Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Mario De Block]

I can't see how anyone here would be ok with one member's explicit suggestion 
that simply subscribing to unwritten board rules (on hatefree speech, really) 
would link to being ok with rape culture. I can't see that. What else is there 
than some degree of malevolence, particularly far away from male violence in 
this case (which I detest, too).

313 Question: does anybody know about fine photography books on nowadays 
Detroit? I liked this one very much: http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit. But 
maybe there's more that isn't on sale via usual webshops.

I always felt some kind of link between the melancholy of a partially decaying 
city and some of the better, stringed Detroit techno. Though I hope there's 
enough initiatives still to revive the city center, of course.

Mario




Van: Andrew Green 
Verzonden: woensdag 26 februari 2020 21:14
Aan: Arturo Lopez 
CC: Three-One-Three <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling and 
need space.

I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.

I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing. but 
it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis for the 
313 list breaking up.  I hope not !




> On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>
> 
> Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging through 
> dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers, everybody.
> -Arturo
>
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Mr. jp]

just about to unsub, some thoughts...
first subbed in '93, then off and on (due to moving/travelling) the rest of
the 90s, mostly on, through the 2000s
Controversy has me realizing that 313 emaiI list doesn't suit my purposes
of reading the couple dozen posts per year (the larger issue), which engage
me. For those posting illuminating content, I am grateful, and don't want
to lose your input! I'm still looking for new new music/producers of note,
updates on new standout events, history/stories when they touch on the
foundation, themes of Detroit techno incl. social justice issues (became
aware, in early 90s through UR/Submerge scene), and concern about the
welfare of the artists who have given so much.
The more petty squabbling and pointless self-aggrandizement, the less I
wade through these emails (missing a few things no doubt), and the more I
wish to unsub, for sure. If ppl wish to stay with the list, I still think
that's great, maybe we could get a comments section on the archives, and
the rest of us could self-curate/tag the posts through there?
Yes, fewer ppl every year care about 313 techno, the kids have long moved
on to bigger sounds of trap, and newer, etc. Most of my friends from this
list (incl. those with record labels, music careers) unsubbed long ago. But
still some great troopers on here like Kent, legends like Andrew Duke ...
how not to lose the baby with the bath water? This music still has a vital
perspective that the world needs, and the increase in diversity of new
producers (incl. race, gender... anyone) making it means it isn't dead, I
think.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:45 PM Andrew Green  wrote:

> Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling
> and need space.
>
> I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.
>
> I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing.
> but it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis
> for the 313 list breaking up.  I hope not !
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging
> through dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers,
> everybody.
> > -Arturo
> >
> >
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Well my man the solution is simple but I suppose our mod(s) are choosing to
nurture the cancer as opposed to treat it.



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:45 PM Andrew Green  wrote:

> Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling
> and need space.
>
> I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.
>
> I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing.
> but it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis
> for the 313 list breaking up.  I hope not !
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging
> through dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers,
> everybody.
> > -Arturo
> >
> >
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Andrew Green]

Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling and 
need space.

I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.  

I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing. but 
it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis for the 
313 list breaking up.  I hope not !




> On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging through 
> dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers, everybody. 
> -Arturo
> 
> 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Tom is my boy and a fan of my label.
Wish he was still here.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:35 PM Martin  wrote:

> I miss Tom
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Martin]

I miss Tom

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
while trying to justify her tone”

What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking why
Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes no
sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
which she’s clearly in violation of.

Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
least on a last warning regarding her tone).



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

> I would also hope mutual respect to be preserved, instead of hostile
> egoism, leaking from one quite specific mind openly.
>
> Hostile and belligerent tones create negative space, leading to members to
> hold back or withdraw from any contribution. This list should be about all
> we want to know and share on the D. Music and stuff related. But the D. The
> one and, can I say, single D, please. No ego should matter here.
>
> Mario
> --
> *Van:* ja...@iridite.com 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 26 februari 2020 20:53
> *Aan:* Fred Heutte 
> *CC:* 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>; Lerato Khathi <
> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Keep it real (and on topic)
>
> Amen to that Fred.
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte  wrote:
>
> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that
> was
> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
>
> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
>
> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
>
> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> should any of us continue to subscribe?
>
> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
> mid-1990s
> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
>
> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
>
> peace
>
> fh
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> lot
> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >being tone deaf .
> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >i am out of here .
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication.
> I’ll
> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet.
> I’m
> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
> It’s a
> >> pretty big series.
> >>
> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list.
> It’s
> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
> speak
> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman.
> Often,
> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
> this
> >> list.
> >>
> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >>
> >> Denise Dalphond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for
> a
>  long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a
> comment ..
>  i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>  i do find though that your approach denise  can be very
> confrontational
>  and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>  dormant bar the denise show .
>  i am personally not gaining a lot 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Mario De Block]

I would also hope mutual respect to be preserved, instead of hostile egoism, 
leaking from one quite specific mind openly.

