Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[George Abraham]

Penalising the blind student by putting restrictions on the scribe is hugely
unfair. If people are abusing the facility, it is up to the system to catch
them and bring them to book. As it is, the blind person is disadvantaged and
if he has to run around toorganise the documentation and meet the different
requirements of exam boards, God help him. The simple way forward is to
strengthen the invigilation and be severe on any infringements. If the onus
of providing scribes is left to the exam boards, then the blind talent is
seriously compromised. I have met people who have written the civil services
exams where the scribe offered was a watchman. Do not think that is fair.
  

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start.
Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints received by
the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes provided by
SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even worse.  There are
a number of newspaper reports'  detailing this harsh reality. I'm sure there
are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the point home that restriction or
necessity of a lower grade scribe is regressive idea.


On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni  wrote:
> I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views.  Strict supervision and if 
> necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great 
> extense.
>
> Renuka.
>
> On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula  wrote:
>> Kanchan,
>> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of 
>> CCTV is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam 
>> centres. I don't think he is talking about video shoot or something 
>> like that.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vasu
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
>>
>> Let's create an inclusive web!
>>
>> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for 
>>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for 
>>> exams in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>>>   -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video 
>>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording 
>>> should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if 
>>> any cheating happened.
>>> for any
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.' 
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>>
>>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these 
>>> but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
>>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>>>
>>> 1.  SSC
>>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility 
>>> which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the 
>>> examination.
>>> It
>>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other 
>>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the 
>>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of 
>>> unfair practises could also be high.
>>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining 
>>> Authority
>>>
>>> 2.  CBSE
>>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in 
>>> which the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be 
>>> one class lower than the candidate
>>> 3.  National Trust
>>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the 
>>> need of the examination and should be conversant with the language 
>>> of the examination.
>>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the 
>>> PwD/candidate.
>>> KP Ok
>>> 4.   IPH
>>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written 
>>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the 
>>> scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using 
>>> procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge 
>>> of vocabulary used in the test.
>>> Scribe 

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Second Yajesh and Gupta.

On 12/14/17, Avee Gupta  wrote:
> I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe
> guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's  of various
> examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi
> folded in these 4 years .
> Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level
> of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in
> exams  with the help of scribes.
> The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path
> breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about
> 2 marks with general category .
> I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive
> forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that
> we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can
> assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving
> candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws
> and nvda be selected for such posts.
> my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres
> rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be
> invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new
> technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the
> knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in
> their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen
> reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving
> candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares.
> thanks and regards
> Avee Gupta
> UIICL
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[avinash shahi]

Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start.
Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints
received by the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes
provided by SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even
worse.  There are a number of newspaper reports'  detailing this harsh
reality. I'm sure there are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the
point home that restriction or necessity of a lower grade scribe is
regressive idea.


On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni  wrote:
> I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views.  Strict supervision and if
> necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great
> extense.
>
> Renuka.
>
> On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula  wrote:
>> Kanchan,
>> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of
>> CCTV
>> is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I
>> don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vasu
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
>>
>> Let's create an inclusive web!
>>
>> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
>>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in
>>> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>>>   -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
>>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should
>>> be
>>> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
>>> happened.
>>> for any
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.' 
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>>
>>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but
>>> got
>>> foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
>>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>>>
>>> 1.  SSC
>>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility
>>> which
>>> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the
>>> examination.
>>> It
>>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
>>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
>>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of
>>> unfair
>>> practises could also be high.
>>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>>>
>>> 2.  CBSE
>>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which
>>> the
>>> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
>>> than the candidate
>>> 3.  National Trust
>>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of
>>> the
>>> examination and should be conversant with the language of the
>>> examination.
>>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the
>>> PwD/candidate.
>>> KP Ok
>>> 4.   IPH
>>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
>>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the
>>> scribe
>>> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
>>> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary
>>> used
>>> in the test.
>>> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the
>>> same
>>> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK
>>> NIVH
>>> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level
>>> examination
>>> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master
>>> Level
>>> Examination the scribe cab be from a different
>>> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from
>>> the
>>> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a
>>> case
>>> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60%
>>> For
>>> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate
>>> upto
>>> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than
>>> that
>>> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an
>>> 11th
>>> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a
>>> scribe
>>> 10th

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Renuka Warriar Edakkunni]

I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views.  Strict supervision and if
necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great
extense.

Renuka.

