subject:"$313$ no $ellen$ alliens in nyc"

Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread /0

christ, hire me for INS duty.

all german techno girl DJs get in free! :)

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From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

 My guess is that we'll start seeing even more artists getting denied entry
 into the U.S. Hopefully this won't affect Movement anymore, but I wouldn't
 be suprised if it did.

 The INS announced a couple of months ago that it was going to get stricter
 with work visas for artists and entertainers. They feel that this would be
 an easier route for terrorists to enter the country, seeing as the
 requirements aren't as strict as those to obtain a permanent work visa
(i.e.
 needing a college degree or official certification in your field).

 But even beyond those reasons, the INS has more power than many realize to
 deny people, and for a variety of reasons. If Ellen Allien had even some
 misdemeanor charge for jaywalking on her record, they could use that as
 reason to turn her back. Actually, they don't even need a reason. They
could
 have just thought female techno dj from Germany travelling with all these
 records...hthis doesn't appeal to my conservative outlook.
 DENIED!.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 oooh, I wonder how much this (customs and increased security) will
affect
 Movement this year?

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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight





And that's why I'm voting for  __  and against Bush/Cheney/Rove





  
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My guess is that we'll start seeing even more artists getting denied entry
into the U.S. Hopefully this won't affect Movement anymore, but I wouldn't
be suprised if it did.

The INS announced a couple of months ago that it was going to get stricter
with work visas for artists and entertainers. They feel that this would be
an easier route for terrorists to enter the country, seeing as the
requirements aren't as strict as those to obtain a permanent work visa
(i.e.
needing a college degree or official certification in your field).

But even beyond those reasons, the INS has more power than many realize to
deny people, and for a variety of reasons. If Ellen Allien had even some
misdemeanor charge for jaywalking on her record, they could use that as
reason to turn her back. Actually, they don't even need a reason. They
could
have just thought female techno dj from Germany travelling with all these
records...hthis doesn't appeal to my conservative outlook.
DENIED!.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



oooh, I wonder how much this (customs and increased security) will
affect
Movement this year?


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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread /0

oh please no.

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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

 And that's why I'm voting for  __  and against
Bush/Cheney/Rove

   Carissa
   Tintinalli  To:   313@hyperreal.org
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(ellen) alliens in nyc

   05/17/04 05:58 PM

 My guess is that we'll start seeing even more artists getting denied entry
 into the U.S. Hopefully this won't affect Movement anymore, but I wouldn't
 be suprised if it did.

 The INS announced a couple of months ago that it was going to get stricter
 with work visas for artists and entertainers. They feel that this would be
 an easier route for terrorists to enter the country, seeing as the
 requirements aren't as strict as those to obtain a permanent work visa
 (i.e.
 needing a college degree or official certification in your field).

 But even beyond those reasons, the INS has more power than many realize to
 deny people, and for a variety of reasons. If Ellen Allien had even some
 misdemeanor charge for jaywalking on her record, they could use that as
 reason to turn her back. Actually, they don't even need a reason. They
 could
 have just thought female techno dj from Germany travelling with all these
 records...hthis doesn't appeal to my conservative outlook.
 DENIED!.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 oooh, I wonder how much this (customs and increased security) will
 affect
 Movement this year?

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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Carissa Tintinalli


P.S. Also no CLaude Young.


From his post on DetroitLuv.com:


There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am 
only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main 
reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be 
spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake  Dan 
having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival 
doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event 
due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the 
Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down town 
for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out..


(link: 
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;start=90)


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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

but also from Claude...

I have been looking forward to returning to the USA for quite some time
now. I have not been home for over 5 or 6 years now so it will be a real
pleasure for me to meet you all at the event.
I can promise you a night of forward thinking electronic music from all of
us involved and of course we could not do it without you!!! :-)
If you see me please feel free to stop and say hi, id' love to meet you
all. ***This event will be truly special as it is the last 7th City event
and im proud to have been involved in the labels conception with one of my
best friends (DBX)***. I also look forward to seeing my brothers and
sisters in the US again who I have missed so much over the past few years
living here in the UK and Japan respectively.
The music and atmosphere will represent the spirit of Detroit that got me
involved in the early days. One people, one music, various styles. Totally
DETROIT!!!
I will not be performing at the DEMF, and who knows when ill be back in the
US after that so please support this event.
Much respect to you all as you are the true underground
Cheers regards.
Claude Young (cy2)

(asterisks above are mine)
MEK

Carissa

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alliens in nyc

05/17/04 06:54 PM

P.S. Also no CLaude Young.

