Re: Purpose Maker sample

[kent williams]

There's a bunch of vaguely familiar samples in that track, but it's not on
whosampled.com -- you could be the first!

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 5:00 PM Benn Glazier  wrote:

> Continuing on the Trinidad theme, let's fly to the smaller island of
> Tobago...
> Have a listen to Tobago by Nature Boy -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-shdbDuYyMA
>
> You'll work that sample out pretty quick I'm sure.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:52 kent williams  wrote:
>
>> By George I think you're right!  You could add that to whosampled.com!
>>
>> One thing I didn't know: Mills did some hip hop production for a female
>> Detroit MC called Smiley!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/YJh8iAJ9oMc
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I should have been more specific - yes, it is the intro, the
>>> first few seconds and it is Outsiders.
>>>
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Mills-Java-EP/release/946
>>>
>>> Thanks to Benn, Don, Kent and Jason. So, I have learnt something new
>>> today regarding Detroit techno. I would call that a win. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM Jason Brunton 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A, maybe it’s that then?  Nice one Benn!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:06, Benn Glazier  wrote:

 Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori
 Amos' "Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which
 got me thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got
 me thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs
 amongst others.

 Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few
 months back.

 https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q






 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams 
 wrote:

> Which Purpose Maker track?
>
> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin
> Percussion on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum
> machine action.
>
> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral
> hits that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>>
>> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose
>> Maker tracks?
>>
> --

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 b...@bennglazier.com
 WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

 --
>
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>

Re: The Hydra

[ja...@iridite.com]

And genuinely lovely guys too - met them a few times at Rubadub over the
years



On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:55,  wrote:

> I love Octave One.
>
> A few years ago, Paxahau actually gave me a press pass and I got to stand
> on the stage behind Octave One watching them play. And filming it.
>
> They are geniuses. Obviously.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 17:45, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>
> And don't forget Stingray.
>
> Yes, I have my ticket and as long as I'm over the flu, I'll be heading
> down with a small group.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:35 Jason Brunton  wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend?
>>
>> Octave One too :)
>>
>> Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down
>> in the train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> --
>
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>
>

Re: The Hydra

[ja...@iridite.com]

I'll be the old guy lying on the couch haven peaked too soon about 4PM
(it's a 12 until 11 event...very strange)

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:45, Benn Glazier  wrote:

> And don't forget Stingray.
>
> Yes, I have my ticket and as long as I'm over the flu, I'll be heading
> down with a small group.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:35 Jason Brunton  wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend?
>>
>> Octave One too :)
>>
>> Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down
>> in the train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> --
>
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Benn Glazier]

Continuing on the Trinidad theme, let's fly to the smaller island of
Tobago...
Have a listen to Tobago by Nature Boy -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-shdbDuYyMA

You'll work that sample out pretty quick I'm sure.



On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:52 kent williams  wrote:

> By George I think you're right!  You could add that to whosampled.com!
>
> One thing I didn't know: Mills did some hip hop production for a female
> Detroit MC called Smiley!
>
> https://youtu.be/YJh8iAJ9oMc
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I should have been more specific - yes, it is the intro, the first
>> few seconds and it is Outsiders.
>>
>> https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Mills-Java-EP/release/946
>>
>> Thanks to Benn, Don, Kent and Jason. So, I have learnt something new
>> today regarding Detroit techno. I would call that a win. 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:
>>
>>> A, maybe it’s that then?  Nice one Benn!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:06, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>>
>>> Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori
>>> Amos' "Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which
>>> got me thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got
>>> me thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs
>>> amongst others.
>>>
>>> Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few
>>> months back.
>>>
>>> https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Which Purpose Maker track?

 There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin
 Percussion on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum
 machine action.

 If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral
 hits that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
 Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4


 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
 aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>
> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose
> Maker tracks?
>
 --
>>>
>>> --
>>> b...@bennglazier.com
>>> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>>>
>>> --

--
b...@bennglazier.com
WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: The Hydra

[denisedalphond]

I love Octave One. 

A few years ago, Paxahau actually gave me a press pass and I got to stand on 
the stage behind Octave One watching them play. And filming it. 

They are geniuses. Obviously. 



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 17:45, Benn Glazier  wrote:
> 
> And don't forget Stingray.
> 
> Yes, I have my ticket and as long as I'm over the flu, I'll be heading down 
> with a small group.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:35 Jason Brunton  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend?  
>> 
>> Octave One too :)
>> 
>> Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down in 
>> the train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> -- 
> 
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[kent williams]

By George I think you're right!  You could add that to whosampled.com!

One thing I didn't know: Mills did some hip hop production for a female
Detroit MC called Smiley!

https://youtu.be/YJh8iAJ9oMc

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> Sorry, I should have been more specific - yes, it is the intro, the first
> few seconds and it is Outsiders.
>
> https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Mills-Java-EP/release/946
>
> Thanks to Benn, Don, Kent and Jason. So, I have learnt something new today
> regarding Detroit techno. I would call that a win. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:
>
>> A, maybe it’s that then?  Nice one Benn!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:06, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>
>> Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori Amos'
>> "Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which got me
>> thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got me
>> thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs
>> amongst others.
>>
>> Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few
>> months back.
>>
>> https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Which Purpose Maker track?
>>>
>>> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin
>>> Percussion on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum
>>> machine action.
>>>
>>> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral
>>> hits that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
>>> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
>>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ

 Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose
 Maker tracks?

>>> --
>>
>> --
>> b...@bennglazier.com
>> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>>
>>

Re: The Hydra

[Benn Glazier]

And don't forget Stingray.

Yes, I have my ticket and as long as I'm over the flu, I'll be heading down
with a small group.



On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:35 Jason Brunton  wrote:

>
> Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend?
>
> Octave One too :)
>
> Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down in
> the train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone

-- 

--
b...@bennglazier.com
WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Aidan O'Doherty]

Sorry, I should have been more specific - yes, it is the intro, the first
few seconds and it is Outsiders.

https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Mills-Java-EP/release/946

Thanks to Benn, Don, Kent and Jason. So, I have learnt something new today
regarding Detroit techno. I would call that a win. 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:

> A, maybe it’s that then?  Nice one Benn!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:06, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>
> Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori Amos'
> "Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which got me
> thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got me
> thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs
> amongst others.
>
> Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few
> months back.
>
> https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams  wrote:
>
>> Which Purpose Maker track?
>>
>> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin
>> Percussion on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum
>> machine action.
>>
>> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral hits
>> that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
>> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>>>
>>> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose
>>> Maker tracks?
>>>
>> --
>
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Jason Brunton]

