Fw: (313) Underated Producers
Okay, the list could go on and on... But we know full well that its pointless to claim that theses people need more gratefulness! [EMAIL PROTECTED] rules the world, just look around its the apology of mediocrity, in any medium. And tiësto serves his musty porridge all over the world, and people ask for more... hmm, im sorry for beeing that manichean, i know its not that simple, but i feel like that right now, sometimes im more than sick of all this stuff. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Scott McGill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: RE: (313) Underated Producers Everyone on Clone actually. Seymour Bits aka Comtron too. All the Delsin guys. All the Iridite guys. Reggie Dokes and Rick Wade over in the UK. I-Cube and Joakim need more respect. Jacek Sienkiewicz for still doing the music that I always want Robert Hood to keep doing. Daniel Wang when he comes to the UK Gabriel Ananda 2 Dollar Egg Arian Leviste Thomas Melchior -Original Message- From: kj at technotourist dot org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 09:06 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers On 1-okt-04, at 18:57, dave cronin wrote: uh yeah. too early. brain work bad. dimension 5 = john harvey optic nerve = keith tucker i really like 'em both. but i meant optic nerve / keith tucker. I totally agree about the Keith Tucker thing! I have said it here before and i'll say it again now but his latest album is really, really good. I am surprised that it didn't got anymore attention around the globe! More underrated producers: Duplex! KJ
Re: (313) Brian Wilson Smile
At 06:05 AM 10/5/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'm stretching it a little here, but have any 313 heads bought the Brian Wilson LP Smile? I'm waiting for the vinyl, but was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it here. Well, I like it - but I was always more of a fan of the Pet Sounds, 20/20 era stuff by Wilson anyway. Cabinessence in particular - which is remade here. jeff
(313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
Anyone see this in action yet? Atlantic Waves is an improvised network music performance by monolake and deadbeat. A special application, the Atlantic Waves Interface III, makes it possible to create muisc together in realtime while being thousands of miles appart. The Atlantic Waves Interface utilises a beautiful graphical surface which is projected during the performance. This interface is simple enough to be controled in real time but allows for building up complex musical structures. It also allows the audience to follow all actions and to become part of the process. Every sound generated has a visual representation and all interaction with the software is displayed. The result is a unique and constantly evolving and changing piece of audio-visual art, created simultaniously in two different locations on this planet. This radical new concept of internet performance provides the bridge between club and fine arts, between computer graphics and music, between installation and improvisation. http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html
Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
anyone who was at YEL 2 in detroit in may did. (if they were upstairs at the time, that is) On Oct 5, 2004, at 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see this in action yet? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
They spelled out the word 'TECHNO' with their sequencer, which as it turns out sounds pretty cool. Matt Kane's Brain writes: anyone who was at YEL 2 in detroit in may did. (if they were upstairs at the time, that is) On Oct 5, 2004, at 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see this in action yet? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
What about the audience interaction bit they describe? MEK Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves 10/05/2004 07:37 PM They spelled out the word 'TECHNO' with their sequencer, which as it turns out sounds pretty cool. Matt Kane's Brain writes: anyone who was at YEL 2 in detroit in may did. (if they were upstairs at the time, that is) On Oct 5, 2004, at 20:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see this in action yet? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
I didn't notice any audience interaction, but I wasn't in that room the whole time. I've always thought it'd be fun to make one's filter/cutoff/etc knobs community property, but in that scenario you'd have to accept the possibility that crowd could ruin your sound. :D [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about the audience interaction bit they describe? MEK
Re: (313) Monolake Atlantic Waves
On Oct 5, 2004, at 20:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the audience interaction bit they describe? alas, i was a bit distracted by speedy and mathew jonson at that point. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Speedy J Collabs 100-300 MP3s
www.speedyj.com i assume... is there a click here to have the webmaster killed button that I cant find? hold spacebar and click to access the menu? alt-f-c, -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: (313) Speedy J Collabs 100-300 MP3s Hi All! Sorry if this has already been mentioned but if it hasn't or you missed it the first time there are some tasty MP3 treats up at Speedy J's website. The first one from his Paxahau live set in 2003 is what reminded me of this list so I thought I'd post the links. Enjoy! Leslie --- http://www.speedyj.com/archiv.mp3.files/speedyj-collabs100_webxclusiv.html basj-live performed live at paxahau's yel, st andrews hall, detroit 2003 http://www.speedyj.com/archiv.mp3.files/speedyj-collabs200_webxclusiv.html clicker speedyj_literon http://www.speedyj.com/archiv.mp3.files/speedyj-collabs300_webxclusiv.html dreibonk speedyj_chris liebing There are another 8 MP3s on his site in the SND section but I can't figure out how to give a direct link to it...his site is a little difficult to navigate...but you are rewarded for the effort! http://www.speedyj.com/newsite/home.html
Re: (313) Re: Any news on: The Connection Machine - Painless
i dont appreciate being referred to as a luminary. oh wait, you werent talking about me? :) - Original Message - From: Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: (313) Re: Any news on: The Connection Machine - Painless Jussi Lehtonen wrote: In http://www.downlowmusic.org audio/releases - upcoming the release date for The Connection Machine's new LP is May/June 2004. Has anyone got a clue if this has been only delayed ?and delayed and delayed or cancelled altogether? If it _is_ coming out I hope that there will be a vinyl release also, the site mentions only a CD (blah) ... Jussi Been waiting this record for a 'while' Lehtonen full release will probably not be until next January but I can tell you that there will be a limited quantity available through Submerge in the next couple days. So, those who can't wait may purchase it via SID. There will be a 12 EP to accompany the album (CD only sorry folks) later this winter which will feature a few tracks from the album and an edit by a certain Detroit luminary. hope this helps, minto ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
