Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

[James Howard]

We apply late fees to all invoices that get past 90 days and suspend them.  We 
don’t turn them back on until they bring their account “current” (sadly under 
the terms, just bringing it under 90 days past due) and then suspend them again 
when they get past 90.  We only have one customer that goes past 90 on it 
currently and she’s been shut off since last month so I’m not sure how this is 
going to go down if she doesn’t pay something soon. 

 

So, the way the system works, tomorrow they will create a “snapshot” of all of 
our subscribed customers as of the first of the month.  We then submit for 
August service reimbursement before the 15th of September.  We then receive the 
money via deposit into a bank account (we created a separate account at Chase 
for this since they had an account option with no fees and no minimum balances) 
that we essentially use as a sweep account around the end of that month.  We 
received the July reimbursement on August 25th which I think is the earliest 
we’ve gotten it so far.  It’s typically two days before the end of the month 
when it hits our account.  

 

I don’t know what it takes to sign up for the program now but I would estimate 
it took 40-60 hours of work to enroll when EBB started…….  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

 

"With ACP that changed to allowing late fees and you can suspend if they are 
more than 90 days past due."

 

That was my biggest hangup. Maybe ACP is worth looking into, then. Are you able 
to decline service to a customer that has a past-due balance? IE: You give them 
90 days, suspend\disconnect them, and then they re-apply. What happens then?



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From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

We do participate in the ACP program.  We signed up for it as EBB and then 
transitioned when that was converted to ACP.  Frankly, it was a pain to get 
setup and is rather a pain to administer.  We did it only as a service to our 
customers and to avoid being a reason that they would switch to a competitor.  
The program has nothing to do with FUSF taxes though since it is a 
reimbursement program.  You apply for a reimbursement on behalf of your 
customers.  It started out up to $50 ($75 on tribal lands) per month for 
internet service but is $30 per customer/address per month now.  Originally you 
were not allowed to suspend customers who were late on payments no matter how 
far behind they were as long as they were in the EBB program.  With ACP that 
changed to allowing late fees and you can suspend if they are more than 90 days 
past due.  We don’t participate in the device portion of the program.   There 
is an upcoming “Transparency” process that opens on September 8th.  The webinar 
didn’t make it look like that will be too big of a deal for anyone 
participating at a low level like we do but that remains to be seen.   Honestly 
though, the only advantage to participating in this is to keep customers (or 
get them if their current provider doesn’t participate) from leaving because 
they want their welfare (that’s what it is) check.  It is a considerable amount 
of work each month for ultimately $0 extra income.

 

James

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 6:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

 

Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a form 
499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

[James Howard]

We do participate in the ACP program.  We signed up for it as EBB and then
transitioned when that was converted to ACP.  Frankly, it was a pain to get
setup and is rather a pain to administer.  We did it only as a service to
our customers and to avoid being a reason that they would switch to a
competitor.  The program has nothing to do with FUSF taxes though since it
is a reimbursement program.  You apply for a reimbursement on behalf of your
customers.  It started out up to $50 ($75 on tribal lands) per month for
internet service but is $30 per customer/address per month now.  Originally
you were not allowed to suspend customers who were late on payments no
matter how far behind they were as long as they were in the EBB program.
With ACP that changed to allowing late fees and you can suspend if they are
more than 90 days past due.  We don't participate in the device portion of
the program.   There is an upcoming "Transparency" process that opens on
September 8th.  The webinar didn't make it look like that will be too big of
a deal for anyone participating at a low level like we do but that remains
to be seen.   Honestly though, the only advantage to participating in this
is to keep customers (or get them if their current provider doesn't
participate) from leaving because they want their welfare (that's what it
is) check.  It is a considerable amount of work each month for ultimately $0
extra income.

 

James

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 6:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program

 

Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a
form 499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

[James Howard]

I think everybody should be autocrats.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 8:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

 

I'm not a democrat

bp


On 7/2/2023 4:55 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Not sure the logic of that joke makes sense

 

Lessee, we can presume the bear is a democrat because it got vaccinated.

So a democrat bear is more likely to attack republicans.

 

So I think you guys are good.  

 

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 5:23 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

 

Then they will not attack.  They only attack democrats!

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 12:58 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

 

What if the grizzly is vaccinated?

 

bp


On 7/2/2023 11:08 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

.005 but that is attack, not death.  I actually calculated it.  

Deaths is .0005

 

Lightening is 100 x more likely to get her.  

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2023 11:25 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Everyone was right.

 

My wife wants to know the micromorts for death by grizzly bear when backpacking 
in Yellowstone National Park.

bp


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Re: [AFMUG] testing uno dos tres

[James Howard]

Unsent would seem to indicate issues with email client or connection to sending 
server, not being blocked by the list.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2023 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] testing uno dos tres

 

Good morning...I have sent several posts to the list with pictures but my 
outbox keeps saying unsent...am I getting blocked, censored, probed, fondled?

Inquiring minds want to know


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

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Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question

[James Howard]

well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year


From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 4/19/23 1:06 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question

My arduino nano can do it in a week.

From: Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Steven Kenney
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question

My raspberry pi does it in under an hour.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:
I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a 
while.

I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 
though.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:
Dennis,

Using mikrotik routers.

Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9

One CCR1072 v6.47.9

Yes taking full tables.

Tried BFD  while back.  Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it.  Never 
established a session.

Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7.  But before I go 
that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ 
running v7.

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DB> Really depends on a lot of things.

DB> 1.What router are you using?
DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ?
DB> 4.  What version of RouterOS are you using?

DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda 
long..

DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified
DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
DB> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com

DB> -Original Message-
DB> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
DB> To: af@af.afmug.com
DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question

DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC.  We peer with 3 different 
providers on each circuit.  If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and 
traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit.

DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while 
this is happening.  Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the 
process?  Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes?  Will new 
faster routers help?  Is it a function of timers?  Keep-Alive is 30s and hold 
is at 90s.  Should I investigate BFD?

DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions?

DB> Thanks,
DB>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

DB> Myakka Communications
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Amazon weirdness

[James Howard]

FedEx is a joke.   When they get around to delivering (rarely when they say it 
will arrive) many of the packages are damaged.  Sam’s club ships everything via 
FedEx and they throw the boxes out the door of the truck and drive away.  Have 
had glass items smashed in multiple deliveries by FedEx.

 

Lately though, it seems that everything from Amazon has been coming via USPS 
here.  In the past, we have had an many as 4 Amazon trucks deliver on the same 
day so maybe they’re reworking their system to have some efficiency?  I’ve seen 
2 Amazon trucks following each other down rural roads around here many times.

 

UPS has been my preferred delivery until recently.  They seem to be developing 
FedEx type of traits recently with damaged packages and things coming late but 
hopefully that’s something that won’t continue.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Amazon weirdness

 

Do you guys get delivery directly from Amazon trucks, or via USPS/UPS/common 
carrier? 

I order lots of things from Amazon and have no problems.  But almost everything 
is via Amazon delivery trucks.  

Now FedEx on the other hand.  If something requires a signature, it'll take an 
extra 2-3 days to get delivered.  Goes out on the truck, then back to the shop 
every day with no attempt at delivery until the driver must finally get mad 
enough to ring the doorbell.  Only if it needs a signature though, normal 
drop-off deliveries are fine.  

On 3/22/2023 8:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I got an email at 3AM saying they couldn't deliver anything and I should adjust 
my business hours. 

 

I have nothing for them to deliver.  All orders are delivered already.

 

Maybe ChatGPT 2.0 is changing things not knowing what it's doing?

 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 11:37 PM Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote:

The robots are on strike!

I've had amazon orders that tracking would say "it's out for delivery" and I 
got the mail truck on the camera driving right on by, not stopping.  The part 
had to be re-ordered.  This has happened twice this year.

On 3/20/23 13:21, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

No payment issues here.  Maybe you and the employee have same type of credit 
card or some other commonality? 

 

Maybe not related, but I did receive an order last week that was an empty box.  
Correct order number and the right size box, but nothing was in it.  

 

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 2:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown   
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Amazon weirdness

 

We have been having Amazon cancel orders.  Claiming problems with payment.  
Just found out at lunch that it is happening with one of my employees as well.  
Exact same thing.  Is this widespread?

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Digital mobile radio work

[James Howard]

Three days of silence.  Is this one of those things like celebrities “break the 
internet”?   Jaime’s return broke AFMUG?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 8:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Digital mobile radio work

 

Worked on three buses today installing UHF Motorola mobile units with temporary 
antennas until glass mounted ones arrive later this week.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

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I put the largest SD card the camera will support in them.  Some of my cheaper 
ones only support 32GB but I have a couple with 256GB cards in them.  When I’ve 
given footage to the cops (once to State Patrol and another time to county 
sheriff) I’ve just pulled the SD card, transferred the files they wanted and 
put them on a flash drive.  My daughter was somewhat embarrassed by the audio 
since she hadn’t realized it records that also (she was singing along with the 
radio).

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

On mine, the SD card just fills up then starts overwriting the oldest files.  
So they're on the SD card until they're overwritten.  I guess if you get in an 
accident, the camera is still powered up, and the haul the car off to the 
junkyard, you could lose it.  But you'd have several hours to retrieve the SD 
Card before it's overwritten.  As soon as you apply power, the camera powers up 
and starts recording.  So if you wire it into your AUX power, it's 100% 
automatic.  Just pull the SD card if you need to view something otherwise it 
just sits there and records and overwrites.   If you hit the 'save' button on 
the camera, it changes that recording segments file name so that it won't be 
automatically overwritten.  

On 2/8/2023 12:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

So if you get in a crash and cannot push the button do you lose the video or?

 

 

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 11:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

The ones I have all have SD cards in them.  Some go up to 256G and can hold a 
lot.  They all have settings for length of recording, mine have 1, 3 and 5 
minute options.  It starts a new file and then you can tell it to overwrite the 
oldest when they fill up.  They usually also have buttons you can hit to mark 
the current file as locked or something like that so it won’t overwrite if 
something happens that you want to save.  With 128G I think mine holds over 
10hours at 1080p.  I have one that I can connect to with my cell phone and 
watch the videos through that.  I’ve never done it though.   Depending on 
what you want to do, you can get them with cell service also that work as 
location tracking too.  I haven’t looked at what’s out there for that in 
the last couple years though.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Chuck McCown  <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

So do dash cams record continually whenever your car is turned on?

Do they write over memory?

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:35 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she thought she 
had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop and insurance guy 
that) in front of a car that might have run a red light if she was correct.  It 
was a four lane street and the oncoming car by all accounts including the 
driver was in the left lane.  He hit the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in 
the crosswalk of the street she had turned into (he came from the left lane, 
actually came across a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had 
turned into).  They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of 
traffic (his suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have proof of 
insurance in the Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone.  The other guy 
comes out of his car and knocks on my daughter’s window since it had started 
to rain and says “do you happen to have any cigarettes, I don’t want to run 
to gas station in the rain”.  17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old 
sitting in passenger seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she 
didn’t see anything) was who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the 
story, he tells the cop while I’m sitting there that he was going straight at 
the intersection (nothing about turning) and was pretty sure he had a green 
light.  Cop says since they left the intersection he couldn’t write anything 
for sure.  You could see the pile of pieces in the crosswalk that came off my 
daughter’s Jeep but he said there was no proof that it happened there.  There 
were skid marks but not definitive.  Cop felt bad but I understand he 
couldn’t state what he thought probably happened.  So, anyway, I check with 
gas station and they don’t have any cameras pointed at the intersection so no 
footage.

 

So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have State Farm 
but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision coverage.  The 

Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[James Howard]

Only if you run it long enough to overwrite.  I have a couple that 
automatically lock files if they detect something they think is important.  I 
haven’t paid over $50 (most were around $10 when I got them) so I don’t know if 
the expensive ones have better features.  My son drove past a semi as it 
exploded on the side of the road coming home from college at Thanksgiving.  His 
dash cam only got smoke coming out of it but he recorded with his iphone out 
the back window.  He saw parts of the semi hit the car behind him.  Made me 
wish we had put a front/rear cam in his car.  You have to run wires to them so 
more work than I wanted to do.  I suppose if you have a power source at the 
rear of the car you could just put another dash came facing that way though…….

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

So if you get in a crash and cannot push the button do you lose the video or?

 

 

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 11:08 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

The ones I have all have SD cards in them.  Some go up to 256G and can hold a 
lot.  They all have settings for length of recording, mine have 1, 3 and 5 
minute options.  It starts a new file and then you can tell it to overwrite the 
oldest when they fill up.  They usually also have buttons you can hit to mark 
the current file as locked or something like that so it won’t overwrite if 
something happens that you want to save.  With 128G I think mine holds over 
10hours at 1080p.  I have one that I can connect to with my cell phone and 
watch the videos through that.  I’ve never done it though.   Depending on what 
you want to do, you can get them with cell service also that work as location 
tracking too.  I haven’t looked at what’s out there for that in the last couple 
years though.

 

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Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

So do dash cams record continually whenever your car is turned on?

Do they write over memory?

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:35 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she thought she 
had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop and insurance guy that) 
in front of a car that might have run a red light if she was correct.  It was a 
four lane street and the oncoming car by all accounts including the driver was 
in the left lane.  He hit the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in the crosswalk 
of the street she had turned into (he came from the left lane, actually came 
across a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had turned into).  
They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of traffic (his 
suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have proof of insurance in the 
Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone.  The other guy comes out of his 
car and knocks on my daughter’s window since it had started to rain and says 
“do you happen to have any cigarettes, I don’t want to run to gas station in 
the rain”.  17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old sitting in passenger 
seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she didn’t see anything) was 
who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the story, he tells the cop while 
I’m sitting there that he was going straight at the intersection (nothing about 
turning) and was pretty sure he had a green light.  Cop says since they left 
the intersection he couldn’t write anything for sure.  You could see the pile 
of pieces in the crosswalk that came off my daughter’s Jeep but he said there 
was no proof that it happened there.  There were skid marks but not definitive. 
 Cop felt bad but I understand he couldn’t state what he thought probably 
happened.  So, anyway, I check with gas station and they don’t have any cameras 
pointed at the intersection so no footage.

