seemed so obvious a point that I chose to formulate my reply in a hyperbolic fashion- I apologise un reservedly to anyone who was offended by my scurrilous language but stand by my point until the end of time- I definitely wasn't dissing anyone's ability though- I'm not too hot on the ones and twos myself! all this is just my opinion tho, if you've read this far you can have yours too now. it won't upset me enough to start swearing :) peace robin... Passion Jason Brunton Iridite - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)
I was just thinking about how odd this discussion is. Any other musician in any other genre makes music for one purpose, for ppl to listen. Only in electronic music are producers expected to make music, not for listening, but for other ppl to use as tools. i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks. besides, anyone who 'needs' that opening kick to mix a record certainly can't be that good of a dj. masters like mills barely play one minute of a record, let alone the full 5. i'm sure he just smirks at you and shakes his head. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: I think this post sums up what I was trying to say but without all the cussin and dissin and playa hatin etc etc Jason Brunton Iridite - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade In Techno
Bad Boy:The Advent . one of my favorite tracks of all time. it fades in and i love it. sometimes, when i play it in the middle of the set, i will cut the table off just to lef this track FADE in. or if not i can mix the fade into the current record(s) that is/are playing. imo the fade in or out is a key element of a lot of techno. it fades in, then bombs the speakers with a huge kick or what have you. the drum programming in spastik fades in also, and there is DEFINATELY nothing wrong with that. - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?) I was just thinking about how odd this discussion is. Any other musician in any other genre makes music for one purpose, for ppl to listen. Only in electronic music are producers expected to make music, not for listening, but for other ppl to use as tools. i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks. besides, anyone who 'needs' that opening kick to mix a record certainly can't be that good of a dj. masters like mills barely play one minute of a record, let alone the full 5. i'm sure he just smirks at you and shakes his head. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: I think this post sums up what I was trying to say but without all the cussin and dissin and playa hatin etc etc Jason Brunton Iridite - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade In Techno
Bad Boy:The Advent . one of my favorite tracks of all time. it fades in and i love it. sometimes, when i play it in the middle of the set, i will cut the table off just to lef this track FADE in. or if not i can mix the fade into the current record(s) that is/are playing. imo the fade in or out is a key element of a lot of techno. it fades in, then bombs the speakers with a huge kick or what have you. the drum programming in spastik fades in also, and there is DEFINATELY nothing wrong with that. - Original Message - I've got a great idea- why don't we have a pro/anti fade in poll on the 313 list and then we can compile all the results and then start up various web sites based around the results and then we could get t-shirst and then hold rallies based on our beliefs (being careful not to hurt the other sides' feelingswell not too much anyway) and then etc etc etc :) Aaah..I always wondered what the sound of 2000 delete keys being pressed at the same time was like! Jason Brunton Iridite - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America...
Motor Productions presents- DELTA HEAVY Sasha Digweed on tour wsg: Jimmy Van M. Truth I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself... _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America...
and its not even at motor -- its at the fairgrounds From: (Truth Be Told) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America... Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:41:39 -0800 Motor Productions presents- DELTA HEAVY Sasha Digweed on tour wsg: Jimmy Van M. Truth I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself... _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America...
first WDRQ on saturdays, now this.. - Original Message - From: (Truth Be Told) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America... Motor Productions presents- DELTA HEAVY Sasha Digweed on tour wsg: Jimmy Van M. Truth I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself... _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: [313] Current 02.23.02 (Octave One Feature)
Octave One will be doing a Live PA for Mixworks to clarify for those of you coming tonight, it will be more of an extended DJ set than a traditional live PA from what I understand. why is it being promoted as live then? *confused* having literally seen bad music on _three_ coast in the last _month_ i desperately need to be inspired -kathleen (has crocuses and snowdrops buried in snow in her yard :/ ) mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Felton Howard?
