Re: [AFMUG] Epmp Test tool UDP or TCP?
Its UDP - Thanks Sakid From: af@afmug.com [mailto:af@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Epmp Test tool UDP or TCP? What protocol is used? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Gino, Yes, we are working on some solutions for lowering latency. More on that in the near future. Sakid From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sakid.ahmed=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriam Any work being done to lower the latency on the Epmp system,? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi Jeremy, The doc uses an example terrain (much less the one west of Rolling Meadows ☺) and no way is it representative of all possible terrains out there. As a general rule of thumb, you don’t want two sectors on nearby towers facing each other operating on the same frequency. But if there is enough terrain between them providing plenty of isolation (attenuation), then it’s certainly worth a try. The four channel reuse on multiple towers is recommended, again as a rule of thumb, but you can certainly populate your network of POPs with two channels if the terrain allows it. Bumpy terrain, plenty of tree covers etc. will certainly help your cause in reusing two channels across towers. If you have four channels available, by all means throw them on your four sector tower. This mitigates the need for GPS sync. However, if the four channels are adjacent channels without much guard band, then GPS sync is still recommended. In an unsynchronized system using ABCD adjacent channels, you may need twice the amount of guard band as the channel size when using adjacent channels (read alternate adjacent channel since you need the guard band). With a GPS synchronized system, on ePMP, 5MHz guard band is recommended between adjacent channels. Regarding the “Front Sector” and “Back Sector” settings recommended in the doc (and User Guide), you will have to follow that. That is part of the magic sauce in ePMP that make GPS sync work on this platform. Please give link plannerhttps://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/linkplanner a try if you haven’t already. Even though it doesn’t predict or help with deploying a synchronized network, it does predict performance of your deployment (each POP) taking the terrain, antenna azimuth/elevation and many other key factors into account. And lastly, like Adam pointed out, you can switch the GPS source on the GUI. However, it doesn’t auto switch sources like PMP 450. This is something we still need to implement on ePMP. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question I doubt anybody can make that perfect grid shown in the white papers. You just get as close as is reasonable. When ePMP first came out there was a document describing the two channel layout vs four channels and it spelled out that there are specific cases where you are guaranteed to get self interference in a two channel system. You can switch sync sources in the web GUI. According to the guys at the ePMP Tour in Albany, the Front and back sector designations are strictly informational. Like the sectorID in Canopy. The setting has no actual technical affect, so if you don't need it as a mnemonic device you can ignore it. Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack
Originally, I responded to this: Ø “I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. And asked you not to think about security in those terms. Don’t assume you understand all the possible attack vectors, don’t assume that because certain other things need to happen, you’re invulnerable, etc etc. When you get right down to it, though, UNIX really wants to land you at a shell, and bash is the default shell in a lot of places. You’re certainly listed a whole bunch of issues in the software world at large, dedicated applicances, etc etc and I certainly sympathize with a lot of the issues you’ve raised. Of course, the slightly less empathetic sysadmin in me says ‘too bad; you put public-facing server on the Internet, you have an obligation, and a responsibility to maintain it properly.’ I argue in my head with him A LOT. Yes, absolutely, you can mitigate the issues you raised in your last email to a very reasonable degree with proper firewalling, internal processes, etc etc. And it sounds like you’re cognizant of the need to do that, so that’s great too. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless appliance at a remote site. I’m guessing that creating another user with a different shell like csh or ksh might offer a failsafe. I would have to see what other shells are available on the device. So this is a Tyan kiosk type server with BlueQuartz installed, long ago defunct. Nuonce was maintaining repositories but stopped a long time ago. Other people are going to face similar situations. Not every server is built from scratch loading the OS and then the applications. Sometimes you use an all-in-one install disk, like CactiEZ or some of the Asterisk/FreePBX distributions. I’m evaluating the PBX appliances from Grandstream, clearly they run Asterisk and probably Linux under the hood, but you can’t even get to the command line, so any software updates would have to be from the web GUI with updates from Grandstream. So I’m thinking if that’s a problem, being totally dependent on the vendor, I guess stuff like routers are the same. But you can’t just go and do a yum update on everything that has Linux inside, or recompile the source code with the patch and install it yourself, even assuming you feel comfortable doing that. From: Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Quite honestly, who cares? There’s zero downside to closing the security hole. Hopefully you’re closing all your other security holes too, especially for things like DNS or NTP that are almost public facing by default. Why not close this one at the same time? What happens in six months when you, or somebody, stick another service on that machine? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Why? Take the case of a dedicated server that only does let’s say DHCP or DNS or NTP. It only has one port open to the Internet, and there’s no way to get to a bash shell via that port. How the hell is someone going to pass an environment variable to a bash shell on that server? From: Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Ø I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. Please don’t think like this. From: Af
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Jeremy, If you happen to have 4 channels available then you are on the right path in designing one tower with ABAB and then the next with CDCD with the directions of neighboring same channel sectors pointing away from each other if possible. Yes, frequency front/back does go away in the ABCD(when on a single tower) model as you don’t have back to back frequency reuse. Long story short, if you have 4 channels available then going ABAB and then CDCD on adjacent sectors and then ABAB again would probably go a long way in keeping self interference down to a minimum. Hope this helps. Sakid From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sakid.ahmed=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM To: That One Guy via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram From: Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.commailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Great!! Thanks Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Sakid Ahmed via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Gino, Yes, we are working on some solutions for lowering latency. More on that in the near future. Sakid From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sakid.ahmed=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriam Any work being done to lower the latency on the Epmp system,? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi Jeremy, The doc uses an example terrain (much less the one west of Rolling Meadows ☺) and no way is it representative of all possible terrains out there. As a general rule of thumb, you don’t want two sectors on nearby towers facing each other operating on the same frequency. But if there is enough terrain between them providing plenty of isolation (attenuation), then it’s certainly worth a try. The four channel reuse on multiple towers is recommended, again as a rule of thumb, but you can certainly populate your network of POPs with two channels if the terrain allows it. Bumpy terrain, plenty of tree covers etc. will certainly help your cause in reusing two channels across towers. If you have four channels available, by all means throw them on your four sector tower. This mitigates the need for GPS sync. However, if the four channels are adjacent channels without much guard band, then GPS sync is still recommended. In an unsynchronized system using ABCD adjacent channels, you may need twice the amount of guard band as the channel size when using adjacent channels (read alternate adjacent channel since you need the guard band). With a GPS synchronized system, on ePMP, 5MHz guard band is recommended between adjacent channels. Regarding the “Front Sector” and “Back Sector” settings recommended in the doc (and User Guide), you will have to follow that. That is part of the magic sauce in ePMP that make GPS sync work on this platform. Please give link plannerhttps://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/linkplanner a try if you haven’t already. Even though it doesn’t predict or help with deploying a synchronized network, it does predict performance of your deployment (each POP) taking the terrain, antenna azimuth/elevation and many other key factors into account. And lastly, like Adam pointed out, you can switch the GPS source on the GUI. However, it doesn’t auto switch sources like PMP 450. This is something we still need to implement on ePMP. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question I doubt anybody can make that perfect grid shown in the white papers. You just get as close as is reasonable. When ePMP first came out there was a document describing the two channel layout vs four channels and it spelled out that there are specific cases where you are guaranteed to get self interference in a two channel system. You can switch sync sources in the web GUI. According to the guys at the ePMP Tour in Albany, the Front and back sector designations are strictly informational. Like the sectorID in Canopy. The setting has no actual technical affect, so if you don't need it as a mnemonic device you can ignore it. Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which
