Re: (313) busted ?????
One more: Organic w/ Joe Claussel was busted at about 2:30 or 3. Before Joe even got on. lack of turn out plus the bust (plus paying $20 for about 1/2 hour of dancing) made the whole thing a bummer. J the parties that i went to / tried to go to that got busted were dan bell/tejeda and saunderson on sat night and on sunday the rob hood / suburban night party got it after we left. i'm sure there were a lot more. the cops walked into the KMS party @ the works on monday night but left after a little walk through. I stayed till kdj got off at around 6am + the party was still going w/ todd terry in the back. seems pretty random to me but if anyone has any good conspiracy theories i would love to hear them ;)! -Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) busted ? so what was te deal with all the busted parties this year? every party/show i attened this year was shut down early. detroit contempory on friday be it 5am and they were still serving, but on sunday when i played there they closed it down at 2:50/3ish and they stopped serving at 1:50, but the cop said she saw someone with a drink. not true. paxahau party it was cool that speedy j, stew, and keith, pole were there but it ended at 2am the ticket had question marks on it for the end time and the rumor was they were stopping live acts at 3am and then the special guests were playing. it seemed like this year was the year of busted parties. tried going to spite, guy at the door was like the cops are coming you have to leave? 7th city party busted. i know i'm missing some scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com -- Knecht
(313) Rolando in Lansing Tonight
Sorry if this has already been posted A perfefct way to start your Movement weekend Tonight May 22 Lansing MI BANG! DJ sets from DJ Rolando Mike Ransom where : Spiral in Old Town. Spend your evening at a beautiful venue and support a night that needs it. For more info you can visit www.brownnoteproductions.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions.
House Of Jealous Lovers - The Rapture he not in - chicken lips From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:04:07 +0930 To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. just thought i would use that term to piss the nerds off a bit :) anyhow i got a cd of nice bleepy house stuff (im too scared to use any phrase which could be considered a 'genre') from a guy here in adelaide, its all quite slow, i think a lot of it is played at minus pitch which sounds great. it has a tracklist but only the song names not the artists, so if anyone can fill in the gaps i would be quite happy! 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s) 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - 18 - ride on the rhythm - ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 -- Knecht
(313) plastikman font
Off the list for a bit, nice to be back. Thought I'd share something I picked up last week. I was shopping at PDQ in Tuscon, Arizona, (an amazing place - if you're ever in the area, check it out. TONS of wax - all old stuff) and among the gems I found (inc mint French Kiss 12 on Arista(?)) was a record I picked up strictly for the cover art. All writing was in the Plastikman font. Not a similar font, the exact same font, in the same red color. Even the i was dotted with the plus 8 ish symbol. The funny thing is, the issue date was either 1988 or 89. Anyone ever seen this before? The Artist: Confession Title : I found my Love 12 Label : Abfahrt (sp) The sound is Euro/club/trance as you might expect something from the late 80s to sound. If you search the label (German) you can find it on the web and check the cover out yourself. No link, though. Sorry. J. -- Knecht
(313) 11/15 Metro Area, Hood, Heard
Anyone have to scoop for the poor souls who couldn't get to Chicago? J. -- Knecht
(313) OT-ortofon cartridge problems
Sorry for OT, I have a very annoying problem with my ortofon concordes, and I wondering if anyone has any fixes. Channel dropout. You may be familiar. A frequent problem with these cart's from my experience, but my problem is a chronic one. it seems that each time I lift the tonearm and set it back down, there is more dropout. J -- Knecht
Re: (313) Listmember's sites
www.brownnoteproductions.com Here's a little something I'm involved with. Just getting started, but more content every week. Some mixes (Trent Abbe, T. Linder, Keith Cha, myself, and others) and local (lansing) scene stuff, plus a few reviews, more to come. If interested in submitting, feel free to email. J. Most of the ppl on here are technies (me not included) so there's, IMHO, some really good programming and creative work going on amongst members.(I do check out ppl's sites in their sig) Anyhow, if you've skipped over this listmember's site, might I suggest you check it out during an 'attention span shortage' moment at work. From the nose down he's a dead ringer for Matthew Hawtin (there's your 313). http://www.11235813.com/ any others? d __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 -- Knecht
Re: (313) ghostly in lansing 11/9