From his post on DetroitLuv.com:

There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am
only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main
reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be
spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake Dan
having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival
doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event
due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the
Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down
town
for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out..

(link:
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;start=90
)

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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread yussel

he also said something about Chicago adn some Canada gigs.

No good for my LA liviing ass.

I wonder if i can fly in earlier to Detroit without paying a bazillion $$$

probably not- it's northwest.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

but also from Claude...

(asterisks above are mine)
MEK

Carissa
Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc:
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alliens in nyc

05/17/04 06:54 PM

P.S. Also no CLaude Young.

From his post on DetroitLuv.com:

(link:
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;start=90
)

Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Kent williams

Anyone who is coming in to play without buying an artist's visa will
potentially have a hard time.

DJ Vadim ran it down for me -- they have to pay $1k per person for artisitc
work visas and jump through a bunch of hoops to get in the country legally
to perform.  The visa is good for a year, so he generally comes over a couple of
times during a year for which he's bought a visa.

And yes everyone coming in is getting much closer scrutiny.  My brother spent
the night in a customs detention cell recently for having one ritalin tablet
in his car, and had to pay a $500 fine to get back in the country.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 oooh, I wonder how much this (customs and increased security) will affect
 Movement this year?

RE: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread iancheshire

this sucks big time :(

-Original Message- 
From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tue 18/05/2004 02:53 
To: 313 list 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

Anyone who is coming in to play without buying an artist's visa will
potentially have a hard time.

DJ Vadim ran it down for me -- they have to pay $1k per person for 
artisitc
work visas and jump through a bunch of hoops to get in the country 
legally
to perform.  The visa is good for a year, so he generally comes over a 
couple of
times during a year for which he's bought a visa.

And yes everyone coming in is getting much closer scrutiny.  My brother 
spent
the night in a customs detention cell recently for having one ritalin 
tablet
in his car, and had to pay a $500 fine to get back in the country.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 oooh, I wonder how much this (customs and increased security) will 
affect
 Movement this year?

(313) Customs was Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread robin



so, if you dj off a laptop you don't have the dead give away records 
and you get through customs as a tourist.


or am i missing summink?

robin...



On 17 May 2004, at 23:58, Carissa Tintinalli wrote:

My guess is that we'll start seeing even more artists getting denied 
entry into the U.S. Hopefully this won't affect Movement anymore, but 
I wouldn't be suprised if it did.


The INS announced a couple of months ago that it was going to get 
stricter with work visas for artists and entertainers. They feel that 
this would be an easier route for terrorists to enter the country, 
seeing as the requirements aren't as strict as those to obtain a 
permanent work visa (i.e. needing a college degree or official 
certification in your field).


But even beyond those reasons, the INS has more power than many 
realize to deny people, and for a variety of reasons. If Ellen Allien 
had even some misdemeanor charge for jaywalking on her record, they 
could use that as reason to turn her back. Actually, they don't even 
need a reason. They could have just thought female techno dj from 
Germany travelling with all these records...hthis doesn't 
appeal to my conservative outlook. DENIED!.

AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Katrin Richter

Hey Resistance,

all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch to ask for
the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, apparantly, her
visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with
people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that the bookers
cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. It's totally
random and no one knows what's going on.

Peace
Kat



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54
An: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

P.S. Also no CLaude Young.

From his post on DetroitLuv.com:

There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am
only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main
reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be
spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake  Dan
having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival
doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event
due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the
Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down town
for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out..

