RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Dan Bean]

Yup, they're good guys.

-Original Message-
From: David Armin-Parcells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 18 March 2008 21:56
To: U&I Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008


It's true
Detroit is a great city to ride in

I would not use a high end expensive bike though, some of the roads are 
worse than some trails I've been on.
consider giving these guys a call or e-mail to set up a bike. 
http://backalleybikes.org
they take old bikes and fix them up cheap or free if you volunteer
they would probably let you rent one

David

U&I Design wrote:
> I am a white girl who rides my bike every day during the summer, to
> work, to the store, even to the bars and clubs.  I've never had a
> problem, other than the ongoing hellos from people as I pass by, that
> kind of freaked me out a bit at first because living in the UK,
> especially in Liverpool, people don't tend to say hello to people they
> don't know, but in Detroit, there is a strong sense of southern
> hospitality, people say hello to one another as they pass by, in
> elevators, on the streets, everywhere you go.
>
> Just as in every other city, there are places you wouldn't want to
> ride your bike, as it gets a bit dangerous, but during the daytime, I
> tend to not worry where I ride, just after dark I try to be cautious.
> People here do tend to bring there bikes into their apartments, so I'd
> suggest speaking to your hotel to see if they have an inside storage
> space for bikes.
>
> Bike riding in Detroit has become more and more popular, as the gas
> prices are very high.  I tend to see 4-10 bike riders a day at the
> minimum in the summer and I work a 11-5, so I'm sure I miss the
> majority of good biking hours.  It's a major city, so yes, you will be
> riding amongst a lot of highrises and parking lots, but theres also
> parks, the river walk, the graffitti mile (which will hopefully be
> renovated enough by DEMF you can ride from the lake front to Eastern
> Market).  Detroit's very spread out, so you shouldn't expect to ride
> from downtown to Record Time Roseville for an outing, that would end
> up being a 20+ mile journey roundtrip.  There are very cute
> neighborhoods that are a good ride-through, such as Woodbridge, which
> is about a 10 minute ride from Hart Plaza.
>
> I'd suggest a guide, though, for anything your doing in the city,
> especially if you've never been here before.  If your interested in a
> bike tour around the city, I'd be willing to do a tour on the Saturday
> from noon till 2.  Let me know.
>
> Jodie
>
>
> On 3/17/08, rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I have a bike that folds up and goes in a suitcase. Quite handy.
>> I'm thinking more of would you get pulled off the bike if someone wanted it.
>>
>> I had a look at Detroit on Google earth, and it looks like there's a huge
>> green belt almost between the city center and the suburbs, and the city
>> centre is comprised of masses of huge empty vacant lots. It looks weird for
>> a City. Is everything in the center on a large scale, or are there areas of
>> old housing and row shops etc...On the bike would you be cycling between
>> high rises and carparks?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: U&I Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:26 PM
>> To: M Ng


[The entire original message is not included]

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[David Armin-Parcells]

It's true
Detroit is a great city to ride in

I would not use a high end expensive bike though, some of the roads are 
worse than some trails I've been on.
consider giving these guys a call or e-mail to set up a bike. 
http://backalleybikes.org

they take old bikes and fix them up cheap or free if you volunteer
they would probably let you rent one

David

U&I Design wrote:

I am a white girl who rides my bike every day during the summer, to
work, to the store, even to the bars and clubs.  I've never had a
problem, other than the ongoing hellos from people as I pass by, that
kind of freaked me out a bit at first because living in the UK,
especially in Liverpool, people don't tend to say hello to people they
don't know, but in Detroit, there is a strong sense of southern
hospitality, people say hello to one another as they pass by, in
elevators, on the streets, everywhere you go.

Just as in every other city, there are places you wouldn't want to
ride your bike, as it gets a bit dangerous, but during the daytime, I
tend to not worry where I ride, just after dark I try to be cautious.
People here do tend to bring there bikes into their apartments, so I'd
suggest speaking to your hotel to see if they have an inside storage
space for bikes.

Bike riding in Detroit has become more and more popular, as the gas
prices are very high.  I tend to see 4-10 bike riders a day at the
minimum in the summer and I work a 11-5, so I'm sure I miss the
majority of good biking hours.  It's a major city, so yes, you will be
riding amongst a lot of highrises and parking lots, but theres also
parks, the river walk, the graffitti mile (which will hopefully be
renovated enough by DEMF you can ride from the lake front to Eastern
Market).  Detroit's very spread out, so you shouldn't expect to ride
from downtown to Record Time Roseville for an outing, that would end
up being a 20+ mile journey roundtrip.  There are very cute
neighborhoods that are a good ride-through, such as Woodbridge, which
is about a 10 minute ride from Hart Plaza.

I'd suggest a guide, though, for anything your doing in the city,
especially if you've never been here before.  If your interested in a
bike tour around the city, I'd be willing to do a tour on the Saturday
from noon till 2.  Let me know.

Jodie


On 3/17/08, rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I have a bike that folds up and goes in a suitcase. Quite handy.
I'm thinking more of would you get pulled off the bike if someone wanted it.

I had a look at Detroit on Google earth, and it looks like there's a huge
green belt almost between the city center and the suburbs, and the city
centre is comprised of masses of huge empty vacant lots. It looks weird for
a City. Is everything in the center on a large scale, or are there areas of
old housing and row shops etc...On the bike would you be cycling between
high rises and carparks?

-Original Message-
From: U&I Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:26 PM
To: M Ng
Cc: Dan Bean; rg; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

There are a few cycle rental places starting up recently.  I'll find
the info for you cos I know cycling downtown is really becoming a
popular thing to do.  I always cycle during the summer now.  It's much
preferred to driving.




On 3/16/08, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was hoping to cycle around DEMF last year, there aren't many cars -
found most of the time there weren't many cars. The hotel told me good
luck trying to find a cycle rental though!

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I know a few downtown Detroit cyclists, they love it. Safer than


London...


 -Original Message-----
 From: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: 16 March 2008 03:57
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

 Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?

 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
 To: darnistle
 Cc: 313
 Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

 yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
 more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.

 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
 > Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
 >  afterparty, but not at the festival.
 >
 >  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed


below.


 >
 >
 >  --
 >  {}0+>|
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
 >  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that


have


 >  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if


you
   

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[U&I Design]

I am a white girl who rides my bike every day during the summer, to
work, to the store, even to the bars and clubs.  I've never had a
problem, other than the ongoing hellos from people as I pass by, that
kind of freaked me out a bit at first because living in the UK,
especially in Liverpool, people don't tend to say hello to people they
don't know, but in Detroit, there is a strong sense of southern
hospitality, people say hello to one another as they pass by, in
elevators, on the streets, everywhere you go.

Just as in every other city, there are places you wouldn't want to
ride your bike, as it gets a bit dangerous, but during the daytime, I
tend to not worry where I ride, just after dark I try to be cautious.
People here do tend to bring there bikes into their apartments, so I'd
suggest speaking to your hotel to see if they have an inside storage
space for bikes.

Bike riding in Detroit has become more and more popular, as the gas
prices are very high.  I tend to see 4-10 bike riders a day at the
minimum in the summer and I work a 11-5, so I'm sure I miss the
majority of good biking hours.  It's a major city, so yes, you will be
riding amongst a lot of highrises and parking lots, but theres also
parks, the river walk, the graffitti mile (which will hopefully be
renovated enough by DEMF you can ride from the lake front to Eastern
Market).  Detroit's very spread out, so you shouldn't expect to ride
from downtown to Record Time Roseville for an outing, that would end
up being a 20+ mile journey roundtrip.  There are very cute
neighborhoods that are a good ride-through, such as Woodbridge, which
is about a 10 minute ride from Hart Plaza.

I'd suggest a guide, though, for anything your doing in the city,
especially if you've never been here before.  If your interested in a
bike tour around the city, I'd be willing to do a tour on the Saturday
from noon till 2.  Let me know.

Jodie


On 3/17/08, rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a bike that folds up and goes in a suitcase. Quite handy.
> I'm thinking more of would you get pulled off the bike if someone wanted it.
>
> I had a look at Detroit on Google earth, and it looks like there's a huge
> green belt almost between the city center and the suburbs, and the city
> centre is comprised of masses of huge empty vacant lots. It looks weird for
> a City. Is everything in the center on a large scale, or are there areas of
> old housing and row shops etc...On the bike would you be cycling between
> high rises and carparks?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: U&I Design [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:26 PM
> To: M Ng
> Cc: Dan Bean; rg; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
>
> There are a few cycle rental places starting up recently.  I'll find
> the info for you cos I know cycling downtown is really becoming a
> popular thing to do.  I always cycle during the summer now.  It's much
> preferred to driving.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/16/08, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was hoping to cycle around DEMF last year, there aren't many cars -
> > found most of the time there weren't many cars. The hotel told me good
> > luck trying to find a cycle rental though!
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I know a few downtown Detroit cyclists, they love it. Safer than
> London...
> > >
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  Sent: 16 March 2008 03:57
> > >  To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > >  Subject: RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
> > >
> > >  Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?
> > >
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
> > >  To: darnistle
> > >  Cc: 313
> > >  Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
> > >
> > >  yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
> > >  more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.
> > >
> > >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  wrote:
> > >  > Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
> > >  >  afterparty, but not at the festival.
> > >  >
> > >  >  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed
> below.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >  --
> > >  >  {}0+>|
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > > 

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

No I completely disagree with you Greg. sorta kinda

> Detroit, to me, is not a festival.

Uh wha? But we're talking about the festival. No one has said that
Greektown, or the afterparties, or showing up at so'n'so's (insert
techno namedrop) house is not great. That stuff is all great.
Traveling is great. These are the attractions of traveling. There are
many great cities in the world full of brilliant artists and great
atractions and Detroit is one of them.

>  Yeah.  Let's see you get that kind of experience at
>  

It won't be the same experience. It could be equally great. I
appreciate Detroit very much, it's a great and unique place. But it is
besides the point if we're talking about the musical quality of the
festival. Obviously it is great to see friends and enjoy the sights,
although I am not so sure I enjoy the atmosphere of the festival the
best for this, or having to shell out hundreds of dollars in hotels
etc to do so. Waxing romantic about how it's the city that counts and
it doesn't matter if the festival goes to crap is not really a very
reasonable argument IMO.

That said, I got the most detailed and helpful description of last
year's festival from ex-313er Jamaul Redmond over the weekend. He said
it was still amazing, that there was a great performance on one stage
or another at all times, and described performances I hadn't even
heard about (Shake with 3 Chairs?? 6 hrs of Rhythm & Sound with one of
the guys from Wackies?!). He said there was no shortage of great
music, and from what he said, I believe it! He also added that all the
minimal and inane club music was mostly concentrated in the Beatport
tent. That doesn't sound so bad at all if it was that easily avoided.
Jamaul played a mindblowingly great set in Charlotte, NC on Saturday
night. His stuff is very much in the vein of the best Rob Hood stuff,
like the first dozen M-plants, really excellent, and his focus while
performing is really impressive...Highly recommend any body who enjoys
that original M-plant sound to check him out if you get the
chance...He opened for Rob Hood before and gave him a run for his
money...

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[U&I Design]

There are a few cycle rental places starting up recently.  I'll find
the info for you cos I know cycling downtown is really becoming a
popular thing to do.  I always cycle during the summer now.  It's much
preferred to driving.




On 3/16/08, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was hoping to cycle around DEMF last year, there aren't many cars -
> found most of the time there weren't many cars. The hotel told me good
> luck trying to find a cycle rental though!
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know a few downtown Detroit cyclists, they love it. Safer than London...
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  Sent: 16 March 2008 03:57
> >  To: 313@hyperreal.org
> >  Subject: RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
> >
> >  Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
> >  To: darnistle
> >  Cc: 313
> >  Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
> >
> >  yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
> >  more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.
> >
> >  On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  wrote:
> >  > Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
> >  >  afterparty, but not at the festival.
> >  >
> >  >  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  --
> >  >  {}0+>|
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
> >  >  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
> >  >  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
> >  >  > want it.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
> >  >  > in years past.
> >  >  > ADULT
> >  >  > JOHN ARNOLD
> >  >  > A GUY CALLED GERALD
> >  >  > JUAN ATKINS
> >  >  > ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
> >  >  > SLUM VILLAGE
> >  >  > BILL VANLOO
> >  >  > KENNY LARKIN
> >  >  > BONE
> >  >  > KEVIN SAUNDERSON
> >  >  > KELVIN LARKIN
> >  >  > LACKSIDAISYCAL
> >  >  > BUZZ GOREE
> >  >  > LAUREN FLAX
> >  >  > CARLOS SOUFFRONT
> >  >  > SCOTT ZACHERIAS
> >  >  > CASH MONEY
> >  >  > LEN SWAN
> >  >  > CRAIG TABORN
> >  >  > MAGDA
> >  >  > DBX
> >  >  > MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
> >  >  > DEGO
> >  >  > MIKE GRANT
> >  >  > DEREK PLASLAIKO
> >  >  > MIKE HUCKABY
> >  >  > DERRICK MAY
> >  >  > MINX
> >  >  > DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
> >  >  > MOS DEF
> >  >  > DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
> >  >  > OSCAR MCMILLAN
> >  >  > DJ SPOOKY
> >
> >
> >  [The entire original message is not included]
> >
>

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[M Ng]

I was hoping to cycle around DEMF last year, there aren't many cars -
found most of the time there weren't many cars. The hotel told me good
luck trying to find a cycle rental though!

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know a few downtown Detroit cyclists, they love it. Safer than London...
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Sent: 16 March 2008 03:57
>  To: 313@hyperreal.org
>  Subject: RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
>
>  Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
>  To: darnistle
>  Cc: 313
>  Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
>
>  yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
>  more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.
>
>  On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  wrote:
>  > Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
>  >  afterparty, but not at the festival.
>  >
>  >  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.
>  >
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  {}0+>|
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
>  >  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  >  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  >  > want it.
>  >  >
>  >  > Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
>  >  > in years past.
>  >  > ADULT
>  >  > JOHN ARNOLD
>  >  > A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  >  > JUAN ATKINS
>  >  > ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  >  > SLUM VILLAGE
>  >  > BILL VANLOO
>  >  > KENNY LARKIN
>  >  > BONE
>  >  > KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  >  > KELVIN LARKIN
>  >  > LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  >  > BUZZ GOREE
>  >  > LAUREN FLAX
>  >  > CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  >  > SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  >  > CASH MONEY
>  >  > LEN SWAN
>  >  > CRAIG TABORN
>  >  > MAGDA
>  >  > DBX
>  >  > MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  >  > DEGO
>  >  > MIKE GRANT
>  >  > DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  >  > MIKE HUCKABY
>  >  > DERRICK MAY
>  >  > MINX
>  >  > DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  >  > MOS DEF
>  >  > DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  >  > OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  >  > DJ SPOOKY
>
>
>  [The entire original message is not included]
>

RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Dan Bean]

I know a few downtown Detroit cyclists, they love it. Safer than London...

-Original Message-
From: rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 16 March 2008 03:57
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?

-Original Message-
From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
To: darnistle
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
>  afterparty, but not at the festival.
>
>  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.
>
>
>  --
>  {}0+>|
>
>
>
>
>
>  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
>  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  > want it.
>  >
>  > Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
>  > in years past.
>  > ADULT
>  > JOHN ARNOLD
>  > A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  > JUAN ATKINS
>  > ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  > SLUM VILLAGE
>  > BILL VANLOO
>  > KENNY LARKIN
>  > BONE
>  > KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  > KELVIN LARKIN
>  > LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  > BUZZ GOREE
>  > LAUREN FLAX
>  > CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  > SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  > CASH MONEY
>  > LEN SWAN
>  > CRAIG TABORN
>  > MAGDA
>  > DBX
>  > MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  > DEGO
>  > MIKE GRANT
>  > DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  > MIKE HUCKABY
>  > DERRICK MAY
>  > MINX
>  > DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  > MOS DEF
>  > DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  > OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  > DJ SPOOKY


[The entire original message is not included]

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that is an entirely different comment on a completely different issue
>  and doesn't even belong on this 313 thread.

i <3 complacency.

tom

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

Now let's get back to issues of substance like t-shirts and candy ravers.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:27 AM, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that is an entirely different comment on a completely different issue
>  and doesn't even belong on this 313 thread.
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  > I'm with MNG and Greg about this.  The festival itself isn't what it
>  >  >  used to be, and so what.  I'm just glad there is something
>  >
>  >  and this is how we get things like george bush for president. thank
>  >  god there is something.
>  >
>  >  tom
>  >
>



-- 
---
Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.planerecordings.com
New York, NY

Re: (313) demf 2008

[M Ng]

that is an entirely different comment on a completely different issue
and doesn't even belong on this 313 thread.



On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > I'm with MNG and Greg about this.  The festival itself isn't what it
>  >  used to be, and so what.  I'm just glad there is something
>
>  and this is how we get things like george bush for president. thank
>  god there is something.
>
>  tom
>

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm with MNG and Greg about this.  The festival itself isn't what it
>  used to be, and so what.  I'm just glad there is something

and this is how we get things like george bush for president. thank
god there is something.

tom

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Fred Heutte]

I'm with MNG and Greg about this.  The festival itself isn't what it
used to be, and so what.  I'm just glad there is something, the music
is at least pretty good and sometimes excellent.

I can't think of more than an hour or two over eight years when it
sucked so bad on four stages that I just gave up (and when that
happened I went to dinner in Greektown and buzzed back on the
PM anyway), and to be brutally honest with y'all, the afterparties
suck even more and in fact always did.