(313) UR-055
http://www.discogs.com/release/330260 just saw this added to the discogs database. anyone know where i might be able to find a copy? no mention of it on http://www.submerge.com jurren _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
RE: (313) Underated Producers
-Original Message- From: Scott McGill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 23:18 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Underated Producers Arian Leviste i like his work with John Tejada, anyone got any pointers to solo productions? == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ==
Re: (313) UR-055
looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link http://www.submerge.com/2004/UR7-055_mp3.mp3 hope this helps michael www.renegaderhythms.com http://www.discogs.com/release/330260 just saw this added to the discogs database. anyone know where i might be able to find a copy? no mention of it on http://www.submerge.com jurren _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
Re: (313) UR-055
looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link sound very different. first thing sounds like a weird garage thing, second like, well, dunno! cool. are these Mike Banks tracks? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) UR-055
On Wednesday, October 06, 2004, at 11:47AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link sound very different. first thing sounds like a weird garage thing, second like, well, dunno! cool. are these Mike Banks tracks? AFAIK this is Gerald Mitchell from Soulsaver and Timeline fame. KJ
SV: (313) UR-055
The b-side, Soul Power, is an old previously unreleased z-track isn't it? At least it's many years old... /Hansi -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: on 2004-10-06 12:05 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopia: 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: Re: (313) UR-055 On Wednesday, October 06, 2004, at 11:47AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link sound very different. first thing sounds like a weird garage thing, second like, well, dunno! cool. are these Mike Banks tracks? AFAIK this is Gerald Mitchell from Soulsaver and Timeline fame. KJ
Re: (313) UR-055
Wicked. Ive been dying formthem to release Soul Power. A superb track! - Original Message - From: Güclüer, Hansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: SV: (313) UR-055 The b-side, Soul Power, is an old previously unreleased z-track isn't it? At least it's many years old... /Hansi -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: on 2004-10-06 12:05 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopia: 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: Re: (313) UR-055 On Wednesday, October 06, 2004, at 11:47AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link sound very different. first thing sounds like a weird garage thing, second like, well, dunno! cool. are these Mike Banks tracks? AFAIK this is Gerald Mitchell from Soulsaver and Timeline fame. KJ
Re: (313) UR-055
Hmm, does not sounds typical UR. What do you think of the tracks? Ken - Original Message - From: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) UR-055 Wicked. Ive been dying formthem to release Soul Power. A superb track! - Original Message - From: Güclüer, Hansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: SV: (313) UR-055 The b-side, Soul Power, is an old previously unreleased z-track isn't it? At least it's many years old... /Hansi -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: on 2004-10-06 12:05 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopia: 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: Re: (313) UR-055 On Wednesday, October 06, 2004, at 11:47AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like its not quite out yet but coming very soon..its in the mp3 preview section on the submerge site...here's a link sound very different. first thing sounds like a weird garage thing, second like, well, dunno! cool. are these Mike Banks tracks? AFAIK this is Gerald Mitchell from Soulsaver and Timeline fame. KJ
Re: (313) Underated Producers
Haha, Nice words and I actually agree this statement! Ken - Original Message - From: KiDD*e* [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Fw: (313) Underated Producers Okay, the list could go on and on... But we know full well that its pointless to claim that theses people need more gratefulness! [EMAIL PROTECTED] rules the world, just look around its the apology of mediocrity, in any medium. And tiësto serves his musty porridge all over the world, and people ask for more... hmm, im sorry for beeing that manichean, i know its not that simple, but i feel like that right now, sometimes im more than sick of all this stuff. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Scott McGill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: RE: (313) Underated Producers Everyone on Clone actually. Seymour Bits aka Comtron too. All the Delsin guys. All the Iridite guys. Reggie Dokes and Rick Wade over in the UK. I-Cube and Joakim need more respect. Jacek Sienkiewicz for still doing the music that I always want Robert Hood to keep doing. Daniel Wang when he comes to the UK Gabriel Ananda 2 Dollar Egg Arian Leviste Thomas Melchior -Original Message- From: kj at technotourist dot org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 09:06 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers On 1-okt-04, at 18:57, dave cronin wrote: uh yeah. too early. brain work bad. dimension 5 = john harvey optic nerve = keith tucker i really like 'em both. but i meant optic nerve / keith tucker. I totally agree about the Keith Tucker thing! I have said it here before and i'll say it again now but his latest album is really, really good. I am surprised that it didn't got anymore attention around the globe! More underrated producers: Duplex! KJ
Re: (313) UR-055
DJ Ken wrote with his fingers in his ears: Hmm, does not sounds typical UR. What do you think of the tracks? 'soul power' almost defines UR-sound to me. it's the kind of raw electronic sound that i don't hear anywhere else. 'schoolcraft bump', 'talkin to z' and that double pack (UR-043?) all have this same raw sound to them. i L O V E it! _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
Re: (313) UR-055
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, DJ Ken wrote: Hmm, does not sounds typical UR. What do you think of the tracks? My Ya-Ya reminds me of M.I.A's Schoolcraft Bump / Mississippi Mutants and Soul Power sounds quite a bit like The Martians' Starchild. I like it, ffunky! :) Jussi Lehtonen Metaprogram yourself.
Re: (313) Underated Producers
Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Underated Producers
And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. In fairness, Carl Cox is alright. Plays a lot of bobbins though Nick
Re: (313) Underated Producers
These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? well i don't either as people think of 'technotronic' (techno techno techno techno) and people dancing to car alarms when you mention techno as the music you're into. shame, but what can u do? not sure nasty and cox are to blame for this really tho. if asked i say the music i'm into (or dj) is house and electro. easier that way :) robin...