Re: [AFMUG] Workers Compensation Premiums
The Hartford. Would have to look everything up... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bump. Anyone? Thanks On Friday, September 26, 2014, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey all, What are you paying for workers comp on average per employee? Also, what provider are you using for the insurance? Any special advice for finding a new provider? We are about 10% of their time for tower work so I'm sure premiums go up with a higher percentage so what are you all doing? Thank you -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Workers Compensation Premiums
That brings another question. What insurance rate code is tower climbing under and also just a normal installer for residential and business installations? My insurance guy had a hard time finding codes to classify us under. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Brian Gilbreth - CVALINK brian.gilbr...@cvalink.com wrote: Workers Comp is state specific and the rate is based on the duties of the employee. The rates can also vary greatly based on the claims the employer. If you are only working on towers 10% of the time and using the same employee I would do a payroll break down for the employee otherwise the company is going to charge you the highest rate class for the exposure. You can do this even if you are paying the same rate per hour, ie. 35 hours installation 5 hours tower tower. This will keep your premium low and is fair to both sides. -Brian On 9/29/2014 9:19 AM, Jon Langeler wrote: The Hartford. Would have to look everything up... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bump. Anyone? Thanks On Friday, September 26, 2014, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey all, What are you paying for workers comp on average per employee? Also, what provider are you using for the insurance? Any special advice for finding a new provider? We are about 10% of their time for tower work so I'm sure premiums go up with a higher percentage so what are you all doing? Thank you -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ___ Members mailing listMembers@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- Brian Gilbreth, Managing Member and Owner CVALINK Broadbandhttp://www.cvalink.com 4471 Davis Hwy Suite B Louisa VA 23093 Office 540-967-3973 Fax 888-251-4652 Cell 540-223-6172 ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Ahem Tesla's fused thoughts before Marconi stole them. Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on current project. Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads and a strong pull guide inside. That connects to box outside the control room and about 15 more feet via conduit to RTU panel Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
[AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan
Is there any way for an ePMP radio to scan the air and tell you what SSIDs it sees? I'm trying to align two backhauls that when pointed roughly the same direction... can't see each other. I don't want to just move it slightly and wait for the web interface to show it connected... or not. I want to run a scan, see it complete and tell me what it found. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on current project. Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads and a strong pull guide inside. That connects to box outside the control room Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan
Wireless, Monitor should show you that. Tools, eDetect will show you the signal strength of anything on the channel by MAC only. Might help you get close… ePMP MACs start with 00:04. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan Is there any way for an ePMP radio to scan the air and tell you what SSIDs it sees? I'm trying to align two backhauls that when pointed roughly the same direction... can't see each other. I don't want to just move it slightly and wait for the web interface to show it connected... or not. I want to run a scan, see it complete and tell me what it found. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels
OK, thanks. From: Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels 906,915,924 are the way to go. Properly synced Canopy needs no guardband. Properly synced ePMP needs 5mhz guardband. Unsynced anything technically needs guardband=2*channelwidth. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels would assume that would be doable, but that leaves no guard bands at all. we run 906,915,924 and tell everyone else to do so as well... - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels I have always assumed the standard channels are 906, 915 and 924. But I keep getting competitors going on 906 and 922. I understand they are probably trying to avoid high power licensed stuff like paging around 930. But if I go on 915, I find it overlaps with 922 and bad juju ensues. Especially when this is a newcomer and they have no subs yet and don't match your timing and don't care because ... they don't have subs yet and aren't suffering the effects of the interference. I have found that a hot interferer on 922 will pretty much blow you off the air if you try to use 915, unless the timing parameters match, even though that's only 1 MHz of overlap. So are the default channels actually 906, 914 and 922 in the real world?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan
Oh, I miss the days when I had smartBridges backhauls and they couldn’t display all the SSIDs they saw, they’d pick up the hotspot at a Flying J 50 miles away. You get 100 feet off the ground and you see everybody’s Linksys for miles around. I guess if you’re in a 10 MHz channel it would narrow the list quite a bit, maybe try setting the radios for a narrow channel, align them, then go to the channel width you really want. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan Wireless, Monitor should show you that. Tools, eDetect will show you the signal strength of anything on the channel by MAC only. Might help you get close… ePMP MACs start with 00:04. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Wireless Scan Is there any way for an ePMP radio to scan the air and tell you what SSIDs it sees? I'm trying to align two backhauls that when pointed roughly the same direction... can't see each other. I don't want to just move it slightly and wait for the web interface to show it connected... or not. I want to run a scan, see it complete and tell me what it found. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Cambium Networks and Shellshock (CVE-2014-6271
All, Cambium has posted a statement on Shellshock vulnerability on our support website at http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/shellshock ; and copied below. Scott Cambium Networks Devices Are Not Vulnerable to Shellshock (CVE-2014-6271http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-6271) Since news of the virus called Shellshock brokehttp://www.cnet.com/news/bigger-than-heartbleed-bash-bug-could-leave-it-systems-shellshocked/, customers have asked if our products are secure. Our products are not vulnerable to this latest attack on Linux platforms, which takes advantage of a security flaw in bash, a specific command-line shell that we do not use: PLATFORM STATUS ePMP 1000 not impacted PTP 250 not impacted PTP 450 not impacted PTP 500 not impacted PTP 600 not impacted PTP 650 not impacted PTP 800 not impacted PMP 100 not impacted PMP 2xxnot impacted PMP 320 not impacted PMP 4xxnot impacted CMM not impacted C3VoIP not impacted Our network managing toolshttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/management-tools, CNS, WM, CNUT, BAM and Prizm, are also not vulnerable and do not include an OS; they run on customers' operating systems. Customers are advised to patch their operating systems if they believe them to be susceptible after administering this diagnostic test from Red Hathttps://access.redhat.com/articles/1200223.
[AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels
I have several sites with KP 120's doing ABAB. A couple of the sites are pretty close to each other and it was necessary to have one site using 906 and 924 and the other on 910 and 920. Non-colocated 4MHz carrier offset doesn't always work, for example, one SM was seeing a 924 and a 920 sector on each site within 3dB, but we later found out that SM was out of alignment. Actually it was perfectly aimed between both sites because I think they were originally on a tower about 12 miles away in that direction and when we turned up the new sites, they just worked so nobody ever went out and aimed them properly. The other thing with the KP 120's is, while they are nice compact antennas with decent forward gain for the size, they don't have the greatest F/B ratio. So SM Tx power control is a must. Luckily all of the 900 radios can do it. Til-Tek sectors perform great, but there was no way in hell I'd ever be able to put four of them on say a 25G, too much load. When you're stuck with 900 as a last resort, you find ways to make things work, and it's usually never pretty considering the limited spectrum and horrible interference. On 9/29/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: OK, thanks. *From:* Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 10:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels 906,915,924 are the way to go. Properly synced Canopy needs no guardband. Properly synced ePMP needs 5mhz guardband. Unsynced anything technically needs guardband=2*channelwidth. *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller via Af *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels would assume that would be doable, but that leaves no guard bands at all. we run 906,915,924 and tell everyone else to do so as well... - Original Message - *From:*Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:18 PM *Subject:*[AFMUG] standard 900 MHz Canopy channels I have always assumed the standard channels are 906, 915 and 924. But I keep getting competitors going on 906 and 922. I understand they are probably trying to avoid high power licensed stuff like paging around 930. But if I go on 915, I find it overlaps with 922 and bad juju ensues. Especially when this is a newcomer and they have no subs yet and don't match your timing and don't care because ... they don't have subs yet and aren't suffering the effects of the interference. I have found that a hot interferer on 922 will pretty much blow you off the air if you try to use 915, unless the timing parameters match, even though that's only 1 MHz of overlap. So are the default channels actually 906, 914 and 922 in the real world?
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
You must have a carrier that doesn't zero the DSCP field. I both like and hate that at the same time. On 9/29/2014 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
Me too. On the one hand, VoIP from Ring Central and some others comes through with an appropriate DSCP tag. On the other hand, so do iOS updates for some reason. On 9/29/2014 12:24 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: You must have a carrier that doesn't zero the DSCP field. I both like and hate that at the same time. On 9/29/2014 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
I assumed most upstreams cleared the DSCP tags for transit traffic across their networks. Apparently that was an incorrect assumption. It sure opens up the potential for apps, malware, and pesky customers to abuse it. Cool, I can tag all my traffic high priority! -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding? Me too. On the one hand, VoIP from Ring Central and some others comes through with an appropriate DSCP tag. On the other hand, so do iOS updates for some reason. On 9/29/2014 12:24 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: You must have a carrier that doesn't zero the DSCP field. I both like and hate that at the same time. On 9/29/2014 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
Because everything that Apple does is oh so important. bp On 9/29/2014 9:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
[AFMUG] What is Stuck VC, and is there anything I can do about it?
Customer's SM went off line for almost two hours, and my only clue (besides it appearing off line from my end too) was this in the log file on the SM: 09/26/2014 : 09:50:06 PDT : :Timezone set to PDT 09/28/2014 : 13:44:26 PDT : :Stuck VC cleared (VC38) 09/28/2014 : 13:48:24 PDT : :XO trim at min diff=-1498 c=7 cmove=-9 f=7785 fmove=-148 This is a PMP450 (5 GHz) on firmware 12.2.2. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack
Oh, and you mentioned a BlueQuartz server. Looks like there are options, including: http://www.blueonyx.it/, which seems to include migrating from BlueQuartz. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless appliance at a remote site. I’m guessing that creating another user with a different shell like csh or ksh might offer a failsafe. I would have to see what other shells are available on the device. So this is a Tyan kiosk type server with BlueQuartz installed, long ago defunct. Nuonce was maintaining repositories but stopped a long time ago. Other people are going to face similar situations. Not every server is built from scratch loading the OS and then the applications. Sometimes you use an all-in-one install disk, like CactiEZ or some of the Asterisk/FreePBX distributions. I’m evaluating the PBX appliances from Grandstream, clearly they run Asterisk and probably Linux under the hood, but you can’t even get to the command line, so any software updates would have to be from the web GUI with updates from Grandstream. So I’m thinking if that’s a problem, being totally dependent on the vendor, I guess stuff like routers are the same. But you can’t just go and do a yum update on everything that has Linux inside, or recompile the source code with the patch and install it yourself, even assuming you feel comfortable doing that. From: Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Quite honestly, who cares? There’s zero downside to closing the security hole. Hopefully you’re closing all your other security holes too, especially for things like DNS or NTP that are almost public facing by default. Why not close this one at the same time? What happens in six months when you, or somebody, stick another service on that machine? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Why? Take the case of a dedicated server that only does let’s say DHCP or DNS or NTP. It only has one port open to the Internet, and there’s no way to get to a bash shell via that port. How the hell is someone going to pass an environment variable to a bash shell on that server? From: Shayne Lebrun via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Ø I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. Please don’t think like this. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack So maybe I won’t do that. The newer servers where I could just do a yum update have been straightforward, as you’d expect. I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. From: Jeremy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Our webserver was vulnerable. Tried to fix it without backing it up firstyeah, I know. Lost it all. So I guess I will be building a new website from my 2013 backup this weekend. It's a good thing I carpet bombed my website to prevent anyone from messing with it! On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof
Re: [AFMUG] What is Stuck VC, and is there anything I can do about it?