 

So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have State Farm 
but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision coverage.  The other 
driver also had State Farm but had an almost new CRV and had full coverage.  
Jeep was still sort of driveable (I ended up selling it for $500) but the whole 
front end of CRV was hanging off.  State Farm calls me and asks to talk to my 
daughter.  I sit next to her while she’s talking to them.  She tells them that 
she’s pretty sure she had a green arrow but she’s not positive.  State Farm 
talks to the other guy.  State Farm calls me back and says “your daughter is 
85% at fault so you

Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[James Howard]

https://smile.amazon.com/Dashboard-Recorder-170%C2%B0Wide-Parking-Monitor/dp/B09WYG9C7D/ref=sr_1_24?crid=DMRMCZUY2IS3
 
<https://smile.amazon.com/Dashboard-Recorder-170%C2%B0Wide-Parking-Monitor/dp/B09WYG9C7D/ref=sr_1_24?crid=DMRMCZUY2IS3=4k+dash+cam=1675879837=4k+dash+cam%2Caps%2C81=8-24>
 =4k+dash+cam=1675879837=4k+dash+cam%2Caps%2C81=8-24

 

I don’t have that exact model but several like that.  I’ve found 1080p models 
for under $10 on Amazon at times and have had several cheap ones working for a 
couple of years now.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

The ones I have all have SD cards in them.  Some go up to 256G and can hold a 
lot.  They all have settings for length of recording, mine have 1, 3 and 5 
minute options.  It starts a new file and then you can tell it to overwrite the 
oldest when they fill up.  They usually also have buttons you can hit to mark 
the current file as locked or something like that so it won’t overwrite if 
something happens that you want to save.  With 128G I think mine holds over 
10hours at 1080p.  I have one that I can connect to with my cell phone and 
watch the videos through that.  I’ve never done it though.   Depending on what 
you want to do, you can get them with cell service also that work as location 
tracking too.  I haven’t looked at what’s out there for that in the last couple 
years though.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

So do dash cams record continually whenever your car is turned on?

Do they write over memory?

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:35 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she thought she 
had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop and insurance guy that) 
in front of a car that might have run a red light if she was correct.  It was a 
four lane street and the oncoming car by all accounts including the driver was 
in the left lane.  He hit the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in the crosswalk 
of the street she had turned into (he came from the left lane, actually came 
across a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had turned into).  
They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of traffic (his 
suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have proof of insurance in the 
Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone.  The other guy comes out of his 
car and knocks on my daughter’s window since it had started to rain and says 
“do you happen to have any cigarettes, I don’t want to run to gas station in 
the rain”.  17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old sitting in passenger 
seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she didn’t see anything) was 
who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the story, he tells the cop while 
I’m sitting there that he was going straight at the intersection (nothing about 
turning) and was pretty sure he had a green light.  Cop says since they left 
the intersection he couldn’t write anything for sure.  You could see the pile 
of pieces in the crosswalk that came off my daughter’s Jeep but he said there 
was no proof that it happened there.  There were skid marks but not definitive. 
 Cop felt bad but I understand he couldn’t state what he thought probably 
happened.  So, anyway, I check with gas station and they don’t have any cameras 
pointed at the intersection so no footage.

 

So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have State Farm 
but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision coverage.  The other 
driver also had State Farm but had an almost new CRV and had full coverage.  
Jeep was still sort of driveable (I ended up selling it for $500) but the whole 
front end of CRV was hanging off.  State Farm calls me and asks to talk to my 
daughter.  I sit next to her while she’s talking to them.  She tells them that 
she’s pretty sure she had a green arrow but she’s not positive.  State Farm 
talks to the other guy.  State Farm calls me back and says “your daughter is 
85% at fault so you get nothing”.   I said wait a minute…..  how is 85% her 
fault if the other guy came across 2 lanes and told the cop on sight he was 
going straight, not turning?  The State Farm guy says “your daughter said she 
turned in front of him and he had a green light”.  I said that is completely 
false.  I was sitting here when she said she was pretty sure she had a green 
arrow.  State Farm says “the other driver stated that he had a green light and 
your daughter turned in front of him”.  So I said, “my

Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[James Howard]

The ones I have all have SD cards in them.  Some go up to 256G and can hold a 
lot.  They all have settings for length of recording, mine have 1, 3 and 5 
minute options.  It starts a new file and then you can tell it to overwrite the 
oldest when they fill up.  They usually also have buttons you can hit to mark 
the current file as locked or something like that so it won’t overwrite if 
something happens that you want to save.  With 128G I think mine holds over 
10hours at 1080p.  I have one that I can connect to with my cell phone and 
watch the videos through that.  I’ve never done it though.   Depending on what 
you want to do, you can get them with cell service also that work as location 
tracking too.  I haven’t looked at what’s out there for that in the last couple 
years though.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 5:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

So do dash cams record continually whenever your car is turned on?

Do they write over memory?

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:35 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she thought she 
had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop and insurance guy that) 
in front of a car that might have run a red light if she was correct.  It was a 
four lane street and the oncoming car by all accounts including the driver was 
in the left lane.  He hit the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in the crosswalk 
of the street she had turned into (he came from the left lane, actually came 
across a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had turned into).  
They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of traffic (his 
suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have proof of insurance in the 
Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone.  The other guy comes out of his 
car and knocks on my daughter’s window since it had started to rain and says 
“do you happen to have any cigarettes, I don’t want to run to gas station in 
the rain”.  17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old sitting in passenger 
seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she didn’t see anything) was 
who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the story, he tells the cop while 
I’m sitting there that he was going straight at the intersection (nothing about 
turning) and was pretty sure he had a green light.  Cop says since they left 
the intersection he couldn’t write anything for sure.  You could see the pile 
of pieces in the crosswalk that came off my daughter’s Jeep but he said there 
was no proof that it happened there.  There were skid marks but not definitive. 
 Cop felt bad but I understand he couldn’t state what he thought probably 
happened.  So, anyway, I check with gas station and they don’t have any cameras 
pointed at the intersection so no footage.

 

So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have State Farm 
but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision coverage.  The other 
driver also had State Farm but had an almost new CRV and had full coverage.  
Jeep was still sort of driveable (I ended up selling it for $500) but the whole 
front end of CRV was hanging off.  State Farm calls me and asks to talk to my 
daughter.  I sit next to her while she’s talking to them.  She tells them that 
she’s pretty sure she had a green arrow but she’s not positive.  State Farm 
talks to the other guy.  State Farm calls me back and says “your daughter is 
85% at fault so you get nothing”.   I said wait a minute…..  how is 85% her 
fault if the other guy came across 2 lanes and told the cop on sight he was 
going straight, not turning?  The State Farm guy says “your daughter said she 
turned in front of him and he had a green light”.  I said that is completely 
false.  I was sitting here when she said she was pretty sure she had a green 
arrow.  State Farm says “the other driver stated that he had a green light and 
your daughter turned in front of him”.  So I said, “my 15 year old was reading 
a book in the Jeep and said so rather than lying like this other driver.  If 
she had said that she saw the whole thing and my daughter had a green arrow 
would you have said that was 2 stories against one?”.  They didn’t say for sure 
but it sounded like that would have affected it.  So including getting no money 
for the Jeep, my daughter also got that accident on her record and State Farm 
raised our rates.  I wish I could find a different company but they’ve actually 
been decent other than that time.

 

But….. again record the calls to them because they will lie about what you tell 
them.  Also, anybody that’s still suffering through my account here…. Put dash 
cams in your cars.  I put them in every vehicle we have after that.  Thankfully 
we haven’t been in any

Re: [AFMUG] Paying the ranson

[James Howard]

My brother-in-law works for a company that got hit as part of the Microsoft 
debacle in Fall of 2021.  They had all their systems in place that apparently 
only resulted in blocking the notifications that might have warned them that 
they were infected BEFORE the ransomware kicked in and actually locked them 
down.  From what he told me they paid and it still took almost 6 weeks to get 
stuff back.  I haven’t had a conversation with him about it since (and he’s not 
in IT so didn’t know details) so I don’t know if they actually got anything 
usable after paying up.

 

Really sucks…..

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paying the ranson

 

Any of you nerds ever had to pay the ransom on a ransomware?

 

Are there brokers who handle th negotiation?

 

This client does not carry the insurance, so there is no insurance resource.

 

The veem image backups were also encrypted

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Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[James Howard]

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she thought she 
had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop and insurance guy that) 
in front of a car that might have run a red light if she was correct.  It was a 
four lane street and the oncoming car by all accounts including the driver was 
in the left lane.  He hit the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in the crosswalk 
of the street she had turned into (he came from the left lane, actually came 
across a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had turned into).  
They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of traffic (his 
suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have proof of insurance in the 
Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone.  The other guy comes out of his 
car and knocks on my daughter’s window since it had started to rain and says 
“do you happen to have any cigarettes, I don’t want to run to gas station in 
the rain”.  17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old sitting in passenger 
seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she didn’t see anything) was 
who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the story, he tells the cop while 
I’m sitting there that he was going straight at the intersection (nothing about 
turning) and was pretty sure he had a green light.  Cop says since they left 
the intersection he couldn’t write anything for sure.  You could see the pile 
of pieces in the crosswalk that came off my daughter’s Jeep but he said there 
was no proof that it happened there.  There were skid marks but not definitive. 
 Cop felt bad but I understand he couldn’t state what he thought probably 
happened.  So, anyway, I check with gas station and they don’t have any cameras 
pointed at the intersection so no footage.

 

So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have State Farm 
but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision coverage.  The other 
driver also had State Farm but had an almost new CRV and had full coverage.  
Jeep was still sort of driveable (I ended up selling it for $500) but the whole 
front end of CRV was hanging off.  State Farm calls me and asks to talk to my 
daughter.  I sit next to her while she’s talking to them.  She tells them that 
she’s pretty sure she had a green arrow but she’s not positive.  State Farm 
talks to the other guy.  State Farm calls me back and says “your daughter is 
85% at fault so you get nothing”.   I said wait a minute…..  how is 85% her 
fault if the other guy came across 2 lanes and told the cop on sight he was 
going straight, not turning?  The State Farm guy says “your daughter said she 
turned in front of him and he had a green light”.  I said that is completely 
false.  I was sitting here when she said she was pretty sure she had a green 
arrow.  State Farm says “the other driver stated that he had a green light and 
your daughter turned in front of him”.  So I said, “my 15 year old was reading 
a book in the Jeep and said so rather than lying like this other driver.  If 
she had said that she saw the whole thing and my daughter had a green arrow 
would you have said that was 2 stories against one?”.  They didn’t say for sure 
but it sounded like that would have affected it.  So including getting no money 
for the Jeep, my daughter also got that accident on her record and State Farm 
raised our rates.  I wish I could find a different company but they’ve actually 
been decent other than that time.

 

But….. again record the calls to them because they will lie about what you tell 
them.  Also, anybody that’s still suffering through my account here…. Put dash 
cams in your cars.  I put them in every vehicle we have after that.  Thankfully 
we haven’t been in any accidents since but I’ve actually turned dash cam 
footage over to the cops twice now for accidents that happened in front of us.

 

Good luck with State Farm!!

 

James

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Good video.

 

I am now faced with asking State Farm to make me whole with respect to the 
crash.  

We have had bad experience with State Farm in the past.

 

Any tips?

 

 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 1:18 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

 

Watch the video.

 

On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 2:52 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

two crumple zones hitting each other vs one crumple zone hitting a wall, 
makes off the cuff sense to me...  two old, non crumple zone, cars 
hitting each other would seem like what it would take to get a 120 mph 
impact.   Those crumple zones make a monster difference...



On 2/6/23 10:52, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Not correct, Bill :(
> 
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 1:07 PM Bill Prince   
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT pie

[James Howard]

With chocolate chips?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 4:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pie

 

Ding ding ding

 

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 2:36 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pie

 

Puh Con

 

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 3:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT pie

 

Puh Can

Puh Con

Pee Can

Pee Con

 

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[AFMUG] Solar panel ice/snow buildup

[James Howard]

I have a vague memory of a thread in bygone years about testing different
kinds of coatings to help with buildup of snow/ice but I can't find the
thread and don't remember if it was about solar panels or dish antennas.

 

The only thing I can find when I search my archive is about using froth-pak
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract

[James Howard]

We started doing this a few years ago.  I put about 15-20 vanilla bean pods 
(you sort of squish them before putting them in) in a 750ml bottle of the 
cheapest vodka I can find.  I’ve got some that’s been on the shelf for almost 3 
years now.  You have to remember to take the bottles out and shake them 
occasionally and store them in a dark area such as a closet.  I’ve used them 
after a month or 2 but they definitely get better the longer they sit.  Oh, and 
don’t get tempted by the cheaper vanilla bean powder on Amazon.  It doesn’t 
absorb into the vodka and is rather strange.  It does smell like vanilla 
extract though and we did use it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract

 

My wife makes her own. Puts sticks of vanilla in vodka bottles. Waits several 
months. Has vanilla extract.



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From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 8:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract

I'm guessing many people on here dabble in the baking arts.  My Bottle 
of Rodelle Vanilla Extract that I got several years ago has run out.  
Some of the more recent reviews for Rodelle say that it's watered down 
now.  All sites that I've viewed say that McCormick has changed their 
formula and it's just no good anymore.  Watkins looks to have pretty 
good reviews, and costs about 30% more than McCormick.  Amazon has good 
selection, but alot of the reviews say they might be counterfeit products.

Anyone bought some Vanilla extract recently and can offer a review?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

[James Howard]

Seems like it would be much simpler to just refer to everyone the same way.  If 
you’re talking about someone who isn’t around you can just say “that idiot” 
when referring to him/her/it/he/she and “those idiots” instead of they/them.  
Much cleaner that way.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

 

I heard an admittedly right wing commenter describe it this way..

 

You rarely use a gendered pronoun when talking to someone.You use their 
name or "you".You only use the gendered pronouns when they aren't around. 

 

So people asking you to use their preferred pronoun are asking you to change 
the way you refer to them when they aren't even around.

 

Now, there are some people who I've met that use the "they" pronoun and I will 
say that neither of the gendered pronouns really apply to them and "they" is 
much more appropriate.   

 

It's the people who are obviously a specific gender and dress and behave like 
that gender that demand you refer to them using the opposite pronouns that 
drive me nuts.   

 

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 12:11 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I don't really care what gender you want to be, or even no gender but I'm never 
saying "they is"  I will just refer to them by their name.  Sam is going to the 
store.  

 

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Phew. Glad I'm exempted.

 

bp


On 10/6/2022 10:53 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

BTW, boomers get a pass on all this complaining

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 11:51 AM

To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

 

Just a way to classify the woke vs the unwoke.  

Forcing a weird and unnatural change in language.  

They/them/theirs are all plural.   Third person plural.  Adds confusion.  

Some languages do not genderize pronouns.  Everyone is it or its.  

But here you would offend someone by calling them it.  

 

From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns

 

Why does this bother you? It's just an email signature. 

 

I don't list my pronouns anywhere, and have no desire to, but I'm certainly not 
offended or angered when I see someone list them in their email.

 

Live and let live

 

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Got my first email where the sender listed their pronouns.
It was from the clerk of the Utah court of appeals.
She/Her/Hers

I hope this does not become a thing.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

[James Howard]

I’d just take an old cell phone with no sim in it and just use it with a SIP 
app on wifi. 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 2:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

 

So how do you set multiple static IPs on my iphone?  