On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula  wrote:
> Kanchan,
> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of CCTV
> is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I
> don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that.
>
> Best,
> Vasu
>
> Regards,
>
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
>
> Let's create an inclusive web!
>
> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
> wrote:
>
>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in
>> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>>   -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dinesh Kaushal
>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>
>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should
>> be
>> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
>> happened.
>> for any
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.' 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>
>>
>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but
>> got
>> foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>>
>> 1.  SSC
>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility
>> which
>> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination.
>> It
>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of
>> unfair
>> practises could also be high.
>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>>
>> 2.  CBSE
>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which
>> the
>> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
>> than the candidate
>> 3.  National Trust
>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of
>> the
>> examination and should be conversant with the language of the
>> examination.
>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
>> KP Ok
>> 4.   IPH
>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the
>> scribe
>> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
>> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary
>> used
>> in the test.
>> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the
>> same
>> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH
>> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level
>> examination
>> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master
>> Level
>> Examination the scribe cab be from a different
>> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from
>> the
>> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a
>> case
>> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60%
>> For
>> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto
>> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than
>> that
>> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th
>> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a
>> scribe
>> 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of
>> marks.
>>
>> CCPD
>> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe
>> or
>> request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
>> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
>> scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc
>> The
>> Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however
>> scribe
>> frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
>> qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close
>> relatives will not be allowed as scribe.
>>
>> Close relative OK

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula]

Kanchan,
I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of CCTV
is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I
don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that.

Best,
Vasu

Regards,

Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com

Let's create an inclusive web!

Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in
> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>   -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be
> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
> happened.
> for any
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.' 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
>
> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but
> got
> foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>
> 1.  SSC
> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which
> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination.
> It
> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair
> practises could also be high.
> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>
> 2.  CBSE
> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the
> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
> than the candidate
> 3.  National Trust
> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of
> the
> examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination.
> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
> KP Ok
> 4.   IPH
> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe
> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used
> in the test.
> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the
> same
> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH
> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level
> examination
> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master
> Level
> Examination the scribe cab be from a different
> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case
> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60%
> For
> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto
> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that
> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th
> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe
> 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks.
>
> CCPD
> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or
> request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
> scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc
> The
> Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe
> frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
> qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close
> relatives will not be allowed as scribe.
>
> Close relative OK
>
> V 1. SSC
> Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The
> overall
> conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to
> check malpractices
>
> 2. CBSC
> Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in
> which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should be
> one class lower th

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Avee Gupta]

I agree with the opinion of not imposing any restrictions on scribe
guidelines but as far as my knowledge the cut of's  of various
examinations like IBPS and SBI officer as well as clerical have multi
folded in these 4 years .
Since 2014 the cut off has almost doubled instead of the rise in level
of several examinations due to mal practices of several candidates in
exams  with the help of scribes.
The latest recruitment for SBI- probationary officer saw a path
breaking cut off for visually impaired having difference of only about
2 marks with general category .
I think now it is a very alarming situation and we should strive
forward for use of technology in exams for visually impaired so that
we can give freely our exams without help of any individual and I can
assure that the cut off's will definitely go down and only deserving
candidates with sound knowledge of screen reading softwares like jaws
and nvda be selected for such posts.
my opinion rests with use of screen reading softwares in exam centres
rather than use of scribes which are very much difficult to be
invigilated at the exam centres and now with the advent of new
technology each and every visually impaired must be aquinted with the
knowledge of screen reading softwares for there day to day work in
their offices and the exam if conducted with the help of screen
reading softwares will definitely be helpful to recruit only deserving
candidates with satisfactory knowledge of screen reading softwares.
thanks and regards
Avee Gupta
UIICL

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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Yogesh Chhabra]

I believe invigilation should be more strict and strengthened rather
than putting restrictions. an examiner should be seeted in front of
the candidate similar to railway examinations where a separate
examiner was there in frunt of VI candidate and was seeing the
activities. it is more fair and correct. let's take an example if in a
hall all VI candidates are giving exams, 2-3 examiners can invigilate
the activities and they can satisfy themselves. if they find something
which should not happen then examiner should have a rite to make the
vidio of such candidate so that facts can be recorded.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Turab,
> These guidelines are supposed to apply all over India and for every exam
> but
> I am told today that I I T  has its own rules for scribes for the entrance
> exams and they are not relenting.  In this matter partially the courts seem
> to have gone against us. I don't have the judgement but I wonder why it was
> not taken to the Supreme court by our friends on this list.
> K
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of turab chimthanawala
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:12
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> Dear Kanchan Ma'am,
> Apologies for not contributing much to the precise question as I do not
> have
> the OM at hand.
> My only request is that whatever the outcome of the meeting, please ensure
> that
>
>  the guidelines formulated are uniform for all exams having overriding
> effect over all unique and stupid rules or sub rules of the concerned
> university/ college/ institute.
> It is frustrating and irritating to fulfill unique criteria for different
> exams.
> Also, please ensure that these guidelines are circulated to all concerned.
> It is a  horrifying experience to fight with the exam authorities a day
> before the exam.
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Best
> Turab
>
> On 12/14/17, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check
>> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
>> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
>> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an
>> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
>> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of
>> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at
>> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
>> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern
>> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined
>> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>>
>>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
>>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>>
>>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I think keeping one grade lower may work in school and university
examination if taking scribe from the same stream, but this formula
shouldn't be fixed for competetive examination. As most of the
competetive examination have the eligibility being graduate, as
happens in most of the state and all India civil services examination.
It mean all the time a candidate appearing in civil services
examination will have to necessarily engage a scribe who has not
earned his bachellor degree. It will be a harsh restriction looking at
the examination pattern, as the scribe should be quite efficient in
reading and writing. moreover one grade lower criteria may be
problematic in UGC NET and Centrel Eligibility test, as the
eligibility of UGC Net exam is Master degree, mean  first year student
of the same master degree may sit as the scribe of the candidate? Here
again the chances of cheating will be there.
Therefore better we defend the currently existing office memorendum .