But there are wonderful moments there too.  Aaron-Carl played a
brilliant set to like 3 of us in the side room at McCarthy's last year.
I'll never forget Gary Martin's record release party at Push in Eastern
Market where he played the all time genre-hopping cover the map
set.  Who could forget the Seventh City parties or the 430 West
10th anniversary or Cannonball or GU and the Chicago crew
playing all night at the Camellian, or BMG and Plaslaiko going off
the fooking hook in the back of the Stick last year.  Or Kenny
Larkin's large, large set where he turned the sound system at
Bleu into a musical instrument, or the Timeline live show at the
community center.  And so many others, and I know I have not
mentioned some of your favorites.

And by the way, there were candy ravers, scads of 'em, in 2000
at the festival and I have pictures to prove it.  Same as it ever was.  

cheers

fh


-
>On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  but some of the artists over
>>  the past 2 years have been a gigantic joke. maybe you want to go back
>>  to bad raves, but i feel like that is devoid of any culture at all in
>>  2008.
>
>I can't the last year's lineup on the site because i keep getting
>redirected to the photo gallery, but the press release highlights Jeff
>Mills, Moodymann, and Model 500?! There have been joke acts every
>year, and the rave crowd started showing up in spades at least two
>years before Paxahau took over.
>
>--
>matt kane's brain
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
>AIM: mkbatwerk
>

RE: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[rg]

Would it be safe riding a bicycle around the city during DEMF?

-Original Message-
From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:01 PM
To: darnistle
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
>  afterparty, but not at the festival.
>
>  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.
>
>
>  --
>  {}0+>|
>
>
>
>
>
>  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
>  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  > want it.
>  >
>  > Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
>  > in years past.
>  > ADULT
>  > JOHN ARNOLD
>  > A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  > JUAN ATKINS
>  > ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  > SLUM VILLAGE
>  > BILL VANLOO
>  > KENNY LARKIN
>  > BONE
>  > KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  > KELVIN LARKIN
>  > LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  > BUZZ GOREE
>  > LAUREN FLAX
>  > CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  > SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  > CASH MONEY
>  > LEN SWAN
>  > CRAIG TABORN
>  > MAGDA
>  > DBX
>  > MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  > DEGO
>  > MIKE GRANT
>  > DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  > MIKE HUCKABY
>  > DERRICK MAY
>  > MINX
>  > DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  > MOS DEF
>  > DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  > OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  > DJ SPOOKY
>  > RECLOOSE
>  > DJ ASSAULT
>  > RICHIE HAWTIN
>  > DOUBLE HELIX
>  > ROLANDO
>  > D.WYNN
>  > RONIN
>  > DYKEHOUSE
>  > THE ROOTS
>  > ECTOMORPH
>  > SCAN 7
>  > FANON FLOWERS
>  > SHAKE
>  > GARY CHANDLER
>  > SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  > DJ GODFATHER
>  > SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  > HANNAH
>  > STACEY PULLEN
>  > HOUSESHOES
>  > THEO PARRISH
>  > SEAN DEASON
>  > THEOREM
>  > JASON HOGANS
>  > TIKIMAN
>  > JEFF KAROLSKI
>  > URBAN TRIBE
>  > VITREOUS FLUX
>  > CLARK WARNER
>  > WILD PLANET
>  > ALAN ESTER
>  > EDDIE FOWLKES
>  > LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  > PHAT KAT
>  > RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  > STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  > Sundiata
>  > Chad Novak
>  > Electric Indigo
>  > Heather Heart
>  > Gene Farris
>  > DJ Zap
>  > Mike Grant
>  > Steve Rachmad
>  > Dave Angel
>  > Kevin Saunderson
>  > Juan Atkins
>  > Shorty
>  > Erotek (live)
>  > John Collins
>  > Mad Professor(live)
>  > Reggie Curry
>  > T.Linder
>  > Bill Beaver(live)
>  > DeepChord(live)
>  > Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  > Jon Tejada
>  > Boo Williams
>  > Cas Roc
>  > Frankie Knuckles
>  > DJ Shadow
>  > Sarena Tyler
>  > X - Ecutioners
>  > Adam X
>  > Black Eyed Peas
>  > Bryan Zentz
>  > Blake Baxter
>  > Roni Size
>  > Eddie Fowlkes
>  > Mike Dearborn
>  > George Clinton
>  > Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  > Gary Martin
>  > Rick Wade
>  > Stewart Walker(live)
>  > Paul Johnson
>  > Drexciya
>  > Ethan Kline
>  > Derrick Thompson
>  > Kenny Dope
>  > Chaos (live)
>  > Bone
>  > Dave Clark
>  > Roy Davis, Jr.
>  > Dennis Cox
>  > Green Velvet(live)
>  > Frankie Bones
>  > K.Hand
>  > Advent( Live)
>  > DJ Funk
>  > Rob Hood
>  > Colin Dale
>  > A Number of Names(live)
>  > Dwayne Jensen
>  > Steve Tang
>  > Greg Collier
>  > Matt Clark
>  > Melvin Hill
>  > Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  > Mike Huckaby
>  > DJ Dangerous
>  > Ron Carroll
>  > T-1000
>  > Traxx
>  > Adam Goldstone
>  > Akufen - Live
>  > Alder and Elias
>  > Amp Fiddler
>  > Andres
>  > Aril Brikha
>  > Ayro
>  > Ben Bracken
>  > Blaze (TBC)
>  > Brad Hales
>  > Buzz Gorree
>  > Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  > Carlos Souffront
>  > Clark Warner
>  > Dale Lawrence
>  > Danny Krivit
>  > Delano Smith
>  > DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  > Double Helix
>  > Dwele
>  > D Wynn
>  > Eddie Fowlkes
>  > ESG
>  > Francois K
>  > Fusion
>  > DJ Genesis
>  > Grandwizzard Theodore
> 

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[theREALmxyzptlk]

darnistle wrote:
I sorta remember seeing him scheduled but I never heard his set, despite 
going to the area several times.


Then again, the sound quality is so murky in the underground area, I 
might not have realized it was him playing.



No - you'd have known it from a ways off.
They had the stage set up so as soon as people came off the entry ramp 
and turned right, they faced it. It seems like there's a little less 
bounce on the sound down on the floor when it's positioned like that.

(still horrible, nonetheless - although Deepchord sounded good down there!0

jeff

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[darnistle]

I sorta remember seeing him scheduled but I never heard his set, despite 
going to the area several times.


Then again, the sound quality is so murky in the underground area, I 
might not have realized it was him playing.


I hope the Paxahau group do something about the sound in that area.  Its 
a waste of good talent to have DJs spin there. I've never been inspired 
to linger in that area, even for DJs I've gone there to see, because the 
sound quality is so awful.


{}0+>|


theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

darnistle wrote:
Did Akufen actually play the festival?  



Yes. Underground.


jeff

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Detroit Techno Militia]

I know I didn't have all the people on there - I just gathered what I
could find.  I also noted that I only had a partial list and I
couldn't remember what years I missed.

Just giving you guys a point to start from.  :)
-angie

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Todd Sines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton
>  and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)
>
>  Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there
>  4 times.. did he really play 4 times?
>
>
>  +odd
>  --
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:
>
>  > are u sure you got them all? ;)
>  >
>  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  >>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  >>  want it.
>  >>
>  >>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the
>  >> festival
>  >>  in years past.
>  >>  ADULT
>  >>  JOHN ARNOLD
>  >>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  >>  JUAN ATKINS
>  >>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  >>  SLUM VILLAGE
>  >>  BILL VANLOO
>  >>  KENNY LARKIN
>  >>  BONE
>  >>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  >>  KELVIN LARKIN
>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  >>  BUZZ GOREE
>  >>  LAUREN FLAX
>  >>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  >>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  >>  CASH MONEY
>  >>  LEN SWAN
>  >>  CRAIG TABORN
>  >>  MAGDA
>  >>  DBX
>  >>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  >>  DEGO
>  >>  MIKE GRANT
>  >>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  >>  MIKE HUCKABY
>  >>  DERRICK MAY
>  >>  MINX
>  >>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  >>  MOS DEF
>  >>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  >>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  >>  DJ SPOOKY
>  >>  RECLOOSE
>  >>  DJ ASSAULT
>  >>  RICHIE HAWTIN
>  >>  DOUBLE HELIX
>  >>  ROLANDO
>  >>  D.WYNN
>  >>  RONIN
>  >>  DYKEHOUSE
>  >>  THE ROOTS
>  >>  ECTOMORPH
>  >>  SCAN 7
>  >>  FANON FLOWERS
>  >>  SHAKE
>  >>  GARY CHANDLER
>  >>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  >>  DJ GODFATHER
>  >>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  >>  HANNAH
>  >>  STACEY PULLEN
>  >>  HOUSESHOES
>  >>  THEO PARRISH
>  >>  SEAN DEASON
>  >>  THEOREM
>  >>  JASON HOGANS
>  >>  TIKIMAN
>  >>  JEFF KAROLSKI
>  >>  URBAN TRIBE
>  >>  VITREOUS FLUX
>  >>  CLARK WARNER
>  >>  WILD PLANET
>  >>  ALAN ESTER
>  >>  EDDIE FOWLKES
>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  >>  PHAT KAT
>  >>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  >>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  >>  Sundiata
>  >>  Chad Novak
>  >>  Electric Indigo
>  >>  Heather Heart
>  >>  Gene Farris
>  >>  DJ Zap
>  >>  Mike Grant
>  >>  Steve Rachmad
>  >>  Dave Angel
>  >>  Kevin Saunderson
>  >>  Juan Atkins
>  >>  Shorty
>  >>  Erotek (live)
>  >>  John Collins
>  >>  Mad Professor(live)
>  >>  Reggie Curry
>  >>  T.Linder
>  >>  Bill Beaver(live)
>  >>  DeepChord(live)
>  >>  Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  >>  Jon Tejada
>  >>  Boo Williams
>  >>  Cas Roc
>  >>  Frankie Knuckles
>  >>  DJ Shadow
>  >>  Sarena Tyler
>  >>  X - Ecutioners
>  >>  Adam X
>  >>  Black Eyed Peas
>  >>  Bryan Zentz
>  >>  Blake Baxter
>  >>  Roni Size
>  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >>  Mike Dearborn
>  >>  George Clinton
>  >>  Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  >>  Gary Martin
>  >>  Rick Wade
>  >>  Stewart Walker(live)
>  >>  Paul Johnson
>  >>  Drexciya
>  >>  Ethan Kline
>  >>  Derrick Thompson
>  >>  Kenny Dope
>  >>  Chaos (live)
>  >>  Bone
>  >>  Dave Clark
>  >>  Roy Davis, Jr.
>  >>  Dennis Cox
>  >>  Green Velvet(live)
>  >>  Frankie Bones
>  >>  K.Hand
>  >>  Advent( Live)
>  >>  DJ Funk
>  >>  Rob Hood
>  >>  Colin Dale
>  >>  A Number of Names(live)
>  >>  Dwayne Jensen
>  >>  Steve Tang
>  >>  Greg Collier
>  >>  Matt Clark
>  >>  Melvin Hill
>  >>  Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  >>  Mike Huckaby
>  >>  DJ Dangerous
>  >>  Ron Carroll
>  >>  T-1000
>  >>  Traxx
>  >>  Adam Goldstone
>  >>  Akufen - Live
>  >>  Alder and Elias
>  >>  Amp Fiddler
>  >>  Andres
>  >>  Aril Brikha
>  >>  Ayro
>  >>  Ben Bracken
>  >>  Blaze (TBC)
>  >>  Brad Hales
>  >>  Buzz Gorree
>  >>  Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  >>  Carlos Souffront
>  >>  Clark Warner
>  >>  Dale Lawrence
>  >>  Danny Krivit
>  >>  Delano Smith
>  >>  DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  >>  Double Helix
>  >>  Dwele
>  >>  D Wynn
>  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >>  ESG
>  >>  Francois K
>  >>  Fusion
>  >>  DJ Genesis
>  >>  Grandwizzard Theodore
>  >>  Jazzy Jay
>  >>  Jeff Mills
>  >>  Jimmy Edgar
>  >>  John Arnold
>  >>  John Beltran
>  >>  Juan Atkins
>  >>  Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
>  >>  K-Hand
>  >>  Kid 606
>  >>  Korie
>  >>  Liquid Liquid
>  >>  Magda
>  >>  Marcellus Pitman
>  >>  Matthew Dear
>  >>  Mike Clark
>  >>  Mike Grant
>  >>  Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
>  >>  Niko Marks (TBC)
>  >>  Norma Jean Bell
>  >>  Norm Talley
>  >>  Persona
>  >>  Perspects
>  >>  Peven Everett
>  >>  Pole
>  >>  Reese Project
>  >>  Reggie Dokes
>  >>  Richie Hawtin (TBC)
>  >>  Rich Medina
>  >>  Rolando
>  >>  Ron Trent
>  >>  Sans Soliel
>  >>  Scott Zacharias
>  >>  Shake
>  >>  Slum Village
>  >>  Spacek
>  >>  Stacey H

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Matt Kane's Brain]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  except that simple math shows that it
>  is indeed very possible to have more performers by just shortening the
>  length of each set.

Also there aren't as many people doing two separate sets in later years.

-- 
matt kane's brain
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org
AIM: mkbatwerk

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, U&I Design
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry Tom, maybe it's my shortage of sleep or the mass amounts of
>  coffee I had this morning... but I keep trying to comprehend what your
>  saying with this and I can't .  If its important, can you rephrase
>  this?  Make it simple so my mind thats too tired to keep up with the
>  racing caffeine can comprehend.

okay guys, try not to hurt yourselves ;)

say you have 5 stages from noon-midnight for 3 days every year. that
is 180 performance hours each year. now, for the early years, let's
say average set lengths were 2 hours. that gives you 90 2 hour
performances. assuming each one is by a different performer, that is
90 performers. now lets say for the more recent ones that the average
set length decreased just a slight bit to 1.5 hours per set. that now
gives you 120 1.5 hour performances. assuming each one is by a
different performer, that is 120 performers with only a small change
in average set times. and if the total number of detroit artists
remained exactly the same each year (for sake of argument, let's go
with 30 per year) the percentage of total artists who are from detroit
would change from 33.3% in years with 90 artists to 25% in years with
120 artists.

this was in response to you saying "You think the overall number of
performers increased? They've consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5
throughout the years, same hours too.. simple math would tell you
thats not humanly possible..." except that simple math shows that it
is indeed very possible to have more performers by just shortening the
length of each set. and since the published set information is not
really reliable, it may be impossible to actually guage whether or not
the set lengths are shorter, but it seems to me over the past 2 years
especially there have been a lot more 1 hour sets than there were in
years past.

tom

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

haha yea i did not get he point either.

On 3/14/08, U&I Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry Tom, maybe it's my shortage of sleep or the mass amounts of
> coffee I had this morning... but I keep trying to comprehend what your
> saying with this and I can't .  If its important, can you rephrase
> this?  Make it simple so my mind thats too tired to keep up with the
> racing caffeine can comprehend.
>
> On 3/14/08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:32 AM, U&I Design
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >  OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I
> > >  read this...  Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!!
> > >  You think the overall number of performers increased?  They've
> > >  consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours
> > >  too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible...  that's
> > >  Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable...
> >
> > hmmm, im actually not so sure about that. i remember people getting
> > lots of longer sets earlier, these past couple of years many people
> > have been restricted to only 1 hour sets. i dont know if there have
> > definitely been more performers recently, but it feels like it is
> > possible with such short set times.
> >
> > >  but here's
> > >  where I choked on my coffee...  you think there's a finite number of
> > >  DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!!  Do some research, go back to
> > >  school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also
> > >  where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong.  This
> > >  city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats
> > >  on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day
> > >  festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only.
> >
> > there are cats all over the place in detroit! but even more
> > importantly than the actual detroit guys that they book, i think the
> > detroit related artists have been consistantly going down to the point
> > where many people playing probably dont even care that they are in
> > detroit as opposed to any other city.
> >
> > tom
> >
>


-- 
---
Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.planerecordings.com
New York, NY

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[U&I Design]

I'm sorry Tom, maybe it's my shortage of sleep or the mass amounts of
coffee I had this morning... but I keep trying to comprehend what your
saying with this and I can't .  If its important, can you rephrase
this?  Make it simple so my mind thats too tired to keep up with the
racing caffeine can comprehend.

On 3/14/08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:32 AM, U&I Design
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I
> >  read this...  Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!!
> >  You think the overall number of performers increased?  They've
> >  consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours
> >  too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible...  that's
> >  Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable...
>
> hmmm, im actually not so sure about that. i remember people getting
> lots of longer sets earlier, these past couple of years many people
> have been restricted to only 1 hour sets. i dont know if there have
> definitely been more performers recently, but it feels like it is
> possible with such short set times.
>
> >  but here's
> >  where I choked on my coffee...  you think there's a finite number of
> >  DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!!  Do some research, go back to
> >  school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also
> >  where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong.  This
> >  city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats
> >  on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day
> >  festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only.
>
> there are cats all over the place in detroit! but even more
> importantly than the actual detroit guys that they book, i think the
> detroit related artists have been consistantly going down to the point
> where many people playing probably dont even care that they are in
> detroit as opposed to any other city.
>
> tom
>

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[m50]

At 08:32 2008.03.14, U&I Design wrote:

On 3/13/08, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that would be ideal, yes, but i'd bet that what has really happened is
> that the overall number of performers has increased, while the detroit
> representation has stayed about the same.  and, realistically, i think
> the problem is that there are just a finite number of people djing and
> making music in detroit.  hence KMS getting booked a ridiculous five
> times.  it is a crime, however, that rob hood has only been booked
> once.  and derrick and jeff have only played once as well.


OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I
read this...  Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!!
You think the overall number of performers increased?  They've
consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours
too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible...  that's
Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable...  but here's
where I choked on my coffee...  you think there's a finite number of
DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!!  Do some research, go back to
school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also
where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong.  This
city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats
on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day
festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only.