 

My asterisk is on a private internal 10.x.x.x network without publically 
routable internet.  

 

So I could put my phone on that but then lose internet.  

 

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:37 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

 

Zopier on your cell phone registered to the server just like another extension 

 

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022, 11:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I just found a vtech that claims 2300 feet and will work with bluetooth.  So I 
can use a wireless headphone.

Then I bought a cisco ata.  I think this is gonna work.   Sure be nice to find 
a wifi/sip cordless handset.  I am sure they are out there but did not stumble 
upon any.  Probably a cell phone app that could do it.  

 

Found an industrial cordless phone manufacturer that claims huge range on 900 
mhz.  $1300...

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:11 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones

 

I think you're thinking DECT 6?

We have some (now ancient) Panasonic DECT 6 phones that have been very 
reliable. They are plain old POTS phones, but we have them connected through a 
pair of ATA adapters. The only thing is the headsets are wired, but that works 
for us. I clip the handset onto my belt, and walk around with a one-ear wired 
headset.

 

bp


On 9/2/2022 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Before I google, I ask the borg.

I need to have some kind of phone that I can put in my pocket or clip to my 
belt.

It would be connected to my office asterisk.  I would like some kind of blue 
tooth earpiece too.

 

This is so I can catch calls when I am the only one here.  

I remember back in the day, the DECT 5.0 phones had really nice range.  So I 
will probably search for those.

And I will probably feed it off of an ATA.  

 

I do not want to call forward to my cell phone.  People come and go all day 
along around here so I never know if the office is unattended for short 
intervals when I am out on the shop floor or in the back lot.  I just want a 
phone that will ring along with all the other phones if I choose to turn it on. 
 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass Relaunch Announcement

[James Howard]

You sure you still have shares after it was sold to the private equity group?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 10:17 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] MoviePass Relaunch Announcement

 

Ima gonna be rich!

 

From: MoviePass 

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 7:03 AM

To: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Subject: MoviePass Relaunch Announcement

 











 


Hello!


We are so excited to announce that we are beginning our launch sequence to 
bring MoviePass back. For those of you who don’t know MoviePass was sold back 
in 2017 to a private equity group and due to mismanagement subsequently closed 
its doors. Last year I, one of the original Founders, bought the company back 
with the plan to relaunch it. Time Magazine did a great piece that does a 
wonderful job of explaining the sequence of events that lead to this point.

 

I want to thank everyone for their support in helping us get here. So many of 
you have called, emailed and even stopped me on the street to show that you 
still had your original MoviePass card and talk about how much you loved the 
service. So if you were a 2012 OG or caught the wave towards the end we look 
forward to welcoming you back.

 

We will begin relaunching the service beginning Labor Day - September 5th. But 
prior to that we are opening up our waitlist to be able to join. 

 

Being on the waitlist will be the only way to be able to sign up for the 
service in the foreseeable future. This Thursday, August 25, 2022 we will open 
the waitlist at 9a ET at   MoviePass.com There is no 
cost to join the waitlist. Space will be limited and on a first come first 
serve basis. The engagement from the waitlist will help us to determine which 
markets we will open first and thereafter.

 

Each person who joins the waitlist will receive 10 friend invites that will 
activate when they sign up for the service. If you do not make it on the 
waitlist the only way you will be able to join in the future is to receive an 
invite from someone.

 

We are very excited to get back up and running and look forward to seeing you 
all at the movies soon.

 

Sincerely,


Stacy Spikes 
Co-Founder/CEO 



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Re: [AFMUG] russian spam

[James Howard]

Is Bolshevik spam as good as Imperialist pig spam?   (sorry, just finished
listening to The Hunt for Red October audiobook again)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 2:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] russian spam

 

Sure getting lots of russian spam today.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Wireless near Clark MO?

[James Howard]

Thanks.  I’ve passed along the non Starlink suggestions.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Wireless near Clark MO?

 

Starlink RV ? *ducks*

 

Another wisp 

 

https://www.mcmsystems.net/

 

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 1:43 PM Craig House mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote:

http://www.airlinkrb.com/

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On Jun 25, 2022, at 15:34, James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:



Anyone know of any providers around Clark MO?  A friend is buying his family’s 
farm in that area and asked if I had any recommendations.  He said it’s mostly 
Amish farms but looks like there’s a decent size grain leg within a couple 
miles of their house.  

 

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[AFMUG] Fixed Wireless near Clark MO?

[James Howard]

Anyone know of any providers around Clark MO?  A friend is buying his
family's farm in that area and asked if I had any recommendations.  He said
it's mostly Amish farms but looks like there's a decent size grain leg
within a couple miles of their house.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[James Howard]

You want him to get dehydrated?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

What makes you think he's drinking?

 

bp


On 6/23/2022 9:01 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Don’t you find it odd that Steve starts drinking so early in the morning?

 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:32 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

Fortunately I have read enough Steve posts to remember to put my coffee down 
first. 

 

Mark





On Jun 23, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

This reminds me in the 80s here in central il there was a big kerfuffle about 
satanism, probably from an oprah or Donahue episode 

There were all these nitwits offering services on training for how to recognize 
it.

It was all made up too. Def leppard was listed as a satanic band, all kinds of 
hand gestures were satanic, etc. 

There is so much money to be made off the fact that people in general want to 
be kind and prepared but for the most part are just a bunch of gullible dumb 
fucks.

Their is and always will be plural. If you're only paying one tax bill, you 
only get a singular pronoun. If you want to make up a word, that's called a 
nickname, not a pronoun, and you can fuck right off with that.

I'm offering an HR service where I will come in and take your money, I'll train 
your staff how to properly handle these turds who want to be unique just like 
everybody else. 

Training example:

What this fool wants you to say : "they is having a bad day, as a company our 
responsibility is to provide them with a nurturing atmosphere to ensure their 
well being"

Proper handling: "yeah, I fired that dumb motherfucker for not having the 
forethought to be a cumstain on his moms neck"

99 dollars introductory package available

 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 8:03 AM Steven Kenney via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Yes yes... Carbon unit Jason. 

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:44 PM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > 
wrote:

"Bags of mostly water" comes to mind.  

 

Wow, that is a pretty nerdy and obscure reference.

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Meathead works in all situations.  

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms like 
“Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy and 
therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen” and 
“citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.

 

Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses will 
say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A few will 
try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck Zieself.  

 

….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles “citizen” 
and “citizeness”.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

 

Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my staff on 
the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...

Gheeze.

 

>From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.

 

(demi girl was one of the pronouns)

 


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Re: [AFMUG] EXTERNAL - Re: sip provider

[James Howard]

Flowroute has had it’s ups and downs for us.  We only use it for SIP trunking 
and DIDs to our Asterisk server but have had different issues at times.  Right 
now, our 888 number through them does not work from US Cellular which 
unfortunately being essentially local to Wisconsin is what the majority of our 
customers use for cell service.   We also use Anveo direct and have had good 
luck with them.  They’re definitely cheaper than Flowroute.  We’ve also used 
Vitelity but moved away from them because of reliability issues in the past.   
I can’t say how their hosted products work since I’ve never used them.  We 
mostly use Grandstream phones but have played with other brands at times.  The 
GXP-2170 is my personal favorite and can often be found on Amazon in small lots 
for about $50 each (Amazon warehouse).

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kevin Neal
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 11:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EXTERNAL - Re: sip provider

 

Flowroute has served me well with several small projects.  We were using it for 
numbers for dial in signal meters and such as well.  We’ve had some issues with 
them but we had those same issues with VoIP Innovations at that point as well.  
Some local Level3 connection issues at that point.  Everything was done online, 
prepay and they draw from your payment method when you get to a low balance 
threshold that you set.

 

 




 

   
   
 


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M: 208•312•3004 | P: 208•677•8000
  ke...@anthembb.com  
 
  www.anthembroadband.com

906 S. Oneida St. Suite 8 | Rupert, Idaho 83350

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Friday, June 17, 2022 at 4:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: EXTERNAL - Re: [AFMUG] sip provider

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content 
is safe. Please report all suspicious emails to info...@anthembusinessgroup.com 
  as an attachment.

 

Yes, they are local.  Just unhelpful.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2022, at 5:22 PM, p...@believewireless.net 
  wrote:

 

What provider are you using? Do they have a local POP? Unless there is a lot of 
jitter, latency shouldn't be an issue.

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 5:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Tired of my sip provider.  Moved our whole operation to a new backbone with my 
own C blocks of IP.  Sip provider says my asterisk office system is not working 
because of high latency.  40mS.  Cogent.  Xmission in Salt Lake City.  They 
have always been a pain to work with anyhow.  

 

We have a ubiquity phone on the way to try out.  But I like asterisk and aastra 
phones.

 

Any suggestions?  Ready to port if the price is right...

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[James Howard]

Yes but also because you’re a nerd

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

The reason why PacketFlux Exists can be traced back to a BBS.

 

I ran a BBS briefly around 1990 or so while I was in college.

 

Then, the State of Montana wanted someone to do customer support and run their 
BBS.   So I applied for that job, got it and moved to Montana.

 

After going through internet withdrawals, I made a presentation to the local 
computer users group about the internet and suggested a group of us start an 
ISP.

 

That ISP turned into a WISP in 1997.  

 

As we added sites we discovered we needed a cheaper cambium Sync Alternatives 
and also site monitoring.   Nothing really existed so packetflux was born.

 

So, one can trace the path from packetflux all the way back to me running a BBS 
in college...  each probably wouldn't have happened if I hadn't run that BBS.

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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[James Howard]

My kids like those but I think they’re one of the worst candies every made

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

nerds

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.

 

I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had like 
all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI hard 
drive.

 

There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the 
software “guy” updated every now and then.

 

I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some stuff.

 

Fun times!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

 

I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] BBS

 

 

Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars 

 

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To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

 

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet :)   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

 

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.   

 

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acrony

Re: [AFMUG] FS: LTU Rockets

[James Howard]

That’s all fine for the summertime when it’s hot but how’s he gonna keep his 
house warm in the winter?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 7:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: LTU Rockets

 

This does sound pretty reasonable.

 

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 2:29 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You give em to me

your house has less fire in it

its reasonable to not want fire in your home

youre very reasonable

 

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 1:41 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Make a *reasonable* offer? :-)

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

gimme em

 

 

On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 2:19 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

I know I'm a day late to the game here, but I was just trying to do a bit of 
weekend work and discovered that I inadvertently ordered a pair of LTU Rockets 
when I needed AF 5XHD.  I already had them on the antennas before I realized 
they weren't what I was intending on installing.

 

Anyhow, I have a pair of them, never powered up, if anyone is interested.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[James Howard]

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet :)   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

 

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.   

 

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

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Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Anyone use it? Just curious. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[James Howard]

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Daniel Pautz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
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Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Anyone use it? Just curious. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[James Howard]

And we still get people who say “this is slower than dial-up” when they’re on a 
25Mbps connection……

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did 
that cursor go across the screen much faster.  

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model T to 
start it...  

Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...

 

(DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).  

 

From: James Howard 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

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Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Anyone use it? Just curious. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[James Howard]

Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?  BMU, 
LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some brain 
cells are still working?

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to 
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the leases. 

 

Just curious if it can be done. 

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

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Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[James Howard]

I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

What is this DSL you speak of?

 

From: Steven Kenney via AF 

Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Steven Kenney 

Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Why do customers have such short memories?

[James Howard]

Waiver doesn’t work with that type of customer.  They just claim they never 
signed any such thing and when they’re shown their signature they say that you 
told them they were signing off on something else…..

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Why do customers have such short memories?

 

I have fought for years to get a signed waiver for this shit, for this specific 
reason, but the boss always thought that was too cumbersome.

 

At least got techs to not install through trees that "will get trimmed this 
weeked"

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:58 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

"If you want Internet, we have to mount the radio in this single spot on 
your roof, and you HAVE to keep that one tree in your yard from getting 
any taller"

"This tree right here?  I'll keep it so trimmed that it'll probably die, 
I'll cut it down before you're out of the driveway, I really need Internet"



"Your internet sucks"

"Your radio has been slowly losing signal all spring, have you kept the 
tree trimmed?  The tree we told you at install would cause a problem in 
a few years if you didn't' trim it."

"What tree? They never mentioned a tree, ever, why did you install it if 
it was going to stop working?"


I don't know if that's worse, or the guy that we installed the radio on 
his 70' concrete silo with no ladder because he had a bucket truck, and 
that was the only place it would work.  He insisted it wasn't a problem 
because he owned the bucket truck.  Fast forward a year to his radio 
dead after a lightening strike, where's the bucket truck?  He sold it 
because he didn't need it anymore.

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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

[James Howard]

Mama says Mama says Facebook is from the devil

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

 

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https://www.facebook.com/reel/1411496139290536/?s=ifu

like this, you cant get the time back, hes right, but you cant get that time 
back

 

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youll regret making facebook part of your routine

 

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Because I am lazy and already have a FB group.  Since I am checking FB, this 
adds no additional overhead.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:07 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

 

Why don't we just use something simple like groups.io  . Our 
local neighborhood has been using it for years now.

https://groups.io/

 

bp


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The day Bill Prince starts using the FB page, then perhaps I really will quit 
the email list.  

Wish there was a way to automatically post here the stuff that gets posted 
there.  

 

From: Jan-GAMs 

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:54 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

 

Nothing has really changed, the slime from TV has simply moved to a new media: 
https://youtu.be/tdtGo2Ib9oI

On 5/31/22 12:27, Robert wrote:

Well that would certainly "clean up" some of the color on the list, some people 
will get some automagic time outs regularly..   FB reaches right down into your 
"privates" to make sure you are a good netizen...

On 5/31/22 10:57 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/433653481449452

 

Not really, but I am having to continually work to keep gmail from blacklisting 
this list.  

 

I will keep it running for as long as people want to continue to post.  But I 
realized that when we had our political meltdown last week, I could have killed 
it if it was on FB.  

 

So time to retire the work horses and buy a tractor I guess...

 

(The whole “I quit” thing is an old story, it is how this list came into 
existence in the first place).  

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[James Howard]

Public school systems...

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

 

Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.  

 

That is how I would describe some of my kids.

 

The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.  

 

Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just
to be able to still see some of my kids.  

Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.  

 

Odd times

I loved my parents and grandparents.  

Never felt they had to earn it.  

Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.  

 

Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
separate all while the kids were growing.

But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
vernacular. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

[James Howard]

I don’t think we’re that bored by the low number of messages here yet…..  we 
don’t need to know about bowel movement statistics.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 3:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

I never used it.  I guess it is good for narcissists that like to have a bunch 
of folks follow them.  I can tweet about my bowel movements etc.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:31 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

I'm not sure what Twitter really ever was or is.  It's a great place for small 
messages...like a BB...but that's for the people with more time than me to 
experience. 