Hostile and belligerent tones create negative space, leading to members to hold 
back or withdraw from any contribution. This list should be about all we want 
to know and share on the D. Music and stuff related. But the D. The one and, 
can I say, single D, please. No ego should matter here.

Mario

Van: ja...@iridite.com 
Verzonden: woensdag 26 februari 2020 20:53
Aan: Fred Heutte 
CC: 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>; Lerato Khathi 

Onderwerp: Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

Amen to that Fred.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte 
mailto:ph...@sunlightdata.com>> wrote:
I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that was
a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).

https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020

She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
313, but either way I honor the decision.

So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
should any of us continue to subscribe?

The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other mid-1990s
mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.

Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
Without that, there is no reason to continue.

peace

fh





-
>crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
>i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a lot
>into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
>and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
>network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
>look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
>being tone deaf .
>my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
>keep supporting music not egos .
>i am out of here .
>
>On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
>mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. 
>> I’ll
>> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
>> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
>> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
>> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
>> pretty big series.
>>
>> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
>> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
>> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
>> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
>> list.
>>
>> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
>> mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>>> “admissions of guiltâ€
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
 long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment ..
 i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
 i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
 and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
 dormant bar the denise show .
 i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
 times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
 occasional outbursts .



 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
 mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
> just your family.
>
> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>
> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Peter Bense]

Don't go!  Think of how much we will miss your complaining!

Den ons 26 feb. 2020 20:58Arturo Lopez  skrev:

> Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging through
> dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers, everybody.
> -Arturo
>
>
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Fred Heutte]

Let me be very clear -- Kent is a good friend and has been an
absolute stalwart maintaining this list since . . . a long time : )
He has bent over backwards to be fair and my point about
respect applies just as much if not more to our interaction with those
like Kent who take on responsibility to manage community resources.

fh


-
>I know...my bad for not realizing the list wasn’t cc’d on my reply which I
>thought it was.
>
>
>On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Fred Heutte  wrote:
>
>> I'm not Kent.
>>
>> -
>> >Good job Kent, risk losing many rather than risk “offending† (or
>> better
>> >yet, removing) one.  I’m sure she’ll have fun taking to 
>> >herself since
>> she’s
>> >probably used to it.
>> >
>> >Something tells me if she was a dude she’d be 86’d by now (or 
>> >at
least
>> >severely warned).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM Fred Heutte 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.
>> Also
>> >> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
>> >> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
>> >> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn,
>> that
>> >> was
>> >> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
>> >>
>> >> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
>> >>
>> >> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
>> >> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
>> >> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
>> >>
>> >> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
>> >> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
>> >> should any of us continue to subscribe?
>> >>
>> >> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
>> >> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
>> >> mid-1990s
>> >> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
>> >>
>> >> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
>> >> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
>> >> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
>> >>
>> >> peace
>> >>
>> >> fh
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
>> >> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
>> >> lot
>> >> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
>> >> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global
>> music
>> >> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not
>> get a
>> >> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
>> >> >being tone deaf .
>> >> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
>> >> >keep supporting music not egos .
>> >> >i am out of here .
>> >> >
>> >> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my
>> communication.
>> >> I’ll
>> >> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be
>> quiet.
>> >> I’m
>> >> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. 
>> >> >> It’s
>> all on my
>> >> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit
>> and
>> >> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
>> >> It’s a
>> >> >> pretty big series.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not 
>> >> >> the IDM
>> list.
>> >> It’s
>> >> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
>> >> speak
>> >> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang 
>> >> >> up on the
>> woman.
>> >> Often,
>> >> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
>> >> this
>> >> >> list.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to
>> contribute.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Denise Dalphond
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of 
>> >> >>> remorse. Just
>> empty
>> >> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>> >> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >>  i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group
>> for
>> >> a
>> >>  long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a
>> >> comment ..
>> >>  i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>> >>  i do find though 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

I know...my bad for not realizing the list wasn’t cc’d on my reply which I
thought it was.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Fred Heutte  wrote:

