[313] man we are ALL geeks
At 12:51 PM 5/4/2002, you wrote: >I would believe that alot of comic book/superhero fans are into Techno or >may have played a role in the creation of Techno music because of the >fantasy and romanticism of superheros and the pining for space travel and >anything to do with Futurism. So in that sense, I'm not surprised. >Actually I think its cool. :-) Man, that has GOT to be the "geekiest" possible responce anyone could have added to that thread ;) Thought I'm not one to talk, I have a load of sports cards and comic books in my basement not to mention may old interestes of star trek, douglas adams, and issiac asimov books. By the way, someone mentioned that michael keaton was the last to get the superhero thing right, I beg to differ. While he was a decent batman (thought i still think they should have gotten someone younger) he was a lousy Bruce Wayne. Part of what makes batman batman is his whole dual nature thing. Playboy Millionaire Pimp by day and dark mysterious detective by night. (see what I mean about being a geek?) Anyways this was my quarterly post to this list, so while i am at it i must mention that I WONT be at teh DEMF this year, as I realized today that I wont get back from greece till the 30th :( So rave one wihtout me. -christos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
who stole the soul?
> The reason people are not coming to the club anymore is because detroit > is not making music that is so vibrant and irresistible that people feel > they need to be at our gigs. Detroit needs to go back to Deep Space and > bring something back that is so out there that people will go nuts for > it. I dont know, i have to disagree. Everytime I start thinking that Detroit Techno has become monotonous, and following the same old patterns, I see something, or hear something that totally reminds me why I am proud to be a Detroiter. For example, the first time I heard "jaguar," the first time I saw T-1000 spin, the first time I heard Red Planet, the first time I heard "Changes of Life," Kevin Sandurson's last set at Motor- I was moved and inspired on different levels each time. I knew Detroit had not only the rich musical History, but has the abilty to progress, and make music that can not only be appreciated by Ekko Thugs, and Kandi Kids, but by Detroits own Techno elitists. Also keep in mind that there are hunderds of thousands of kids in the Detroit are and millions across the world who know nothing about our music, and once they are exposed to it, are completely changed. To some of us, this "old school" sound is still completly new, and we cant get enough of it. One of the reasons why I am so into the music here though is its great diversity. Just look at labels like Transmat, Planet E, Underground Resistance, Axis, Pure Sonik, Minus, Red Planet, Direct Beat, 430 West, Purpose Maker etc. There are a good 4 or 5 differnt styles of Electronic Music right there, but due to the fact that they are all made in Detroit, we just call them all "techno." Our music is always evolving and constantly changing yet still keeping that soul, that funk that this town was built on. Sorry if this comes off as too cheesey, but this is a debate I constanty get in with trance and house fans, so its easy for me to just rant. -christos
DEMF 2001
While we are on the subjectI know it is waaay early, but is there any news about the next event? Like lineups, any changes, etc --- Christos Michalakis 734.332.1256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
track id...
Kevin Saunderson Live@ proper in PGH, 10 minutes into the set. Anyone have any idea what track that is? THanks in advance. --- Christos Michalakis "If you want to kiss the sky, you better learn how 734.332.1256 to kneel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Paul Hewson ---
rolando too good for us?
> My only point is- i heard that he is only taking european bookings. To > me, that seems rather That is not true. He is doing a gig in Detroit at teh Magestik (sp?) Theater on Devils night with Theo Parrish and DJ Bone. For some reason, Bone is listed as the headliner, and Rolando is billed third. It was funny, the inital ad, called him "DJ Roland" from "Underground Recordings." > 1) elitist and snobby Why? Knights of the Jaguar and Revenge of the Jaguar have been out here in the US for a while, and no one really cared except those really down with the music. Now that the track is big in the UK, why are you so eager to book him? > 3) pretty much agaisnt their whole political manifesto. (for example, > i saw a copy of the jaguar remixes at a local store, with this big > byline on it that stated to not buy their records in chain stores, blah > blah blah never supported underground music blah blah blah mom and > pop are better blah blah blah.. my question is- THEn why the hell > are you selling them there? you can control your distrubution! > its about money! Actually, Underground Resistance is probably the last label concerned about money. For YEARS they have kept a very low profile, and the fact taht you saw thier record at a LOCAL record store, as oppose to a large chain, shows how effective Mad Mike's distribution comapny "Submerge" has been. You do not understand how amazing it is that UR can distribute on an international level, and still keep such a low profile. As for the whole Universal Records thing, I think no one know how big that song would get. I have yet to hear someone listen to that song and not think that it is great. Here at college, a lot of trance and prog. house fanatics love that song, and have since become very eager to learn more about Detroit's techno history. If Rolando and UR actually make a few bucks, more power to them. I'd rather give them money, then that bastard Okenfold who actually thinks that he is the cause of dance music's popularity in the United States. -christos
Acacia Records (fwd)
