[313] take care 313
Hello, I spent an hour of my life deleting 250 posts about rich hawtin, globalization, and final scratch this afternoon. I have met a lot of good character and gained a lot of insight about this music for the list. Its been 6 years now, and I think it is time for me to move on. Current will be changing its sound in the next few months. I am going to play nothing but Throbbing Gristle in July. Look for early Mute and vintage electro in August. If you want to receive playlists and updates regarding the show, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Mike Taylor np The Fall-I Am Daimo Suzuki _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Herbert
There are 2 different 3 packs of herbert's old remixes i have them both, they are both worth the purchase. Trevor Wilkes inyerear.com - Original Message - From: "Mxyzptlk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: [313] Herbert > I understand that there are at least 2 versions of the "Secondhand Sounds" > lp. Anyone have the lowdown on this? > jeff > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Herbert
I understand that there are at least 2 versions of the "Secondhand Sounds" lp. Anyone have the lowdown on this? jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
Hee hee! That is where 'deliverator' came from after all :-) jim - Original Message - From: "Grammenos, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Giles Dickerson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org>; "Eric Scuccimarra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > Yes, and every other book he's written ;) Snow Crash is the best sci-fi book > ever written in my opinion. I'm biased though, because it's about hackers. > > How is this 313 related, I have no idea ;) > > -Original Message- > From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:35 PM > To: Grammenos, Peter; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra > Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > ==>> > > > Has anyone read the Neil Stephenson book "In The Beginning Was The Command > Line"? > > - Giles > > D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > -- > Giles Dickerson > Art Director > 800 Boylston Street > Boston, MA > 02199 > -- > mobile 617 899 9635 > office 617 369 8601 > > > -- > > From: Eric Scuccimarra > > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:24 PM > > To: Grammenos, Peter; Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these > reasons ==>> > > > > When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the > > laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of > > business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. > > > > I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. > > > > At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: > > > > >I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC > only > > >though... > > > > > >-p > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM > > >To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra > > >Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > > >==>> > > > > > > > > >So what type of system do you need for final scratch? > > > > > >- Giles > > > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > > >-- > > >Giles Dickerson > > >Art Director > > >800 Boylston Street > > >Boston, MA > > >02199 > > >-- > > >mobile 617 899 9635 > > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > > > -- > > > > From: Eric Scuccimarra > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > > > > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > > > > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these > > >reasons ==>> > > > > > > > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or > Windows, is > > > > > > > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to > like 5 > > > > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > > > > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle > audio > > > > latency that low. > > > > > > > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my > opinion. > > > > > > > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > > > > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most > probably > > > > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me > three > > > > > > > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this > by > > > > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in > the > > > > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > > > > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore > not > > > > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > > > > > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as > I'm > > > > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > > > > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no > room! > > > > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few > hundred > > > > >tracks with me. > > > > > > > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never > > >have > > > > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / > > >baggage > > > > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > > > > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > > > > > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, > I > > > > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on > wax, > > >but > > > > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy > > >camper. > > > > > > > > > >- Giles > > > > > > > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > > > > >-- > > > > >Giles Dickerson > > > > >Art Director > > > > >800 Boylston Street > > > > >Boston, MA > > > > >02199 > > > > >-- > > > > >mobile 617 899 9635 > > > > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Fw: [313] Drexciya
> Not much apart from what i heard in the interview, while on drexciyan > topics, anyone heard Harnessed the storm and/or Other peoples place? I > bought the Translusion Cd earllier in the year where are they taking > things? "Harnessed" is quite good, in my opinion. I enjoyed it more than I did "Neptune's Kingdom". Its a bit deeper, and more gurgly . . . the hooks are less videogame-ish. Recommended. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: [313] Drexciya
"harnessed the storm" is damn good, and the other people place LP is actually my favorite recent thing from that camp. i actually didnt like the translussion LP all that much. tom -- Original Message -- From: "Tom Mackenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:32:01 +1200 > > >- Original Message - >From: Tom Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Alexandres Lugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:21 AM >Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya > > >> Not much apart from what i heard in the interview, while on drexciyan >> topics, anyone heard Harnessed the storm and/or Other peoples place? I >> bought the Translusion Cd earllier in the year where are they taking >things? >> it's good stuff my personal fav's Cluben in Guyana, Transdimensional Glide >> shows all the classic signs. I guess they have heaps of material >stockpiled >> can't wait for the Next 4 albums. From what i gathered from the interview >it >> sounds like there are going to be many more apperances from Dreciyan DJ's >> all around the world, i hope!! >> >> Tom >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Alexandres Lugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org' <313@hyperreal.org> >> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:46 AM >> Subject: [313] Drexciya >> >> >> > If any of the UK posse is going to this, please let us know who, how or >> what >> > the Drexiyen DJ is/does... >> > >> > Peace, >> > Alex >> > >> > **JUST ANNOUNCED*** - LONDON ELECTROWERKZ - THURSDAY 6TH JUNE >> > > with: >> > > CASSETTEBOY >> > > DREXCIYEN DJ STINGRAY >> > > JAMIE LIDELL >> > > LFO DJ >> > > PLAID >> > > RICHARD DEVINE >> > > RUSSELL HASWELL >> > > WARP DJS >> > > WARP FILMS ROOM >> > > ADVANCE TICKETS £12.50 >> > > AVAILABLE FROM WWW.STARGREEN.COM, ROUGH TRADE:0207 240 0105 >> > SMALLFISH:0207 >> > > 739 2252 >> > > >> > > >> > > AVAILABLE ON TOUR ONLY - 'MAGIC BUS TRACKS' - an exclusive CD >featuring >> > > unreleased material from LUKE VIBERT, PLAID, RICHARD DEVINE, RUSSELL >> > > HASWELL, CHRIS CLARK, ASTROBOTNIA and others >> > >> > >> > >> > Peace, >> > Alex >> > www.fulcruminn.net >> > >> > >> > >> > -- --- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > > > >-- --- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Wired laptop techno online
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Fw: [313] Drexciya
- Original Message - From: Tom Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alexandres Lugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [313] Drexciya > Not much apart from what i heard in the interview, while on drexciyan > topics, anyone heard Harnessed the storm and/or Other peoples place? I > bought the Translusion Cd earllier in the year where are they taking things? > it's good stuff my personal fav's Cluben in Guyana, Transdimensional Glide > shows all the classic signs. I guess they have heaps of material stockpiled > can't wait for the Next 4 albums. From what i gathered from the interview it > sounds like there are going to be many more apperances from Dreciyan DJ's > all around the world, i hope!! > > Tom > > - Original Message - > From: Alexandres Lugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org' <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:46 AM > Subject: [313] Drexciya > > > > If any of the UK posse is going to this, please let us know who, how or > what > > the Drexiyen DJ is/does... > > > > Peace, > > Alex > > > > **JUST ANNOUNCED*** - LONDON ELECTROWERKZ - THURSDAY 6TH JUNE > > > with: > > > CASSETTEBOY > > > DREXCIYEN DJ STINGRAY > > > JAMIE LIDELL > > > LFO DJ > > > PLAID > > > RICHARD DEVINE > > > RUSSELL HASWELL > > > WARP DJS > > > WARP FILMS ROOM > > > ADVANCE TICKETS £12.50 > > > AVAILABLE FROM WWW.STARGREEN.COM, ROUGH TRADE:0207 240 0105 > > SMALLFISH:0207 > > > 739 2252 > > > > > > > > > AVAILABLE ON TOUR ONLY - 'MAGIC BUS TRACKS' - an exclusive CD featuring > > > unreleased material from LUKE VIBERT, PLAID, RICHARD DEVINE, RUSSELL > > > HASWELL, CHRIS CLARK, ASTROBOTNIA and others > > > > > > > > Peace, > > Alex > > www.fulcruminn.net > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
> All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I = > love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, = > but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy = > camper. Final Scratch posterboy DJ Craze was here in New Zealand a couple of weeks ago for three gigs. Apparently at the first gig everything went fine, at the second (in my hometown, which sold out before I got tix) FS played up quite a bit and at the third he had to abandon it all together. Seems there may still be some technical issues to be ironed out before I'm gonna shell out for it (and I'll be waiting for a Mac version too). I think they put it down to overheating(?) Still, having FS meant he got to cut the f*ck up a couple of local hip-hop anthems which aren't on vinyl - an act which won him no end of endearment from NZ crowds... Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] hard techno
Around these parts I don't always use my "christian" name, but Les is a friend of the family and we go way back... Les, you might have been reading my posts and never knowing Fixer = Robert Smith! > Original Message: > - > From: LR2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:28:15 -0400 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning > to me and boldly stating hard techno will never die as long as there > are kids who want to dance. > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > Leslie hardcore, you know the score Rollins > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
Ohh god, NO!!! on 6/5/02 5:20 PM, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > PG> Also, rich is no > longer wearing black rimmed glasses, he's moved on to the trendier > big-ass-orange glasses w/ silver wire rims. Guess nyc is influencing him > already, the're quite trendy here ;) > > -p > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
At 04:20 PM 6/5/2002, Holly MacDonald-Korth wrote: yes, but how many have the famed light-blue suede shoes? I saw one at Carl Craig's Cranbrook gig last year - and I *do* believe he had "the shoes". Not Richie, though. jeff -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:21 PM To: 'Mxyzptlk'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; marsel Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin? > There are also several "Richie clones" who you'll see now and then in the > Detroit area. Pretty funny in a sad way. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
yes, but how many have the famed light-blue suede shoes? -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:21 PM To: 'Mxyzptlk'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; marsel Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin? > There are also several "Richie clones" who you'll see now and then in the > Detroit area. Pretty funny in a sad way. PG> Yes even for those people that have been wearing black rimmed glasses for a lot longer than rich, they still get automatically put into this category. I guess for obvious reasons, that's even sadder. Also, rich is no longer wearing black rimmed glasses, he's moved on to the trendier big-ass-orange glasses w/ silver wire rims. Guess nyc is influencing him already, the're quite trendy here ;) -p - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
> There are also several "Richie clones" who you'll see now and then in the > Detroit area. Pretty funny in a sad way. PG> Yes even for those people that have been wearing black rimmed glasses for a lot longer than rich, they still get automatically put into this category. I guess for obvious reasons, that's even sadder. Also, rich is no longer wearing black rimmed glasses, he's moved on to the trendier big-ass-orange glasses w/ silver wire rims. Guess nyc is influencing him already, the're quite trendy here ;) -p - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel]