Re: (313) Underated Producers
LOL. I used to know Carl when he lived with Maxine and sold rave tickets out of his place in Brighton. He was the same then. He'd take bookings for techno nights, raves, house nights, garage nights, jungle nights, death metal nights (well maybe not). Not that I especially have a problem with this, but its just that because he tried to span every genre he never got too deep into any one of them and so all his sets seem to represent the blandest of whatever particular genre hes playing. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex
(313) Funk Faker
http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF141862-01.htm so we gonna see this on vinyl then? from the clips, it's an interesting release. i'd like to see the track House Music as a12 tho. robin...
RE: (313) Funk Faker
Ok, so the scar in the picture is from when he got shot ten years ago, right? Reasons to be chilled eh? k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:11 PM To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Funk Faker http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF141862-01.htm so we gonna see this on vinyl then? from the clips, it's an interesting release. i'd like to see the track House Music as a12 tho. robin...
Re: (313) Underated Producers
And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. In fairness, Carl Cox is alright. Plays a lot of bobbins though I read once that he had to use Sanitry towles between his ears and headphones cos he used to sweat so much during a set he'd end up busting them!
Re: (313) Underated Producers
not sure nasty and cox are to blame for this really tho. Yes, you're right of course. And, I didn't really mean to single those two out. Infact, I have very little problem with most people trying to go about earning their crust. I was just trying to point out that while dj Mani is organising his battles, he's been funding the very people that us here have kind of the same problem with. Do you sort of see my point in a roundabout sort of way? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Funk Faker
On Wed Oct 6 14:10 , robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF141862-01.htm so we gonna see this on vinyl then? from the clips, it's an interesting release. i'd like to see the track House Music as a12 tho. robin... Listenin' to this now. 'Techno Blues' (or whatever people have called it) seems an apt description I think. So any word on vinyl availability dates? Tristan
Re: (313) Funk Faker
as Marsel said a few months back, this is indeed an excellent release. can see why they didn't bother with vinyl, it's a cd kinda thing I reckon. but, yeah, there's deffo a couple on there you could play out, so hope there's a 12 or something! overall, it reminded me very much of a bluesey kind of version of St Germain. not sure if thats a good description though. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
(313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK
RE: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
I think I saw this ad the other night. All I can say is I have been a big Swayzak fan from the start and don't think I will be buying this latest. I have heard the entire album and really dissapointed at where they have gone with their sound and all those horrid (IMHO) vocals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:24:42 -0500 http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK
RE: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
i wish someone told me that before... all those years.. wasted I´m not gettin any younger you know... -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 6 oktober 2004 17:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
RE: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
True, it doesn't. But at the same time I myself don't find the idea of listening to someone else paying their bills very appealing... -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2004 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe
(313) I don't get no respect
M Comic Rodney Dangerfield Dies at Age 82 Oct 5, 7:22 PM EST Rodney Dangerfield, the bug-eyed comic whose self-deprecating one-liners brought him stardom in clubs, television and movies and made his lament I don't get no respect a catchphrase, died Tuesday. He was 82. Dangerfield, who fell into a coma after undergoing heart surgery, died at 1:20 p.m., said publicist Kevin Sasaki. Dangerfield had a heart valve replaced Aug. 25 at the University of California, Los Angeles, Medical Center. Sasaki said in a statement that Dangerfield suffered a small stroke after the operation and developed infectious and abdominal complications. _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
Re: (313) I don't get no respect
pretty much spoke for techno artists around the world... ;) MEK Mike Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org com cc: Subject: (313) I don't get no respect 10/06/2004 10:47 AM M Comic Rodney Dangerfield Dies at Age 82 Oct 5, 7:22 PM EST Rodney Dangerfield, the bug-eyed comic whose self-deprecating one-liners brought him stardom in clubs, television and movies and made his lament I don't get no respect a catchphrase, died Tuesday. He was 82. Dangerfield, who fell into a coma after undergoing heart surgery, died at 1:20 p.m., said publicist Kevin Sasaki. Dangerfield had a heart valve replaced Aug. 25 at the University of California, Los Angeles, Medical Center. Sasaki said in a statement that Dangerfield suffered a small stroke after the operation and developed infectious and abdominal complications. _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
Re: (313) Underated Producers
Carl Cox is a populist DJ, he doesn't pretend to be anything else. I heard his fifth anniversary InTec mix-CD and was surprised at the quality of the label, classic Detroit sounds. Incidentally he has just completed a volume in DMC's Back To Mine series which is very diverse. Surprised he has no 313 classics on there, but he has Diana Ross, Style Council, Loose Ends, 808 State and Leftfield. He's also bought a crib in Melbourne near old pal Eric Powell, and there have been rumours of a residency, but I digress! LOL. I used to know Carl when he lived with Maxine and sold rave tickets out of his place in Brighton. He was the same then. He'd take bookings for techno nights, raves, house nights, garage nights, jungle nights, death metal nights (well maybe not). Not that I especially have a problem with this, but its just that because he tried to span every genre he never got too deep into any one of them and so all his sets seem to represent the blandest of whatever particular genre hes playing. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