Maybe its because no one shows up. I don't know where to point the finger, but not long ago Carlos Souffrount (sp?) played to a Temple crowd of exactly 5. On the other hand, The Detroit Grand Pubas gave that club probably the best night they have ever seen, and Andy (Dr. Toefinger) told me that it was the best show they (Pubas) ever had. Take it for what its worth. J. lansing and techno is about basements. soon coming to one near you! just hit me back and I'm there. me and my mini keg... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: RE: (313) ghostly in lansing 11/9 tho only techno dj that the temple brings in is twonz. don't get me wrong, twonz rocks. but how about some different acts? temple is the only club in the area that has the potential to be a good place to hear some real music. but they insist to play bullshit. they brought dj icey a few weeks ago, give me a break. although i have seen jay denham, rob hood and t-1000 there. i am pretty sure the pepople that run electronic nights there put together the ESIfest, which is a good time. i gave jerome a cd when i first moved up here. i told him it was a 3 table techno mix. when i left the place my cd was sitting behind the bar with him nowhere to be found. if it sould have been trance he probably would have made it a point to listen to it. it sould be nice to have a weekly around here so i didn't have to drive to detroit every week. in any case, thanks for the update. i haven't heard anything about it until now. see you there. dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I will do some advertising for this, since the club has decided not to for some reason, though I'm not suprised, temple club (up here in lansing) is so disorganized. artists: matt d tadd m tood o snipped from www.templeclub.com This Saturday Night, Ghostly Records presents a night of intelligent electronic music. That's the Way the Cookie Crumbled For this Kid... Featuring Todd Osborne, Matthew Dear and Tadd Mullinix as James Cotton. Door open at 9 PM. 21+ is $5 and 18+ is $10. end snip I dont know about the rest of you (lansing residents and performers who come here), but I have noticed an increasing lack of respect from temple club twords most things techno. I cant figure it out because the gen. manager of the club made his mark in lansing doing a techno club night. they dont advertise and they dont have diversaty in there artists. they have not even asked one of lansing top dj's to play. it seems unless you are part of cc tech or a top 40ish dj your just not welcome IMO. I just dont get it last week I was given several fliers for dj assult on halloween and a one for the real world undressed but nothing on this ghostly show! done venting... scotto lansing, mi tired of this town again --tom petty guess I just sealed my fate in ever palying there? -- Knecht
(313) New Dance Show
Greetings, Wondering if anyone out there has info on the New Dance Show. Please reply in private. Thanks, J. -- Knecht P.S. I think the new Metro Area is the best album I've heard in years. Cheers to Morgan and Darshan.
Re: (313) Mayday Mix
Of course, convextion is also in the Juan Atkins Mastermix, which is not the cleanest mix perhaps, but the energy comes through and Track selection is stellar if you ask me. BTW, where can I get the MayDay mix? J. On Friday, October 4, 2002, at 12:44 PM, Maarten Baute wrote: also in the mix, the underrated convextion release on matrix.. truly brilliant.. yes! such a great track although i've never come close to making it sound as good as it does in this mix. the mix is pro-tooled though.. the mix sounds amazing.. but a lot of stuff is done with computer.. wich is not a problem for me.. especially considering what was done with it. that middle section from Preacher Man to the backward bit with Alarms is just freakin' amazing. this is one of my favorite mix cds, without question. probably the favorite. speaking of, i have the original japanese release... it came with a little 2.5x3.5 18 page photo booklet. does the cd still come with this these days? -- Knecht
(313) OLD KDJ WAX?
Realized last night that a prized KDJ 12 is missing. Can't remeber the title. Titles imply winter. january something. Can't even remeber the label. it might have been self released, a plainish red center sticker. Any help? I'd like to find it again. J. -- Knecht
(313) St. Andrews Hall in SPIN
Some listemembers may be interested in reading the extensive and entertaining article on St. Andrews Hall's bouncers. Also bonus points if you can find the picture of Metro Area in elsewhere in the issue. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) RE: [313] What would you consider to be your rarest 313 record?
Okay this maybe among the most rare. Dopplereffekt put out a 7 prior to any 12 releases. I don't actually own it. The copy I've seen belongs to a friend, who also owns a 12 by a pre-drexciyan - It must date back to the 80's, and features some of the same drum programming heard years later on the Wavejumper EP. Personally I've always kept an eye open for the Psychofuk 12 on matrix, first shown to me years ago by a fellow listmember. J I managed to get my hands on a white label of Drama #1 funky souls not a clue if that's rare or not but I think it may be. Trevor Wilkes inyerear.com - Original Message - From: Pryor, Ryan N [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'logic7' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) RE: [313] What would you consider to be your rarest 313 record? You can still purchase this record @ www.ghostly.com for $5.50. I'd hardly consider it rare. -Original Message- From: logic7 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 6:42 PM To: '313 Detroit' Subject: Re: (313) RE: [313] What would you consider to be your rarest 313 record? Lessee... Matthew Dear/Daisha (Dave Disco D Shayman) - Hands Up For Detroit (Ghostly International GHS-001) -- Knecht
(313) Metro Area Repress
FYI I was in my local record shop today and came across the highly sought after Metro Area #1. The shopkeeper told me its been repressed. J. -- Knecht
[313] LANSING OLD SCHOOL ARTICLE
