date:20160211

For SMS?  100% coverage.

Out of reach?  Not really.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 2:58 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A quick question for those on the list:
>
> Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
> locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you could do either
> basic data or send/receive text messages?
>
> If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
> answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
> challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
> those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).
>
> I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon isn't
> looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT&T.
>
> --
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> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

5 to 2.4 is usually 12 db difference for us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 7:17 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

2016-02-11 Thread Lewis Bergman

Link planner? Run the same exact a-z with alln the freqs. Or any other
propagation sw

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 6:27 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 5 to 2.4 is usually 12 db difference for us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 11, 2016 7:17 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
>> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

Nsm5 vs nsm2 on a customer site.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 7:38 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Link planner? Run the same exact a-z with alln the freqs. Or any other
> propagation sw
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 6:27 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> 5 to 2.4 is usually 12 db difference for us.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 11, 2016 7:17 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
>>> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Will let you know
On Feb 11, 2016 4:49 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Hey, they are great cables. Like you said, if you have the time and
> experience Andrews is good stuff. But seriously, if you need some
> connectors I have hundreds of them.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 10:06 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Lewiswe did use a bunch of Huber Suhner cable assemblies and
>> antennas when we created the MPAA 9004 90 degree panels with combiner
>> back in NCR WaveLAN days...we sold about 150 to a Columbian integrator for
>> a bank project..  wish I could find pictures of it.  Anyways that was
>> really nice cable.  Pricey but was worth it for some hush hush projects
>> using Cylink products.
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:02 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ehh I don't know about that...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 9:50 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 But it probably costs Verizon $25...

 bp
 


 On 2/10/2016 6:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 It's $250 new :P

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>>> was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>>> will work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
 Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net  
 *
 * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
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 *



 -- Original Message --
 From: "TJ Trout" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


 It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe
 that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it 
 down
 that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear 
 bunker,
 but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never 
 had
 one issue.

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little
>> connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or 
>> so).
>> Put a wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what
>>> I was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the 
>>> roof down
>>> to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>>
>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the L

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Chuck McCown

I’m with Lewis on this one.  LMR is much faster and easier to terminate, 
especially for a newbe, will not kink and cannot fill with water.

Heliax is a bit sexier, takes better/special tools (tubing cutter etc) will 
kink and can fill with water.

Kinking and having to swage the copper just right is the main things for me.  I 
am sure it costs a bit more too.
The difference in loss really doesn’t add up unless it is a very long run.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it 
since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install 
correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG 58 
thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can drive 15 
minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede your 
point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my 
story and I am sticking to it.  

On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience 
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing 
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much less 
likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot. Unless you are 
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference. 

 LMR 600LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09 
cable size .590"   1/2" 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NA 
  On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a 
TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors. 

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use Andrew 
superflex

On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency 
range.



  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

  That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.


-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

  It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe 
that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in 
normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so 
in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.


bp


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little 
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luth

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc

There is also LMR-DB which has a stiff water blocking compound in the braid for 
even more water resistance.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:22 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

I’m with Lewis on this one.  LMR is much faster and easier to terminate, 
especially for a newbe, will not kink and cannot fill with water.

Heliax is a bit sexier, takes better/special tools (tubing cutter etc) will 
kink and can fill with water.

Kinking and having to swage the copper just right is the main things for me.  I 
am sure it costs a bit more too.
The difference in loss really doesn’t add up unless it is a very long run.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it 
since 1993have the tools for prepping cablesthe connectors install 
correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them.   LMR feels like RG 58 
thicker brother.I have used LMR when supplied by client.   I can drive 15 
minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors.  No wait no shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it.   So for newbies I concede your 
point.   I prefer Betty over Veronica  and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my 
story and I am sticking to it.  

On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience 
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing 
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much less 
likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more  foot. Unless you are 
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference. 

 LMR 600LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4.463 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0  .815 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A  2.0 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5  2.09 
cable size .590"   1/2" 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A  2.17 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7   2.97 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4   NA 
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3   NA 
  On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a 
TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors. 

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

I prefer HeliaxI use LMR for pigtails but rarelywe also use Andrew 
superflex

On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency 
range.

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

  That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.