On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> How about this :
>
> 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate
>
>
> a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer,
> the scribe/writer   should be one grade junior in academic qualification
> than the candidate if from the same stream.  However, this condition shall
> not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream.
>
> b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the
> eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration.
>
> c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe
> being one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate should
> not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue hardship to the
> candidate
> and give rise to unviable solutions.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Amit Jain
> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have
> no
> chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly
> teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and
> research) and in some cases doctoral students.
>
> Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the
> following
>
> 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam
> previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be
> that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall
> marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the
> first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA
> students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict
> totally the overqualified  people as scribe then first year students in
> residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to
> help
> them and they may not be in their city of schooling  Not sure how this can
> translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc.
>
> 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be
> there.
>
> In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group.
>
> Regards
> ]Amit Jain
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
> wrote:
>
>> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA
> course?
>> What else can I give to salvage this situation.
>> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Amit Jain
>> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>
>> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.
>>
>> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the
>> first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of
>> question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb
>> and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will
>> happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city.
>>
>> Regards
>> Amit
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani
>> > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Lets get the facts straight.
>> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
>> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
>> > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
>> > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined
>> > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has
>> > taken it up legally.
>> > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by
>> > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in o

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

OK now I am closing. 
If any one wants to get in touch please call on +919022029126.
Don't call between 7 am and 9.30am as I will be on the flight. 
Meeting at 11am. 
K

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Of Amit Jain
Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no
chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly
teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and
research) and in some cases doctoral students.

Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the
following

1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam
previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be
that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall
marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the
first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA
students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict
totally the overqualified  people as scribe then first year students in
residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help
them and they may not be in their city of schooling  Not sure how this can
translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc.

2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be
there.

In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group.

Regards
]Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA
course?
> What else can I give to salvage this situation.
> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Amit Jain
> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.
>
> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the 
> first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of 
> question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb 
> and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will 
> happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city.
>
> Regards
> Amit
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Lets get the facts straight.
> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined 
> > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has 
> > taken it up legally.
> > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by 
> > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one 
> > of the meetings.
> > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and 
> > figures to back them.
> > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms.
> > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these 
> > guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has 
> > taken a different stand.
> > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then:
> > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be 
> > allowed as scribe.
> > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in 
> > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you 
> > all could respond to this I will be grateful.
> > Thanks
> > Kanchan
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because 
> > of bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam 
> > centres, and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe 
> > guidelines set by public authorities like so called public service 
> > commissions of the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up 
> > the committee for looking the possibility for changing such 
> > revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what 
> > has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should  
> > be on the exam conducting author

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Turab, 
These guidelines are supposed to apply all over India and for every exam but
I am told today that I I T  has its own rules for scribes for the entrance
exams and they are not relenting.  In this matter partially the courts seem
to have gone against us. I don't have the judgement but I wonder why it was
not taken to the Supreme court by our friends on this list. 
K 

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: 14 December 2017 17:12
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

Dear Kanchan Ma'am,
Apologies for not contributing much to the precise question as I do not have
the OM at hand.
My only request is that whatever the outcome of the meeting, please ensure
that

 the guidelines formulated are uniform for all exams having overriding
effect over all unique and stupid rules or sub rules of the concerned
university/ college/ institute.
It is frustrating and irritating to fulfill unique criteria for different
exams.
Also, please ensure that these guidelines are circulated to all concerned.
It is a  horrifying experience to fight with the exam authorities a day
before the exam.
Thanks in anticipation.
Best
Turab

On 12/14/17, avinash shahi  wrote:
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check 
> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user 
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement 
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an 
> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of 
> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at 
> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary 
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern 
> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined 
> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this 
>> decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by 
>> our community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

How about this :

3. Scribes chosen by Candidate 
 

a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer,
the scribe/writer   should be one grade junior in academic qualification
than the candidate if from the same stream.  However, this condition shall
not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream.

b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the
eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration.

c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe
being one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate should
not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue hardship to the candidate
and give rise to unviable solutions.   

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amit Jain
Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no
chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly
teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and
research) and in some cases doctoral students.

Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the
following

1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam
previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be
that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall
marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the
first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA
students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict
totally the overqualified  people as scribe then first year students in
residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help
them and they may not be in their city of schooling  Not sure how this can
translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc.