> I'm not Kent.
>
> -
> >Good job Kent, risk losing many rather than risk “offending† (or
> better
> >yet, removing) one.  I’m sure she’ll have fun taking to herself since
> she’s
> >probably used to it.
> >
> >Something tells me if she was a dude she’d be 86’d by now (or at least
> >severely warned).
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:28 AM Fred Heutte 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.
> Also
> >> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> >> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> >> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn,
> that
> >> was
> >> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
> >>
> >> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
> >>
> >> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> >> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> >> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
> >>
> >> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> >> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> >> should any of us continue to subscribe?
> >>
> >> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> >> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
> >> mid-1990s
> >> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
> >>
> >> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> >> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> >> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
> >>
> >> peace
> >>
> >> fh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> >> lot
> >> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global
> music
> >> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not
> get a
> >> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >> >being tone deaf .
> >> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >> >i am out of here .
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my
> communication.
> >> I’ll
> >> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be
> quiet.
> >> I’m
> >> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s
> all on my
> >> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit
> and
> >> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
> >> It’s a
> >> >> pretty big series.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM
> list.
> >> It’s
> >> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
> >> speak
> >> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the
> woman.
> >> Often,
> >> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
> >> this
> >> >> list.
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to
> contribute.
> >> >>
> >> >> Denise Dalphond
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just
> empty
> >> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
> >> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >>  i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group
> for
> >> a
> >>  long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a
> >> comment ..
> >>  i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
> >>  i do find though that your approach denise  can be very
> >> confrontational
> >>  and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the
> list is
> >>  dormant bar the denise show .
> >>  i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
> >>  times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy
> from
> >> these
> >>  occasional outbursts .
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond <
> >> denisedalph...@gmail.com>
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you.
> So maybe
> >> it’s
> >> > just your family.
> >> >
> >> > 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Jeff Davis]

Right.
Said.
Fred.


thanks,

Jeffrey J Davis

j...@jeffreyjdavis.com

www.jeffreyjdavis.com

218.833.2847



thanks,

Jeffrey J Davis

j...@jeffreyjdavis.com

www.jeffreyjdavis.com

218.833.2847





On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:28 PM Fred Heutte  wrote:
>
> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that was
> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
>
> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
>
> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
>
> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> should any of us continue to subscribe?
>
> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other 
> mid-1990s
> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
>
> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
>
> peace
>
> fh
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a lot
> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >being tone deaf .
> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >i am out of here .
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. 
> >> I’ll
> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. 
> >> I’m
> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
> >> pretty big series.
> >>
> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. 
> >> Often,
> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
> >> list.
> >>
> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >>
> >> Denise Dalphond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
>  long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment ..
>  i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>  i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
>  and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>  dormant bar the denise show .
>  i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
>  times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from 
>  these
>  occasional outbursts .
> 
> 
> 
>  On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe 
> > it’s
> > just your family.
> >
> > I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
> > boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been 
> > wishin I
> > was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
> >
> > I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
> > NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
> > raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I 
> > forgot
> > about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
> > the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
> > Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
> > Konkrete Jungle.
> >
> > Too off topic? Too 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Arturo Lopez]

Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging through
dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers, everybody.
-Arturo

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[ja...@iridite.com]

Amen to that Fred.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte  wrote:

> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
> had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
> Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
> at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that
> was
> a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).
>
> https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020
>
> She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
> doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
> 313, but either way I honor the decision.
>
> So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
> ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
> should any of us continue to subscribe?
>
> The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
> for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other
> mid-1990s
> mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.
>
> Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
> beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
> Without that, there is no reason to continue.
>
> peace
>
> fh
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> >crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> lot
> >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> >being tone deaf .
> >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> >keep supporting music not egos .
> >i am out of here .
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication.
> I’ll
> >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet.
> I’m
> >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music.
> It’s a
> >> pretty big series.
> >>
> >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list.
> It’s
> >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I
> speak
> >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman.
> Often,
> >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on
> this
> >> list.
> >>
> >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >>
> >> Denise Dalphond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> >>> “admissions of guiltâ€
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
> >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for
> a
>  long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a
> comment ..
>  i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>  i do find though that your approach denise  can be very
> confrontational
>  and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>  dormant bar the denise show .
>  i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
>  times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from
> these
>  occasional outbursts .
> 
> 
> 
>  On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe
> it’s
> > just your family.
> >
> > I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I
> had a
> > boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been
> wishin I
> > was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
> >
> > I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and
> other
> > NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
> > raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I
> forgot
> > about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder
> for
> > the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack,
> or my
> > Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
> > Konkrete Jungle.
> >
> > Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
> >
> > Denise Dalphond
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams <
> 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Fred Heutte]

I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that was
a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).

https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020

She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
313, but either way I honor the decision.

So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
should any of us continue to subscribe?

The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other mid-1990s
mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.

Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
Without that, there is no reason to continue.

peace

fh





-
>crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
>i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a lot
>into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
>and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
>network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
>look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
>being tone deaf .
>my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
>keep supporting music not egos .
>i am out of here .
>
>On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
>wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. 
>> I’ll
>> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
>> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
>> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
>> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
>> pretty big series.
>>
>> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
>> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
>> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
>> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
>> list.
>>
>> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>>> “admissions of guilt”
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>>
 i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
 long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment ..
 i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
 i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
 and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
 dormant bar the denise show .
 i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
 times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
 occasional outbursts .



 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
 wrote:

> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
> just your family.
>
> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>
> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I 
> forgot
> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
> Konkrete Jungle.
>
> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
>> that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the 
>> family.
>>
>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
>> were 

Keep it real (and on topic)

[Benn Glazier]

  
  

 I’ve seen Lerato on this list for some time. Just seen on their Insta that 
they’ve been playing back in my old home town in Australia and doing great 
things (nice warm fuzzies there).   And I welcome what Lerato posts - even if 
the emails are few and far between.
  

  
I’ve only ever had to block one person on 313 and unfortunately others still 
are responding to these posts and most if not all   are sick of the bloviation 
being spouted.
  

  
It’s a crying shame that in a community that’s always been about the music that 
someone is causing people to unsub because of their trolling behaviour.
  

  
I couldn’t care less where you sit on the gender binary.   Your personal 
business is your own. I   care about whether you’re a good person who has value 
to add to a conversation. I’m not seeing that.   
  


As I sit here in Amsterdam airport heading home for another week, I reflect on 
the times of the Lowlands list and when 313 had signal and a decent signal to 
noise ratio. Now it’s largely spiteful noise. I’m just about to tune out.
  



  



  
  

  
  
>   
> On Feb 26, 2020 at 7:00 pm,   (mailto:booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
> crikey . classic example of how not to built community . 
> i am   writing   to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a 
> lot into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .   
>   
> and i continue to work   hard to support communities within the global music 
> network young and old often from marginalized communities   who do not get a 
> look in , in the current climate   in electronic   music   but yeah carry on 
> being tone deaf .   
>   
> my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .   
>   
> keep supporting music not egos .   
>   
> i am   out of here .   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond   (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>   
> >   
> >   
> > Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll 
> > take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m 
> > not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my 
> > website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and 
> > resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a 
> > pretty big series.   
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> > I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s 
> > pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak 
> > up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often, 
> > I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this 
> > list.   
> >   
> >
> >   
> > I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Denise Dalphond
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi   > (mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
> >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > > Very well said.What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty 
> > > “admissions of guilt”
> > >   
> > >   
> > >
> > >   
> > >   
> > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi  
> > >  > > (mailto:booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com)>  wrote:
> > >   
> > > >   
> > > > i do   not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for 
> > > > a long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a 
> > > > comment . 
> > > > i am   a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .   
> > > >   
> > > > i do   find though that your approach denisecan be very 
> > > > confrontational and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels 
> > > > like the list is dormant bar the denise show .   
> > > >   
> > > > i am personally   not gaining a lot from the listcompared to former 
> > > > times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from 
> > > > these occasional outbursts .   
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond  
> > > > mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
> > > >   
> > > > >   
> > > > >   
> > > > > Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe 
> > > > > it’s just your family.   
> > > > >   
> > > > >   
> > > > >
> > > > >   
> > > > > I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had 
> > > > > a boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been 
> > > > > wishin I was Black because then you have to suffer racism.   
> > > > >   
> > > > >
> > > > >   
> > > > > I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and 
> > > > > other NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used 
> > > > > to go raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like 
> > > > > Twilo, I forgot about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I 
> 

Re: Best Logo?

[Jason Brunton]

Including The Master...Weird Al Yankovic!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:53, Rob Theakston  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm sure Jason's trying to "like" that post, too.
> 
> Pretty great selection of records comes up when you type Boober Atkins in 
> over at discogs: https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=Boober+Atkins=all
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mike Taylor  wrote:
>> I'm still waiting for Paxahau to give Boober Atkins long deserved headline 
>> slot on the underground stage. 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 12:46 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:
>>> I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s response 
>>> there 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
> 
 
 
 I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation. 
 
 I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would 
 rather give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to 
 express themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think. 
 
 Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
 
 
 
 
 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond 
>  wrote:
> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that 
> some people have been having? Is that what yr saying. 
> 
> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking. 
> 
> 
> Denise Dalphond 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the 
>> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts 
>> ready. 
>> 
>> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but 
>> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for 
>> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of 
>> Farmington Hills)
>> 
>> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a 
>> pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like 
>> something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in 
>> their commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with 
>> neckbeards" and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my 
>> liking. Boris Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.
>> 
>> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster. 
>> Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but 
>> renaissance music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -- 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist 
> schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Best Logo?