 

Why people thought it was free beforehand (don't forget Trump was explicitly 
banned - a President of the United States, agree with him or not, he had that 
position) is just simply stupidity.  Facebook isn't free speech either.  
They're platforms with terms of use.

 

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If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster fire on a 
train going over a broken trestle.

 

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On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load.

Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire.

 

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Just a second….  Is FB not football?

 

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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts?

 

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Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater 
porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies

 

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So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB 
posts...

Is this for everyone?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

[James Howard]

Just a second….  Is FB not football?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater 
porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies

 

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So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB 
posts...

Is this for everyone?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

[James Howard]

How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB

 

You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater 
porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies

 

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So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB 
posts...

Is this for everyone?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[James Howard]

Looks like the last time anybody responded from an @gmail.com address to a new 
post was on 3/29.   

 

Steve did say at one point that Bill’s email went to spam but was listed as 
phishing or something.  I think Gmail hates us……

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 11:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: part15...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

I'm using gmail as a platform, but a work email address.

 

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 12:43 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Looks like Steve switched from gmail to a different email a few weeks ago.  Is 
anybody working still on a gmail address?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Bill Prince mailto:part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

That's what it looks like to me as well.

 

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I just don’t think Bill is receiving anything from the list.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 9:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

Still receiving you here.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Trying an anti-spam filter


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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[James Howard]

Looks like Steve switched from gmail to a different email a few weeks ago.  Is 
anybody working still on a gmail address?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Bill Prince 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

That's what it looks like to me as well.

 

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I just don’t think Bill is receiving anything from the list.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 9:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

Still receiving you here.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is this thing on?

[James Howard]

Isn’t the way of the buffalo to go pretty much anywhere they want until they 
run into something big enough that they can’t push it over and continue?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 9:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is this thing on?

 

I think my regular account has gone the way of the buffalo

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I might host it myself once I get past my next round of upgrades.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:41 PM, Bill Prince   > wrote:
> 
> 
> Just kind of wondering. I haven't seen a post since last Wednesday. Maybe 
> there is a hitch in our gitalong?
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Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

[James Howard]

I was curious how they could sue for slander unless he knew that he was 
publishing something that was false.  Whether it’s actually true or not, if you 
look at all the exhibits they are trying to show that he did know that his 
source was actually the person responsible for it by March (I believe) but 
continued to try to push the narrative that there was a different anonymous 
source.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

 

"he knew that his sole source..."

How? How did he know? Was Krebs also summoned? Does Krebs work for the DOJ?

 

 

 

"Instead of..."

 

Who cares? He published updates and new articles with current information.

 

 



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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:48:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

This seems to be what they’re really focusing on:

 

4. Krebs reviewed the press release and he knew that his sole source had been 
indicted for his criminal involvement in the cyberattack. Despite these damming 
facts, Krebs published a story on his blog the next day doubling down on his 
false accusations against Ubiquiti and intentionally misleading his readers 
into believing that his earlier reporting was not sourced by Sharp, the hacker 
behind the attack.4 

 

5. Instead of acknowledging that the source from his previous story was 
indicted by federal prosecutors for his crimes against Ubiquiti, Krebs calls 
Sharp “a Ubiquiti employee” when referencing Sharp’s contributions to his 
reporting. But in the very next sentence, Krebs describes Sharp as “a former 
Ubiquiti developer” who “was arrested and charged with stealing data and trying 
to extort his employer while pretending to be a whistleblower.”

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

 

and yet public comment after public comment is that people first heard about it 
from Krebs, suggesting that whatever Ubiquiti did was insufficient.



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Cc: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:20:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

Here is the first part of the complaint:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63197557/ubiquiti-inc-v-krebs/

 

Ubiquiti Inc. files this defamation action because blogger Brian Krebs1 falsely 
accused the company of “covering up” a cyberattack by intentionally misleading 
customers about a so-called data “breach” and subsequent blackmail attempt in 
violation of federal law and SEC regulations. 2 The opposite is true: Ubiquiti 
promptly notified its customers about the attack and instructed them to take 
additional security precautions to protect their information. Ubiquiti then 
notified the public in the next filing it made with the SEC. But Krebs 
intentionally disregarded these facts to target Ubiquiti and increase ad 
revenue by driving traffic to his website, www.KrebsOnSecurity.com 
<http://www.KrebsOnSecurity.com> .

 

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

[James Howard]

This seems to be what they’re really focusing on:

 

4. Krebs reviewed the press release and he knew that his sole source had been 
indicted for his criminal involvement in the cyberattack. Despite these damming 
facts, Krebs published a story on his blog the next day doubling down on his 
false accusations against Ubiquiti and intentionally misleading his readers 
into believing that his earlier reporting was not sourced by Sharp, the hacker 
behind the attack.4 

 

5. Instead of acknowledging that the source from his previous story was 
indicted by federal prosecutors for his crimes against Ubiquiti, Krebs calls 
Sharp “a Ubiquiti employee” when referencing Sharp’s contributions to his 
reporting. But in the very next sentence, Krebs describes Sharp as “a former 
Ubiquiti developer” who “was arrested and charged with stealing data and trying 
to extort his employer while pretending to be a whistleblower.”

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

 

and yet public comment after public comment is that people first heard about it 
from Krebs, suggesting that whatever Ubiquiti did was insufficient.



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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:20:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

Here is the first part of the complaint:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63197557/ubiquiti-inc-v-krebs/

 

Ubiquiti Inc. files this defamation action because blogger Brian Krebs1 falsely 
accused the company of “covering up” a cyberattack by intentionally misleading 
customers about a so-called data “breach” and subsequent blackmail attempt in 
violation of federal law and SEC regulations. 2 The opposite is true: Ubiquiti 
promptly notified its customers about the attack and instructed them to take 
additional security precautions to protect their information. Ubiquiti then 
notified the public in the next filing it made with the SEC. But Krebs 
intentionally disregarded these facts to target Ubiquiti and increase ad 
revenue by driving traffic to his website, www.KrebsOnSecurity.com 
 .

 

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:19 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Another Ubiquiti Lawsuit...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] New old stock

[James Howard]

I think it’s Friday in Utah.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New old stock

 

Its not friday

Chuck is cancelled

 

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Spring cleaning time.

No reasonable offer refused.


 

Model

 

Qty. 

Price

Total

 


Dual Pol PTP

3.65DP-24

800-3.65DP-24

 

2

$162.00

$324.00

 


3.65DP-26

800-3.65DP-26

 

2

$190.00

$380.00

 


 

Surge for 430

430APC-HV

800-430APC-HV

 

13

$18.00

$234.00

 


 

Dual Pol PTP

5.8DP-26

800-5.8DP-26

 

9

$122.00

$1,098.00

 


5.8DP-26HP

800-5.8DP-26HP

 

5

$138.00

$690.00

 


5.8DP-31

800-5.8DP-31

 

2

$170.00

$340.00

 


 

Reflectors

RCL-2

800-RCL-2

 

29

$69.00

$2,001.00

 


RCL-3

800-RCL-3

 

8

$93.00

$744.00

 


 

Stingers

S-24V

800-S-24V

 

1

$39.00

$39.00

 


S-53H

800-S-53H

 

50

$40.46

$2,023.00

 


S-54H

800-S-54H

 

7

$40.46

$283.22

 


S-57H

800-S-57H

 

61

$36.00

$2,196.00

 


S-57V

800-S-57V

 

2

$36.00

$72.00

 


S-900V

800-S-900V

 

23

$40.00

$920.00

 


 

Reflector 4 pack

SL-DISHPK

800-SL-DISHPK

 

15

$162.00

$2,430.00

 


 

Radio Holders

SLH-24EPMP

800-SLH-24EPMP

 

34

$3.00

$102.00

 


SLH-365-450

800-SLH-365-450

 

15

$4.50

$67.50

 


SLH-CLAW

800-SLH-CLAW

 

6

$2.00

$12.00

 


 

Super Stinger

SS-24V

800-SS-24V

 

1

$53.00

$53.00

 


 

Yagi Radome

YAGIRD-BK

800-YAGIRD-BK

 

10

$20.98

$209.80

 


 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

[James Howard]

I looked at that Turo site.  They have several high roof Transits that are
15 passenger and $130-180 per day in the Chicago area.  Depending on how
long your rental is they include a decent amount of miles.  I think it was
1800-2000 for a week.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

 

I like the bus idea, but we need to split the group and have our own
transportation on backroads once we get down there.  

On 2/16/2022 4:43 PM, James Howard wrote:

I think Budget rents big passenger vans too but they always seemed pretty
pricey when I looked at them.  Have you looked into charter buses?  Not sure
what they charge but if a 15 passenger van is about $1300 a week plus
mileage and fuel, plus you actually have to drive.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On
Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

 

Yes, Enterprise 15 passenger van is 600 included miles and $0.35/mile over.


Hertz minivan was unlimited mileage, but was more expensive to start with,
so they are almost the exact same price after figuring mileage.  (And we'd
need 3 minivans vs 2 15 passenger)

I'm guessing the rental places are all about the exact same price, just
finding someone with inventory is the trick.  I did talk to my local
Enterprise office, but all they can do is what the computer says.  

I might have found a local Box Truck rental place that has passenger vans.
Their rental price is cheaper, but the per mile charge is higher.  Looks
like it's still pretty equivalent though.  

On 2/16/2022 3:57 PM, Darren Shea wrote:

My experiences with a commercial van rental company (can't remember the name
of the company, as it was over 20 years ago) was that my first wife booked
it, and didn't properly read the contract, so after our 2000 mile long
vacation, she got stuck with a ridiculous mileage rate for everything over
1000 miles. Since this was a trip from Austin to Leadville, Colorado, with
lots of sightseeing, that ended up being about 1000-1200 miles over.

 

Your trip looks to be about 900 miles per direction, so you definitely need
to read the fine print!!

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

 

We need to rent vans in Chicago and drive to the South Carolina area.  

On 2/16/2022 3:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Look for lakes around the area you intend to go like Lake Powell. Many of
the local houseboat rental firms have links to vehicle rentals in the area
on their websites since much of their customer base flys in

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 2:58 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I'm looking to rent a couple passenger vans to take the church kids on a 
trip this summer.  Enterprise has no Vans, since they have a contract 
with Fedex/Amazon who's depleted their van fleet, and they can't get new 
vehicles like everyone else.  They claim to not even have mini-vans 
available for rental right now.  I supposedly have a reservation for 1 
15 passenger Van, but we've been burned by Enterprise in past years when 
we go to pick it up, they'll not actually have a van and try to 
substitute 2 5 passenger SUV's instead.

Hertz want's you to use their online booking site, which is setup for 
single vehicle rentals, not multiples, and they only have Minivans.  
Using the website Chat seems like they just look at the same webpage you 
do.

Am I missing any obvious places for commercial passenger van rental?  
There was a movie shoot around here over the summer, they probably 
brought in 50 or 60 12 passenger vans to haul people from parking to the 
set, but no rental companies label them anymore to see where they were 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

[James Howard]

I think Budget rents big passenger vans too but they always seemed pretty
pricey when I looked at them.  Have you looked into charter buses?  Not sure
what they charge but if a 15 passenger van is about $1300 a week plus
mileage and fuel, plus you actually have to drive.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

 

Yes, Enterprise 15 passenger van is 600 included miles and $0.35/mile over.


Hertz minivan was unlimited mileage, but was more expensive to start with,
so they are almost the exact same price after figuring mileage.  (And we'd
need 3 minivans vs 2 15 passenger)

I'm guessing the rental places are all about the exact same price, just
finding someone with inventory is the trick.  I did talk to my local
Enterprise office, but all they can do is what the computer says.  

I might have found a local Box Truck rental place that has passenger vans.
Their rental price is cheaper, but the per mile charge is higher.  Looks
like it's still pretty equivalent though.  

On 2/16/2022 3:57 PM, Darren Shea wrote:

My experiences with a commercial van rental company (can't remember the name
of the company, as it was over 20 years ago) was that my first wife booked
it, and didn't properly read the contract, so after our 2000 mile long
vacation, she got stuck with a ridiculous mileage rate for everything over
1000 miles. Since this was a trip from Austin to Leadville, Colorado, with
lots of sightseeing, that ended up being about 1000-1200 miles over.

 

Your trip looks to be about 900 miles per direction, so you definitely need
to read the fine print!!

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Passenger van Rentals

 

We need to rent vans in Chicago and drive to the South Carolina area.  

On 2/16/2022 3:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Look for lakes around the area you intend to go like Lake Powell. Many of
the local houseboat rental firms have links to vehicle rentals in the area
on their websites since much of their customer base flys in

 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 2:58 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I'm looking to rent a couple passenger vans to take the church kids on a 
trip this summer.  Enterprise has no Vans, since they have a contract 
with Fedex/Amazon who's depleted their van fleet, and they can't get new 
vehicles like everyone else.  They claim to not even have mini-vans 
available for rental right now.  I supposedly have a reservation for 1 
15 passenger Van, but we've been burned by Enterprise in past years when 
we go to pick it up, they'll not actually have a van and try to 
substitute 2 5 passenger SUV's instead.

Hertz want's you to use their online booking site, which is setup for 
single vehicle rentals, not multiples, and they only have Minivans.  
Using the website Chat seems like they just look at the same webpage you 
do.

Am I missing any obvious places for commercial passenger van rental?  
There was a movie shoot around here over the summer, they probably 
brought in 50 or 60 12 passenger vans to haul people from parking to the 
set, but no rental companies label them anymore to see where they were 
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Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

[James Howard]

Are they something like the pirate code where it’s not so much of a code as a 
sort of guideline?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

 

We don’t just let anyone be part of the group either... we have our standards 
you know.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 3:57 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Glad to be part of this mailing list

 

You made it! Welcome!

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 4:30 PM John Scrivner mailto:johnscriv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I tried to join here a long time ago but had no luck. Hoping I am in the 
mailing list group now. I know there are a lot of good folks on here.  

All the best,

John Scrivner

VP - Broadband

Live Oak Bank

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Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing

[James Howard]

Jonathan Tramontozzi | Global Relationship Manager

Hurricane Electric Internet Services  (AS6939)

(o) +1 510-580-4134 | (m) +1 617-642-7869 | (e) jtramonto...@he.net 
   

 

We deal with Jonathan.  I’m sure he can help you.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing

 

You have a sales rep I can contact?

 

From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:24 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing

 

HE has a better network and support than Cogent. If you can only start with one 
of the two, I'd go with HE first. 