2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be
there.

In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group.

Regards
]Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA
course?
> What else can I give to salvage this situation.
> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Amit Jain
> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.
>
> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the 
> first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of 
> question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb 
> and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will 
> happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city.
>
> Regards
> Amit
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
>  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Lets get the facts straight.
> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined 
> > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has 
> > taken it up legally.
> > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by 
> > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one 
> > of the meetings.
> > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and 
> > figures to back them.
> > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms.
> > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these 
> > guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has 
> > taken a different stand.
> > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then:
> > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be 
> > allowed as scribe.
> > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in 
> > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you 
> > all could respond to this I will be grateful.
> > Thanks
> > Kanchan
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > The court doesn't take notic

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Amit Jain]

I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have
no chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly
teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and
research) and in some cases doctoral students.

Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the
following

1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam
previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be
that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall
marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the
first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA
students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict
totally the overqualified  people as scribe then first year students in
residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to
help them and they may not be in their city of schooling  Not sure how this
can translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc.

2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be
there.

In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group.

Regards
]Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course?
> What else can I give to salvage this situation.
> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Amit Jain
> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.
>
> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first
> year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so
> there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend
> on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the
> campus colleges which are far away from the city.
>
> Regards
> Amit
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Lets get the facts straight.
> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined
> > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has
> > taken it up legally.
> > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by
> > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of
> > the meetings.
> > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures
> > to back them.
> > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms.
> > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these guidelines
> > that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has taken a
> > different stand.
> > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then:
> > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed
> > as scribe.
> > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in
> > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you
> > all could respond to this I will be grateful.
> > Thanks
> > Kanchan
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of
> > bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres,
> > and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines
> > set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of
> > the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for
> > looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe
> > guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by
> > Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should  be on the exam
> > conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by
> providing computer and screenreaders.
> >
> > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> > > Avinash
> > > Agree with you completely.
> > > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban
> > > of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the
> > > onus on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> > > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are
> > > going

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

GoodAbichal. Now we come to the truth. 
I will still defend the guidelines however if I have to give in then what
limited restriction should I accept.
I think one year lower is liveable. What do others think. 
Kanchan 
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Of Avichal Bhatnagar
Sent: 14 December 2017 19:23
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

I might be castigated for saying this, but still I will say it as it is the
truth.
There needs to be some reasonable restrictions on scribes as I myself have
seen people of my own community blatantly misusing the provisions put in
place for helping them.
Those places where computer operations are a part of the job, exams should
compulsorily be taken on the computer in accessible environment.
For university, school and other academic exams, scribes of similar and over
qualification should be absolutely prohibited, Remember, we can claim our
rights only if and when we are eligible for judiciously using them.


On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>
> Lets get the facts straight.
> 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined 
> our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has 
> taken it up legally.
> 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by 
> the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of 
> the meetings.
> 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures 
> to back them.
> 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. 
> Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 8. I will defend these guidelines 
> even -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of 
> bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, 
> and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines 
> set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of 
> the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for 
> looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe 
> guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by 
> Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should  be on the exam 
> conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by 
> providing computer and screenreaders.
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Avinash
>> Agree with you completely.
>> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban 
>> of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus 
>> on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
>> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going 
>> to fall.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of avinash shahi
>> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>
>> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check 
>> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user 
>> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement 
>> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an 
>> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
>> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of 
>> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at 
>> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with 
>> unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in 
>> the patern of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which 
>> had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer
rules.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>>
>>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
>>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>>
>>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>>
>>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of
> hand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please help!
>>>
>>> At present the

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Avichal Bhatnagar]

I might be castigated for saying this, but still I will say it as it
is the truth.
There needs to be some reasonable restrictions on scribes as I myself
have seen people of my own community blatantly misusing the provisions
put in place for helping them.
Those places where computer operations are a part of the job, exams
should compulsorily be taken on the computer in accessible
environment.
For university, school and other academic exams, scribes of similar
and over qualification should be absolutely prohibited,
Remember, we can claim our rights only if and when we are eligible for
judiciously using them.


On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>
> Lets get the facts straight.
> 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our
> juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it
> up legally.
> 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the
> Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the
> meetings.
> 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to
> back them.
> 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha
> Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I
> 8. I will defend these guidelines even
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad
> scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also
> court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public
> authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes,
> court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the
> possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am
> totally in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of
> strict invigilation should  be on the exam conducting authority, or
> provide accessible examination environment by providing computer and
> screenreaders.
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Avinash
>> Agree with you completely.
>> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
>> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on
>> the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
>> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going
>> to fall.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of avinash shahi
>> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>
>> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check
>> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
>> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
>> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an
>> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
>> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of
>> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at
>> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
>> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern
>> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined
>> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>>
>>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
>>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>>
>>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>>
>>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of
> hand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please help!
>>>
>>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
>>> our community
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> K
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course?
What else can I give to salvage this situation. 
See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amit Jain
Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.

Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first
year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so
there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend
on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the
campus colleges which are far away from the city.

Regards
Amit

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

>
> Lets get the facts straight.
> 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined 
> our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has 
> taken it up legally.
> 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by 
> the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of 
> the meetings.
> 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures 
> to back them.
> 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. 
> Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these guidelines 
> that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has taken a 
> different stand.
> 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then:
> a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed 
> as scribe.
> B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in 
> question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you 
> all could respond to this I will be grateful.
> Thanks
> Kanchan
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of 
> bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, 
> and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines 
> set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of 
> the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for 
> looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe 
> guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by 
> Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should  be on the exam 
> conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by
providing computer and screenreaders.
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> > Avinash
> > Agree with you completely.
> > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban 
> > of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the 
> > onus on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are 
> > going to fall.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> > Behalf Of avinash shahi
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to 
> > check the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how 
> > non-scribe user examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict 
> > enforcement mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational 
> > qualification is an absurd and the government had rightly done away with
in the past.
> > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority 
> > of jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares 
> > at the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with 
> > unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms 
> > in the patern of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions 
> > which had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory
writer rules.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
> >>
> >> What limitations can we allow on scribes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
> >> sc

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Amit Jain]

At our institute we were looking at video recording as a method of
vigilance not an alternate to written answers. But then question was raised
about quality of audio which brought to have audio recording also and then
the whole debate came up

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

>
>
> Dinesh and Amit
> Are we looking at video recording
> a. instead of the written answers or
> b. video recording of the room in which the exam takes place as a method of
> supervision. Please clarify.
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Amit Jain
> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:59
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable.
> When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on
> the
> following
>
> 1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a
> seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe
> would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is
> recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that
> the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we
> can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be
> people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be
> able to speak loud
>
> People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my
> experience
>
> Regards
> Amit Jain
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani  >
> wrote:
>
> > Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
> > strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams
> > in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
> >   -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> > Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
> > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled.'
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
> > recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording
> > should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any
> > cheating happened.
> > for any
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> > Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
> > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled.' 
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> >
> > See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these
> > but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
> > Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
> >
> > 1.  SSC
> > Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility
> > which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the
> examination.
> > It
> > also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
> > candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
> > Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of
> > unfair practises could also be high.
> > Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
> >
> > 2.  CBSE
> > Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which
> > the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class
> > lower than the candidate
> > 3.  National Trust
> > Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need
> > of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the
> > examination.
> > He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
> > KP Ok
> > 4.   IPH
> > Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
> > assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the
> > scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using
> > procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of
> > vocabulary used in the test.
> > Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have
> > the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the
> > candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of
> > graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a
> > different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be
> > from a different
> > discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from
> the
> > same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a
> > case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more
> > than 60% For entrance and school tests involv

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Amit Jain]

One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say.

Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first
year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so
there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend
on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the
campus colleges which are far away from the city.

Regards
Amit

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

>
> Lets get the facts straight.
> 1. These guidelines are wonderful.
> 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.
> 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities.
> 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our
> juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it
> up
> legally.
> 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the
> Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the
> meetings.
> 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court.
> 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to
> back them.
> 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha
> Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I
> 9. I will defend these guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even
> though NIVH has taken a different stand.
> 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then:
> a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed as
> scribe.
> B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in
> question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you all
> could respond to this I will be grateful.
> Thanks
> Kanchan
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad
> scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also
> court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public
> authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes,
> court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the
> possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally
> in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict
> invigilation should  be on the exam conducting authority, or provide
> accessible examination environment by providing computer and screenreaders.
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> > Avinash
> > Agree with you completely.
> > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
> > private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on
> > the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going
> > to fall.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> > Behalf Of avinash shahi
> > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
> >
> > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check
> > the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
> > examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
> > mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an
> > absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of
> > jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at
> > the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
> > limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern
> > of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined
> > many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
> >>
> >> What limitations can we allow on scribes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
> >> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
> >>
> >> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
> >>
> >> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please help!
> >>
> >> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
> >> our community
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> >> http://www.avg.com
> >> The list has now migrated to ww

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Dinesh and Amit 
Are we looking at video recording 
a. instead of the written answers or 
b. video recording of the room in which the exam takes place as a method of
supervision. Please clarify. 
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amit Jain
Sent: 14 December 2017 18:59
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable.
When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on the
following

1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a
seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe
would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is
recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that
the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we
can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be
people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be
able to speak loud