For anyone interested, there is an article I have been asked to forward to this list. The subject is the history of techno in Lansing, MI. It is the cover story in this weeks version of the city-pulse, and alternative news weekly in Lansing. Enjoy. J. -- Knecht - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] LANSING URL (WHOOPS)
Uh, sorry. If interested in the article on Lansing techno, it can be found at www.city-pulse.org Thanks, J. -- Knecht - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Paging Mr. Horsepower or any old Lansing cats
If you have a background in Lansing, especially if your name is Steve Lammers or maybe you were involved with V-Max records or any promotion groups, or have memories of playing in town please let know. I am conducting research for a local article on the subject. Joe Lynn -- Knecht - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
your webcasting Friday Nights
URGENT : Friday Nights 10 pm to 2am ET www.mechanicalpulse.com FM frequency : 88.9 Origin : East Lansing, Michigan The saga continues J. -- Knecht 010110
Schatrax, Perlon, UR - questions, tips, review
Back from the dead to ask a few questions. Always wanted to know but never thought to ask about Schatrax. Who is it, is there anything else out under different names? All releases I possess are excellent - chord oriented deep techno (house?) Lovely movement to all, and not tiring in the least. These have truly stood the test of time. Also, Best Perlon releases? And not that I have to tell you, but Millenium 2 Millenium is out. Side A is Timeline and the name describes it accurately, starting with some I could die for you Prince sounding chords, bringing in a nice timeless house beat working the strings and dropping a nice high snakey synth line (think Jupiter Jazz) that a friend says is sampled, but I've never heard it before and don't think so, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it is the latest in a series of definitive landmark UR records. B side is a 4-hero mix of Amazon from World 2 World. Syncopated shuffled beats which try something new (still same bpm) but not anywhere as good as the original. How I wish I could find those old 12s. Happy New Year to All One more question - what ever happened with that 4-hero related Planet E jazz release? J. -- Knecht
Re: [313]poo-blahs
..Who the F*ck care's 'bout mtv and totl request live , but little teenage kids in the suburbs who like britney spears... How about the people who are trying to make a living off it? Even if that does involve the suits at Jive, wouldn't you rather see/hear some totally independently - produced music written by the performers themselves as opposed to the drivel that bubblegum factory that is TRL normally is forced to show? It all started out as a joke anyway. If they can get it on MTV, I say more power to em. -- Knecht
puba vid
On the topic of the video, I just saw it this weekend (on tape) and laughed till I hurt. Looked pretty shiny and MTV friendly, and could probably make it to AMP (Is that even still on?) or even some regular rotation based on sheer comedic value. There are a lot of skantily clad women of all shapes and sizes and a kiddie pool full of mayonaisse. Watch for cameo of Brian Gillespie whooping it up as mayo splats across his face. Hilarious. J. Is not Jive Rec members of the BMG, Bertelsmann Trust :- As Cyclone said, the line between underground/and not is a fine and complex one. This circumstance, for right now, is very diff't than the one with Jaguar. PS: I don't know what all people found so good by the Sandwitch Track. It's not the song of the year. For me it's just a new London created hype from the DJ Mag/Muzik and some majors industry. I find the DJ Assault and Aux 88 tracks 100x better. In the states we were fortunate to get to know the track without the pushhype of outside sources, and simply from word of mouth and the track hyping itself. *shrug* Overall I think the song is about nothing more than having fun, being happy for all those involved with the Pubahs and the track, not worrying about who is what to what paycheck-that will be worried and dealt with if the time ever comes belong to those involved. I will say that Toth's production, overall, is good-he has a lot of production experience. If you get to hear more pubah tracks-I think that is more clear.If Paris and Toth and those involved get to see the same lootfame as Spears-more power to them-lets just hope they do it with out the school girl outfit and glitter (though with paris...who knows:)) BUT like anything,once you start dissecting something too much-it loses its guts. just my opinions d np:the fab 4. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Knecht
paging I Vines + M MacQueen
Izzy and Matt, I need snail mail addy's. Joe
OMIGOD! Fran K's Essential Mix
If I know this list at all, I know a number of you are already hip to this, but never having seen mention of it on this list, I'll do the honors. Essential Mix Francois K 2000 London Records (2cd import) Find it. Maurizio, Jephte Gillaume, Tower of Power(!), JB, George Benson, Kyoto Jazz Massive, Kerri Chandler, PAPERCLIP PEOPLE, Kraftwerk, De La Soul(!!:)!!), Jazzanova, St. Germain, Exodus (the source of the Eddie Amador House Mix riff discussed a bit back) King Tubby(), and others (Sorry about all the parentheses and exclamation points!). 2 discs representing K's take on the last 25 years of New York Dance Music. These days, I can't help but occassionally feeling like things (dance music wise) are getting a little stale. Signal to noise status bleak. Francois K., message heard loud and clear. 10-4 good buddy. Long Live Dance Music. Higginson for President. ;) J. -- Knecht
(313) moods and mr g.