Agreed - there is no shortage of Detroit artists available.  Barring that, 
there is certainly no shortage of artists directly linked to Detroit and 
the surrounding areas (artists on Planet E, from Windsor, Ann Arbor, etc)


m50 

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:32 AM, U&I Design
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I
>  read this...  Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!!
>  You think the overall number of performers increased?  They've
>  consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours
>  too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible...  that's
>  Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable...

hmmm, im actually not so sure about that. i remember people getting
lots of longer sets earlier, these past couple of years many people
have been restricted to only 1 hour sets. i dont know if there have
definitely been more performers recently, but it feels like it is
possible with such short set times.

>  but here's
>  where I choked on my coffee...  you think there's a finite number of
>  DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!!  Do some research, go back to
>  school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also
>  where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong.  This
>  city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats
>  on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day
>  festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only.

there are cats all over the place in detroit! but even more
importantly than the actual detroit guys that they book, i think the
detroit related artists have been consistantly going down to the point
where many people playing probably dont even care that they are in
detroit as opposed to any other city.

tom

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[U&I Design]

On 3/13/08, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > the facts:
> >  >
> >  >  only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
> >  >  years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
> >  >  of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
> >  >  detroit (80%)
> >
> >  what we need is the percentages by year to see what the breakdown is
> >  like. my personal favorite year was 03 (i missed the first 3 though)
> >  and that one had to have been like 75% detroit area artists.
> >
>
> that would be ideal, yes, but i'd bet that what has really happened is
> that the overall number of performers has increased, while the detroit
> representation has stayed about the same.  and, realistically, i think
> the problem is that there are just a finite number of people djing and
> making music in detroit.  hence KMS getting booked a ridiculous five
> times.  it is a crime, however, that rob hood has only been booked
> once.  and derrick and jeff have only played once as well.


OK... I'm sorry, but I practically choked on my morning coffee when I
read this...  Frank, I had such higher opinions of you than this!!
You think the overall number of performers increased?  They've
consistently had 4 stages sometimes 5 throughout the years, same hours
too.. simple math would tell you thats not humanly possible...  that's
Ok that you might've miscalculated that, forgivable...  but here's
where I choked on my coffee...  you think there's a finite number of
DJs and producers in Detroit?!! WHAT??!!  Do some research, go back to
school, learn about not just the history of where it began, but also
where it has evolved to, because your comment is dead wrong.  This
city has more amazing DJs, Producers, and live musicians laying beats
on techno tracks than I could ever book if I was producing a 5 day
festival with 4 stages, making every stage Detroit only.



> >
> >  >  Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
> >  >  Huckaby have each played four times.
> >
> >  WTF on saunderson 5 times, grant and huck deserve to play every year!
> >
> >  tom
> >
>
>
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[theREALmxyzptlk]

darnistle wrote:
Did Akufen actually play the festival?  



Yes. Underground.


jeff

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

yeah the more i look at that list that the girl from DTM posted, the
more i realize how incomplete it is.  man, 2001 ruled.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an
>  afterparty, but not at the festival.
>
>  Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.
>
>
>  --
>  {}0+>|
>
>
>
>
>
>  Detroit Techno Militia wrote:
>  > A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  > played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  > want it.
>  >
>  > Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
>  > in years past.
>  > ADULT
>  > JOHN ARNOLD
>  > A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  > JUAN ATKINS
>  > ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  > SLUM VILLAGE
>  > BILL VANLOO
>  > KENNY LARKIN
>  > BONE
>  > KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  > KELVIN LARKIN
>  > LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  > BUZZ GOREE
>  > LAUREN FLAX
>  > CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  > SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  > CASH MONEY
>  > LEN SWAN
>  > CRAIG TABORN
>  > MAGDA
>  > DBX
>  > MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  > DEGO
>  > MIKE GRANT
>  > DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  > MIKE HUCKABY
>  > DERRICK MAY
>  > MINX
>  > DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  > MOS DEF
>  > DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  > OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  > DJ SPOOKY
>  > RECLOOSE
>  > DJ ASSAULT
>  > RICHIE HAWTIN
>  > DOUBLE HELIX
>  > ROLANDO
>  > D.WYNN
>  > RONIN
>  > DYKEHOUSE
>  > THE ROOTS
>  > ECTOMORPH
>  > SCAN 7
>  > FANON FLOWERS
>  > SHAKE
>  > GARY CHANDLER
>  > SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  > DJ GODFATHER
>  > SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  > HANNAH
>  > STACEY PULLEN
>  > HOUSESHOES
>  > THEO PARRISH
>  > SEAN DEASON
>  > THEOREM
>  > JASON HOGANS
>  > TIKIMAN
>  > JEFF KAROLSKI
>  > URBAN TRIBE
>  > VITREOUS FLUX
>  > CLARK WARNER
>  > WILD PLANET
>  > ALAN ESTER
>  > EDDIE FOWLKES
>  > LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  > PHAT KAT
>  > RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  > STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  > Sundiata
>  > Chad Novak
>  > Electric Indigo
>  > Heather Heart
>  > Gene Farris
>  > DJ Zap
>  > Mike Grant
>  > Steve Rachmad
>  > Dave Angel
>  > Kevin Saunderson
>  > Juan Atkins
>  > Shorty
>  > Erotek (live)
>  > John Collins
>  > Mad Professor(live)
>  > Reggie Curry
>  > T.Linder
>  > Bill Beaver(live)
>  > DeepChord(live)
>  > Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  > Jon Tejada
>  > Boo Williams
>  > Cas Roc
>  > Frankie Knuckles
>  > DJ Shadow
>  > Sarena Tyler
>  > X - Ecutioners
>  > Adam X
>  > Black Eyed Peas
>  > Bryan Zentz
>  > Blake Baxter
>  > Roni Size
>  > Eddie Fowlkes
>  > Mike Dearborn
>  > George Clinton
>  > Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  > Gary Martin
>  > Rick Wade
>  > Stewart Walker(live)
>  > Paul Johnson
>  > Drexciya
>  > Ethan Kline
>  > Derrick Thompson
>  > Kenny Dope
>  > Chaos (live)
>  > Bone
>  > Dave Clark
>  > Roy Davis, Jr.
>  > Dennis Cox
>  > Green Velvet(live)
>  > Frankie Bones
>  > K.Hand
>  > Advent( Live)
>  > DJ Funk
>  > Rob Hood
>  > Colin Dale
>  > A Number of Names(live)
>  > Dwayne Jensen
>  > Steve Tang
>  > Greg Collier
>  > Matt Clark
>  > Melvin Hill
>  > Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  > Mike Huckaby
>  > DJ Dangerous
>  > Ron Carroll
>  > T-1000
>  > Traxx
>  > Adam Goldstone
>  > Akufen - Live
>  > Alder and Elias
>  > Amp Fiddler
>  > Andres
>  > Aril Brikha
>  > Ayro
>  > Ben Bracken
>  > Blaze (TBC)
>  > Brad Hales
>  > Buzz Gorree
>  > Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  > Carlos Souffront
>  > Clark Warner
>  > Dale Lawrence
>  > Danny Krivit
>  > Delano Smith
>  > DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  > Double Helix
>  > Dwele
>  > D Wynn
>  > Eddie Fowlkes
>  > ESG
>  > Francois K
>  > Fusion
>  > DJ Genesis
>  > Grandwizzard Theodore
>  > Jazzy Jay
>  > Jeff Mills
>  > Jimmy Edgar
>  > John Arnold
>  > John Beltran
>  > Juan Atkins
>  > Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
>  > K-Hand
>  > Kid 606
>  > Korie
>  > Liquid Liquid
>  > Magda
>  > Marcellus Pitman
>  > Matthew Dear
>  > Mike Clark
>  > Mike Grant
>  > Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
>  > Niko Marks (TBC)
>  > Norma Jean Bell
>  > Norm Talley
>  > Persona
>  > Perspects
>  > Peven Everett
>  > Pole
>  > Reese Project
>  > Reggie Dokes
>  > Richie Hawtin (TBC)
>  > Rich Medina
>  > Rolando
>  > Ron Trent
>  > Sans Soliel
>  > Scott Zacharias
>  > Shake
>  > Slum Village
>  > Spacek
>  > Stacey Hale
>  > Stacy Pullen
>  > Sysmanski
>  > Tamion 12"
>  > The 3 Chairs
>  > Theo Parrish
>  > Thinkbox
>  > Thomas Fehlmann
>  > Timespace
>  > Ursula Rucker
>  > Vikter Duplaix
>  > Wolf Eyes
>  > Aardvark
>  > Alden Tyrell live
>  > Amp Fiddler live
>  > Barbara Preisinger
>  > Biological Live
>  > Camp Amp DJs
>  > Claude Young
>  > Cloud 9
>  > Danny Krivit
>  > Derek Plaslaiko
>  > Kevin Reynolds
>  > Kevin Saunderson
>  > Language
>  > Legowelt
>  > Louis Haiman
>  > Madlib and PBW ft Jay Dee
>  > Malik Alston Painted Pictures
>  > Marques Wyatt
>  > McKay
>  > Mike Geiger
>  > DJ Cosmo
>  > DJ Genesis live
>  > DJ Nova
>  > Duplex Live
>  > Ellen Allien
>  > Fat Freddy's Drop
>  > Francois K
>  > Garth Trinidad
>  > Goldfin

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[darnistle]

Did Akufen actually play the festival?  I remember seeing him at an 
afterparty, but not at the festival.


Also, Orb, Richard Devine and Photek played, but aren't listed below.


--
{}0+>|



Detroit Techno Militia wrote:

A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
want it.

Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
in years past.
ADULT
JOHN ARNOLD
A GUY CALLED GERALD
JUAN ATKINS
ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
SLUM VILLAGE
BILL VANLOO
KENNY LARKIN
BONE
KEVIN SAUNDERSON
KELVIN LARKIN
LACKSIDAISYCAL
BUZZ GOREE
LAUREN FLAX
CARLOS SOUFFRONT
SCOTT ZACHERIAS
CASH MONEY
LEN SWAN
CRAIG TABORN
MAGDA
DBX
MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
DEGO
MIKE GRANT
DEREK PLASLAIKO
MIKE HUCKABY
DERRICK MAY
MINX
DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
MOS DEF
DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
OSCAR MCMILLAN
DJ SPOOKY
RECLOOSE
DJ ASSAULT
RICHIE HAWTIN
DOUBLE HELIX
ROLANDO
D.WYNN
RONIN
DYKEHOUSE
THE ROOTS
ECTOMORPH
SCAN 7
FANON FLOWERS
SHAKE
GARY CHANDLER
SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
DJ GODFATHER
SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
HANNAH
STACEY PULLEN
HOUSESHOES
THEO PARRISH
SEAN DEASON
THEOREM
JASON HOGANS
TIKIMAN
JEFF KAROLSKI
URBAN TRIBE
VITREOUS FLUX
CLARK WARNER
WILD PLANET
ALAN ESTER
EDDIE FOWLKES
LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
PHAT KAT
RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
Sundiata
Chad Novak
Electric Indigo
Heather Heart
Gene Farris
DJ Zap
Mike Grant
Steve Rachmad
Dave Angel
Kevin Saunderson
Juan Atkins
Shorty
Erotek (live)
John Collins
Mad Professor(live)
Reggie Curry
T.Linder
Bill Beaver(live)
DeepChord(live)
Scott Grooves (dj & live)
Jon Tejada
Boo Williams
Cas Roc
Frankie Knuckles
DJ Shadow
Sarena Tyler
X - Ecutioners
Adam X
Black Eyed Peas
Bryan Zentz
Blake Baxter
Roni Size
Eddie Fowlkes
Mike Dearborn
George Clinton
Art Payne/ Keith Martin
Gary Martin
Rick Wade
Stewart Walker(live)
Paul Johnson
Drexciya
Ethan Kline
Derrick Thompson
Kenny Dope
Chaos (live)
Bone
Dave Clark
Roy Davis, Jr.
Dennis Cox
Green Velvet(live)
Frankie Bones
K.Hand
Advent( Live)
DJ Funk
Rob Hood
Colin Dale
A Number of Names(live)
Dwayne Jensen
Steve Tang
Greg Collier
Matt Clark
Melvin Hill
Black Bottom Collective(live)
Mike Huckaby
DJ Dangerous
Ron Carroll
T-1000
Traxx
Adam Goldstone
Akufen - Live
Alder and Elias
Amp Fiddler
Andres
Aril Brikha
Ayro
Ben Bracken
Blaze (TBC)
Brad Hales
Buzz Gorree
Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
Carlos Souffront
Clark Warner
Dale Lawrence
Danny Krivit
Delano Smith
DJ Spinna (TBC)
Double Helix
Dwele
D Wynn
Eddie Fowlkes
ESG
Francois K
Fusion
DJ Genesis
Grandwizzard Theodore
Jazzy Jay
Jeff Mills
Jimmy Edgar
John Arnold
John Beltran
Juan Atkins
Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
K-Hand
Kid 606
Korie
Liquid Liquid
Magda
Marcellus Pitman
Matthew Dear
Mike Clark
Mike Grant
Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
Niko Marks (TBC)
Norma Jean Bell
Norm Talley
Persona
Perspects
Peven Everett
Pole
Reese Project
Reggie Dokes
Richie Hawtin (TBC)
Rich Medina
Rolando
Ron Trent
Sans Soliel
Scott Zacharias
Shake
Slum Village
Spacek
Stacey Hale
Stacy Pullen
Sysmanski
Tamion 12"
The 3 Chairs
Theo Parrish
Thinkbox
Thomas Fehlmann
Timespace
Ursula Rucker
Vikter Duplaix
Wolf Eyes
Aardvark
Alden Tyrell live
Amp Fiddler live
Barbara Preisinger
Biological Live
Camp Amp DJs
Claude Young
Cloud 9
Danny Krivit
Derek Plaslaiko
Kevin Reynolds
Kevin Saunderson
Language
Legowelt
Louis Haiman
Madlib and PBW ft Jay Dee
Malik Alston Painted Pictures
Marques Wyatt
McKay
Mike Geiger
DJ Cosmo
DJ Genesis live
DJ Nova
Duplex Live
Ellen Allien
Fat Freddy's Drop
Francois K
Garth Trinidad
Goldfinger (AML)
Greg Mudge
Groove Junkies
Heiroglyphic being
Highfish
Jeannie Hopper
Joris Voorn live
Kai Alce
Kelvin Larkin
Kenny Larkin
Mike Grant
Mike Huckaby
Novamen Live dutch
Osunlade Live
Ramon
Recloose
Red Nose Distrikt
Reel People
Remy
Rockid (DMC Champion)
Rolando
Ron Trent
sean deason
Shortround
Stacey Pullen
Tortured Soul Live
Wajeed
DJ Shortround
DJ Marquis
The Surgeon
Pirahnahead
John Collins
Aaron Carl Live
Mike Huckaby
Minx & Genesis 4 Turntables
Fabrice Lig
Aril Brikha Live
Green Velvet-live
James Pennington
Dwayne Jenson
Driving Soul
Eric Johnson
Keith Worthy
Kevin Dysard
Dj 3000
Dj Dex
John Tejada
Quentin Harris
KDJ Live
Tony Ollivierra
Electrofunk Live
Drew Maddox
Tony Zadonia
Egg Live
J. Hunsberger Live
Mike Shannon Dj/Live
Jeff Milligan
Pheek (Live)
Akufen
Orgue Electronique
Luke Eargoggle
Cosmic Force [live]
Legowelt
Bangkok Impact [live]
Detroit In Effect
Serge
Dj TLR
3 Degrees
Brown Brothers
Dj Fingers
Strand Live
Dj Zapp
Scan 7 Live
Slum Village Live
Aux 88
Buzz Goree
Stacey Pullen
Model 500 Live
Kevin Saunderson
Tonka
E. Spleece
Houseshoes
Wasted Youth
DJ Cloud 9
Invincible & Finale
Dj Dez
ONEBELO
12 Tek Mob
Athletic Mic League
Chuck Flask (dj/live)
Tom Newman (dj/live)
Trish
Bryan Zentz
Marco Corrola
Christian Smith
Ben Simms
Michel de Hey
Mistress Barbara
Adem Beyer
Raiders Of The Lost Arp
Mat 101
Marco Passarini
Kiko
Ruben Montesco
Water Lilly
Savas Pascalidis
Alexander Robotnick
Kim James
Dj Digital
T

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

this is exactly what a list of non-detroit artists should look like at
a detroit festival. we dont need no booka shade!

tom

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> found this via "wayback machine"
>
>  line-up for 2001 (seems partial to me but maybe not)
>  I think I might have a schedule from the very first one kicking around in a
>  box @ home
>
>  Official lineup in alphabetical order.
>
>  Afronaught
>  Alton Miller
>  Autechre
>  Ayro
>  Binary Star
>  Carl Cox
>  Common Factor
>  Dark River Collective
>  De La Soul
>  Deity
>  Delano Smith
>  Derrick Carter
>  Derrick May
>  dj b"len"d
>  dj Di'jital
>  dj Genesis
>  djxdj
>  doc martin
>  Don Q
>  Drumr
>  Dwele
>  Francisco Mora's Outerzone band
>  Funk D'Void
>  Gilb-r
>  Glenn Underground
>  Halon
>  I:Cube
>  Ibex
>  Inner City
>  Jay Denham
>  Jazzanova
>  Jim Masters
>  John Acquaviva
>  John Briggs
>  Juan Atkins
>  Keith Worthy
>  Kelli Hand
>  Kenny Larkin
>  Kevin Reynolds
>  Kikoman
>  Kirk Degiorgio
>  Kid Koala
>  Kit Clayton
>  Kooky Scientist
>  Laughing Gas
>  Laurent Garnier live
>  Legal Alien
>  LTJ bukem/MC Conrad
>  Maersk
>  Mark D'clive Lowe
>  Mark Farina
>  Michael Geiger
>  Mirko & N Twan
>  Mitch Walcott
>  Mixmaster Mike
>  Norm Talley
>  Norma Jean Bell
>  Oliver Barkovic
>  Optic Nerve
>  P'taah
>  Patrick Russell
>  Perspects
>  Quaker Cage
>  Random Noise Generation
>  Rick Wilhite
>  Saul Williams
>  Slam
>  Stacey Pullen
>  Strand & Shake
>  Sudden
>  Suburban Knight
>  Tadd Mullinix
>  Terrence Parker
>  Titonton
>  Todd Sines
>  Tortoise
>
>

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

found this via "wayback machine"

line-up for 2001 (seems partial to me but maybe not)
I think I might have a schedule from the very first one kicking around in a
box @ home

Official lineup in alphabetical order.