People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my
experience

Regards
Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for 
> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams 
> in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>   -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video 
> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording 
> should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any 
> cheating happened.
> for any
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.' 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
>
> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these 
> but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>
> 1.  SSC
> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility 
> which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the
examination.
> It
> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other 
> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the 
> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of 
> unfair practises could also be high.
> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>
> 2.  CBSE
> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which 
> the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class 
> lower than the candidate
> 3.  National Trust
> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need 
> of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the 
> examination.
> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
> KP Ok
> 4.   IPH
> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written 
> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the 
> scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using 
> procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of 
> vocabulary used in the test.
> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have 
> the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the 
> candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of 
> graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a 
> different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be 
> from a different
> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a 
> case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more 
> than 60% For entrance and school tests involving basic qualification 
> of candidate upto 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be 
> one step lower than that of the candidate. For example 12th class 
> candidate may be allowed an 11th class with not more than 70% marks. 
> In case the candidate chooses a scribe 10th class pass then there 
> should be no restriction on percentage of marks.
>
> CCPD
> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own 
> scribe or request the examination body for 

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Amit Jain]

As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable.
When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on
the following

1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a
seperate recording required both for audio and video
2. Person and scribe would have to do the talking in descent volume so that
even the audio is recorded and one person in the institute committee went
to the extent that the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need
them on paper, we can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with
recording would be people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy)
where they may not be able to speak loud

People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my
experience

Regards
Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in
> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>   -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be
> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
> happened.
> for any
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.' 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
>
> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but
> got
> foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>
> 1.  SSC
> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which
> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination.
> It
> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair
> practises could also be high.
> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>
> 2.  CBSE
> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the
> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
> than the candidate
> 3.  National Trust
> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of
> the
> examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination.
> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
> KP Ok
> 4.   IPH
> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe
> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used
> in the test.
> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the
> same
> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH
> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level
> examination
> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master
> Level
> Examination the scribe cab be from a different
> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case
> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60%
> For
> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto
> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that
> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th
> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe
> 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks.
>
> CCPD
> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or
> request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
> scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc
> The
> Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe
> frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
> qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close
> relatives will not be allowed as scribe.
>
> Close relative OK
>
> V 1. SSC
> Scribe prov

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Lets get the facts straight.
1. These guidelines are wonderful. 
2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.  
3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. 
4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our
juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it
up legally. 
5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the
Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the
meetings.  
6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. 
7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to
back them. 
8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha
Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 
8. I will defend these guidelines even  
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad
scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also
court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public
authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes,
court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the
possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am
totally in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of
strict invigilation should  be on the exam conducting authority, or
provide accessible examination environment by providing computer and
screenreaders.

On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Avinash
> Agree with you completely.
> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of 
> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on 
> the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going 
> to fall.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check 
> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user 
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement 
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an 
> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of 
> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at 
> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary 
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern 
> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined 
> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of
hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by 
>> our community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in
schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. 
  -Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Dinesh Kaushal
Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be
submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
happened.
for any 



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.' 
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent


See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but got
foxed with NIVH -our apex body. 
Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. 

1.  SSC
Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which
could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. It
also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair
practises could also be high. 
Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority

2.  CBSE
Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the
candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
than the candidate 
3.  National Trust 
Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination.
He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
KP Ok   
4.   IPH 
Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe
must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used
in the test.
Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the same
scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH
NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level examination
the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master Level
Examination the scribe cab be from a different
discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case
the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% For
entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto
12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that
of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th
class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe
10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks.

CCPD
The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or
request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc The
Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe
frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close
relatives will not be allowed as scribe. 
  
Close relative OK

V 1. SSC
Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The overall
conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to
check malpractices 

2. CBSC
Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in
which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should be
one class lower than the candidate

3. National Trust
Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination he
Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the Pwd/candidate 

4.IPH
Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post of
written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe remains
impartial and should not be any way influence the student performance on the
test

5.  CCPD
The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of candidate
The criteria for scribe should be separate for school/college or other
academic examination and competit

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Lets get the facts straight.
1. These guidelines are wonderful. 
2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates.  
3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. 
4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined our
juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has taken it up
legally. 
5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by the
Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of the
meetings.  
6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. 
7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures to
back them. 
8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. Anuradha
Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 
9. I will defend these guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even
though NIVH has taken a different stand.  
10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: 
a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed as
scribe. 
B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in
question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you all
could respond to this I will be grateful. 
Thanks 
Kanchan  
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of bad
scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, and also
court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines set by public
authorities like so called public service commissions of the states! Yes,
court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for looking the
possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally
in agreement with what has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict
invigilation should  be on the exam conducting authority, or provide
accessible examination environment by providing computer and screenreaders.

On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Avinash
> Agree with you completely.
> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of 
> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on 
> the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going 
> to fall.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check 
> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user 
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement 
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an 
> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of 
> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at 
> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary 
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern 
> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined 
> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by 
>> our community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Dinesh Kaushal]

I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should be
submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating
happened.
for any 



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.' 
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent


See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but got
foxed with NIVH -our apex body. 
Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. 