 

We love their network, sales, and support. If you're picking it up in Salt 
Lake, they have 5 paths out vs. Cogent's 3 paths.

 

You'll find HE performs better latency wise with better path.

 

Please take a look at both of their network maps and you'll see how HE is more 
dense with more POP's, and more paths. They also peer with everyone at as many 
IX's as possible where Cogent does not which can lead to congested ports.

http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf

https://www.cogentco.com/en/network/network-map

 

HE is the real winner for performance and cost.

 

https://bgp.he.net/report/exchanges#_participants

On IX participation, Cogent isn't even on the TOP list at all and HE is #1 for 
number of IX's they're on.

 

https://bgp.he.net/report/peers

HE also has more BGP peers than any other network in the world. #1 here too. #2 
is Cogent.

 

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:26 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

It's usually cheaper in my recent experience but not by a whole lot. He will 
probably pay a bit more than a single 10g to get 2x2g

 

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:22 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 1/18/22 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I am warming up to the idea of having two providers.  2Gig burstable on 
> each.

Every time I've asked about burstable in recent memoty the price is 
higher than a fixed rate port, if offered at all.

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Re: [AFMUG] Microwave in Movies

[James Howard]

When I saw the subject on this email I thought it was going to be about Chuck 
being in a movie with his current mad scientist microwave oven project…….  Some 
sort of Japanese sci-fi movie with new enemies of Godzilla coming out of the 
Utah deserts or something like that.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microwave in Movies

 

Used to be I could see a stinger now and then in a movie or show or news 
broadcase.  

 

From: Daniel White 

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 11:34 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microwave in Movies

 

There is a BridgeWave GE60 and I think a SAF link up there.  I really ought to 
stop the movie to look it over closer.

My guess is it was/is Webpass rooftop site based on the equipment mix but 
it could be a variety of vendors.  WiLine also used GE60s for instance.


  

 


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Bill Prince

January 10, 2022 at 11:05

I've been on a few rooftops in SF, and I can tell you there are all kinds of 
vendor and non-vendor (AKA private) links all over the freaking place. We at 
one time considered buying a small operator there, but the crazy RF environment 
scared me away. 

I bet Peter knows some of them too. 


bp 
 




Nate Burke

January 10, 2022 at 09:45

I was just watching Matrix Resurrections and noticed the rooftop helicopter 
battle shot in San Francisco has a lot of microwave antennas on it, quite a few 
are Ubiquiti.  Is that equipment anybody here?  Did you know filming was 
happening? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Not sure which is more annoying

[James Howard]

Or the ones that come to the office to complain because “your phone lines are 
disconnected” and their “internet never works and never has” but when you ask 
them what number they’re calling it’s a number that’s been disconnected for 
almost 15 years and hasn’t been advertised anywhere for almost 20 years……

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 1:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Not sure which is more annoying

 

I wanna cut them both equally. And the ones that still use a support email 
address that was decommissioned 8 years prior

 

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 1:10 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

The customer who will find the last email correspondence from months or 
years ago and just do a reply to that, re-opening an old ticket for a 
new problem, or the customer that will not reply to the ticket, and will 
send a new email for every reply, thus opening a new ticket with each 
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Re: [AFMUG] happy

[James Howard]

I have a nephew in the UP.  He’s only 8 but the only time he’ll ever wear more 
than shorts and a t-shirt is during the winter.  Then he wears snow boots and 
if it’s really cold he’ll wear long pants to the car.

 

I thought Wisconsin was fence between Michigan and Illinois.   Normal people in 
Wisconsin, strange people in Michigan and Illinois…….

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 3:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] happy

 

Yeah, there was this weird kid that moved here from michigan when i was a kid, 
shorts and no jacket most of the winter. Considered killing him a few times 
just because he was too different. I sometimes think there should be a fence 
between michigan and us, theyre weird

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 2:18 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

What's weird is those people that are ultra north aren't too bothered by it.  
It's those of us that are tempted with a taste of sanity that get most 
irritated.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 2:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

It's interesting that one can tell how far north one lives by how irritated 
they are by winter.

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 12:10 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I want to cut you for this kind of hate speech

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 12:00 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

winter

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

[James Howard]

Actually from the description it’s apparently a love seat…..and don’t go 
saying that’s still something someone might wear.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

That looks like something Elon might wear.

 

bp


On 12/9/2021 5:22 PM, James Howard wrote:



Stainless steel!   I think this list is slipping.  It sure took a long to get 
to real world answers to this question.  Not sure if this is a one or two 
person seat……..

 

-Original Message-
From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Cc: Chuck McCown  <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Copper mesh couch cover and everyone is naked.  That will work.

 

-Original Message-

From:  <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> dmmoff...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:45 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Bond the couch to master ground bus bar with #6 copper wire.  Use dual hole 
lugs, sand the mating surfaces and apply no-ox.

Use same wire gauge to bond wife with couch.  Location of wife's ground lugs 
varies by model, but check bottom of feet.

 

-Adam

 

 

-Original Message-

From: AF < <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 6:23 PM

To:  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Spray the couch with metallic paint.

 

 

bp



 

On 12/8/2021 3:12 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

> So we're back to the time of year when the wife gets zapped when she 

> gets off the couch and the turns off a light, and complaining ensues.

> I've tried to get her to wear a grounded wrist strap, which works, but 

> she complains about having to take it on and off.  Can I just get a 

> grounded blanket or something to just ground the couch?

> 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Sp*m

[James Howard]

The problem is that those will both be still there at the end of the
apocalypse.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Sp*m

Two foods to take into the apocalypse: Spam and Twinkies.


bp


On 12/9/2021 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Hormel CEO on record Spam sales: 'Who is not eating Spam?'
> Even after 81 years in existence, the world's love affair with the 
> magical canned meat product known as Spam is not showing any signs of 
> letting up.
> The brand's owner Hormel said on its fourth fiscal quarter earnings 
> call Thursday that sales of Spam capped off their seventh straight 
> record-setting year.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

[James Howard]

Stainless steel!   I think this list is slipping.  It sure took a long to
get to real world answers to this question.  Not sure if this is a one or
two person seat

 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Copper mesh couch cover and everyone is naked.  That will work.

 

-Original Message-

From:   dmmoff...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:45 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Bond the couch to master ground bus bar with #6 copper wire.  Use dual hole
lugs, sand the mating surfaces and apply no-ox.

Use same wire gauge to bond wife with couch.  Location of wife's ground lugs
varies by model, but check bottom of feet.

 

-Adam

 

 

-Original Message-

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
Behalf Of Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 6:23 PM

To:   af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets

 

Spray the couch with metallic paint.

 

 

bp



 

On 12/8/2021 3:12 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

> So we're back to the time of year when the wife gets zapped when she 

> gets off the couch and the turns off a light, and complaining ensues.

> I've tried to get her to wear a grounded wrist strap, which works, but 

> she complains about having to take it on and off.  Can I just get a 

> grounded blanket or something to just ground the couch?

> 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Missouri Governor Doesn't Understand Responsible Disclosure

[James Howard]

Maybe they could have set Brother Where Art Thou in Missouri instead of 
Mississippi….

 

 



 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 5:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Missouri Governor Doesn't Understand Responsible 
Disclosure

 

Politicians are our brightest and best, right?

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 


Missouri Governor Doesn't Understand Responsible Disclosure


 

 [2021.10.18] The Missouri governor wants to prosecute 

  the reporter who discovered a security vulnerability in a state’s website, 
and then reported it to the state.

The newspaper agreed to hold off publishing any story while the department 
fixed the problem and protected the private information of teachers around the 
state.

[...]

According to the Post-Dispatch, one of its reporters discovered the flaw in a 
web application allowing the public to search teacher certifications and 
credentials. No private information was publicly visible, but teacher Social 
Security numbers were contained in HTML source code of the pages.

The state removed the search tool after being notified of the issue by the 
Post-Dispatch. It was unclear how long the Social Security numbers had been 
vulnerable.

[...]

Chris Vickery, a California-based data security expert, told The Independent 
that it appears the department of education was “publishing data that it 
shouldn’t have been publishing.

“That’s not a crime for the journalists discovering it,” he said. “Putting 
Social Security numbers within HTML, even if it’s ‘non-display rendering’ HTML, 
is a stupid thing for the Missouri website to do and is a type of boneheaded 
mistake that has been around since day one of the Internet. No exploit, hacking 
or vulnerability is involved here.”

In explaining how he hopes the reporter and news organization will be 
prosecuted, [Gov.] Parson pointed to a state statute defining the crime of 
tampering with computer data 
 . Vickery said 
that statute wouldn’t work in this instance because of a recent decision by the 
U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Van Buren v. United States.

One hopes that someone will calm the governor down.

Brian Krebs has more 

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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

[James Howard]

One of those deals where the salesman tells everybody that “I gave you a lower 
price than ANYONE else gets so don’t tell anyone what you’re paying because 
they’ll complain and I’ll get in trouble and have to raise your prices” hoping 
that nobody will compare notes?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

There's a minimum.  It's not too hateful.

I don't feel comfortable with posting what we're paying...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 5:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Seems it was so much per sub and a minimum.

From: Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Prices are negotiable. Call Calix and start a conversation.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What does Calex get per month to manage the gigaspires?  What are the minimums.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 2:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Well a GS4227 is a gigaspire u6xso that being close it's probably the same 
WiFi deal.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 12:56 PM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That is typical with the U6, Jan.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:07 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

The label says Gigaspire GS4220E.  I'm impressed, just got in from another 
install.  The in room signal was at -32db, the backroom was at -32db.  The 
air-Cube was in room -32db the back room was at -50db.  I used the wifi 
analyzer app on my android to measure the signal.  I don't believe the test 
results.  Never seen a no-loss through walls before.  I must have screwed-up.  
Both units were mounted at same place.
On 10/29/21 13:25, Josh Luthman wrote:
Was it a Gigaspire u6?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:10 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

We're replacing aircubes with gigaspires, a calix product.  A job I went to 
yesterday had a frontier router(now zipley) that was barely reaching a 
back-bedroom with -78db.  The Calix gigaspire showed -60db in that room.  The 
aircubes which I haven't had a chance to compare to a gigaspire yet we're hands 
down better than airrouters and a little better than the air-routers LR which I 
had thought were pretty good devices as they were better than tplinks.  The 
sense of using a $300 unit to replace a new $27 unit makes none to me, but it 
does come with a fancy phone app.  The ROI is over a year IMHO.
On 10/29/21 11:28, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
I supposedly have the fountain of youth in my back yard.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 12:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Supposably 300 mbps under those conditions






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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2021 at 10:54 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
It might be a good link, but 6db won’t give you good system capacity.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Good tech, we are going to try it.  They are clamming 6db SNR ratio for good 
link…  let see








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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

[James Howard]

It’s obvious you guys are all zombies.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

I am not dead yet.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Not dead yet.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:


so who is going to takeover this mail-list?
On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote:

There's still a lot of yellow on this page

https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status

I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to 7.1rc5 
and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their config 
conversion code isn't working quite right yet.


On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
The new RB5009 is also v7 only.

Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke 
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I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model.  I was specifically talking 
about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page for it says V7 only.
On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of them, all on ROS6.  
Guess it must be the newer batch.  I wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues with them.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke 
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Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with ROS7.0.4 and you
can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not ready to make the leap to
V7, this isn't the RB for you.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPhone

[James Howard]

It's the nose ring that's the necessary piece.  Easier to be led that way.

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But did you buy new flip flops and new ear ring to match your iphone?

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Re: [AFMUG] POE cams, local software suggestions?

[James Howard]

I prefer the ones they sell under other brand names..

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE cams, local software suggestions?

Spasibo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:48 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Communist!

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I use Hikvision...works well and affordable...

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:03 PM TJ Trout 
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Hikvision is one of the best, either stand alone with sd cards in each camera 
or a nvr (embedded Linux sbc) , simple and Uber reliable.

Anything with 'software' is a pain and less reliable imo

(Fyi hikvision cameras can be found under many names as other companies 
reseller the same hardware like Epcom, lts, Nelly's, etc etc)

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 7:14 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Look at Blue Iris software. Free trial. Supports almost any IP camera, good 
plugin-free web interface for desktop and mobile.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:11 PM Josh Luthman, 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I'm looking for something like Ubnt in terms of form factor but I need the 
software to work right.  Pretty much just record and IP access is all I'm 
after.  Motion would be a nice plus.
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Re: [AFMUG] POE cams, local software suggestions?

[James Howard]

Communist!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE cams, local software suggestions?

I use Hikvision...works well and affordable...

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:03 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Hikvision is one of the best, either stand alone with sd cards in each camera 
or a nvr (embedded Linux sbc) , simple and Uber reliable.

Anything with 'software' is a pain and less reliable imo

(Fyi hikvision cameras can be found under many names as other companies 
reseller the same hardware like Epcom, lts, Nelly's, etc etc)

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mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Look at Blue Iris software. Free trial. Supports almost any IP camera, good 
plugin-free web interface for desktop and mobile.

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mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I'm looking for something like Ubnt in terms of form factor but I need the 
software to work right.  Pretty much just record and IP access is all I'm 
after.  Motion would be a nice plus.
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[James Howard]

That’s why he’s always trying to convince us to use that banned Chinese 
equipment.  Oh wait, he says not to use it.  That’s clearly just him trying to 
confuse us.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.

…..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us into 
thinking it’s smart sometimes.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Mike,

Google is giving me a warning about your account.


The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.


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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix"

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.


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Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist

[James Howard]

That guy that used to be on the Subway commercials?

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:09 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist

Who’s Jared?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist

Forwarded to Jared.


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Subject: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist
Anyone ever had any experience with an IP block being blacklisted by Akamai?  
Any idea how to get a hold of them?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not too far from here, history is made

[James Howard]

Do you suppose when they were ready to launch he said "I'm not sleepy and there 
is no place I'm going to"?  Of course the more fitting line is "Take me on a 
trip upon your magic swirling ship".


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
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https://www.facebook.com/tribblereese

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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Where are the Tribbles?



bp


On 10/13/2021 3:10 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
They keep coming..

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 1:27 PM Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Truely SPAM in a can!
On 10/13/21 11:44 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT; my new gig

[James Howard]

Your first day was great.  Hopefully you can repeat that often.

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Pays well

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Re: [AFMUG] Books

[James Howard]

Somebody who wasn’t able to hoard toilet paper?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Books

Who will take them?
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:20 PM, Bill Prince 
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We donated a ton of ours. We do have a few rare first edition books that we 
have kept.



bp


On 9/22/2021 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I have thousands of books.  Shall I just put them in a dumpster?  Like to do 
something with them prior to croaking?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: are the Russkies trying to torpedo the ISS?