No thanks - I'm full. But maybe some coffee? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 02/28/02 01:49 AMSubject: [313] Felton Howard? Felton Howard anyone? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Finally Detroit will be privy to the dj wizardry and production prowess that is Sasha and Digweed!!! Now I can die a happy man!!! motordetroit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motor Productions presents- DELTA HEAVY Sasha Digweed on tour wsg: Jimmy Van M. www.deltaheavy.com Saturday April 6th Michigan State Fairgrounds Limited pre-sale only $25 Tickets go on-sale Wednesday March 6th at 10am www.ticketmaster.com 248.645. all Ticketmaster outlets and Recordtime Ferndale/Roseville (no service charge) press release: Something wicked this way comes Nothing you do will prepare you for it. Make no mistake, Sasha and John Digweed¹s Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour will be the most unforgettable, surreal DJ event to ever hit America. The DJ experience can and should be more, and they couldn¹t be happier about raising the bar. Pioneers of DJ culture, Sasha and John Digweed are once again planting the seeds of change with the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour. This time, they aren¹t simply bringing their amazing music, but an entire arsenal, including devastating sound provided by the amazing Phazon Sound System, their own specially designed visuals provided by Imaginary Forces, plus interactive lighting that will respond to both the crowd and music. Each venue installation will be built from scratch and the production values will set a technological benchmark for DJs and herald the definitive SD experience. The Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour isn¹t just different, it¹s a revolution a reinvention of the DJ experience. The Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour is being produced by Kevin Lyman, President of Immortal Records Touring and Events, who produced the Warped Tour and worked in conjunction on the Lollapalooza tours. Kevin now brings his expertise to the world of electronic music. It¹s a new challenge to bring the creativity of electronic music to a multitude of diverse venues says Kevin. It¹s also an honor to work on the first Delta Heavy, because it¹s a long term project. Hopefully, the Delta Heavy name will become synonymous with quality. While the magnitude of the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour¹s scale of production will elevate it into the consciousness alongside shows put on by Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, U2 and Jane¹s Addiction, the DJ duo are determined to not only make the events special, but also personal. Since we¹ve did our first tour in OE96, we¹ve watched the American scene grow and hopefully we¹ve grown with it, says John and Sasha. The Delta Heavy tour gives us an opportunity to play in cities we¹ve never played in before and bring something special to each and every event. Helping spread the message is Imaginary Forces. Visionaries behind the mesmerizing opening credit sequence in the film Seven, among many other high profile projects, Imaginary Forces aren¹t simply providing the visuals for each event, but are leading a national campaign to establish an entire aesthetic. Karin Fong, creative director of Imaginary Forces says, For us, developing the Delta Heavy experience means creating the story and look for their entire identity. Delta Heavy represents a OElost civilization¹ that has a past, present and future. Using a tribal theme, we¹ve designed alter-egos for Sasha and John and are expanding the family of characters to include Jimmy Van M. Between all of us we are developing a concept as strong as the music, creating a world with both a sense of mystery and a sense of humor. We are experimenting with ways of connecting with an audience regardless of whether they are at the gig or reading about us in the media. Co-conspirator to the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour is New York¹s Jimmy Van M. Not only did he help develop the Delta Heavy concept, as the opening DJ, he is the master of ceremonies, setting the mood for each event. Together with Sasha and John, we will use Delta Heavy to provide future support to the artists, DJs and music we believe in, he says. Like their music, with the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour, Sasha and John Digweed are pushing out the boundaries of perception and imagination. It will be the event by which all other DJevents are judged. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion!
Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Well,it actually sounds interesting - may not be any good but it'll be interesting. I'm game for it when they come to Minneapolis. The interactive lighting sounds the most promising but what's with these alter egos for Sasha and Digweed? Are their egos so big that they gotta have other ones? Is this like what Garth Brooks did with his Chris Gaines persona? Are these guys in serious need of some psychoanalysis? After reading this I don't know which is a better comparison: Cirque du Soleil or Rick Wakeman's The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. The only thing missing is performers on ice skates. Hey that sounds like a great idea for Otto and the TT's performance at DEMF 2002! They could perform Black (Frozen) Water. MEK Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org oo.com cc: Subject: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! 02/28/02 12:17 PM Finally Detroit will be privy to the dj wizardry and production prowess that is Sasha and Digweed!!! Now I can die a happy man!!! motordetroit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motor Productions presents- DELTA HEAVY Sasha Digweed on tour wsg: Jimmy Van M. www.deltaheavy.com Saturday April 6th Michigan State Fairgrounds Limited pre-sale only $25 Tickets go on-sale Wednesday March 6th at 10am www.ticketmaster.com 248.645. all Ticketmaster outlets and Recordtime Ferndale/Roseville (no service charge) press release: Something wicked this way comes Nothing you do will prepare you for it. Make no mistake, Sasha and John Digweed¹s Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour will be the most unforgettable, surreal DJ event to ever hit America. The DJ experience can and should be more, and they couldn¹t be happier about raising the bar. Pioneers of DJ culture, Sasha and John Digweed are once again planting the seeds of change with the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour. This time, they aren¹t simply bringing their amazing music, but an entire arsenal, including devastating sound provided by the amazing Phazon Sound System, their own specially designed visuals provided by Imaginary Forces, plus interactive lighting that will respond to both the crowd and music. Each venue installation will be built from scratch and the production values will set a technological benchmark for DJs and herald the definitive SD experience. The Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour isn¹t just different, it¹s a revolution a reinvention of the DJ experience. The Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour is being produced by Kevin Lyman, President of Immortal Records Touring and Events, who produced the Warped Tour and worked in conjunction on the Lollapalooza tours. Kevin now brings his expertise to the world of electronic music. It¹s a new challenge to bring the creativity of electronic music to a multitude of diverse venues says Kevin. It¹s also an honor to work on the first Delta Heavy, because it¹s a long term project. Hopefully, the Delta Heavy name will become synonymous with quality. While the magnitude of the Delta Heavy Spring 2002 Tour¹s scale of production will elevate it into the consciousness alongside shows put on by Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, U2 and Jane¹s Addiction, the DJ duo are determined to not only make the events special, but also personal. Since we¹ve did our first tour in OE96, we¹ve watched the American scene grow and hopefully we¹ve grown with it, says John and Sasha. The Delta Heavy tour gives us an opportunity to play in cities we¹ve never played in before and bring something special to each and every event. Helping spread the message is Imaginary Forces. Visionaries behind the mesmerizing opening credit sequence in the film Seven, among many other high profile projects, Imaginary Forces aren¹t simply providing the visuals for each event, but are leading a national campaign to establish an entire aesthetic. Karin Fong, creative director of Imaginary Forces says, For us, developing the Delta Heavy experience means creating the story and look for their entire identity. Delta Heavy represents a OElost
Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Finally Detroit will be privy to the dj wizardry and production prowess that is Sasha and Digweed god this whole look-how-313-elite-i-can-be contest you all are in is gonna get old REAL quick today. As soon as i saw the announcement of sasha digweed comin to detroit, i just waited for the flood of 313 approval seeking emails to flood in. and look, here they come. i'm gettin a life preserver. Motor is certainly not a perfect club, but i personally feel fucking blessed to have it around. how many other clubs in this area would bring in ben sims? laurent garnier? Dj Krush? dj food? fucking HERBERT? precious magda? kooky? Fuck, how many other clubs in the MIDWEST do that? And damn, motor does it on a consistent basis. *most* other clubs out there bring in major talent on a biweekly or monthly basis; motor does that shit everyweekend. and now they bring in the sash and digster, and you all wait to pounce on it to declair yourselves the kings and queens of detroit snobbery. Am i happy they're coming in? fuck no i'm not. do i COMPLETELY understand that motor IS a club, and that they do need to make money, and yes they are in it for the money? yes i do. Let them bring in sasha and digweed. DON'T FUCKING GO. sit at home on a broomhandle and listen to the latest matmos, and shut the fuck up. It doesn't kill you to have the two retards in detroit for the night and HELPING MOTOR PAY for bringing in other acts that don't bring in the dough. Just shut up about this. its pointless. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] black water with vocals?