Afronaught
Alton Miller
Autechre
Ayro
Binary Star
Carl Cox
Common Factor
Dark River Collective
De La Soul
Deity
Delano Smith
Derrick Carter
Derrick May
dj b"len"d
dj Di'jital
dj Genesis
djxdj
doc martin
Don Q
Drumr
Dwele
Francisco Mora's Outerzone band
Funk D'Void
Gilb-r
Glenn Underground
Halon
I:Cube
Ibex
Inner City
Jay Denham
Jazzanova
Jim Masters
John Acquaviva
John Briggs
Juan Atkins
Keith Worthy
Kelli Hand
Kenny Larkin
Kevin Reynolds
Kikoman
Kirk Degiorgio
Kid Koala
Kit Clayton
Kooky Scientist
Laughing Gas
Laurent Garnier live
Legal Alien
LTJ bukem/MC Conrad
Maersk
Mark D'clive Lowe
Mark Farina
Michael Geiger
Mirko & N Twan
Mitch Walcott
Mixmaster Mike
Norm Talley
Norma Jean Bell
Oliver Barkovic
Optic Nerve
P'taah
Patrick Russell
Perspects
Quaker Cage
Random Noise Generation
Rick Wilhite
Saul Williams
Slam
Stacey Pullen
Strand & Shake
Sudden
Suburban Knight
Tadd Mullinix
Terrence Parker
Titonton
Todd Sines
Tortoise

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  that would be ideal, yes, but i'd bet that what has really happened is
>  that the overall number of performers has increased, while the detroit
>  representation has stayed about the same.  and, realistically, i think
>  the problem is that there are just a finite number of people djing and
>  making music in detroit.

it might be finite, but there is still room for alot of great people
who havent played as well as repeat performances by some of the better
ones.

>  it is a crime, however, that rob hood has only been booked
>  once.  and derrick and jeff have only played once as well.

miss closed out the festival twice, 03 and last year. derrick has
played at least 2 or 3 times that i can think of. that list was not
exactly accurate i guess.

tom

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > the facts:
>  >
>  >  only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
>  >  years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
>  >  of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
>  >  detroit (80%)
>
>  what we need is the percentages by year to see what the breakdown is
>  like. my personal favorite year was 03 (i missed the first 3 though)
>  and that one had to have been like 75% detroit area artists.
>

that would be ideal, yes, but i'd bet that what has really happened is
that the overall number of performers has increased, while the detroit
representation has stayed about the same.  and, realistically, i think
the problem is that there are just a finite number of people djing and
making music in detroit.  hence KMS getting booked a ridiculous five
times.  it is a crime, however, that rob hood has only been booked
once.  and derrick and jeff have only played once as well.

>
>  >  Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
>  >  Huckaby have each played four times.
>
>  WTF on saunderson 5 times, grant and huck deserve to play every year!
>
>  tom
>



-- 
peace,

frank

dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

kent when are you going to ban this asswipe from the list?  at least
that douchebag from germany who you banned was posting music related
content.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sounds good to me.  1/3 detroit, 2/3 other.
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org>
>  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:53 PM
>  Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
>
>
>  > the facts:
>  >
>  > only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
>  > years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
>  > of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
>  > detroit (80%)
>  >
>  > Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
>  > Huckaby have each played four times.
>  >
>  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Todd Sines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton
>  >>  and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)
>  >>
>  >>  Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there
>  >>  4 times.. did he really play 4 times?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  +odd
>  >>  --
>  >>  On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:
>  >>
>  >>  > are u sure you got them all? ;)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> >
>  >>  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
>  >>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>  >> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  >>  >>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  >>  >>  want it.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the
>  >>  >> festival
>  >>  >>  in years past.
>  >>  >>  ADULT
>  >>  >>  JOHN ARNOLD
>  >>  >>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  >>  >>  JUAN ATKINS
>  >>  >>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  >>  >>  SLUM VILLAGE
>  >>  >>  BILL VANLOO
>  >>  >>  KENNY LARKIN
>  >>  >>  BONE
>  >>  >>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  >>  >>  KELVIN LARKIN
>  >>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  >>  >>  BUZZ GOREE
>  >>  >>  LAUREN FLAX
>  >>  >>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  >>  >>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  >>  >>  CASH MONEY
>  >>  >>  LEN SWAN
>  >>  >>  CRAIG TABORN
>  >>  >>  MAGDA
>  >>  >>  DBX
>  >>  >>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  >>  >>  DEGO
>  >>  >>  MIKE GRANT
>  >>  >>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  >>  >>  MIKE HUCKABY
>  >>  >>  DERRICK MAY
>  >>  >>  MINX
>  >>  >>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  >>  >>  MOS DEF
>  >>  >>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  >>  >>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  >>  >>  DJ SPOOKY
>  >>  >>  RECLOOSE
>  >>  >>  DJ ASSAULT
>  >>  >>  RICHIE HAWTIN
>  >>  >>  DOUBLE HELIX
>  >>  >>  ROLANDO
>  >>  >>  D.WYNN
>  >>  >>  RONIN
>  >>  >>  DYKEHOUSE
>  >>  >>  THE ROOTS
>  >>  >>  ECTOMORPH
>  >>  >>  SCAN 7
>  >>  >>  FANON FLOWERS
>  >>  >>  SHAKE
>  >>  >>  GARY CHANDLER
>  >>  >>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  >>  >>  DJ GODFATHER
>  >>  >>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  >>  >>  HANNAH
>  >>  >>  STACEY PULLEN
>  >>  >>  HOUSESHOES
>  >>  >>  THEO PARRISH
>  >>  >>  SEAN DEASON
>  >>  >>  THEOREM
>  >>  >>  JASON HOGANS
>  >>  >>  TIKIMAN
>  >>  >>  JEFF KAROLSKI
>  >>  >>  URBAN TRIBE
>  >>  >>  VITREOUS FLUX
>  >>  >>  CLARK WARNER
>  >>  >>  WILD PLANET
>  >>  >>  ALAN ESTER
>  >>  >>  EDDIE FOWLKES
>  >>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  >>  >>  PHAT KAT
>  >>  >>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  >>  >>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  >>  >>  Sundiata
>  >>  >>  Chad Novak
>  >>  >&g

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the facts:
>
>  only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
>  years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
>  of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
>  detroit (80%)

what we need is the percentages by year to see what the breakdown is
like. my personal favorite year was 03 (i missed the first 3 though)
and that one had to have been like 75% detroit area artists.

>  Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
>  Huckaby have each played four times.

WTF on saunderson 5 times, grant and huck deserve to play every year!

tom

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[/0]

sounds good to me.  1/3 detroit, 2/3 other.


- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008



the facts:

only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
detroit (80%)

Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
Huckaby have each played four times.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Todd Sines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton
 and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)

 Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there
 4 times.. did he really play 4 times?


 +odd
 --
 On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:

 > are u sure you got them all? ;)


>
 > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
 >>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
 >>  want it.
 >>
 >>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the
 >> festival
 >>  in years past.
 >>  ADULT
 >>  JOHN ARNOLD
 >>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
 >>  JUAN ATKINS
 >>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
 >>  SLUM VILLAGE
 >>  BILL VANLOO
 >>  KENNY LARKIN
 >>  BONE
 >>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
 >>  KELVIN LARKIN
 >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
 >>  BUZZ GOREE
 >>  LAUREN FLAX
 >>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
 >>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
 >>  CASH MONEY
 >>  LEN SWAN
 >>  CRAIG TABORN
 >>  MAGDA
 >>  DBX
 >>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
 >>  DEGO
 >>  MIKE GRANT
 >>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
 >>  MIKE HUCKABY
 >>  DERRICK MAY
 >>  MINX
 >>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
 >>  MOS DEF
 >>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
 >>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
 >>  DJ SPOOKY
 >>  RECLOOSE
 >>  DJ ASSAULT
 >>  RICHIE HAWTIN
 >>  DOUBLE HELIX
 >>  ROLANDO
 >>  D.WYNN
 >>  RONIN
 >>  DYKEHOUSE
 >>  THE ROOTS
 >>  ECTOMORPH
 >>  SCAN 7
 >>  FANON FLOWERS
 >>  SHAKE
 >>  GARY CHANDLER
 >>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
 >>  DJ GODFATHER
 >>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
 >>  HANNAH
 >>  STACEY PULLEN
 >>  HOUSESHOES
 >>  THEO PARRISH
 >>  SEAN DEASON
 >>  THEOREM
 >>  JASON HOGANS
 >>  TIKIMAN
 >>  JEFF KAROLSKI
 >>  URBAN TRIBE
 >>  VITREOUS FLUX
 >>  CLARK WARNER
 >>  WILD PLANET
 >>  ALAN ESTER
 >>  EDDIE FOWLKES
 >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
 >>  PHAT KAT
 >>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
 >>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
 >>  Sundiata
 >>  Chad Novak
 >>  Electric Indigo
 >>  Heather Heart
 >>  Gene Farris
 >>  DJ Zap
 >>  Mike Grant
 >>  Steve Rachmad
 >>  Dave Angel
 >>  Kevin Saunderson
 >>  Juan Atkins
 >>  Shorty
 >>  Erotek (live)
 >>  John Collins
 >>  Mad Professor(live)
 >>  Reggie Curry
 >>  T.Linder
 >>  Bill Beaver(live)
 >>  DeepChord(live)
 >>  Scott Grooves (dj & live)
 >>  Jon Tejada
 >>  Boo Williams
 >>  Cas Roc
 >>  Frankie Knuckles
 >>  DJ Shadow
 >>  Sarena Tyler
 >>  X - Ecutioners
 >>  Adam X
 >>  Black Eyed Peas
 >>  Bryan Zentz
 >>  Blake Baxter
 >>  Roni Size
 >>  Eddie Fowlkes
 >>  Mike Dearborn
 >>  George Clinton
 >>  Art Payne/ Keith Martin
 >>  Gary Martin
 >>  Rick Wade
 >>  Stewart Walker(live)
 >>  Paul Johnson
 >>  Drexciya
 >>  Ethan Kline
 >>  Derrick Thompson
 >>  Kenny Dope
 >>  Chaos (live)
 >>  Bone
 >>  Dave Clark
 >>  Roy Davis, Jr.
 >>  Dennis Cox
 >>  Green Velvet(live)
 >>  Frankie Bones
 >>  K.Hand
 >>  Advent( Live)
 >>  DJ Funk
 >>  Rob Hood
 >>  Colin Dale
 >>  A Number of Names(live)
 >>  Dwayne Jensen
 >>  Steve Tang
 >>  Greg Collier
 >>  Matt Clark
 >>  Melvin Hill
 >>  Black Bottom Collective(live)
 >>  Mike Huckaby
 >>  DJ Dangerous
 >>  Ron Carroll
 >>  T-1000
 >>  Traxx
 >>  Adam Goldstone
 >>  Akufen - Live
 >>  Alder and Elias
 >>  Amp Fiddler
 >>  Andres
 >>  Aril Brikha
 >>  Ayro
 >>  Ben Bracken
 >>  Blaze (TBC)
 >>  Brad Hales
 &

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

er i meant seven years, duh

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the facts:
>
>  only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
>  years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
>  of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
>  detroit (80%)
>
>  Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
>  Huckaby have each played four times.
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Todd Sines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton
>  >  and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)
>  >
>  >  Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there
>  >  4 times.. did he really play 4 times?
>  >
>  >
>  >  +odd
>  >  --
>  >  On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:
>  >
>  >  > are u sure you got them all? ;)
>  >
>  >
>  > >
>  >  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
>  >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  >> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  >  >>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  >  >>  want it.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the
>  >  >> festival
>  >  >>  in years past.
>  >  >>  ADULT
>  >  >>  JOHN ARNOLD
>  >  >>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  >  >>  JUAN ATKINS
>  >  >>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  >  >>  SLUM VILLAGE
>  >  >>  BILL VANLOO
>  >  >>  KENNY LARKIN
>  >  >>  BONE
>  >  >>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  >  >>  KELVIN LARKIN
>  >  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  >  >>  BUZZ GOREE
>  >  >>  LAUREN FLAX
>  >  >>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  >  >>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  >  >>  CASH MONEY
>  >  >>  LEN SWAN
>  >  >>  CRAIG TABORN
>  >  >>  MAGDA
>  >  >>  DBX
>  >  >>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  >  >>  DEGO
>  >  >>  MIKE GRANT
>  >  >>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  >  >>  MIKE HUCKABY
>  >  >>  DERRICK MAY
>  >  >>  MINX
>  >  >>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  >  >>  MOS DEF
>  >  >>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  >  >>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  >  >>  DJ SPOOKY
>  >  >>  RECLOOSE
>  >  >>  DJ ASSAULT
>  >  >>  RICHIE HAWTIN
>  >  >>  DOUBLE HELIX
>  >  >>  ROLANDO
>  >  >>  D.WYNN
>  >  >>  RONIN
>  >  >>  DYKEHOUSE
>  >  >>  THE ROOTS
>  >  >>  ECTOMORPH
>  >  >>  SCAN 7
>  >  >>  FANON FLOWERS
>  >  >>  SHAKE
>  >  >>  GARY CHANDLER
>  >  >>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  >  >>  DJ GODFATHER
>  >  >>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  >  >>  HANNAH
>  >  >>  STACEY PULLEN
>  >  >>  HOUSESHOES
>  >  >>  THEO PARRISH
>  >  >>  SEAN DEASON
>  >  >>  THEOREM
>  >  >>  JASON HOGANS
>  >  >>  TIKIMAN
>  >  >>  JEFF KAROLSKI
>  >  >>  URBAN TRIBE
>  >  >>  VITREOUS FLUX
>  >  >>  CLARK WARNER
>  >  >>  WILD PLANET
>  >  >>  ALAN ESTER
>  >  >>  EDDIE FOWLKES
>  >  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  >  >>  PHAT KAT
>  >  >>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  >  >>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  >  >>  Sundiata
>  >  >>  Chad Novak
>  >  >>  Electric Indigo
>  >  >>  Heather Heart
>  >  >>  Gene Farris
>  >  >>  DJ Zap
>  >  >>  Mike Grant
>  >  >>  Steve Rachmad
>  >  >>  Dave Angel
>  >  >>  Kevin Saunderson
>  >  >>  Juan Atkins
>  >  >>  Shorty
>  >  >>  Erotek (live)
>  >  >>  John Collins
>  >  >>  Mad Professor(live)
>  >  >>  Reggie Curry
>  >  >>  T.Linder
>  >  >>  Bill Beaver(live)
>  >  >>  DeepChord(live)
>  >  >>  Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  >  >>  Jon Tejada
>  >  >>  Boo Williams
>  >  >>  Cas Roc
>  >  >>  Frankie Knuckles
>  >  >>  DJ Shadow
>  >  >>  Sarena Tyler
>  >  >>  X - Ecutioners
>  >  >>  Adam X
>  >  >>  Black Eyed Peas
>  >  >>  Bryan Zentz
>  >  >>  Blake Baxter
>  >  >>  Roni Size
>  >  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >  >>  Mike Dearborn
>  >  >>  George Clinton
>  >  >>  Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  >  >>  Gary Martin
>  >  >>  Rick Wade
>  >  >>  Stewart Walker(live)
>  >  >>  Paul Johnson
>  >  >>  Drexciya
>  >  >>  Ethan Kline
>  >  >>  Derrick Thompson
>  >  >>  Kenny Dope
>  >  >>  Chaos (live)
>  >  >>  Bone
>  >  >>  Dave Clark
>  >  >>  Roy Davis, Jr.
>  >  >>  Dennis Cox
>  >  >>  Green Velvet(live)
>  >  >>  Frankie Bones
>  >  >>  K.Hand
>  >  >>  Advent( Live)
>  >  >>  DJ Funk
>  >  >>  Rob Hood
>  >  >>  Colin Dale
>  >  >>  A Number of Names(live)
>  >  >>  Dwayne Jensen
>  >  >>  Steve Tang
>  >  >>  Greg Collier
>  >  >>  Matt Clark
>  >  >>  Melvin Hill
>  >  >>  Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  >  >>  Mike Huckaby
>  >  >>  DJ Dangerous
>  >  >>  Ron Carroll
>  >  >>  T-1000
>  >  >>  Traxx
>  >  >>  Adam Goldstone
>  >  >>  Akufen - Live
>  >  >>  Alder and Elias
>  >  >>  Amp Fiddler
>  >  >>  Andres
>  >  >>  Aril Brikha
>  >  >>  Ayro
>  >  >>  Ben Bracken
>  >  >>  Blaze (TBC)
>  >  >>  Brad Hales
>  >  >>  Buzz Gorree
>  >  >>  Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  >  >>  Carlos Souffront
>  >  >>  Clark Warner
>  >  >>  Dale Lawrence
>  >  >>  Danny Krivit
>  >  >>  Delano Smith
>  >  >>  DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  >  >>  Double Helix
>  >  >>  Dwele
>  >  >>  D Wynn
>  >  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >  >>  ES

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

the facts:

only 114 (36%) of the 315 individual performers over the last eight
years (perhaps excluding 2001) have been from the detroit area
of the 48 or so who have performed more than once, 38 have been from
detroit (80%)

Kevin Saunderson has played five times, and Mike Grant and Mike
Huckaby have each played four times.