I just purchased K Hand's "Art of Music" CD, and I have not taken it out of my CD player. Submerge's website does not have much of Acacia Records' stuff in thier catalog, does anyone know where I can order some K Hand tracks, if Acacia has a website, or where I can find any other info? THanks in advance. -christos
Can Promoters & DJs resolve their differences? (fwd)
I am sorry to hear what happened, but I am curiousis that the same Carl who is behind "One World Productions" and "ABC Prodctions?" IF so, I have heard nothing but bad things about him. For the record, he was the "mastermind" behind the failed "Right to Dance" rally held in Detroit earlier last month. --- Christos Michalakis "If you want to kiss the sky, you better learn how 734.332.1256 to kneel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Paul Hewson ---
paper
Some of you may remember that I am writting a paper on media conglomerates trying to sell unerground music/culture, and that I am trying to get as much information as I can about the UR vs. Sony case. I know that this has been asked recently, and I apologize for that, but can anyone tell me who officially produced the fake Jaguar, what label it is currently on, and where I can find information about it, including an mp3 of it? Thanks in advance and hit me up privatly if necessary. -christos
submerge....
Does anyone know when the new website will be up, and when they will be opening thier new offices? just curious. thanks in advance. --- Christos Michalakis "If you want to kiss the sky, you better learn how 734.332.1256 to kneel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Paul Hewson ---
jaguar paper...
If anyone is interested, I have a rough draft (only a rough draft) of my Jaguar paper on my website www-personal.umich.edu/~michalak Check it out if you want, and I encourage feedback, both positive and negative. --- Christos Michalakis "If you want to kiss the sky, you better learn how 734.332.1256 to kneel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Paul Hewson ---
did we influence....trance?
Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like "Paul Okenfold sucks," "Epic trance is cheese," and "Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' right here!" have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking about all things electronic. However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as "trance." I own all three of those records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would probably be considered "trance" (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, as UR defines techno as... "a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of the human race" however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. -christos
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
> We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: > > > I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want > > rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin > > noises. Please, dont get me wrong, I couldn't even tell you the name of a single trance producer, its just that I know some trance freaks that think it is this "new" thing, when in reality, Detroit was maknig music like this many years ago. It is evident that we did have some sort of influence on this genre, though when we did it (or something like it) it was actually good. This facinates me, because it is part of my quest to figure out why so many people who are into electronic music in Detroit cannot grasp the fact that Detroit produces some of the worlds finest electronic music. -christos
not black enough...
> I agree. Our music isn't "black" enough. It's too fast, there's no > rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not "urban" enough. House is too > "gay". I have stopped worrying about it. If I was waiting to get paid > from negroes, I'd be living under the overpass on I-75 and Mack. Or > living in a refrigerator box like my man Jean-Michel Basquiat. This is something that really bothers me. Although I am white (or caucasian, or whatever) , I think that cultural diversity and a strong black influence are what make Detroits music excell. Think about this- how many cheesy trance djs or happy hardcore djs are black? Without the black influence, or any cultural influence on dance music, the music becomes bland, boring, and lame. One reason behind this, is that 90% of Americans think that "techno" or electronic music in general is a European thing. The mainstream music industry adapts to such a belief and markets thier product of dance music to a white audience. Its amazing how well this works, for even when you have an alleged "underground rave scene" which has grown nationwide, yet still attracts a largely white suburban audience- despite the fact that the music originated in Black communities, and despite the fact that "ravers" cling to that stupid, hypocritical slogan "PLUR." Market segmentation, audience building, and stereotyping are very sucessful tools used by the media coroporations. To be able to go agianst the current black musician stereotype is VERY difficult. The media has burned in the minds of America's youth that black culture is all about "chillin in the ghetto," and sex. A lot of these racist stereotypes have been around for hundreds of years. The current "pimp" stereotype of a black man is very insulting and dangerous as it is reminicent of the old stereotype of black men as sexual preditors. It was this stereotype that slowed the growth of early rock and roll, as parents were scared that thier young, teenage daughters were idolizing Black men. I recall Mos Def once saying that in the media, whenever you see a white "pimp" they are always running legal businesses, and they are always referred to as "businessmen" with a very professional appeareance. Black "pimps" however are always fitting the same stereotype, and are often linked with sexual violence. Sorry about this rant, I can go on about this forever. It just scares me that dance music MIGHT fall down the same path as rock, r'n'b, etc. It is already heading that way with trance. -christos