I read this article in the Real Detroit last night over dinner. A good article, I especially LOVE the last thing Lenny says on there. He speaks the gospel alright.:-) Peace, G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's an octave one interview i just did for real detroit. www.getrealdetroit.com/articles/aricle.php?id=741 On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, s mcgill wrote: Originally I thought it was called Untold as it was on Blackwater EP on 430 west. It has since I think featured Anne Saunderson vocal and Kev remix. But I prefer the later Kaotic Spatial Rhythms remix myself. Go on, give our lil' brother a bash. No. go on. No. go on, everyone else has. Oh alright then. - Original Message - From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [313] black water with vocals? Wasn't the Blackwater with vocals the original? I have the release on 430 west by Octave One with the instrumental on one side and Ann Saunderson singing vocals on the other side. IMO - those vocals are excellent. If you're talking about a vocal that just says, balckwater over the background, that's very E-dancer sounding - it's actually the e-dancer remix also out on 430 west. Those vocals are pretty hairy IMO. There's also a new Octave one remix of the tune that is supposed to be the strings remix. Haven't heard it, but Mike Taylor was supposed to play it on his show last weekend - maybe he can shed some light. Dennis -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:29 AM To: Neil Wallace Cc: 313 Subject: Re: [313] black water with vocals? Wednesday, February 27, 2002, 9:25:37 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: NW i was in hmv on saturday and heard black water with a (IMHO) pretty duff NW female vocal slapped on top - what is this? Was it the Ann Saunderson vocal mix? Just open your heart, open your mind, let the love flow let the sun shine? That's been out for a while now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] fade out
i'll retract the 'ass' , but i stick by the 'arrogant' On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, rob webb wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. for pity's sake... is it too much to ask for people to treat each other with some respect and to conduct a discussion without trading insults, especially over something so utterly insignificant as yet another storm in the 313 teacup? i realise that a lot of us care passionately about the music, and strong opinions and feelings come along with that passion, but there was really no need for this to have devolved into pointless flaming. rob _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Mixing Styles
Anytime one finds themselves boxed in by over analyzing technique criteria is probably inhibiting their creative growth. Go with the flow, stick to achieving a feel that you're looking for. Break the rules. Have fun. Most importantly do something new, and find wonderful music to play in new and creative ways. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Following your own advice on this one would be admireable P.s. thanks for all the f**king explicitives... Just shut up about this. its pointless. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Mills speaks on The Fade
Uh oh! Jeffy likes it! Discussion over! 8^ TJ www.wireframerecords.com www.mp313.com PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade in techn0
This is somewhat discourteous on the artist's part, unless the only people you want as fans are people so die-hard that they'll take any shit you throw at them and suck it back grinning with glee. My j'accuse is pointed straight at Mills' If. the funny thing about this record is that, if my memory serves me correctly, the way the side with the three versions of if is pressed makes the gaps between the tracks in sync with the tempo of the tracks. i serendipitously discovered this when i was doing a set for targetcircuitry.com, when i dropped the first or second track, brought in some other record, got distracted by something or other, then looked back at the mills record to discover that i had managed to play through the first track and into the next without noticing. I mean, I don't need much, and this is really just nit-picking, but a quiet snare, hi-hat, or even a muted kick right at the very beginning (even a good 30 seconds before the rest of the track actually becomes audible) is a little thing that goes a long way when I have less than 45 seconds left to mix and I have several tracks to choose from. Sure, it might sound like I'm creating a brand new kunt-sept-ual way of mixing or something. Then again, it might sound like I'm a fool. In a pinch, I'll pick a less discourteous track. But that's just me. :) i just figured it was a subtle trick to make us all go out and buy doubles ;P. i wouldn't really object to the practice if it weren't for the fact that those tracks are so damn short as well as having the fade-ins (i won't even get started about that amazing 1:45 song on drexciya's neptune's lair). generally speaking, we shouldn't complain too much about having to beatmatch stuff that's computer controlled/arranged/synched-- as anybody who's ever tried to mix old disco/funk records can attest. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fw: LOST: Easter Sunday 31 March Line-Up