I picked up the LP sampler at the weekend, I didn't listen to it completely but have been a fan for a while so assumed it would be okay. I have to say I think Bergerie is okay, it's fairly interesting. Another Way which I think they've released as the A-side is really quite poor. I didn't mind some of the vocals on dirty dancing (car crash was bad) and the vocals on himawari were excellent, but the vocals on this one are really not nice. I think they're sound has taken a real step back, I still think himawari and snowboarding sound fresher than Dirty Dancing and they're most recent efforts. I really think they made a mistake when they stopped the work with theorem, the thx stuff and slave to the hard drive were all excellent. I've listened to the rest of the album and it may just be me but it sounds to me like an underworld album from 5-6 years ago. I understand what they're saying about the electroclash comments but why does all their artwork/style come across in a very electroclash manner? Haven't seen the advert and really don't want to. :( -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
(313) techno isn't selling
I keep hearing this from people - artists, record labels, record stores, etc. but is there any source for stats? I'd like to see some numbers compared from year to year about the drop in sales of DJ vinyl to back up what people are saying. Not that I do or do not believe them, I just would like to know if any group has tracked the sales figures either in a specific country or globally. any DJ trade magazines cover this? MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit mi.net 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/06/2004 11:13 Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? AM techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all. -- From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 2:13 AM techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
Re: (313) techno isn't selling
I have heard this so often - and consistently - from such a cross section that it would be impossible to dispute. The facts speak for themselves. So many distributors have done under, for a start. I think most if not all labels have tracked sales so if you were really determined to verify it beyond hearsay then you would be overwhelmed with evidence. ;) You could chart sales of pop albums - where it's easier to ascertain and access info from Billboard - and work your way down to vinyl and specific genres. It would be interesting for someone to do, I guess, if they had the patience for stats! May be depressing though! I keep hearing this from people - artists, record labels, record stores, etc. but is there any source for stats? I'd like to see some numbers compared from year to year about the drop in sales of DJ vinyl to back up what people are saying. Not that I do or do not believe them, I just would like to know if any group has tracked the sales figures either in a specific country or globally. any DJ trade magazines cover this? MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit mi.net 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/06/2004 11:13 Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? AM techno isnt selling how it used to. I'd hate to have relied on selling my music(ha) for the past few years, as I'd imagine I'd have to make the choice between getting a dayjob or releasing something suited a bit more for mass consumption. enough of me and my recently jaded opinions, sorry. -Joe - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? It is. I went to Japan lately for work and hung out with those guys at a festival I covered. They're not selling out, they're very underground in ethos. They didn't do the ad without thinking and were worried about appearing in it but deemed it a worthwhile outlet since it's hard for them to get exposure elsewhere. They do have a live band type set up now and one of the guys doesn't tour. They have a singer. I think with the changes over the albums they just don't want to get in a stylistic box. They were bewildered with the electroclash tag for Dirty Dancing, saying they'd always done electro. I do remember them playing here years ago and it was very different to what they're doing now. The only small thing I have is if you want to do vocal music you need a good song - a hook - of some kind or the music is in limbo and they need to develop that. Jeff Mills once explained to me and a promoter here that even a techno producer has to have a hook, all music does, and that stuck with me. Hopefully I will post the Swayzak interview soon. Weird - I just saw an advert on tv last night for a phone - there is a guy on a bullet type train and he's walking from car to car. He flips open his phone and it says 'SWAYZAK' on the screen. He then turns around and there is a full glam/garage rock band behind him. Drummer, guitarist, lead singer, etc. Very fuzzed out overdriven guitar rock style. The band was looking quite glam in purple suits and sh*t. Like a very bright version of the Hives. the music was nothing like I've heard from previous Swayzak releases. It sounded nothing like the great deep dub house/techno from Snowbaording..., Himawari, or even the last electrocash one. It was all heard-it-before garage glam rock crap. Can this be the same Swayzak?! MEK
re: (313) techno isn't selling
How about the fact that Nemesis distribution has gone out of business? How about the fact that there's never any more than two people in the dance room at the record stores? How about the fact that the wholesale price on an import is over 8 USD? The stores are only doing techno orders once every three weeks or so (at a lot of places, I know not *all* of them) and allocating their funds to things like hip-hop. I was in the shop the other day, and strangely enough, the whole rap/hip-hop/rb section was booming with customers... something I haven't seen in the house/techno area of the store for QUITE some time. Techno definately isn't selling atm. Matthew http://threeonethree.com Oakland University Classroom Support and Instructional Technical Services Office of Presentation Development 200C Elliott Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 (248) 370-4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: (313) techno isn't selling
yes, as I said, it's not that I don't believe it - I'm just curious to see if there are stats/charts/bar graphs/whatever in any trade magazines. from what I read recently - vinyl is actually becoming popular again, very very slowly, but still... by the way, there's many reasons distribution companies go out of business besides direct result of drop in sales at the retailers. Nemesis could have been managed poorly from within on all sorts of levels. They might have grown out of touch with the changes in the US dance music market. Not saying that's the reason they've closed but it's just an example of things that happen. It's not always 1+1=2. Same goes for record retailers. They open and close more often than distributors I would guess. MEK Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org .educc: Subject: re: (313) techno isn't selling 10/06/2004 11:55 AM How about the fact that Nemesis distribution has gone out of business? How about the fact that there's never any more than two people in the dance room at the record stores? How about the fact that the wholesale price on an import is over 8 USD? The stores are only doing techno orders once every three weeks or so (at a lot of places, I know not *all* of them) and allocating their funds to things like hip-hop. I was in the shop the other day, and strangely enough, the whole rap/hip-hop/rb section was booming with customers... something I haven't seen in the house/techno area of the store for QUITE some time. Techno definately isn't selling atm. Matthew http://threeonethree.com Oakland University Classroom Support and Instructional Technical Services Office of Presentation Development 200C Elliott Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 (248) 370-4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Underated Producers