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Todd Sines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton
>  and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)
>
>  Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there
>  4 times.. did he really play 4 times?
>
>
>  +odd
>  --
>  On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:
>
>  > are u sure you got them all? ;)
>
>
> >
>  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  >>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  >>  want it.
>  >>
>  >>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the
>  >> festival
>  >>  in years past.
>  >>  ADULT
>  >>  JOHN ARNOLD
>  >>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  >>  JUAN ATKINS
>  >>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  >>  SLUM VILLAGE
>  >>  BILL VANLOO
>  >>  KENNY LARKIN
>  >>  BONE
>  >>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  >>  KELVIN LARKIN
>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  >>  BUZZ GOREE
>  >>  LAUREN FLAX
>  >>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  >>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  >>  CASH MONEY
>  >>  LEN SWAN
>  >>  CRAIG TABORN
>  >>  MAGDA
>  >>  DBX
>  >>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  >>  DEGO
>  >>  MIKE GRANT
>  >>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  >>  MIKE HUCKABY
>  >>  DERRICK MAY
>  >>  MINX
>  >>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  >>  MOS DEF
>  >>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  >>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  >>  DJ SPOOKY
>  >>  RECLOOSE
>  >>  DJ ASSAULT
>  >>  RICHIE HAWTIN
>  >>  DOUBLE HELIX
>  >>  ROLANDO
>  >>  D.WYNN
>  >>  RONIN
>  >>  DYKEHOUSE
>  >>  THE ROOTS
>  >>  ECTOMORPH
>  >>  SCAN 7
>  >>  FANON FLOWERS
>  >>  SHAKE
>  >>  GARY CHANDLER
>  >>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  >>  DJ GODFATHER
>  >>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  >>  HANNAH
>  >>  STACEY PULLEN
>  >>  HOUSESHOES
>  >>  THEO PARRISH
>  >>  SEAN DEASON
>  >>  THEOREM
>  >>  JASON HOGANS
>  >>  TIKIMAN
>  >>  JEFF KAROLSKI
>  >>  URBAN TRIBE
>  >>  VITREOUS FLUX
>  >>  CLARK WARNER
>  >>  WILD PLANET
>  >>  ALAN ESTER
>  >>  EDDIE FOWLKES
>  >>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  >>  PHAT KAT
>  >>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  >>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  >>  Sundiata
>  >>  Chad Novak
>  >>  Electric Indigo
>  >>  Heather Heart
>  >>  Gene Farris
>  >>  DJ Zap
>  >>  Mike Grant
>  >>  Steve Rachmad
>  >>  Dave Angel
>  >>  Kevin Saunderson
>  >>  Juan Atkins
>  >>  Shorty
>  >>  Erotek (live)
>  >>  John Collins
>  >>  Mad Professor(live)
>  >>  Reggie Curry
>  >>  T.Linder
>  >>  Bill Beaver(live)
>  >>  DeepChord(live)
>  >>  Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  >>  Jon Tejada
>  >>  Boo Williams
>  >>  Cas Roc
>  >>  Frankie Knuckles
>  >>  DJ Shadow
>  >>  Sarena Tyler
>  >>  X - Ecutioners
>  >>  Adam X
>  >>  Black Eyed Peas
>  >>  Bryan Zentz
>  >>  Blake Baxter
>  >>  Roni Size
>  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >>  Mike Dearborn
>  >>  George Clinton
>  >>  Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  >>  Gary Martin
>  >>  Rick Wade
>  >>  Stewart Walker(live)
>  >>  Paul Johnson
>  >>  Drexciya
>  >>  Ethan Kline
>  >>  Derrick Thompson
>  >>  Kenny Dope
>  >>  Chaos (live)
>  >>  Bone
>  >>  Dave Clark
>  >>  Roy Davis, Jr.
>  >>  Dennis Cox
>  >>  Green Velvet(live)
>  >>  Frankie Bones
>  >>  K.Hand
>  >>  Advent( Live)
>  >>  DJ Funk
>  >>  Rob Hood
>  >>  Colin Dale
>  >>  A Number of Names(live)
>  >>  Dwayne Jensen
>  >>  Steve Tang
>  >>  Greg Collier
>  >>  Matt Clark
>  >>  Melvin Hill
>  >>  Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  >>  Mike Huckaby
>  >>  DJ Dangerous
>  >>  Ron Carroll
>  >>  T-1000
>  >>  Traxx
>  >>  Adam Goldstone
>  >>  Akufen - Live
>  >>  Alder and Elias
>  >>  Amp Fiddler
>  >>  Andres
>  >>  Aril Brikha
>  >>  Ayro
>  >>  Ben Bracken
>  >>  Blaze (TBC)
>  >>  Brad Hales
>  >>  Buzz Gorree
>  >>  Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  >>  Carlos Souffront
>  >>  Clark Warner
>  >>  Dale Lawrence
>  >>  Danny Krivit
>  >>  Delano Smith
>  >>  DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  >>  Double Helix
>  >>  Dwele
>  >>  D Wynn
>  >>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  >>  ESG
>  >>  Francois K
>  >>  Fusion
>  >>  DJ Genesis
>  >>  Grandwizzard Theodore
>  >>  Jazzy Jay
>  >>  Jeff Mills
>  >>  Jimmy Edgar
>  >>  John Arnold
>  >>  John Beltran
>  >>  Juan Atkins
>  >>  Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
>  >>  K-Hand
>  >>  Kid 606
>  >>  Korie
>  >>  Liquid Liquid
>  >>  Magda
>  >>  Marcellus Pitman
>  >>  Matthew Dear
>  >>  Mike Clark
>  >>  Mike Grant
>  >>  Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
>  >>  Niko Marks (TBC)
>  >>  Norma Jean Bell
>  >>  Norm Talley
>  >>  Persona
>  >>  Perspects
>  >>  Peven Everett
>  >>  Pole
>  >>  Reese Project
>  >>  Reggie Dokes
>  >>  Richie Hawtin (TBC)
>  >>  Rich Medina
>  >>  Rolando
>  >>  Ron Trent
>  >

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Todd Sines]

actually, you didn't. I know at least Autechre, Kit Clayton, Titonton  
and myself played the second year at the underground stage. ;)


Looks like most of 2001 was omitted; and yet Kenny Larkin is on there  
4 times.. did he really play 4 times?



+odd
--
On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Southern Outpost wrote:


are u sure you got them all? ;)

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
 played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
 want it.

 Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the  
festival

 in years past.
 ADULT
 JOHN ARNOLD
 A GUY CALLED GERALD
 JUAN ATKINS
 ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
 SLUM VILLAGE
 BILL VANLOO
 KENNY LARKIN
 BONE
 KEVIN SAUNDERSON
 KELVIN LARKIN
 LACKSIDAISYCAL
 BUZZ GOREE
 LAUREN FLAX
 CARLOS SOUFFRONT
 SCOTT ZACHERIAS
 CASH MONEY
 LEN SWAN
 CRAIG TABORN
 MAGDA
 DBX
 MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
 DEGO
 MIKE GRANT
 DEREK PLASLAIKO
 MIKE HUCKABY
 DERRICK MAY
 MINX
 DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
 MOS DEF
 DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
 OSCAR MCMILLAN
 DJ SPOOKY
 RECLOOSE
 DJ ASSAULT
 RICHIE HAWTIN
 DOUBLE HELIX
 ROLANDO
 D.WYNN
 RONIN
 DYKEHOUSE
 THE ROOTS
 ECTOMORPH
 SCAN 7
 FANON FLOWERS
 SHAKE
 GARY CHANDLER
 SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
 DJ GODFATHER
 SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
 HANNAH
 STACEY PULLEN
 HOUSESHOES
 THEO PARRISH
 SEAN DEASON
 THEOREM
 JASON HOGANS
 TIKIMAN
 JEFF KAROLSKI
 URBAN TRIBE
 VITREOUS FLUX
 CLARK WARNER
 WILD PLANET
 ALAN ESTER
 EDDIE FOWLKES
 LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
 PHAT KAT
 RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
 STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
 Sundiata
 Chad Novak
 Electric Indigo
 Heather Heart
 Gene Farris
 DJ Zap
 Mike Grant
 Steve Rachmad
 Dave Angel
 Kevin Saunderson
 Juan Atkins
 Shorty
 Erotek (live)
 John Collins
 Mad Professor(live)
 Reggie Curry
 T.Linder
 Bill Beaver(live)
 DeepChord(live)
 Scott Grooves (dj & live)
 Jon Tejada
 Boo Williams
 Cas Roc
 Frankie Knuckles
 DJ Shadow
 Sarena Tyler
 X - Ecutioners
 Adam X
 Black Eyed Peas
 Bryan Zentz
 Blake Baxter
 Roni Size
 Eddie Fowlkes
 Mike Dearborn
 George Clinton
 Art Payne/ Keith Martin
 Gary Martin
 Rick Wade
 Stewart Walker(live)
 Paul Johnson
 Drexciya
 Ethan Kline
 Derrick Thompson
 Kenny Dope
 Chaos (live)
 Bone
 Dave Clark
 Roy Davis, Jr.
 Dennis Cox
 Green Velvet(live)
 Frankie Bones
 K.Hand
 Advent( Live)
 DJ Funk
 Rob Hood
 Colin Dale
 A Number of Names(live)
 Dwayne Jensen
 Steve Tang
 Greg Collier
 Matt Clark
 Melvin Hill
 Black Bottom Collective(live)
 Mike Huckaby
 DJ Dangerous
 Ron Carroll
 T-1000
 Traxx
 Adam Goldstone
 Akufen - Live
 Alder and Elias
 Amp Fiddler
 Andres
 Aril Brikha
 Ayro
 Ben Bracken
 Blaze (TBC)
 Brad Hales
 Buzz Gorree
 Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
 Carlos Souffront
 Clark Warner
 Dale Lawrence
 Danny Krivit
 Delano Smith
 DJ Spinna (TBC)
 Double Helix
 Dwele
 D Wynn
 Eddie Fowlkes
 ESG
 Francois K
 Fusion
 DJ Genesis
 Grandwizzard Theodore
 Jazzy Jay
 Jeff Mills
 Jimmy Edgar
 John Arnold
 John Beltran
 Juan Atkins
 Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
 K-Hand
 Kid 606
 Korie
 Liquid Liquid
 Magda
 Marcellus Pitman
 Matthew Dear
 Mike Clark
 Mike Grant
 Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
 Niko Marks (TBC)
 Norma Jean Bell
 Norm Talley
 Persona
 Perspects
 Peven Everett
 Pole
 Reese Project
 Reggie Dokes
 Richie Hawtin (TBC)
 Rich Medina
 Rolando
 Ron Trent
 Sans Soliel
 Scott Zacharias
 Shake
 Slum Village
 Spacek
 Stacey Hale
 Stacy Pullen
 Sysmanski
 Tamion 12"
 The 3 Chairs
 Theo Parrish
 Thinkbox
 Thomas Fehlmann
 Timespace
 Ursula Rucker
 Vikter Duplaix
 Wolf Eyes
 Aardvark
 Alden Tyrell live
 Amp Fiddler live
 Barbara Preisinger
 Biological Live
 Camp Amp DJs
 Claude Young
 Cloud 9
 Danny Krivit
 Derek Plaslaiko
 Kevin Reynolds
 Kevin Saunderson
 Language
 Legowelt
 Louis Haiman
 Madlib and PBW ft Jay Dee
 Malik Alston Painted Pictures
 Marques Wyatt
 McKay
 Mike Geiger
 DJ Cosmo
 DJ Genesis live
 DJ Nova
 Duplex Live
 Ellen Allien
 Fat Freddy's Drop
 Francois K
 Garth Trinidad
 Goldfinger (AML)
 Greg Mudge
 Groove Junkies
 Heiroglyphic being
 Highfish
 Jeannie Hopper
 Joris Voorn live
 Kai Alce
 Kelvin Larkin
 Kenny Larkin
 Mike Grant
 Mike Huckaby
 Novamen Live dutch
 Osunlade Live
 Ramon
 Recloose
 Red Nose Distrikt
 Reel People
 Remy
 Rockid (DMC Champion)
 Rolando
 Ron Trent
 sean deason
 Shortround
 Stacey Pullen
 Tortured Soul Live
 Wajeed
 DJ Shortround
 DJ Marquis
 The Surgeon
 Pirahnahead
 John Collins
 Aaron Carl Live
 Mike Huckaby
 Minx & Genesis 4 Turntables
 Fabrice Lig
 Aril Brikha Live
 Green Velvet-live
 James Pennington
 Dwayne Jenson
 Driving Soul
 Eric Johnson
 Keith Worthy
 Kevin Dysard
 Dj 3000
 Dj Dex
 John Tejada
 Quentin Harris
 KDJ Live
 Tony Ollivierra
 Electrofunk Live
 Drew Maddox
 Tony Zadonia
 Egg Live
 J. Hunsberger Live
 Mike Shannon Dj/Live
 Jeff Milligan
 Pheek (Live)
 Akufen
 Orgue Electronique
 Luke Eargoggle
 Cosmic Force [live]
 Legowelt
 Bangkok Impact [live]
 Detroit In Effect
 Serge
 Dj TLR
 3 Degrees
 Brown Brothers
 Dj 

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So JT, in 2 different posts you're basically admitting that you
>  didn't go to the festival either last year or the year before?
>
>  If so, you've automatically lost your right to bitch about it.

incorrect.

>  Detroit, to me, is not a festival.
>
>  Detroit is a pilgrimage to Mecca.
>
>  Detroit is about reuniting with good friends, the vast
>  majority of whom I have met through this list.
>
>  It's about eating in Greektown or Mexicantown.
>
>  It's about (313) list BBQs at Dennis Donohue's old place.
>
>  Or at Ian & Linda's.
>
>  It's about going to Record Time.
>
>  It's about cruising around Belle Isle.
>
>  It's about going to see what's new at the Heidelberg Project.
>
>  It's about peeking in the foyers of those beautiful old Deco
>  buildings downtown.
>
>  And it's about the surreal experiences, the Only In Detroit
>  moments.  Like coming out of Juan's crib at 6:00 AM and thinking,
>  "F--k, I was just in Juan Atkins' basement."  Or being in a gallery
>  in Eastern Market and seeing couples freaking on the dancefloor.
>  To Rolando.
>
>  Yeah.  Let's see you get that kind of experience at
>  

note that none of this has to do with the actual festival. the music
quality for the festival keeps going down.

>  You can always find more good music than you have time to see
>  (hello, afterparties?) anyways.  I spend far more time going
>  to hear music in Detroit than I do when I'm in, say, Barcelona.
>  When I hear you all bitch and moan about the festival having
>  gone to the dogs (er, candy ravers), you just make me laugh.

im only laughing at your haircut.

>  The bottom line for me is that I am firmly convinced that you
>  cannot possibly have more fun than you can have in Detroit
>  over Memorial Day weekend.  Paxahau or no Paxahau.

unquestionably this is possible for those of us like the very small
number of people on this list. for other people who dont know about
the extras, they are never going to find out because they can get a
better festival lineup closer to home with more advance preparation.
so what good is that? i like chilling with the heads, but surely it is
better to actually spread the experience around.

>  Anyone who makes their decision to go or not go to Detroit
>  based on the festival lineup is, as my brother would say,
>  "Unclear on the concept".

of course they are, but the number of people who ARE clear on the
concept is very very small.

tom

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Greg Earle]

So JT, in 2 different posts you're basically admitting that you
didn't go to the festival either last year or the year before?

If so, you've automatically lost your right to bitch about it.

Detroit, to me, is not a festival.

Detroit is a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Detroit is about reuniting with good friends, the vast
majority of whom I have met through this list.

It's about eating in Greektown or Mexicantown.

It's about (313) list BBQs at Dennis Donohue's old place.

Or at Ian & Linda's.

It's about going to Record Time.

It's about cruising around Belle Isle.

It's about going to see what's new at the Heidelberg Project.

It's about peeking in the foyers of those beautiful old Deco
buildings downtown.

And it's about the surreal experiences, the Only In Detroit
moments.  Like coming out of Juan's crib at 6:00 AM and thinking,
"F--k, I was just in Juan Atkins' basement."  Or being in a gallery
in Eastern Market and seeing couples freaking on the dancefloor.
To Rolando.

Yeah.  Let's see you get that kind of experience at


You can always find more good music than you have time to see
(hello, afterparties?) anyways.  I spend far more time going
to hear music in Detroit than I do when I'm in, say, Barcelona.
When I hear you all bitch and moan about the festival having
gone to the dogs (er, candy ravers), you just make me laugh.

The bottom line for me is that I am firmly convinced that you
cannot possibly have more fun than you can have in Detroit
over Memorial Day weekend.  Paxahau or no Paxahau.

Anyone who makes their decision to go or not go to Detroit
based on the festival lineup is, as my brother would say,
"Unclear on the concept".