Hey, at least nobody is shouting at each other...this is progress 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:31, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> With all due respect brother, it appears you’re only citing a portion of the 
> definition of a racist to which Denise is clearly aligned with the other 
> portion.  I’m referring to the portion before the comma and you only 
> mentioned the pet after the comma.  Here’s the definition:
> 
> a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of 
> other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
> 
> Even if you want to “prove in the court of law” that she’s not a racist based 
> on the technical definition, she’s clearly an insensitive bully who doesn’t 
> have an ounce of humility in her tone regardless of whether or not her 
> opinion is accurate.  
> 
> If anyone was to take her tone with an opposing view they’d be seen as a 
> grand wizard level white supremist and you all know it. 
> 
> I was gonna drop this but felt I had to reply based on Kent’s reply. 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:19 PM kent williams  wrote:
>> As the moderator let me weigh in. 
>> 
>> 1) I've met and hung out briefly with Denise and participated in some 
>> substantive on-line discussions with her.  She has a PHD in Ethnomusicology 
>> from Indiana University, and they don't give those away in boxes of Cracker 
>> Jacks.  As with the 313 list's most famous troll, Thomas Cox, it can be easy 
>> to think she's more hostile than she actually intends to be. Of course an 
>> e-mail list is a 'cool' medium, meaning you have to work extra hard to have 
>> the right tone in your posts, since all readers on the other side of the 
>> world have to go on is your words.
>> 
>> 2) Sometimes, saying nothing if all you have is anger is the better option. 
>> If someone says something that makes you angry, wait until you're not angry 
>> to respond.  That's how flame wars get started: Too much emotion, not enough 
>> reflection.
>> 
>> 3) Since I've been on the Internet before there was a commercial internet, I 
>> haven't stepped into these arguments in part because they have not risen to 
>> what I would regard as an alarming level of hostility.  If you think Joe & 
>> Denise are out of order, they're having a picnic by the sea compared to the 
>> flame wars of old.  If they bother you, they bother you, and you're entitled 
>> to your opinion.  But I'm not going to tone police anyone unless they get 
>> genuinely hurtful or threatening.
>> 
>> 4) If you're going to unsubscribe, unsubscribe.  Announcing you're 
>> unsubscribing from the list is every bit as off topic as getting into 
>> personal battles in what's meant to be a forum about music.  I'd rather you 
>> didn't unsubscribe, but I'd also rather you didn't feel compelled to tell 
>> everyone about it.
>> 
>> 5) I will say one thing: Joe calling Denise racist just seems silly to me.  
>> Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to another.  I don't 
>> think that's a valid reading of what she says.  To quote Harry Allen (Public 
>> Enemy's official Media Assassin):
>> 
>> "Racism has a sole, functional expression: White supremacy. Racism is not 
>> historical. It’s futuristic. It is not going away. It is being refined. It 
>> is weaponized through deceit, secrecy, and violence, in that order. Its 
>> chief tools are not clubs, bullets, or nooses, but words."
>> 
>> In other words: To call someone speaking out against white supremacy racist 
>> is a category error.  Black people might dislike or even hate white people, 
>> but they are on the losing side of a power relationship. In fact, they live 
>> within a system where they are consciously and systematically disadvantaged. 
>> Their racism has no effective expression, which means that it has no 
>> detectable sting for white people.
>> 
>> Allen goes on with this: "...white people who say they are not racists, or 
>> that they are against racism, should be clearing race from the paths of 
>> Black people, like snowplows going through highway drifts. By doing nothing, 
>> or doing nothing effective, they cast racist suspicion on themselves through 
>> their inertness."
>> 
>> I think what Denise is trying to do is just that: be an ally, not center 
>> herself, and clearing race from the paths of Black people.  You can question 
>> how successful she is with that, and you can question whether this is the 
>> forum for those expressions.  You can argue with her tone if you like -- 
>> good luck with that.
>> 
>> But calling her racist is silly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:29 PM Rasputin  wrote:
>>> They are doing white-washing, like the taz 
>>> (http://www.taz.de/Red-Bulls-Music-Academy/!5541432/) wrote. 
>>> 
>>> PS: Long time lurker
>>> PPS: Im glad, that the list is still alive!
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 13.12.18 um 18:15 schrieb Juho Hietala:
 Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in 
 

The Hydra

[Jason Brunton]

Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend?  

Octave One too :)

Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down in the 
train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us


Sent from my iPhone

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

With all due respect brother, it appears you’re only citing a portion of
the definition of a racist to which Denise is clearly aligned with the
other portion.  I’m referring to the portion before the comma and you only
mentioned the pet after the comma.  Here’s the definition:

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of
other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Even if you want to “prove in the court of law” that she’s not a racist
based on the technical definition, she’s clearly an insensitive bully who
doesn’t have an ounce of humility in her tone regardless of whether or not
her opinion is accurate.

If anyone was to take her tone with an opposing view they’d be seen as a
grand wizard level white supremist and you all know it.

I was gonna drop this but felt I had to reply based on Kent’s reply.


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:19 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> As the moderator let me weigh in.
>
> 1) I've met and hung out briefly with Denise and participated in some
> substantive on-line discussions with her.  She has a PHD in Ethnomusicology
> from Indiana University, and they don't give those away in boxes of Cracker
> Jacks.  As with the 313 list's most famous troll, Thomas Cox, it can be
> easy to think she's more hostile than she actually intends to be. Of course
> an e-mail list is a 'cool' medium, meaning you have to work extra hard to
> have the right tone in your posts, since all readers on the other side of
> the world have to go on is your words.
>
> 2) Sometimes, saying nothing if all you have is anger is the better
> option. If someone says something that makes you angry, wait until you're
> not angry to respond.  That's how flame wars get started: Too much emotion,
> not enough reflection.
>
> 3) Since I've been on the Internet before there was a commercial internet,
> I haven't stepped into these arguments in part because they have not risen
> to what I would regard as an alarming level of hostility.  If you think Joe
> & Denise are out of order, they're having a picnic by the sea compared to
> the flame wars of old.  If they bother you, they bother you, and you're
> entitled to your opinion.  But I'm not going to tone police anyone unless
> they get genuinely hurtful or threatening.
>
> 4) If you're going to unsubscribe, unsubscribe.  Announcing you're
> unsubscribing from the list is every bit as off topic as getting into
> personal battles in what's meant to be a forum about music.  I'd rather you
> didn't unsubscribe, but I'd also rather you didn't feel compelled to tell
> everyone about it.
>
> 5) I will say one thing: Joe calling Denise racist just seems silly to
> me.  Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to another.  I
> don't think that's a valid reading of what she says.  To quote Harry Allen
> (Public Enemy's official Media Assassin):
>
> "Racism has a sole, functional expression: White supremacy. Racism is not
> historical. It’s *futuristic*. It is not going away. It is being *refined*.
> It is weaponized through *deceit*, *secrecy*, and *violence*, in that
> order. Its chief tools are not clubs, bullets, or nooses, but *words*."
>
> In other words: To call someone speaking out against white supremacy
> racist is a category error.  Black people might dislike or even hate white
> people, but they are on the losing side of a power relationship. In fact,
> they live within a system where they are consciously and systematically
> disadvantaged. Their racism has no effective expression, which means that
> it has no detectable sting for white people.
>
> Allen goes on with this: "...white people who say they are not racists,
> or that they are against racism, should be clearing race from the paths of
> Black people, like snowplows going through highway drifts. By doing
> nothing, or doing nothing effective, they cast racist suspicion on
> themselves through their inertness."
>
> I think what Denise is trying to do is just that: be an ally, not center
> herself, and clearing race from the paths of Black people.  You can
> question how successful she is with that, and you can question whether this
> is the forum for those expressions.  You can argue with her tone if you
> like -- good luck with that.
>
> But calling her racist is silly.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:29 PM Rasputin  wrote:
>
>> They are doing white-washing, like the taz (
>> http://www.taz.de/Red-Bulls-Music-Academy/!5541432/) wrote.
>>
>> PS: Long time lurker
>> PPS: Im glad, that the list is still alive!
>>
>> Am 13.12.18 um 18:15 schrieb Juho Hietala:
>>
>> Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in
>> 2012 or something? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 17:52, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>
>> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print
>> money these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand
>> as opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that
>> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[kent williams]