And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex, 1. What's your problem with Tea. I thought the British like Tea. I'm personally a coffee drinker, but I don't personally have any problem with Tea. What's yours? 2. So how many guys from Renegade Rhythms have you been speaking to on this subject? From my count , it was only 1 person. So where does the plurality come in? 3. Just curious, because your' statement above didn't make sense to me. Actually, I think it's a common Logical Fallacy that you are displaying. A+B=E C+D=E Therefore C+B=E Here's how it plays out: Mani + Carl Cox = Like RenegadeRhythms + Mani = Like therefore Renegade Rhythms + Carl Cox = Like This is called the Fallacy of False Analogy. In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P. Unfortunately Logic doesn't work that way. And the resulting statement is FALSE. If Advent likes Carl Cox (not saying that he does, that was the Alex's words), that's his perogative. It's not going to stop my ears from hurting when I hear Carl's music and mixing. So go ahead and scream, but I've felt nothing from Carl Cox for over 10-12 years (as long as I've known about him). If continue with your logic, I might as well end, that you are British. The British likes the Spice Girls. Therefore you like the Spice Girls. Doesn't make sense does it? Cheers Dave
Re: (313) techno isn't selling
I keep hearing this from people - artists, record labels, record stores, etc. but is there any source for stats? I'd like to see some numbers compared from year to year about the drop in sales of DJ vinyl to back up what people are saying. Not that I do or do not believe them, I just would like to know if any group has tracked the sales figures either in a specific country or globally. any DJ trade magazines cover this? Hi Michael, I really don't think these statistics are available. In the US, these are kept by the RIAA (http://www.riaa.org) and internationally it is keptby International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (http://www.ifpi.org). But they don't break it down into Genre's. And I'm sure that you're average small mom and pop record store isn't reporting their sales to the RIAA. So you have a breakdown. The only people that really know in the Techno world are the artists, record labels, distributors, and record stores that are seeing that they aren't selling as much now as what they were. If I'm wrong, please point me to these statistics, as I and many other people would love to see the break down of Dance Music sales over the last 10 years. Cheers... Dave
RE: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
i quite like the new swayzak, certainly more than the last one. with teh exception of the track used in the ad (i havenn't seen it) i found it to be a clever mix of minimal house and pop, more on the former than the latter. y'all should read my article in the current URB to get my full opinion ;) On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, LR T wrote: I think I saw this ad the other night. All I can say is I have been a big Swayzak fan from the start and don't think I will be buying this latest. I have heard the entire album and really dissapointed at where they have gone with their sound and all those horrid (IMHO) vocals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:24:42 -0500 http://www.swayzak.com/index_old.html Swayzak to feature in Hellomoto commercial. Soon to be aired in North America, the clip features the song 'SPEAKEASY', from the new LP. The band also appear in the ad, looking good in suits. The new hellomoto phone features mp3 player with the abilty to download and stream audio whilst on the move, compatible with itunes, it takes portable digital music to the next level. anyone else see this? wasn't there a Cure song about always jumping on someone else's train? ;) MEK
RE: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound
True, it doesn't. But at the same time I myself don't find the idea of listening to someone else paying their bills very appealing... Brendan- i will be sampling this phrase in my writing. and you will not be given credit ;) -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2004 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) This IS the new Swayzak sound glad he's making money. artistic integrity doesn't pay the bills -Joe
Re: (313) Underated Producers
i just popped in to see carl for a bit last week (hey- i'm in LA, not a lot of techno options). To my amusement, he is STILL sporting Motor-Detroit t-shirts. he might not play detroit, but he sure 'sweats' detroit. that poor, stinky stretched out t-shirt =P On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Carl Cox is a populist DJ, he doesn't pretend to be anything else. I heard his fifth anniversary InTec mix-CD and was surprised at the quality of the label, classic Detroit sounds. Incidentally he has just completed a volume in DMC's Back To Mine series which is very diverse. Surprised he has no 313 classics on there, but he has Diana Ross, Style Council, Loose Ends, 808 State and Leftfield. He's also bought a crib in Melbourne near old pal Eric Powell, and there have been rumours of a residency, but I digress! LOL. I used to know Carl when he lived with Maxine and sold rave tickets out of his place in Brighton. He was the same then. He'd take bookings for techno nights, raves, house nights, garage nights, jungle nights, death metal nights (well maybe not). Not that I especially have a problem with this, but its just that because he tried to span every genre he never got too deep into any one of them and so all his sets seem to represent the blandest of whatever particular genre hes playing. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex
Re: (313) Underated Producers
- Original Message - From: David Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: (313) Underated Producers If continue with your logic, I might as well end, that You are British. The British likes the Spice Girls Therefore you like the Spice Girls. Doesn't make sense does it? Cheers Dave Hehe, i like that :) We call it False Syllogism, or a Sophism. The famous example is : All men are mortal, Socrate is a man, Therefore, Socrate is mortal. = Syllogism All cats are mortal, Socrate is mortal, Therefore Socrate is cat. = Sophism Seem to be logical and rigorous, but totally false. - KiDDy.