[Matthew Kane]

I didn't know Juan was related to a Fraggle.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mike Taylor  wrote:
>
> I'm still waiting for Paxahau to give Boober Atkins long deserved headline 
> slot on the underground stage.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 12:46 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:
>>
>> I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s response 
>> there
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation.
>>
>> I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would rather 
>> give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to express 
>> themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think.
>>
>> Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that some 
>>> people have been having? Is that what yr saying.
>>>
>>> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston  
>>> wrote:



 It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the 
 Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts 
 ready.

 I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but 
 appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for 
 making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington 
 Hills)

 Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a pharmaceutical 
 company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like something for a 
 vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their commercials. 
 Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards" and MK's logo 
 is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris Brejcha is 
 obviously a juggalo.

 This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster. 
 Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance 
 music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.






>>> --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work



-- 
matt kane's brain - he/him
twitter: @the_real_mkb / @nynexrepublic
http://hydrogenproject.com

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[Denise Dalphond]

You wanna know what they call people who live in Michigan, but on the
mainland, not in the UP? Trolls.

Denise Dalphond



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:21 PM kc Austin  wrote:

>
> way to destroy a list troll..
> sad, it only takes one really. been on here since the mid 90s but
> can't deal with nonsense like this. hope you get what you need out there
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:06 PM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Too much unpaid labor for me, Kent. Google it. I’m not a DJ. I don’t hang
>> out with DJ crews. I don’t know the people in Seraphine Collective. And I’m
>> still doin unpaid labor right now.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:00 PM Ben Britz  wrote:
>>
>>> that was your first mistake
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have the Internet but you sounded like you had some knowledge and
 context to offer.

 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:53 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?
>>
>> Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening
>> is by women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne,
>> Eris Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in
>> the Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
>> Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a
>>> DJ crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at
>>> Submerge. And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some 
>>> shows,
>>> like up and coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
>>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I
 read about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon 
 are
 also giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it 
 prompts
 you):

 https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit

 Andrew


 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
 --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Best Logo?

[Rob Theakston]

I'm sure Jason's trying to "like" that post, too.

Pretty great selection of records comes up when you type Boober Atkins in
over at discogs: https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=Boober+Atkins=all



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mike Taylor  wrote:

> I'm still waiting for Paxahau to give Boober Atkins long deserved headline
> slot on the underground stage.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 12:46 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:
>
>> I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s
>> response there
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation.
>>
>> I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would
>> rather give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to
>> express themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think.
>>
>> Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that
>>> some people have been having? Is that what yr saying.
>>>
>>> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
 Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
 ready.

 I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
 appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
 making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
 Hills)

 Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
 pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
 something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
 commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
 and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
 Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.

 This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster.
 Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance
 music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.






 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>

Re: Best Logo?

[Mike Taylor]

I'm still waiting for Paxahau to give Boober Atkins long deserved headline
slot on the underground stage.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 12:46 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:

> I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s response
> there
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation.
>
> I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would
> rather give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to
> express themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think.
>
> Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that
>> some people have been having? Is that what yr saying.
>>
>> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.
>>
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
>>> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
>>> ready.
>>>
>>> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
>>> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
>>> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
>>> Hills)
>>>
>>> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
>>> pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
>>> something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
>>> commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
>>> and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
>>> Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.
>>>
>>> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster.
>>> Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance
>>> music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>

Re: Best Logo?

[Rob Theakston]

Don't make me come over there and evaluate your logo.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:46 PM Jason Brunton  wrote:

> I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s response
> there
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation.
>
> I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would
> rather give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to
> express themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think.
>
> Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that
>> some people have been having? Is that what yr saying.
>>
>> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.
>>
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
>>> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
>>> ready.
>>>
>>> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
>>> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
>>> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
>>> Hills)
>>>
>>> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
>>> pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
>>> something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
>>> commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
>>> and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
>>> Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.
>>>
>>> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster.
>>> Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance
>>> music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>

Re: Best Logo?

[Jason Brunton]

I’m so out of practice with emails, I just tried to “ Like” Rob’s response 
there 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Rob Theakston  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation. 
> 
> I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would rather 
> give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to express 
> themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think. 
> 
> Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond  
>> wrote:
>> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that some 
>> people have been having? Is that what yr saying. 
>> 
>> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking. 
>> 
>> 
>> Denise Dalphond 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the 
>>> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts 
>>> ready. 
>>> 
>>> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but 
>>> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for 
>>> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington 
>>> Hills)
>>> 
>>> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a pharmaceutical 
>>> company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like something for a 
>>> vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their commercials. 
>>> Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards" and MK's logo 
>>> is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris Brejcha is 
>>> obviously a juggalo.
>>> 
>>> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster. Tune 
>>> in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance music 
>>> and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist 
>> schoolcraftwax.work

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[Mike Taylor]

Can the 313 HR Dept send me the enrollment packet for benefits and 401k?