Any reviews of this the new G-flame and Mr G 12 on moods and grooves? The recent double pack from the g-men (flight of the phoenix?) definitely gets 2 hands waving in the air from me. And considering the amazing back catalogue of mg, I'm looking forward to this release. Last night's listening: Andrea Parker Dj Kicks incl. Depeche Mode, Dr Octagon, Piece 69, C.O.D. (In the bottle) drexiya, Juan Atkins, dopplereffekt, and more. Pretty sweet stuff. J. -- Knecht
(313) To Richie's Credit (was NY Times)
I gotta take a chance to defend Richie Hawtin here. First, maybe he was not as much of an originator or innovator as some other maybe less mentioned detroiters, but he brought the sound to a new audience. He was, for many, a doorway into the world of eletronic dance music. How many ppl do you know that have a plastikman cd and not much else? How many of you were the same way? I was. And I couldn't ask for a better introduction/indoctrination/whatever, and along every step of the way, richie hawtin has been there, unlike some other innovators And its not like he's appealing to the commercial masses. I won't even go there. So, regardless of the effects on the scene today (which are VERY debateable) richie brough techno to a new and very widespread (ummm, WHITE, maybe?) audience in a very big way. If it wasn't for Richie Hawtin, I might have never heard Red Planet, Minimal Nation, or Strings of Life. Richie (from probably 93 to 98 ish) was a HUGE part of the Detroit scene. Plus 8 parties were where you went KNOWING that you were gonna flip your lid. The energy in those gigs was undeniable, and the cohesive effect they had on the Detroit scene was a huge part of what made partying in detroit so much fun, and so REAL. Yeah, theres plenty of others who deserve credit, but richie is such a good primer to deep minimal detroit(ish?) techno, and his music has the staying power of few other producers period. He deserves all the credit he has recieved. Peace J. In a message dated 3/22/00 11:58:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not to mention, with all due respect to Mr.Hawtin, there are OTHER detroit techno artists besides the said 4 and him...coughAlanOldham...and others that its about time people learned about. I think that people on this list are always going to complain when somebody like the NY Times does an article because there's no way they're going to get it right and we should be happy that they're talking about half decent electronic music at allBUT this brings up the fine topic of why Mr. Hawtin is mentioned as the pioneer. Not to take away from Mr. Hawtin, but is it perhaps because he's white? After all, every other Detroit artist of note from that period is black. Atkins, May, Saunderson, Larkin, Banks, Craig, Mills, Hood, Deason, Baxter, Oldham, etc. etc. I like some of the old FUSE and Plus 8 stuff myself, but, you know, wouldn't Carl Craig or Mad Mike be a more appropriate choice? They seem to epitomize the Detroit sound both then and now and were originators, innovators and elevators throughout the past dozen years. Richie Hawtin started a couple years after these guys, wasn't as directly involved in the scene and as far as I can gather from this far away wasn't even liked by some of the people in Detroit, and most of his best early stuff as FUSE et al. seems indebted to Underground Resistance, Metroplex, Chicago acid, etc. That doesn't mean it is bad or his accomplishments should be doubted, but it does seem a stretch to call him a pioneerrather call him a skilled producer with good taste. Matt np: Psyche - Evolution (yeah buddy!) -- Knecht
Re: (313) To Richie's Credit (was NY Times)
lks wrote A caveat. I haven't listened to Hawtinknow who he is, but wouldn't know his music at all if I heard it. I can understand why you would want to defend him. From what I've heard of him, he isn't bad. However, it's important that you don't go too far with this. You argue above that Hawtin has been there every step of the way. Given that Detroit techno starts with Cosmic Cars back in '82and Hawtin doesn't appear on the scene until the early ninetiesI don't know how this can be the case. okay, okay, every step of the way since I got on board, anyway. Not since the beginning, but he has never stopped is my point. He has been a strong influence in the direction of the music/scene since he got involved. His The other argument above is he brought techno to a new audience. I'm not sure I buy thisfor reasons I state belowbut let's say that it is true. That Hawtin got people to listen to the music that wouldn't have listened to it otherwise. So what? This makes him an excellent publicist perhapsbut not necessarily a good artist. Or rather, not necessarily good enough to take Regardless of what your aesthetic opinions of his art are, he made many more ppl aware of what was going on. My response, and I'm sure the response of many others, when I heard what richie did, was What is this? Where is this from? Who else is making this music? How can I hear more? In that sense, richie helped shed more light on the true pioneers/originators So, regardless of the effects on the scene today (which are VERY debateable) richie brough techno to a new and very widespread (ummm, WHITE, maybe?) audience in a very big way. If it wasn't for Richie Hawtin, I might have ne ver heard Red Planet, Minimal Nation, or Strings of Life. So are you saying that Hawtin has no effect on today's music scene? The opposite. His effect is huge, but I think today we (in Detroit anyway) are seeing long term effects of bringing the white audience into the fold. Go to any rave and you'll see what I mean. Now to the new, widespread, and white audience. The reason I'm not sure that I buy this is because techno had already made the leap to Europe before Hawtin blew upand when it made its way back in the form of rave music, it seems to me that Hawtin got caught up IN that scenebut wasn't necessarily RESPONSIBLE for it. He may have been the surfer at the crest of the wave, but he didn't bring the wave IN did he? Yes. Frankie Bones in NYC, Richie Hawtin in Detroit. And of course there is the sticky questionwhy is it important that a new, widespread, white, audience gets introduced to the music in the first place? Because white people are just as creative potent as black ppl right? Ideas get developed. Mutated. Creation occurs. Music is a collective experience. In some senses, the more the merrier, as long as there is respect (and good taste). Peace J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Whiter Audience (was Re: (313) To Richie's Credit (was NY Times))
Not sure if I can agree with you on that one. Any type of music can get attention by simply appealing to a specific demographic group. See: Teenage girls, Asian-Americans, Latinos, hillbillies, ad infinitum. Perhaps some media would lead one to believe that the only MEANINGFUL demographic group is a select age of white males, but sales hardly reflect this. How about white males and their offspring? What sales do you refer to? I'm sure we all know that 70% of hip-hop music is said to be purchased by white youth. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) killabite
Whose label is Loops? I think that Mr Sims has a release or two on that one. -flashback to last night 3:30 a.m. walking through an abondoned Michigan capital complex while listening to Time:Space comp on my phones. A moment. J. yep. no doubt. another ben sims label besides hardgroove, theory and symbolysm. two releases so far. -- Knecht
Re: loop .. was Re: (313) killabite
hehe.. also, after the sending the mail i wasn't sure if he meant the Killer Loops label too.. :) mike Hmm. I'm not sure which one I meant. Probably B. S. Presents is the one that I've seen. (Hardgroove) Definitely sounded like him. I saw a box the other day at the grocery store called Fruit Loops. Does Sims ever go by General Mills - maybe paying homage to Jeff? Info?;) J. Thanks for the help everybody! Wasn't the question in reference to 'Ben Sims Presents... The Loops'? If so, that label is Hardgroove. Yes, Ben has a couple releases on Hardgroove - The Loops (Hardgroove 001) and The Dubs (Hardgroove 002). At 3:33 PM -0500 3/21/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For info on loop go to http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-59539/skeleton.html mike On 21 Mar 00, at 15:13, Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: Whose label is Loops? I think that Mr Sims has a release or two on th at one. -flashback to last night 3:30 a.m. walking through an abondoned Michigan capital complex while listenin g to Time:Space comp on my phones. A moment. J. yep. no doubt. another ben sims label besides hardgroove, theory and symbolysm. two releases so far. -- Knecht -- Knecht
(313) salon on techno culture
Found an interesting article on the place of techno and rave culture in society in today's Salon. http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2000/03/14/machinesoul/index.html -- Knecht
Re: (313) live PAs Live PAs :)
If someone ever put a t-shirt in the DJ shops that read NO REQUESTS I bet they'd make a lot of money. I'll sell you my idea. Copyright.2000 :) J. me and said Can he play some jungle?? when ever anybody ask me to play something, i like to be as polite as possible. like when i played at the majestic for a while, and some guy asked me if i had sweet child of mine, right in the middle of a phat electronica set i was droppin'. i was like ohdamn..., i just took that out of my crate, but i love that shit, then shot the shit about g 'n r, for a while. i got a lot of request for master-p too, of course, i had to check...but shucks, i forgot to bring it, but i love 'p. c-ya ksg. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Knecht
(313) MUMTAZ?
Currently seeking info on a dj calling himself MUMTAZ. He has got quite a little buzz going around these parts based of a recent performance of his. Apparently this guy has got MAD SKILLS. Cutting, doubles, speedy gonzalez on the techno tip, and SMOOTH. or so I hear. people are saying some pretty superlative sh*t about this guy out here in Mid Michigan. Whaddya know? J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) tribal techno
urban fox wrote btw the latest thing to catch peoples ears now the deep and dark tribal purcussive loops have become (over) common is a style of Latin or samba techno. Works exceptionally well on the 'floor. Still looking for the source of this .. I'd say that its reasonable well showcased on Richie's DE9 disk. Road to Rio and that stuff in the beginning. I love what he does with those Grain records. That's what I think of when I think of Tribal techno - organic super deep drummy sh*t. Tribal Cuts Vol 1, Grain, Cosmic, Bicknell, this stuff sounds like it could have been recorded straight from the most wicked drum circle you never heard. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) tribal techno
Without even listening, I'm gonna guess. killa bite?!? With the cut up vocal sample Ooh Ooh Ooh. Is that it? J. Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich -- Knecht
Re: (313) tribal techno
Without even listening, I'm gonna guess. killa bite?!? With the cut up vocal sample Ooh Ooh Ooh. Is that it? J. er, wait, it goes ba-ba-badya-ba-ba! that's the jam. I've heard him play that often. I don't have access to sound at work, so i can't listen. I'll shut up now. J Talking of tribal techno - one of the records I've been hunting for a while now, one that Derrick May seems to play almost every time he DJ's still eludes me! can anyone id this track? It's on Derrick May's set from the streetsound site: http://streetsound.pseudo.com/specials/engage/may.ram comes in near the start after Reborn by Walt J:9:45 this track makes *everbody* shake their thang and its deep ta boot :) Rich -- Knecht -- Knecht
Re: (313) tribal techno
Speaking of Grain 2, is that still fairly available? I've been trying to get my hands on it, but most of the distributors are out of it. Any mail order stores (or distributors) you can recommend? I know Sonic Groove has it listed, but it's not in the store. The locked grooves on #1 are so much fun. Are there only 2, or is there a third? And what's the deal with the weird radio stuff at the ends of those records? J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Reply
the Detroit Grand Pubahs are on the cover of the Metro Times this week and Aux 88 won *two* Metro Times Music Awards last year. Not to mention last year's big hype on ghettotech in Mixer, Details, Rolling Stone, etc. IT's From Beyond was one of the 90s' best discs according to Spin. Alan, I'm confused about how this attention plays into your arguement. But I'm happy to see Andy (of the Pubas) finally getting a little bit of credit. Check out the article at www.metrotimes.com J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. J. 'Til they fall down? Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he should be doing? Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org -- Knecht
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
That called hedonism. Definitely, it SHOULD be about art. I respect Jeff Mills' ideas and his tunes, yeah, part of his vision. Possibly not part of mine, I buy all off his stuff but I never put it in the mix (maybe I'm just stupid:). He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) --- Joseph Ross Lynn IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
Art is not about enjoyment. Art is about mind expansion. Sometimes pleasure is mind enhancement. Sometimes confusion is mind enhancement. Listen to Xenakis and tell me what you think. I've compared his music to the sound of hell, but there is much to be learned from it. Mind Expansion. J. He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) -- Knecht
Re: (313) music and art (was ben sims)
I agree with you in that the future of music relies on innovation and breaking boundaries. Though, I think that there is a point where music is no longer music and it just becomes an racket (damn, I sound like my dad!!!). It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. I'm sure music in 1000 years will sound a lot different than music today (if it still exists), but you can't just jump there now. It cannot be created in such a way. Nothin' wrong with trying tho. J. Dj Pacific:) --- Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? If every composer thought like that, there would be no progression in music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, and these 'so called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene stagnating. Sure, experimenting just for the sake of being unconventional doesn't always result in good music, but breaking the rules is how every important musical genre was created. And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking dancefloor tunes together'? There's a million other producers out there that keep the market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims included). It seems like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to the scene which has sprung up as a result of people taking some of the basic ideas of some of his past production and copying them. They, and you, may have missed the point. People are preoccupied with emulating the specific sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the attitude/state of mind that created it... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) music and art (was ben sims)
It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. It is impossible to free one's self from the influence of the past, after all that's what makes us who we are, but it is an interesting exercise to try to avoid all conscious refrences to the past and present in order to make something totally new. DJ Spooky is quite outspoken on such philisophical modernistic aesthetics. He calls pop culture today a culture of amnesia, because we seem to be losing all our links to the past. Anyway, this is for some other list somewhere else. -out J. -- Knecht
(313) Motor Status
Would anyone in the know care to enlighten us as far as the stats of Motor after the incident? J. -- Knecht
Re: (313)kdj 2 track EP's SUCK!
On the other hand, I've been told that the kdj on moods / grooves isn't actually that good (I guess when you compare it to other moodyman stuff). I'll still hear it for myself, if mike grant decides to repress the sucker. Wrong. Its good. I guess you could measure it against KDJ's back catalogue, but why? Maybe it is as good, maybe not, but it doesn't matter. Standing alone, both tracks are 1) different enough in feel to serve two seperate functions in a mix, which I like much better than these original with 3 crappy mixes packages for 12 you see all the time, and 2) good. J. -- Knecht
Re: (313)kdj 2 track EP's SUCK!
To note further, I think that maybe this release is suffering from having another kdj release out that is stealing the spotlight. That's fine, but don't over look this track. I remeber the same thing seemed to happen when Mills put out Kat Moda and then Force Universalle. Both are great, but Kat Moda and the bells was the big hit, and every kid with $6 in his pocket picked that one up over Force Universalle. Comments? Is this just bad marketing? J. On the other hand, I've been told that the kdj on moods / grooves isn't actually that good (I guess when you compare it to other moodyman stuff). I'll still hear it for myself, if mike grant decides to repress the sucker. Wrong. Its good. I guess you could measure it against KDJ's back catalogue, but why? Maybe it is as good, maybe not, but it doesn't matter. Standing alone, both tracks are 1) different enough in feel to serve two seperate functions in a mix, which I like much better than these original with 3 crapp y mixes packages for 12 you see all the time, and 2) good. J. -- Knecht -- Knecht
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
I use the same criteria - money better spent. Its little cost corners like that that can be the difference between a good collection and a great collection. J. Staurt McMillan (Soma/ Slam/ Counterplan/ Pressure) won't buy a 12 record unless its got a half decent 2nd side/ track, thats why he only travels with 10 -15 records. jason -- Knecht
(313) SUCK! ass!