Used to be an issue in 900 mhz sms i actually helped discover ; a stuck VC was a stuck virtual channel that would cause an SM to remain offline until the SM was rebooted. They added code in at some point to check for that and clear the stuck vc so the SM didn't have to be rebooted anymore. In our case, i think, it was control slot related (or at least increasing the control slots helped to slow the problem down until they added code to check for it). I'm sure someone from Cambium can give you a more technical explanation :) - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af To: Motorola III Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: [AFMUG] What is Stuck VC, and is there anything I can do about it? Customer's SM went off line for almost two hours, and my only clue (besides it appearing off line from my end too) was this in the log file on the SM: 09/26/2014 : 09:50:06 PDT : :Timezone set to PDT 09/28/2014 : 13:44:26 PDT : :Stuck VC cleared (VC38) 09/28/2014 : 13:48:24 PDT : :XO trim at min diff=-1498 c=7 cmove=-9 f=7785 fmove=-148 This is a PMP450 (5 GHz) on firmware 12.2.2. -- bp
[AFMUG] Pipe clamps and tower mount suppliers
Hey guys, We are looking for a reasonably priced source for pipe to pipe clamps and other hardware to attach our mounts to towers and railings on grain legs, etc. We are looking to strengthen our future tower builds and move up from our more amateur way of attaching pipes to our tower structures. What suppliers do you recommend for mounting gear and what kind of standoffs are you using the most for different types of mounting surfaces (tower leg, railings on grain legs, etc.)? Do you find any local suppliers have them to save on shipping costs and if so, what kind of suppliers should we be looking for? Thank you -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack
Only time I have had issues with yum update is when there are third party repositories. On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You're right, yum updates are probably a problem for those pesky RedHat/Centos distros. Move to debian :P Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/28/2014 05:55 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless appliance at a remote site. I’m guessing that creating another user with a different shell like csh or ksh might offer a failsafe. I would have to see what other shells are available on the device. So this is a Tyan kiosk type server with BlueQuartz installed, long ago defunct. Nuonce was maintaining repositories but stopped a long time ago. Other people are going to face similar situations. Not every server is built from scratch loading the OS and then the applications. Sometimes you use an all-in-one install disk, like CactiEZ or some of the Asterisk/FreePBX distributions. I’m evaluating the PBX appliances from Grandstream, clearly they run Asterisk and probably Linux under the hood, but you can’t even get to the command line, so any software updates would have to be from the web GUI with updates from Grandstream. So I’m thinking if that’s a problem, being totally dependent on the vendor, I guess stuff like routers are the same. But you can’t just go and do a yum update on everything that has Linux inside, or recompile the source code with the patch and install it yourself, even assuming you feel comfortable doing that. From: Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Quite honestly, who cares? There’s zero downside to closing the security hole. Hopefully you’re closing all your other security holes too, especially for things like DNS or NTP that are almost public facing by default. Why not close this one at the same time? What happens in six months when you, or somebody, stick another service on that machine? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Why? Take the case of a dedicated server that only does let’s say DHCP or DNS or NTP. It only has one port open to the Internet, and there’s no way to get to a bash shell via that port. How the hell is someone going to pass an environment variable to a bash shell on that server? From: Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables codeinjection attack Ø I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. Please don’t think like this. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack So maybe I won’t do that. The newer servers where I could just do a yum update have been straightforward, as you’d expect. I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Our webserver was vulnerable. Tried to fix it without backing it up firstyeah, I know. Lost it all. So I guess I will be building a new website from my 2013 backup this weekend. It's a good thing I carpet bombed my website to prevent anyone from messing with it! On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately I have a couple old servers
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack
TBH there is one thing I love most about a CentOS distro over Windows. IPTables. Windows firewall is pretty lame in comparison, with open ports you will “possibly” use. At least IP tables initially comes with a “block all” setup and you just go in and poke the tiny holes you need. Obviously a security-conscious person is going to shutdown system services you don’t need, but for the initial setup IPtables is pretty badass (and far more simple). @Ken, I am in the same boat as you. We applied updates Thursday and again Friday for bash on our CentOS 5/6 boxes. So far so good though, I’ve been monitoring the logs of our boxes running httpd and so far nothing out of the ordinary has appeared. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Originally, I responded to this: Ø “I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. And asked you not to think about security in those terms. Don’t assume you understand all the possible attack vectors, don’t assume that because certain other things need to happen, you’re invulnerable, etc etc. When you get right down to it, though, UNIX really wants to land you at a shell, and bash is the default shell in a lot of places. You’re certainly listed a whole bunch of issues in the software world at large, dedicated applicances, etc etc and I certainly sympathize with a lot of the issues you’ve raised. Of course, the slightly less empathetic sysadmin in me says ‘too bad; you put public-facing server on the Internet, you have an obligation, and a responsibility to maintain it properly.’ I argue in my head with him A LOT. Yes, absolutely, you can mitigate the issues you raised in your last email to a very reasonable degree with proper firewalling, internal processes, etc etc. And it sounds like you’re cognizant of the need to do that, so that’s great too. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless appliance at a remote site. I’m guessing that creating another user with a different shell like csh or ksh might offer a failsafe. I would have to see what other shells are available on the device. So this is a Tyan kiosk type server with BlueQuartz installed, long ago defunct. Nuonce was maintaining repositories but stopped a long time ago. Other people are going to face similar situations. Not every server is built from scratch loading the OS and then the applications. Sometimes you use an all-in-one install disk, like CactiEZ or some of the Asterisk/FreePBX distributions. I’m evaluating the PBX appliances from Grandstream, clearly they run Asterisk and probably Linux under the hood, but you can’t even get to the command line, so any software updates would have to be from the web GUI with updates from Grandstream. So I’m thinking if that’s a problem, being totally dependent on the vendor, I guess stuff like routers are the same. But you can’t just go and do a yum update on everything that has Linux inside, or recompile the source code with the patch and install it yourself, even assuming you feel comfortable doing that. From: Shayne Lebrun via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Quite honestly, who cares? There’s zero downside to closing the security hole. Hopefully you’re closing all your other security holes too, especially for things like DNS or NTP that are almost public facing by default. Why not close this one at the same time? What happens in six months when you, or somebody, stick another service on that machine? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:38 AM
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe clamps and tower mount suppliers
Wireless Beehive Tower Mounts will fit 90% of your needs. Most major WISP suppliers carry them. http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?CID=3 Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/29/2014 10:31 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, We are looking for a reasonably priced source for pipe to pipe clamps and other hardware to attach our mounts to towers and railings on grain legs, etc. We are looking to strengthen our future tower builds and move up from our more amateur way of attaching pipes to our tower structures. What suppliers do you recommend for mounting gear and what kind of standoffs are you using the most for different types of mounting surfaces (tower leg, railings on grain legs, etc.)? Do you find any local suppliers have them to save on shipping costs and if so, what kind of suppliers should we be looking for? Thank you -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe clamps and tower mount suppliers
get your pipes from local plumbing shop, much cheaper than distributors we found. I realised you can do this when site pro forgot to wipe off the printing on the pipe and it was the same thing the plumber carried. we use UPC-1 to do standoffs on all 4 corners of grain legs, the 90 degree angle iron theyre usually made of fits in the notch to stabilize it and we put a 40ish inch pipe inside to give something to bite too. We put 7' pipes on the stand offs. This gives us a mount for a sector on top ahd a backhaul on bottom on each corner. I dont think I would put more than a 2' backhaul on each though without a stabilizer On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey guys, We are looking for a reasonably priced source for pipe to pipe clamps and other hardware to attach our mounts to towers and railings on grain legs, etc. We are looking to strengthen our future tower builds and move up from our more amateur way of attaching pipes to our tower structures. What suppliers do you recommend for mounting gear and what kind of standoffs are you using the most for different types of mounting surfaces (tower leg, railings on grain legs, etc.)? Do you find any local suppliers have them to save on shipping costs and if so, what kind of suppliers should we be looking for? Thank you -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe clamps and tower mount suppliers
On 9/29/14, 10:41, That One Guy via Af wrote: get your pipes from local plumbing shop, much cheaper than distributors we found. I realised you can do this when site pro forgot to wipe off the printing on the pipe and it was the same thing the plumber carried. Or fence supply shop. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 477 filing - delayed?
