Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
Was Dennis having a baby? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Be sure to shut your mic off if you're not on the air :) On 10/8/2014 1:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We just went though a great ISP Radio episode with Jeff Kohler from Jab Wireless on Acquisitions! Check out the download! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP It's all in how you manage the changes. Send a letter welcoming them to the family. Outline some of the steps you have taken to improve service, and that your company takes a very proactive approach to network monitoring, uptime, and performance. Let them know how to get customer support and how to contact your various departments. Taking these steps will increase retention, and sets the tone for what they can expect from their new provider. Additionally, describe the new plan options are and what plan they will be transferred to. If someone doesn't like their new plan, let them know what the upgrade options are. They can choose to upgrade or go somewhere else. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Take a page out of JABs handbook and just tell them to go ^%$ themselves if they dont like it On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is the majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've cleaned up a lot of self interference issues, a lot of them will likely work better than they did before with the all the self interference issues. You probably will get a few that are mad they can't get 10mbps on a speed test at 2am anymore though... -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another. The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller channels, etc... This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in to. Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced by tying it into my network. There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them. I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb. How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth. I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or limiting the CPE as I've always done. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
Yea! Is either that or he has pneumonia… please shut down you mic… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP Was Dennis having a baby? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Be sure to shut your mic off if you're not on the air :) On 10/8/2014 1:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We just went though a great ISP Radio episode with Jeff Kohler from Jab Wireless on Acquisitions! Check out the download! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:06 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP It's all in how you manage the changes. Send a letter welcoming them to the family. Outline some of the steps you have taken to improve service, and that your company takes a very proactive approach to network monitoring, uptime, and performance. Let them know how to get customer support and how to contact your various departments. Taking these steps will increase retention, and sets the tone for what they can expect from their new provider. Additionally, describe the new plan options are and what plan they will be transferred to. If someone doesn't like their new plan, let them know what the upgrade options are. They can choose to upgrade or go somewhere else. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Take a page out of JABs handbook and just tell them to go ^%$ themselves if they dont like it On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is the majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've cleaned up a lot of self interference issues, a lot of them will likely work better than they did before with the all the self interference issues. You probably will get a few that are mad they can't get 10mbps on a speed test at 2am anymore though... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another. The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller channels, etc... This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in to. Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced by tying it into my network. There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them. I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb. How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth. I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or limiting the CPE as I've always done. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- [cid:part8.05030103.05010809@infowest.com]http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010tel:435-674-0165%20x%202010 infowest.comhttp://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.commailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
[AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot. Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Logarithmic scale. This is small but not negative ... - GENIAS INTERNET -- http://www.genias.net www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: mailto:s...@genias.net s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2014 14:04 An: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Betreff: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Rightit sets the range of tx powers to keep you inside the legal EIRP based on the antenna gain setting. What is your external gain set to and what band? On 10/9/2014 7:03 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af wrote: Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* --
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
So much for separate management IP in this release. This leaves PPPoE users waiting for next release when? Steve B. _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: * 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support oMax number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz * SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) oSM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode * Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) oAbility to limit the number of broadcast packets per second * Multicast VLAN and Prioritization oMulticast VLAN support with prioritization oAbility to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups oSupport for IGMPv3 snooping * CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) * Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] New Radio in FCC Database
If you unseal the radio you let out the magic smoke… duh :-D It is the same radio as our current Integra radio. So single polarization utilizing a cross-pol technique. The widest channel you can use in that situation is 80MHz (there has to be a guard band between TX and RX)… and the only way to get wider is to do something similar to what Ubiquiti did. So 474Mbps Full Duplex plus header compression. We have another Integra-24GHz radio to get FCC certified as well… soon ;-) But it will be a variant of the radio we are announcing at WISPAPALOOZA next week. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Radio in FCC Database Tests say up to 60mhz, I guess 1024QAM so almost 500mbit each way. From the polarization label in back I guess it's single-polarized? As often done, internal photos are restricted from the public :-/ From the letter to the FCC: The device is sealed and disassembly would destroy the product. ...really? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Since Gino missed this yesterday: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=ExhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=474602fcc_id=W9Z-INTEGRA24 RequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=474602fcc_id=W9Z-INTEGRA24 Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Says, 35. Not changed. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot. Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Gotta be. External gain is over and above the 10db internal antenna. You're telling it you have a total of 45dbi of antenna gainSo I'm guessing you have 5.4ghz unit, which has a +30db legal EIRP limit.hence -15 as your max tax power. If you have a 35dbi dish, you set external gain to 25. IMO you're doing the right thing with the big antennayou're much better off getting to the EIRP limit with antenna gain than tx power because the antenna helps you in both directions. I would say that's wrong for a reflector? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Date: *Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc: *memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject: *[AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Yep, I corrected the ratio. Thanks Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Gotta be. External gain is over and above the 10db internal antenna. You're telling it you have a total of 45dbi of antenna gainSo I'm guessing you have 5.4ghz unit, which has a +30db legal EIRP limit.hence -15 as your max tax power. If you have a 35dbi dish, you set external gain to 25. IMO you're doing the right thing with the big antennayou're much better off getting to the EIRP limit with antenna gain than tx power because the antenna helps you in both directions. I would say that's wrong for a reflector? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot. Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8351 - Release Date: 10/08/14
Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
oh and if you are using a 27RD or equivalent, I think the correct external gain setting would be 15. Gotta be. External gain is over and above the 10db internal antenna. You're telling it you have a total of 45dbi of antenna gainSo I'm guessing you have 5.4ghz unit, which has a +30db legal EIRP limit.hence -15 as your max tax power. If you have a 35dbi dish, you set external gain to 25. IMO you're doing the right thing with the big antennayou're much better off getting to the EIRP limit with antenna gain than tx power because the antenna helps you in both directions. I would say that's wrong for a reflector? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Date: *Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc: *memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject: *[AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot... Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 --- -15 dBm ) *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Need to change that to actual gain Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ty Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net Reply-To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:45 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Says, 35. Not changed. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot… Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 — -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
Got it brother. See you in Vegas? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:09 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Need to change that to actual gain Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ty Inc t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net Reply-To: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:45 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Says, 35. Not changed. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot. Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
PC, Thanks for the detailed response. I like it and it shows you're thinking. My simple way of explaining the healthcare problem is that you can take something that is royally F!@KED up, add government and expect it to be cheaper and better. Steve _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else's premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can't have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican's hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican's want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway mailto:af@afmug.com via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn't take Obamacare. Fortunately I don't have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn't the fact that the federal government wasted a couple
Re: [AFMUG] packetflux save me
Sweet... I assume I will still have to make a circuit to convert this to a voltage? On 10/08/2014 04:04 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Non-invasive-Split-Core-Current-Transformer-AC-current-sensor-30A-SCT-013-030-/321424072757?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4ad65e2035 You can get these on Ebay all day long for about $7-$8
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration costs to get the results. It just doesn’t work that way. Insurance company profits are at an al- time high. TPA’s profits are at an all-time high. Glad I’m making decent money doing what I do … blessed and grateful Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Afmailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget that this whole obamacare thing was invented by the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the republicans tried to squash Hillarycare with it in the 1990's. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) 2cents Sean On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi... I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to save everyone money and provider better health care. We just received our group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by 10% starting 2015. On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( Travis
Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
Shireen shielded is all that we use on towers and installs. It has been awesome. I have no issues with it. The reel in the box works perfectly every time. However, you should duct tape the box closed as soon as you get it. The packing tape that holds it together from the factory doesn't hold up to hauling it around. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How so? Run a cable for 3 years and have a problem with two rolls at $xxx/roll. Cost savings over other stuff was what exactly over those 3 years had you used something different? You saw two bad rolls, no known problem with other installs, right? I don't know how big your company is, but just in doing some rough math it would take a hell of a lot of bad cable to replace the +/- $90,000 saved during that time. Are you working on something super-duper critical here? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 08:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: Cheapest I seen on that 1300a is $300/roll. Almost seems worth it after seeing this crap today... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Never seen a defect with Belden 1300A/7919A or the Best-Tronics clone of it. It ain’t cheap though. *From:* Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last year. Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket was missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back, today found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet. I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was being installed today Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] packetflux save me
Bridge rectifier, capacitor, resistor. Three components. Transformer leads go into the AC side of the rectifier. The DC side has the capacitor and resistor across it. I would use a 1K resistor and a 10uF aluminum electrolytic capacitor. Make sure the polarity of the capacitor matches the output of the rectifier. Then you have DC that is proportional to current. -Original Message- From: David via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] packetflux save me Sweet... I assume I will still have to make a circuit to convert this to a voltage? On 10/08/2014 04:04 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Non-invasive-Split-Core-Current-Transformer-AC-current-sensor-30A-SCT-013-030-/321424072757?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4ad65e2035 You can get these on Ebay all day long for about $7-$8
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?