Well, there are the disagreements on this list, but based off subject headings, (but don't judge a book by its cover) it would seem that we agree that some things SUCK! and other things kick ass! Glad we can be emphatic. Boo for 2 trackers! Yeah for Ben Sims! What happens if Ben Sims puts out a one sided 2 Tracker?!?!?!? Whoa. Deep, man, deep. J. -- Knecht
(313) deep house soldiers unite!
Just a little reminder for those of you (us) who haven't yet heard, next Sat. March 11. Organic Presents * BASSICKS * (flyer transciption courtesy of J. Knecht) DJS Mark Grant Guidance/Cajual Recording Artist - Chicago From producing, playting worldwide and having residencies at two of Chicago's most prominent nightclubs, his mastery of house music has made a lasting impression on people everywhere. Come witness this rare Detroit appearance. Mike Huckaby Mike Clark Michael Geiger Doors @ 11 Info:313 438 3810 $10 all night ORGANIC (hope there's no copyright issues with that) -- Knecht
(313) MOTOR RECAP
OK. This is all secondhand info, which I why I hesistated to post anything publicly. I'll keep speculation and commentary to a minimum. Thurs night- Motor A few undercover police officers, accompanied by undercover channel 4 news, were able to buy GHB (or roofies aka date rape drug) from a third party (as far as I know) dealer inside Motor's premises. There was a story on Channel 4. Why is it always channel 4? Anybody remember 1515 (I think that was 7, actually, but then I think it was 4 that came back for Whirlygig, but in its quest to outdo, Fox did Crave the Rave just the past year - argh.) I hate how some poeple cna make you feel like you have to cover up your actions like you are actually doing somthing evil (no comment on GHB, just dancing to techno) My 2 (rubbed bald) cents J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Know Whey Maaan..
It all comes down to supply annd demand baby. Like why are double packs almost twice the price of a single EP? Or is this just the U.K.?? Really!! or why are 12 beats records twice the price of any other 12 ?? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Knecht
(313) EBTG
Not really 313 related, but I just gotta say that the new(ish) Everthing But the Girl album is smooth like butta. Sweet house grooves that I'm dying to drop on a Sunday Morn. Oh, yeah, and my apologies for my diaretic 313 use today. Spring Fever makes it very hard to concentrate on work. =) J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) HELP, please..
I'd agree with this, with a few monumental exceptions, but these are definitely the exceptions to the rule. Speaking of intimate spaces, I've never been ther myself, but isn't the Tresor club extremely limited in space? Spaller spaces keep the energy of a room concentrated - you just need the right kind of energy. J. I'm asking because to me, the best events are the little intimate ones, and I'd consider 150 people to be about the upper limit of intimate. If you're drawing enough people to pay your guests cover your costs, your venue isn't too big, and your prime focus is to keep doing a quality event, stick with it! -- Knecht
Re: (313) The way back machine
About a year and a half ago, as a radio host, I recieved a promo CD which was called white horse and was the same song redone by an artist called Kumagai if I'm not mistaken. The label was V-Wax (not to be confused with esteemed techno label V-Max), maybe from Cali or in the south - I'd have to dig through old press releases to be sure. In hindsight, it seemed to be a move similar to the Jaguar fiasco - the artist, while at least mentioning Laid Back in the liner notes, claimed that he was not biting the original artist(s), as it was a cover version - the track was rerecorded, not sampled. Just like Jaguar. There were 6 different mixes, in different styles. Most in my opinion most were tastelessly abusing the original version (remembering the terrible d'n'b attempt), but 1 mix (maybe it was the classic mix) sounded almost *exactly* like Laid Back's original and I also enjoyed The speed garage mix, which sampled heavily from one of the tracks on Juan Atkins excellent WaxTrax MasterMix - either Lara's theme by BJ Robson (Paper) or an adjacent track in the mix. All artistic ethics aside, and on a strictly aesthetic level, I liked it. It was a total rip-off, but it was pretty accurate. If I ever saw the original, of course I would snag it, but I don't think it is available, so this CD gets popped in every once in a while as the next best thing. Sidenote: Patrick Russell, who is probably the best unknown HOUSE (read: the deep, funky, thick, soulfull sh*t) DJ in Detroit, will also drop this (the original-that is)from time to time. J. The release was a 6-track CD with various mixes in different styles - If I remember correctly, it was the speed garage mix that It's White Horse by Laid Back. The lyric is actually don't ride the white horse, the white horse being cocaine. Carlos Souffront drops this jam occasionally, if you're lucky enough to see him spin. Bill / dj marathon The Deliverator wrote: Hello again, Since you guys were so good on the whole let there be house thing, perhaps you can help me out again? I promise it won't be too painful. Way way way back, oh say about 1984-1985 or so, WJLB used to play a track th at I must own. It's sampled in an RB track that's out at the moment. Anyway, the lyrics go if you wanna ride, ride the white horse. This song was huge bac k then, and most everyone I know has heard it, but no one knows who did it or wh at the title is. Sorry for yet another track id, but hey, who else can i ask? :-) thanks and love, jim -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org -- Knecht
(313) FYI: TP in Lansing 3/5
For anyone interested, Terrance Parker is schelduled to play in Lansing at Alpha in Lansing this weekend. Info is (517) 482 9544 J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Detroit Hip-Hop
Can't verify, but I have heard that ICP and Esham are playing this Sunday at the State in Detroit, accompanied by everyone's favorite Sandwhich makers, the all of a sudden ubiquitous Detroit Grand Pubas! J. ..i read a good article with eshaam(sp?)in the source where he mentioned that they have created a new style called acid rap which focuses on putting out alot of releases all the time..he also mentioned the fact that every hip hopper that made it from detroit is white and how this really made him mad..does anyone know more about him and what he does..i once was shown where he lives and stuff on a small excursion stateside but never really got to hear much of the stuff he is made of.. ..cheers.. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) Detroit Hip Hip Buddhist monks?