if roland hadn't been interested in selling TB-303 bass emulators to people - and competing with companies that made bass guitars - acid house wouldn't exist. fact. most of the gear that is used to make electronic music exists because of fierce competition and innovation among a handful of equipment manufactures. sure, _music_ in general would exist with or without modern capitalist technology. but _techno_ music most certainly would not. at no point was i attempting to celebrate global domination by capitalist technocrats. i was attempting to argue that globalization is neither good nor bad, it simply is. most developing nations who have hopped onto the moving train of globalization have done so because their people want to attain Western standards of living (measured objectively in terms of literacy, wages, life expectancy, etc.) - not because some evil cabal of the u.s. government and several corporate CEOs somehow forced them to. those who will succeed under globalization are those who learn to exploit its intrinsic properties rather than wish it would simply go away. i think the entire trend toward niche markets is the way forward for people who care about culture. in a global marketplace, mass culture will be dominated by a few immensely powerful corporate behemoths the same way every other industry will be. but globalization also offers thinkers, writers, artists, musicians, etc. a potential worldwide audience. you aren't limited to the people in your neighborhood, city, state or nation. the reach is potentially limitless. UR are a great example of this, as are a lot of techno labels, who survive by building what amounts to a small local business with a global audience of listeners. UR isn't equal Sony, but it benefits from the same system that allows Sony to dominate the media world. globalization benefits the very big and the very small - just not many folks who are in-between. brian -Original Message- From: Data General [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:35 PM To: James Hurlbut Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel] agreed. agreed. agreed. for more good, even-handed context on globalization and the incredible complexity of the phenomenon, see Naomi Klein's "No Logo." as regards capitalism being the driving force behind techno (or increased gender equality): such an assumption is a denial of human agency. it suggests that people are not creative and simply react reflexively to their surroundings. to me, detroit techno is a living example of the absurdity of that phenomenon. people are creative and unpredictable. they react in interesting and unexpected ways. the genius of ur came from people like mike banks, not from some abandoned buildings downtown. sure, those buildings are part of the story, but the creativity that emerges from human cultures is the most important reason techno or any other form of expression exists. this is what i wrote my thesis on, and i believe it very much. ben On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, James Hurlbut wrote: > (313 reference in third paragraph of reply) > > "... it isn't something that can be 'stopped,' no matter what activists in > Seattle may wish. It simply IS - the dominant economic system governing the > entire post-Cold War world. " > > This is a common and dangerous misconception about the "anti-globalization" > movement. If you look at the most active organizations/people in the > movement you will find that they argue for a different form of > globalization that puts control into the hands of the majority of the > people of a country, the "workers" if your a marxist. It seems that you are > arguing that we should be happy that our corporations are making deals with > small technologically elite ruling classes in other countries, that doesn't > jive with me. I'm not comfortable with my government funding and training > small military controlling classes that rule the majority through terror ( > for obvious examples look at Pinochet in Chile, Sutharta in Indonesia, > Hussein in Iraq, the Shah of Iran ... most latin american countries at some > point in the last century). I'm not comfortable with they way that the US > government does most things. > > "it's like feminists complaining about the 'capitalist patriarchy,' > when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender > equity to exist in the first place." > > Industrial capitalism didn't allow for gender equity to exist, Industrial > workers did. Like the thousands of girls young women who striked for weeks > in the cold of winter at the textile mills in Lowell MA because the working > conditions were horrendous (there was a horrible fire that killed a whole > bunch of workers because the owners would lock the workers in on each > floor, is one of many examples). This is similar to the argument that we > shouldn't be out hollering on the streets about how bad our government is > because we live in a
Re[2]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
scfcu> As I said I'm relitivly oblivious to much of his Concept and Minus stuff and scfcu> from what I can gather it seems like these are largley DJ tools, but even scfcu> still, they have been released with original concepts and all I can say is scfcu> fair play to the guy and anyone that thinks his music lacks innovation now scfcu> needs to listen to his early early nineties stuff and get the full picture. scfcu> I dropped 'Technotropic' at the 313 party the other week and so wanted to scfcu> drop 'Technarchy', both those tunes will always rock a crowd. I also like a fair bit of his stuff . . . "Kricket" is probably at the top of my list of "insectno." And "Spastik" has made more than one rotation breaking in the 1000 watt amp I just dropped in the proverbial ride. 1.2 kilowatts of rattley techno pride strategically pumping funk into the streets of a very confused Utah, boyee. *cough* I really didn't intend to come off as being anti-Plastikman . . . my issue is with the acceptance drones who defend every one of his gaffes as being a calculated stroke of genius. I can't think of any other techno musicians who conjure such unilateral zealotry . . . even die-hard Mills fans will admit that he's lost step at certain points. Oh and PLUR. I hate PLUR. That is all. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
At 04:01 PM 6/5/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everyone has a friend(s) who look like richie hawtin ;) On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, marsel wrote: > > a friend of mine looks like richie hawtin > > http://nomorewords.net/photobook/images/dcp_0922.jpg There are also several "Richie clones" who you'll see now and then in the Detroit area. Pretty funny in a sad way. jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
Hi all.. I'm a bit of a BeOS geek, I still have it installed on my pc at home.. BeOS was a revolutionary new OS when it was first released. Basically the theory behind it was, throw out all the crud and mess from the legacy operating systems (windows & macos) and start fresh. This created a great os that had awesome speed and flexability. I could throw out lots of buzz words here but, I won't. This ground-up redesign is what allows BeOS to have things like low audio latency. It was designed to be "the media os". It is partially true that BeOS code can run on both Intel Pentium and PowerPC chips, however you do have to recompile the code. Unfortunately when Apple released computers with the G3 (and later G4) PowerPC processor they were unwilling to provide specs to outside companies about important motherboard chipsets that interfaced with the processors. BeOS has never run on the G3 or G4 processor. Anyways I think others have mentioned that Final Scratch will be released for Mac OS X eventually, and also Linux. So eventually you will be able to run it on your current up-to-date apple ibook or powerbook. -Sam - Original Message - From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. > > > > > if i'm correct, finalscratch still runs on the BE operating system. And > while i know it only comes with the pc version, if you bought the mac > version, there's no reason why final scratch wouldn't work on it. that was > one of the beautiful things about the Be os; although you could use either > a mac or a pc with the Os, anything that would work on Be Pc would work on > the Be Mac. > > anyone know anything different? > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
everyone has a friend(s) who look like richie hawtin ;) On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, marsel wrote: > > a friend of mine looks like richie hawtin > > http://nomorewords.net/photobook/images/dcp_0922.jpg > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
Sinomfish & Garfunkel did copyright scarbourgh fair, even though twas based on a folk song (subject to change over time you know, in a generation kind of way), personaly I think it's a bit wank that people bother with that kind of thing. It just stagnates the evolution of music. No one lives forever, so what's the point in copyright?, oh yeah.. that artistic necessity; MONEY, nothing to do with crying cuz somebody made a more popular version, boo hoo. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > so are you saying you only do live PAs? > > if that's the case than i think i understand what you mean. > > although i still think you're mistaken. > > i've seen quite a few live PAs (funkstorung, kid606...) where the artist > plays around with outher people's tracks. sort of a live remix if you will > (although who can tell what is spontanious and what is pre-programmed). > > i'm not trying to argue the merits of djing over live (are we do for that > thread again? no? good.) > > final scratch is potentially one of the most interesting dj tools to come > out since 1200. if djs are going to play other people's music (which is > what djs do) i would much rather here some cool custom edits. > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > because I play shows and I get that impression from the people to which I > > play music > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > how do you figure? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > > > > > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a > > laptop > > > > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. > > > > > > > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > > > > > > > "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > > > > > like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look > > though. > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM > > > > > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > > > > > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) > > turning > > > > > to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > > > > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > > > > > > > > > Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] [mnkyluv] Joey Beltram (fwd)
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Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
richie himself has admitted that it was a lot easier to be innovative back then because there was so much ground that hadn't been covered. now, its more like everything's been done. but i think the fact that he tries to continue pushing boundarys, despite the fact that they have already been pushed incredibly far, leave him open for a lot more critisism than say...derrick may, who is doing the exact thing he was doing 15 years ago. richie might not blow you away in the same manner he did years ago, but who does? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I never quite get the amount of extreme mixed opinion that arises whenever > the discussion turns towards Richie Hawtin. Admitedly I haven't heard him > play for years and don't confess to be too up on all his current material, > but for me back in my clubbing heyday in the early-mid nineties he is one of > the guys that I look back on a lot more favourably than most. Tracks like > 'Technarchy', 'Technotropic', 'Trac-x' and the early FUSE and Plastikman > stuff all pushed the boundaries of electronic dance music, the first time > any one of those tracks dropped, nothing quite like them had been heard > before. His DJ sets from these eras were never overly innovative, but for me > he was definatly among my top 5 DJs ever for pure rock the crowd value, plus > he was the first DJ I ever heard to really work the EQs in his sets. Though > I got kinda bored with his Decks and FX mix CD after a while, it was still > technically outstanding and I feel that the whole deal with Richie is that > he has always tried to push the envelope in everything he does, be it in his > music, using Final Scratch or in the painstaking re-editing on his latest > mix album. And whilst I can't help feeling that it may be an unpopular view > on this list I look back on many of his early works and do hold them up with > much of Juan or Derrick's stuff. > > As I said I'm relitivly oblivious to much of his Concept and Minus stuff and > from what I can gather it seems like these are largley DJ tools, but even > still, they have been released with original concepts and all I can say is > fair play to the guy and anyone that thinks his music lacks innovation now > needs to listen to his early early nineties stuff and get the full picture. > I dropped 'Technotropic' at the 313 party the other week and so wanted to > drop 'Technarchy', both those tunes will always rock a crowd. > > My 2 Pence worth > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
I got a letter from dj supply and it said there will be a OS X version coming out in early fall and I have read that there will be a mac version but it looks like it's only going to be os x which kinda sucks because I dont want to buy a new computer for just FS. my DAW a bastard mac ppc 8600/300 hopped up with a xlr8 zif daughter card to a G4 350 does not like to run os x but runs live, cubase, and pro tools just fine. here is the letter they mailed me: (anyone who wants the pic try there website) Final Scratch lovers, Well, the Detroit Electronic Music Festival was a bigger success than we imagined. We thank all of you who came and fought the crowds to say "HI". John Acquaviva was there with Stanton Magnetics showing off the Final Scratch. It was the first time I was able to play with it. Final Scratch is AWESOME. A lot of my questions were answered. I found out there is a MAC version coming out in the winter. It will only work with the OS X. The PC version had a minor delay. John Acquaviva did tell me that they are in final production now. We are estimating late June early July (I know.I know..don't kill the messenger). I also had some good news from Stanton. They allotted us more product because of our ongoing commitment with them. So for those of you I had emailed and said we were out, good news!! We will have more to fill orders. So put in your orders now! If you have any questions, drop me an email, and if they are not to technical I will try to answer them. Musically yours, Rob - Original Message - From: "Grammenos, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Giles Dickerson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org>; "Eric Scuccimarra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only > though... > > -p > > -Original Message- > From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM > To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra > Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > ==>> > > > So what type of system do you need for final scratch? > > - Giles > > D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > -- > Giles Dickerson > Art Director > 800 Boylston Street > Boston, MA > 02199 > -- > mobile 617 899 9635 > office 617 369 8601 > > > -- > > From: Eric Scuccimarra > > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these > reasons ==>> > > > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > > > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > > latency that low. > > > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > > > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > > >tracks with me. > > > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never > have > > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / > baggage > > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, > but > > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy > camper. > > > > > >- Giles > > > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > > >-- > > >Giles Dickerson > > >Art Director > > >800 Boylston Street > > >Boston, MA > > >02199 > > >-- > > >mobile 617 899 9635 > > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscr
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
a friend of mine looks like richie hawtin http://nomorewords.net/photobook/images/dcp_0922.jpg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. if i'm correct, finalscratch still runs on the BE operating system. And while i know it only comes with the pc version, if you bought the mac version, there's no reason why final scratch wouldn't work on it. that was one of the beautiful things about the Be os; although you could use either a mac or a pc with the Os, anything that would work on Be Pc would work on the Be Mac. anyone know anything different? _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Drexciya
At 16:46 -0400 05-06-2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote: If any of the UK posse is going to this, please let us know who, how or what the Drexiyen DJ is/does... Yeah i am really curious about the Drexciyan DJ as well... **JUST ANNOUNCED*** - LONDON ELECTROWERKZ - THURSDAY 6TH JUNE with: CASSETTEBOY DREXCIYEN DJ STINGRAY JAMIE LIDELL LFO DJ PLAID RICHARD DEVINE RUSSELL HASWELL WARP DJS WARP FILMS ROOM ADVANCE TICKETS £12.50 AVAILABLE FROM WWW.STARGREEN.COM, ROUGH TRADE:0207 240 0105 SMALLFISH:0207 739 2252 AVAILABLE ON TOUR ONLY - 'MAGIC BUS TRACKS' - an exclusive CD featuring unreleased material from LUKE VIBERT, PLAID, RICHARD DEVINE, RUSSELL HASWELL, CHRIS CLARK, ASTROBOTNIA and others Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Drexciya
If any of the UK posse is going to this, please let us know who, how or what the Drexiyen DJ is/does... Peace, Alex **JUST ANNOUNCED*** - LONDON ELECTROWERKZ - THURSDAY 6TH JUNE > with: > CASSETTEBOY > DREXCIYEN DJ STINGRAY > JAMIE LIDELL > LFO DJ > PLAID > RICHARD DEVINE > RUSSELL HASWELL > WARP DJS > WARP FILMS ROOM > ADVANCE TICKETS £12.50 > AVAILABLE FROM WWW.STARGREEN.COM, ROUGH TRADE:0207 240 0105 SMALLFISH:0207 > 739 2252 > > > AVAILABLE ON TOUR ONLY - 'MAGIC BUS TRACKS' - an exclusive CD featuring > unreleased material from LUKE VIBERT, PLAID, RICHARD DEVINE, RUSSELL > HASWELL, CHRIS CLARK, ASTROBOTNIA and others Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
oh yeah...and i recommended the book to hawtin a while back =) On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 03:42 PM, jonathan morse wrote: yeah...it is/was available for free download through the web site for his 'cryptonomicon' book, which was much better IMESHO (im kinda prejudiced though given my occupation...) On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Giles Dickerson wrote: Has anyone read the Neil Stephenson book "In The Beginning Was The Command Line"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: Eric Scuccimarra Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:24 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only though... -p -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: Eric Scuccimarra Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio latency that low. And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: 1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. 2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred tracks with me. 3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records ripped off? Don't answer that. All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
yeah...it is/was available for free download through the web site for his 'cryptonomicon' book, which was much better IMESHO (im kinda prejudiced though given my occupation...) On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 03:34 PM, Giles Dickerson wrote: Has anyone read the Neil Stephenson book "In The Beginning Was The Command Line"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: Eric Scuccimarra Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:24 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only though... -p -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: Eric Scuccimarra Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio latency that low. And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: 1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. 2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred tracks with me. 3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records ripped off? Don't answer that. All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
Yes, and every other book he's written ;) Snow Crash is the best sci-fi book ever written in my opinion. I'm biased though, because it's about hackers. How is this 313 related, I have no idea ;) -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:35 PM To: Grammenos, Peter; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> Has anyone read the Neil Stephenson book "In The Beginning Was The Command Line"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:24 PM > To: Grammenos, Peter; Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the > laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of > business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. > > I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. > > At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: > > >I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only > >though... > > > >-p > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM > >To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra > >Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > >==>> > > > > > >So what type of system do you need for final scratch? > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > -- > > > From: Eric Scuccimarra > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > > > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > > > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these > >reasons ==>> > > > > > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > > > > > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > > > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > > > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > > > latency that low. > > > > > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > > > > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > > > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > > > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > > > > > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > > > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > > > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > > > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > > > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > > > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > > > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > > > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > > > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > > > >tracks with me. > > > > > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never > >have > > > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / > >baggage > > > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > > > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > > > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > > > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, > >but > > > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy > >camper. > > > > > > > >- Giles > > > > > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > > > >-- > > > >Giles Dickerson > > > >Art Director > > > >800 Boylston Street > > > >Boston, MA > > > >02199 > > > >-- > > > >mobile 617 899 9635 > > > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > > > >-> > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECT
RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel]
agreed. agreed. agreed. for more good, even-handed context on globalization and the incredible complexity of the phenomenon, see Naomi Klein's "No Logo." as regards capitalism being the driving force behind techno (or increased gender equality): such an assumption is a denial of human agency. it suggests that people are not creative and simply react reflexively to their surroundings. to me, detroit techno is a living example of the absurdity of that phenomenon. people are creative and unpredictable. they react in interesting and unexpected ways. the genius of ur came from people like mike banks, not from some abandoned buildings downtown. sure, those buildings are part of the story, but the creativity that emerges from human cultures is the most important reason techno or any other form of expression exists. this is what i wrote my thesis on, and i believe it very much. ben On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, James Hurlbut wrote: > (313 reference in third paragraph of reply) > > "... it isn't something that can be 'stopped,' no matter what activists in > Seattle may wish. It simply IS - the dominant economic system governing the > entire post-Cold War world. " > > This is a common and dangerous misconception about the "anti-globalization" > movement. If you look at the most active organizations/people in the > movement you will find that they argue for a different form of > globalization that puts control into the hands of the majority of the > people of a country, the "workers" if your a marxist. It seems that you are > arguing that we should be happy that our corporations are making deals with > small technologically elite ruling classes in other countries, that doesn't > jive with me. I'm not comfortable with my government funding and training > small military controlling classes that rule the majority through terror ( > for obvious examples look at Pinochet in Chile, Sutharta in Indonesia, > Hussein in Iraq, the Shah of Iran ... most latin american countries at some > point in the last century). I'm not comfortable with they way that the US > government does most things. > > "it's like feminists complaining about the 'capitalist patriarchy,' > when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender > equity to exist in the first place." > > Industrial capitalism didn't allow for gender equity to exist, Industrial > workers did. Like the thousands of girls young women who striked for weeks > in the cold of winter at the textile mills in Lowell MA because the working > conditions were horrendous (there was a horrible fire that killed a whole > bunch of workers because the owners would lock the workers in on each > floor, is one of many examples). This is similar to the argument that we > shouldn't be out hollering on the streets about how bad our government is > because we live in an open society. We live in an open society BECAUSE > people have been out hollering on the streets. The US government has > grudgingly had to loosen it's hold on the people because of massive > organizing against racist laws mostly throughout the South, and because of > the early unions who had to battle the National guard just to get us an 8 > hour day! > > As for UR and techno in all of this: UR are capitalists because they live > in a capitalist world, they want to make music so they sell records. Sony > are capitalists because they control the capitalist world (along with AOL > Time warner, Dupont, and the other two or three companies that control most > of today's industry) and because they want to maximize their own profit at > all costs, like a cancer cell. Capitalism is only one way to exchange > information and goods, and to say that UR's beautiful music couldn't exist > without capitalism is, quite frankly, shortsighted and it doesn't give the > music the credit it deserves. > > Jamie > > > > >the very music we cherish is sustained by botique/niche capitalism. the > >technology which allows it to exist is the province of global conglomerates. > >it was inspired, in part, by the assembly line itself. just because the > >music is underground doesn't mean it's Marxist. the very idea that you could > >love techno music and not implicitly embrace or at least reconcile yourself > >with capitalism is, itself, a product of capitalist consumer lifestyle > >choice. it's like feminists complaining about the "capitalist patriarchy," > >when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender > >equity to exist in the first place. > > > >take UR as an example. they exist to "fight the programmers" through sonic > >revolution. but they're actually a business proposition. their music and > >iconography may explicitly and implicitly critique the homogenizing extremes > >of global capitalism, but it couldn't exist without that capitalism. to me, > >theirs is the real path toward keeping culture vibrant and alive in the face > >of the dominant system of globalization: acceptance of the system a
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