hopefully Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ty Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net Reply-To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 9:21 AM To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org, af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Got it brother. See you in Vegas? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: members-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:09 AM To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Need to change that to actual gain Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ty Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net Reply-To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:45 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Says, 35. Not changed. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? What gain you have in the antenna field? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ? Anyone seen this before? Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative number even after reboot… Transmitter Output Power : dBm ( Range: -30 — -15 dBm ) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
[AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
¿Is that like a sánguche? From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
We use sandwich, but the correct word is emparedado. Mexico uses “torta” which in PR means cake Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
The big mistake of the public was that Obamacare was about bringing down health costs. That was a complete lie. Obamacare was a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor. Then it was burdened by the political correctness bug making everyone pay for every service everyone else needed such as pregnancy coverage for 60 year old women. Throw in the corruption and inefficiency of any government program, and there was no way it was going to be cheaper.What they thought was that they could squeeze doctors and hospitals even further on costs than Medicare and Medicaid already had. What they ended up with is 50% of the hospitals not taking it and some of them going out of business, doctors leaving the profession in droves, and small practices having to be bought up by bigger practices or simply go out of business. The problem was that Obamacare never covered the malpractice costs and subsequent insurance costs which are really driving medical care costs up along with the uninsured and illegal alien population burdening the hospitals with uncollectible debt. The consequences of Obamacare have been far more devastating short term and long term than anyone ever thought of (Dodd—Frank and U.S. tax policy comes into play here also). Small businesses stopped hiring and modified their workforces by letting go full-time employees and moving them to part-time. This has resulted in 75% of all new jobs being part time instead of full time which means that those workers are now on Obamacare if anything. These aren’t the people subsidizing everyone else. Businesses kept workforces at 50 employees, started hiring more contractors, or simply let people go to avoid being forced into buying health care. Even worse, with the costs of health care going up, companies are dropping what health care they had and letting those employees move to Obamacare or cutting the health care insurance that they had back. And everyone keeps touting the “great” systems of health care in Canada and Europe. Those systems are fine if you have the flu but if you need an MRI, it could take months. If you have cancer late in life, I suggest your will is ready. It’s easier to get an MRI for your dog. And when the money runs out in a fiscal year for a specific treatment, you wait until the next fiscal year for that treatment. In Europe, they have lottery’s to see the dentist and if you don’t get picked, hopefully you get picked the next time. Everyone keeps saying that this was a Republican idea. It was actually an idea by the Heritage Foundation and supported by many Republicans, even Newt Gingrich. That doesn’t mean it was ever a good idea, it just means Republican politicians pander to their constituents to stay in office as much as Democratic politicians at the taxpayers’ expense. The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1) Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2) Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3) Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4) Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration costs to get the results. It just doesn’t work that way. Insurance company profits are at an al- time high. TPA’s profits are at an all-time high. Glad I’m making decent money doing what I do … blessed and grateful Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
So who uses emparedado? From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime We use sandwich, but the correct word is emparedado. Mexico uses “torta” which in PR means cake Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
When ordering in Spanish, do you ever want to order a sandwich anyway? So many better options. Only example I can think of is a “Cubano”. Mm. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime So who uses emparedado? From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime We use sandwich, but the correct word is emparedado. Mexico uses “torta” which in PR means cake Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
I think south america, spain for sure Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime So who uses emparedado? From: Gino Villarini via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime We use sandwich, but the correct word is emparedado. Mexico uses “torta” which in PR means cake Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
I never heard it in spain. Just bocadillo and bocata for baguette-style bread and sandwich using sliced bread. On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think south america, spain for sure Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime So who uses emparedado? From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime We use sandwich, but the correct word is emparedado. Mexico uses “torta” which in PR means cake Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
[AFMUG] Jaime makes the news
http://bitlomat.com/bitlomat-vs-ubnt/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Jaime makes the news
too bad I don't own or work with that WISP anymore. long story.. in lawyers hands now. I moved on. Jeff from Bitlomat was a great help when he was at Bitlomat. He has new gig. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://bitlomat.com/bitlomat-vs-ubnt/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
well I haven't been there is a while. Violence was bad. Guess they killed each other off. business and tourism is going back up. Violence moved closer to DF. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1) Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2) Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3) Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4) Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory Well said. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare The big mistake of the public was that Obamacare was about bringing down health costs. That was a complete lie. Obamacare was a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor. Then it was burdened by the political correctness bug making everyone pay for every service everyone else needed such as pregnancy coverage for 60 year old women. Throw in the corruption and inefficiency of any government program, and there was no way it was going to be cheaper. What they thought was that they could squeeze doctors and hospitals even further on costs than Medicare and Medicaid already had. What they ended up with is 50% of the hospitals not taking it and some of them going out of business, doctors leaving the profession in droves, and small practices having to be bought up by bigger practices or simply go out of business. The problem was that Obamacare never covered the malpractice costs and subsequent insurance costs which are really driving medical care costs up along with the uninsured and illegal alien population burdening the hospitals with uncollectible debt. The consequences of Obamacare have been far more devastating short term and long term than anyone ever thought of (Dodd—Frank and U.S. tax policy comes into play here also). Small businesses stopped hiring and modified their workforces by letting go full-time employees and moving them to part-time. This has resulted in 75% of all new jobs being part time instead of full time which means that those workers are now on Obamacare if anything. These aren’t the people subsidizing everyone else. Businesses kept workforces at 50 employees, started hiring more contractors, or simply let people go to avoid being forced into buying health care. Even worse, with the costs of health care going up, companies are dropping what health care they had and letting those employees move to Obamacare or cutting the health care insurance that they had back. And everyone keeps touting the “great” systems of health care in Canada and Europe. Those systems are fine if you have the flu but if you need an MRI, it could take months. If you have cancer late in life, I suggest your will is ready. It’s easier to get an MRI for your dog. And when the money runs out in a fiscal year for a specific treatment, you wait until the next fiscal year for that treatment. In Europe, they have lottery’s to see the dentist and if you don’t get picked, hopefully you get picked the next time. Everyone keeps saying that this was a Republican idea. It was actually an idea by the Heritage Foundation and supported by many Republicans, even Newt Gingrich. That doesn’t mean it was ever a good idea, it just means Republican politicians pander to their constituents to stay in office as much as Democratic politicians at the taxpayers’ expense. The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1) Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2) Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3) Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4) Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration costs to get the results. It just doesn’t work that way. Insurance company profits are at an al- time high. TPA’s profits are at an all-time high. Glad I’m making decent money doing what I do … blessed and grateful Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard, otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds. I would say he doesn’t dare retire, but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”. My doctor tells me to look at the ensalada menu. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
Just an update, CTI is making it right, supposed to be sending me another 3 boxes (different brand) of replacment cable for free. They informed me the failure rate on this extreamly low and i must just have bad luck. I ran shireen 3 years ago before the apex and it was ok, didnt like the larger overall diamiter and had some issues with some boxes not coming off the reel without getting tangled up so thats why I originally switched. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Shireen shielded is all that we use on towers and installs. It has been awesome. I have no issues with it. The reel in the box works perfectly every time. However, you should duct tape the box closed as soon as you get it. The packing tape that holds it together from the factory doesn't hold up to hauling it around. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How so? Run a cable for 3 years and have a problem with two rolls at $xxx/roll. Cost savings over other stuff was what exactly over those 3 years had you used something different? You saw two bad rolls, no known problem with other installs, right? I don't know how big your company is, but just in doing some rough math it would take a hell of a lot of bad cable to replace the +/- $90,000 saved during that time. Are you working on something super-duper critical here? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 08:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: Cheapest I seen on that 1300a is $300/roll. Almost seems worth it after seeing this crap today... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Never seen a defect with Belden 1300A/7919A or the Best-Tronics clone of it. It ain’t cheap though. From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last year. Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket was missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back, today found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet. I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was being installed today Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