[James Howard]

I’m trying to decide if I should be concerned that I read this three times 
trying to figure out what “panting potatoes in poo” meant before I realized it 
was a typo and a “Martian” reference.   The fact that I assumed “panting 
potatoes in poo” wasn’t a typo might say something about this list though I 
think…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 4:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: are the Russkies trying to torpedo the ISS?

Yep, panting potatoes in poo comes next.

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> On Sep 9, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Bill Prince 
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>
> 
> First there was the story about the mysterious hole found in the Russian 
> space capsule. The Russkies tried to blame that on a (female) American 
> astronaut.
>
> Well, OK. Things happen.
>
> Then they sent up a new module that mysteriously fired a thruster and spun 
> the entire ISS around almost two full turns.
>
> Hmmm, my spidey sense is starting to tingle.
>
> Now I hear that a smoke alarm went off because some part of the Russian 
> section was emitting burning plastic smoke.
>
> You know, I think an oxygen-filled tin can a few hundred miles up in orbit is 
> no place to have a fire.
>
> and then... The Russians are telling us there are things that they can no 
> longer fix/repair?
>
> Are you feeling like something is about to go terribly wrong up there?
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Re: [AFMUG] test

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Wait.  Steve or his wife?

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You pregnant?
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [AFMUG] test

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It said it was negative!

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You pregnant?
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Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

[James Howard]

No, not talking about 2 different rules.  My point was that if you have to do 
that anyway, then put the POE there and extend the link however they want past 
that.  Fiber sounds like it would make the most sense.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 7:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5


Are we talking about 2 different rules?  Yeah, we're supposed to ground cables 
going from outside to in.

Also the outdoor cable is only supposed to go so many feet into the building 
and then transition to an indoor cable.  Here it's 50ft.  This is supposedly a 
fire code thing, because outdoor cable doesn't have the same rules for smoke 
and flammability.  This rule is commonly ignored, but it's a real thing.


On 9/2/2021 12:17 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I have always been told all grounds have to go to the building common point 
ground.  So if that was farther than 20 feet then there is a conflict.  
Secondary ground rods are a no no here.

From: James Howard
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 9:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

We’ve been told the code applies to tv antenna wire as well.  Anything that 
“pierces the envelope” by coming from the outside to the inside.

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Does that include low voltage?
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Is it a Wisconsin thing that you have a to have any wire that penetrates the 
building “envelope” grounded within 20 feet of penetration to meet code?   
Seems like if you have to ground it anyway within 20 feet of entry, put the POE 
there and then they can have their extender wherever they want along the rest 
of the run.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

all but the exterior cable run of maybe 12 feet. theyre extending their 
building out and putting up another building in the current LOS

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 3:43 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if he can put a network rack at the midpoint, how much 
of this is inside buildings?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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thats what i suggested trying first, customer wanted the extender, irritating

he finally has caved now and will be putting a network rack in the midpoint and 
is going to place a managed switch there instead of all this other 
unsupportable cobbling. Sometimes we get a win.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:55 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe a dumb question, but has it already been tried without the extender?

400ft is beyond 100m, but not by all that much.  It might just work without any 
faffing around.


On 9/1/2021 11:16 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a customer fixed on using 
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/GPeRqg_190928.pdf to extend his epmp f300 
radio run to 400+ feet.
if im calculating this right there will be about a 10v drop on the 24guage 
cat5, taking the 30v down to 20. If it does manage to keep the radio powered i 
see it burning out the poe circuit.

hes fighting me on putting the cambium PSU at the midspan point and using his 
own POE to power the extender.

Ive been overruled about telling the customer no, so its happening, but I want 
to make sure my math is correct
using https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/voltage-drop-calculator.html
24guage, 30v, .5 amp, 400 feet shows 10v drop. but im not sure about the 
resistivity field

this is a guy who runs constant latency monitoring and initiates tickets on 
every blip, so i see this radio move just becoming a nightmare with this 
midspan extender in play

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Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

[James Howard]

So this came up a number of years ago when a customer claimed that our antenna 
mounted on the side of his house was the cause of pretty much all electronic 
devices in his house getting fried after a thunderstorm.  Interestingly our CPE 
(can’t remember if it was an UBNT or ePMP) was not damaged at all and our power 
supply was fine but his router and computer were fried (power supply on 
computer I believe).

Anyway, they got a building inspector involved trying to prove that our Cat5 
cable was the source of the lighting coming into the house and frying 
everything (even though the Cat5 was perfectly fine…..).   The end result was 
that our insurance company fought it and won BUT they insisted that we follow 
the code (which I can’t find right now and am too lazy to search too far for) 
that stated that grounding was required within 20ft of piercing the building 
envelope.  They said we satisfied the requirement by using shielded cabling and 
plugging into a power supply that had a 3 prong outlet so that it was 
“grounded” to the electrical ground system of the house.   I remember the code 
specifically referred to tv antenna wires needing this as well as any other 
wire that penetrated the envelope.

But of course:

And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're 
not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual 
rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner!


From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

I have always been told all grounds have to go to the building common point 
ground.  So if that was farther than 20 feet then there is a conflict.  
Secondary ground rods are a no no here.

From: James Howard
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 9:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

We’ve been told the code applies to tv antenna wire as well.  Anything that 
“pierces the envelope” by coming from the outside to the inside.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

Does that include low voltage?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:18 PM, James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Is it a Wisconsin thing that you have a to have any wire that penetrates the 
building “envelope” grounded within 20 feet of penetration to meet code?   
Seems like if you have to ground it anyway within 20 feet of entry, put the POE 
there and then they can have their extender wherever they want along the rest 
of the run.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

all but the exterior cable run of maybe 12 feet. theyre extending their 
building out and putting up another building in the current LOS

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 3:43 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if he can put a network rack at the midpoint, how much 
of this is inside buildings?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

thats what i suggested trying first, customer wanted the extender, irritating

he finally has caved now and will be putting a network rack in the midpoint and 
is going to place a managed switch there instead of all this other 
unsupportable cobbling. Sometimes we get a win.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:55 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe a dumb question, but has it already been tried without the extender?

400ft is beyond 100m, but not by all that much.  It might just work without any 
faffing around.


On 9/1/2021 11:16 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a customer fixed on using 
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/GPeRqg_190928.pdf to extend his epmp f300 
radio run to 400+ feet.
if im calculating this right there will be about a 10v drop on the 24guage 
cat5, taking the 30v down to 20. If it does manage to keep the radio powered i 
see it burning out the poe circuit.

hes fighting me on putting the cambium PSU at the midspan point and using his 
own POE to power the extender.

Ive been overruled about telling the customer no, so its happening, but I want 
to make sure my math is correct
using https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/voltage-drop-calculator.html
24guage, 30v, .5 amp, 400 feet shows 10v drop. but im not sure about the 
resistivity field

this is a guy who runs constant latency mon

Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

[James Howard]

We’ve been told the code applies to tv antenna wire as well.  Anything that 
“pierces the envelope” by coming from the outside to the inside.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

Does that include low voltage?
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:18 PM, James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Is it a Wisconsin thing that you have a to have any wire that penetrates the 
building “envelope” grounded within 20 feet of penetration to meet code?   
Seems like if you have to ground it anyway within 20 feet of entry, put the POE 
there and then they can have their extender wherever they want along the rest 
of the run.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

all but the exterior cable run of maybe 12 feet. theyre extending their 
building out and putting up another building in the current LOS

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 3:43 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if he can put a network rack at the midpoint, how much 
of this is inside buildings?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

thats what i suggested trying first, customer wanted the extender, irritating

he finally has caved now and will be putting a network rack in the midpoint and 
is going to place a managed switch there instead of all this other 
unsupportable cobbling. Sometimes we get a win.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:55 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe a dumb question, but has it already been tried without the extender?

400ft is beyond 100m, but not by all that much.  It might just work without any 
faffing around.


On 9/1/2021 11:16 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a customer fixed on using 
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/GPeRqg_190928.pdf to extend his epmp f300 
radio run to 400+ feet.
if im calculating this right there will be about a 10v drop on the 24guage 
cat5, taking the 30v down to 20. If it does manage to keep the radio powered i 
see it burning out the poe circuit.

hes fighting me on putting the cambium PSU at the midspan point and using his 
own POE to power the extender.

Ive been overruled about telling the customer no, so its happening, but I want 
to make sure my math is correct
using https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/voltage-drop-calculator.html
24guage, 30v, .5 amp, 400 feet shows 10v drop. but im not sure about the 
resistivity field

this is a guy who runs constant latency monitoring and initiates tickets on 
every blip, so i see this radio move just becoming a nightmare with this 
midspan extender in play

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Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

[James Howard]

Is it a Wisconsin thing that you have a to have any wire that penetrates the 
building "envelope" grounded within 20 feet of penetration to meet code?   
Seems like if you have to ground it anyway within 20 feet of entry, put the POE 
there and then they can have their extender wherever they want along the rest 
of the run.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

all but the exterior cable run of maybe 12 feet. theyre extending their 
building out and putting up another building in the current LOS

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 3:43 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, if he can put a network rack at the midpoint, how much 
of this is inside buildings?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

thats what i suggested trying first, customer wanted the extender, irritating

he finally has caved now and will be putting a network rack in the midpoint and 
is going to place a managed switch there instead of all this other 
unsupportable cobbling. Sometimes we get a win.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:55 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe a dumb question, but has it already been tried without the extender?

400ft is beyond 100m, but not by all that much.  It might just work without any 
faffing around.


On 9/1/2021 11:16 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a customer fixed on using 
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/GPeRqg_190928.pdf to extend his epmp f300 
radio run to 400+ feet.
if im calculating this right there will be about a 10v drop on the 24guage 
cat5, taking the 30v down to 20. If it does manage to keep the radio powered i 
see it burning out the poe circuit.

hes fighting me on putting the cambium PSU at the midspan point and using his 
own POE to power the extender.

Ive been overruled about telling the customer no, so its happening, but I want 
to make sure my math is correct
using https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/voltage-drop-calculator.html
24guage, 30v, .5 amp, 400 feet shows 10v drop. but im not sure about the 
resistivity field

this is a guy who runs constant latency monitoring and initiates tickets on 
every blip, so i see this radio move just becoming a nightmare with this 
midspan extender in play

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Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

[James Howard]

Just out of curiosity, if he can put a network rack at the midpoint, how much 
of this is inside buildings?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] resistivity of cat5

thats what i suggested trying first, customer wanted the extender, irritating

he finally has caved now and will be putting a network rack in the midpoint and 
is going to place a managed switch there instead of all this other 
unsupportable cobbling. Sometimes we get a win.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:55 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe a dumb question, but has it already been tried without the extender?

400ft is beyond 100m, but not by all that much.  It might just work without any 
faffing around.


On 9/1/2021 11:16 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a customer fixed on using 
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/GPeRqg_190928.pdf to extend his epmp f300 
radio run to 400+ feet.
if im calculating this right there will be about a 10v drop on the 24guage 
cat5, taking the 30v down to 20. If it does manage to keep the radio powered i 
see it burning out the poe circuit.

hes fighting me on putting the cambium PSU at the midspan point and using his 
own POE to power the extender.

Ive been overruled about telling the customer no, so its happening, but I want 
to make sure my math is correct
using https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/wire/voltage-drop-calculator.html
24guage, 30v, .5 amp, 400 feet shows 10v drop. but im not sure about the 
resistivity field

this is a guy who runs constant latency monitoring and initiates tickets on 
every blip, so i see this radio move just becoming a nightmare with this 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

[James Howard]

[Badly Injured Bird | Rango Wiki | Fandom]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

I'm afraid of waking up to a feather stuck in my eyeball

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 11:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have shoveled out too many chicken coops in my life to ever have a positive 
relationship with feathers.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun


The last, best pillow I had was the down-filled ones my parents got for me when 
I was living at home.

Your parents are always right.



bp


On 8/17/2021 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
To me they are.  You can punch them into almost any shape and they will hold 
it.  Shake them for a regular pillow config.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

Are they worth the dough? I considered them but most pillows I end up chucking 
on the floor when I sleep

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 9:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Well at least he chose pillow manufacturing for a while before choosing 
batshit.  I have one of his pillows and I really like it.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

Hes what happens when you have a prior crack addiction and a boatload of dough. 
Addict brains look for something to fill their addiction with. He happenned to 
choose batshit

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 12:24 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Good question. Now I am confused.



bp


On 8/14/2021 9:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Trump or the mypillow guy?

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 11:19 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Am I the onlyone who thinks he looks and acts like a doofus?

bp


On 8/14/2021 8:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun


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Re: [AFMUG] Did it break again?

[James Howard]

I think it was something I said about Retardation Networks that caused AWS to 
shut you down...

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 1:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did it break again?

Anytime there is no list traffic for more than a day I start worrying.  The 
guys hosting the listserv never did get back with me about the outage but it 
was during that big Akami outage last month that took down Amazon.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Did it break again?


Now what did you do?!?



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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[James Howard]

I can think of a lot of companies that Retardation Networks would be a fitting 
name for….

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

How about Retardation Networks or maybe Deceleration Data.  Viscosity.

From: James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

Since their backup provider is at the “other end” of the network from 
“momentum” I suppose they’re using Apathy (or Impotency was listed as another 
antonym for momentum) Telecom for that one.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


now the CEO has posted a video saying they had crews work through the night to 
connect their backup connection at the other end of the network.  So I don't 
know if their main feed is back up or not.

- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


They said they came up at 11:15 am.  No reason for outage given.

- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


do they sell through someone else? att perhaps?  or use them for transport?
- Original Message -
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

Mark,

Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue with them.  
They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly redundant.  We 
have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no complaints.  Customer 
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The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook -

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
__
8:00 PM Update:
Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received so 
far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the only 
explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still have 
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Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection.
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Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

[James Howard]

Since their backup provider is at the "other end" of the network from 
"momentum" I suppose they're using Apathy (or Impotency was listed as another 
antonym for momentum) Telecom for that one.

From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


now the CEO has posted a video saying they had crews work through the night to 
connect their backup connection at the other end of the network.  So I don't 
know if their main feed is back up or not.

- Original Message -
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


They said they came up at 11:15 am.  No reason for outage given.

- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?


do they sell through someone else? att perhaps?  or use them for transport?
- Original Message -
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Momentum Telcom?

Mark,

Should clarify "1500+ Phone Lines".  We don't use them for transit.
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We have about 1500 lines with Momentum.  Rarely do we have an issue with them.  
They have 2 or 3 switches around the country, so they are fairly redundant.  We 
have been with them for about 8 years.  Really have no complaints.  Customer 
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The local electric coop who is building a fiber network "to connect their 
substations" and will serve anyone they pass has been offline now for two days. 
 Their provider is apparently this company.