-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net

-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

  It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe 
that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that 
it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in 
normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so 
in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

bp

On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

2016-02-11 Thread Neil Smellie

Gino, I have this from a older presentation

Vegetation Loss – the loss expected due to radio energy being absorbed by
the moisture content of the vegetation. This loss will vary for every
situation, however the typical tree loss expected at different frequencies
has been estimated by the International Telecommunication Union150 feet of
trees

150 feet of trees

Frequency

902MHz

2.4GHz

5.8GHz

Expected additional path loss

9 dB

25 dB

60 dB

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

Is that a forest of 150'?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 9:29 AM, "Neil Smellie"  wrote:

> Gino, I have this from a older presentation
>
> Vegetation Loss – the loss expected due to radio energy being absorbed by
> the moisture content of the vegetation. This loss will vary for every
> situation, however the typical tree loss expected at different
> frequencies has been estimated by the International Telecommunication Union150
> feet of trees
>
> 150 feet of trees
>
> Frequency
>
> 902MHz
>
> 2.4GHz
>
> 5.8GHz
>
> Expected additional path loss
>
> 9 dB
>
> 25 dB
>
> 60 dB
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
>> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence


What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc
territory cant you?

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any
new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some
unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered
transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy
preferably. lien lien lien

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> TJ,
>
>
>
> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.
> Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.
>
> Twitter: @rharnish
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
>
>
> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with
> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the
> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone
> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name
> in a data base ?
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Daniel White

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?




bp



On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much 
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?  I'm 
assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector and ran 
LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.





-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109   | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 


Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713   | sam...@plexicomm.net 








-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if you 
stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it won't 
resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal 
houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. 
Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.




bp



On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't 
recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the end 
of the coax, and you're there.



bp



On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was dealing 
with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the basement to 
get the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is a 
very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109   | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 


sam...@plexicomm.net   | Emergency Support: 
1.866.759.9713 






  _


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:



Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the 
satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to 
install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing 
wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in rooms 
where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the windows were 
closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows with 
RF film.





 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Pretty sure I was quoted $800...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network
> altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's $250 new :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
> end of the coax, and you're there.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is
> a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>
>
> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in
> rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
> the windows with RF film.
>
>
>
>
>
>  *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions

[AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

2016-02-11 Thread Christopher Gray

When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?

If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?

Thanks, Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Bill Prince

This whole discussion will become historical when Verizon turns on WiFi 
calling.


bp


On 2/11/2016 6:41 AM, Daniel White wrote:


For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your 
network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.


Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com __

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?


bp



On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of
feet. It is much easier to run, less prone to damage, and
equivalent in loss per frequency range.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind
of cable that was?  I'm assuming anything that will
handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch
mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net>>
wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took
an SMB <-> N Connector and ran LMR to the roof. 
Hope that helps.


*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support**
*Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
www.plexicomm.net *
*Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
**

*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
 | sam...@plexicomm.net
*

-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it
really had to believe that if you stick it
outside until you get a good sync and power it
down that it won't resync indoors, I've never
tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
normal houses and offices with tile and metal
roofs I've never had one issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is
it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. Don't
quote me on that. I am disavowing all
knowledge.


bp



On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by
Samsung) has a little connector
(don't recall the type, but it's
about the size of MCM or so). Put
a wire on the end of the coax, and
you're there.

bp



On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Lol I wish

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 10:21 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> This whole discussion will become historical when Verizon turns on WiFi
> calling.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/11/2016 6:41 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network
> altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's $250 new :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> * Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>   Office:
> 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
>
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
>  *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
> end of the coax, and you're there.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is
> a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>
>
> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in
> rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed. Building

[AFMUG] Service in Luling, LA

2016-02-11 Thread Keith Fletcher

If anyone can service this address please contact me.

382 Judge Edward Dufresne Pkwy, Luling, LA 70070

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Heliax forever y que?
On Feb 11, 2016 7:52 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Pretty sure I was quoted $800...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>
>> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your
>> network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's $250 new :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>>
>> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
>> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
>> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
>> end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>
>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
>> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
>> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>
>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this
>> is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>>
>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
>> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
>> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
>> wasn't working whe

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

2016-02-11 Thread Eric Muehleisen

I would expect that under certain circumstances the polarization could be a
difference of +/- 5dB. We've found that at 900mhz vpol is better when going
through a forest. YMMV

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Neil Smellie  wrote:

> Gino, I have this from a older presentation
>
> Vegetation Loss – the loss expected due to radio energy being absorbed by
> the moisture content of the vegetation. This loss will vary for every
> situation, however the typical tree loss expected at different
> frequencies has been estimated by the International Telecommunication Union150
> feet of trees
>
> 150 feet of trees
>
> Frequency
>
> 902MHz
>
> 2.4GHz
>
> 5.8GHz
>
> Expected additional path loss
>
> 9 dB
>
> 25 dB
>
> 60 dB
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
>> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

2016-02-11 Thread Joseph Marsh

What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>
> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>
> Thanks, Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)

There is a webinar on that next week..
On Feb 11, 2016 8:21 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> This whole discussion will become historical when Verizon turns on WiFi
> calling.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/11/2016 6:41 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network
> altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's $250 new :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> * Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>   Office:
> 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
>
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
>  *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
> end of the coax, and you're there.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is
> a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>
>
> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in
> rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
> the windows with RF f

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

2016-02-11 Thread Christopher Gray

The specific case that brought me to the question is a remote location that
I cannot yet serve with wireless, they are on Verizon copper, but nowhere
near DSL service. I'm expecting T1 to be available, and want to ask about
low end Ethernet pricing as I may be able to use the location for an AP
site.