- Greg

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Southern Outpost]

are u sure you got them all? ;)

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
>  played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
>  want it.
>
>  Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
>  in years past.
>  ADULT
>  JOHN ARNOLD
>  A GUY CALLED GERALD
>  JUAN ATKINS
>  ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
>  SLUM VILLAGE
>  BILL VANLOO
>  KENNY LARKIN
>  BONE
>  KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>  KELVIN LARKIN
>  LACKSIDAISYCAL
>  BUZZ GOREE
>  LAUREN FLAX
>  CARLOS SOUFFRONT
>  SCOTT ZACHERIAS
>  CASH MONEY
>  LEN SWAN
>  CRAIG TABORN
>  MAGDA
>  DBX
>  MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
>  DEGO
>  MIKE GRANT
>  DEREK PLASLAIKO
>  MIKE HUCKABY
>  DERRICK MAY
>  MINX
>  DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
>  MOS DEF
>  DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
>  OSCAR MCMILLAN
>  DJ SPOOKY
>  RECLOOSE
>  DJ ASSAULT
>  RICHIE HAWTIN
>  DOUBLE HELIX
>  ROLANDO
>  D.WYNN
>  RONIN
>  DYKEHOUSE
>  THE ROOTS
>  ECTOMORPH
>  SCAN 7
>  FANON FLOWERS
>  SHAKE
>  GARY CHANDLER
>  SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
>  DJ GODFATHER
>  SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
>  HANNAH
>  STACEY PULLEN
>  HOUSESHOES
>  THEO PARRISH
>  SEAN DEASON
>  THEOREM
>  JASON HOGANS
>  TIKIMAN
>  JEFF KAROLSKI
>  URBAN TRIBE
>  VITREOUS FLUX
>  CLARK WARNER
>  WILD PLANET
>  ALAN ESTER
>  EDDIE FOWLKES
>  LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
>  PHAT KAT
>  RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
>  STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
>  Sundiata
>  Chad Novak
>  Electric Indigo
>  Heather Heart
>  Gene Farris
>  DJ Zap
>  Mike Grant
>  Steve Rachmad
>  Dave Angel
>  Kevin Saunderson
>  Juan Atkins
>  Shorty
>  Erotek (live)
>  John Collins
>  Mad Professor(live)
>  Reggie Curry
>  T.Linder
>  Bill Beaver(live)
>  DeepChord(live)
>  Scott Grooves (dj & live)
>  Jon Tejada
>  Boo Williams
>  Cas Roc
>  Frankie Knuckles
>  DJ Shadow
>  Sarena Tyler
>  X - Ecutioners
>  Adam X
>  Black Eyed Peas
>  Bryan Zentz
>  Blake Baxter
>  Roni Size
>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  Mike Dearborn
>  George Clinton
>  Art Payne/ Keith Martin
>  Gary Martin
>  Rick Wade
>  Stewart Walker(live)
>  Paul Johnson
>  Drexciya
>  Ethan Kline
>  Derrick Thompson
>  Kenny Dope
>  Chaos (live)
>  Bone
>  Dave Clark
>  Roy Davis, Jr.
>  Dennis Cox
>  Green Velvet(live)
>  Frankie Bones
>  K.Hand
>  Advent( Live)
>  DJ Funk
>  Rob Hood
>  Colin Dale
>  A Number of Names(live)
>  Dwayne Jensen
>  Steve Tang
>  Greg Collier
>  Matt Clark
>  Melvin Hill
>  Black Bottom Collective(live)
>  Mike Huckaby
>  DJ Dangerous
>  Ron Carroll
>  T-1000
>  Traxx
>  Adam Goldstone
>  Akufen - Live
>  Alder and Elias
>  Amp Fiddler
>  Andres
>  Aril Brikha
>  Ayro
>  Ben Bracken
>  Blaze (TBC)
>  Brad Hales
>  Buzz Gorree
>  Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
>  Carlos Souffront
>  Clark Warner
>  Dale Lawrence
>  Danny Krivit
>  Delano Smith
>  DJ Spinna (TBC)
>  Double Helix
>  Dwele
>  D Wynn
>  Eddie Fowlkes
>  ESG
>  Francois K
>  Fusion
>  DJ Genesis
>  Grandwizzard Theodore
>  Jazzy Jay
>  Jeff Mills
>  Jimmy Edgar
>  John Arnold
>  John Beltran
>  Juan Atkins
>  Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
>  K-Hand
>  Kid 606
>  Korie
>  Liquid Liquid
>  Magda
>  Marcellus Pitman
>  Matthew Dear
>  Mike Clark
>  Mike Grant
>  Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
>  Niko Marks (TBC)
>  Norma Jean Bell
>  Norm Talley
>  Persona
>  Perspects
>  Peven Everett
>  Pole
>  Reese Project
>  Reggie Dokes
>  Richie Hawtin (TBC)
>  Rich Medina
>  Rolando
>  Ron Trent
>  Sans Soliel
>  Scott Zacharias
>  Shake
>  Slum Village
>  Spacek
>  Stacey Hale
>  Stacy Pullen
>  Sysmanski
>  Tamion 12"
>  The 3 Chairs
>  Theo Parrish
>  Thinkbox
>  Thomas Fehlmann
>  Timespace
>  Ursula Rucker
>  Vikter Duplaix
>  Wolf Eyes
>  Aardvark
>  Alden Tyrell live
>  Amp Fiddler live
>  Barbara Preisinger
>  Biological Live
>  Camp Amp DJs
>  Claude Young
>  Cloud 9
>  Danny Krivit
>  Derek Plaslaiko
>  Kevin Reynolds
>  Kevin Saunderson
>  Language
>  Legowelt
>  Louis Haiman
>  Madlib and PBW ft Jay Dee
>  Malik Alston Painted Pictures
>  Marques Wyatt
>  McKay
>  Mike Geiger
>  DJ Cosmo
>  DJ Genesis live
>  DJ Nova
>  Duplex Live
>  Ellen Allien
>  Fat Freddy's Drop
>  Francois K
>  Garth Trinidad
>  Goldfinger (AML)
>  Greg Mudge
>  Groove Junkies
>  Heiroglyphic being
>  Highfish
>  Jeannie Hopper
>  Joris Voorn live
>  Kai Alce
>  Kelvin Larkin
>  Kenny Larkin
>  Mike Grant
>  Mike Huckaby
>  Novamen Live dutch
>  Osunlade Live
>  Ramon
>  Recloose
>  Red Nose Distrikt
>  Reel People
>  Remy
>  Rockid (DMC Champion)
>  Rolando
>  Ron Trent
>  sean deason
>  Shortround
>  Stacey Pullen
>  Tortured Soul Live
>  Wajeed
>  DJ Shortround
>  DJ Marquis
>  The Surgeon
>  Pirahnahead
>  John Collins
>  Aaron Carl Live
>  Mike Huckaby
>  Minx & Genesis 4 Turntables
>  Fabrice Lig
>  Aril Brikha Live
>  Green Velvet-live
>  James Pennington
>  Dwayne Jenson
>  Driving Soul
>  Eric Johnson
>  Keith Worthy
>  Kevin Dysard
>  Dj 3000
>  Dj Dex
>  John Tejada
>  Quentin Harris
>  KDJ Live
>  Tony Ollivierra
>  Electrofunk Li

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Detroit Techno Militia]

A year or two ago, I put together a list of all the people that have
played at past DEMF's.  I didn't sort by year but here you go if you
want it.

Here is a partial list of the people that have played at the festival
in years past.
ADULT
JOHN ARNOLD
A GUY CALLED GERALD
JUAN ATKINS
ARIL BRIKHA/TIME SPACE
SLUM VILLAGE
BILL VANLOO
KENNY LARKIN
BONE
KEVIN SAUNDERSON
KELVIN LARKIN
LACKSIDAISYCAL
BUZZ GOREE
LAUREN FLAX
CARLOS SOUFFRONT
SCOTT ZACHERIAS
CASH MONEY
LEN SWAN
CRAIG TABORN
MAGDA
DBX
MIKE "AGENT X" CLARK
DEGO
MIKE GRANT
DEREK PLASLAIKO
MIKE HUCKABY
DERRICK MAY
MINX
DETROIT GRAND PUBAHS
MOS DEF
DIRECT BEAT ASSASSINS
OSCAR MCMILLAN
DJ SPOOKY
RECLOOSE
DJ ASSAULT
RICHIE HAWTIN
DOUBLE HELIX
ROLANDO
D.WYNN
RONIN
DYKEHOUSE
THE ROOTS
ECTOMORPH
SCAN 7
FANON FLOWERS
SHAKE
GARY CHANDLER
SPACELINGS & BASSHEADS
DJ GODFATHER
SPACE TIME CONTINUUM
HANNAH
STACEY PULLEN
HOUSESHOES
THEO PARRISH
SEAN DEASON
THEOREM
JASON HOGANS
TIKIMAN
JEFF KAROLSKI
URBAN TRIBE
VITREOUS FLUX
CLARK WARNER
WILD PLANET
ALAN ESTER
EDDIE FOWLKES
LACKSIDAISYCAL& MONTANA
PHAT KAT
RX-7 THE ELECTRO ELITE
STACEY "HOT WAXX" HALE
Sundiata
Chad Novak
Electric Indigo
Heather Heart
Gene Farris
DJ Zap
Mike Grant
Steve Rachmad
Dave Angel
Kevin Saunderson
Juan Atkins
Shorty
Erotek (live)
John Collins
Mad Professor(live)
Reggie Curry
T.Linder
Bill Beaver(live)
DeepChord(live)
Scott Grooves (dj & live)
Jon Tejada
Boo Williams
Cas Roc
Frankie Knuckles
DJ Shadow
Sarena Tyler
X - Ecutioners
Adam X
Black Eyed Peas
Bryan Zentz
Blake Baxter
Roni Size
Eddie Fowlkes
Mike Dearborn
George Clinton
Art Payne/ Keith Martin
Gary Martin
Rick Wade
Stewart Walker(live)
Paul Johnson
Drexciya
Ethan Kline
Derrick Thompson
Kenny Dope
Chaos (live)
Bone
Dave Clark
Roy Davis, Jr.
Dennis Cox
Green Velvet(live)
Frankie Bones
K.Hand
Advent( Live)
DJ Funk
Rob Hood
Colin Dale
A Number of Names(live)
Dwayne Jensen
Steve Tang
Greg Collier
Matt Clark
Melvin Hill
Black Bottom Collective(live)
Mike Huckaby
DJ Dangerous
Ron Carroll
T-1000
Traxx
Adam Goldstone
Akufen - Live
Alder and Elias
Amp Fiddler
Andres
Aril Brikha
Ayro
Ben Bracken
Blaze (TBC)
Brad Hales
Buzz Gorree
Carl Craig + Detroit Experiment
Carlos Souffront
Clark Warner
Dale Lawrence
Danny Krivit
Delano Smith
DJ Spinna (TBC)
Double Helix
Dwele
D Wynn
Eddie Fowlkes
ESG
Francois K
Fusion
DJ Genesis
Grandwizzard Theodore
Jazzy Jay
Jeff Mills
Jimmy Edgar
John Arnold
John Beltran
Juan Atkins
Kevin Saunderson + Kenny Larkin
K-Hand
Kid 606
Korie
Liquid Liquid
Magda
Marcellus Pitman
Matthew Dear
Mike Clark
Mike Grant
Milo (Wild Bunch / Massive Attack)
Niko Marks (TBC)
Norma Jean Bell
Norm Talley
Persona
Perspects
Peven Everett
Pole
Reese Project
Reggie Dokes
Richie Hawtin (TBC)
Rich Medina
Rolando
Ron Trent
Sans Soliel
Scott Zacharias
Shake
Slum Village
Spacek
Stacey Hale
Stacy Pullen
Sysmanski
Tamion 12"
The 3 Chairs
Theo Parrish
Thinkbox
Thomas Fehlmann
Timespace
Ursula Rucker
Vikter Duplaix
Wolf Eyes
Aardvark
Alden Tyrell live
Amp Fiddler live
Barbara Preisinger
Biological Live
Camp Amp DJs
Claude Young
Cloud 9
Danny Krivit
Derek Plaslaiko
Kevin Reynolds
Kevin Saunderson
Language
Legowelt
Louis Haiman
Madlib and PBW ft Jay Dee
Malik Alston Painted Pictures
Marques Wyatt
McKay
Mike Geiger
DJ Cosmo
DJ Genesis live
DJ Nova
Duplex Live
Ellen Allien
Fat Freddy's Drop
Francois K
Garth Trinidad
Goldfinger (AML)
Greg Mudge
Groove Junkies
Heiroglyphic being
Highfish
Jeannie Hopper
Joris Voorn live
Kai Alce
Kelvin Larkin
Kenny Larkin
Mike Grant
Mike Huckaby
Novamen Live dutch
Osunlade Live
Ramon
Recloose
Red Nose Distrikt
Reel People
Remy
Rockid (DMC Champion)
Rolando
Ron Trent
sean deason
Shortround
Stacey Pullen
Tortured Soul Live
Wajeed
DJ Shortround
DJ Marquis
The Surgeon
Pirahnahead
John Collins
Aaron Carl Live
Mike Huckaby
Minx & Genesis 4 Turntables
Fabrice Lig
Aril Brikha Live
Green Velvet-live
James Pennington
Dwayne Jenson
Driving Soul
Eric Johnson
Keith Worthy
Kevin Dysard
Dj 3000
Dj Dex
John Tejada
Quentin Harris
KDJ Live
Tony Ollivierra
Electrofunk Live
Drew Maddox
Tony Zadonia
Egg Live
J. Hunsberger Live
Mike Shannon Dj/Live
Jeff Milligan
Pheek (Live)
Akufen
Orgue Electronique
Luke Eargoggle
Cosmic Force [live]
Legowelt
Bangkok Impact [live]
Detroit In Effect
Serge
Dj TLR
3 Degrees
Brown Brothers
Dj Fingers
Strand Live
Dj Zapp
Scan 7 Live
Slum Village Live
Aux 88
Buzz Goree
Stacey Pullen
Model 500 Live
Kevin Saunderson
Tonka
E. Spleece
Houseshoes
Wasted Youth
DJ Cloud 9
Invincible & Finale
Dj Dez
ONEBELO
12 Tek Mob
Athletic Mic League
Chuck Flask (dj/live)
Tom Newman (dj/live)
Trish
Bryan Zentz
Marco Corrola
Christian Smith
Ben Simms
Michel de Hey
Mistress Barbara
Adem Beyer
Raiders Of The Lost Arp
Mat 101
Marco Passarini
Kiko
Ruben Montesco
Water Lilly
Savas Pascalidis
Alexander Robotnick
Kim James
Dj Digital
Tek Brothers
Mike Clark
Heath Bruner Vmax-Live
Blake Baxter
Kenny Larkin
Octive One, Live
UR Live
Mos Def
Ray Bone
Bruce Bailey
00 PM Dj Bet
Divinity
Dj Greensky
Niko Marks
Zo & the Guerilla Funk Mob
Carl Craig
Rich Medina
Be

Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Matt Kane's Brain]

Warning, last time I did any kind of analysis like that I was shouted down :)

The archives are at http://elists.resynthesize.com/313

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> does anybody have a complete archive of the festival lineups
>  throughout the years?  i checked the wiki and they only go as far back
>  as 2005.  i'd really like to analyze the data and break it down to
>  percentages as to how the detroit representation has changed over
>  time.
>
>  kent - where are the complete 313 archives?  certainly there must be
>  posts in there that would have the info.
>



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Re: (313) demf 2008

[jwan allen]

All excellent points, there have been questionable performers since
the first year (I've attended every festival to date), but since the
first year it's always been about events around the festival where the
real pay-off has been for me. Record shopping, after parties (provided
they don't get shut down) and hanging out in the city that started it
all.

The Pittsburgh crew refers to the festival as the "techno spring
break" and we enjoy are annual trips so much, that we'll continue to
visit the city over that weekend, even if no festival is scheduled.
With the being said the delay in announcing even a partial line-up is
a bad marketing move. Perhaps they are counting on the low dollar to
entice international visitors. But if I was in charge, I wouldn't bank
on the scenario, as I know for a fact that hotel rooms are already at
a premium, since there are many ppl like us who book their rooms
months in advance.

jw


On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Parties possibly in the pipeline from Beatdown and Rick Wilhite separately. 
> V. Much tbc though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Chester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 13 March 2008 12:10
> To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008
>
>
> on that note, putting the festival line up to one side - has there been
> any news of good afterparties happening yet? other than the Soul Skate
> one...
>
> Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > i spend all
> > my money over festival weekend at local detroit record stores,
> > restaurants, and clubs that support the real music. so i know my
> > monetary contributions go the right people no matter what is happening
> > at the festival.
> >
> > tom
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Technoir Audio
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"dealing with your imperfect world"

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Matt Kane's Brain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I can't the last year's lineup on the site because i keep getting
>  redirected to the photo gallery, but the press release highlights Jeff
>  Mills, Moodymann, and Model 500?!

press releases highlighting stuff isnt going to draw the international
crowd when they have better overall choices out there for festivals to
attend. they can try window dressing all they want, people are not
stupid. any detroit emphasis they try to give off is a joke.

> There have been joke acts every
>  year, and the rave crowd started showing up in spades at least two
>  years before Paxahau took over.

no joke acts as bad as the drum and bass jokers last year and in 06,
or Booka Shade last year. there were other specific lowlights, but 06
featured large chunks of the day where i couldnt find anyone playing
any good music at all and last year featured some of the worst crap
ive heard coming out of the speakers in the years i have done. i dont
care about some ravers coming, that doesnt bother me. but when it is
all ravers and no international crowd and very few "normal" locals,
you have lost the entire flavor of what the festival was about.

tom

RE: (313) demf 2008

[Dan Bean]

Parties possibly in the pipeline from Beatdown and Rick Wilhite separately. V. 
Much tbc though.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Chester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 13 March 2008 12:10
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008

on that note, putting the festival line up to one side - has there been 
any news of good afterparties happening yet? other than the Soul Skate 
one...

Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
>
> i spend all
> my money over festival weekend at local detroit record stores,
> restaurants, and clubs that support the real music. so i know my
> monetary contributions go the right people no matter what is happening
> at the festival.
>
> tom
>
>   

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Matt Kane's Brain]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  but some of the artists over
>  the past 2 years have been a gigantic joke. maybe you want to go back
>  to bad raves, but i feel like that is devoid of any culture at all in
>  2008.

I can't the last year's lineup on the site because i keep getting
redirected to the photo gallery, but the press release highlights Jeff
Mills, Moodymann, and Model 500?! There have been joke acts every
year, and the rave crowd started showing up in spades at least two
years before Paxahau took over.