LOST EASTER SUNDAY 31 MARCH 10PM - 6AM RIVERSIDE WAREHOUSE LOCATION RED. DERRICK MAY (EXCLUSIVE UK DATE) JUAN ATKINS (EXCLUSIVE UK DATE) STEVE BICKNELL BLUE. PHIL ASHER (RESTLESS SOUL) KIM BILIR (CLUBTRACKS/COSMIC RECORDS) GLYNE BRAITHWAITE MARIO FURTHER INFO RESERVATIONS - 020 7791 0402 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.lost.co.uk On Easter Sunday last year, LOST threw one of their now traditional parties. Their guests on the night were DERRICK MAY and KEVIN SAUNDERSON - two of Detroit's legendary 'Belleville Three'. Playing back to back, the pair gave a master class in crowd rocking - a history lesson in classic material, melded with the finest cutting edge examples of this music we call techno. This year, DERRICK MAY returns. How often do you hear the phrase 'needs no introduction'? - this has rarely been truer than with this man - TRANSMAT founder, the man behind the RHTYHIM IS RHYTHIM project, life-changing DJ. true Innovator. Derrick will be accompanied by fellow pioneer, 'MAGIC' JUAN ATKINS - the third member of the infamous Motor City triumvirate. From his earliest production classics with CYBOTRON and MODEL 500, the path of techno is inseparable from that of JUAN ATKINS. LOST are pleased to have him back for what will be his first LOST appearance in six years. DJing along with Derrick and Juan in the RED room will be STEVE BICKNELL. Steve's current S.B. Project release on LOST CLUBTRACKS is 'Primitive Streak Redefined', which includes definitions courtesy of Steve Bicknell Santos Rodriguez. KIM BILIR hosts the BLUE room. Kim Bilir is the name of a productions project on the CLUBTRACKS division of COSMIC RECORDS, whose DJ representation is provided by Steve Bicknell, playing an alternative house set tonight. LOST welcomes back PHIL ASHER. Phil played at the very first LOST and was resident in the house room at LOST in the early nineties and at BURUNDI parties. A core member of the Restless Soul collective, he is often referred to as the Godfather of the broken beat scene. Expect a set of proper house music, presented in his inimitable fashion. He will be joined by GLYNE BRAITHWAITE and MARIO. Further info re: LOST, COSMIC RECORDS, LOSTMAIL record shop and COSMIC RECORDS EUROPEAN TOUR DATES - 020 7791 0402 - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOST is an independent promotions and production set up with no sponsors or financial backers and is thereby responsible to no-one other than those who choose to work with them and those who choose to attend their events and buy their music - to all those who have supported us - THANKS - LOST - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)
i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks. one could make the argument that because they're selling records on 12 they're largely catering to a dj market, and that by putting fade-ins in their tracks they're making them less likely to be bought and played out-- something i can relate to to some degree, as i sometimes find myself neglecting certain records in my crate when i'm playing because they're trickier to work in. arrogant-assedly yours, glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Felton Howard?
Isn't he related to Ken Collier? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:50 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Felton Howard? Felton Howard anyone? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] see what cha think
Hello wonderful 313 peeps. Looking for some feedback, don't be too rude :) max www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3
Re: [313] see what cha think
MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3 The first link 404s me (broken link), the second is some gorgeous clicky jazz that I'll be saving to disk. Good stuff. I've got a major soft spot for pitch slides. Its like its nibbling on my earlobes. Thanks for sharing it. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] see what cha think
the man maxim makes som ereally nice music! very far above the average self-promotion / 'check my mp3'-thing check bugsnshape or detund2 - in style of jon beltran or the man norken .. At 28-2-2002 -0700 15:06, you wrote: MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3 .. . :: http://nomorewords.net
[313] the kings of pitch slides
At 28-2-2002 -0700 15:06, you wrote: I've got a major soft spot for pitch slides. in the neverending story of top fives.. 1. Eddie Fowlkes 2. Carl Craig 3. Lee Norris 4. .. hmmm, any tips?