On 10/9/14, 8:10, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: And everyone keeps touting the “great” systems of health care in Canada and Europe. Those systems are fine if you have the flu but if you need an MRI, it could take months. If you have cancer late in life, I suggest your will is ready. It’s easier to get an MRI for your dog. And when the money runs out in a fiscal year for a specific treatment, you wait until the next fiscal year for that treatment. In Europe, they have lottery’s to see the dentist and if you don’t get picked, hopefully you get picked the next time. As someone with Canadian family, the normal procedure is to come over to the US and get an MRI or whatever if you can't get one there or your place on the waiting list sucks. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
I also walk every evening as religiously as I can and hike on weekends. I want to see my 11 (1 in oven) grandkids graduate college. When I can't climb anymore, I want to teach history. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard, otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds. I would say he doesn’t dare retire, but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”. My doctor tells me to look at the ensalada menu. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
Shayne, It doesn’t do that automatically. You have to explicitly configure the SM to operate in Standard WiFi mode (from the Quick Start or Configuration-Radio page) to connect to an AP operating standard 802.11. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Is the basic idea that you’re using an SSID and wpa2 anyway, so when the ePMP tries to connect, it then identifies the AP as 802.11 or CanopyMagicSauce and connects accordingly? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Got it! Makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: • 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support o Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz • SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) o SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode • Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) o Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second • Multicast VLAN and Prioritization o Multicast VLAN support with prioritization o Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups o Support for IGMPv3 snooping • CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) • Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
For these situations where someone might want two configurations, it would be nice to be able to pre-load configurations and if the sm can't connect to an AP for a set amount of time, it loads the other config and tries that, and goes back and forth until it locks on. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Shayne, It doesn’t do that automatically. You have to explicitly configure the SM to operate in Standard WiFi mode (from the Quick Start or Configuration-Radio page) to connect to an AP operating standard 802.11. Thanks, Sriram *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:15 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Is the basic idea that you’re using an SSID and wpa2 anyway, so when the ePMP tries to connect, it then identifies the AP as 802.11 or CanopyMagicSauce and connects accordingly? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:25 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Got it! Makes sense *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *timothy steele via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: · 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support o Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz · SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) o SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode · Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) o Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second · Multicast VLAN and Prioritization o Multicast VLAN support with prioritization o Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups o Support for IGMPv3 snooping · CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) · Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Item 1 only works if you require that people have coverage. Otherwise lots of people will wait until they have a significant medical issue and then go buy coverage. I'm skeptical that 2 or 3 would have any effect on costs. 4. So much for state rights... I have an alternate list: 1. Make it illegal for companies to provide health care. This is the root of the problem and has all sorts of negative effects. ~Duncan On 10/9/2014 8:56 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1)Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2)Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3)Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4)Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory Well said. - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:10 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare The big mistake of the public was that Obamacare was about bringing down health costs. That was a complete lie. Obamacare was a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor. Then it was burdened by the political correctness bug making everyone pay for every service everyone else needed such as pregnancy coverage for 60 year old women. Throw in the corruption and inefficiency of any government program, and there was no way it was going to be cheaper. What they thought was that they could squeeze doctors and hospitals even further on costs than Medicare and Medicaid already had. What they ended up with is 50% of the hospitals not taking it and some of them going out of business, doctors leaving the profession in droves, and small practices having to be bought up by bigger practices or simply go out of business. The problem was that Obamacare never covered the malpractice costs and subsequent insurance costs which are really driving medical care costs up along with the uninsured and illegal alien population burdening the hospitals with uncollectible debt. The consequences of Obamacare have been far more devastating short term and long term than anyone ever thought of (Dodd—Frank and U.S. tax policy comes into play here also). Small businesses stopped hiring and modified their workforces by letting go full-time employees and moving them to part-time. This has resulted in 75% of all new jobs being part time instead of full time which means that those workers are now on Obamacare if anything. These aren’t the people subsidizing everyone else. Businesses kept workforces at 50 employees, started hiring more contractors, or simply let people go to avoid being forced into buying health care. Even worse, with the costs of health care going up, companies are dropping what health care they had and letting those employees move to Obamacare or cutting the health care insurance that they had back. And everyone keeps touting the “great” systems of health care in Canada and Europe. Those systems are fine if you have the flu but if you need an MRI, it could take months. If you have cancer late in life, I suggest your will is ready. It’s easier to get an MRI for your dog. And when the money runs out in a fiscal year for a specific treatment, you wait until the next fiscal year for that treatment. In Europe, they have lottery’s to see the dentist and if you don’t get picked, hopefully you get picked the next time. Everyone keeps saying that this was a Republican idea. It was actually an idea by the Heritage Foundation and supported by many Republicans, even Newt Gingrich. That doesn’t mean it was ever a good idea, it just means Republican politicians pander to their constituents to stay in office as much as Democratic politicians at the taxpayers’ expense. The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1)Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2)Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3)Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4)Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:11 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - *From:*Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The
[AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
On 10/9/14, 9:48, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? If you must pull that many vs. a switch up top, a pulling sock (one of those Chinese finger trap looking things) and lots of wire lube. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
Paul is right. There’s quite a bit of variables to account for auto selection. No doubt, there are enhancements that can be done in this area. But for the sake of time, we wanted to get the functionality out first and then create automation around it later. Good feedback, Steve! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! That might be a bit tricky to coordinate all the variables. It’s quite easy to change all the SMs via SNMP , so I would imagine getting all the ePMP SMs online with WiFI, then issuing an SNMP command to them to change to normal mode and reboot, then change the APs then everything would come up. That’s how we are going to do it to upgrade the few UBNT towers that we have Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:34 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! For these situations where someone might want two configurations, it would be nice to be able to pre-load configurations and if the sm can't connect to an AP for a set amount of time, it loads the other config and tries that, and goes back and forth until it locks on. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Shayne, It doesn’t do that automatically. You have to explicitly configure the SM to operate in Standard WiFi mode (from the Quick Start or Configuration-Radio page) to connect to an AP operating standard 802.11. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:15 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Is the basic idea that you’re using an SSID and wpa2 anyway, so when the ePMP tries to connect, it then identifies the AP as 802.11 or CanopyMagicSauce and connects accordingly? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Got it! Makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: • 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support o Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz • SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) o SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode • Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) o Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second • Multicast VLAN and Prioritization o Multicast VLAN support with prioritization o Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups o Support for IGMPv3 snooping • CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) • Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this.