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Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:54 AM, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  think we can all cut Paxahau some
>  slack and let the festival improve gradually.

improve gradually? at the rate they are improving now, the festival
will be completely worthless in a year or two. i love the better
organization and the good sound systems, but some of the artists over
the past 2 years have been a gigantic joke. maybe you want to go back
to bad raves, but i feel like that is devoid of any culture at all in
2008.

>  things can always be
>  better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all sound,
>  as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.

i sound negative because i am negative. they could get many more
worldwide visitors for this event by having the lineup out already.
they just dont care to, they want to get the local rave population.
how else am i supposed to feel about that? i dont want the detroit
ibiza connection, that is absolutely worthless.

tom

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

i thought it was from what i witnessed but that sounded funny. ttyl. tx.

On 3/13/08, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For what it's worth.
>
> Or:
>
> Friday's when it's worse. Lame I know, but I had to have a go.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
> To: JT Stewart; M Ng; 313 Mailing List
> Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008
>
>
> whats fwiw
>
> On 3/13/08, JT Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all
> > > sound,  as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.
> >
> > Yeah, but you know we don't actually feel that way right, because
> > every message (except maybe Tmo's) has sad something like "I'll be
> > there anyway", or what I have said, "..I'm glad they are managing the
> > festival competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can
> > continue and perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again."
> >
> > To take the rose-colored glasses off, for me, the last year was so
> > unappealing that I didn't much consider going, so yes, I hope it
> > improves because if that continues I really will be indifferent about
> > whether it happens anymore or not. They can't please everybody all the
>
> > time and I may be a casualty. For the $500+ the trip costs me, I could
>
> > go somewhere else, Europe even, and have a better time. Detroit will
> > survive, the music will survive. We'll see...I have high hopes for
> > this year. I have a feeling they'll ask Convextion to play at least,
> > and I'd go even if just to support him..but we'll see..
> >
>
>
> --
> ---
> Michael Kuszynski
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.planerecordings.com
> New York, NY
>


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RE: (313) demf 2008

[Odeluga, Ken]

For what it's worth.

Or:

Friday's when it's worse. Lame I know, but I had to have a go.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:08 PM
To: JT Stewart; M Ng; 313 Mailing List
Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008


whats fwiw

On 3/13/08, JT Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all 
> > sound,  as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.
>
> Yeah, but you know we don't actually feel that way right, because 
> every message (except maybe Tmo's) has sad something like "I'll be 
> there anyway", or what I have said, "..I'm glad they are managing the 
> festival competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can 
> continue and perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again."
>
> To take the rose-colored glasses off, for me, the last year was so 
> unappealing that I didn't much consider going, so yes, I hope it 
> improves because if that continues I really will be indifferent about 
> whether it happens anymore or not. They can't please everybody all the

> time and I may be a casualty. For the $500+ the trip costs me, I could

> go somewhere else, Europe even, and have a better time. Detroit will 
> survive, the music will survive. We'll see...I have high hopes for 
> this year. I have a feeling they'll ask Convextion to play at least, 
> and I'd go even if just to support him..but we'll see..
>


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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New York, NY

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Matt Chester]

on that note, putting the festival line up to one side - has there been 
any news of good afterparties happening yet? other than the Soul Skate 
one...


Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


i spend all
my money over festival weekend at local detroit record stores,
restaurants, and clubs that support the real music. so i know my
monetary contributions go the right people no matter what is happening
at the festival.

tom

  

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

whats fwiw

On 3/13/08, JT Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all sound,
> >  as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.
>
> Yeah, but you know we don't actually feel that way right, because
> every message (except maybe Tmo's) has sad something like "I'll be
> there anyway", or what I have said, "..I'm glad they are managing the
> festival competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can
> continue and perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again."
>
> To take the rose-colored glasses off, for me, the last year was so
> unappealing that I didn't much consider going, so yes, I hope it
> improves because if that continues I really will be indifferent about
> whether it happens anymore or not. They can't please everybody all the
> time and I may be a casualty. For the $500+ the trip costs me, I could
> go somewhere else, Europe even, and have a better time. Detroit will
> survive, the music will survive. We'll see...I have high hopes for
> this year. I have a feeling they'll ask Convextion to play at least,
> and I'd go even if just to support him..but we'll see..
>


-- 
---
Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.planerecordings.com
New York, NY

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

>  better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all sound,
>  as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.

Yeah, but you know we don't actually feel that way right, because
every message (except maybe Tmo's) has sad something like "I'll be
there anyway", or what I have said, "..I'm glad they are managing the
festival competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can
continue and perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again."

To take the rose-colored glasses off, for me, the last year was so
unappealing that I didn't much consider going, so yes, I hope it
improves because if that continues I really will be indifferent about
whether it happens anymore or not. They can't please everybody all the
time and I may be a casualty. For the $500+ the trip costs me, I could
go somewhere else, Europe even, and have a better time. Detroit will
survive, the music will survive. We'll see...I have high hopes for
this year. I have a feeling they'll ask Convextion to play at least,
and I'd go even if just to support him..but we'll see..

Re: (313) demf 2008

[M Ng]

noted. but this whole thread has been so taxing, and i feel it is the
same comments on this list every year.

I am over it, that's why I endured the long list of whinging that goes
on this list before I posted. sure it can be improved, why not. but
what I realised, esp after going last year, and having spent this year
in the states, is how hard it is just to get stuff going, planning an
event, raising $ getting attendance etc, and while it's all well and
good about hoping for the best, I think we can all cut Paxahau some
slack and let the festival improve gradually. things can always be
better but I don't know if you all realise how negative you all sound,
as if it was better if it wasn't happening at all.



On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, JT Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think we can all agree that "it's not going to be like the first
>  >  couple of DEMFs" and I really think that we should all stop bitching
>  >  about how it could be or why it is. IT'S NOT GOING BACK THAT WAY SO
>  >  GET OVER IT.
>
>  No one is crying about it. You don't have to abandon all critical
>  discourse to accept what it is now. Some people care about that stuff.
>  How about you get over it and let people talk about what they want to
>  and you don't try and shout them down? Especially since it's actually
>  about Detroit for a change?
>
>  I don't think anyone is wishing for the old DEMF, we want a new DEMF
>  that improves. We wanted that even after the first year.
>
>  It's quite an assumption to assert the festival has been a loss or a
>  success because of the "fanatic" or popular appeal of the lineup. I
>  think you are wrong. I think this is simply an easy and safe approach
>  that mis-judges the audience. We exchanged headz for ravers, and I
>  think it doesn't take a brain surgeon to tell you which audience is
>  more loyal and less transient. Europeans were everywhere in the early
>  years. Attendance was exponentially larger, even taking into account
>  the flawed surveys. It was readily apparent that attendance was much
>  larger, and sure many would not have been there had it not been free,
>  but don't underestimate the appeal of an event that let's a population
>  celebrate their own culture. I'm sure as many people would have paid
>  for tickets then as do now, if not more. The big sponsors were there.
>  The media interest was there. The festivals were simply mis-managed,
>  and opportunities were missed. Spending was unchecked. Even small
>  artists were actually paid generously! There has been all sorts of
>  restructuring. You're jumping to conclusions that I really don't think
>  are substantiated.You don't have to assume that because things are the
>  way they are that's the best way they can be. A little criticism does
>  not mean you are renouncing the whole thing. I am thankful for the
>  festival and everything it brings to Detroit and all the people that
>  work to make it happen.
>
>  FWIW 2006 was a super year from all I heard (I didn't make it)...But I
>  heard just as across-the-board that last year was dismal.
>

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

>  No one is crying about it. You don't have to abandon all critical

Wah wah you sound like you're crying to me!

>  How about you get over it and let people talk about what they want to
>  and you don't try and shout them down?

How about I wanna tell you to shut up so SHUT UP

>  I don't think anyone is wishing for the old DEMF, we want a new DEMF
>  that improves. We wanted that even after the first year.

Liar. You want Basic Channel and Juan back. I know how you think.

>  It's quite an assumption to assert the festival has been a loss or a
>  success because of the "fanatic" or popular appeal of the lineup. I

nunh unh it's simple bizness 101

>  but don't underestimate the appeal of an event that let's a population
>  celebrate their own culture.

It's still a big event that happens in Detroit ain't it? That imbues
it with considerable Detroit identity and interest simply by merit of
that fact, I think. Lots of cities have festivals of all sorts that
are popular and many aren't tied to any sort of preeminent culture

>  FWIW 2006 was a super year from all I heard (I didn't make it)...But I
>  heard just as across-the-board that last year was dismal.

hypocrite!

hehe

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

> i think we can all agree that "it's not going to be like the first
>  couple of DEMFs" and I really think that we should all stop bitching
>  about how it could be or why it is. IT'S NOT GOING BACK THAT WAY SO
>  GET OVER IT.

No one is crying about it. You don't have to abandon all critical
discourse to accept what it is now. Some people care about that stuff.
How about you get over it and let people talk about what they want to
and you don't try and shout them down? Especially since it's actually
about Detroit for a change?

I don't think anyone is wishing for the old DEMF, we want a new DEMF
that improves. We wanted that even after the first year.

It's quite an assumption to assert the festival has been a loss or a
success because of the "fanatic" or popular appeal of the lineup. I
think you are wrong. I think this is simply an easy and safe approach
that mis-judges the audience. We exchanged headz for ravers, and I
think it doesn't take a brain surgeon to tell you which audience is
more loyal and less transient. Europeans were everywhere in the early
years. Attendance was exponentially larger, even taking into account
the flawed surveys. It was readily apparent that attendance was much
larger, and sure many would not have been there had it not been free,
but don't underestimate the appeal of an event that let's a population
celebrate their own culture. I'm sure as many people would have paid
for tickets then as do now, if not more. The big sponsors were there.
The media interest was there. The festivals were simply mis-managed,
and opportunities were missed. Spending was unchecked. Even small
artists were actually paid generously! There has been all sorts of
restructuring. You're jumping to conclusions that I really don't think
are substantiated.You don't have to assume that because things are the
way they are that's the best way they can be. A little criticism does
not mean you are renouncing the whole thing. I am thankful for the
festival and everything it brings to Detroit and all the people that
work to make it happen.

FWIW 2006 was a super year from all I heard (I didn't make it)...But I
heard just as across-the-board that last year was dismal.

RE: (313) demf 2008

[Dan Bean]

> Enjoy pikeys

We'll try our best. Thankfully it's not actually in Manchester though.

Will see some of you in Detroit this year too. The non-existence of the lineup 
hasn't had any effect on my travel plans.

Re: (313) demf 2008

[M Ng]

i think we can all agree that "it's not going to be like the first
couple of DEMFs" and I really think that we should all stop bitching
about how it could be or why it is. IT'S NOT GOING BACK THAT WAY SO
GET OVER IT.

I have long given up on "wishing for the old DEMF" and I just look
forward to use it as a reason to get out to Detroit, and of course I
could always go out there whenever I want but it's just a good reason.
I like seeing Detroit in a "happy" state, it's good to see people get
together just to hang out, it's good to have a reason just to go that
weekend.

I can still go to the after parties, still catch the "older"/ "classic
detroit" artists and djs on their own small stage, and that is fine
with me. Maybe I will skip the large stages with their happy
commercial or miimalist popular crap, but if that's what gets the
festival going, then so be it.

Sure a lot of people just to come to listen to other types of
electronic music, and so be it. I'm glad people are trekking out to
Detroit, on the very least level that's a great thing because it's not
like there is a lot going for the city, and it needs trade and
commerce to flow into the city, however that may be.

Obviously, it is better to run an event where there is potential to
make $, rather than run it at a loss just to cater for us fanactic
hardcore fans, and I think that is something that I have come to
realise. Sure it sounds defeatist, sell out, whatever you call it, but
it's damn hard putting on an event and I'm happy that they have one at
all. And I'm sure they can run it better, but man, I think we all go
tto realise that it's not just about "us" on this list, but a broader
audience out there. And if it can bring in some much needed $ into
Det, then I'm all for it.

m

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:44 AM, JT Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes we all come to Detroit, the birthplace of more than a few
>  distinctly American musical styles, to celebrate the music of
>  elsewhere.
>
>  Identity is important, especially in this age of omni-culture and
>  accelerating hegemony. Identity is more important in the long run than
>  being just another venue, and it's certainly of inescapable importance
>  when it comes to Detroit. Imagine a blues festival set in the
>  Mississippi Delta, the birthplace of the blues, with a line-up
>  dominated by Stevie Ray Vaughn and BB King style blues? I'm sure some
>  locals would be excited to see some "exotic" music, good for them, but
>  that sentiment is rather worthless in the face of preserving and
>  celebrating the area's preeminent culture and identity.
>
>  The festival has become a celebration of popular (dance music)
>  culture, which is an obvious move. It's understandable. It's easier.
>  It's safer. However I don't think the approach has borne out better
>  results than the old Festivals which were actual celebrations of
>  Detroit style dance music. But I'm glad they are managing the festival
>  competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can continue and
>  perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again.
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:52 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  > i'm sure it will f most of you off, but I'd rather it be this way.  
> detroit
>  >  >  pretty much caters only to itself, which means the festival is a rare 
> chance
>  >  >  to catch some of the stuff that would never get a booking or a decent
>  >  >  venue/audience otherwise.
>  >
>  >  why are you on this list again? please, move, unsub, just get away.
>  >
>  >  tom
>  >
>

(313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

does anybody have a complete archive of the festival lineups
throughout the years?  i checked the wiki and they only go as far back
as 2005.  i'd really like to analyze the data and break it down to
percentages as to how the detroit representation has changed over
time.

kent - where are the complete 313 archives?  certainly there must be
posts in there that would have the info.

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

Yes we all come to Detroit, the birthplace of more than a few
distinctly American musical styles, to celebrate the music of
elsewhere.

Identity is important, especially in this age of omni-culture and
accelerating hegemony. Identity is more important in the long run than
being just another venue, and it's certainly of inescapable importance
when it comes to Detroit. Imagine a blues festival set in the
Mississippi Delta, the birthplace of the blues, with a line-up
dominated by Stevie Ray Vaughn and BB King style blues? I'm sure some
locals would be excited to see some "exotic" music, good for them, but
that sentiment is rather worthless in the face of preserving and
celebrating the area's preeminent culture and identity.

The festival has become a celebration of popular (dance music)
culture, which is an obvious move. It's understandable. It's easier.
It's safer. However I don't think the approach has borne out better
results than the old Festivals which were actual celebrations of
Detroit style dance music. But I'm glad they are managing the festival
competently, unlike previous incarnations, so that it can continue and
perhaps find it's own identity and mojo again.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:52 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > i'm sure it will f most of you off, but I'd rather it be this way.  detroit
>  >  pretty much caters only to itself, which means the festival is a rare 
> chance
>  >  to catch some of the stuff that would never get a booking or a decent
>  >  venue/audience otherwise.
>
>  why are you on this list again? please, move, unsub, just get away.
>
>  tom
>

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:52 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i'm sure it will f most of you off, but I'd rather it be this way.  detroit
>  pretty much caters only to itself, which means the festival is a rare chance
>  to catch some of the stuff that would never get a booking or a decent
>  venue/audience otherwise.

why are you on this list again? please, move, unsub, just get away.

tom

Re: (313) demf 2008

[/0]

i'm sure it will f most of you off, but I'd rather it be this way.  detroit 
pretty much caters only to itself, which means the festival is a rare chance 
to catch some of the stuff that would never get a booking or a decent 
venue/audience otherwise.



- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008





I can't believe, based on the bookings, that the
folks organizing it see it as being tied to "detroit techno" as much as
"detroit's techno festival."


totally agree with that
granted I haven't been to the fest in a number of years but from the
line-ups from the first three fests to today's fest under the current
promoters
they haven't kept with the original spirit of the festival at all imo
it's not a "Detroit electronic music festival" but an electronic music
festival that could happen anywhere but just happens in Detroit

but if anyone wants to come and help me with my garden this year that's
where I'll probably be

MEK

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

> I can't believe, based on the bookings, that the
> folks organizing it see it as being tied to "detroit techno" as much as
> "detroit's techno festival."

totally agree with that
granted I haven't been to the fest in a number of years but from the
line-ups from the first three fests to today's fest under the current
promoters
they haven't kept with the original spirit of the festival at all imo
it's not a "Detroit electronic music festival" but an electronic music
festival that could happen anywhere but just happens in Detroit

but if anyone wants to come and help me with my garden this year that's
where I'll probably be

MEK

Re: (313) demf 2008

[/0]

hah, sorry for the confusion, I cut the wrong part of Kamal's email out. 
things like this happen as a side effect of stupidity. :)


mulligan:
I was actually disagreeing with this (from Kamal):


"No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
city has/have made musically throughout the years. "


I completely disagree, and I can't believe, based on the bookings, that the 
folks organizing it see it as being tied to "detroit techno" as much as 
"detroit's techno festival."





- Original Message - 
From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Frank Glazer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008



wrong.


- Original Message - 
From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: (313) demf 2008

No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
city has/have made musically throughout the years.

Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

Location. Non-festival events that exist only because of the festival.
DEMF is now musically indistinguishable from a number of other
festivals. In fact I doubt it will have a lineup even close to as good
as BLOC which starts tomorrow in Manchester.
http://www.blocweekend.com/

After currency conversion BLOC costs roughly 6 times as much as DEMF.
But uhlook at that lineup! I'd be there if I could.

Enjoy pikeys

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

pray tell - what is the DEMF all about then?  What is it's driving force
and what separates it from any other electronic music festival?

MEK

"/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/12/2008 04:38:59 PM:

> wrong.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:53 AM
> Subject: RE: (313) demf 2008
>
> No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
> direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
> city has/have made musically throughout the years.
>

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

whats wrong. white minimal consumerist berlin hipsters ?