detroittechno.com
Does anyone know what is up with the people who bought detroittechno.com detroittechno.net, and detroittechno.org? (all three are owned by the same people i think). Like what do they plan on putting on there? -christos
Jaguar paper
This is the last email about it I swear (and sorry for any cross posts), but the final draft of my Jaguar UR/Sony/BMG paper is up and on the web, along with all of my sources. If you read the rough draft, I did not add much, just a little bit about content commodification. Oh yeah, and the URL is www-personal.umich.edu/~michalak. Please feel free to email me any feedback if you read it. -christos
demf
Someone posted some Detroit links for demf travelers, I just wanted to add
one: www.metrotimes.com. They have info on like restaurants, and other
things of interest in the D. Or if you want to see that "Alternative
Visitors Guide" check out http://www.metrotimes.com/AVG/2000/default.htm
Also, according to www.kmsproductions.com, it says that Kevin is booked
for the DEMF. *shrug*
As for hotels, while the Ponchterain (sp?) and the RenCen (which is a
Marriot I believe) are by far the closest, but there is the "Courtyard By
Marriott which is right across the street, the Athenium isnt that far
(though more expensive I think), and does anyone know if the Greektown
Casino has a hotel? I would assume that casinos might be a bit cheaper
but I am not sure with these casinos.
-christos
random questions....
Okay... ...did anyone else hear that Blake Baxter was supposed to spin at the Rhythm Cafe this saturday? Am I making things up? Can anyone confirm this? If so, then I will be in trouble, cause Life 3 is also this weekend... ...has anyone heard the new Purpose Maker release, Jet Set (pm-12) yet? Any comments? I havent seen it in any stores yet, nor can I find any mp3s... ...anyone know when the new www.submerge.com will be ready? Just curious -christos
a couple of questions....
1. I saw on www.globaltechnonation.com that Blake Baxter was a drummer for Nitzer Ebb?? All music didnt confirm this though. Sorry if this was already discussed. 2. What was the address for DEMF submissions? Isnt it just Planet-E's mailing address? 3. Isnt Somewhere In Detroit moving? People were talking about it being open during the DEMF, but I thought it was moving closer to the Grand Circus Park area. Anyone know when it will be open? thanks in advance
New Aztec Mystic???
On 430 West's site, under Rolando's Discography, they list "The Z Tracks" under his latest releases. The catalog numbers are URTZ-001, 002, 003. What is this all about? Are these upcommin (or already out) releases? Does anyone know anything about this? ---- Christos Michalakis 734.332.1256[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
12' id
Basic Channel 09 Both sides. Thanks in Advance Christos Michalakis 734.332.1256[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
Before you dis Moby....
I can honestly say that I do not know much about Moby's music, but his last interview in a recent URB definately caught my eye. Check out these quotes. The first one was a responce on what he thought of Hip Hop now and then: "...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno being made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why when I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to N.W.A.?" Believe it or not, even though he is mainstream, he was still influenced by the Detroit pioneers. To be honest, I dont think it will be a horrible thingif he gets booked. He will attract a lot of people, maybe even more out of towners, and i doubt that they will show up for his set and leave, refusing to expose themselves to that "313 stuff." I mean last year on the main stage on the last night, the line up was Kevin Saunderson, Rolando, Derrick May, and Richie Hawtin. How can you ever expect to come close to that every year without rehashing the same lineup? ---- Christos Michalakis 734.730.4297[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
Okay, like I couldnt tell you the names of like 3 moby songs. I dont listen to his music, i dont know anything about him, and I certainly dont hate him. I dont know enough about what he does or the music he makes to pass judgement on him. I have no reason to go out and buy his records, nor do i have any reason to diss him and such. Its just that i saw that quote in URB, and thought it was list relevant. APparently, he has a lot of conflicting quotes, so maybe that quote was not as relavant as I persumed. I'm sorry. Now...has anyone heard the new Dreamsequence cd? I picked up the 12 inch tre 159, and I really dig the "Work Dat Body," but I hear the full cd has gotten good reviews. Anyone confirm? > Moby should pull his head out of his ass... hip-hop was great in the early > 90's! There was more than just gangsta rap around. That's the problem with > his all-or-nothing sways. He did the same thing with techno and dance music > in the mid-90s when he thought all of it was going the way of Aphex Twin. He > started listening to the "Seattle Sound" and so he attempted to make a > punk/grundge record. It failed and his agent told him to get back to making > music that his fans liked so he did. He will deny this though. I've seen > quotes a-pleanty from him saying that he was leaving techno because he > thought it was stagnent. He can try to deny it and say that his words are > being twisted around but after seeing a letter _from him to URB magazine_ > saying why he was leaving dance music his denial of it just doesn't stand up > anymore. Moby changes to please. That's why I don't consider Moby techno. > Techno does not compromise. Pop aims to please.
techno, house, etc.