As the moderator let me weigh in.

1) I've met and hung out briefly with Denise and participated in some
substantive on-line discussions with her.  She has a PHD in Ethnomusicology
from Indiana University, and they don't give those away in boxes of Cracker
Jacks.  As with the 313 list's most famous troll, Thomas Cox, it can be
easy to think she's more hostile than she actually intends to be. Of course
an e-mail list is a 'cool' medium, meaning you have to work extra hard to
have the right tone in your posts, since all readers on the other side of
the world have to go on is your words.

2) Sometimes, saying nothing if all you have is anger is the better option.
If someone says something that makes you angry, wait until you're not angry
to respond.  That's how flame wars get started: Too much emotion, not
enough reflection.

3) Since I've been on the Internet before there was a commercial internet,
I haven't stepped into these arguments in part because they have not risen
to what I would regard as an alarming level of hostility.  If you think Joe
& Denise are out of order, they're having a picnic by the sea compared to
the flame wars of old.  If they bother you, they bother you, and you're
entitled to your opinion.  But I'm not going to tone police anyone unless
they get genuinely hurtful or threatening.

4) If you're going to unsubscribe, unsubscribe.  Announcing you're
unsubscribing from the list is every bit as off topic as getting into
personal battles in what's meant to be a forum about music.  I'd rather you
didn't unsubscribe, but I'd also rather you didn't feel compelled to tell
everyone about it.

5) I will say one thing: Joe calling Denise racist just seems silly to me.
Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to another.  I don't
think that's a valid reading of what she says.  To quote Harry Allen
(Public Enemy's official Media Assassin):

"Racism has a sole, functional expression: White supremacy. Racism is not
historical. It’s *futuristic*. It is not going away. It is being *refined*.
It is weaponized through *deceit*, *secrecy*, and *violence*, in that
order. Its chief tools are not clubs, bullets, or nooses, but *words*."

In other words: To call someone speaking out against white supremacy racist
is a category error.  Black people might dislike or even hate white people,
but they are on the losing side of a power relationship. In fact, they live
within a system where they are consciously and systematically
disadvantaged. Their racism has no effective expression, which means that
it has no detectable sting for white people.

Allen goes on with this: "...white people who say they are not racists, or
that they are against racism, should be clearing race from the paths of
Black people, like snowplows going through highway drifts. By doing
nothing, or doing nothing effective, they cast racist suspicion on
themselves through their inertness."

I think what Denise is trying to do is just that: be an ally, not center
herself, and clearing race from the paths of Black people.  You can
question how successful she is with that, and you can question whether this
is the forum for those expressions.  You can argue with her tone if you
like -- good luck with that.

But calling her racist is silly.



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:29 PM Rasputin  wrote:

> They are doing white-washing, like the taz (
> http://www.taz.de/Red-Bulls-Music-Academy/!5541432/) wrote.
>
> PS: Long time lurker
> PPS: Im glad, that the list is still alive!
>
> Am 13.12.18 um 18:15 schrieb Juho Hietala:
>
> Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in
> 2012 or something? ;)
>
>
>
> On 13 Dec 2018, at 17:52, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>
> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print money
> these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand as
> opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that
> could be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving.
>
> I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it...  their engagement can
> aid with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it has the
> potential to kick start artists careers due to the collaboration process
> and unlocking doors. They've got their record label as well - no artists
> I'm familiar with, to be honest.
>
> On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and posturing.
> Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people will buy our
> drinks.  They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or if they thought
> that electronic country and western trance was the next big thing then they
> just adjust their musical charter to follow what's popular or in turn lead
> and drive what will be popular. Worth noting, RB dominate the category they
> play in today and it would be hard to see anyone dislodging them from that
> mantle any time soon.
>
> So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of about
> €6.5b in revenue last year.  To put that 

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Jason Brunton]

A, maybe it’s that then?  Nice one Benn!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:06, Benn Glazier  wrote:
> 
> Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori Amos' 
> "Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which got me 
> thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got me 
> thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs 
> amongst others.
> 
> Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few months 
> back.
> https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams  wrote:
>> Which Purpose Maker track?
>> 
>> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin Percussion 
>> on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum machine action.
>> 
>> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral hits 
>> that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"  
>> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty 
>>>  wrote:
>>> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>>> 
>>> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose Maker 
>>> tracks? 
> -- 
> 
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Benn Glazier]

Java was the one that came to mind. But Trinidad IS sampled by Tori Amos'
"Professional Widow", the club anthem Armand van Helden mix. Which got me
thinking about Carl Craig's remix of "God" by Amos which in turn got me
thinking about some of the other exquisite mixes he's done of pop songs
amongst others.

Here's a Spotify list of a bunch of his remixes I put together a few months
back.
https://open.spotify.com/user/1174087448/playlist/7hqBu8iEsgo99cNJeZZDiR?si=-dohAYStQ4y6Jn8caevH6Q






On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 21:47 kent williams  wrote:

> Which Purpose Maker track?
>
> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin
> Percussion on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum
> machine action.
>
> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral hits
> that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>>
>> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose
>> Maker tracks?
>>
> --

--
b...@bennglazier.com
WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Jason Brunton]

It’s the bit about 14 seconds in that sounds familiar

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:47, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> Which Purpose Maker track?
> 
> There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin Percussion 
> on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum machine action.
> 
> If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral hits 
> that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"  
> Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty  
>> wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>> 
>> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose Maker 
>> tracks? 