RE: [313] see what cha think
Nice stuff I'd buy iy. Overall production = could bve beefier the groove in the track should all be in sync. nice warm keys ! - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: marsel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:08 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] see what cha think the man maxim makes som ereally nice music! very far above the average self-promotion / 'check my mp3'-thing check bugsnshape or detund2 - in style of jon beltran or the man norken .. At 28-2-2002 -0700 15:06, you wrote: MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 MS www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3 .. . :: http://nomorewords.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] see what cha think
damn - was that a fade in at the beginning of bugzshape ? (joke) i see someone else has also said that the first tune link dont quite work! - Original Message - From: Maxim Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:51 Subject: [313] see what cha think Hello wonderful 313 peeps. Looking for some feedback, don't be too rude :) max www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the kings of pitch slides
Thursday, February 28, 2002, 3:10:30 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came: m At 28-2-2002 -0700 15:06, you wrote: I've got a major soft spot for pitch slides. m in the neverending story of top fives.. m 1. Eddie Fowlkes m 2. Carl Craig m 3. Lee Norris m 4. .. m hmmm, any tips? I'd stick May on there . . . his were rude, but effective. Claude Young maybe? I take so much crap from people for using them . . . I don't know how people can live without a little bent string action every once in a while. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
We will also perform Carl Craig's At Les in a country western version with KJ singing the lyrics of Neil Sedaka's Oh Carol on top. Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [313] IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! Well,it actually sounds interesting - may not be any good but it'll be interesting. I'm game for it when they come to Minneapolis. The interactive lighting sounds the most promising but what's with these alter egos for Sasha and Digweed? Are their egos so big that they gotta have other ones? Is this like what Garth Brooks did with his Chris Gaines persona? Are these guys in serious need of some psychoanalysis? After reading this I don't know which is a better comparison: Cirque du Soleil or Rick Wakeman's The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. The only thing missing is performers on ice skates. Hey that sounds like a great idea for Otto and the TT's performance at DEMF 2002! They could perform Black (Frozen) Water. MEK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the kings of pitch slides
in the neverending story of top fives.. 1. Eddie Fowlkes 2. Carl Craig 3. Lee Norris 4. .. hmmm, any tips? nort route... :) T - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] What Is Cheese?
He, he, but saying a DJ is playing cheesy tracks is actually cheesy to me! Some of those BS tracks would be soulful and deep to someone else. It's very subjective! :) -- From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] What Is Cheese? Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 4:53 AM It's strange when people use this term - that's cheesy, this is cheesy. What is the general definition of cheese within a 313 context? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's really weird- I just asked my girlfriend that exact same question the other day- its used in our house to describe anything that makes your skin crawl- so a bad TV presenter may be described as cheesy or a really obvious ending to an otherwise good film. Mostly we use it to describe the classic Euro Trance sound but occasionally also Body and Soul type tracks which have a really over the top 10 minute flute solo and really obvious love peace and harmony type lyrics- its such a wonderful and useful phrase! Jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] see what cha think
Soz :| !! www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/TEpsia.mp3 Thanks for the feedback its appreciated!! Max - Original Message - From: Michael D Tyrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maxim Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [313] see what cha think damn - was that a fade in at the beginning of bugzshape ? (joke) i see someone else has also said that the first tune link dont quite work! - Original Message - From: Maxim Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:51 Subject: [313] see what cha think Hello wonderful 313 peeps. Looking for some feedback, don't be too rude :) max www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/Tepsia.mp3 www.evtacon.co.uk/sounds/bugzshape.mp3 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
I wish to relate two stories about the UK djs in question: -Dunno bout Digweed in particular, however when Sasha first came to Detroit way back when (circa 1994-95) NO ONE really knew who he was, he played flatline, put-you-to-sleep music of no consequence, in other words, drop needle...no reaction...to an empty 'house'. -Much, much, much hype laterfast forward to WMC 1998 and the MTV beach house party simulcast via their AMP show. Sasha preceeded Juan Atkins on the turntables to again...an empty house of hype...no vibe...people sleeping on the couches (literally...no lie) and asking when the food was gonna arrive. Juan took over and within a mere two hours the police were there to see why there were so many cars blocking the street cameramen everywhere. I barely 'squoze' myself outta dere in one piece. Moral of the story: Great Hype versus Great Music??? We all know the answer to that one. THAT is the main reason we object to these cats coming to Detroit. They're makin' 10-fold what we've been able to affect in this biz, strictly on hype/marketing development/$$$-driven promotions behind them--and therefore have become the POSTER CHILDREN of our musical arena. In and of itself, that ain't a bad thing. Yeah, it's a free world, cool they're getting their biz groove/swerve on, yeah coolgroovycoolgrooovycool--but they need to get offa Detroit's jock and make some funky music on the calibre of Juan Atkins in order to get my props or to stop me from being their musical nemesis. Why They represent the PERFECT microcosm of the macrocosmic economic argument of black musical innovators dying poor or in relative obscurity or both (for various reasons, sometimes self-inflicted...we know) due to the white imitators being blessed with ALL of what should have been THEIR opportunities. If ANYONE can answer or explain THAT anomalie to me, well then this thread will have been well worth its weight in time and bandwidth and this list just for fluff and promotion. The only answer i can figger is that VERY few black artists slip pass the radar (Michael Jackson, damn...the next thing you know black and white folks'll be sleeping together ) of the white machinery consistently spittin out heroes of slight redeeming quality---in their own image. They got dat routine down to a fine art and if they (uh-oh...dere's dat Nazi word again...) coulda figgered out how to write all 'eck-niff' folks outta their script---dey woulda done so save for the peeps who were/are NOT COMPLETELY APATHETIC and made that global woe an impossibility. Right now peeps are sensitive to the fact that the machine is specifically attuned to Arabic/Mid-Eastern folks as the enemy... Have you ever wondered WHY there are ABSOLUTELY NO postiive Arabic/Mid-Eastern role models/heroes (across the artistic board) EVER, EVER in American pop culture? C'mon, peeps use your headz This war is only symptomatic of rampant and long-term propaganda. If you want to control a country/its peeps...control its culture (e, Carol Marvin??) Dis shit IS of TANTAMOUNT importance--RIGHT NOW!! Propaganda IS the enemy..therefore FUKtrance, as it TRULY IS seeking to REPLACE our musical heritage AND MY INCOME goddamnit As they COULD NOT create what Detroit was creating--they imitated at a far less intellectual level and called it Trance. They STILL don't got it, they STILL got to rip off or sample black artists that came before them and flounce it up wif a candy coating--Why dey do dat??? Cuz we made it coolgroovycool and they wanted their piece of the pie...cept they want it all..they aren't coolgroovycoool at'all. These type Brit-fad faggots act as though we are all STOOPID and inept, I know, as I've sat across the bargaining table with them many times before. They start out all cool, but eventually give no respect $$$. Moby is one of the KINGS OF DANCE according to the world and only because he's white and has proximity perks to the industry in NYC. NO OTHER REASON. It's certainly NOT because he is the shit. He's innovated NADA. He created NADA. Neither have Sahsa or Digweed. Yeah, Moby had a coupla okeydoke coolgroovycool tracky tracks and had the Detroit power trio on a coupla his tours..(credibility politics) but he has been signed and dropped by 3-4 MAJOR labels with little to no effort. Why not Juan Atkins?? Blah, blah, blah... hear come your uneducated and 'skewed without the facts' retorts But Moby didn't break down a single social or technological barrier.Juan did (what?...a black man?) and has YET to be signed to ONE major as a mainline, beaucoup marketing and development $$ behind him, artist. Michael Jackson was the first black artist to be played on M-TV. That was little under 20 years ago and ONLY because Sony/Columbia threatened to withhold all their other artists videos if they didn't play his