Also, how much PTO have I accrued since 96?

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[kc Austin]

way to destroy a list troll..
sad, it only takes one really. been on here since the mid 90s but
can't deal with nonsense like this. hope you get what you need out there




On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:06 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Too much unpaid labor for me, Kent. Google it. I’m not a DJ. I don’t hang
> out with DJ crews. I don’t know the people in Seraphine Collective. And I’m
> still doin unpaid labor right now.
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:00 PM Ben Britz  wrote:
>
>> that was your first mistake
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have the Internet but you sounded like you had some knowledge and
>>> context to offer.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:53 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?

 Denise Dalphond




 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
 wrote:

> Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?
>
> Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening
> is by women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne,
> Eris Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in
> the Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
> Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a
>> DJ crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at
>> Submerge. And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows,
>> like up and coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
>>> about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
>>> giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts 
>>> you):
>>>
>>> https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
> --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Denise Dalphond]

Sweet Lerato. I am familiar with your work. I have no platform because most
people don’t want to know about history and true stories. Check my archival
collection at the Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana
University. You’ll see mostly Black men’s voices. Black men from Detroit.

Denise



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:00 PM Lerato Khathi <
booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:

> crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> lot into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
> and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> being tone deaf .
> my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
> keep supporting music not egos .
> i am out of here .
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication.
>> I’ll take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet.
>> I’m not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
>> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
>> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
>> pretty big series.
>>
>> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
>> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
>> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
>> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
>> list.
>>
>> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>>> “admissions of guilt”
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>>
 i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
 long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
 i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
 i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
 and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
 dormant bar the denise show .
 i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
 times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
 occasional outbursts .



 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
 wrote:

> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
> just your family.
>
> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had
> a boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>
> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and
> other NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to 
> go
> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I 
> forgot
> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
> Konkrete Jungle.
>
> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
>> that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the 
>> family.
>>
>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
>> were more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>>
>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages
>>> from Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>>
>>> Denise, the woman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the
 f out?

 Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was
 black?



 

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[Denise Dalphond]

Too much unpaid labor for me, Kent. Google it. I’m not a DJ. I don’t hang
out with DJ crews. I don’t know the people in Seraphine Collective. And I’m
still doin unpaid labor right now.

Denise



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:00 PM Ben Britz  wrote:

> that was your first mistake
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I have the Internet but you sounded like you had some knowledge and
>> context to offer.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:53 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?

 Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening is
 by women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne, Eris
 Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in the
 Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
 Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a
> DJ crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at
> Submerge. And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows,
> like up and coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
>> about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
>> giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts 
>> you):
>>
>> https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[Ben Britz]

that was your first mistake

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> I have the Internet but you sounded like you had some knowledge and
> context to offer.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:53 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?
>>>
>>> Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening is
>>> by women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne, Eris
>>> Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in the
>>> Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
>>> Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a DJ
 crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at Submerge.
 And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows, like up and
 coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.

 Denise Dalphond


 On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
 andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
> about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
> giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts 
> you):
>
> https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit
>
> Andrew
>
>
> --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>

Re: Best Logo?

[Rob Theakston]

I wouldn't mistake disinterest for silent observation.

I just don't have anything to add of a substantial nature, and would rather
give people space to do their thing. People ought to be able to express
themselves one way or another, unencumbered of what I think.

Plus a bit of a lightness with the heaviness never hurt anything, did it?





On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that some
> people have been having? Is that what yr saying.
>
> It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.
>
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
>> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
>> ready.
>>
>> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
>> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
>> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
>> Hills)
>>
>> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
>> pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
>> something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
>> commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
>> and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
>> Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.
>>
>> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster.
>> Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance
>> music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Lerato Khathi]

crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a lot
into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
being tone deaf .
my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
keep supporting music not egos .
i am out of here .

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll
> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
> pretty big series.
>
> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
> list.
>
> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>> “admissions of guilt”
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>>> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>>> dormant bar the denise show .
>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
>>> occasional outbursts .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
 just your family.

 I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
 boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
 was Black because then you have to suffer racism.

 I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
 NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
 raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
 about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
 the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
 Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
 Konkrete Jungle.

 Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.

 Denise Dalphond





 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
 wrote:

> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
> that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the 
> family.
>
> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
> were more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>
>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>
>> Denise, the woman
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
>>> out?
>>>
>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was
>>> black?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams <
>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
 lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than 
 inside;
 the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
 typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.