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[kent williams]

Which Purpose Maker track?

There's some similar conga sounds on "Java" but if there's latin Percussion
on a Mills track it's almost always Roland TR-727 latin drum machine action.

If you want a real sample spotting challenge there's some orchestral hits
that are severely EQed but I know I've heard it before on "Automatic"
Salsoul Orchestra? https://youtu.be/JVNb_Ptkcn4


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 3:36 PM Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
>
> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose Maker
> tracks?
>

Re: Purpose Maker sample

[Jason Brunton]

Definitely sounds familiar but there’s about 30 PM records to go through 
andI’m not the man for the job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 21:36, Aidan O'Doherty  wrote:
> 
> https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ
> 
> Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose Maker 
> tracks? 

Purpose Maker sample

[Aidan O'Doherty]

https://youtu.be/cwmlrueeLhQ

Am I mad, or did Mills sample the above track for one of his Purpose Maker
tracks?

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Rasputin]

They are doing white-washing, like the taz
(http://www.taz.de/Red-Bulls-Music-Academy/!5541432/) wrote.

PS: Long time lurker
PPS: Im glad, that the list is still alive!

Am 13.12.18 um 18:15 schrieb Juho Hietala:
> Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in
> 2012 or something? ;)
>
>
>
>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 17:52, Benn Glazier > > wrote:
>>
>> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print
>> money these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the
>> brand as opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with
>> anything that could be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving.
>>
>> I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it...  their engagement
>> can aid with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it
>> has the potential to kick start artists careers due to the
>> collaboration process and unlocking doors. They've got their record
>> label as well - no artists I'm familiar with, to be honest. 
>>
>> On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and
>> posturing. Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people
>> will buy our drinks.  They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or
>> if they thought that electronic country and western trance was the
>> next big thing then they just adjust their musical charter to follow
>> what's popular or in turn lead and drive what will be popular. Worth
>> noting, RB dominate the category they play in today and it would be
>> hard to see anyone dislodging them from that mantle any time soon. 
>>
>> So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of
>> about €6.5b in revenue last year.  To put that into perspective for a
>> minute, that's about one-fifth of what Coca-Cola did last year. Yes,
>> they have their finger in many sub-culture pies, but we all can view
>> it whichever way we wish. 
>>
>> Also, they could also not be doing any of this... and if Mike fucks
>> with RB, Moody fucks with RB, do you think RB actually care? With an
>> oversimplified view It will just drive more eyeballs to their youtube
>> videos, which at the end of the day is exactly what they want.
>>
>> BG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 10:16 Martin Dust > > wrote:
>>
>> > What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of
>> fostering the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>>
>> First time I’ve heard called that.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> --
>> b...@bennglazier.com 
>> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM 
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Matthew Kane]

rest it please, for real. you said you would tone it down
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:25 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> See what type of person we're dealing with here?
>
> I kinda rest my case
>
> #gaslighter
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:16 PM  wrote:
>>
>> How is talking about Mike Banks off topic on a thread about Mike Banks?
>>
>> My contributions to this listserv are solid.
>>
>> You’re welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>>
>> List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind of 
>> bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at 
>> uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked.  Keep it on topic, or 
>> start your own thread, or take it private and far far away.
>>
>> Peace
>> -Arturo



-- 
matt kane's brain
twitter: @the_real_mkb / @nynexrepublic
mastodon: @mkb@mastodon.social
http://hydrogenproject.com

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

See what type of person we're dealing with here?

I kinda rest my case

#gaslighter



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:16 PM  wrote:

> How is talking about Mike Banks off topic on a thread about Mike Banks?
>
> My contributions to this listserv are solid.
>
> You’re welcome.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>
> List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind
> of bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at
> uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked.  Keep it on topic, or
> start your own thread, or take it private and far far away.
>
> Peace
> -Arturo
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

How is talking about Mike Banks off topic on a thread about Mike Banks?

My contributions to this listserv are solid. 

You’re welcome. 



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> 
> List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind of 
> bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at 
> uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked.  Keep it on topic, or 
> start your own thread, or take it private and far far away.  
> 
> Peace
> -Arturo

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Arturo Lopez]

List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind of
bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at
uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked.  Keep it on topic, or
start your own thread, or take it private and far far away.

Peace
-Arturo

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

My man, there’s lots of good info in the conversations here for many years.


I only counted TWO incidents with me and sunshine ☀️ which should be no
more than a blip on the radar.

Please don’t tell me you’re ‘that’ sensitive?  Shit happens now and then
because we all share an emotion called passion.  Roll with it 



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:52 PM Kent Sandvik  wrote:

> I unsubscribed from 313. It's not great when the mind is polluted by harsh
> comments back and forth little to do with techno. --Kent
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>
>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>> here 15 years ago.
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>>> back but I’m not.
>>>
>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>
>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>
>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>> respond?
>>>
>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>
>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manish Miglani
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>> shit was so strong.
>>>
>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Her “heart?”
>>>
>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>
>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>
>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
 and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
 Bull
 only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I 
 looked.

 All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
 sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
 for
 advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
 “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.

 There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
 when they have a 70% share of the market.

 My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
 “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
 agencies either.

 I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
 who do this on a weekly basis.

 https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU

 > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 >
 > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
 arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. 
 So
 that’s good for Detroit.
 >
 > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
 better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
 That’s
 good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
 >
 >
 >
 > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
 > ethnomusicologist
 > schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

Well...hopefully we can have a new start now ?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:52, Kent Sandvik  wrote:

> I unsubscribed from 313. It's not great when the mind is polluted by harsh
> comments back and forth little to do with techno. --Kent
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>
>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>> here 15 years ago.
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>>> back but I’m not.
>>>
>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>
>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>
>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>> respond?
>>>
>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>
>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manish Miglani
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>> shit was so strong.
>>>
>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Her “heart?”
>>>
>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>
>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>
>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
 and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
 Bull
 only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I 
 looked.

 All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
 sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
 for
 advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
 “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.

 There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
 when they have a 70% share of the market.

 My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
 “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
 agencies either.

 I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
 who do this on a weekly basis.

 https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU

 > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 >
 > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
 arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. 
 So
 that’s good for Detroit.
 >
 > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
 better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
 That’s
 good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
 >
 >
 >
 > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
 > ethnomusicologist
 > schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Haha I know right??