On 3/12/08, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wrong.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:53 AM
> Subject: RE: (313) demf 2008
>
> No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
> direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
> city has/have made musically throughout the years.
>
>


-- 
---
Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: (313) demf 2008

[/0]

wrong.


- Original Message - 
From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: (313) demf 2008

No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
city has/have made musically throughout the years. 

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Martin Dust]

On 12 Mar 2008, at 16:01, JT Stewart wrote:


Excellent points Francis, about the commercial side. Their approach is
not geared towards music lovers, and it's a shame in the eyes of
people like us. I think they're already putting on all the music they
like though and wouldn't consider what they're doing as making
concessions. The change in the musical nature of the event was
intentional and favorable in their eyes.



The longer they hold off, the higher the flights get for us, not  
really good for a client facing business but hey...


m

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Without wanting to be too harsh on the organisers or the spirt of the 
> festival, major
> headliners at a festival that hopes to attract international punters should 
> be announced at
> least 3 to 4 months in advance at the earliest. The summer period is 
> ridiculously laden with
> festivals in Europe, and in most cases people can only afford 1 or 2 at the 
> very most and
> have to make decisions in Jan or Feb from a financial perspective because 
> hotels, flights
> and the like go up as demand increases.
>
>  It's a shame if Detroit has to lose out.

my guess is that they care less about foreign visitors, this one is
for the rave cadets in the US which is why they seem to be leaning
towards alot of the same old crap you might hear at a european
festival. instead of having the detroit cats play and getting the
worldwide crew, they have jokers play and get the US crew. eh. i guess
we will see once they announce the lineup (that our man on here has
said in the past has been near completion for over 2 months. WTF?!)
but my guess is less detroit, more nonsense, more price. i spend all
my money over festival weekend at local detroit record stores,
restaurants, and clubs that support the real music. so i know my
monetary contributions go the right people no matter what is happening
at the festival.

tom

RE: (313) demf 2008

[Toby Frith]

Without wanting to be too harsh on the organisers or the spirt of the festival, 
major headliners at a festival that hopes to attract international punters 
should be announced at least 3 to 4 months in advance at the earliest. The 
summer period is ridiculously laden with festivals in Europe, and in most cases 
people can only afford 1 or 2 at the very most and have to make decisions in 
Jan or Feb from a financial perspective because hotels, flights and the like go 
up as demand increases. 

It's a shame if Detroit has to lose out.





-Original Message-
From: JT Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 March 2008 16:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) demf 2008


Excellent points Francis, about the commercial side. Their approach is
not geared towards music lovers, and it's a shame in the eyes of
people like us. I think they're already putting on all the music they
like though and wouldn't consider what they're doing as making
concessions. The change in the musical nature of the event was
intentional and favorable in their eyes.

JT

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Re: (313) demf 2008

[JT Stewart]

Excellent points Francis, about the commercial side. Their approach is
not geared towards music lovers, and it's a shame in the eyes of
people like us. I think they're already putting on all the music they
like though and wouldn't consider what they're doing as making
concessions. The change in the musical nature of the event was
intentional and favorable in their eyes.

JT

RE: (313) demf 2008

[Stoddard, Kamal]

>in light of the history of the event, it's terribly unlikely that the
>lineup will not be worth the $40 3-day cost.

 I disagree. The first few were free and chock full of Detroit. More
D-bang for your (non)bucks. Recently we've seen a decline in Detroit
representation and the price going up. Personally I have no issue with
it, but it does make that statement dead wrong. 

> besides, most people i
>know go regardless of who is on the lineup,

True. And this is what I think most of us will do.

>many go simply to support
>detroit.  that is, after all, what the event is all about, isn't it?

No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current
direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the
city has/have made musically throughout the years. The financial boon
comes as a result of this celebration. But no, money's not the point
it's a side effect (albeit one which can't be rightfully be ignored).

Bottom line is they have nothing to gain from holding out on the info.
it's a dumb move promotion-wise and it doesn't really make me want to go
anymore than I already do (which is the point of a promoter right?).
given their history of dodgy choices, it can't help to be holding out.
People begin to wonder what you're hiding and why you can't tell us
until we've paid *cough*berlin-mnml-fest*cough*. See? Dumb.

K
mwnb

RE: (313) demf 2008

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yes but my point is regarding people who are not

> most people i
> know

and that

> in the history of the event

it hasn't been financially viable.  What I'm trying to say is that Paxahau are 
trying to make a go of it (and good on them, this is not hating).  It seems 
that to this end they're putting on artists who they think will be of more 
appeal to a mass market.   Fair enough, they're investing in it, they need to 
get their money back.  However what's the point in that if they don't let 
people know who's on?  Or to look at another way why not try improving how the 
event is promoted to improve numbers and so make it work out money-wise rather 
than change the (musical, I have no quibble with charging) nature of the event?


> From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 March 2008 12:02
> 
> in light of the history of the event, it's terribly unlikely that the
> lineup will not be worth the $40 3-day cost.  besides, most people i
> know go regardless of who is on the lineup, many go simply to support
> detroit.  that is, after all, what the event is all about, isn't it?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, I agree with the below.  And maybe I'm not qualified to comment since 
> > I'm not going.   But while it's an improvement on previous
> >  years to have it confirmed that it definitely is happening at this time 
> > surely at "73 days to go" and you're trying to sell people
> >  $40 / $150 tickets would it not be better to have at least some of the 
> > line-up up at this point rather than just this single web
> >  page (unless I've failed to click on something I needed to)?  I understand 
> > that's not always possible if it's not sorted at this
> >  point but we've been hearing for ages on here that it is?  Why not just 
> > put a few names up to sweeten the thing?  I know folks from
> >  these woods might not need that but maybe more efficient publicity for the 
> > event is a better alternative to commercialising the
> >  line-up if they're trying to get more people there.

Re: (313) demf 2008

[robin]

in light of the history of the event, it's terribly unlikely that the
lineup will not be worth the $40 3-day cost.  besides, most people i
know go regardless of who is on the lineup, many go simply to support
detroit.  that is, after all, what the event is all about, isn't it?


That last point is arguable.

However, most of the value of the weekend is in the after parties and  
just being in Detroit, as it's such an interesting city.


For various reasons (not money) I can't go but I really wish I could  
go again.


robin...

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Frank Glazer]

in light of the history of the event, it's terribly unlikely that the
lineup will not be worth the $40 3-day cost.  besides, most people i
know go regardless of who is on the lineup, many go simply to support
detroit.  that is, after all, what the event is all about, isn't it?

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I agree with the below.  And maybe I'm not qualified to comment since I'm 
> not going.   But while it's an improvement on previous
>  years to have it confirmed that it definitely is happening at this time 
> surely at "73 days to go" and you're trying to sell people
>  $40 / $150 tickets would it not be better to have at least some of the 
> line-up up at this point rather than just this single web
>  page (unless I've failed to click on something I needed to)?  I understand 
> that's not always possible if it's not sorted at this
>  point but we've been hearing for ages on here that it is?  Why not just put 
> a few names up to sweeten the thing?  I know folks from
>  these woods might not need that but maybe more efficient publicity for the 
> event is a better alternative to commercialising the
>  line-up if they're trying to get more people there.
>
>
>
>  > From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: 12 March 2008 01:39
>  >
>  > For however mnml these guys choose to get and give bookings to their
>  > white-late-20s-hipster friends, it's quite a miracle to my life that
>  > it happens.
>
>



-- 
peace,

frank

dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com

RE: (313) demf 2008

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

OK, I agree with the below.  And maybe I'm not qualified to comment since I'm 
not going.   But while it's an improvement on previous
years to have it confirmed that it definitely is happening at this time surely 
at "73 days to go" and you're trying to sell people
$40 / $150 tickets would it not be better to have at least some of the line-up 
up at this point rather than just this single web
page (unless I've failed to click on something I needed to)?  I understand 
that's not always possible if it's not sorted at this
point but we've been hearing for ages on here that it is?  Why not just put a 
few names up to sweeten the thing?  I know folks from
these woods might not need that but maybe more efficient publicity for the 
event is a better alternative to commercialising the
line-up if they're trying to get more people there.



> From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 March 2008 01:39
> 
> For however mnml these guys choose to get and give bookings to their
> white-late-20s-hipster friends, it's quite a miracle to my life that
> it happens.

Re: (313) demf 2008

[Michael Kuszynski]

Sweeet.

For however mnml these guys choose to get and give bookings to their
white-late-20s-hipster friends, it's quite a miracle to my life that
it happens.

I'm sure there's tons of talking back and forth from one techno
universe to another, but for all I care, as me and many friends have
taken on other callings in life besides techno, this is one of the
factors that helps me stay grounded and come back to my Mecca.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM, matt porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A bit of a update.  http://www.demf.com/
>
>
>
>   
> 
>  Looking for last minute shopping deals?
>  Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
>



-- 
---
Michael Kuszynski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.planerecordings.com
New York, NY

(313) demf 2008

[matt porter]

A bit of a update.  http://www.demf.com/ 


  

Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[kent williams]

I have also heard from a friend who will be playing this year, and at
least as it relates to his or her performance, things are still not
set in stone.

Sorry for the tortured diction but I was trying to say what I could,
without divulging what I was asked not to. ;-)

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:23 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when I talked to jason two months ago, he said that the demf schedule was
>  pretty much worked out.
>
>

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[klaus boss]

Put Your Hands up so I can get my Satisfaction ;)

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> benny can't get no satisfaction... avoid at all cost!
>
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7T49_LPt-8
>
>  Horrible...
>
>
>
>
>  On 25 feb 2008, at 16:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  > then they should pretty much start posting that sh!t
>  >
>  > benny benassi? who he?
>  >
>  > MEK
>  >
>  > "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/24/2008 02:23:33 PM:
>  >
>  >> when I talked to jason two months ago, he said that the demf
>  >> schedule was
>  >
>  >> pretty much worked out.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> - Original Message -
>  >> From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >> To: <313@hyperreal.org>
>  >> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:40 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> dbx (debut of new live set)
>  >>>> mixmaster morris
>  >>>
>  >>> those are nice.
>  >>>
>  >>>> benny benassi
>  >>>
>  >>> i hope this is a joke.
>  >>>
>  >>>> also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and
>  >>>> girl
>  >>>> talk.
>  >>>
>  >>> dear god, no.
>  >>>
>  >>> tom
>  >>
>  >
>
>



-- 
Regards,

Klaus Boss
+4550413432
www.hifly.dk

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Klaas-Jan Jongsma]

benny can't get no satisfaction... avoid at all cost!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7T49_LPt-8

Horrible...


On 25 feb 2008, at 16:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


then they should pretty much start posting that sh!t

benny benassi? who he?

MEK

"/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/24/2008 02:23:33 PM:

when I talked to jason two months ago, he said that the demf  
schedule was



pretty much worked out.


- Original Message -
From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings



On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


dbx (debut of new live set)
mixmaster morris


those are nice.


benny benassi


i hope this is a joke.

also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and  
girl

talk.


dear god, no.

tom

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

then they should pretty much start posting that sh!t

benny benassi? who he?

MEK

"/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/24/2008 02:23:33 PM:

> when I talked to jason two months ago, he said that the demf schedule was

> pretty much worked out.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings
>
>
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>  dbx (debut of new live set)
> >>  mixmaster morris
> >
> > those are nice.
> >
> >>  benny benassi
> >
> > i hope this is a joke.
> >
> >>  also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and girl
> >>  talk.
> >
> > dear god, no.
> >
> > tom
>

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Carlos de Brito]

> I think I am KJ, Benassi is the "can't get no satisfaction" guy, that  
> f** guy - my bad...
> 
> m

yes, he is. and he's also the guy who won the remix grammy a few weeks ago, 
instead of c2.

c*

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Martin Dust]

On 25 Feb 2008, at 10:34, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote:



On 25 feb 2008, at 11:02, Martin Dust wrote:



On 24 Feb 2008, at 19:40, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


dbx (debut of new live set)
mixmaster morris


those are nice.


benny benassi


Wonder how many people will put their hands up? ;)


Aren't you confusing him with our own dutch pride *cough* Fedde Le  
Grand? But then both make extremely lame music... I recon people  
will put there hands up and maybe a finger as well ;-)


I think I am KJ, Benassi is the "can't get no satisfaction" guy, that  
f** guy - my bad...


m

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Klaas-Jan Jongsma]

On 25 feb 2008, at 11:02, Martin Dust wrote:



On 24 Feb 2008, at 19:40, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


dbx (debut of new live set)
mixmaster morris


those are nice.


benny benassi


Wonder how many people will put there hands up? ;)


Aren't you confusing him with our own dutch pride *cough* Fedde Le  
Grand? But then both make extremely lame music... I recon people will  
put there hands up and maybe a finger as well ;-)

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Martin Dust]

On 24 Feb 2008, at 19:40, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


dbx (debut of new live set)
mixmaster morris


those are nice.


benny benassi


Wonder how many people will put there hands up? ;)

m

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[/0]

when I talked to jason two months ago, he said that the demf schedule was 
pretty much worked out.



- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings



On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 dbx (debut of new live set)
 mixmaster morris


those are nice.


 benny benassi


i hope this is a joke.


 also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and girl
 talk.


dear god, no.

tom 

Re: (313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, KHJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  dbx (debut of new live set)
>  mixmaster morris

those are nice.

>  benny benassi

i hope this is a joke.

>  also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and girl
>  talk.

dear god, no.

tom

(313) DEMF 2008 rumored bookings

[KHJ]

Taken from a post on Rhythmism:


couple names i've seen rumored or who've listed the dates on their myspace...

bruno pronsato
alex under
dbx (debut of new live set)
jamie jones
mixmaster morris
benny benassi

also heard more vague talk of paxahau trying to book m.i.a. and girl
talk. a bit of a departure from last year but not too surprising.

http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65135

DEMF changing profile

Re: (313) demf 2008?

[kent williams]

Haha. Actually KJ, if you're coming over, it wouldn't hurt to ask
around with Detroit musicians about used gear they might want to sell.
Bringing back something new will incur significant tarriffs, where
used gear may not.  Maybe Mad Mike will sell you that 808 out of the
display case ;-)

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Either that or spend it on that new Prophet '08 Module ;-)
>
>  On 14 feb 2008, at 17:15, kent williams wrote:
>
>  > Ah yes, the first sign of the coming spring: Someone asking about
>  > the Festival!
>  > Honestly I don't know why Paxahau doesn't start announcing line-up a
>  > little earlier, to attract overseas fans.
>  >
>  > Especially now since Bush has turned the dollar into a gum wrapper.
>  > Hey all you foreign kids! When was the last time you got a new release
>  > 12" for 5 Euros?  Had a full fry-up breakfast for 4 Euros? Paid 2
>  > Euros for a beer?
>  >
>  > Come to America on the cheap! Making fun of the Americans sliding
>  > obliviously into 3rd World status is a bonus!
>  >
>  > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Matt Chester
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> hey everyone - any news on the festival this year?   Do any of you
>  >> know
>  >> if it's going ahead as normal?
>  >>
>  >> Does anyone know any people who are putting on afterparties etc?
>  >> Myself
>  >> and Guy Thackeray (DJ Guy / non stop djs) are going to be back out
>  >> there
>  >> again this year, would be cool to hook up a gig or two this time
>  >> around
>  >> if possible...  ;)  if you know of anything happening please hit me
>  >> up
>  >> off list!
>  >>
>  >> cheers,
>  >> matt
>  >>
>
>

Re: (313) demf 2008?

[Klaas-Jan Jongsma]

Either that or spend it on that new Prophet '08 Module ;-)


On 14 feb 2008, at 17:15, kent williams wrote:

Ah yes, the first sign of the coming spring: Someone asking about  
the Festival!

Honestly I don't know why Paxahau doesn't start announcing line-up a
little earlier, to attract overseas fans.

Especially now since Bush has turned the dollar into a gum wrapper.
Hey all you foreign kids! When was the last time you got a new release
12" for 5 Euros?  Had a full fry-up breakfast for 4 Euros? Paid 2
Euros for a beer?

Come to America on the cheap! Making fun of the Americans sliding
obliviously into 3rd World status is a bonus!

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Matt Chester
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hey everyone - any news on the festival this year?   Do any of you  
know

if it's going ahead as normal?

Does anyone know any people who are putting on afterparties etc?   
Myself
and Guy Thackeray (DJ Guy / non stop djs) are going to be back out  
there
again this year, would be cool to hook up a gig or two this time  
around
if possible...  ;)  if you know of anything happening please hit me  
up

off list!

cheers,
matt

Re: (313) demf 2008?

[kent williams]

Ah yes, the first sign of the coming spring: Someone asking about the Festival!
Honestly I don't know why Paxahau doesn't start announcing line-up a
little earlier, to attract overseas fans.

Especially now since Bush has turned the dollar into a gum wrapper.
Hey all you foreign kids! When was the last time you got a new release
12" for 5 Euros?  Had a full fry-up breakfast for 4 Euros? Paid 2
Euros for a beer?

Come to America on the cheap! Making fun of the Americans sliding
obliviously into 3rd World status is a bonus!

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Matt Chester
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey everyone - any news on the festival this year?   Do any of you know
>  if it's going ahead as normal?
>
>  Does anyone know any people who are putting on afterparties etc?  Myself
>  and Guy Thackeray (DJ Guy / non stop djs) are going to be back out there
>  again this year, would be cool to hook up a gig or two this time around
>  if possible...  ;)  if you know of anything happening please hit me up
>  off list!
>
>  cheers,
>  matt
>

(313) demf 2008?

[Matt Chester]

hey everyone - any news on the festival this year?   Do any of you know 
if it's going ahead as normal?   

Does anyone know any people who are putting on afterparties etc?  Myself 
and Guy Thackeray (DJ Guy / non stop djs) are going to be back out there 
again this year, would be cool to hook up a gig or two this time around 
if possible...  ;)  if you know of anything happening please hit me up 
off list!


cheers,
matt