1.  SSC
Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which
could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. It
also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair
practises could also be high. 
Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority

2.  CBSE
Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the
candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
than the candidate 
3.  National Trust 
Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination.
He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
KP Ok   
4.   IPH 
Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe
must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used
in the test.
Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the same
scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK NIVH
NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level examination
the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master Level
Examination the scribe cab be from a different
discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case
the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% For
entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate upto
12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than that
of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th
class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe
10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of marks.

CCPD
The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or
request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc The
Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however scribe
frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close
relatives will not be allowed as scribe. 
  
Close relative OK

V 1. SSC
Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The overall
conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to
check malpractices 

2. CBSC
Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in
which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should be
one class lower than the candidate

3. National Trust
Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination he
Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the Pwd/candidate 

4.IPH
Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post of
written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe remains
impartial and should not be any way influence the student performance on the
test

5.  CCPD
The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of candidate
The criteria for scribe should be separate for school/college or other
academic examination and competitive examination 


  


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of SC Vashishth
Sent: 14 December 2017 17:42
To: AI List; avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

Dear Kanchan,

I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would be like
raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users misuse the
pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement.

The mechanism of invigil

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but got
foxed with NIVH -our apex body. 
Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. 

1.  SSC
Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility which
could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the examination. It
also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of unfair
practises could also be high. 
Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority

2.  CBSE
Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which the
candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower
than the candidate 
3.  National Trust 
Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination.
He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
KP Ok   
4.   IPH 
Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the scribe
must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures
described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary used
in the test.
Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds  
KP cannot have the same scribe
Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate 
Kp OK 
NIVH 
NIHH left open to the examining bodies 
In case of graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a
different stream 
In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be from a different
discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a case
the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60%
For entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate
upto 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than
that of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an
11th class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a
scribe 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of
marks.

CCPD 
The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe or
request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant.
However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own
scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc 
The Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however
scribe frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower
qualification 
Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close relatives will not
be allowed as scribe. 
  
Close relative OK

V 1. SSC 
Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The overall
conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to
check malpractices 

2. CBSC
Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in
which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should be
one class lower than the candidate

3. National Trust
Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need of the
examination and should be conversant with the language of the examination he
Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the Pwd/candidate 

4.IPH 
Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post of
written exam]
Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe remains impartial and
should not be any way influence the student performance on the test

5.  CCPD
The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of candidate
The criteria for scribe should be separate for school/college or other
academic examination and competitive examination 


  


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of SC Vashishth
Sent: 14 December 2017 17:42
To: AI List; avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

Dear Kanchan,

I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would be like
raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users misuse the
pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement.

The mechanism of invigilation need to be made foolproof. Also there has to
be gradual shift to technology where people are more independent.

So far courts have supported our cause, so has the ministry. But if our own
committee give a differing opinion based on this cases it might be
counterproductive for all the efforts of the sector to get that guideline in
place. See how it can be salvaged!

Regards
Subhash Chandra Vashishth

On 14-Dec-2017 3:59 PM, "Kanchan Pamnani"  wrote:

> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we a

Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Amit Jain]

I totally agree with Avinash. In an ideal isituation, strict vigilance is
the solution rather than restrictions and cheating even happens by people
not using scribes. But then we are in asituation where the ideal situation
is in danger.

I think instead of restrictions, disclosure could be an alternative. So a
scribe has to disclose if she/he has taken the exam previously and if so
the marks/rank obtained. The qualification of scribe should be disclosed in
details like subject studied and marks and all. This along with harsher
punishment claiuse (for malpractice) should have some detrimental effect.
There has been cases like the maths teacher was made a scribe for a maths
exam and all.

Also in my experience , I have observed that scribe helping the examinee
assuming that the small helps are OK and does not break the rule. A more
detailed Do's and Don'ts could again be a deterrent.

Thanks
Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kanchan Pamnani 
wrote:

> Avinash
> Agree with you completely.
> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on the
> Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going to
> fall.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
> mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd
> and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
> and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
> venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
> exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
> brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> > Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
> >
> > What limitations can we allow on scribes
> >
> >
> >
> > This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
> > scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
> >
> > However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
> >
> > The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
> > our community
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of
bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres,
and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines
set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of
the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for
looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe
guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by
Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should  be on the exam
conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by
providing computer and screenreaders.

On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Avinash
> Agree with you completely.
> However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
> private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on the
> Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow.
> Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going to
> fall.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
> mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd
> and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
> and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
> venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
> exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
> brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
>> our community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[SC Vashishth]

Dear Kanchan,

I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would be
like raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users misuse
the pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement.

The mechanism of invigilation need to be made foolproof. Also there has to
be gradual shift to technology where people are more independent.

So far courts have supported our cause, so has the ministry. But if our own
committee give a differing opinion based on this cases it might be
counterproductive for all the efforts of the sector to get that guideline
in place. See how it can be salvaged!