To be honest it’s been slim pickings for a while now and if I get one more
demo from a teenage duo I’m gonna hurt somebody 藍



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:50 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

> Never heard of them, glad to see you are promoting new talent Joe 
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:48, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Ok then if i will be forced to bite my tongue with her then I’ll have to
>> replace it with some self promotion of a new 2-track (vinyl only) ep Im
>> working on for my label. Still ironing out the final agreement.
>>
>> It will be a 45rpm 12” that will have an original track from Rick Wilhite
>> on one side and one from Norm Talley on the other 
>>
>> Preview coming hopefully soon...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
>>> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
>>> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
>>> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>>>
>>> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year
>>> or two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>>>
>>> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 Denise,
 The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh
 deserves a thread of its own.

 Jason,
 I hear you and I promise to tone it down.



 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:

> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list
> laugh. And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be
> smart, too.
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
> wrote:
>
> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a
> huge amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago,
> there's a significant amount of new people on here who's first experience
> of the hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>
> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see
> on here 15 years ago.
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
>> bite back but I’m not.
>>
>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>
>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
>> does it get in the way of other discussions.
>>
>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly
>> or indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>> respond?
>>
>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity
 out of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.

>>>
 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik 
 wrote:

> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with
> techno and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> Manish Miglani
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed
>> citizens can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever
>> has.”  Margaret Mead*
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>> shit was so strong.
>>
>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
>> UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>
>> Love,
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Her “heart?”
>>
>> You mean her “hate”.
>>
>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize
>> it.
>>
>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust <
>> mar...@dustscience.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Red Bull don’t actually 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

Never heard of them, glad to see you are promoting new talent Joe 

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:48, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Ok then if i will be forced to bite my tongue with her then I’ll have to
> replace it with some self promotion of a new 2-track (vinyl only) ep Im
> working on for my label. Still ironing out the final agreement.
>
> It will be a 45rpm 12” that will have an original track from Rick Wilhite
> on one side and one from Norm Talley on the other 
>
> Preview coming hopefully soon...
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
>> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
>> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
>> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>>
>> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
>> two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Denise,
>>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves
>>> a thread of its own.
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>>
 It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list
 laugh. And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be
 smart, too.


 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
 wrote:

 It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
 amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
 significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
 hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly

 That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
 here 15 years ago.

 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
> bite back but I’m not.
>
> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>
> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
> does it get in the way of other discussions.
>
> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly
> or indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
> respond?
>
> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity
>>> out of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with
 techno and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent

 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
 noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please unsubscribe.
>
>
> Manish Miglani
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
> Margaret Mead*
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
> shit was so strong.
>
> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
> UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>
> Love,
> Denise
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Her “heart?”
>
> You mean her “hate”.
>
> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize
> it.
>
> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust <
> mar...@dustscience.com> wrote:
>
>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is
>> licensed and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo 
>> Yoovidhya).
>> Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last 
>> time I
>> looked.
>>
>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out
>> edgy sports and events, 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

Also the Nubian Mindz and CN records on that label are pretty hot too

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:48, Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> Nope, Todd Sines has been off my radar for while, so thanks for the heads
> up, Jason.
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
>> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
>> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
>> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>>
>> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
>> two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Denise,
>>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves
>>> a thread of its own.
>>>
>>> Jason,
>>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>>
 It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list
 laugh. And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be
 smart, too.


 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
 wrote:

 It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
 amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
 significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
 hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly

 That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
 here 15 years ago.

 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
> bite back but I’m not.
>
> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>
> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
> does it get in the way of other discussions.
>
> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly
> or indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
> respond?
>
> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity
>>> out of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with
 techno and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent

 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
 noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please unsubscribe.
>
>
> Manish Miglani
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
> Margaret Mead*
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
> shit was so strong.
>
> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
> UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>
> Love,
> Denise
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Her “heart?”
>
> You mean her “hate”.
>
> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize
> it.
>
> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust <
> mar...@dustscience.com> wrote:
>
>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is
>> licensed and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo 
>> Yoovidhya).
>> Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last 
>> time I
>> looked.
>>
>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out
>> edgy sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than 
>> paying
>> for advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>
>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Ok then if i will be forced to bite my tongue with her then I’ll have to
replace it with some self promotion of a new 2-track (vinyl only) ep Im
working on for my label. Still ironing out the final agreement.

It will be a 45rpm 12” that will have an original track from Rick Wilhite
on one side and one from Norm Talley on the other 

Preview coming hopefully soon...




On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:41 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>
> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
> two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Denise,
>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves
>> a thread of its own.
>>
>> Jason,
>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
>>> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>>
>>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>>> here 15 years ago.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
 bite back but I’m not.

 I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.

 How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
 does it get in the way of other discussions.

 If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
 indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
 respond?

 The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.




 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
 wrote:

>
> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
>> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>
>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>
>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Please unsubscribe.


 Manish Miglani

 Sent from my iPhone

 *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
 can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
 Margaret Mead*

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

 It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
 shit was so strong.

 Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
 UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.

 Love,
 Denise


 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 Her “heart?”

 You mean her “hate”.

 She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.


 Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.


 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
 wrote:

> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is
> licensed and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo 
> Yoovidhya).
> Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last 
> time I
> looked.
>
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
> for
> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty
> easy when 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Aidan O'Doherty]

Nope, Todd Sines has been off my radar for while, so thanks for the heads
up, Jason.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:41 PM ja...@iridite.com  wrote:

> I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
> degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
> and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
> subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?
>
> ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
> two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.
>
> https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Denise,
>> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves
>> a thread of its own.
>>
>> Jason,
>> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
>>> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>>
>>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>>> here 15 years ago.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to
 bite back but I’m not.

 I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.

 How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor
 does it get in the way of other discussions.

 If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
 indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
 respond?

 The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.




 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
 wrote:

>
> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
>> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>
>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>
>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Please unsubscribe.


 Manish Miglani

 Sent from my iPhone

 *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
 can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
 Margaret Mead*

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

 It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
 shit was so strong.

 Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and
 UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.

 Love,
 Denise


 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 Her “heart?”

 You mean her “hate”.

 She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.


 Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.


 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
 wrote:

> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is
> licensed and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo 
> Yoovidhya).
> Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last 
> time I
> looked.
>
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
> for
> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty
> easy when they have a 70% share of the market.
>
> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
> agencies either.
>
> I’m surprised that Denise has any support 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

I just think it's 100% plain that you two trigger each other to a high
degree and I can completely understand whybut how do we move forward
and talk about music and the knowledge we've got about it when so many
subjects seem to lead to a shouting match between two people?

ANYHOW, did anyone check out the Todd Sines EP on Sleepers from a year or
two ago?  Very good Detroit-ish Techno, I really liked it.

https://soundcloud.com/sleepersound-2/a2-depth



On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:30, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Denise,
> The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves a
> thread of its own.
>
> Jason,
> I hear you and I promise to tone it down.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:
>
>> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
>> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com"  wrote:
>>
>> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
>> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
>> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
>> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>>
>> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
>> here 15 years ago.
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>>> back but I’m not.
>>>
>>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>>
>>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>>
>>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>>> respond?
>>>
>>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
> of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>
>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
>> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
>> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manish Miglani
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>>> Margaret Mead*
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>>> shit was so strong.
>>>
>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Her “heart?”
>>>
>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>
>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>
>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
 and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
 Bull
 only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I 
 looked.

 All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
 sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
 for
 advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
 “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.

 There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
 when they have a 70% share of the market.

 My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
 “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
 agencies either.

 I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
 who do this on a weekly basis.

 https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU

 > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 >
 > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
 arranging that. That’s good for 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Denise,
The fact that you think that your views would make anyone laugh deserves a
thread of its own.

Jason,
I hear you and I promise to tone it down.



On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM  wrote:

> It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh.
> And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too.
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com"  wrote:
>
> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
>
> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
> here 15 years ago.
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
>> back but I’m not.
>>
>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>>
>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
>> it get in the way of other discussions.
>>
>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
>> respond?
>>
>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out
 of this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.

>>>
 On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:

> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
> and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani <
> noreplyfut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>> Manish Miglani
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
>> can change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>> Margaret Mead*
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my
>> shit was so strong.
>>
>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>
>> Love,
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> Her “heart?”
>>
>> You mean her “hate”.
>>
>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>
>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
>>> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
>>> Bull
>>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>>>
>>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
>>> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
>>> for
>>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>>
>>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
>>> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>>>
>>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
>>> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
>>> agencies either.
>>>
>>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people
>>> who do this on a weekly basis.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>>
>>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
>>> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. 
>>> So
>>> that’s good for Detroit.
>>> >
>>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
>>> better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
>>> That’s
>>> good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh. And 
don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too. 

Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com"  wrote:
> 
> It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge 
> amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a 
> significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the 
> hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly
> 
> That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on here 
> 15 years ago.
> 
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite 
>> back but I’m not. 
>> 
>> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.  
>> 
>> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does it 
>> get in the way of other discussions. 
>> 
>> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or 
>> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we 
>> respond?
>> 
>> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of 
 this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>> 
 
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and 
> Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani  
>> wrote:
>> Please unsubscribe. 
>> 
>> 
>> Manish Miglani
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can 
>> change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret 
>> Mead
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit 
>>> was so strong. 
>>> 
>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR 
>>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book. 
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> 
 On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
 
 Her “heart?”
 
 You mean her “hate”.  
 
 She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.  
 
 Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate. 
   
 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust  
> wrote:
> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed 
> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). 
> Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last 
> time I looked. 
> 
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy 
> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying 
> for advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy 
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
> 
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy 
> when they have a 70% share of the market.
> 
> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and 
> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not 
> cheap agencies either. 
> 
> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who 
> do this on a weekly basis.
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
> 
> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in 
> > arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a 
> > lot. So that’s good for Detroit. 
> > 
> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and 
> > better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. 
> > That’s good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others.  And there's not a huge
amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a
significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the
hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly

That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on
here 15 years ago.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi  wrote:

> I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
> back but I’m not.
>
> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.
>
> How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does
> it get in the way of other discussions.
>
> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
> respond?
>
> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of
>>> this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>>
 Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno
 and Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent

 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani 
 wrote:

> Please unsubscribe.
>
>
> Manish Miglani
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret
> Mead*
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit
> was so strong.
>
> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>
> Love,
> Denise
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Her “heart?”
>
> You mean her “hate”.
>
> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>
> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
> wrote:
>
>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
>> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
>> Bull
>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>>
>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
>> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>
>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
>> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>>
>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
>> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
>> agencies either.
>>
>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who
>> do this on a weekly basis.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>
>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
>> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So
>> that’s good for Detroit.
>> >
>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and
>> better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s
>> good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> > ethnomusicologist
>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

I don’t like it when she bullies others.  They may be too polite to bite
back but I’m not.

I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies.

How about you ignore them?  Its not like it happens that often, nor does it
get in the way of other discussions.

If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or
indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we
respond?

The Drexciya video thread was a classic example.




On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

>
> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of
>> this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>>
>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>>
>>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and
>>> Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Please unsubscribe.


 Manish Miglani

 Sent from my iPhone

 *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
 change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret
 Mead*

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

 It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit
 was so strong.

 Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR
 and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.

 Love,
 Denise


 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *

 On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 Her “heart?”

 You mean her “hate”.

 She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.

 Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.


 On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
 wrote:

> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed
> and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red 
> Bull
> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
> sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
> when they have a 70% share of the market.
>
> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
> “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
> agencies either.
>
> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who
> do this on a weekly basis.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>
> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
> arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So
> that’s good for Detroit.
> >
> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good 
> for
> Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[ja...@iridite.com]

> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of
> this arena?  It's seriously off-putting.
>
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik  wrote:
>
>> Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and
>> Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manish Miglani
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>> change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret
>>> Mead*
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit
>>> was so strong.
>>>
>>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR and
>>> Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Her “heart?”
>>>
>>> You mean her “hate”.
>>>
>>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>>>
>>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and
 manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull
 only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.

 All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy
 sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
 advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
 “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.

 There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy
 when they have a 70% share of the market.

 My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and
 “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap
 agencies either.

 I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who
 do this on a weekly basis.

 https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU

 > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 >
 > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in
 arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So
 that’s good for Detroit.
 >
 > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
 questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for
 Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
 >
 >
 >
 > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
 > ethnomusicologist
 > schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Kent Sandvik]

Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and
Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani 
wrote:

> Please unsubscribe.
>
>
> Manish Miglani
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> *“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret
> Mead*
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit was
> so strong.
>
> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR and
> Theo Parrish? It’s in a book.
>
> Love,
> Denise
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Her “heart?”
>
> You mean her “hate”.
>
> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.
>
> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust 
> wrote:
>
>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and
>> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull
>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>>
>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports
>> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>
>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when
>> they have a 70% share of the market.
>>
>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”,
>> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies
>> either.
>>
>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do
>> this on a weekly basis.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>
>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging
>> that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good
>> for Detroit.
>> >
>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
>> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for
>> Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> > ethnomusicologist
>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Manish Miglani]

Please unsubscribe. 


Manish Miglani

Sent from my iPhone

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change 
the world.  Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”  Margaret Mead

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit was so 
> strong. 
> 
> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR and Theo 
> Parrish? It’s in a book. 
> 
> Love,
> Denise
> 
> 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> 
>> Her “heart?”
>> 
>> You mean her “hate”.  
>> 
>> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.  
>> 
>> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate. 
>>   
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust  wrote:
>>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and 
>>> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull 
>>> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked. 
>>> 
>>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports 
>>> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for 
>>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy 
>>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>>> 
>>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when 
>>> they have a 70% share of the market.
>>> 
>>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”, 
>>> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies 
>>> either. 
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do 
>>> this on a weekly basis.
>>> 
>>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>>> 
>>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging 
>>> > that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s 
>>> > good for Detroit. 
>>> > 
>>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better 
>>> > questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good 
>>> > for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit was so 
strong. 

Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR and Theo 
Parrish? It’s in a book. 

Love,
Denise


Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Her “heart?”
> 
> You mean her “hate”.  
> 
> She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.  
> 
> Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate. 
>   
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust  wrote:
>> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and 
>> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull only 
>> exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked. 
>> 
>> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports 
>> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for 
>> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy 
>> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>> 
>> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when 
>> they have a 70% share of the market.
>> 
>> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”, 
>> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies 
>> either. 
>> 
>> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do 
>> this on a weekly basis.
>> 
>> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>> 
>> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 
>> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging 
>> > that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s 
>> > good for Detroit. 
>> > 
>> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better 
>> > questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good 
>> > for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> > ethnomusicologist
>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Juho Hietala]

Wasn’t there a Moodymann album put out by Toyota on the Scion label in 2012 or 
something? ;)



> On 13 Dec 2018, at 17:52, Benn Glazier  wrote:
> 
> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print money 
> these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand as 
> opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that could 
> be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving.
> 
> I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it...  their engagement can aid 
> with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it has the potential 
> to kick start artists careers due to the collaboration process and unlocking 
> doors. They've got their record label as well - no artists I'm familiar with, 
> to be honest. 
> 
> On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and posturing. 
> Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people will buy our 
> drinks.  They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or if they thought that 
> electronic country and western trance was the next big thing then they just 
> adjust their musical charter to follow what's popular or in turn lead and 
> drive what will be popular. Worth noting, RB dominate the category they play 
> in today and it would be hard to see anyone dislodging them from that mantle 
> any time soon. 
> 
> So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of about €6.5b 
> in revenue last year.  To put that into perspective for a minute, that's 
> about one-fifth of what Coca-Cola did last year. Yes, they have their finger 
> in many sub-culture pies, but we all can view it whichever way we wish. 
> 
> Also, they could also not be doing any of this... and if Mike fucks with RB, 
> Moody fucks with RB, do you think RB actually care? With an oversimplified 
> view It will just drive more eyeballs to their youtube videos, which at the 
> end of the day is exactly what they want.
> 
> BG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 10:16 Martin Dust  > wrote:
> > What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
> > the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
> 
> First time I’ve heard called that.
> -- 
> 
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com 
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Joe Marougi]

Her “heart?”

You mean her “hate”.

She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it.

Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate.


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust  wrote:

> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and
> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull
> only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked.
>
> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports
> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for
> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy
> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that.
>
> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when
> they have a 70% share of the market.
>
> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”,
> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies
> either.
>
> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do
> this on a weekly basis.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU
>
> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging
> that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good
> for Detroit.
> >
> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better
> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for
> Mike Banks and good for Detroit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Martin Dust]

Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and 
manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull only 
exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked. 

All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports and 
events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for advertising. 
This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy “non-marketed brand” - it 
cost a lot of money to do that.

There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when they 
have a 70% share of the market.

My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”, they 
employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies either. 

I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do this 
on a weekly basis.

https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging that. 
> That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good for 
> Detroit. 
> 
> Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better 
> questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for 
> Mike Banks and good for Detroit. 
> 
> 
> 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging that. 
That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good for 
Detroit. 

Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better questions. 
But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for Mike Banks and 
good for Detroit. 



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:52, Benn Glazier  wrote:
> 
> Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print money 
> these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand as 
> opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that could 
> be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving.
> 
> I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it...  their engagement can aid 
> with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it has the potential 
> to kick start artists careers due to the collaboration process and unlocking 
> doors. They've got their record label as well - no artists I'm familiar with, 
> to be honest. 
> 
> On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and posturing. 
> Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people will buy our 
> drinks.  They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or if they thought that 
> electronic country and western trance was the next big thing then they just 
> adjust their musical charter to follow what's popular or in turn lead and 
> drive what will be popular. Worth noting, RB dominate the category they play 
> in today and it would be hard to see anyone dislodging them from that mantle 
> any time soon. 
> 
> So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of about €6.5b 
> in revenue last year.  To put that into perspective for a minute, that's 
> about one-fifth of what Coca-Cola did last year. Yes, they have their finger 
> in many sub-culture pies, but we all can view it whichever way we wish. 
> 
> Also, they could also not be doing any of this... and if Mike fucks with RB, 
> Moody fucks with RB, do you think RB actually care? With an oversimplified 
> view It will just drive more eyeballs to their youtube videos, which at the 
> end of the day is exactly what they want.
> 
> BG
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 10:16 Martin Dust  wrote:
>> > What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
>> > the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>> 
>> First time I’ve heard called that.
> -- 
> 
> --
> b...@bennglazier.com
> WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

Britain, France, Portugal, Spain; how big do you think your continent is. 
That’s like the whole entire thing right there. And then Germany and Italy and 
Poland got their whole entire weird thing goin on. 

Own that shit. 



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:51, Aidan O'Doherty  wrote:
> 
> Not fair to lump in the entire continent of Europe as being responsible for 
> slavery, just certain countries with their empire building.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:46 AM  wrote:
>> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a 
>> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, 
>> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. 
>> 
>> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but 
>> I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya 
>> last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which 
>> is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never 
>> print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit 
>> and stuff. 
>> 
>> But red bull is everywhere. 
>> 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  wrote:
>> 
 What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
 the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>>> 
>>> First time I’ve heard called that.

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Benn Glazier]

Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print money
these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand as
opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that
could be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving.

I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it...  their engagement can aid
with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it has the
potential to kick start artists careers due to the collaboration process
and unlocking doors. They've got their record label as well - no artists
I'm familiar with, to be honest.

On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and posturing.
Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people will buy our
drinks.  They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or if they thought
that electronic country and western trance was the next big thing then they
just adjust their musical charter to follow what's popular or in turn lead
and drive what will be popular. Worth noting, RB dominate the category they
play in today and it would be hard to see anyone dislodging them from that
mantle any time soon.

So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of about
€6.5b in revenue last year.  To put that into perspective for a minute,
that's about one-fifth of what Coca-Cola did last year. Yes, they have
their finger in many sub-culture pies, but we all can view it whichever way
we wish.

Also, they could also not be doing any of this... and if Mike fucks with
RB, Moody fucks with RB, do you think RB actually care? With an
oversimplified view It will just drive more eyeballs to their youtube
videos, which at the end of the day is exactly what they want.

BG




On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 10:16 Martin Dust  wrote:

> > What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of
> fostering the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>
> First time I’ve heard called that.

-- 

--
b...@bennglazier.com
WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[cnd]

All I know is that Mark Force called it some time back on twitter. Tbf 
it does get London irritating when your folks think you go out for red 
bull and vodkas every time you party scene. That said, if I was 
crouching round Standing Rock with only coffee and cigarettes, I might 
try that irn bru chit or whatevs. I don't even know what taurine is ffs.


Btw good purchase is Scattered Snares vol 2, just for that Mark Force 
track. Play it loud.


C

On 2018-12-13 11:18, Martin Dust wrote:
No, that is not their core business nor what they floated on, do some 
research.




On 13 Dec 2018, at 11:16, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

Like a promoter?



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

On Dec 13, 2018, at 06:08, Martin Dust  wrote:

Red Bull are NOT a promoter, they are masters of hypernormalisation 
that purchase “cool", one look at their website will tell you that. 
It’s a least 3 clicks before you see an actual product. They turn 
people into products.




On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:46, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. 
They’re a promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit 
and this summer, Submerge had a house music exhibit there.


This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my 
writing, but I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s 
piece about Drexciya last year, they let him write that slavery is 
America’s original sin, which is historically inaccurate; it’s 
Europe’s original sin. They would never print my writing because I 
would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit and stuff.


But red bull is everywhere.

Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  
wrote:


What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of 
fostering the discourse of underground music and dance culture.


First time I’ve heard called that.

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Martin Dust]

No, that is not their core business nor what they floated on, do some research.


> On 13 Dec 2018, at 11:16, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Like a promoter?
> 
> 
> 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
> 
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 06:08, Martin Dust  wrote:
> 
>> Red Bull are NOT a promoter, they are masters of hypernormalisation that 
>> purchase “cool", one look at their website will tell you that. It’s a least 
>> 3 clicks before you see an actual product. They turn people into products.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:46, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a 
>>> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, 
>>> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. 
>>> 
>>> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, 
>>> but I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about 
>>> Drexciya last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original 
>>> sin, which is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They 
>>> would never print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like 
>>> anti-cop shit and stuff. 
>>> 
>>> But red bull is everywhere. 
>>> 
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  wrote:
>>> 
> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
> the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
 
 First time I’ve heard called that.
>> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

Like a promoter?



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 06:08, Martin Dust  wrote:
> 
> Red Bull are NOT a promoter, they are masters of hypernormalisation that 
> purchase “cool", one look at their website will tell you that. It’s a least 3 
> clicks before you see an actual product. They turn people into products.
> 
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:46, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a 
>> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, 
>> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. 
>> 
>> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but 
>> I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya 
>> last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which 
>> is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never 
>> print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit 
>> and stuff. 
>> 
>> But red bull is everywhere. 
>> 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  wrote:
>> 
 What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
 the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>>> 
>>> First time I’ve heard called that.
> 

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Martin Dust]

Red Bull are NOT a promoter, they are masters of hypernormalisation that 
purchase “cool", one look at their website will tell you that. It’s a least 3 
clicks before you see an actual product. They turn people into products.


> On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:46, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a 
> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, 
> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. 
> 
> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but 
> I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya 
> last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which 
> is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never 
> print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit 
> and stuff. 
> 
> But red bull is everywhere. 
> 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
> 
> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  wrote:
> 
>>> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
>>> the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
>> 
>> First time I’ve heard called that.

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[denisedalphond]

Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a 
promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, 
Submerge had a house music exhibit there. 

This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but 
I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya last 
year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which is 
historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never print my 
writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit and stuff. 

But red bull is everywhere. 

Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust  wrote:

>> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering 
>> the discourse of underground music and dance culture.
> 
> First time I’ve heard called that.

Re: Year End List 2018

[cnd]

Ah, apologies. Thinking of someone else.

C

On 2018-12-12 16:25, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:

I never died.

DENISE DALPHOND, PH.D.

ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST
SCHOOLCRAFTWAX.WORK [1]

On Dec 12, 2018, at 06:52, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote:


Denise,

You're alive. Also check out the Mike Huckaby mix on the latest
Tresor compilation download. Rodent by Burial, and agreed. Footwork

Still compiling..

C

On 2018-12-12 11:25, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:


Everything that came out on Sound Signature. That’s my year end



list. And KDJ’s releases this year. I li

Links:
--
[1] http://schoolcraftwax.work/

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Martin Dust]

> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering the 
> discourse of underground music and dance culture.

First time I’ve heard called that.

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Benn Glazier]

  
  

 Red Bull Music Academy is a series of collaborative workshops and festivals 
that’s been running for 20 years now.
  

  
In a different city each time, it’s run in two parts. One is for the public - 
music and art installations, lectures (like the one you mention), club nights.  
  The other is an invitation only programme where talented individuals are 
teamed with industry pros to collaborate in a large recording studio venue.
  

  
What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering the 
discourse of underground music and dance culture.
  

  
BG   
  

  
  

  
  
>   
> On Dec 13, 2018 at 9:29 am,  mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  Hey 313,  
>
> It's out there. Forgot the url. Don't understand the red bull connection  
> tho.  
>
> C  
>  

Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview

[Jason Brunton]

Mike has been doing various work for Red Bull for...about ten years I’d say 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Dec 2018, at 09:29, cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey 313,
> 
> It's out there. Forgot the url. Don't understand the red bull connection tho.
> 
> C

Drexciyan Hip Hop

[cnd]

I'm thinking Jay Electronica beats here. Exhibit C anyone? New Orleans? 
Please don't tell me Stinson or Donald never had a dabble?


cheers

C

Mad Mike Tresor interview

[cnd]

Hey 313,

It's out there. Forgot the url. Don't understand the red bull connection 
tho.


C