And still down. Patrick Wheeland via Af wrote: I have one last form to submit and it's still down. :-/ On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The Form 477 filing interface is temporarily unavailable. We have identified an issue that developed on September 25, 2014 and are working to fix the problem and reopen the site as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience https://apps2.fcc.gov/ -- http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 tel:435-674-0165%20x%202010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com mailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] iOS update = Expedited Forwarding?
side-note: You should be stripping incoming DSCP tags at each of your WAN feeds. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/29/2014 08:11 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Has anyone else noticed that lots of traffic from Apple 17.0.0.0/8 has DSCP 46 set? Canopy users with iPhones may find that the update is interfering with their regular internet usage unless you take measures to de-prioritize that.
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe clamps and tower mount suppliers
We get them from a local fence supply. They stock most gauges, all galvanized, and in lengths up to 22 or 24 feet. bp On 9/29/2014 10:43 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 9/29/14, 10:41, That One Guy via Af wrote: get your pipes from local plumbing shop, much cheaper than distributors we found. I realised you can do this when site pro forgot to wipe off the printing on the pipe and it was the same thing the plumber carried. Or fence supply shop. ~Seth
[AFMUG] gige apc for all
the application sheet shows gigeapc hv for everything now even the 320 ap, is there any major reason not to use these across the board son the numskulls dont have to look at the application chart to swap a card? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all
Maybe if you like the red and green LEDs? I have to admit they’re useful. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gige apc for all the application sheet shows gigeapc hv for everything now even the 320 ap, is there any major reason not to use these across the board son the numskulls dont have to look at the application chart to swap a card? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all
Right. Load and current LEDs are the only things you get from the others. And they are restricted to specific POE configurations. I highly recommend GigE SS HV /APC for everything. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all Maybe if you like the red and green LEDs? I have to admit they’re useful. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gige apc for all the application sheet shows gigeapc hv for everything now even the 320 ap, is there any major reason not to use these across the board son the numskulls dont have to look at the application chart to swap a card? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all
Yeah, I wish the GigeAPCs had the red/green LEDs, too. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe if you like the red and green LEDs? I have to admit they’re useful. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] gige apc for all the application sheet shows gigeapc hv for everything now even the 320 ap, is there any major reason not to use these across the board son the numskulls dont have to look at the application chart to swap a card? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] SiteMonitor: Loss of sync
One of our many locations where we're using a Packetflux sync pipe/injector seems to be losing satellite lock once every few days. Typically it loses it for 2 to 4 seconds, but I've seen at least once where it went 13 seconds. I've not been able to get useful information from the SiteMonitor because the satellites tracked/Visible OIDs are returning a string with Sats in View and Num Sats Used instead of the actual values. (is that a bug or what? This is on F/W Jul 29 2012). However, I'm getting messages like this in the AP logs: 09/21/2014 : 07:49:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/21/2014 : 07:49:04 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:37 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:41 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:55 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:59 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:15 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:28 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:18 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. Not sure what I might do here. This is with all the equipment up against a concrete wall, so there is only a 180 degree view of the sky. Maybe a little bit less than that because the wall is not flat, maybe about 170 degree view of the sky. The APs are PMP450, and rarely get a GPS lock on the internal GPS. Maybe I can try moving the sync pipe away from the wall or something. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all
Everybody seems to have their own ideas on POE wiring. Hard to pick the DC off of GigE POE without using a transformer, and that drives the cost up. Non transformer methods will interfere with the data a bit. From: Josh Baird via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gige apc for all Yeah, I wish the GigeAPCs had the red/green LEDs, too. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe if you like the red and green LEDs? I have to admit they’re useful. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] gige apc for all the application sheet shows gigeapc hv for everything now even the 320 ap, is there any major reason not to use these across the board son the numskulls dont have to look at the application chart to swap a card? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack
FWIW, there is a *new* bash CVE out today. Time to upgrade again :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/29/2014 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Scary, looking at my bookshelf I see boxes for RHL 8.0 and RHEL 2, 3 and 4. RHEL 4 came out in 2005 and went on extended support in 2012. Needless to say, I’m not paying for an extended support contract. So this is ancient stuff. But you’re not exactly going to build a new server for legacy customers of a service you stopped offering 5 years ago. At some point you move them to a reseller service, or just tell them it’s time to move on. The newer CentOS distributions have I think about 10 years of updates, that’s the main difference for RHEL and CentOS from other Linux distributions, they tend to have longer life cycles since they are aimed at enterprise. The downside is they are typically several steps back from the latest versions of packages. For example, don’t try using the version of BIND that comes with even the newest distribution. It’s like Windows, you still find a lot of Win7 in the enterprise market, Microsoft pretty much had to force them off XP. *From:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 12:33 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack TBH there is one thing I love most about a CentOS distro over Windows. IPTables. Windows firewall is pretty lame in comparison, with open ports you will “possibly” use. At least IP tables initially comes with a “block all” setup and you just go in and poke the tiny holes you need. Obviously a security-conscious person is going to shutdown system services you don’t need, but for the initial setup IPtables is pretty badass (and far more simple). @Ken, I am in the same boat as you. We applied updates Thursday and again Friday for bash on our CentOS 5/6 boxes. So far so good though, I’ve been monitoring the logs of our boxes running httpd and so far nothing out of the ordinary has appeared. -Tim *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 4:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Originally, I responded to this: Ø“I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. And asked you not to think about security in those terms. Don’t assume you understand all the possible attack vectors, don’t assume that because certain other things need to happen, you’re invulnerable, etc etc. When you get right down to it, though, UNIX really wants to land you at a shell, and bash is the default shell in a lot of places. You’re certainly listed a whole bunch of issues in the software world at large, dedicated applicances, etc etc and I certainly sympathize with a lot of the issues you’ve raised. Of course, the slightly less empathetic sysadmin in me says ‘too bad; you put public-facing server on the Internet, you have an obligation, and a responsibility to maintain it properly.’ I argue in my head with him A LOT. Yes, absolutely, you can mitigate the issues you raised in your last email to a very reasonable degree with proper firewalling, internal processes, etc etc. And it sounds like you’re cognizant of the need to do that, so that’s great too. *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless appliance at a remote site. I’m guessing that creating another user with a different shell like csh or ksh might offer a failsafe. I would have to see what other shells are available on the device. So this is a Tyan kiosk type server with BlueQuartz installed, long ago defunct. Nuonce was maintaining repositories but stopped a long time ago. Other people are going to face similar
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack
Supposedly bash has been vulnerable since around 1992. That’s 22 years. You want to tell me no one, absolutely no one (not even the NSA) has found and exploited this previously? And not shared it publicly? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack FWIW, there is a *new* bash CVE out today. Time to upgrade again :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/29/2014 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Scary, looking at my bookshelf I see boxes for RHL 8.0 and RHEL 2, 3 and 4. RHEL 4 came out in 2005 and went on extended support in 2012. Needless to say, I’m not paying for an extended support contract. So this is ancient stuff. But you’re not exactly going to build a new server for legacy customers of a service you stopped offering 5 years ago. At some point you move them to a reseller service, or just tell them it’s time to move on. The newer CentOS distributions have I think about 10 years of updates, that’s the main difference for RHEL and CentOS from other Linux distributions, they tend to have longer life cycles since they are aimed at enterprise. The downside is they are typically several steps back from the latest versions of packages. For example, don’t try using the version of BIND that comes with even the newest distribution. It’s like Windows, you still find a lot of Win7 in the enterprise market, Microsoft pretty much had to force them off XP. From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack TBH there is one thing I love most about a CentOS distro over Windows. IPTables. Windows firewall is pretty lame in comparison, with open ports you will “possibly” use. At least IP tables initially comes with a “block all” setup and you just go in and poke the tiny holes you need. Obviously a security-conscious person is going to shutdown system services you don’t need, but for the initial setup IPtables is pretty badass (and far more simple). @Ken, I am in the same boat as you. We applied updates Thursday and again Friday for bash on our CentOS 5/6 boxes. So far so good though, I’ve been monitoring the logs of our boxes running httpd and so far nothing out of the ordinary has appeared. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Originally, I responded to this: Ø “I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. And asked you not to think about security in those terms. Don’t assume you understand all the possible attack vectors, don’t assume that because certain other things need to happen, you’re invulnerable, etc etc. When you get right down to it, though, UNIX really wants to land you at a shell, and bash is the default shell in a lot of places. You’re certainly listed a whole bunch of issues in the software world at large, dedicated applicances, etc etc and I certainly sympathize with a lot of the issues you’ve raised. Of course, the slightly less empathetic sysadmin in me says ‘too bad; you put public-facing server on the Internet, you have an obligation, and a responsibility to maintain it properly.’ I argue in my head with him A LOT. Yes, absolutely, you can mitigate the issues you raised in your last email to a very reasonable degree with proper firewalling, internal processes, etc etc. And it sounds like you’re cognizant of the need to do that, so that’s great too. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack You are preaching rather than listening. What if it is an appliance with a distribution that is frozen in time on CentOS4 with no updates. Note that RHEL4 updates are only available via paid extended support, and CentOS4 is EOL. Doing a yum update on a CentOS4 box won’t get you anywhere, and I don’t believe RHEL4 even used yum, it used Redhat Network to get RPMs. All my new stuff on CentOS5 and 6 has been updated. What I was asking for an opinion on was whether the RPM that Oracle made available was likely to work, or to brick the box. Keep in mind that bricking your command shell could be difficult to recover from, especially on a headless
Re: [AFMUG] 477 filing - delayed?