Regards
Subhash Chandra Vashishth

On 14-Dec-2017 3:59 PM, "Kanchan Pamnani"  wrote:

> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private scribes be
> banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by our
> community
>
>
>
> K
>
>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Avichal Bhatnagar]

there should be adequate invigilation along with thorough scrutiny of
the scribe.


On 12/14/17, Kotian, H P  wrote:
> Hi
> I too second it fully. Exam malpractises should be dealt in that fashion and
> for it genuine requirements of visually disabled persons should not be
> sacrificed.
>
> Very recently I heard of an incident of a very rich fellow's son wrote an
> exam using scribe under the garb of some reading disability.There should be
> severe punishments for such acts and one should not resort to putting
> restrictions to a deserving person. We fail to do enough on that front.
>
> Harish.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:43 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
> mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user examinees
> are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement mechanisms. the
> limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd and the government
> had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
> and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
> venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
> exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
> brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
>> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
>> our community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Avinash 
Agree with you completely. 
However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on the
Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. 
Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going to
fall. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of avinash shahi
Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd
and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by 
> our community
>
>
>
> K
>
>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Avinash 
Agree with you completely. 
However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on the
Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. 
Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going to
fall. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of avinash shahi
Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd
and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
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> our community
>
>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Avinash 
Agree with you completely. 
However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban of
private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the onus on the
Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. 
Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are going to
fall.
Kanchan 

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Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the
mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user examinees
are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement mechanisms. the
limitation such as Educational qualification is an absurd and the government
had rightly done away with in the past.
Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs
and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam
venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern of
exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined many
brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by 
> our community
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[AI] A Tribute to Neerja Bhanot – The National Hero.

[A K dua]

By: Times News Network

Neerja Bhanot, the purser on Pan Am flight 73 which was hi jacked to
Karachi; laid down her life saving the passengers on the flight, helping
them escape through the Emergency Door. She was shot by the terrorists.  She
was honored with Ashoka chakara Posthumously her brother Aneesh Bhanot, now
a Rotarian in Chandigarh has undertaken to help the Visually Impaired
students in Chandigarh; as a tribute to Neerja Bhanot – the National Hero.
The Times of India has covered his latest tribute.

Rotary Chandigarh Shivalik (RCS) presented scholarships worth Rs 1.80 lakh
to nine visually-challenged college and university students. The funds had
been raised through a unique fundraiser, "Rotary Dinner in the Dark", held
in September and October. Part of the funds came through a number of people
pledging additional support to RCS
 for ensuring that visually
impaired students were able to complete their education and achieve success
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kotian, H P]

Hi
I too second it fully. Exam malpractises should be dealt in that fashion and 
for it genuine requirements of visually disabled persons should not be 
sacrificed.

Very recently I heard of an incident of a very rich fellow's son wrote an exam 
using scribe under the garb of some reading disability.There should be severe 
punishments for such acts and one should not resort to putting restrictions to 
a deserving person. We fail to do enough on that front.

Harish.


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disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check the 
mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user examinees are 
not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement mechanisms. the limitation 
such as Educational qualification is an absurd and the government had rightly 
done away with in the past.
Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of jobs and 
computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at the exam venue, the 
candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary limitations/restrictions. 
You please lobby for reforms in the patern of exams rather than putting archaic 
restrictions which had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to 
discriminatory writer rules.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
> scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by
> our community
>
>
>
> K
>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[turab chimthanawala]

Dear Kanchan Ma'am,
Apologies for not contributing much to the precise question as I do
not have the OM at hand.
My only request is that whatever the outcome of the meeting, please ensure that

 the guidelines formulated are uniform for all exams having overriding
effect over all unique and stupid rules or sub rules of the concerned
university/ college/ institute.
It is frustrating and irritating to fulfill unique criteria for different
exams.
Also, please ensure that these guidelines are circulated to all concerned.
It is a  horrifying experience to fight with the exam authorities a
day before the exam.
Thanks in anticipation.
Best
Turab

On 12/14/17, avinash shahi  wrote:
> No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check
> the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
> examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
> mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an
> absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
> Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of
> jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at
> the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
> limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern
> of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined
> many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>
>> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>
>>
>>
>> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private scribes
>> be
>> banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>>
>> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>
>> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by our
>> community
>>
>>
>>
>> K
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[avinash shahi]

No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to check
the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how non-scribe user
examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict enforcement
mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational qualification is an
absurd and the government had rightly done away with in the past.
Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority of
jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares at
the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with unnecessary
limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms in the patern
of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions which had ruined
many brilliant candidates' future due to discriminatory writer rules.



On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>
> What limitations can we allow on scribes
>
>
>
> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>
>
>
> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private scribes be
> banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
>
> However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>
> The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
>
>
>
> Please help!
>
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[AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 

What limitations can we allow on scribes

 

This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. 

 

Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private scribes be
banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision. 

However we will have to agree to some restrictions. 

The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand. 

 

Please help!

At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse by our
community  

 

K 



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