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
there is a cable pulling lubricant out there, i would soak the cable in that before pulling Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- mime-attachment.png Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
Ken, Careful when talking about Cubanos...I had a very interesting experience with that word while living in Buenos Aires. In the all to common traffic jams, guys will walk between the cars selling Cubanos. They are like waffle cones rolled up with dolce de leche inside. One day I was was in a truck with two Argentines and two Mexican guys and decided to try some Cubanos. I honestly can't remember the Argentine word for the filling, but whatever they called it, the mexican guys did not understand. So, the Mexican guys took a bite and after exclaiming ahh, es cajeta, The Argnetine guys' heads whipped around, eyes wide open glancing down at their cubano wondering why theirs did not have this same filling. So now that everyone in the car was thoroughly confused, I had to ask what all the confusion was about. It turns out that in Argentina, cajeta is a rather lude term refering toe the taste of a womabetter not go there. Anyway, it was really fun getting to know the difference between the two dialects. Just shows, you have to be careful...might end up insulting someone. ;) On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I also walk every evening as religiously as I can and hike on weekends. I want to see my 11 (1 in oven) grandkids graduate college. When I can't climb anymore, I want to teach history. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard, otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds. I would say he doesn’t dare retire, but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”. My doctor tells me to look at the ensalada menu. *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
I've done a number of long pulls in 2 conduit with cat6 shielded (and electrical too) you can make the pull go much easier if you: - Stagger the cables and have at least one about 24 longer than the rest, loop that one cable back and tape it to a bundle of 2 or 3 other cables, tape smaller bundles together and then those bundles to the others until you've taped them all down around 12 to 18 beyond the last bundle or shortest cables. You should end up with a tapered end with a nice solid loop at the end. - If you use jet line or pulling tape, incorporate that into your bundles by wrapping it around and taping it off with the other bundles, this is usually done with the primary bundle (the one with the loop). If you have a pulling sleeve w/ swivel, use it, very handy. - Wire lube is helpful but I only use it if I'm pulling the max number of cables for that conduit size and/or there are more than a couple bends - Having someone 'push' the bundle through is as important as the person pulling, coordinating the pull / push process is also helpful. Mike Greene Rock Island Technology Solutions 360-378-5884 x201 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- [cid:image001.png@01CFE3A8.6DA207E0]http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.comhttp://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.commailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
Yeah, this would be tricky, as if you have any client not on for any reason when you swap Aps, they’re orphan. Don’t get me wrong, it’s better than nothing, but even something like the 450’s 430 compatibility mode would solve this, or have it try CanopyMagic on reboot, then drop to 802.11, or something. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! That might be a bit tricky to coordinate all the variables. It’s quite easy to change all the SMs via SNMP , so I would imagine getting all the ePMP SMs online with WiFI, then issuing an SNMP command to them to change to normal mode and reboot, then change the APs then everything would come up. That’s how we are going to do it to upgrade the few UBNT towers that we have Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:34 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! For these situations where someone might want two configurations, it would be nice to be able to pre-load configurations and if the sm can't connect to an AP for a set amount of time, it loads the other config and tries that, and goes back and forth until it locks on. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Shayne, It doesn’t do that automatically. You have to explicitly configure the SM to operate in Standard WiFi mode (from the Quick Start or Configuration-Radio page) to connect to an AP operating standard 802.11. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Is the basic idea that you’re using an SSID and wpa2 anyway, so when the ePMP tries to connect, it then identifies the AP as 802.11 or CanopyMagicSauce and connects accordingly? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Got it! Makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available! Folks, ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp System Release 2.3 adds the following features: · 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support o Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz · SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths) o SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode · Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting) o Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second · Multicast VLAN and Prioritization o Multicast VLAN support with prioritization o Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast groups to up to 5 groups o Support for IGMPv3 snooping · CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin) · Option to set SM Max Tx power manually Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum! http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Thanks, Sriram
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
Thanks for the tips. I forgot to link to the table. How many cat6 cables did you pull? Does this table look realistic or overly conservative? http://i.dslr.net/syms/f2495df981639d43c9b114343f451413.gif On 10/9/2014 11:04 AM, Mike Greene via Af wrote: signature I've done a number of long pulls in 2 conduit with cat6 shielded (and electrical too) you can make the pull go much easier if you: -Stagger the cables and have at least one about 24 longer than the rest, loop that one cable back and tape it to a bundle of 2 or 3 other cables, tape smaller bundles together and then those bundles to the others until you've taped them all down around 12 to 18 beyond the last bundle or shortest cables. You should end up with a tapered end with a nice solid loop at the end. -If you use jet line or pulling tape, incorporate that into your bundles by wrapping it around and taping it off with the other bundles, this is usually done with the primary bundle (the one with the loop). If you have a pulling sleeve w/ swivel, use it, very handy. -Wire lube is helpful but I only use it if I'm pulling the max number of cables for that conduit size and/or there are more than a couple bends -Having someone 'push' the bundle through is as important as the person pulling, coordinating the pull / push process is also helpful. Mike Greene Rock Island Technology Solutions 360-378-5884 x201 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com mailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
signatureCable grip. Electrical supply houses will have various sizes. Would be a piece of cake if not for the 90 degree bends, how large radius? Standard conduit bender radius? Often easier to do those bends with liquitite, if necessary you can disconnect the fittings and pull the cable through then reconnect the fittings. 50 feet is not very long. Maybe consider pulling the bundle up the side and then down the conduit, so gravity is working with not against you. This also makes it easier to pre-terminate the ends that will be up on the tank. Just make sure to keep hold of the bundle because once gravity starts pulling it down it might not stop, although those bends will probably restrain it. From: Randy Cosby via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
We currently pay about $1,200/month for our benefits package, per employee (and family). That's health, dental and vision. Travis On 10/9/2014 10:54 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