but that could change as he is reportedly going 'rock' next time. One bit of trivia- I'm not sure where the name Slum Village comes from, but I suspect that it may be related to a Buddhist Retreat center in rural France run by Thich Nhat Hanh. Its name? Plum Village. H. J I reckon Slum Village may yet blow up - the vibe on their (unreleased) album is amazing. They have already had feature reviews in the UK. Given that even great acts like The Roots (from Philly) are getting their dues at long last (which is wonderful!) there is hope yet for Slum Village and other credible hip-hoppers from Detroit. -- Knecht
(313) from 313 to Detroit to St. Germain
Okay, while it is still relatively on topic (although considering the title I guess it always will be), I have a few questions about Navarre's (sp?) album From Detroit to St. Germain. 1. Are there more than one version of this? (single album vs. double album to be specific). I ask because when I called a shop in Chicago (Gramaphone, I think) I was quoted a price over $30, but on cdnow it is listed as $17+. 2. Has/will this be pressed on vinyl? I've been trying to get my hands on this release for some time and now I'm about to resort to e-commerce. Much rather purchase it from a local shop, but so far to no avail. While I'm at it, I think I'll try to get the new Garnier, based on the glowing comments on this list. I'm just assuming that that one's gonna be out on vinyl Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. J. -- Knecht
(313) transmat in Next Friday
Here's a bit of useless cinema trainspotting for ya's. If you go to see the movie Next Friday (and I wouldn't recommend it. Chris Tucker made Friday, and he's not in this) keep your eyes on the record store door during the scenes at pinky's records. There are two close-up shots, in the first you can spot a Liquid Sky sticker and a modulations (the movie) sticker, and the second time you a slightly wider view and at the bottom of the screen in plain view is an Innovator sticker from d. may's transmat release. Probably my favorite thing about the whole movie...except the vacuum scene. ;) J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) Epic Techno
T. Churchill wrote Kenny Larkin - Without Sound techno mix. (which I have lost This track is a masterpiece... any one have an idea of where i might get a copy - willing to pay in blood / pound of flesh... Is this another mix of Yennek's 'Without' (from the Art of Dance comp on Distance)? When did it come out, and on what label? I've heard Rolando play it (or what I assume to be it - the same spoken vocal anyway) but didn't know if it had ever been officially released... OK, I don't know the official story, but here's what I do know. I picked up a 12 at Record Time probably late 95 with the Art of Dance/Aveda (anyone else ever notice that?) logo on the center sticker and no He told me other info. i believe it was one sided. I'm not positive because some sucker ripped it out of my crate some 2 years ago. It features the same vocal as the House mix on the artifacts CD, but this version is much longer, a bit faster and the music is totally different. Its big, (but not high energy), hazy, building and receding techno. I only saw it in the shop once. I asked Kenny about it when I saw him last Christmas because I ND another copy of that. and he told me he didn't even have one. It would be such a great record to play at one of those peak emotional moments in a set. Giving props to Derrick and Kevin and Juan and all that. I like that big stuff. I used to like to bring it in underneath richie's mix of 777's Astral Dreams and take it back out when Astral Dreams really starts to go crazy at the end. Here's what I can do. I do know where a copy of this record exists - in my friends crate. I'll see if he wants to let me borrow it and I'll try to post it on the web. If that happens I will post the relevant information This is one of my favorite tracks ever, so I'll do my best for you guys and gals. J. : tom churchill :: :: headspace recordings :: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: 07976 898514 : -- Knecht
Re: (313) music that moved me in 1999
Britney Spears- Baby One More Time[Video] HERE HERE!! Mr. Linder i commend you for your fine taste in bubblegum pop video. To Ms. Spears!!! J. um, anybody heard the new Mike Ink on Vinyl Countdown? -- Knecht