(link:
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s
tart=90)

_

RE: (313) Customs was Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Carissa Tintinalli

I'll give Ellen and her tour organizers the benefit of the doubt and assume 
they did apply for a work visa...considering she had some important dates in 
the U.S., I doubt she would have tried to enter the country without applying 
for the official paperwork.


My comment about her records was saying that, regardless if she had the 
proper documentation, they could still deny her entry simply because of what 
she was (although it's possible there was another reason like a criminal 
record, but I suppose only Ellen and the agents know that).


I'm not sure how it works in the U.S., but in Canada we have 
artiost/entertainers visas that you can obtain for specific dates (unlike a 
one year work visa). The catch with these is that you send all the paperwork 
to the place where you will be entering the country, but you're not actually 
approved until you get there. Meaning an artist can get to the border and 
not find out whether their application has been accepted or denied until 
they arrive.


But even if Ellen had a one year visa and this had been set up through an 
American consulate in Germany, it's still ultimately the decision of those 
agents who question her when she arrives to let her into the country, $1000 
approved visa or not. :-/




From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Customs was Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:37:46 +0100


so, if you dj off a laptop you don't have the dead give away records and 
you get through customs as a tourist.


or am i missing summink?

robin...



On 17 May 2004, at 23:58, Carissa Tintinalli wrote:

My guess is that we'll start seeing even more artists getting denied entry 
into the U.S. Hopefully this won't affect Movement anymore, but I wouldn't 
be suprised if it did.


The INS announced a couple of months ago that it was going to get stricter 
with work visas for artists and entertainers. They feel that this would be 
an easier route for terrorists to enter the country, seeing as the 
requirements aren't as strict as those to obtain a permanent work visa 
(i.e. needing a college degree or official certification in your field).


But even beyond those reasons, the INS has more power than many realize to 
deny people, and for a variety of reasons. If Ellen Allien had even some 
misdemeanor charge for jaywalking on her record, they could use that as 
reason to turn her back. Actually, they don't even need a reason. They 
could have just thought female techno dj from Germany travelling with all 
these records...hthis doesn't appeal to my conservative 
outlook. DENIED!.




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RE: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread Carissa Tintinalli

Okay, that makes sense. That decision to deny her based on her entry point 
may seem a bit anal, I'm telling you, I live in Windsor and attend school in 
Detroit and deal with these people every day. They can get very nitpicky. 
I've been pulled over, asked to show all my documents, asked my entire 
coursehistory (with grades!!) and shown my student that IMMIGRATION HAD 
STAMPED AND SIGNED and had an officer STILL say he didn't believe I was 
enrolled in school. It's almost hilarious at times.


It is ultimately then responsibility of Ellen and her agents to know details 
like having to enter at the port that is specified on her visa, but I can 
completely undertsand them not knowing. There is ZERO consistency with 
immigration procedures right now, and it's an extremely confusing process.




From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org
Subject: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:01:41 +0200

Hey Resistance,

all Ellen did was trying to enter through Canada. I phoned Bpitch to ask 
for

the details. If she would have tried to enter from Germany, apparantly, her
visa would be okay. Does anyone know why the US is so restrictive with
people coming from just across the boarder Shema to see that the 
bookers
cannot react to the quick changes of law and order and custums. It's 
totally

random and no one knows what's going on.

Peace
Kat



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 01:54
An: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

P.S. Also no CLaude Young.

From his post on DetroitLuv.com:

There was a misunderstanding with the booking for movement / demf. I am
only playing at the 7th City event, it is my label after all and the main
reason i decided to come home in the first place. Movement will be
spectacular and i will be there in the streets (probably with Shake  Dan
having a good time and visiting friends and family). but the festival
doesn't need me to be there to happen. Im only involved in my labels event
due to time constraints on my schedule in the USA. I fully support the
Movement festival 100%. So check it out if you can and ill see you down 
town

for a beer and a chat, 4 SURE!!! C out..

(link:
http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=14685;s
tart=90)

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Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc

2004-05-18 Thread John Coleman

[sarcasm]Well, I know *I* feel much safer now...[/sarcasm]

 i just spoke with her agent.

 ALL US dates are cancelled. Thank your friendly neighborhood customs
 agent

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