Okay, ultiamtely, I like to think of techno and house as more of adjitives (sp?) then categories, but I think that though the two can be VERY similar, I think that if you must use them as genres, there is a difference. I think that the main difference is in the feeling behind a track. House tends to be a bit more happyier, more optimistic, etc. I often tease my househead friends by saying that every single house song has the theme "everything is going to be alright." But ultimately, I think that house is more centered on upbeat optimisim. Techno, on the other hand has a different feeling to it. I think the best discription I have ever heard of techno was "dark, but celebratory." Techno can be dark, at times even angry, while other times quite happy, and almost alyways energetic. Take for example "Waveform Transmissions Vol. 1" by Jeff Mills. "Phase 4" is VERY aggressive, dark, etc; while "Changes of Life" is more warm, happy, and joyous. Do I make any sense or do I sound rediculous? ---- Christos Michalakis 734.730.4297[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
first mix
If memory serves me right, dont they show a dj mixing disco records on Saturday Night Fever? I thought I remember closeups of the dj working a mixer, though I dont think he beatmatched or anything. Christos Michalakis 734.730.4297[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
track id....
...stacey pullen live at DEMF part 2, first three tracks. Christos Michalakis 734.730.4297[EMAIL PROTECTED] "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no 8-mile like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city, it'd be about the same to me" -Uncle Kracker
silly question....
...I know I should know this but was it: 430 West Grand Blvd -or- 430 West Grand River? thanks in advance -- Christos Michalakis President Hellenic Students Association a: 701 E. Kingsley #3. A^2 MI. 48104 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 734.730.4297 aol im: Zagori98 - "I like techno...it makes me spunky" -Lissa Pocze --
another question...
...from Rick Wilhite's bio on beatdownsounds.com: As a Producer, Remixer and now owner and CEO of VIBES Music, a record and CD store specializing in House, Deep House, Disco, Rare Groove, Mixed Cds, Hip Hop, Jazz and Old School Classics, Is this store in Detroit? Is it still open?
DEMF vs. Woodstock
(313kids, I sent this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and thought that you guys might be interested to, if you are as bored as I am.) Someone posted eralier about comparing the two events. Here is what I think of the two (let me know if this format fucks up): DEMFWoodstock Attendence: 1.5 million (though this500,000 was the 3 day total, so like if you went 3 days you were counted twice. I believe on the last day alone though, the count was 750,000, so like we know that at least that many DIFFERENT people were there) Location: Heart Plaza: Detroit, MISome farm: Bethel, NY The Crowd:To quote a DPD officer, Hippies. "this crowd is soo cool diffrent: and its the most diverse I have ever seen." (we all remember the old lady getting down to James Brown, and the dude with the jesus sign, that was boppin to the beats) Music:Electronic Music: the MOST Rock, and shitty folk: Not even popular music IN THE WORLD the most popular music in the US (RnB is now #1) as its popularity is RAPIDLY declining in most of the western world (and never really got *that* popular in the rest of the world). Though it was THE music of that generation. # o' artists: 70 32 importance: The first ever large scale Taken from a woodstock site*: event that, celebrates the "True believers call Woodstock worlds most popular musicthe capstone of an era devoted in the city where it all to human advancement. Cynics began. Also the first time say it was a fitting, that the city of Detroit rediculous end to an era of had a large scale cultural naivete. Then there are those event that had blacks, who say it was just a hell of a whites, hispanics, rich, party...For four days, the site poor, homosexual, hetero,became a countercultural mini- suburban, inner city, blue nation in which minds were collar, white collar, etc. open, drugs were all but legal partying TOGETHER (this is and love was 'free.'" a BIG DEAL for Detroit, as well as an odd occurence in the US in general). Drugs:Drugs were there, but open Have you ever heard a Woodstock usage was not very commonstory that wasnt about drugs? (sorry this is turning into a "its all about the music y0!" post) * source: http://www.discoverynet.com/~barnes/wsrprnt1.htm Basically, I think that Woodstock *might* have been the biggest event in the states, though its significance and influence is decrasing at rapid rates. As a HUGE fan of rock (especially Metal) and blues, I can honestly say that in the last few years, Rock And Roll is DYING. The alternative explosion in the early 90s was very cool, as the counterculture of rock resurfaced but recently, pop, rNb, and commercial rap and hip hop have been FAR more commerically sucessful. Electronic dance music, on the other hand, can be heard in just about every somewhat developed country in the world, and is continuing to grow. The significance of a HUGE electronic music event on a global scale is far more significant than a rock equivalent, ESPECIALLY when you factor in the fact that the event was located at the city of the music's birth. (Rock was "born" in cleveland btw.) I'm just ranting now, arent I? Sorry. I am bored at work. -- Christos Michalakis President Hellenic Students Association a: 701 E. Kingsley #3. A^2 MI. 48104 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 734.730.4297 aol im: Zagori98 - "I like deep, dark techno... ...it makes me spunky" -Lissa Pocze --