Lube, Lube, and more Lube :-) Down is a lot easier than up. It's absolutely critical to keep the cables very neat as they go into the conduit. Twist them up and it's not going to work. Tape them neatly ahead of time but DON'T let the tape go in the conduit. Have the helper take it off right before it goes in. One cable is the leader - make it about 4' longer than the rest, double it back and very securely tape it into the bigger bundle. Use that loop to pull with. This should work fine for a short run. If your going much farther you want to use a pulling sock. Mark On 10/9/14, 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
Why not just pull one 100 pair OSP? That should equal 25 individual runs. http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/Product_Information/Premises_Copper/MEGAPIC_CAT5.pdf Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- Mail Attachment.png Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Yeah, the state regulations were a total clusterf!@k. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 07:56 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1)Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2)Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3)Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4)Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory Well said. - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:10 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare The big mistake of the public was that Obamacare was about bringing down health costs. That was a complete lie. Obamacare was a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor. Then it was burdened by the political correctness bug making everyone pay for every service everyone else needed such as pregnancy coverage for 60 year old women. Throw in the corruption and inefficiency of any government program, and there was no way it was going to be cheaper. What they thought was that they could squeeze doctors and hospitals even further on costs than Medicare and Medicaid already had. What they ended up with is 50% of the hospitals not taking it and some of them going out of business, doctors leaving the profession in droves, and small practices having to be bought up by bigger practices or simply go out of business. The problem was that Obamacare never covered the malpractice costs and subsequent insurance costs which are really driving medical care costs up along with the uninsured and illegal alien population burdening the hospitals with uncollectible debt. The consequences of Obamacare have been far more devastating short term and long term than anyone ever thought of (Dodd—Frank and U.S. tax policy comes into play here also). Small businesses stopped hiring and modified their workforces by letting go full-time employees and moving them to part-time. This has resulted in 75% of all new jobs being part time instead of full time which means that those workers are now on Obamacare if anything. These aren’t the people subsidizing everyone else. Businesses kept workforces at 50 employees, started hiring more contractors, or simply let people go to avoid being forced into buying health care. Even worse, with the costs of health care going up, companies are dropping what health care they had and letting those employees move to Obamacare or cutting the health care insurance that they had back. And everyone keeps touting the “great” systems of health care in Canada and Europe. Those systems are fine if you have the flu but if you need an MRI, it could take months. If you have cancer late in life, I suggest your will is ready. It’s easier to get an MRI for your dog. And when the money runs out in a fiscal year for a specific treatment, you wait until the next fiscal year for that treatment. In Europe, they have lottery’s to see the dentist and if you don’t get picked, hopefully you get picked the next time. Everyone keeps saying that this was a Republican idea. It was actually an idea by the Heritage Foundation and supported by many Republicans, even Newt Gingrich. That doesn’t mean it was ever a good idea, it just means Republican politicians pander to their constituents to stay in office as much as Democratic politicians at the taxpayers’ expense. The best idea would have been simple and cheap. 1)Don’t let insurance companies keep people with existing conditions out. 2)Beef up review of bad doctors and get rid of them 3)Pass Tort reform and limit lawyers from suing for excessive malpractice amounts 4)Get rid of state regulations on health insurance and let insurers sell all over the country Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:11 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Jeremy, I am glad this worked out well for you financially. Most people have been very unhappy with the effect of this, and in then we ALL pay for any costs that are lowered, subsidized etc. Financially for this country as a whole, today and in the future, Obamacare is a disaster. There is NO free lunch system that doesn’t cost everyone the same money, plus bureaucratic and administration costs to get the results. It just doesn’t work that way. Insurance company profits are at an al- time high. TPA’s profits are at an all-time high. Glad I’m making decent money
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
I'm not following you on the tape recommendation. How do you keep the bundle together if you remove the tape before it goes into the conduit? Do you tape at regular intervals then remove the tape as just before it hits the conduit? Randy On 10/9/2014 11:41 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: Lube, Lube, and more Lube :-) Down is a lot easier than up. It's absolutely critical to keep the cables very neat as they go into the conduit. Twist them up and it's not going to work. Tape them neatly ahead of time but DON'T let the tape go in the conduit. Have the helper take it off right before it goes in. One cable is the leader - make it about 4' longer than the rest, double it back and very securely tape it into the bigger bundle. Use that loop to pull with. This should work fine for a short run. If your going much farther you want to use a pulling sock. Mark On 10/9/14, 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
It's not rated for gigabit. On 10/9/2014 11:51 AM, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote: Why not just pull one 100 pair OSP? That should equal 25 individual runs. http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/Product_Information/Premises_Copper/MEGAPIC_CAT5.pdf Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to the top of a water tank. There are two large-radius bends in the conduit. We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible. We'll need at least 18. I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable. It looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24. Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through. How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as well. -- signature Mail Attachment.png http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- signature http://www.infowest.com/Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
One of my daughters lives in England. She loves the health care system there. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bpOn 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
We were paying more, something like $1500. On self insurance that went below $750 for the same coverage. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We currently pay about $1,200/month for our benefits package, per employee (and family). That's health, dental and vision. Travis On 10/9/2014 10:54 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bpOn 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
I thought it was great when I was there. Granted, I left 12 years ago, the rest of my family is still using it though. My grandmother just had to have some pretty significant treatment on the NHS. On 10/9/2014 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: One of my daughters lives in England. She loves the health care system there. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
If you don’t get subsidies or if you make over $250K per year, welcome to the rich category as defined by the government. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem.