Any back story or inside info?

from their facebook -

8/9/2021 - 8/10/2021
6:00 AM Update:
Overnight communications with our carrier have yielded no results. 
Unfortunately, we still do not have an ETA on when the outage will be resolved. 
Please know our board, management, and Sprout team find this is as unacceptable 
as you do and this is not how we treat our subscribers. We will make this 
right. We will ensure this type of issue does not occur again.
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Guys, we are so very sorry for this outage! The information we've received so 
far is that the carrier has their engineers testing the connection and the only 
explanation is "difficulties at the core." It's not good news as we still have 
not been giving a cause, location or ETA. We will continue to work with the 
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becomes available.
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We have sent an email communication to all of our subscribers with additional 
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outage. Please check the email associated with your Sprout Account. 
Unfortunately, the short answer is we still do not have an ETA of when service 
will be restored and we still do not know the cause. The issue is in the 
connection from Atlanta via an internet carrier to us. There is no damage or 
cause on our side of the connection.
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone With Sonar v2 Happy?

[James Howard]

Depends.  How many Sonar v2 customers are on here?   If there aren't any v2 
customers it's not surprising that there aren't any happy ones.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone With Sonar v2 Happy?

I think it speaks volumes.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 5:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone With Sonar v2 Happy?

2 days 0 comments on here or your Facebook post that's not saying much



On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 10:21 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
We are looking for any Sonar v2 customers that are happy. If so, are you a 
veteran ISP, or are you new to the table?


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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

[James Howard]

Now, don’t be hating on Matt.  Wait, I agree with you so that would make me a 
hater too.  Oh well.

What he described was not just a second chance but one under altered conditions 
so there’s always a chance that what he’s taking away from her as far as 
“power” over other employees might make the difference to her being able to do 
her job acceptably.   Highly unlikely in my opinion, but at worst he gains some 
time and if spending time working closely with her before he has to cut the 
cord will result in him having a much better feel for everything she’s doing so 
that he can train her replacement faster and easier.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

I think you did right.

Worst that can happen is she does some sabotage. But that applies to any person 
on disciplinary.

You're giving her the opportunity to rectify the situation, maybe she didnt 
know she was toxic.

If you end up having to cut her loose you dont have to question the call, you 
gave her the opportunity to make right.

It's not often I'll say I think matt Hoppes did the right thing, usuallynits 
"why is this guy making life so hard on himself"

Hopefully she takes a corrective course and integrates into the team, pride is 
a hard thing to swallow, so punching it down her throat for her maybe did good.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 11:23 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I am.

On 8/3/21 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I have allowed fired people to come back a couple of times.  Did not work 
> out.  They have resentment that will not go away.  Be ready to hit the eject 
> button without hesitation.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 7:44 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led to a 
>> different direction than I thought it would.
>>
>> Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and 
>> accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they ever done 
>> wrong.
>>
>> Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me that 
>> their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know what to 
>> do and they need help.
>>
>> After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the job back 
>> with the following stipulations:
>>
>> * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job
>>
>> * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's more 
>> of a work position vs a management position and have clear expectations of 
>> what may and may not be done/said as well as what behavior will not be 
>> tolerated.
>>
>> * There is a very short leash for the next few months during which time we 
>> will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as well as if 
>> at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what needs to happen we 
>> will immediately stop whatever is going on and go talk about it.
>>
>> I still don't know if I made the proper decision.I labored over the 
>> firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and not in 
>> haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100% firing there 
>> would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there was genuine repentance 
>> and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs just "crap I lost my 
>> job").
>>
>> As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they become a better 
>> person both at work and in their personal life, I felt like I would be doing 
>> this person a disservice if I sent them on their way and said "Go in peace, 
>> keep warm and well fed" but did nothing for their physical needs.
>>
>>
>> I figure time will quickly tell of the desire to change is genuine or not, 
>> and as long as we have clear expectations and rules laid out what harm can 
>> there be?   The employee did do good work that I myself hated doing, their 
>> ability to interact with others was just.. severely lacking.
>>
>> I think this may have been the "rock bottom" event some people need in their 
>> life to smack them upside the face.
>>
>> Thoughts?
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

[James Howard]

Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the behavior will 
definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their employment.  
Unless you love micro managing people that gets really old in a hurry and then 
they just return to their "default" behavior.  As Chuck said there will likely 
be resentment for the firing as well as resentment for the micro management as 
long as they are there.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?

You just got manipulated.

Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better.

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On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led to a
different direction than I thought it would.

Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and
accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they ever
done wrong.

Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me that
their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know
what to do and they need help.

After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the job
back with the following stipulations:

* Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job

* On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's
more of a work position vs a management position and have clear
expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as what
behavior will not be tolerated.

* There is a very short leash for the next few months during which time
we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as
well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what
needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going on and go
talk about it.

I still don't know if I made the proper decision.I labored over the
firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and not
in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100%
firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there was
genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs
just "crap I lost my job").

As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they become a
better person both at work and in their personal life, I felt like I
would be doing this person a disservice if I sent them on their way and
said "Go in peace, keep warm and well fed" but did nothing for their
physical needs.


I figure time will quickly tell of the desire to change is genuine or
not, and as long as we have clear expectations and rules laid out what
harm can there be?   The employee did do good work that I myself hated
doing, their ability to interact with others was just.. severely
lacking.

I think this may have been the "rock bottom" event some people need in
their life to smack them upside the face.

Thoughts?


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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

[James Howard]

Steve is a victim?  I thought he was a toxic employee of value.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:12 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling


the word "rape" mean anything to you?  You've described a victim
On 7/29/21 10:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Being a toxic employee of value, I can offer some insight here. Toxic employees 
corrupt every future employee who walks in the door. We can be likened to an 
abusive spouse. Our worth seems very high up front, but what is our cost in the 
long run? We may excel in our area of expertise, even to the point we seem 
irreplaceable. This broad is probably costing you more in other areas than you 
realize.
We dealt with a lady like this at one of our sites we rent. Our contract gives 
us 24x7 access. She refused to allow us on the property if there wasnt a staff 
member present. Our customers (including this landlord) didnt want outage 
during business hours. Yet they would have to pay overtime for a staff member 
to be present after hours. We dont pay enough in rent to cover this.
Luckily she ended up causing farmers to drop their grain contracts to go 
elsewhere (where they got paid less for their yield) solely because they got 
tired of dealing with her.
 Look to see what you're losing by keeping this "invaluable" employee. I'll bet 
you're losing more than you gain.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 5:56 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Have you watched The Accountant?  ;-)


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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

When you have a conversation with her, does she struggle to look you in
the eye? Reason I ask is that she "might" be on the spectrum. Some of
the people on the spectrun can be amazingly detail oriented, and can
perform jobs that would bore a "normal" person out of their gourd. They
can be ideally suited to detail-oriented work, but they can also have
limited social skills, and they can get really upset when presented with
a change in plans.


bp


On 7/28/2021 10:32 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I've got a situation and looking for advice on how to best handle it.
>
> I have an employee who is very detail oriented and does a great job of
> organizing things and keeping scheduling running smoothly for the most
> part.
>
> However, at times she has expressed that she feels overwhelmed if
> there are too many leads coming in and trying to keep them straight -
> so as a result at times we have deployed slower than I would like.
>
> We really should hire an additional customer service person, but two
> people we've had have left because of her attitude towards them (she
> can be blunt, and at times has mood swings).
>
> She basically runs our billing and customer service departments, and
> I've given her authority to do that, but when I make suggestions on
> things we should or shouldn't be doing she gets very upset about it.
>
> Right now we're working on some expansion projects and she has
> expressed various concerns/reasons we shouldn't do things that I think
> we should do.
>
> I hesitate to throw out the baby with the bath water, but the behavior
> needs to change and thus far I've been unsuccessful at changing this
> behavior.
>
> I plan to have a frank conversation with her in the next few days, but
> I'm curious to hear thoughts from others on something like this.  How
> do I best allow autonomy of the department she's managing while also
> keeping in mind I sign the paychecks.
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[James Howard]

You and Jaime are on facebook?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

If it werent for me and jaime nobody would have to go to facebook

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:58 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

I sent a few of those too.  A little more expensive than a letter with a stamp. 
 Seems it was like $7 for a short sentence.

Hell no I won't go FB.
On 7/25/21 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
That got me thinking of telegrams.  I only sent one.  I was a teenager trying 
to contact a former girlfriend.

But we received a few and in my inlaws stuff we found dozens that were sent to 
them when they got married.
They all had that little strip of paper glued onto the form for each line of 
the message.  I used to think someone was cutting those strips out of a 
printout.  Nope, the printers actually printed on the little strip of paper.

And in their world, “full stop” meant period.  And a period got charged the 
same rate as a word.

Someone had the glorious job of gluing strips onto forms all day long.

Nice that you could send a note to someone and Western Union had to track them 
down and deliver it.  Better than repeatedly trying to make person to person 
telephone calls.  It really did have an email attribute that it was fast but 
could be launched and not worried about.

The local newspaper office had one of those wire service printers running 
constantly.  Those printouts were on long rolls of newsprint type paper.  
Slightly yellow.  I think I owned one at one time when I was trying to get into 
RTTY as a ham.  KSR48 I think.  It was an ASCII machine where earlier ones were 
BAUDOT.

From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

I think those that are FB enthusiasts left a long time ago.  I have never been 
on FB other than when my wife tells me that someone is posting something I 
should see.  I will go there and see someone sent me a message 6 months ago.  I 
apologize and give them my email address.

So odd that younger folk look at email as antiquated.  But then, none of them 
have ever sent or received a telegram...

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list dead?


If the people on this list went to FB, I would have to say adios.



bp


On 7/25/2021 5:25 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
Everyone seems to have moved on to the WISP talk Facebook group

There are still a good number on this list though



On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 12:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I tried that and got arrested for desecration of a corpse

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:27 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Necromancy required to resurrect?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

[James Howard]

Until a Trollhunter comes after you….https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/


From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 12:15 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

Sometimes it is fun to be a troll.

Damn paperclips keep sticking to me...

From: Jan-GAMs
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To: af@af.afmug.com
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You have a yes vote here
On 7/26/21 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I like this:

Contact trace your covid back to the unvaccinated person that transmitted it.  
They get to pay for the healthcare/death.
Having a vax is safe harbor.

Tort law to the rescue!
Now we need some covid liability policies.  Unvaxed people have to have 
insurance.  Just like if you wanna drive a car you gotta have insurance because 
you are a hazard to everyone else on the road.  You wanna walk free either get 
vaxed or get the liability policy.

Now, how about random stops, or perhaps entry into large gatherings.  Show the 
shot card or proof of insurance.
The venue is gonna have to track where people are sitting so they can help 
assign the blame.  Maybe give all non vaxed a gps wrist strap that gets tracked 
throughout the event.

Or, perhaps we can come up with some of nuclear backscatter detector that will 
finger you by just scanning you.  Immediately get to appear before Judge Dredd. 
 Or you get disintegrated on the spot.

From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

So, unvacinnated folk that get the virus and walk around for a few days 
breathing on the general public are OK with you?  Some are asymptomatic, others 
are just not feeling too poorly to stay home yet.  But they are a living 
breathing biological warfare machine.  And they can just run free?

How about if they had anthrax or rabies or the plague?  Doesn’t matter?

From: Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 6:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

Or that other person can ware the condom since they are so afraid of it, or 
maybe they should not be out in public?


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Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable.  COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you 
down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing.  People have been 
prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS.  Why not COVID?  If you don’t want 
the vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come within 100’ of 
another person.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine, the shingles 
vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other medications.   Each decision 
should be based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical condition being 
treated.   To think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than they 
do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive.   To call them selfish 
for making a decision they believe is in their best medical interest seems 
overly judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to take it simply 
because they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical treatment against 
their will.   You may feel that we should force them to take the treatment for 
the better good.   I doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration 
of young men to curb overcrowding of the earth.   Obviously there is a line 
somewhere about forced treatment for the greater good.  I am not attempting to 
determine where that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical 
reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they shouldn’t be publicly 
shamed for making that decision.   It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am 
learning I see things differently than some other folks.   So be it.

I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we still have to act 
like the vaccine doesn’t work in order to save the human race.   Seems like a 
disconnect there.

If we were really so worried about infecting others or causing harm to others, 
we would avoid all other activities that create risk for others.  We’d never 
drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car.   I doubt that very many 
of us on this list 

Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

[James Howard]

Wait a minute.  You got kick back for sending an email?  How do we all get in 
on that?

On a serious note though, the last email I saw before this afternoon was one 
from Bill at 11:19am (Central) on Monday commenting on Chuck's shrimp 
deprivation.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 4:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

I sent one two days ago and it was kicked back

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Sunday.  Perhaps something is scraping off at my end.
If anyone sees this in the next few hours of 7/21/21 9:59 mountain daylight 
time, please reply directly to me: ch...@go-mtc.com
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB - snapshot?

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My understanding is that the snapshots will include anyone enrolled before 
midnight on the 1st.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

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I think there are some beds that record your sleep behaviors and upload it to 
the hive so the collective knows all about how you're sleeping as well as 
everything you say around your phone and your Alexa or google device.  Last 
time I was researching a new mattress I think I saw some that did anyway.

It's always quite disturbing when you talk to someone about something kind of 
off the wall that you are thinking about looking for and then you open Facebook 
and it's got a bunch of ads for that off the wall thing.  maybe the bed 
listens to what the person says in their sleep to harvest marketing info.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something


What does the bed do that it needs WiFi?  Is it really just for the remote 
control?  Why would they not use a UHF or IR remote? Makes no sense.  Did they 
save $1.23 by using a general purpose single board computer with wifi?

I'm going to make a botnet out of adjustable beds and use it to mine bitcoins.  
I'm betting the beds have surplus computing power.


On 6/23/2021 2:42 PM, James Howard wrote:
You expect someone with an internet connected bed NOT to think a Mikrotik is 
inferior?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our router.
The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was inferior
and that was the problem.

Josh Luthman wrote:
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>
> Your phone isn't turning on. Please contact your ISP.
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> > pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc)
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

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You expect someone with an internet connected bed NOT to think a Mikrotik is 
inferior?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our router.
The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was inferior
and that was the problem.