SFX
Okay, I am bored, and am doing some research on Laura concerns. SFX is owned by Clear Channel Communications, which is based out on San Antonio. It is actually Clear Channel that owns that shit load of radio stations. In Detroit, they own WDFN-AM WJLB-FM WKQI-FM WLLC-FM WMXD-FM WNIC-FM and WXDX-AM. To see what they own in your town go to http://www.cjr.org/owners/clearchannel.asp Though that address is only a US listing of what they own. Clear Channel is also an advertising GIANT. They own radio, as well as billboards and other outdoor advertising media all over THE WORLD. Basically, they are an international company's dream. With just one advertiser, you can communicate you ad around the globe. Pretty efficient. As for SFX, I mean there is not much that has not already been said about them. They do events around the world and in Detroit, promote events at the Palace and the State. (www.sfx.com) I have no idea what this means for the DEMF, but I just thought that I'd share this information, since I am bored and dont feel like studying. -c
[313] another Carl Craig article
On the FRONT PAGE of the Detroit News today: http://www.detroitnews.com/2001/entertainment/0105/16/a01-224860.htm I think that action is necessary. Nothing too militant, or extreeme, but i think that we need to show pop culture media, that we want Carl Craig to stay. The email and phone numbers have been posted (what the hell, I'll post it again: email- [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 313.392.9200). Tell them that you are upset. Furthermore, I totally thinks that the tshirt idea is awesome. "Carol Marvin is a bitch" might be extreeme, but I'm thinking something like "No Carl = No DEMF" or "Keep Carl" or whatever. I think signs are a good idea too. Especially when Marvin goes on stage to give little speeches between sets. Think about it, every time Carol Marvin pops her head out on stage to give some pep talk, wouldnt it be great if people started booing her, or chanting in support of carl? That would give her the right message. Seeing as how just about every news souce that has run this story has been either in support of Craig or at least neutral, I think that if we are vocal enough, we will see change. ------ Christos Michalakis President Hellenic Students Association a: 701 E. Kingsley #3. A^2 MI. 48104 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 734.730.4297 aol im: Zagori98 - "I like deep, dark techno... ...it makes me spunky" -Lissa Pocze -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Essential Jeff Mills?
I suggest the following: Mecca (Axis I htink #8), The Purpose Maker (I tink Axis 11 or 12, not to be confused with his label of the same name), Kat Moda (Purpose Maker 3, this is the record with "the Bells") These three are my favroite, though I really like AX-001 "The Tranquilzer EP", and his latest release "UFO". There is a lot of other good stuff too, i suggest listening to them all if you have a chance. -- Christos Michalakis President Hellenic Students Association a: 701 E. Kingsley #3. A^2 MI. 48104 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 734.730.4297 aol im: Zagori98 - "Do I think I'm cool? I don't know. I know that I am for real." -John Lee Hooker 1918-2001 -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action????
> I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did > with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label > and artist and all of their products, encouraging > others to do so along the way... That's the way I see > it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. Just so you all know, Sony owns about 40 or 50 record labels world wide, the largest being Epic and Colombia (with about 20 sublabels under them). I have been researching thier company and can post all the labels they own. Furthermore, I assume this boycott goes beyond sony music. It should also include a boycott of Playstation, thier electronics and the other companies they own like Awia, sony pictures (which means no 28 days, Center Stage, Hollow Man, Loser, or the Patroit not to mention Godzilla 2000, Final Fantasy and Charlie's Angels which are comming soon), a boycott of all movies and tv produced by Columbia Tristar (Riki Lake, Days of Our Lives, Donie and Marie, Dawson's Creek, and the Young and the Restless), the Game Show Network, and Pay Per View. Keep this in mind when watching TV and when buying electronic equptment (not to mention computer equiptment). When going to the movies (to see non-Sony related movies of course) make sure to avoid any theaters owned by Loews Cineplex, as they are part of Sony. If you live in San Fran, avoid the Metreon, and in New York City avoid the Technology Museum. Its really scary to see how powerful sony is. The thing is though, if we do an effective boycott of Sony because of the immitation Jaguar, in order for it to be effective it would have to be on a larger level. That would mean that the song would lose some of its "underground" status. Just something to consider.