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
The plan was private not group, does group cost more? I would expect it to be less. if I made 250k I wouldnt really care about paying double for a plan I never looked at group because I assumed I wouldnt have staff for at least a year. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you don’t get subsidies or if you make over $250K per year, welcome to the rich category as defined by the government. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Obamacare provides subsidies if your income is $63,000 per year. Over that, and the subsidy is zip. bp On 10/9/2014 11:14 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: According to the insurance guy I was talking to recently, in Wisconsin the private plans are what had a 200% increase (or more) this year. Sounds like you might have had that happen in Illinois too. Group rates are generally lower. I think you can qualify for a group rate with a very small number but I don’t know about it being just 1 employee. Before Obamacare, you could often get into groups by joining a Chamber of Commerce. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare The plan was private not group, does group cost more? I would expect it to be less. if I made 250k I wouldnt really care about paying double for a plan I never looked at group because I assumed I wouldnt have staff for at least a year. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If you don’t get subsidies or if you make over $250K per year, welcome to the rich category as defined by the government. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Groups rates either went up or services went down. We will spend at least $6K more this year minimum. The year isn’t over yet. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Obamacare provides subsidies if your income is $63,000 per year. Over that, and the subsidy is zip. bp On 10/9/2014 11:14 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: According to the insurance guy I was talking to recently, in Wisconsin the private plans are what had a 200% increase (or more) this year. Sounds like you might have had that happen in Illinois too. Group rates are generally lower. I think you can qualify for a group rate with a very small number but I don’t know about it being just 1 employee. Before Obamacare, you could often get into groups by joining a Chamber of Commerce. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare The plan was private not group, does group cost more? I would expect it to be less. if I made 250k I wouldnt really care about paying double for a plan I never looked at group because I assumed I wouldnt have staff for at least a year. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you don’t get subsidies or if you make over $250K per year, welcome to the rich category as defined by the government. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare wealth transfer? Im not rich. Last year when contemplating going out on my own and opening up shop one of the huge factors was insurance. The plan I got quoted was going to run me around 450 a month to cover me and my kids with a comparable amount of coverage to what i was getting through work. I went last week to see what the cost was, the only thing remotely close has 3 times the deductible and higher copays for close to 900. I guess maybe im misunderstanding what rich is, I was under the impression I was not, financially at least, in spirit, im filthy rich. Is it my spirit that defines my rich/poor status? I dont have the wealth to deliver to the poor in spirit. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
We make our own chinese finger lock per cable and stagger each one in the pipe while using tape and ziptie to hold heads or body of cable against rope at tie off point. +1 wire lube if you have to go thru corners. HDPFE Conduit is what we use since last year. there are tricks of the trade for getting elbows and Ts to coexist with HDPFE though. Our last tower we did looks much better than the first. We can use the Clips and hangers to properly clip it to a cable tray or leg of a tower. On 10/09/2014 11:52 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 10/9/14, 9:48, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? If you must pull that many vs. a switch up top, a pulling sock (one of those Chinese finger trap looking things) and lots of wire lube. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
Yea… spanish has a lot of variables… here in PR we call cakes “bizcochos” whereas in other countries that same word means vagina(in a vulgar way).. So go figure when you go to a bakery and ask for bizcocho to the lady clerk… lol!!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Ken, Careful when talking about Cubanos...I had a very interesting experience with that word while living in Buenos Aires. In the all to common traffic jams, guys will walk between the cars selling Cubanos. They are like waffle cones rolled up with dolce de leche inside. One day I was was in a truck with two Argentines and two Mexican guys and decided to try some Cubanos. I honestly can't remember the Argentine word for the filling, but whatever they called it, the mexican guys did not understand. So, the Mexican guys took a bite and after exclaiming ahh, es cajeta, The Argnetine guys' heads whipped around, eyes wide open glancing down at their cubano wondering why theirs did not have this same filling. So now that everyone in the car was thoroughly confused, I had to ask what all the confusion was about. It turns out that in Argentina, cajeta is a rather lude term refering toe the taste of a womabetter not go there. Anyway, it was really fun getting to know the difference between the two dialects. Just shows, you have to be careful...might end up insulting someone. ;) On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I also walk every evening as religiously as I can and hike on weekends. I want to see my 11 (1 in oven) grandkids graduate college. When I can't climb anymore, I want to teach history. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard, otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds. I would say he doesn’t dare retire, but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”. My doctor tells me to look at the ensalada menu. From: Chuck McCown via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime
Napkin == Kotex Bloody == Damn Pants == Underwear From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Go to England and tell the lady you need a napkin for your bloody nose. Or for your dirty pants. From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yea… spanish has a lot of variables… here in PR we call cakes “bizcochos” whereas in other countries that same word means vagina(in a vulgar way).. So go figure when you go to a bakery and ask for bizcocho to the lady clerk… lol!!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Ken, Careful when talking about Cubanos...I had a very interesting experience with that word while living in Buenos Aires. In the all to common traffic jams, guys will walk between the cars selling Cubanos. They are like waffle cones rolled up with dolce de leche inside. One day I was was in a truck with two Argentines and two Mexican guys and decided to try some Cubanos. I honestly can't remember the Argentine word for the filling, but whatever they called it, the mexican guys did not understand. So, the Mexican guys took a bite and after exclaiming ahh, es cajeta, The Argnetine guys' heads whipped around, eyes wide open glancing down at their cubano wondering why theirs did not have this same filling. So now that everyone in the car was thoroughly confused, I had to ask what all the confusion was about. It turns out that in Argentina, cajeta is a rather lude term refering toe the taste of a womabetter not go there. Anyway, it was really fun getting to know the difference between the two dialects. Just shows, you have to be careful...might end up insulting someone. ;) On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I also walk every evening as religiously as I can and hike on weekends. I want to see my 11 (1 in oven) grandkids graduate college. When I can't climb anymore, I want to teach history. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Jaime is able to eat all this good food because he works so hard, otherwise he would weigh 500 pounds. I would say he doesn’t dare retire, but from his photos, he works just as hard on his “days off”. My doctor tells me to look at the ensalada menu. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime Yeah, but you got to go to Juarez... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:45 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gino, Jaime ummh Vitortas best Tortas in the world!! Sorry compadres Gino, Chuck y Ken...There is a place in Cd. Juarez, that makes the best tortas I have ever hadthey have lines 24 7!!! Shredded beef, mayo, cheese (white), avocado, secret sauce, lettuce, tomato.or the ham, cheese..., or carnitas de puerco..the bread is fresh and tastes greatfor five bucks u can gave two and a drink!!! Sanguiche is used when pan Bimbo (catch all for sliced bread) is the bread, Torta is used when bread is pan blanco or bollitos. damn ...i am hungry now. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: emparedado New word for me. I always have used sándwich. Is this used in the “new world” or is this a Spain thing?
[AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
I have lots of PTP600 and PTP650 links up. I always use LMR400 or for long leads LMR600 Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/09/2014 11:55 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
Get a cable comb and tape them together as they leave it into the conduit. Keeps it nice and tight. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We make our own chinese finger lock per cable and stagger each one in the pipe while using tape and ziptie to hold heads or body of cable against rope at tie off point. +1 wire lube if you have to go thru corners. HDPFE Conduit is what we use since last year. there are tricks of the trade for getting elbows and Ts to coexist with HDPFE though. Our last tower we did looks much better than the first. We can use the Clips and hangers to properly clip it to a cable tray or leg of a tower. On 10/09/2014 11:52 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 10/9/14, 9:48, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? If you must pull that many vs. a switch up top, a pulling sock (one of those Chinese finger trap looking things) and lots of wire lube. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
Totally depends on the frequency and length of run. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
short runs with the radio on the same pipe as the antenna less than 36 in 5ghz On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Totally depends on the frequency and length of run. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
That is plenty long for 5 GHz. It will work but you will have a loss of .29 dB per foot. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads short runs with the radio on the same pipe as the antenna less than 36 in 5ghz On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Totally depends on the frequency and length of run. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit
+1 cable comb or setup something to keep them seperated as they come off spools. We use plastic funnels sprayed with teflon screwed to a sawhorse in front of the cable wench. On 10/09/2014 02:05 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: Get a cable comb and tape them together as they leave it into the conduit. Keeps it nice and tight. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We make our own chinese finger lock per cable and stagger each one in the pipe while using tape and ziptie to hold heads or body of cable against rope at tie off point. +1 wire lube if you have to go thru corners. HDPFE Conduit is what we use since last year. there are tricks of the trade for getting elbows and Ts to coexist with HDPFE though. Our last tower we did looks much better than the first. We can use the Clips and hangers to properly clip it to a cable tray or leg of a tower. On 10/09/2014 11:52 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 10/9/14, 9:48, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: How would you pull a bundle like that? What do you use to attach the cables together before pulling? Just electrical tape? Any other suggestions? If you must pull that many vs. a switch up top, a pulling sock (one of those Chinese finger trap looking things) and lots of wire lube. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads
is ultraflex actually pretty flexible? We used to make our own ends, but theyre solder type ends they had us crimping on, and on top of it you can trust a tech knucklehead to secure the lead without cranking on it. i just want lowish loss leads with factory ends that are flexible enough to offset the nimrod factor On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That is plenty long for 5 GHz. It will work but you will have a loss of .29 dB per foot. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads short runs with the radio on the same pipe as the antenna less than 36 in 5ghz On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Totally depends on the frequency and length of run. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] ptp650 antenna leads I hate lmr400 which is what we have always used. Is N-N LMR 195 lead sufficient, or what flexible leads are folks using for antenna connections -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] 13.2 (Build34) Beta Software is Now Available!
AF Users, 13.2 (Build 34) is now available. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/beta Please download it and let us know what you think. We expect this to be the LAST Open Beta version of 13.2. We are wrapping up this release and have a general question to the Open Beta Users. For all the users that are using 13.2 (Build 30) and newer, please let me know how many of these APs are in heavy IP traffic environments. Best, Cambium Jonathan
[AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level
Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like? Preferably something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to monitor 2 Generator tanks. one is about 6 deep, 20Gallon. The other is about 24 deep, 50 gallon. The 6 Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage. Something that could replace that would be perfect. The 24 tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level
I have used an ultrasonic sensor in a water tank. I have put cameras on tank indicators. There are pressure transducers that work down in the inches of water pressures. Motorola used to make them. You could put a strain gauge under one end and weigh the tank. A float on a stick that comes vertically through a plug is what old airplanes use. Have a web cam pointed at it. Mark it as you fill it. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like? Preferably something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to monitor 2 Generator tanks. one is about 6 deep, 20Gallon. The other is about 24 deep, 50 gallon. The 6 Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage. Something that could replace that would be perfect. The 24 tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still get a $500 bill (or your insurance will). I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up. Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build34) Beta Software is Now Available!
Can you define heavy IP environment? Dose that only apply to routed mode or also IP's flowing over a bridge? — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af af@afmug.com wrote: AF Users, 13.2 (Build 34) is now available. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/beta Please download it and let us know what you think. We expect this to be the LAST Open Beta version of 13.2. We are wrapping up this release and have a general question to the Open Beta Users. For all the users that are using 13.2 (Build 30) and newer, please let me know how many of these APs are in heavy IP traffic environments. Best, Cambium Jonathan
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Yes corporate welfare is very damaging to capitalism and the economy. Banks, car manufactures, airlines, on and on. On Thursday, October 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have *built* the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot *sustain* the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs.
[AFMUG] What mount would you used for hanging a wire?
I have a 2' parapet wall on both sides that I have to go over. The wall is braced enough to the hold a wire and the total distance is about 40'. Basically I was going to mount to the inside of the parapet wall with something like a J-mount . Just wondering if I should do channel bar and a pipe instead for strength or is there something else I need to use. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions(especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have *built* the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot *sustain* the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private
Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level
Float switch Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/9/14, 4:12 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have used an ultrasonic sensor in a water tank. I have put cameras on tank indicators. There are pressure transducers that work down in the inches of water pressures. Motorola used to make them. You could put a strain gauge under one end and weigh the tank. A float on a stick that comes vertically through a plug is what old airplanes use. Have a web cam pointed at it. Mark it as you fill it. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like? Preferably something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to monitor 2 Generator tanks. one is about 6 deep, 20Gallon. The other is about 24 deep, 50 gallon. The 6 Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage. Something that could replace that would be perfect. The 24 tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
I think the general population thinks machines do all the technical work. Finding someone that knows how to work concrete, run electrical, plumbing, etc, correctly is much harder than it was 20 years ago. - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2 TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions (especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bpOn 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was
Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level
On 10/9/14, 13:08, Nate Burke via Af wrote: Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like? Preferably something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to monitor 2 Generator tanks. one is about 6 deep, 20Gallon. The other is about 24 deep, 50 gallon. The 6 Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage. Something that could replace that would be perfect. The 24 tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell. Is a low level switch too ghetto? That's all I use, when it alarms I know there's X hours remaining. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level
Now you're talking. You can even wire it up to an ethernet port. When closed it loops back on itself. Easy to monitor. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level Float switch Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 10/9/14, 4:12 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have used an ultrasonic sensor in a water tank. I have put cameras on tank indicators. There are pressure transducers that work down in the inches of water pressures. Motorola used to make them. You could put a strain gauge under one end and weigh the tank. A float on a stick that comes vertically through a plug is what old airplanes use. Have a web cam pointed at it. Mark it as you fill it. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Monitoring Diesel fuel level Anybody had a Diesel tank level monitor that they like? Preferably something that could Wire into a Site Monitor for monitoring. Needing to monitor 2 Generator tanks. one is about 6 deep, 20Gallon. The other is about 24 deep, 50 gallon. The 6 Tank is Steel and has a cheap float guage. Something that could replace that would be perfect. The 24 tank is plastic, and has no gauge from what I can tell. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Part of this problem is that unchecked immigration has driven down the wages in these fields. It’s harder today to raise a family as a carpenter or mechanic than it was 40 years ago. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 3:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare I think the general population thinks machines do all the technical work. Finding someone that knows how to work concrete, run electrical, plumbing, etc, correctly is much harder than it was 20 years ago. - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2 TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions (especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare
Re: [AFMUG] What mount would you used for hanging a wire?