 I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
 close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Dude Kent why don’t you simply remove her?  She clearly violates any sort
of “code of conduct” that doesn’t need to be written down but rather seen
as common sense.

That, and she makes other members uncomfortable regardless if she crosses
any lines or not with her constant race and gender baiting.



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:52 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll
> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
> pretty big series.
>
> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
> list.
>
> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>> “admissions of guilt”
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>>> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>>> dormant bar the denise show .
>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
>>> occasional outbursts .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
 just your family.

 I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
 boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
 was Black because then you have to suffer racism.

 I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
 NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
 raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
 about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
 the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
 Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
 Konkrete Jungle.

 Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.

 Denise Dalphond





 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
 wrote:

> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
> that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the 
> family.
>
> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
> were more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>
>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>
>> Denise, the woman
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
>>> out?
>>>
>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was
>>> black?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams <
>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
 lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than 
 inside;
 the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
 typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.

 I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
 close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up. 
  I'd
 rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
 since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.

 There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing 

Re: Best Logo?

[Denise Dalphond]

Does this mean that you lack interest in the email conversations that some
people have been having? Is that what yr saying.

It’s how I feel a lot of the time when promoters are taking.


Denise Dalphond

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:54 PM Rob Theakston 
wrote:

>
>
> It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
> Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
> ready.
>
> I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
> appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
> making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
> Hills)
>
> Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
> pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
> something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
> commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
> and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
> Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.
>
> This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster.
> Tune in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance
> music and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[kent williams]

I have the Internet but you sounded like you had some knowledge and context
to offer.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:53 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?
>>
>> Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening is
>> by women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne, Eris
>> Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in the
>> Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
>> Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a DJ
>>> crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at Submerge.
>>> And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows, like up and
>>> coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
>>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
 about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
 giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts 
 you):

 https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit

 Andrew


 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Best Logo?

[Rob Theakston]

It's the topic everyone is talking about: who has the best logo on the
Movement 2020 poster? Here's my hottest of takes. Get those oven mitts
ready.

I do appreciate the throwback simplicity of the 9 logo, but
appreciate the Blade Runner nod from Adam Beyer. God love the Swedes for
making Michigan a better place (Lidstrom, Ikea, Swedish Club of Farmington
Hills)

Enrico Polazzo's logo looks like something you'd see from a
pharmaceutical company or third rate lawfirm, and Loco Dice's looks like
something for a vague startup company that has twee ukelele music in their
commercials. Walker & Royce screams "craft beer for men with neckbeards"
and MK's logo is WAY too close to Michael Kors' logo for my liking. Boris
Brejcha is obviously a juggalo.

This concludes my wrap up of the logos on the Movement of 2020 poster. Tune
in next week when I propose Seth Troxler play nothing but renaissance music
and vuvuzela during his allotted time spot.

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[Denise Dalphond]

Nandi Comer and a bunch of other people. Do you have the internet?

Denise Dalphond




On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?
>
> Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening is by
> women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne, Eris
> Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in the
> Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
> Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a DJ
>> crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at Submerge.
>> And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows, like up and
>> coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke <
>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
>>> about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
>>> giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts you):
>>>
>>> https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Denise Dalphond]

Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll
take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
pretty big series.

I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
list.

I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.

Denise Dalphond





On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> “admissions of guilt”
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:
>
>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
>> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
>> dormant bar the denise show .
>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former times
>> and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
>> occasional outbursts .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
>>> just your family.
>>>
>>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
>>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
>>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>>>
>>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
>>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
>>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
>>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
>>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
>>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
>>> Konkrete Jungle.
>>>
>>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>>>
>>> Denise Dalphond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
 that great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on
 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.

 I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they
 were more opinionated about music and less about each other.


 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>
> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>
> Denise, the woman
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
>> out?
>>
>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was
>> black?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
>>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside;
>>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
>>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>>>
>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  
>>> I'd
>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>>>
>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great
>>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those
>>> musicians.  There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more
>>> attention:
>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>>
>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues
>>> that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not
>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're a group 
>>> of
>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
“admissions of guilt”

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote:

> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
> i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
> dormant bar the denise show .
> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former times
> and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
> occasional outbursts .
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
>> just your family.
>>
>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>>
>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
>> Konkrete Jungle.
>>
>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not that
>>> great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on 313
>>> people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.
>>>
>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they were
>>> more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
 yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.

 You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
 Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.