(313) US record distribution
Alright this might seem daft, but I am having a hell of a time finding good techno right now, even online. I have been looking for a US distributor that sells to individuals that would have things like Dan Bell's recent work, Non stop djs, dj rush/pro jex, shake's stuff, new puzzlebox stuff, or other slightly eclectic (but not really)stuff. You all are makin me jealous of all the records that you keep writing about that I am just not seing out here in san franciscos shops. I find stuff used or from individaul online shops like submerge/big50, is there a one stop -that has some back stock and lets' you listen ? Thanks for any advice tom
Re: (313) Underated Producers
so alex what makes you sit on your perch and talk smack.you don't know me or my crew or what we are about or who we supportso if you want to pick apart someones playlist that has'nt been updated since i don't even know when, then go ahead but your displaying your stupidity time and time again with this thread so if you have something to say about me or my crew say itand when you do i hope you know who your talking about...for once that would be niceno one ever directed anything at you you choose to take it that way , then thats on you.i do notice that your so quick to respond to things on this list you know nothing about and time and time again you look like and idiot trying to attack what you deem as correct..to tell you the truth i really dont care how you perceve me on this list but i am sure if we met face to face and discussed issues of this nature we probably would see eye to eye. but dont for a second think that someone else's ramblings/ opinions is my crew Renegade Rhythms stance...if you can read plain english, you are english correct?? i said i posted that email for a friend and i thought it was releventso how does that put me and my crew in the position of the evil people who support people like carl cox.GROW UP maybe you need to go to our website to find out who we have supported in the past (although we need to update it).cause i don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from you.except to use this list as your personal record spotter and to let people know how down you are..its annoying and so are you at times... i try not to ruffle many people's feathers on this list unless i feel its relevent to do so..so why are you attacking me and my crew? and by the way i am sure some people are tired of seeing this so maybe we sould take this private and yea your logic stinks and you assume to much If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. comparing one trance dj to the next and saying one is better than the other just to make your point relevent is hypocrisy at its finest but i would'nt expect anything else from you..trance is trance kiddo and i support none of it michael www.renegaderhythms.com Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
thanks for posting this, would´ve done it tomorrow morning. help is appreciated ;) cheers björn @ bikini bpm - Original Message - From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
Re: (313) Underated Producers
so alex what makes you sit on your perch and talk smack.you don't know me or my crew or what we are about or who we supportso if you want to pick apart someones playlist that has'nt been updated since i don't even know when, then go ahead but your displaying your stupidity time and time again with this thread so if you have something to say about me or my crew say itand when you do i hope you know who your talking about...for once that would be niceno one ever directed anything at you you choose to take it that way , then thats on you.i do notice that your so quick to respond to things on this list you know nothing about and time and time again you look like and idiot trying to attack what you deem as correct..to tell you the truth i really dont care how you perceve me on this list but i am sure if we met face to face and discussed issues of this nature we probably would see eye to eye. but dont for a second think that someone else's ramblings/ opinions is my crew Renegade Rhythms stance...if you can read plain english, you are english correct?? i said i posted that email for a friend and i thought it was releventso how does that put me and my crew in the position of the evil people who support people like carl cox.GROW UP maybe you need to go to our website to find out who we have supported in the past (although we need to update it).cause i don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from you.except to use this list as your personal record spotter and to let people know how down you are..its annoying and so are you at times... i try not to ruffle many people's feathers on this list unless i feel its relevent to do so..so why are you attacking me and my crew? and by the way i am sure some people are tired of seeing this so maybe we sould take this private and yea your logic stinks and you assume to much If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. comparing one trance dj to the next and saying one is better than the other just to make your point relevent is hypocrisy at its finest but i would'nt expect anything else from you..trance is trance kiddo and i support none of it michael www.renegaderhythms.com Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) US record distribution
there was a new one announced some while ago called at www.loft101.com i've had pretty good luck with them and their special orders. their back stock isn't that great but there's no minimum order size and their inventory control is handy dandy At 03:15 PM 10/6/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright this might seem daft, but I am having a hell of a time finding good techno right now, even online. I have been looking for a US distributor that sells to individuals that would have things like Dan Bell's recent work, Non stop djs, dj rush/pro jex, shake's stuff, new puzzlebox stuff, or other slightly eclectic (but not really)stuff. You all are makin me jealous of all the records that you keep writing about that I am just not seing out here in san franciscos shops. I find stuff used or from individaul online shops like submerge/big50, is there a one stop -that has some back stock and lets' you listen ? Thanks for any advice tom -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) techno isn't selling
-Original Message- From: David Bate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2004 18:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0; 313 Detroit; Cyclone Wehner Subject: Re: (313) techno isn't selling I keep hearing this from people - artists, record labels, record stores, etc. but is there any source for stats? I'd like to see some numbers compared from year to year about the drop in sales of DJ vinyl to back up what people are saying. Not that I do or do not believe them, I just would like to know if any group has tracked the sales figures either in a specific country or globally. any DJ trade magazines cover this? Hi Michael, I really don't think these statistics are available. In the US, these are kept by the RIAA (http://www.riaa.org) and internationally it is keptby International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (http://www.ifpi.org). But they don't break it down into Genre's. And I'm sure that you're average small mom and pop record store isn't reporting their sales to the RIAA. So you have a breakdown. The only people that really know in the Techno world are the artists, record labels, distributors, and record stores that are seeing that they aren't selling as much now as what they were. If I'm wrong, please point me to these statistics, as I and many other people would love to see the break down of Dance Music sales over the last 10 years. We seem to be having this discussion fairly regularly. It should be pointed out that not all stores/labels/distributors are suffering, in fact some are growing, and some of them at a fast rate. By all means these are the exceptions to the rule, but I think it can be too easy to focus on the majority in these discussions. If anything, I find it difficult to find a lot of new releases that I'm really after, and that to me spells a healthy underground market. It's unquestionable that most techno labels are not doing as well as they could be and that distribution choices have dwindled, but other genres don't suffer as much. I'd be really surprised if labels like Stones Throw, KDJ, Warp, Rephlex, Peacefrog, IIWII, JCR, Ghostly, the Goya camp, etc are hurting at the moment, and I'd say most of that health is attributed to their consistent quality alone. Stores like Piccadilly, Juno and Vinyl Junkies are growing fast because of their online presence and Rub-A-Dub is set to join them. Groovetech seems to be the counter-example to this, but you could argue they stretched themselves a little too thin from the moment they tried to run three stores and dominate the online listening markets. At least in Europe, it may be that you won't be able to compete without being online (which doesn't mean you can't have a shop as well, but you know what I mean). Still, I'd like to see the stats if they existed. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: (313) techno isn't selling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said in response to Matthew Mangold: yes, as I said, it's not that I don't believe it - I'm just curious to see if there are stats/charts/bar graphs/whatever in any trade magazines. from what I read recently - vinyl is actually becoming popular again, very very slowly, but still... by the way, there's many reasons distribution companies go out of business besides direct result of drop in sales at the retailers. Nemesis could have been managed poorly from within on all sorts of levels. They might have grown out of touch with the changes in the US dance music market. Not saying that's the reason they've closed but it's just an example of things that happen. It's not always 1+1=2. Same goes for record retailers. They open and close more often than distributors I would guess. MEK * Michael, I sense that your difficulty in accepting easily that what Matthew Mangold and others are reporting is a widespread thing, might have something to do with the fact that you've recently returned from travelling to Europe (and other regions) where 'techno' and all related styles of music (and 'dance music in general) is stubbornly selling quite well, if not exactly having a renaissance. To me, this underscores the notion that non-traditional forms of expression in general, seem able to make marked progress everywhere but in early 21st century America. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, it's not a rhetorical question. I'd like to know what people think. k
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
i can't believe this kinda stuff is going on.this is a damn shame.claude has had enough personal issues he has been working through and now thisman i hope someone finds and returns his laptop soon.this is just wrong. michael www.renegaderhythms.com One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
Well, if he hadn't found enough reasons to quit the business - someone just pounded in the last nail I would guess. posted it to local message board - good luck to Claude - catch the buggers and destroy them MEK Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen 10/06/2004 02:17 PM One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
posted on rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12 Netherlands catch that thief! aida -- meanwhile...check: Rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12: http://www.3voor12.vpro.nl/rebelbass Rebelbass home: http://www.rebelbass.com Well, if he hadn't found enough reasons to quit the business - someone just pounded in the last nail I would guess. posted it to local message board - good luck to Claude - catch the buggers and destroy them MEK Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen 10/06/2004 02:17 PM One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
(313) dj irene update
so i've been told by the publicist that the written produced for sex on wheelz is a misprint. it should read reproduced by i suppose that stuff happens, but i sure hope they fix it before releasing the final disc. and to tie this back to 313, irene once had her coat stolen while playing motor. not as bad as a laptop, but it's all i got. claude's not the first to lose a laptop. wasn't there someone else 313 a while back? and didn't aphex lose an mp3 player full of tracks?
Re: (313) dj irene update
I think Josh Wink had his entire studio gutted once. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/06/2004 02:54 Subject: (313) dj irene update PM so i've been told by the publicist that the written produced for sex on wheelz is a misprint. it should read reproduced by i suppose that stuff happens, but i sure hope they fix it before releasing the final disc. and to tie this back to 313, irene once had her coat stolen while playing motor. not as bad as a laptop, but it's all i got. claude's not the first to lose a laptop. wasn't there someone else 313 a while back? and didn't aphex lose an mp3 player full of tracks?
Re: (313) dj irene update
Or was that BT? MEK Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 10/06/2004 03:20 PM Subject: Re: (313) dj irene update I think Josh Wink had his entire studio gutted once. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/06/2004 02:54 Subject: (313) dj irene update PM so i've been told by the publicist that the written produced for sex on wheelz is a misprint. it should read reproduced by i suppose that stuff happens, but i sure hope they fix it before releasing the final disc. and to tie this back to 313, irene once had her coat stolen while playing motor. not as bad as a laptop, but it's all i got. claude's not the first to lose a laptop. wasn't there someone else 313 a while back? and didn't aphex lose an mp3 player full of tracks?
FW: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
telepathic condolences to Claude ; ( It's sad when things like that happen to such positive and uplifting personalities such as Claude. My bicycle was stolen Sunday right in front of me while I was talking on my cell phone in front of the Salem Record Exchange. I witnessed the whole thing and was right on the guys tail but he was too fast for me. Now I just have a pulled hamstring. No condolences necessary, I will gladly sacrifice my 10 year old bike which I put thousands of miles on if Bush doesn't get elected again. A bike is cheap, a laptop isn't. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 10/6/04 3:17 PM, Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
Re: (313) dj irene update
At 04:21 PM 10/6/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or was that BT? that was BT. who coincidentally has come out with a new album. or is coming out with one. or something. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
Posted it on www.djken.nl too. Ken - Original Message - From: Rebelbass/bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen posted on rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12 Netherlands catch that thief! aida -- meanwhile...check: Rebelbass weblog @ 3voor12: http://www.3voor12.vpro.nl/rebelbass Rebelbass home: http://www.rebelbass.com Well, if he hadn't found enough reasons to quit the business - someone just pounded in the last nail I would guess. posted it to local message board - good luck to Claude - catch the buggers and destroy them MEK Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen 10/06/2004 02:17 PM One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
RE: (313) techno isn't selling
To me, this underscores the notion that non-traditional forms of expression in general, seem able to make marked progress everywhere but in early 21st century America. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, it's not a rhetorical question. I'd like to know what people think. K A-side I think the music industry in general is hurting in america. And to me it deserves it. Not the Artist, but those that really control the business aspect of it. Although Electronic music in general is everywhere; advertising adds, movies, games, etc, there is noone brave enough to market it. The reason it shows up in these other forms of art is because the people that are in control of the creative aspects of these markets are a part of a very creative generation. The selling, releasing, and marketing of music is still controlled by non creative bandwagon jumping business men. Marketing and promoting is everything and the powers that be, could care less to market non-traditional forms of art, unless of course it somehow makes it's way into america's vernacular on it's own. Which is what I think happened in Europe. B-side What kind of marketing or promotion does True techno music have here in america??? The answer is ,,,CLUBS , small indiscreet record stores and guess what more clubs. How can a record or a c.d. from a techno d.j. get sold if NO ONE knows about them. I'm in an office of about 40 people, 30 of them are 35 and under. Of those 30 I would say only 5 knows any electronic artist and only one (ME) knows about true techno artist.What's wrong with this picture. I know a lot of people who enjoy this music when they hear it, but the only place they can hear it, is in a smokey nightclub that's open between 10:00 and 4:00 a.m. O.k I'm generalizing here but I think most of you get my point. This has been techno music's major problem, especially hear in america. It's so tied to the dance club industry that it's alienated itself from a large buying market. And we are definitely NOT going to get any help from a MAJOR. -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: re: (313) techno isn't selling [EMAIL PROTECTED] said in response to Matthew Mangold: yes, as I said, it's not that I don't believe it - I'm just curious to see if there are stats/charts/bar graphs/whatever in any trade magazines. from what I read recently - vinyl is actually becoming popular again, very very slowly, but still... by the way, there's many reasons distribution companies go out of business besides direct result of drop in sales at the retailers. Nemesis could have been managed poorly from within on all sorts of levels. They might have grown out of touch with the changes in the US dance music market. Not saying that's the reason they've closed but it's just an example of things that happen. It's not always 1+1=2. Same goes for record retailers. They open and close more often than distributors I would guess. MEK * Michael, I sense that your difficulty in accepting easily that what Matthew Mangold and others are reporting is a widespread thing, might have something to do with the fact that you've recently returned from travelling to Europe (and other regions) where 'techno' and all related styles of music (and 'dance music in general) is stubbornly selling quite well, if not exactly having a renaissance. To me, this underscores the notion that non-traditional forms of expression in general, seem able to make marked progress everywhere but in early 21st century America. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, it's not a rhetorical question. I'd like to know what people think. k
Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen
Surely he has a backup laptop..at least at home..that's f*cking wack though. Welcome to the jungle...trust no one. Did they take from the stage or was it already bagged up? I think the more details you give may help...maybe. :( A. Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/06/2004 03:17 PM To 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject (313) Claude's Laptop stolen One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between 1st and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss. During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody of the people in the club stole his Notebook. On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on his next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too. This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered. We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know something about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de Please propagate this mail... Thanks for your help Prison Crew + Bikini BPM -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
(313) Electronic music culture in America
All the North Americans I know who have been over to Europe in the last year keep saying the same thing over and over, that electronic music culture in America is dying. No clubs, all the smaller cities are non-existent for a DJ/live performance, etc. how true is this? I have seen some evidence via some of the labels I work with having trouble setting up tours that get outside of New York, Chicago, San Fran/LA. Is it really that bad? What would some of the reasons be? How would this be connected to the previous discussion about techno not selling? Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/
Re: (313) Underated Producers
I've got some great Bryan Zentz records on both Intec and Tortured. Is that not techno? :-P -- Tim Moore On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex
Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tosh Cooey wrote: All the North Americans I know who have been over to Europe in the last year keep saying the same thing over and over, that electronic music culture in America is dying. No clubs, all the smaller cities are non-existent for a DJ/live performance, etc. how true is this? Hm. I don't think this is exactly right. It depends how you measure it. People now have more access to create electronic music spaces than they EVER had even five yeears ago. What? Garage band and a hip-hop jam pack for only 150.00? Traktor's DJ Suite running only a few hundred bucks? Access to literally hundreds of hours of helluva DJ sets over the net? But there is growing reason to suspect that this doesn't translate into strong LOCAL cultures. I have seen some evidence via some of the labels I work with having trouble setting up tours that get outside of New York, Chicago, San Fran/LA. Is it really that bad? What would some of the reasons be? How would this be connected to the previous discussion about techno not selling? I missed that discussion--popping in and out you know. But i think that in order to really deal with this in some depth we have to understand the movement of capital and people across time and space and how that impacts listening preferences, purchasing preferences, and local club dynamics. and on top of that we have to grapple with the fundamental fact that we are growing older. when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world in front of me. now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on growing. much harder to go clubbing. as far as moving capital and people, here's one way to think about it. i'm a house/techno head. i'm in saint louis. i've got an opportunity to go to the dc area because i have skills (not in house/techno, but in some other area). do i stay in saint louis? or do i go to dc? if most heads have these types of options...if most djs have these types of options...then over time what will happen is that there will be a few STRONG areas (detroit, chicago, etc.), and other much weaker areas. and as the people with the skills are able to travel farther and farther (and the comparison is now between london and dc rather than between saint louis and dc), the number of cities grows smaller, and the local culture becomes more and more intimate. lks
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Well, things in Minneapolis are looking up. I would consider Minneapolis a smaller city. Within the last year we've had Stacey Pullen, Claude Young, Ghostly artists numerous times, Merck has a presence here, Derrick May is scheduled as is Dan Bell, Bunker artists were here not too long ago, Green Velvet has been back and forth, Common Factor was here as well. I'm sure I'm forgetting... We now have a regular techno night in a major night club - big room I might add. In addition there are several smaller clubs that regularly book techno artists. Many of them quite experimental. I'd say that less than a handful of promoters have been responsible for this boost in techno sounds. There is a lack of diversity though amongst the available clubs willing to open their doors to this sound. Too many are doing the usual meat-market top 40 club. Either that or playing very safe house music. Problem with Minneapolis is Chicago. Many artists overlook our city for that much larger one. These events are not an every day of the week occurrence and there are some slow weeks but it's looking much healthier here than it has in a number of years. Still, compared to Europe... well it just doesn't compare. Generally, people's awareness of artists has to be elevated and get out of the conservative mindset. Generally don't find that in smaller cities. Who's responsibility is that though? Record stores? Other DJs? Promoters? Not sure MEK Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/06/2004 05:25 Subject: (313) Electronic music culture in America PM All the North Americans I know who have been over to Europe in the last year keep saying the same thing over and over, that electronic music culture in America is dying. No clubs, all the smaller cities are non-existent for a DJ/live performance, etc. how true is this? I have seen some evidence via some of the labels I work with having trouble setting up tours that get outside of New York, Chicago, San Fran/LA. Is it really that bad? What would some of the reasons be? How would this be connected to the previous discussion about techno not selling? Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/