Thanks. I'll use it as my foundation. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What mount would you used for hanging a wire? Personally I like unistrut and hardware. There is a part for virtually every applications I have ever thought of. JR From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] What mount would you used for hanging a wire? I have a 2' parapet wall on both sides that I have to go over. The wall is braced enough to the hold a wire and the total distance is about 40'. Basically I was going to mount to the inside of the parapet wall with something like a J-mount . Just wondering if I should do channel bar and a pipe instead for strength or is there something else I need to use. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Most of my kids have gone to BYU, so... pretty conservative fare. I have a couple of heretics that went to USU and one that got a degree in Cornwall England. But none of them have complained about liberal agendas. From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare OTOH, I have two girls in college... both honor students with a 4.0 at two different colleges. They both hated all the dumb classes they had to take at first, but then after a year or two, they both recognized the value in those type of classes. They are involved in many outside associations and activities, mainly because of those type of classes. They have received many scholarships and awards due to some of those classes. Yes, there are classes they hate and wished they didn't have to take... but as my oldest nears graduation this May, her depth on many subjects is awesome. :) Part of the issue could be the exact class your boys are selecting... I know at both of my daughter's schools there are literally hundreds of humanities classes available, and they have never taken a Beatles History class. LOL Travis On 10/9/2014 4:16 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I have 2 boys in college. Both boys are going into science fields of one kind or another and both will get post-graduate degrees. However, as a parent, when I have to pay for classes such as Beatles History, sexual history of the human race, or a couple other really stupid humanities classes such as these that have nothing whatsoever in common with their degrees, I have no sympathy for colleges that need more money. I estimate we personally wasted $3000 or more on these classes that are nothing more than to keep some useless professor employed. That is money I would rather have spent on lab resources, additional classes, or something pertaining to their real education. Want to make college more affordable, put these inane classes under scrutiny to the taxpayers and see how fast the budgets start getting cut. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2 TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions (especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
Check the prices for those procedures in other countries. Our medical system is out of touch with the rest of the world. I spoke with another Lyme patient who went to visit friends in Japan and got an MRI done there. The expense from the trip and testing still didn't touch what an MRI costs in the US. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare It's not the routine care and occasional small health issue, it's when the $500,000 heart attack happens. Or the $300,000 kidney failure. Or even the $100,000 surgery... that's really what insurance is for. They charge full retail when they have to bill insurance because it's such a pain to actually collect. I work with several medical billing offices. These are full time companies that do nothing but handle insurance billing for doctors, etc... it's THAT big of a job to actually collect from all these insurance companies (the same ones that are making billions in profits each year). Travis On 10/9/2014 3:45 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: The hospital, yes. The doctor's office, no. I was a cash patient going to a specialist. My insurance price is around $175, my cash price was $130. Same with my meds, I paid cash price at my pharmacy and one run would be $66. With insurance they bill full retail which is closer to double that and I pay a $20 co pay. The pharmacy makes more money with my insurance, but they still made a profit without. I'm good friends with my pharmacist. I ran the numbers, even dealing with Lyme disease I was spending around $2500 a year, including supplements that aren't covered by insurance. I'm paying around $4000 a year for my insurance and still paying a chunk of my doctor bill and my medications, still paying for my supplements. My total healthcare is more like $5000 to $6000 a year now. I spent less on healthcare by paying cash. The testing was nice to have covered by insurance, but I'd have still come out cheaper at the end of the year to pay cash for those than pay my insurance. I will say this, my wife had a miscarriage last month. Insurance came in handy on that bill, however, paying cash for the same service would have only made our healthcare equal what I'm paying for insurance every year. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still get a $500 bill (or your insurance will). I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up. Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bpOn 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability
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Or cut out HALF of the $3 TRILLION we spend on alleged health care. bp On 10/9/2014 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions(especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have *built* the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot *sustain* the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is
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Reduce the cost of education and healthcare and you have a educated, healthy workforce with more disposable income. Not only are they able to produce more, but they also have more disposable income. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 02:45 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Or cut out HALF of the $3 TRILLION we spend on alleged health care. bp On 10/9/2014 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions(especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have *built* the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot *sustain* the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from
[AFMUG] PTP450 maximum xmit power?
We have some new PTP450 radios, and I could swear that when I first set them up, they let me set the maximum transmit power to 22 dBm. When I just turned them on to test with sync injection, they are now saying maximum is 19 dBm (or 16 + 16). WTF?!? Did I change something accidentally to cause them to lower the transmit power? -- bp
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Correction. This Forbes article claims we spend $3.8 TRILLION per year. Pretty soon, you're talking real money. bp On 10/9/2014 3:54 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Reduce the cost of education and healthcare and you have a educated, healthy workforce with more disposable income. Not only are they able to produce more, but they also have more disposable income. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 02:45 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Or cut out HALF of the $3 TRILLION we spend on alleged health care. bp On 10/9/2014 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Awesome. Then do what Germany recently did, which is making college virtually free by removing tuition costs. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/get-a-free-college-degree-passport-required/ Now you have a population that isn't drowning in 1.2TRILLION dollars in student debt. OTOH, having a college degree doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the QUALITY of our educational institutions(especially public) is horrible. There's also a huge amount of skilled trades that really need workers to fill them. Plumbers, electricians, etc need able educated hands to build infrastructure for the next few generations. I'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpn0vh2Rj0Y Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/09/2014 12:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare While capitalism may have *built* the greatest country in the world, some think capitalism cannot *sustain* the greatest country in the world. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is **designed** to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada,
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My wife wanted her doctor to deliver our son. He told her that if he delivered a baby, even on the side of a road in an emergency, his malpractice insurance would increase by $30,000.00/year. Think about that. 30K! Our legal, insurance, and medical industry is completely out of touch. On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Check the prices for those procedures in other countries. Our medical system is out of touch with the rest of the world. I spoke with another Lyme patient who went to visit friends in Japan and got an MRI done there. The expense from the trip and testing still didn't touch what an MRI costs in the US. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare It's not the routine care and occasional small health issue, it's when the $500,000 heart attack happens. Or the $300,000 kidney failure. Or even the $100,000 surgery... that's really what insurance is for. They charge full retail when they have to bill insurance because it's such a pain to actually collect. I work with several medical billing offices. These are full time companies that do nothing but handle insurance billing for doctors, etc... it's THAT big of a job to actually collect from all these insurance companies (the same ones that are making billions in profits each year). Travis On 10/9/2014 3:45 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: The hospital, yes. The doctor's office, no. I was a cash patient going to a specialist. My insurance price is around $175, my cash price was $130. Same with my meds, I paid cash price at my pharmacy and one run would be $66. With insurance they bill full retail which is closer to double that and I pay a $20 co pay. The pharmacy makes more money with my insurance, but they still made a profit without. I'm good friends with my pharmacist. I ran the numbers, even dealing with Lyme disease I was spending around $2500 a year, including supplements that aren't covered by insurance. I'm paying around $4000 a year for my insurance and still paying a chunk of my doctor bill and my medications, still paying for my supplements. My total healthcare is more like $5000 to $6000 a year now. I spent less on healthcare by paying cash. The testing was nice to have covered by insurance, but I'd have still come out cheaper at the end of the year to pay cash for those than pay my insurance. I will say this, my wife had a miscarriage last month. Insurance came in handy on that bill, however, paying cash for the same service would have only made our healthcare equal what I'm paying for insurance every year. - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare If you go into a Doctor's office and receive aspirin and a hug, you'll still get a $500 bill (or your insurance will). I'd love it if we could address whatever drives the costs up. Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that socialized medicine is a great idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Amen brother Conlin. The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed countries. Just peruse this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html bp On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our