Re: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
Great post, Laura! Very true. When Sasha played here on NYE, he lasted 1/2 hour and let Digweed pick up the rest. He was 'tired'. I have seen exhausted Detroit DJs still create magic and play 4 hours plus. I guess Shakira qualifies as a positive Middle Eastern pop icon but much has been said how Sony is stressing her Latin ancestry, not her Lebanese roots. -- From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:17 AM I wish to relate two stories about the UK djs in question: -Dunno bout Digweed in particular, however when Sasha first came to Detroit way back when (circa 1994-95) NO ONE really knew who he was, he played flatline, put-you-to-sleep music of no consequence, in other words, drop needle...no reaction...to an empty 'house'. -Much, much, much hype laterfast forward to WMC 1998 and the MTV beach house party simulcast via their AMP show. Sasha preceeded Juan Atkins on the turntables to again...an empty house of hype...no vibe...people sleeping on the couches (literally...no lie) and asking when the food was gonna arrive. Juan took over and within a mere two hours the police were there to see why there were so many cars blocking the street cameramen everywhere. I barely 'squoze' myself outta dere in one piece. Moral of the story: Great Hype versus Great Music??? We all know the answer to that one. THAT is the main reason we object to these cats coming to Detroit. They're makin' 10-fold what we've been able to affect in this biz, strictly on hype/marketing development/$$$-driven promotions behind them--and therefore have become the POSTER CHILDREN of our musical arena. In and of itself, that ain't a bad thing. Yeah, it's a free world, cool they're getting their biz groove/swerve on, yeah coolgroovycoolgrooovycool--but they need to get offa Detroit's jock and make some funky music on the calibre of Juan Atkins in order to get my props or to stop me from being their musical nemesis. Why They represent the PERFECT microcosm of the macrocosmic economic argument of black musical innovators dying poor or in relative obscurity or both (for various reasons, sometimes self-inflicted...we know) due to the white imitators being blessed with ALL of what should have been THEIR opportunities. If ANYONE can answer or explain THAT anomalie to me, well then this thread will have been well worth its weight in time and bandwidth and this list just for fluff and promotion. The only answer i can figger is that VERY few black artists slip pass the radar (Michael Jackson, damn...the next thing you know black and white folks'll be sleeping together ) of the white machinery consistently spittin out heroes of slight redeeming quality---in their own image. They got dat routine down to a fine art and if they (uh-oh...dere's dat Nazi word again...) coulda figgered out how to write all 'eck-niff' folks outta their script---dey woulda done so save for the peeps who were/are NOT COMPLETELY APATHETIC and made that global woe an impossibility. Right now peeps are sensitive to the fact that the machine is specifically attuned to Arabic/Mid-Eastern folks as the enemy... Have you ever wondered WHY there are ABSOLUTELY NO postiive Arabic/Mid-Eastern role models/heroes (across the artistic board) EVER, EVER in American pop culture? C'mon, peeps use your headz This war is only symptomatic of rampant and long-term propaganda. If you want to control a country/its peeps...control its culture (e, Carol Marvin??) Dis shit IS of TANTAMOUNT importance--RIGHT NOW!! Propaganda IS the enemy..therefore FUKtrance, as it TRULY IS seeking to REPLACE our musical heritage AND MY INCOME goddamnit As they COULD NOT create what Detroit was creating--they imitated at a far less intellectual level and called it Trance. They STILL don't got it, they STILL got to rip off or sample black artists that came before them and flounce it up wif a candy coating--Why dey do dat??? Cuz we made it coolgroovycool and they wanted their piece of the pie...cept they want it all..they aren't coolgroovycoool at'all. These type Brit-fad faggots act as though we are all STOOPID and inept, I know, as I've sat across the bargaining table with them many times before. They start out all cool, but eventually give no respect $$$. Moby is one of the KINGS OF DANCE according to the world and only because he's white and has proximity perks to the industry in NYC. NO OTHER REASON. It's certainly NOT because he is the shit. He's innovated NADA. He created NADA. Neither have Sahsa or Digweed. Yeah, Moby had a coupla okeydoke coolgroovycool tracky tracks and had the Detroit power trio on a coupla his tours..(credibility politics) but he has been signed and dropped by 3-4 MAJOR labels with little to no effort.