Has anyone read the Neil Stephenson book "In The Beginning Was The Command Line"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:24 PM > To: Grammenos, Peter; Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > ==>> > > When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the > laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of > business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. > > I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. > > At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: > > >I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only > >though... > > > >-p > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM > >To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra > >Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > >==>> > > > > > >So what type of system do you need for final scratch? > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > -- > > > From: Eric Scuccimarra > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > > > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > > > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these > >reasons ==>> > > > > > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > > > > > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > > > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > > > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > > > latency that low. > > > > > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > > > > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > > > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > > > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > > > > > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > > > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > > > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > > > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > > > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > > > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > > > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > > > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > > > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > > > >tracks with me. > > > > > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never > >have > > > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / > >baggage > > > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > > > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > > > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > > > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, > >but > > > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy > >camper. > > > > > > > >- Giles > > > > > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > > > >-- > > > >Giles Dickerson > > > >Art Director > > > >800 Boylston Street > > > >Boston, MA > > > >02199 > > > >-- > > > >mobile 617 899 9635 > > > >office 617 369 8601 > > > > > > > >-> > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==> >
Linux huh... That give it a higher geek factor than I had originally given it. Considering that there are patches and drivers for the Linux kernel than allow one to sustain 1ms of audio latency, I'm not that surprised that a Linux version was released. George Jones IV Technical Systems Administrator BBDO Detroit (248) 293-4780 -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:20 PM To: 'Giles Dickerson'; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only though... -p -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or > Windows, is > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to > like 5 > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > latency that low. > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my > opinion. > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most > >probably > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this > >by > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as > >I'm > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > >tracks with me. > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, > >I > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
When they were shipping it out on their laptops they were sending the laptops with a dual boot of Windows and BeOS, I think. Be has been out of business for a while, I thought, but apparently you can still get the OS. I was not aware that it ran on Linux, though. At 04:19 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only though... -p -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > latency that low. > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > >tracks with me. > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel]
(313 reference in third paragraph of reply) "... it isn't something that can be 'stopped,' no matter what activists in Seattle may wish. It simply IS - the dominant economic system governing the entire post-Cold War world. " This is a common and dangerous misconception about the "anti-globalization" movement. If you look at the most active organizations/people in the movement you will find that they argue for a different form of globalization that puts control into the hands of the majority of the people of a country, the "workers" if your a marxist. It seems that you are arguing that we should be happy that our corporations are making deals with small technologically elite ruling classes in other countries, that doesn't jive with me. I'm not comfortable with my government funding and training small military controlling classes that rule the majority through terror ( for obvious examples look at Pinochet in Chile, Sutharta in Indonesia, Hussein in Iraq, the Shah of Iran ... most latin american countries at some point in the last century). I'm not comfortable with they way that the US government does most things. "it's like feminists complaining about the 'capitalist patriarchy,' when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender equity to exist in the first place." Industrial capitalism didn't allow for gender equity to exist, Industrial workers did. Like the thousands of girls young women who striked for weeks in the cold of winter at the textile mills in Lowell MA because the working conditions were horrendous (there was a horrible fire that killed a whole bunch of workers because the owners would lock the workers in on each floor, is one of many examples). This is similar to the argument that we shouldn't be out hollering on the streets about how bad our government is because we live in an open society. We live in an open society BECAUSE people have been out hollering on the streets. The US government has grudgingly had to loosen it's hold on the people because of massive organizing against racist laws mostly throughout the South, and because of the early unions who had to battle the National guard just to get us an 8 hour day! As for UR and techno in all of this: UR are capitalists because they live in a capitalist world, they want to make music so they sell records. Sony are capitalists because they control the capitalist world (along with AOL Time warner, Dupont, and the other two or three companies that control most of today's industry) and because they want to maximize their own profit at all costs, like a cancer cell. Capitalism is only one way to exchange information and goods, and to say that UR's beautiful music couldn't exist without capitalism is, quite frankly, shortsighted and it doesn't give the music the credit it deserves. Jamie the very music we cherish is sustained by botique/niche capitalism. the technology which allows it to exist is the province of global conglomerates. it was inspired, in part, by the assembly line itself. just because the music is underground doesn't mean it's Marxist. the very idea that you could love techno music and not implicitly embrace or at least reconcile yourself with capitalism is, itself, a product of capitalist consumer lifestyle choice. it's like feminists complaining about the "capitalist patriarchy," when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender equity to exist in the first place. take UR as an example. they exist to "fight the programmers" through sonic revolution. but they're actually a business proposition. their music and iconography may explicitly and implicitly critique the homogenizing extremes of global capitalism, but it couldn't exist without that capitalism. to me, theirs is the real path toward keeping culture vibrant and alive in the face of the dominant system of globalization: acceptance of the system and the development of alternative marketplaces. not whinging about "globalization" as if it were something that could be stopped if only we got enough people to sign petitions. brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] submerge.panel yeah this is a little late but. i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world bac
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
I took a look at the website earlier, it can be installed on LINUX. PC only though... -p -Original Message- From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:12 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail); Eric Scuccimarra Subject: RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>> > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > latency that low. > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > >tracks with me. > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
I never quite get the amount of extreme mixed opinion that arises whenever the discussion turns towards Richie Hawtin. Admitedly I haven't heard him play for years and don't confess to be too up on all his current material, but for me back in my clubbing heyday in the early-mid nineties he is one of the guys that I look back on a lot more favourably than most. Tracks like 'Technarchy', 'Technotropic', 'Trac-x' and the early FUSE and Plastikman stuff all pushed the boundaries of electronic dance music, the first time any one of those tracks dropped, nothing quite like them had been heard before. His DJ sets from these eras were never overly innovative, but for me he was definatly among my top 5 DJs ever for pure rock the crowd value, plus he was the first DJ I ever heard to really work the EQs in his sets. Though I got kinda bored with his Decks and FX mix CD after a while, it was still technically outstanding and I feel that the whole deal with Richie is that he has always tried to push the envelope in everything he does, be it in his music, using Final Scratch or in the painstaking re-editing on his latest mix album. And whilst I can't help feeling that it may be an unpopular view on this list I look back on many of his early works and do hold them up with much of Juan or Derrick's stuff. As I said I'm relitivly oblivious to much of his Concept and Minus stuff and from what I can gather it seems like these are largley DJ tools, but even still, they have been released with original concepts and all I can say is fair play to the guy and anyone that thinks his music lacks innovation now needs to listen to his early early nineties stuff and get the full picture. I dropped 'Technotropic' at the 313 party the other week and so wanted to drop 'Technarchy', both those tunes will always rock a crowd. My 2 Pence worth [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
So what type of system do you need for final scratch? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 > -- > From: Eric Scuccimarra > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:05 PM > To: Giles Dickerson; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons > ==>> > > I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is > because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 > ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty > impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio > latency that low. > > And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. > > At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: > >1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably > >from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three > >years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by > >the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the > >emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into > >neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not > >carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. > > > >2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm > >sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of > >records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! > >With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred > >tracks with me. > > > >3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have > >to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage > >claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records > >ripped off? Don't answer that. > > > >All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I > >love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but > >come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. > > > >- Giles > > > >D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > >-- > >Giles Dickerson > >Art Director > >800 Boylston Street > >Boston, MA > >02199 > >-- > >mobile 617 899 9635 > >office 617 369 8601 > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
I think that the reason it's only written for BeOS, not Mac or Windows, is because of the audio latency. The last I heard they had it down to like 5 ms or something. If anyone has ever seen BeOS in action it's pretty impressive. There's no way a Mac or a Windows machine could handle audio latency that low. And 5 ms still isn't all that great for DJ uses, at least in my opinion. At 03:58 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, Giles Dickerson wrote: 1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. 2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred tracks with me. 3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records ripped off? Don't answer that. All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
And I thought I beat the Hawtin-horse dead when rambling about Final Scratch. Next. Vince - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian 'balistic' Prince" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ian Cheshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin? > wow. an entire tirade based on predjudice regarding people's relation to > hippness/drugs/music > > why not try crtiquing just the music instead and not worry about people > come to their conclusions. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: > > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 9:19:12 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: > > > > IC> Embrace everything without prejudice :0) > > > > My love is earned, not automatic. > > > > I have never lived in a world where PLUR seemed like an intelligent > > approach to life. The universe envisioned by its adherents is devoid > > of competition, value, perseverance . . . love is so evenly > > distributed that it becomes meaningless. > > > > A world in which everything is embraced is a world in which nothing > > excels. > > > > "So the kids take a pill to feel the funk and the DJ takes a pill to > > feel the funk. I don't take a pill to feel the funk. Carl don't take a > > pill to feel the funk. Glenn Underground don't take a pill to feel the > > funk. Derrick Carter might take a pill for fun, but not to feel the > > funk." - D. May > > > > So pop a pill, and pretend that the latest Minus is intensely > > engaging, but don't expect me to embrace that. > > > > My techno isn't about turning your brain off. I don't think Juan's or > > Carl's or Derrick's or Shake's is either. I can appreciate a few of > > Hawtin's records, but I strongly suspect that the majority of his fan > > base is pretending to "get it" in an attempt to look smart, the same > > way I did when I first heard him in high school. The same way > > Picasso's ardent admirers do. > > > > Most of the time, there's nothing to get. > > > > - > > Brian "balistic" Prince > > http://www.bprince.com - art and techno > > Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] final scratch ==>> Very Appealing for these reasons ==>>
1. I had spine surgery 1 year ago for an injury I incurred most probably from carrying my records to my radio show and DJ gigs. It caused me three years of unbearable pain (anyone who knew me then can attest to this by the shear number of pills I was taking) and my limp. I ended up in the emergency room in New York and then on Morphine for a week and into neurosurgery. I would like to avid another back injury and therefore not carrying my records to gigs is very appealing. 2. My record bag can only hold 40 - 60 records, and is limiting as I'm sure you all know. You know that moment where you still have apile of records you HAVE to bring with you to this gig but there's just no room! With a big selection of my records on a laptop I can have a few hundred tracks with me. 3. With my music in a laptop or hard drive in my carry-on bag I never have to worry about flying / losing / breaking my records in airports / baggage claims. Ever know anyone that's had a crate of their favorite records ripped off? Don't answer that. All this adds up to me wanting a MAC version. I'll keep buying vinyl, I love listening to it at home and almost all the music I own in on wax, but come on, get that heavy record bag off my shoulder and I'm a happy camper. - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
wow. an entire tirade based on predjudice regarding people's relation to hippness/drugs/music why not try crtiquing just the music instead and not worry about people come to their conclusions. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: > Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 9:19:12 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: > > IC> Embrace everything without prejudice :0) > > My love is earned, not automatic. > > I have never lived in a world where PLUR seemed like an intelligent > approach to life. The universe envisioned by its adherents is devoid > of competition, value, perseverance . . . love is so evenly > distributed that it becomes meaningless. > > A world in which everything is embraced is a world in which nothing > excels. > > "So the kids take a pill to feel the funk and the DJ takes a pill to > feel the funk. I don't take a pill to feel the funk. Carl don't take a > pill to feel the funk. Glenn Underground don't take a pill to feel the > funk. Derrick Carter might take a pill for fun, but not to feel the > funk." - D. May > > So pop a pill, and pretend that the latest Minus is intensely > engaging, but don't expect me to embrace that. > > My techno isn't about turning your brain off. I don't think Juan's or > Carl's or Derrick's or Shake's is either. I can appreciate a few of > Hawtin's records, but I strongly suspect that the majority of his fan > base is pretending to "get it" in an attempt to look smart, the same > way I did when I first heard him in high school. The same way > Picasso's ardent admirers do. > > Most of the time, there's nothing to get. > > - > Brian "balistic" Prince > http://www.bprince.com - art and techno > Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
you're baiting me. i swore i didn't want this thread again...but the sort of close minded segregation of musical styles you propose is the complete opposite of the all encompassing musical environment that gave way to electro/new-wave everything in the early '80s. you don't have to like everything with an 808 beat, but why say this is electro while that isn't in your purist world is petty at best, stagnating at worst. also, consider the word electroCLASH. electro ideas merging with new wave, punk, techno and all sorts of sub-genres. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I really don't want to either but I'm sick of people confusing the > Electroclash music and electro music - they are not one in the same but > when people refer to electro as Tiga, Fischerspooner, Chicks on Speed, Miss > Kitten, etc. as electro it really bugs me just as it bugs Ed DMX. When I > revisited the original Electroclash website I didn't see any electro > artists but lots of electronic pop music. If using elements of electro > (vocoder, 80s style synths sounds) makes you electro then Paul Van Dyk is > Detroit techno. > > MEK > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > et To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > 06/05/02 11:57 AMSubject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > i am not having this thread again. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in > > hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the > Elektroclash > > stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran > > Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > net> To: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >cc: > <313@hyperreal.org> > > 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > > > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", > > Aux > > > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > > > > > they are timeless. > > > > > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ":P" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari > > Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > > mi.net> cc: > > >Subject: Re: [313] > > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > > > > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part > > of > > > something > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare > > to > > > Hawtin?) > > > > > > > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > > > whatnot. > > > > > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after > that.. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > > > -- > > > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -
Re: [313] "hard techno"
so are you saying you only do live PAs? if that's the case than i think i understand what you mean. although i still think you're mistaken. i've seen quite a few live PAs (funkstorung, kid606...) where the artist plays around with outher people's tracks. sort of a live remix if you will (although who can tell what is spontanious and what is pre-programmed). i'm not trying to argue the merits of djing over live (are we do for that thread again? no? good.) final scratch is potentially one of the most interesting dj tools to come out since 1200. if djs are going to play other people's music (which is what djs do) i would much rather here some cool custom edits. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > because I play shows and I get that impression from the people to which I > play music > > -Joe > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > how do you figure? > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > > > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a > laptop > > > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. > > > > > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > > > > "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > > > like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look > though. > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM > > > > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > > > > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > > > > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) > turning > > > > to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > > > > > > > Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] anyone heard this?
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Re: Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
-- Original Message -- From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >have you heard the model 600 track? Good, catchy, and weaker than any of >hawtin's material. > >subjective. i dont believe in subjectivity in music, sorry. the idea that Ja Rule is better than any techno artist just because he sells more records and lots of people love him is a faulty argument. some music MUST be naturally superior music. tom andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: [313] submerge.panel
Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 12:17:08 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came: >> technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the >> haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse >> degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone >> would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general >> for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i can >> only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. LKS> how would you measure this? Average life expectancy, infant mortality rates, literacy, et cetera. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] submerge.panel
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jayson B. wrote: > technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the > haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse > degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone > would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general > for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i can > only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. how would you measure this? peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] logic
anyone have the logic 5.1? if so hit me back i have a questionprivately if u would... peace www.btownsound.com audiomind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel]
not whinging about "globalization" as if it were something that could be stopped if only we got enough people to sign petitions. god i would so LOVE to see you say this in detroit, to a teamster, a uaw worker..in a town that had one of the most brutal strikes in history that went on for years and years (detroit free press)...would you then have the balls to go up to them to a group of them and say to their face "stop whining" *laughs* the level of disrespect of this post doesn't warrant my time/enegy -k mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT?
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RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT?
i'm speaking in general terms, and you keep speaking in specific terms. think about that, and only then respond. From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jayson B.'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:38:49 +0200 200 years ago those childs in china could have better way of life. it was before the opuiom war, china was a decaying empire, even a poor man (if he passed the tests) had the chance to be "clerk" - like a noble man in china, the empire was ruled by a nice system (that was sort-of made by KONG-FU-SI). they didn`t work in a large factory doing footballs all day. the worse thing they could do was to be farmers or soemthing like, making food or some easy work. and yes some alot of opium i don`t think u know too many facts about what was happening and what is happedning now READ MORE history.. than answer kind regards Yair. -Original Message- From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:38 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? Ask those little china kids if two hundred years ago they would have been in the same position, or worse. I'm saying in general terms, that life HAS improved, and that certain aspects of it really aren't going to change, because THEY HAVE NEVER CHANGED. >From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:23:23 +0200 > >well, i am sorry to say that life now is better than it was lets say 200 >years ago. >thats what some people would like you to think. >all things r changing and nothing is really changing. good and bad r un >relevant critiras , which r too >relative, too have a good answer do we REALLY live better? >i think that 200 years ago people killed other people and that never >changed. >i know 200 years ago people uprest other people that didn`t change. >did technology really changed that? ask those little boys who work for nike >in china they would answer you >with something else. >the people with power would like u to think u r doing so good life has >never >been so good? but is this really true? >give it some real thinking, and than answer. > >kind regards. Yair/micropeople/telaviv > > >-Original Message- >From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:20 PM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel > > >technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the >haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse >degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone >would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general >for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i >can > >only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. > > >that and i want the new nord lead like i'm in heat ;-) > >_ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT?
200 years ago those childs in china could have better way of life. it was before the opuiom war, china was a decaying empire, even a poor man (if he passed the tests) had the chance to be "clerk" - like a noble man in china, the empire was ruled by a nice system (that was sort-of made by KONG-FU-SI). they didn`t work in a large factory doing footballs all day. the worse thing they could do was to be farmers or soemthing like, making food or some easy work. and yes some alot of opium i don`t think u know too many facts about what was happening and what is happedning now READ MORE history.. than answer kind regards Yair. -Original Message- From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:38 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? Ask those little china kids if two hundred years ago they would have been in the same position, or worse. I'm saying in general terms, that life HAS improved, and that certain aspects of it really aren't going to change, because THEY HAVE NEVER CHANGED. >From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:23:23 +0200 > >well, i am sorry to say that life now is better than it was lets say 200 >years ago. >thats what some people would like you to think. >all things r changing and nothing is really changing. good and bad r un >relevant critiras , which r too >relative, too have a good answer do we REALLY live better? >i think that 200 years ago people killed other people and that never >changed. >i know 200 years ago people uprest other people that didn`t change. >did technology really changed that? ask those little boys who work for nike >in china they would answer you >with something else. >the people with power would like u to think u r doing so good life has >never >been so good? but is this really true? >give it some real thinking, and than answer. > >kind regards. Yair/micropeople/telaviv > > >-Original Message- >From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:20 PM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel > > >technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the >haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse >degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone >would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general >for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i >can > >only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. > > >that and i want the new nord lead like i'm in heat ;-) > >_ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Hmm Dreciya DJ's?
FYI Hello from Warp, MAGIC BUS TOUR UPDATE: 11am Tuesday. Arrive back in London after 3 weeks round Europe and 1 Week around the UK. Highlights. Seeing people going crazy to new Warp music and films. Lowlights. Realising that the magic bus tour is coming to an end. However, there are two more shows to go and they are set to be ultra magic. Thursday 6th June. London. Plaid (Live) Drexciyen DJ Stingray (Detroit) Jamie Lidell (live) LFO DJ Richard Devine (live) Russell Haswell (HDJ) Cassetteboy (live digital playback) Warp DJs + Warp Film Room Electrowerkz Two. EC1 (Behind Angel Tube Station). 8 - 2 ish. Tickets £12.50 advance from Rough Trade Covent Garden 02072400105, Smallfish 02077392252, Electrowerkz 02078376419 and www.stargreen.com Friday 7th June. Dublin. Plaid (Live) Drexciyen DJ Stingray (Detroit) Keith Tenniswood (Two Lone Swordsmen) DJ Maddog Couger Wallice (Rephlex) Warp DJs Temple Bar Music Centre. 8ish - 3am ish Tickets from: Big Brother, Road, Freebird, Commet & www.powerfm.org www.warprecords.com for more information. ANTI POP CONSORTIUM APC have just confirmed a tour with DJ Shadow for the United States. Here are the dates: Mon 06/03/02 New York, NY Irving Plaza Tue 06/04/02 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom Thu 06/06/02 Chicago, IL Park West Fri 06/07/02 Minneapolis, MN First Avenue Sun 06/09/02 Seattle, WA Showbox Tue 06/11/02 San Fran, CA The Fillmore Wed 06/12/02 Los Angeles, CA Mayan Theatre You can also catch them at Barcelona's Sonar festival on the 15th June. http://www.sonar.es/ So as you see, plenty of fun for all. Peace! To subscribe to the Warp mailing list send a blank email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe from the Warp mailing list (boo!) send a blank email to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Words, Jpegs, etc for the site please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Loudboxer-speedy J
Greetings all... I realize there was a thread about this a few weeks back, however... I like what I have heard from this record (Loudboxer-speedy J) What else would you recommend? Thanks, j This transmission is confidential and intended solely for the person or organization to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you believe you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT?
Ask those little china kids if two hundred years ago they would have been in the same position, or worse. I'm saying in general terms, that life HAS improved, and that certain aspects of it really aren't going to change, because THEY HAVE NEVER CHANGED. From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:23:23 +0200 well, i am sorry to say that life now is better than it was lets say 200 years ago. thats what some people would like you to think. all things r changing and nothing is really changing. good and bad r un relevant critiras , which r too relative, too have a good answer do we REALLY live better? i think that 200 years ago people killed other people and that never changed. i know 200 years ago people uprest other people that didn`t change. did technology really changed that? ask those little boys who work for nike in china they would answer you with something else. the people with power would like u to think u r doing so good life has never been so good? but is this really true? give it some real thinking, and than answer. kind regards. Yair/micropeople/telaviv -Original Message- From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i can only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. that and i want the new nord lead like i'm in heat ;-) _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
> So pop a pill, and pretend that the latest Minus is intensely > engaging, but don't expect me to embrace that. > > My techno isn't about turning your brain off. I don't think Juan's or > Carl's or Derrick's or Shake's is either. I can appreciate a few of > Hawtin's records, but I strongly suspect that the majority of his fan > base is pretending to "get it" in an attempt to look smart, the same > way I did when I first heard him in high school. The same way > Picasso's ardent admirers do. > > Most of the time, there's nothing to get. > the only thing to get is wheather you enjoy it or not. and comparing rich to those above is apples and oranges - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] OT: globalization [was: sumberge.panel]
"increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries" h. maybe because instead of the entire country being poor, globalization has allowed a technological elite to emerge into standards of living on par with the middle classes of a "first world" country? is nationwide poverty somehow better than ecomomic "inequality"? try telling that to telecommuting IT workers in india. it's true globalization has had negative effects on the poorest households in developed nations, but it's also had a positive effect on the rising middle classes of developing nations. globalization isn't a bad thing, and it isn't something that can be "stopped," no matter what activists in Seattle may wish. It simply IS - the dominant economic system governing the entire post-Cold War world. the very music we cherish is sustained by botique/niche capitalism. the technology which allows it to exist is the province of global conglomerates. it was inspired, in part, by the assembly line itself. just because the music is underground doesn't mean it's Marxist. the very idea that you could love techno music and not implicitly embrace or at least reconcile yourself with capitalism is, itself, a product of capitalist consumer lifestyle choice. it's like feminists complaining about the "capitalist patriarchy," when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender equity to exist in the first place. take UR as an example. they exist to "fight the programmers" through sonic revolution. but they're actually a business proposition. their music and iconography may explicitly and implicitly critique the homogenizing extremes of global capitalism, but it couldn't exist without that capitalism. to me, theirs is the real path toward keeping culture vibrant and alive in the face of the dominant system of globalization: acceptance of the system and the development of alternative marketplaces. not whinging about "globalization" as if it were something that could be stopped if only we got enough people to sign petitions. brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:15 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] submerge.panel yeah this is a little late but. i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world back to the music kathleen mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] submerge.panel- technology OT?
well, i am sorry to say that life now is better than it was lets say 200 years ago. thats what some people would like you to think. all things r changing and nothing is really changing. good and bad r un relevant critiras , which r too relative, too have a good answer do we REALLY live better? i think that 200 years ago people killed other people and that never changed. i know 200 years ago people uprest other people that didn`t change. did technology really changed that? ask those little boys who work for nike in china they would answer you with something else. the people with power would like u to think u r doing so good life has never been so good? but is this really true? give it some real thinking, and than answer. kind regards. Yair/micropeople/telaviv -Original Message- From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] submerge.panel technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i can only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. that and i want the new nord lead like i'm in heat ;-) _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology
Something to ponder: Perhaps a technology based culture isn't what every society needs or wants. While admitting that technological advancements in sanitation and medicine are universally beneficial, one could also argue that every family in the world having a computer and internet connection would simply lead to cultural homogenization and not necessarily mean "a better life for everyone". Agreed that societies which are technologically advanced have a "competitive advantage" in the global economy, but should all cultures be forced into global capitalism and the technology race? g On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 12:21 PM, James Hurlbut wrote: I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is a root cause of the massive inequality of the world. I think technology is neutral, it is a tool whose use can be motivated by greed and profit or by social consciousness. The current tide of "globalism from below", a historic network of independent media reporters, organizers, and activists exists today because of "widespread" deployment of communication technology throughout the first and and parts of the third world. Events like the World Social Forum at Port Alegro Brazil or the Seattle protests couldn't have been organized without technology. I'm not delusional, I know 3/5 of the world's population doesn't have clean sanitation let alone have used a telephone, but that's more of a reason we need to focus on getting technology in the hands of the disempowered rather than wishing it would go away. My two cents, back to techno. At 10:15 AM 6/5/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah this is a little late but. i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world back to the music kathleen mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _,.., /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ jamie /| /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/,-' hurlbut / / /_/_/_/_/_/_/,-'/ / /_/_/_/_/_/_,:../ / |,' hurlbotics.com |/ ' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
My techno isn't about turning your brain off. I don't think Juan's or Carl's or Derrick's or Shake's is either have you heard the model 600 track? Good, catchy, and weaker than any of hawtin's material. subjective. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] submerge.panel
technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in general for the entire world is better now than it was even 200 years ago, and i can only see it continuing to get better BECAUSE of technology. that and i want the new nord lead like i'm in heat ;-) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 9:19:12 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: IC> Embrace everything without prejudice :0) My love is earned, not automatic. I have never lived in a world where PLUR seemed like an intelligent approach to life. The universe envisioned by its adherents is devoid of competition, value, perseverance . . . love is so evenly distributed that it becomes meaningless. A world in which everything is embraced is a world in which nothing excels. "So the kids take a pill to feel the funk and the DJ takes a pill to feel the funk. I don't take a pill to feel the funk. Carl don't take a pill to feel the funk. Glenn Underground don't take a pill to feel the funk. Derrick Carter might take a pill for fun, but not to feel the funk." - D. May So pop a pill, and pretend that the latest Minus is intensely engaging, but don't expect me to embrace that. My techno isn't about turning your brain off. I don't think Juan's or Carl's or Derrick's or Shake's is either. I can appreciate a few of Hawtin's records, but I strongly suspect that the majority of his fan base is pretending to "get it" in an attempt to look smart, the same way I did when I first heard him in high school. The same way Picasso's ardent admirers do. Most of the time, there's nothing to get. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] from env- ISO Puzzlebox/Keith Tucker
please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have a working contact (phone best, email 2nd) for Keith Tucker or Puzzlebox? I've tried a bunch of addresses to no avail. Please reply privately - or if KT is reading, please email. Thank you, -mg @ environ PS: Cool to read the report Minto - hope Mike Banks is doing well, it sounds like it! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] submerge.panel