 Denise, the woman



 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi 
 wrote:

> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
> out?
>
> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside;
>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>>
>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  
>> I'd
>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>>
>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great
>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those
>> musicians.  There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more
>> attention:
>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>
>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues
>> that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not
>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're a group 
>> of
>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So 
>> keep
>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you
>> disagree with them.
>>
> --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Lerato Khathi
> http://uzurirecordings.com
> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
> Skype : Lakuti
>

Re: "Mad" Mike Banks & Stacey "Hotwaxx" Hale at symposium

[kent williams]

Who are the DJs in Seraphine Collective?

Maybe it's just me but the current music that dominates my listening is by
women, non-binary and queer people.  Octo Octa, Ciel, Ilana Bryne, Eris
Drew, Violet, Ziur, Meemo Comma, Erika.  Most of those people are in the
Detroit scene, per se, but Eris Drew is playing "No Way Back" during
Movement this year, and Violet is playing the Lot Mass after party.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:28 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> There’s always stuff goin on. Submerge hosts Seraphine Collective, a DJ
> crew 4 women, non-binary, and queer people. Like they practice at Submerge.
> And then, Submerge seems like they have been having some shows, like up and
> coming mostly Black women musicians from Detroit.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:34 AM Andrew Duke 
> wrote:
>
>> As a teacher and the son of a teacher, it makes me happy when I read
>> about ongoing events like this; Mike Huckaby and Terrence Dixon are also
>> giving back in their ways. (You can skip the site survey if it prompts you):
>>
>> https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/detroit-djs-producers-talk-start-techno-and-bringing-music-education-detroit
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Lerato Khathi]

i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment .
i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational and
can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is dormant
bar the denise show .
i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former times
and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
occasional outbursts .



On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
> just your family.
>
> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>
> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go
> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot
> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for
> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my
> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like
> Konkrete Jungle.
>
> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not that
>> great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on 313
>> people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.
>>
>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they were
>> more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never
>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>>
>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from
>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>>
>>> Denise, the woman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
 out?

 Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?



 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
 wrote:

> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund
> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside;
> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even
> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>
> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  
> I'd
> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>
> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great
> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those
> musicians.  There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more
> attention:
> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>
> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues
> that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not
> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of
> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So 
> keep
> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you
> disagree with them.
>
 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>


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Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Denise Dalphond]

Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s just
your family.

I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
was Black because then you have to suffer racism.

I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other NYC
90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go raving at
in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I forgot about
Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder for the
floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, or my Lisa
Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like Konkrete
Jungle.

Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.

Denise Dalphond





On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams 
wrote:

> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not that
> great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on 313
> people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.
>
> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they were
> more opinionated about music and less about each other.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never yelled
>> at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>>
>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from Dan
>> Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>>
>> Denise, the woman
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f
>>> out?
>>>
>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately
 and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the
 flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing
 "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.

 I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
 close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
 rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
 since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.

 There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
 now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
 There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
 https://undergroundandblack.com/

 And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues
 that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not
 appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of
 friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep
 in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you
 disagree with them.

>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[kent williams]

The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not that
great for the list.  Every time there's a big emotional flare-up on 313
people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the family.

I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they were
more opinionated about music and less about each other.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never yelled
> at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
>
> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from Dan
> Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
>
> Denise, the woman
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f out?
>>
>>
>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately
>>> and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the
>>> flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing
>>> "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>>>
>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not
>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>>>
>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
>>> now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
>>> There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>>
>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues that
>>> have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not appropriate
>>> content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of friends,
>>> widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
>>> you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you disagree
>>> with them.
>>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Denise Dalphond]

I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he never yelled
at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.

You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages from Dan
Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.

Denise, the woman



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f out?
>
> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately
>> and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the
>> flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing
>> "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>>
>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not close
>> enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>>
>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
>> now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
>> There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
>> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>
>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues that
>> have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not appropriate
>> content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of friends,
>> widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
>> you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you disagree
>> with them.
>>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill the f out?

Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was black?



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately
> and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the
> flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing
> "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird.
>
> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not close
> enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.
>
> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
> now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
> There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
> https://undergroundandblack.com/
>
> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues that
> have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not appropriate
> content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of friends,
> widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
> you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you disagree
> with them.
>

Keep it real (and on topic)

[kent williams]

I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund lately and
probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than inside; the flavor is
completely different than it was 20 years ago. And even typing "20 years
ago" about a mailing list feels weird.

I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm not close
enough to any of the principles in that fight to know what's up.  I'd
rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years
since Derrick May's really been musically relevant.

There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great things
now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify those musicians.
There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
https://undergroundandblack.com/

And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal issues that
have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's not appropriate
content, but it should be in the context that we're a group of friends,
widely dispersed geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if you disagree
with them.