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Your TV isn't connecting. Please contact your ISP.
>
> Your phone isn't turning on. Please contact your ISP.
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> Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.
> Please contact your ISP.
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> Josh Luthman
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince 
> mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
> WAY
> to the equipment room.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> > internet. On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> > pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc)
> How can
> > you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually
> > blinking are not blinking? I'm guessing it's also much quieter
> than
> > normal. And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call
> the ISP
> > because the internet isn't working' before even checking anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

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Haven't tried it at all but the company website says it's polyurethane.  I 
never thought it looked worth trying for posts but thought it might work to 
pour it around a splice case to make a foam block like Chuck was talking about. 
 Now that I'm thinking about it though, it wouldn't just be a pocket but you'd 
have to cut it off the case if/when you ever needed to get into it since it 
would be a formed blob.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

@James that stuff is a complete joke, we tried it for a few posts at customer 
sites and it was entirely a waste of time

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What about using something like this?

https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/bagged-concrete-cement-mortar/fast-2k-trade-quick-foam-post-anchor-2-9-lb/1894030/p-1526970580634-c-5648.htm?tid=1606715208629456470=1


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

I would think carve it with a wire cutter.  Polyurethane is pretty expensive 
foam.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation


So do you carve a handhole pocket out of a solid block, or mold the styrofoam 
with a handhole pocket built in?

I wonder if you could mold your own out of polyurethane foam.

https://www.fibreglast.com/product/2lb-Mix-And-Pour-Foam?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5auGBhDEARIsAFyNm9HWb1-WKMvpV4NJobUzWOFaDRUJVW8DnQHnezAOVTeMb29vpJGHUdsaAizlEALw_wcB


On 6/16/2021 6:11 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Google direct buries most of their splice enclosures with a locate ball.

I am thinking of making a large cube of styrofoam that has a pocket for the 
splice case.
Direct bury it all with a locate ball.  Need back in, just cut the sod and pull 
out the styrofoam.

The strength of a block of styrofoam is in the same range of firm to stiff soil.
Lot less money than a handhole.  You could use a hot blade and cut it up to get 
it out if you needed the slack coil.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

I've been using the Carson / Oldcastle 2200-18 vaults with a 6" extension, but 
everything is backordered 30+ weeks.  Does anyone have any alternate 
suggestions for a vault to hold a FOSC 450A  splice closure? HDPE would 
probably be preferable, but I could do a concrete polymer if necessary.

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Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

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What about using something like this?

https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/bagged-concrete-cement-mortar/fast-2k-trade-quick-foam-post-anchor-2-9-lb/1894030/p-1526970580634-c-5648.htm?tid=1606715208629456470=1


From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

I would think carve it with a wire cutter.  Polyurethane is pretty expensive 
foam.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 4:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation


So do you carve a handhole pocket out of a solid block, or mold the styrofoam 
with a handhole pocket built in?

I wonder if you could mold your own out of polyurethane foam.

https://www.fibreglast.com/product/2lb-Mix-And-Pour-Foam?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5auGBhDEARIsAFyNm9HWb1-WKMvpV4NJobUzWOFaDRUJVW8DnQHnezAOVTeMb29vpJGHUdsaAizlEALw_wcB


On 6/16/2021 6:11 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Google direct buries most of their splice enclosures with a locate ball.

I am thinking of making a large cube of styrofoam that has a pocket for the 
splice case.
Direct bury it all with a locate ball.  Need back in, just cut the sod and pull 
out the styrofoam.

The strength of a block of styrofoam is in the same range of firm to stiff soil.
Lot less money than a handhole.  You could use a hot blade and cut it up to get 
it out if you needed the slack coil.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Handhole / vault recommendation

I've been using the Carson / Oldcastle 2200-18 vaults with a 6" extension, but 
everything is backordered 30+ weeks.  Does anyone have any alternate 
suggestions for a vault to hold a FOSC 450A  splice closure? HDPE would 
probably be preferable, but I could do a concrete polymer if necessary.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

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Sounds like the ideal solution is to hire guys from “Steve’s Temp Agency and 
Fertilizer Co” by the day.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

Fyi, if you have a big hole out black and shoot them at the end of the workday, 
nobody has to be paid, and over time that hole becomes some prime fertilizer as 
a secondary revenue stream.its best to spread your hiring amongst multiple home 
depot's though so as not to deplete inventory too quickly
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 3:31 PM James Howard 
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If it’s anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that they 
qualify as an independent contractor.  One of the main qualifiers for being an 
independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own equipment or tools, 
employer cannot provide any.  That disqualifies most……



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

But what about workers comp coverage?

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as 
contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. 
If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at 
end of day.
I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a 
place to send it from a paper with their signature on it.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
1099?

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How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without 
running into problems with workers comp and the IRS?
Do you only hire the ones with papers?  No way to get a W2 to someone that is 
homeless.  Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some 
bogus item?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

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If it's anything like Wisconsin they will say that you have to prove that they 
qualify as an independent contractor.  One of the main qualifiers for being an 
independent contractor is that they can ONLY use your own equipment or tools, 
employer cannot provide any.  That disqualifies most..



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

But what about workers comp coverage?

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 11:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring guys off the street

If they make less than $600 you don't have to file a 1099. I'd put it down as 
contract labor with a name. Just make sure you don't pay them more than $600. 
If you are getting the same guys over and over, then it's 1099 time.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:30 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think most of them are accustomed to a dont ask dont tell policy. Cash pay at 
end of day.
I dont think its your responsibility to ensure receipt of a w2, you just need a 
place to send it from a paper with their signature on it.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 10:48 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
1099?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
How do you pick up a few guys by Home Depot and work them for a day without 
running into problems with workers comp and the IRS?
Do you only hire the ones with papers?  No way to get a W2 to someone that is 
homeless.  Or do you do it all under the table and post the expense to some 
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

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We’ve made the decision to require them to do the verification process on the 
website and then give us their information so that we can enroll them.  They 
can’t enroll themselves.  If they do the verification it gives them a number to 
show that they were accepted.  You don’t need to actually enter that number 
when enrolling them but we’re making them give it to us so that we know they 
actually did the verification and we aren’t wasting our time trying to enroll 
them.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave via AF
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 9:02 AM
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Cc: dave 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll them 
selves and we submit their acceptance?

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On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.



Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.



Just starting to dig into what all this means though.



Mark



On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:



Has  anyone  had  any  luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3

customers  that  I'm  trying  to enroll.  Al 3 say the went though the

process.  One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.

Every time I try to enroll them I get



"The  subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yet

or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
getemergencybroadband.org"



The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if there is

something I'm missing.





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Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, look

[James Howard]

Time to break out the rice vinegar and habanero!

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Subject: [AFMUG] Jaime, look

Just look at this


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[James Howard]

I figured it must be there somewhere.  I suppose I should have attended some of 
the webinars.  I've watched a few of the recorded ones so was able to get this 
far.

Thanks much though.  That's very helpful.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

James,

Go to tools/resources and choose reports

Detail Active Subscriber Report

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Monday, May 17, 2021, 12:36:42 PM, you wrote:

Did you ask the customer for the application ID they get when they are actually 
verified?   I'm surprised they don't ask us for that when we enroll them but I 
didn't see where you could enter it.  I've only had one give us that so far and 
after a few attempts at submitting it and not having all the required fields 
exactly right it finally showed as "SUCCESS" for the status.  Is there some way 
to actually see the enrolled subscribers though?  I haven't been able to find 
that.  I did see something in the stuff about submitting claims that the system 
takes a snapshot at the end/beginning of the month of all the enrolled 
subscribers.  Seems like we need to be able to see them somewhere in order to 
know if we need to update or de-enroll them...



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 7:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.

Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say "Application_Not_Found", one is 
"Application Pending" and one has multiple fails for 
"Application_not_complete", "Invalid_Address", and "State_Fed_Fail".

Just starting to dig into what all this means though.

Mark

> On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>  wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any luck enrolling customers in EBB? I have 3
> customers that I'm trying to enroll. Al 3 say the went though the
> process. One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
> Every time I try to enroll them I get
>
> "The subscriber has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
> or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
> getemergencybroadband.org"
>
> The odds of all 3 screwing up are low. Just wondering if there is
> something I'm missing.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[James Howard]

Did you ask the customer for the application ID they get when they are actually 
verified?   I’m surprised they don’t ask us for that when we enroll them but I 
didn’t see where you could enter it.  I’ve only had one give us that so far and 
after a few attempts at submitting it and not having all the required fields 
exactly right it finally showed as “SUCCESS” for the status.  Is there some way 
to actually see the enrolled subscribers though?  I haven’t been able to find 
that.  I did see something in the stuff about submitting claims that the system 
takes a snapshot at the end/beginning of the month of all the enrolled 
subscribers.  Seems like we need to be able to see them somewhere in order to 
know if we need to update or de-enroll them…



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 7:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.

Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.

Just starting to dig into what all this means though.

Mark

> On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>  wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any luck enrolling customers in EBB? I have 3
> customers that I'm trying to enroll. Al 3 say the went though the
> process. One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
> Every time I try to enroll them I get
>
> "The subscriber has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
> or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
> getemergencybroadband.org"
>
> The odds of all 3 screwing up are low. Just wondering if there is
> something I'm missing.
>
>
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> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
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Re: [AFMUG] contractor damage to equipment

[James Howard]

I personally would have a hard time accepting a refurbished radio (and 2 6 hour 
outages vs 1 possibly 3 hour outage if they just replace the one radio) for a 
contractor’s mistake on a brand new set of equipment.

“boss has a bigger heart than me”  Does this mean that you’re the grinch at the 
beginning of the story and boss is grinch at the end?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contractor damage to equipment

We did get closeout pics, but I think they repeaked. We have to do both ends 
because all we have on hand is non coupler radios. We dont even know if one 
polarity will come up. On the other end. Either way we can only operate one 
processor because the non coupler doesnt match license. Technichally we cant 
even don't cause it doesnt match our license hardware id.

I did put requirements on whatever they do to have start to finish video given 
all the issues weve had with them. I fired them, but boss has bigger heart than 
me, so they are closing out existing jobs before I stop calling them.



On Mon, May 10, 2021, 12:27 PM jerry bickle 
mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com>> wrote:
I usually try to get pictures of the installation for the close out package.  I 
don’t know why you need to do both ends of the link.  If the radio comes back 
with a clean bill of health, then I don’t see why you need to climb the tower 
again to put it back.  He should climb and replace it at his cost.  Take lots 
of pictures and better yet, video of everything.

Jerry Bickle
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RF Design Services, LLC
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Fax: 405.330.1310
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Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, May 10, 2021 at 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] contractor damage to equipment

So we had a contractor replace some aviat radios for us. On one of the radios 
they left the alignment cap off, we didnt discover this til a month (and a few 
heavy rain storms) later. Theres no way its not got water in it, and worse it 
was really humid/misting the day we closed it. Its guaranteed theres at least a 
water droplet worth of condensation in there.

We are demanding it be rectified before a failure occurs, probably mid january, 
in the middle of a three day blizzard.

As far as Im concerned, its the contractors responsibility to eat the cost of a 
new radio.

He wants us to provide one of our spares so he can swap it, send the radio in 
for refurbishment, then swap it back. The issue is these are couple 4200s so 
the swap requires both sides of the link to have the adapters and radios 
swapped out, then swapped again on both when the refurbishment is complete. and 
we then have a radio we cant get a warranty on.

The last time this contractor swapped these adapters it took 3 hours per radio. 
So we are talking 2 six hour outages on a primary backhaul (this brings our 
second provider to 2/3 of the network). sure I can play with BGP to minimize 
impact, but its still a minimum 6 hours of degraded service.

I personally dont think we should give this contractor the option to take a 
brand new radio (literally less than two months old) and replace it with the 
same radio thats now refurbished. These are particularly painful to obtain (sub 
band 3 coupler radios) but aviat happens to have a set on hand.

Am I being a dick about this? I think doing something as stupid as leaving a 
cap off on a contract job should have a memorable cost
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ohm's Law

[James Howard]

Watt?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ohm's Law


Because you don't wear pants?
On 5/10/2021 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So I guess I am a volt, not an amp.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Ohm's Law


I don't know who Lisanne Waifu is, but I think she has a good grasp on Ohm's 
Law.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

[James Howard]

PRIVATE lake

From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

On 4/28/21 07:53, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Saw this from a friend on Facebook.  Demoralizing.  Yeah fuck me, I'm an
> evil asshole.  Internet would be $15/month if I wasn't such a bad person.


I've had to explain more than once to people that I actually have bills
to pay too. I guess most people think I just pocket all the money while
I sit on my yacht at the lake with bikini girls to attend to my every need.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque area

[James Howard]

Here's the correct syntax:

It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, I does not like it Sam I am.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber optic training and certification classes in Albuquerque 
area

Does anyone know of a place? Sam i Am Lambie?
It's a short drive for me versus Dallas, which, i don't like anyways.
Thanks
Jaime

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Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

[James Howard]

Some people actually LIKE Facebook?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

We get it, you don't like Facebook. Many do.


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From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>>
To: "Jesse DuPont" 
mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>>, 
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:23:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

I wouldn't use FB if it was the last available option on the planet, but I 
really like the PBX idea.  It's professional, courteous, and affords immediate 
response.
On 4/14/21 5:58 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
For sure, some people won't receive the notification if their Internet from us 
is down (because they're not in cell coverage), but it's a very small 
percentage. They also won't receive an email (which more often than not goes to 
spam anyway). And most of the older generation (I'm in my 40's, so I'm speaking 
of my parents) are using iPads now anyway. Overall, using FB has been very 
effective at reaching a large percentage of our customer base. We do also 
update our IVR when we have outages so people calling get it there, but it 
happens more quickly on FB.


Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 4/14/21 5:23 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

Some of our customers use cell phones, some live in areas where cell phones 
don't work and most of our customers are older than dirt.  Many use computers 
to communicate with the outside world.  No internet, their world is broken.
On 4/14/21 3:35 PM, David Coudron wrote:
The majority of our customers receive email/twitter and check Facebook from 
their phones.   In fact, I believe the majority of customers use their phone as 
their primary email platform.   Very few check email from computers anymore.  
However this is skewed by age.  Older customers use the computer more than 
younger ones.   Customers in their 20s and 30s hardly ever touch a computer and 
receive email/twitter updates easily during an outage.  While their phones are 
set to use wifi, when it isn’t there they continue on cellular.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jan-GAMs
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers


let's see, your customer is in an outage and your method of reaching out to 
them is via FB, email or twitter?  what's wrong with this picture?
On 4/12/21 9:24 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
We use a Facebook group and avoid posting anything except outages (planned or 
otherwise) so they stick on it.
We will also do emails if we have a whole tower own for a planned outage.


Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 4/12/21 8:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We have an alerts group on facebook customers can opt into, we ha e Twilio half 
set up for powercode to message through, but it seems clunky, otherwise we just 
update server plus to handle inbound calls.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Wow, Twitter?  I am not a Twitter user.  I wonder if my customers are?
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2021, at 7:48 PM, Andrew Haninger 
mailto:ahan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Email and Twitter.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 21:40 Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the best way to notify customers of planned maintenance outages?  
Robocalls, text, email?

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