Kathleen, I wasn't at the panel, and I do very much understand your point about the role of technology in globalization and economic inequality. However, keep in mind that (to use a little Marxist terminology), the productive forces, technology as such, are entirely bound by and exist only for the sake of the relations of production (capitalism and the need for companies to make a profit.) It is impossible to say what technology is "in itself"; any technological product is made with the intent to make a profit, not to explore what might be done with technology taken to its utopian extremes. Technology has the potential to feed everyone, to clothe and shelter every one, but that just isn't a "sound business investment." For technology to meet its potential, we need technologically savvy people who are willing to develop technology for humane and utopian purposes that will benefit all humanity (not to mention the other living beings that we share planet earth with.) I take the view that technology could be a very great thing, but we as human beings have so far been more interested in using technology to blow people up or rehash obsolete products in order to make a profit. /dave Original Message Follows From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: [313] submerge.panel Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:15:20 -0400 yeah this is a little late but. i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world back to the music kathleen __ Paul Virilio: "Resistance is always possible! But we must engage in resistance first of all by developing the idea of a technological culture. However, at the present time, this idea is grossly underdeveloped. For example, we have developed an artistic and a literary culture. Nevertheless, the ideals of technological culture remain underdeveloped and therefore outside of popular culture and the practical ideals of democracy. This is also why society as a whole has no control over technological developments. And this is one of the gravest threats to democracy in the near future. " _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
well they love it when you use technology to come up with things of your own, but I still dont think it would fly if I showed up and started playing boy george remixes. :) - Original Message - From: "kataconda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > if it sounds good people might forgive you for using technology in techno > kataconda > > > because I play shows and I get that impression from the people to which I > > play music > > > > -Joe > --- > > > how do you figure? > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > > > > > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a > > laptop > > > > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me > mid-set. > > > > > > > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > > > > > > > -Joe > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
I really don't want to either but I'm sick of people confusing the Electroclash music and electro music - they are not one in the same but when people refer to electro as Tiga, Fischerspooner, Chicks on Speed, Miss Kitten, etc. as electro it really bugs me just as it bugs Ed DMX. When I revisited the original Electroclash website I didn't see any electro artists but lots of electronic pop music. If using elements of electro (vocoder, 80s style synths sounds) makes you electro then Paul Van Dyk is Detroit techno. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: <313@hyperreal.org> 06/05/02 11:57 AMSubject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) i am not having this thread again. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in > hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the Elektroclash > stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran > Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. > > MEK > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > net> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", > Aux > > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > > > they are timeless. > > > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > ":P" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari > Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > mi.net> cc: > >Subject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part > of > > something > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare > to > > Hawtin?) > > > > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > > whatnot. > > > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > > > :) > > > > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > > -- > > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL
Re: [313] "hard techno"
if it sounds good people might forgive you for using technology in techno kataconda > because I play shows and I get that impression from the people to which I > play music > > -Joe --- > > how do you figure? > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > > > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a > laptop > > > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. > > > > > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > > > > > -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title
No, you don't. Oops. You mean One Way's "Cutie Pie". I'll just not bother with these emails, as I am detecting a downward trend... - Original Message - From: "Jonny McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Giles Dickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title > I'm pretty sure you mean, Dayton "Cutie Pie", which is on the album of the > same name. It was reissued recently - I've seen it in HMV. > > - Original Message - > From: "Giles Dickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:00 PM > Subject: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title > > > Can anyone tell me which full albums the following songs are on (Vinyl) : > > Zapp "More Bounce to the Ounce" ? > One Way "Cutie Pie"? > > - Giles > > D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > -- > Giles Dickerson > Art Director > 800 Boylston Street > Boston, MA > 02199 > -- > mobile 617 899 9635 > office 617 369 8601 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] submerge.panel
how can technology be blamed for this? this is human nature. kataconda -- i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world back to the music kathleen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title
"More Bounce" is on the first Zapp album, "Zapp", and I'm not too sure about "Cutie Pie". There was a One Way compilation-type thing released in the mid-1990s, but I don't think it came out on vinyl to be honest! If you download "Nasty Rock" by Garrett's Crew on mp3, and give it a listen, that'll be another one you'll most certainly want to pick up on vinyl too... :) Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Giles Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 June 2002 18:01 > To: 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail) > Subject: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title > > > Can anyone tell me which full albums the following songs are > on (Vinyl) : > > Zapp "More Bounce to the Ounce" ? > One Way "Cutie Pie"? > > - Giles > > D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > -- > Giles Dickerson > Art Director > 800 Boylston Street > Boston, MA > 02199 > -- > mobile 617 899 9635 > office 617 369 8601 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Legal Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes only. our website at: http://www.widelearning.com Wide Learning is a trading name of Wide Multimedia Ltd Registered office: 33-41 Dallington Street, London EC1V 0BB Company number: 3339664 VAT number: 690 8399 83 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title
I'm pretty sure you mean, Dayton "Cutie Pie", which is on the album of the same name. It was reissued recently - I've seen it in HMV. - Original Message - From: "Giles Dickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title Can anyone tell me which full albums the following songs are on (Vinyl) : Zapp "More Bounce to the Ounce" ? One Way "Cutie Pie"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
because I play shows and I get that impression from the people to which I play music -Joe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > how do you figure? > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > > > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a laptop > > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. > > > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > > > -Joe > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look though. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM > > > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > > > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning > > > to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there > > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > > > > > Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology
Original Message: - From: James Hurlbut [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:21:43 -0700 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is a root cause of the massive inequality of the world. did i say root cause? i said contributed to, played a large part in the _growing_ inequality..please don't just _react_ to what people write I think technology is neutral, it is a tool whose use can be motivated by greed and profit or by social consciousness. i totally agree...this concept has created what is called "appropriate use" what forms of technology will help people in developing countries..however numerous studies have shown that globalization thus far has increased the inequities not decreased and so to blindly be pro-technology w/o framing it is irresponsible imo The current tide of "globalism from below", a historic network of independent media reporters, organizers, and activists exists today because of "widespread" deployment of communication technology throughout the first and and parts of the third world. Events like the World Social Forum at Port Alegro Brazil or the Seattle protests couldn't have been organized without technology. uh my housemate went to the first and i've been at every major wto protest..in addition as an activist i am well aware of the benefits technology ..the additions to my arsenal have had unmeasurable benefits I'm not delusional, I know 3/5 of the world's population doesn't have clean sanitation let alone have used a telephone, but that's more of a reason we need to focus on getting technology in the hands of the disempowered rather than wishing it would go away. My two cents, back to techno. i apologize if you read my statement ot mean i'm pro-luddite if you knew me you would realize that that concept is laughable.. kathleen mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] traxx
http://www.gigolo-records.de look under artists> traxx & deecoy On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > anybody have any info on traxx? Does he have any mix cds? or 12"s? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] non-techno mail
I find that surprising that anyone likes what Moby is doing now... I saw his appearance on Saturday Night Live a little while ago with 4 friends (not techno headz), and EVERYONE in the room thought it sucked! It sounded like a hodge podge of everything that was supposed to be "hip", something for the kids to gobble up, and ends up not being hip in the slightest. As for sounding like Joy Division... I won't grace that with a response... lol Humming to myself: "love, love will tear us apart, again." Paul Virilio: "Resistance is always possible! But we must engage in resistance first of all by developing the idea of a technological culture. However, at the present time, this idea is grossly underdeveloped. For example, we have developed an artistic and a literary culture. Nevertheless, the ideals of technological culture remain underdeveloped and therefore outside of popular culture and the practical ideals of democracy. This is also why society as a whole has no control over technological developments. And this is one of the gravest threats to democracy in the near future. " _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
how do you figure? On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, :P wrote: > I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a laptop > and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. > > (not that I yearn to do this) > > -Joe > > - Original Message - > From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > > > > "hard techno will never die as long as there > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look though. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM > > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning > > to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there > > are kids who want to dance." > > > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > > > Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
i am not having this thread again. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in > hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the Elektroclash > stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran > Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. > > MEK > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > net> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", > Aux > > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > > > they are timeless. > > > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > ":P" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari > Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > mi.net> cc: > >Subject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part > of > > something > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare > to > > Hawtin?) > > > > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > > whatnot. > > > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > > > :) > > > > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > > -- > > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] LP ID => I have the songs I need the album title
Can anyone tell me which full albums the following songs are on (Vinyl) : Zapp "More Bounce to the Ounce" ? One Way "Cutie Pie"? - Giles D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] traxx
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Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
Electro is a product of the 80s and has never stopped: "Blending '70s funk with the emerging hip-hop culture and synthesizer technology of the early '80s produced the style known alternately as Electro. But what seemed to be a brief fad for the public ? no more than two or three hits, including Afrikaa Bambaataa's "Planet Rock" and Grandmaster Flash's "The Message," neither of which made the pop Top 40 ? was in fact a fertile testing ground for innovators who later diverged into radically different territory, including Dr. Dre (who worked with the World Class Wreckin' Cru) and techno godfather Juan Atkins (with Cybotron). Electro also provided an intriguing new direction for one of the style's prime influences: Herbie Hancock, whose 1973 Headhunters album proved a large fusion hit, came storming back in 1983 with the electro single "Rockit." Despite its successes (documented in full on Rhino's four-disc Electric Funk set), the style was quickly eclipsed by the mid-'80s rise of hip-hop music built around samples (often from rock records) rather than musical synthesizers. Nevertheless, many techno and dance artists continued harking back to the sound, and a full-fledged electro revival emerged in Detroit and Britain during the mid-'90s." http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=C2785 MEK ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mi.net> cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) 06/05/02 11:39 AM electro is heavily influenced by the 80s. electro is driving the prices of tr-808s back up. -Joe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in > hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the Elektroclash > stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran > Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. > > MEK > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > net> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", > Aux > > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > > > they are timeless.