richie
Hey, that Richie thing Sept. 3rd was delayed, right? People are starting to talk thinking its still happening htat day. -- -Christos Michalakis - 734.332.1256 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 701 E. Kingsley --
UR vs. Sony
I am a communications student at u of m and this semester for a class I have to write a 12-15 page research paper, with focus on a major media conglomerate. I spoke to my professor and asked him if I could use Underground Resistance Vs. Sony as a topic for my paper. He was a bit familiar with the case, and said that it would be a good topic as long as it was not a law paper, with simply a case analysis. I have decided that I want to compare and contrast the two companies (including Submerge when talking about UR), have an in-depth analysis of the case, and then focus on copyrights in music, etc. Maybe even talk about media conglomerates attempting to commercialize underground culture. To do this I need well documented sources, and I would like to contact UR themselves. Obviously I will search the University Databasses for and articles published in communications journals, but I doubt that I will come up with much information. Does anyone know of good resources about this case, and how to contact the right people at UR? Thank you for your time and for your help. -- -Christos Michalakis - 734.332.1256 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 701 E. Kingsley --
thank you
Thank you all who responded to my pleas for help with my research paper. As I have told some of you privately, the paper isn't due untill December, but since I will not be using usual sources, I need to start making contacs soon. I think my topic will be something like mainstream media conglomerates attempting to sell underground culture, and use "Knights of the Jaguar" as my prime example of this. Furthermore, I want to compare and contrast Underground Resistance and Submerge with Sony Records and Sony Records Distribution. I will put my research paper on line when its finished and will post the URL to this list. Thanks again everyone, for without your help, I would have no idea where to start. -- -Christos Michalakis - 734.332.1256 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 701 E. Kingsley --
[313] pirate radio
Tuesday.March 12.2002. Pirate Radio at Boogie Fever. DJ T-1000 [Pure Sonik] Mike Huckaby [Harmonie Park] T.Linder [Deep Heat Detroit] 18+.$3.00 Boogie Fever 22901 Woodward Ave. Ferndale. Michigan. USA. [1 block North of 9 Mile. Approx 1 Mile South of I-696] - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nr: german radio
My roomate was woundering if there are any GOOD German radio stations that you can listen to on line through REAL Audio. They dont have to be electronic music related, but if anyone knows of any sites, feel free to send me the URL privately. THanks in advance. - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
groovetech
Every time I try to watch the DEMF footage on Groovetech every 5 seconds it stops with net conjestion. Is my computer just shitty, or does everyone have this problem? - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
turntables
I was just wounderingdoes anyone in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area have any turntables they want to get rid of? - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
Re: [313] re: All this Trance vs Detroit Techno shizzza
While we are on the subject of redicilous off topic questions, What is the meaning of life? What is the "self?" What is love? What is the definition of a "musician?" Look man, if you don't know what techno is, what 313 is (and I dont mean the list) and its relation to techno, if oyu don't know how you can "feel music with your brain," etc. then you are on the wrong list. I don't know what encouraged you to join, but if I were you, I'd unsuscribe. I apologize for adding even more fuel to the fire. -christos On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Dustin A Sledgianowski wrote: > yes but the truth of the matter is that if NOONE can give an exact > definition of techno then how can techno be an exact form of music?? > dustin > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:41:30 -0400 "Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > you have too much time on your hands! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dustin A Sledgianowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:51 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [313] re: All this Trance vs Detroit Techno shizzza > > > > > > that is the point - how can you feel music with your head? i dont > > get it > > isnt the head for thinking? how do you feel music with your head - > > ooh i > > am feeling the brainwaves in my music > > dustin > > > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:34:58 -0400 Roberto Ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > > I couldn't agree more. That's what I love about it and that's what > > > > > this > > > list is about, so Dustin end the insanity please. I have always > > felt > > > that Detroit Techno was more "heady" music than other forms of > > > electronic music, like Trance. This is not a dis on that music, > > just > > > a > > > stated preference. > > > > > > Dale, > > > Finally picked up Ion and totally enjoyed it. Keep it up man. Also > > > enjoyed your performance at the DEMF. > > > > > > Dale Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll make this short and sweet: > > > > > > > > Trance is candy-coated, for candy-coated cities. > > > > Detroit is not a candy-coated city. > > > > Detroit Techno is (usually ;) not fluff. > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