*http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/form-477-resources-filers * The deadline for the submission of data as of June 30, 2014 has been extended https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1409A1.pdf beyond October 1. Once the site reopens, we will announce the new filing deadline. *If I'm ever late on my 477, do you think they'll accept temporarily unavailable due to technical issues from me? * On 9/29/2014 11:45 AM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: And still down. Patrick Wheeland via Af wrote: I have one last form to submit and it's still down. :-/ On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The Form 477 filing interface is temporarily unavailable. We have identified an issue that developed on September 25, 2014 and are working to fix the problem and reopen the site as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience https://apps2.fcc.gov/ -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 tel:435-674-0165%20x%202010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com mailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack
If you’re a bad guy, and you found it, you wouldn’t advertise it. If you’re a good guy, well, somebody found it by poking at it. But yes, it’s 22 years old. There’s a 25 year old X11 bug that came out a few months back. The Heartbleed bug had been there a while, too, and was, in part, due to legacy cruft, IIRC. Many eyes don’t make for shallow bugs. Many *motivated* eyes make for shallow bugs. Microsoft has their SDL wherein they look for this sort of thing, because they’ve been spanked. OSS just assumes that somebody will get bored and find it, yes. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack Supposedly bash has been vulnerable since around 1992. That’s 22 years. You want to tell me no one, absolutely no one (not even the NSA) has found and exploited this previously? And not shared it publicly? From: Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack FWIW, there is a *new* bash CVE out today. Time to upgrade again :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/29/2014 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Scary, looking at my bookshelf I see boxes for RHL 8.0 and RHEL 2, 3 and 4. RHEL 4 came out in 2005 and went on extended support in 2012. Needless to say, I’m not paying for an extended support contract. So this is ancient stuff. But you’re not exactly going to build a new server for legacy customers of a service you stopped offering 5 years ago. At some point you move them to a reseller service, or just tell them it’s time to move on. The newer CentOS distributions have I think about 10 years of updates, that’s the main difference for RHEL and CentOS from other Linux distributions, they tend to have longer life cycles since they are aimed at enterprise. The downside is they are typically several steps back from the latest versions of packages. For example, don’t try using the version of BIND that comes with even the newest distribution. It’s like Windows, you still find a lot of Win7 in the enterprise market, Microsoft pretty much had to force them off XP. From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-craftedenvironment variablescodeinjection attack TBH there is one thing I love most about a CentOS distro over Windows. IPTables. Windows firewall is pretty lame in comparison, with open ports you will “possibly” use. At least IP tables initially comes with a “block all” setup and you just go in and poke the tiny holes you need. Obviously a security-conscious person is going to shutdown system services you don’t need, but for the initial setup IPtables is pretty badass (and far more simple). @Ken, I am in the same boat as you. We applied updates Thursday and again Friday for bash on our CentOS 5/6 boxes. So far so good though, I’ve been monitoring the logs of our boxes running httpd and so far nothing out of the ordinary has appeared. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variablescodeinjection attack Originally, I responded to this: Ø “I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. And asked you not to think about security in those terms. Don’t assume you understand all the possible attack vectors, don’t assume that because certain other things need to happen, you’re invulnerable, etc etc. When you get right down to it, though, UNIX really wants to land you at a shell, and bash is the default shell in a lot of places. You’re certainly listed a whole bunch of issues in the software world at large, dedicated applicances, etc etc and I certainly sympathize with a lot of the issues you’ve raised. Of course, the slightly less empathetic sysadmin in me says ‘too bad; you put public-facing server on the Internet, you have an obligation, and a responsibility to maintain it properly.’ I argue in my head with him A LOT. Yes, absolutely, you can mitigate the issues you raised in your last email to a very reasonable degree with proper firewalling, internal processes, etc etc. And it sounds like you’re cognizant of the need to do that, so that’s great too. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+slebrun=muskoka@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, September 28,
[AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to change blown supressors.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
That is why we haven't used surge protection for tower-top switches. If I were using more expensive switches up there I might reconsider. -Ty On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to change blown supressors.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
We use Cisco 2955T and a fiber converter. We don't use surge suppression, but we also ground the shielding as it enters the metal box (don't use plastic up top). Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor: Loss of sync
A little out of order: On the OID's .. you may have the wrong OID. There is an oid for the title strings, and an oid for the value. You may want to check the oid you are using. In addition, on the strings tab, there *are* strings which list the specific statellite and signal strength of all of the sats it is receiving a signal from. One more troubleshooting item is the 'pulse received' counter on the analog tab. It should increment once and exactly once per second. I've had good luck comparing this value over a specific time. I.E. at exactly 10 minutes, there should be exactly 600 more pulses. As far as fixing it: I'd move the syncpipe, then try a different one. If a second does the same thing, then we need to look at what else might be causing it. If you want to send in screenshots to cust...@packetflux.com of the boolean/analog/string tabs from the sitemonitor, I might be able to see something. -forrest On Sep 29, 2014 1:40 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of our many locations where we're using a Packetflux sync pipe/injector seems to be losing satellite lock once every few days. Typically it loses it for 2 to 4 seconds, but I've seen at least once where it went 13 seconds. I've not been able to get useful information from the SiteMonitor because the satellites tracked/Visible OIDs are returning a string with Sats in View and Num Sats Used instead of the actual values. (is that a bug or what? This is on F/W Jul 29 2012). However, I'm getting messages like this in the AP logs: 09/21/2014 : 07:49:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/21/2014 : 07:49:04 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:37 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:41 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:55 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:59 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:15 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:28 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:18 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. Not sure what I might do here. This is with all the equipment up against a concrete wall, so there is only a 180 degree view of the sky. Maybe a little bit less than that because the wall is not flat, maybe about 170 degree view of the sky. The APs are PMP450, and rarely get a GPS lock on the internal GPS. Maybe I can try moving the sync pipe away from the wall or something. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
The 450 is PoE compliant how? On 9/29/2014 3:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
Ohhh. Yeah... Or perhaps just a subscription service. You buy blocks of spikes. When it is used up the surge suppressor goes into a failure mode. Send the unit back to me to get reloaded with fresh spike protection. $10 shipping and handling. 3 cents per spike protection, purchased in blocks of 1000. From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question If you don’t have a surge suppressor then you need a tower climber to change the switch. Either way, a climb is required. Remember surge suppressors are not like fuses. In the sense that they don’t “blow” with every suppression event. They can shunt some spikes to ground, save the switch port, and live to fight another day. If they do give their lives to save the switch then you need a climb. But would have likely have needed that climb anyway to replace that switch or change ports. So suppressors at the top will reduce the number of climbs although you will never know how many times the surge suppressor saved you. Maybe Chuck should put a strike counter circuit in the suppressor and change to a subscription model. You have to pay for each strike that he saved you from. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to change blown supressors.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] Powering a PTP250
Is there an easy way to power up (and run) a PTP250 other than the built in power supply ? I don't mind getting creative if need be. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Harris employee. Fired now Jaime Solorza On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
considering they found him underneath a table with a knife in hand actively trying to cut his own throat, i think being fired is the least of that guy's problems right now. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Harris employee. Fired now Jaime Solorza On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14. ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
Industrial switch is a good option Jaime Solorza On Sep 29, 2014 3:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was thinking more in the lines of putting a ctm1 on top with the SW, the remote resettable surge suppressors of the CTM would save lots of downtime and climbs Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Organization: Blaze Broadband Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question If you don’t have a surge suppressor then you need a tower climber to change the switch. Either way, a climb is required. Remember surge suppressors are not like fuses. In the sense that they don’t “blow” with every suppression event. They can shunt some spikes to ground, save the switch port, and live to fight another day. If they do give their lives to save the switch then you need a climb. But would have likely have needed that climb anyway to replace that switch or change ports. So suppressors at the top will reduce the number of climbs although you will never know how many times the surge suppressor saved you. Maybe Chuck should put a strike counter circuit in the suppressor and change to a subscription model. You have to pay for each strike that he saved you from. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 4:16 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to change blown supressors.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14. ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question
SSaaS: Surge Supression as a Service. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question If you don't have a surge suppressor then you need a tower climber to change the switch. Either way, a climb is required. Remember surge suppressors are not like fuses. In the sense that they don't blow with every suppression event. They can shunt some spikes to ground, save the switch port, and live to fight another day. If they do give their lives to save the switch then you need a climb. But would have likely have needed that climb anyway to replace that switch or change ports. So suppressors at the top will reduce the number of climbs although you will never know how many times the surge suppressor saved you. Maybe Chuck should put a strike counter circuit in the suppressor and change to a subscription model. You have to pay for each strike that he saved you from. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question That was my first thought, but then it requieres a tower climb to change blown supressors.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question We do the Beehive APC surges. Gerard On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you using for the Ethernet ports? Are you using surge suppressors? I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant) Should I go straigt to the radios? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors
I am having serious tower envy right now. Your coverage potential is astounding! Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/29/2014 12:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: i thought y'all might enjoy some pics from one of our towers.
Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors
That's what I was thinking. Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: I am having serious tower envy right now. Your coverage potential is astounding! Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/29/2014 12:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: i thought y'all might enjoy some pics from one of our towers.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
+1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: blockquote Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO . ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD , PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline. /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors
Thank you. Very nice Jaime Solorza On Sep 29, 2014 1:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: i thought y'all might enjoy some pics from one of our towers.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: blockquote im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: blockquote Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO . ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD , PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline. /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior senator. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: blockquote im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: blockquote Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO . ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD , PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline. /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Well, if that's the case, then it was a troll of a troll :-) On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior senator. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide
Re: [AFMUG] Powering a PTP250
I believe that the PTP250 is 802.3af. In places where we have 24VDC plant, we have used a Tycon TP-DCDC-2448GD-HP. They make other versions/voltages depending on what you need. bp On 9/29/2014 2:15 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Is there an easy way to power up (and run) a PTP250 other than the built in power supply ? I don't mind getting creative if need be. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
count me in for one trolling please Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/29/2014 05:02 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: i want in on the trolling On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Well, if that's the case, then it was a troll of a troll :-) On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior senator. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Yay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 8:20 PM Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Just reply to the authentication request... that's all From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder... Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in... indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet's behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far... no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that's life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to munge the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon's strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is right etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that debate. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven't overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
If you want it to, just find a rock and hit your leg with it. Problem solved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 8:40:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: blockquote Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered
Only if you’re doing it right ! ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered will my leg hurt when its over On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Of course, your mail client, SPAM filter, may put the request in a folder… Gmail seems to pick some random other folder to put the request in… indiscriminately From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG list option being considered What will we need to do? Unsubscribe/resubscribe or just reply to the authentication(s)? bp On 9/29/2014 6:20 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Guys, As some of you are aware, PDMNet’s behind the scenes management of the AFMUG list as a service to Chuck McCown and his companies, involves hosting on an Amazon server. Some very good things have come from that decision so far… no mail delivery issues (no server issues, no blacklisting or greylisting issues etc. to our knowledge). The EC2 / SES platform is very robust, though overly complex at first blush. A lot more time went to getting this setup that we anticipated, but that’s life. It costs a little more to use this platform, (I know.. I know) but long term, I think we will be happy with it. One of the differences is the way the headers are handled. Out of the box, Amazon required us to “munge” the headers in such a way that we could customize them to meet Amazon’s strict mass-emailing rules. This causes some differences in the way the mail is delivered, causing a few of you who use a different type of threading than most of us, some grief. We are way PAST the discussion about what is “right” etc. Respectfully, lets move on from that “debate”. The only way that Amazon provides to do things in a more conventional email header fashion is to use their API. We knew this was an option when we brought the list live, but also anticipated a bit of a learning curve. And, indeed it was! We have gotten comfortable with the API and have been running it on our test Mailman list internally. Basically the API allows us / requires us to process each AFMUG subscriber as an authenticated / confirmed email address. S…. In order to use the API, we need to authenticate all the current users of the list. We can send a batch through the API to generate the confirmation email to everyone, but before I did it, I wanted to give you a heads up. NEW subscribers will first join the mailman AFMUG group and once confirmed, will then get an Amazon confirmation immediately thereafter. Unsubscribing will also remove you from an authenticated user for the list. Assuming that we haven’t overlooked something (and, I am sure you guys will let me know that, LOL ) I would like to give a 48 hour notice that we will make the change, and you will get the Amazon email after that window. All in favor ? All opposed? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14. ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
I don't disagree about politicians, but that is more of a general thing and isn't specific to Durbin. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters
Re: [AFMUG] Fall colors
Nice view of town, what are the big lumpy things on the far side of town? Sincerely, Chris from pancake-flat-land. On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's currently a dragonwave 18ghz that runs at about 350mbps but we are installing this week a new dual SAF integra link that'll run at 1gbps ;) On Monday, September 29, 2014, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That is a lot of AP's. What kind of backhaul? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah that tower is one of our busiest We have 23 APs there 6-450s 5-430s 12-fsk Around 700-800 clients :) Plus the views from the top are amazing! On Monday, September 29, 2014, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am having serious tower envy right now. Your coverage potential is astounding! Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/29/2014 12:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: i thought y'all might enjoy some pics from one of our towers.
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
.this. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZEROhttp://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14. ZAUhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covershttp://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYYhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKEhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFDhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway Internationalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare Internationalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
It would be much better if instead of payroll, all employers just kicked all revenue into the kitty and the government could hand it out based on each persons need On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: .this. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
If we push it'll happen. Won't be easy. We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO. ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY, MKE, RFD, PIA, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International and O'Hare International, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available,
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go to another site and probe it with a patch cable cut and a volt meter On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember it was on the manual, can't find it Need to ditch the pidu Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing the system works. We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for themselves with little to no oversight. Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political rabbit hole. Night everyone. - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you might convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If we push it'll happen. Won't be easy. We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away. On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you live under a bridge? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys? On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: im going with isis on this On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act. On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost