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
electro is heavily influenced by the 80s. electro is driving the prices of tr-808s back up. -Joe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in > hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the Elektroclash > stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran > Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. > > MEK > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > net> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > > > > > > and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", > Aux > > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > > > they are timeless. > > > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > ":P" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari > Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > mi.net> cc: > >Subject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part > of > > something > > > > -Joe > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare > to > > Hawtin?) > > > > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > > whatnot. > > > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > > > :) > > > > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > > -- > > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
I think its bullshit that DJs can do this but if I showed up with a laptop and started playing remixed tracks off it, people would stab me mid-set. (not that I yearn to do this) -Joe - Original Message - From: "George Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [313] "hard techno" > "hard techno will never die as long as there > are kids who want to dance." > > like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look though. > > - Original Message - > From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM > Subject: [313] "hard techno" > > > I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle > building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning > to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there > are kids who want to dance." > > Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. > > Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
No I'm not narrowly defining what electro is - electro has it's roots in hip-hop/funk culture - I haven't heard too much of that in the Elektroclash stuff - which leans toward and practically rips-off New Order/Duran Duran/Patrick Cowley/Sylvester/Moroder/any ol' 80s synthpop group. MEK <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: <313@hyperreal.org> 06/05/02 11:16 AMSubject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", Aux > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > they are timeless. > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > MEK > > > > > ":P" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > mi.net> cc: >Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part of > something > > -Joe > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to > Hawtin?) > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > whatnot. > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > > :) > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > -- > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] "hard techno"
"hard techno will never die as long as there are kids who want to dance." like folk music on an accordian? it's still there, you got to look though. - Original Message - From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: [313] "hard techno" I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning to me and boldly stating "hard techno will never die as long as there are kids who want to dance." Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. Leslie "hardcore, you know the score" Rollins - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
>that's like saying that any dj's set is pre-programmed by the records in >his box. if anything, FS makes available to him a far wider range of >material, including custom edits. it arguably un-programs his sets. but I read in an interview that Richie was doing earl;ier this year and he stated that he can cut & past his set how he wants it on the plane before he turns up. so it is pre-programmed :( no. reread that very article. He talked about re-editing TRACKS, not his set. He specifically talked about cutting and pasting missy elliot's, 'get ur freak on.' _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] "hard techno"
I can vividly recall after a devastatingly hard night at the Bankle building, Robert Smith (anyone remember him or have a contact?) turning to me and boldly stating hard techno will never die as long as there are kids who want to dance. Funny how some subjects never really veer too far off the beaten path. Leslie hardcore, you know the score Rollins - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Track ID
Maybe so (thanks Jason), but I could have sworn it sounded more 'modern' than that. It even had sort of a muffled electric guitar type sound looped in the background, and the kick and hats gave me the impression that it was from the present genre... JB -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:15 PM To: Joe Babylon; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Track ID I believe that would be "Hypnotic Tango" by My Mine. It's a sick old Italo record from the early 80's. Carl sampled it (and everything else ;-). The original blows away that 69 track, IMHO. -J on 6/4/02 12:25 PM, Joe Babylon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey guys, > > Not sure how well of a description I can give this one, but it seemed to > have an identical synth riff as the one in "Poi et Pas" (Carl Craig, green > 69 record) to a stripped down house beatanyone? > > It was played twice in one night at 'Works' on Friday night of the DEMF > weekend, and I wasn't able to approach the crowded booth at that time! > > Thanks > > JB > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re[2]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
Embrace everything without prejudice :0) -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 June 2002 18:24 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re[2]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin? IC> Thats such a non techno attitude man, thats really gets my goat..sorry but IC> should we not IC> embrace not disgrace.. Care to summarize the official techno attitude for us? - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology
I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is a root cause of the massive inequality of the world. I think technology is neutral, it is a tool whose use can be motivated by greed and profit or by social consciousness. The current tide of "globalism from below", a historic network of independent media reporters, organizers, and activists exists today because of "widespread" deployment of communication technology throughout the first and and parts of the third world. Events like the World Social Forum at Port Alegro Brazil or the Seattle protests couldn't have been organized without technology. I'm not delusional, I know 3/5 of the world's population doesn't have clean sanitation let alone have used a telephone, but that's more of a reason we need to focus on getting technology in the hands of the disempowered rather than wishing it would go away. My two cents, back to techno. At 10:15 AM 6/5/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah this is a little late but. i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world back to the music kathleen mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _,.., /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ jamie /| /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/,-' hurlbut / / /_/_/_/_/_/_/,-'/ / /_/_/_/_/_/_,:../ / |,' hurlbotics.com |/ ' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
and there "you" go, narrowly defining a word to only fit what you like. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy > (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", Aux > 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - > > they are timeless. > > See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) > > MEK > > > > > ":P" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari Karipuro" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > mi.net> cc: >Subject: Re: [313] > Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > 06/05/02 09:04 AM > > > > > > > nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* > > both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part of > something > > -Joe > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to > Hawtin?) > > > > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > > whatnot. > > > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > > :) > > > > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > > -- > > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
IC> Thats such a non techno attitude man, thats really gets my goat..sorry but IC> should we not IC> embrace not disgrace.. Care to summarize the official techno attitude for us? - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
oh please. if you've never gone past 7am without 'help' than that's your problem. maybe you don't love the music as much as you think. i'm not saying there weren't people using assistance, but there were definately more wasted folks at 3am than at 7am. here's a concept, how hardcore are the folks at 9am who are completely on the comedown, but don't go home because they want to hear more. the iron man of the whole demf was mike reuben (is he on this list?) the guy doesn't drink, drug, smoke, or maybe even do caffine (i don't remember since i was hammered when he told me). nevertheless i saw him out superlatenight every day fo the fest. but back to my point that is an ignorant statement, and the sort of generalization that has persistantly dogged our culture and has for the most part resulted in the stagnation of electronic party culture in america (note- i did not say music, i said party) please keep you cynical remarks to yourself, i can't speak for the rest of the board, but i don't come here to have my culture shat upon. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, shower_blue wrote: > yeah, cuz ya know the people who are only there for the music and not on > pharms > are the ones still going at 7 am... > > > > I would assume the opposite: that he plays the harder, more straight-ahead > > stuff at the beginninng to satisfy the partiers and the when they leave he > > plays to the music fans. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? actually rethinking this i remembered that O.H.G.R already crossed over electro-clash and ebm on their previous (and first) album, WELT. (btw its Nivek Ogre's new band. he was in Skinny Puppy :) same goes for Download - Effector, a project by another ex-Skinny Puppy -member, Cevin Key (and some other people). sakke -- "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
sorry but don't know about you but I don't think Pharms comes into it.. man I hate this refferal to pharms re: dance music... I think you'll find drugs in general have been around alot longer than music unless the marijuana plant banged out musical tunes as well when it bloomed... Thats such a non techno attitude man, thats really gets my goat..sorry but should we not embrace not disgrace.. -Original Message- From: shower_blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 June 2002 16:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin? yeah, cuz ya know the people who are only there for the music and not on pharms are the ones still going at 7 am... > > I would assume the opposite: that he plays the harder, more straight-ahead > stuff at the beginninng to satisfy the partiers and the when they leave he > plays to the music fans. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Lost
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Re: [313] Techno Exhibit at Detroit Historical Museum
Rare and nice to see that Eddie Fowlkes is mentioned in the same breath as Derrik, Kevin and Juan as the originators of techno. All we need now is for Shake and Blake Baxter to get a mention :) > http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo_techno/index.asp > > The Detroit Historical Museum is going to do an exhibit on techno! could be > interesting. > > out > > W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?)
Hold on now - electro is not trendy - *Elektroclash* is trendy (Fischerspooner and the like). Electro, like Herbie Hancock's "Rockit", Aux 88, Kraftwerk, Drexciya, etc. aren't trendy - they are timeless. See - there "they" go again misappropriating the genre... ;) MEK ":P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> mi.net> cc: Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) 06/05/02 09:04 AM nope, the immediate future is electro and micro*.* both are considered trendy among those who need to be trendy to be part of something -Joe - Original Message - From: "Sakari Karipuro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [313] Techno/Industrial (was Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?) > Ian wrote on Wed, 5 Jun 2002 about following: > > > That said, I'm waiting for the EBM revival to rise out of this > > "electro-clash" business. Front 242/Nitzer Ebb cover band, anyone? > > actually front 242 instrumentals (although i definitely like the > vocal versions) are pretty good mixing stuff.. straigth beats and > whatnot. > > anyway, as we've seen genres come and go - what do you people think, > will acidhouse be next big thing? there has been some hints about it > already in this list - and perhaps hip-house quite quickly after that.. > :) > > > sakke, waiting for the youngsters to find out FLA - Mindphaser :) > -- > "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." > - Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode II > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Does anyone compare to Hawtin?
yeah, cuz ya know the people who are only there for the music and not on pharms are the ones still going at 7 am... > > I would assume the opposite: that he plays the harder, more straight-ahead > stuff at the beginninng to satisfy the partiers and the when they leave he > plays to the music fans. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