This isn't really that 313 related, but > "Here is your music, loo what we can do with it, and, you're missing out > on it." Kind of like what the Beatles and the Rolling Stones did with > blues..another black American art form. Actually, it was Led Zepplin and many other British bands (even Black Sabbath) who took blues to a new level. The Beatles and Rolling Stones did amazing new things with with rock and roll. It is often forgotten that rock started as urban black music, as Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, etc were the innovators of that sound. It was harshly rejected by the mainstream white audience initially, only to be loved by the British. It is kinda wierd, but it seems as though whenever black americans create a new, amazing genre of music, whether its jazz, blues, rock, or techno- it is often rejected by the mainstream American audience, but well accepted by various European audiences. Just goes to show you how far we have progressed, huh? -christos
Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone'
Um, again, I apologize that this message focuses on rock more than techno, so if you aren't interested, then delete. > If that is how you truly feel, then please "progress" to another mailing > list. You and the smart guy in the message below this one are obviously very > angry non-americans. Actually, I am from Detroit, Michigan. Although I have lived briefly in other countries for short periods of time, I am an American. Living abroad however, has given me an opprotunity to see American society from a foreigners perspective. > as far as blues and rock goes, you need to maybe take > AMERICAN history and learn that not only was blues and ragtime and rock > WIDELY accepted by american audiences when they were created, they also > started revolutions for the times. Although I am not a expert on America's history of rock, I do know that one reason why rock had a hard time catching on outside of younger crowds was the fact that many of the musicians were black. Parents were outraged at the fact that thier daughters were not only listening to, but idolizing older black musicians. It wasn't untill Elvis came along that society in general came to accept it. I am sure that similiar problems occurred with techno in Detroit and the rest of the US, (keep in mind that I am not very old school, and I would appreciate feedback on this) except rather than get upset that thier daughter was idolizing black musicians, they might have rejected the idea of leaving the sanitized suburbs and going to the inner city to hear these musicians perform. > But I find it appauling that you can type these ridiculous comments > without knowing anything about america. You are right, maybe I should take a communications course at a major university taught by a world-reknown professor, whose area's of expertise include the history of music or something. *Then* I will know what I am talking about. -christos
warped
I know that this has been discussed before, but I have some slightly warped vinyl. How can I flatten it? Thanks in advance. - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
chicago?
Does anyone know of any good record stores in Chicago? Thanks in advance. - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
Re: [313] bad E
Actually if you guys are interested in drugs and such, there is a Detroit Chapeter of Rave Safe (of which I am a member). Our URL has got a ton of info and I think pill results from Detroit parties. The site is www.ravesafe.org/detroitpeace - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley - On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Otto Koppius wrote: > dj trademark wrote: > > > > Hey 313er's, > > This may have already made it around the list, but just to be safe, > > > > > >> >> > White clovers contain DXM ! > > > >> >> > www.dancesafe.org/dxm.html > > > >> >> > ((Potentially SERIOUSLY DEADLY WHEN COMBINED WITH MDMA)) > [snip] > > Everyone: please don't turn this into a drugs=good/bad thread... > Just take it for what it is, an announcement, and move on. > > Otto > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Revolution to Change
What I would like to see in a website, or any collaboration of uniting the underworld of 313, is like an international guide. For example, let just say I want to go to London and wanna know where the cool shops are, which clubs are good, and which are chessey- I just consult the 313 global underground guide and all that information is listed. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley - On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, JavierDrada wrote: > Here is my small bit of vision: > > We Organize an Underground Network > We Set a webpage template that everyone who has a site can add this page to > it. > This page will be linked to various sites that can host bits of the big > network. > We publish reviews and Underground News on the net through our Network and > on land through publications > We make it a simple black and white publication that we can download as a > pdf file or something and we can print ourselves internationally. > We distribute the material ourselves all over the world > We create standard stickers and War Pamphlets > We organize for the next Winter Music Conference and have our voices heard. > We set up chapters throughout the globe who will also organize and > distribute Underground Propaganda > We combine as one global power steal the United Nations symbol and make it > United Underground Alliance! > > Now take these ideas and lets make something, post your own ideas and > contribution and lets get to work, this project is huge, and time is not on > our side. > > j.d. > > http://www.undergroundcommittee.com > > 504.837.4783 tel > 504.553.5628 tel > 504.553.5627 fax > > Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com > > Home of Detroit Influence & Reflections > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
share...vari
I understand that often times "sharevari" is often stated as the "first" detroit techno song. I know it was recorded in 1981, about a year before the first Cybotron release. My question is, is it accurate to call it the first "techno" song? More importantly, what ever happened to "a number of names?" Did they put out many more tracks? I am curious because that is one of my favroite tracks, but I was also under the impression that techno began with "the 3 guys from Belleville" story. (and kraftwerk, and chicago house). - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
Re: [313] share...vari
> I guess this is going to go to a long and painful thread on what _is_
> techno.
>
> oh well, here we go again.
Yeah, I figured that this list probably gets this question a lot. I
apologize in advance for any inconvience my request might cause, but I am
thirsty for kowledge on this subject. *shrug*
-christos
suggestions
I need a few suggestions for my upcomming vinyl purchases. 1. I need recommendation on good Belgian techno that you cant get in the US. My friend is going to Belgium, and he'll pick up a few records for me, I just want to give him some suggestions. 2. What are some good, recent tribal techno releases of the non-313 sort? Thanks in advance. - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
Re: [313]Art on a stick (was In the Ghetto)
At the store I worked in for the art fair, we sold Farah Fawcet (sp?) on a stick. No lie. On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Joshua M. Hill wrote: > kinda like all those people walking around ann arbor with art on a stick. > > yes, its that fabulous time of year again, the ann arbor art fair. where > everyone buys stuff to put in their lawn. > > i don't know if i'm comfortable with the fact that butterflies on sticks are > art for some people > > -- > Joshua Hill - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > icq: 3045997 / aolim: mandlebrot314 > www.ai-studio.com/josh - homepage > www.hillhaus.com - detroit cyberia > www.ai-studio.com - curator > -- > - Original Message - > From: "Giles Dickerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FC3 Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "'James Bucknell'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [313]In the Ghetto (was Richie Hawtin is the future of Detroit > Techno.) > > > > or maybe techno just wasn't her thing? i don't think it's faire to knock > > someone's taste because they don't get what you do. that kneejerk reaction > of > > being defensive when someone is critical of your likes dislikes is the > kiss of > > death for any artist. it's best to just be comfortable with the fact that > this > > music is for some people and not for others. isn't that the beauty of it? > > > > // giles > > > > FC3 Richards wrote: > > > > > i spun techno at a house party and a girl told me that she didn't like > it > > > because there were no buildups or break downs. i think she just wanted > to > > > hear cheesey synth and snare rolls. > > > jeff > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: James Bucknell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:48 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: [313]In the Ghetto (was Richie Hawtin is the future of > > > > Detroit Techno.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither the ghetto nor the suburbs are the future of techno. > > > > > > > > in the ghetto people don't listen to techno--they think it's white boy > > > > music > > > > from england. > > > > the kids in the suburbs don't listen to techno. they listen to trance > and > > > > drum n > > > > bass. > > > > > > > > in the u.s. techno will probably just continue to be the preserve of a > > > > small > > > > dedicated group. > > > > > > > > i'm putting my thoery to the test. i'm meant to spin at my block party > in > > > > harlem > > > > on saturday. i figure i'm going to get hit with a flying bottle before > i > > > > mix out > > > > of the first track. > > > > james > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: [313] loking for info on a particular promoter
I have heard nothing but really bad things about Vita Girl. The last party they threw was called "Sucky-Sucky." After it, I read dozens of posts about how sketchy the promoters were. - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley - On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, FC3 Richards wrote: > i have met the girl that runs that production crew. i don't know if she was > lying or not, but she said that she is Kelli Hand's agent. I know last > October or November she threw a party that was free til midnight. she held > up the line, that way as few people as possible could get in before 12. > besides that, she bought minimal water, that way she should shut the party > down when she ran out. if i remember right, it was over about 2 or 4 am. > but for all i know this is just typical detroit promoter bullshit. and she > could be lying about being kelli's promoter. > jeff > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:40 PM > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject:[313] loking for info on a particular promoter > > > > anyone have any opionions on vita girl produtions, or now them > > persoanlly > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
T-1000
I am curious, did anyone on this list catch T-1000 on Friday? His set was amazing, and it was funny seeing how the ravers were all "who is this guy? He kicks ass!" It was interesting though, because he expressed his feelings about DEMF, and announced "I am gonna start spinning some trance" when some dumb kid gave him a glowstick. ----- Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
bleu
I am just curious, has anyone heard anything about the supposed new club opening on Woodward, Bleu? - Christos Michalakis "I'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED] except without the gun." (734) 622-8398 -David Foley -