--

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Marsh 
wrote:

> What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
> On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
>> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
>> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>>
>> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>>
>> Thanks, Chris
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Rick, 

For my own curiosity

Why would an wisp sell this?  Why would they not want to make use of the 
spectrum?


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> 
> TJ,
>  
> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
> Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> Twitter: @rharnish
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with 
> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the 
> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone 
> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name 
> in a data base ?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

We have 30 BTS's deployed, but all of my experience is with Wimax 
firmware.  I don't really have anything particularly flattering to say, 
but I think most of my complaints are applicable to all wimax products.


I hate the CPE's.  Gemtek needs a competitor.


On 2/11/2016 12:26 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously 
looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback 
from current users, Gino? Etc


They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the 
basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything 
else, but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps 
higher it may pincel out for me...


So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

2016-02-11 Thread Joseph Marsh

I sent my guy a email to see if he can help awaiting reply from him
On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> The specific case that brought me to the question is a remote location
> that I cannot yet serve with wireless, they are on Verizon copper, but
> nowhere near DSL service. I'm expecting T1 to be available, and want to ask
> about low end Ethernet pricing as I may be able to use the location for an
> AP site.
>
>
> --
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
>>> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>>>
>>> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chris
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question: AT&T cellular coverage at your towers.

If I remember correctly, when I had an AT&T demo phone, it wasn't usable at
quite a few of our towers... but it likely would be 100%, or at least close
to for SMS on top of the towers.

We don't really have anything that can't be accessed year round.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> For SMS?  100% coverage.
>
> Out of reach?  Not really.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 11, 2016 2:58 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> A quick question for those on the list:
>>
>> Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
>> locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you could do either
>> basic data or send/receive text messages?
>>
>> If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
>> answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
>> challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
>> those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).
>>
>> I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon
>> isn't looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT&T.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.

I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you?

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish 
mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote:
TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence


What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

There is a link planner to by some HAM guys that has very detailed results
when enter the obstructions such as trees in pathGreen Bay or Green
Packet...something like that...online and you download a PDF
On Feb 11, 2016 5:17 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile path to aprox
> 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5 and 900?
>

[AFMUG] Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein Right - NYTimes.com

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?referer=http://news.google.com

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Sam Kirsch


Looks like we used LMR400.


-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/10/2016 4:33:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was? 
 I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:
Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.



-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "TJ Trout" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that 
if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down 
that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear 
bunker, but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs 
I've never had one issue.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in 
diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.


bp 
On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector 
(don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put 
a wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp 
On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  
wrote:
Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what 
I was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the 
roof down to the basement to get the damn thing to sync 
properly.


As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, 
and this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in 
mind!



-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688


sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713





-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:


Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can 
actually read the satellites from behind the window (I used 
'GPS Test' on Android). We had to install one of these 
boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing wasn't 
working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working 
in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms 
where the windows were closed. Building management didn't even 
know they'd purchased the windows with RF film.



 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | http://www.plexicomm.net/
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net





-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If 
they use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator 
before they start transmitting, then it would legitimately 
take 20-30 minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have 
to reset the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of 
these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take 
an excessively long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:
Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very 
accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... 
My oneplus one will pick up 6 satellites while standing in 
a central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be accurate 
enough to get a location within 75'.


All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment 
building or something like that.


I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. 
Thanks to tiny channel size and very basic

Re: [AFMUG] Extrapolate Foliage loss from 5 ghz to 2.5 and 900?

2016-02-11 Thread David


+1 link planner works very well for this.


On 02/11/2016 06:38 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Link planner? Run the same exact a-z with alln the freqs. Or any other 
propagation sw



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 6:27 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


5 to 2.4 is usually 12 db difference for us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 11, 2016 7:17 AM, "Gino Villarini" mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have calculated the nlos loss due to foliage on a 1 mile
path to aprox 25 - 30 db, how can I extrapolate that to 2.5
and 900?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Sam Kirsch

We have a Wilson booster in the same building that is boosting 800 Mhz 
and 1000Mhz, into three antennas in the basement.  These three residents 
in this one room with newer Verizon iPhones still could not get their 
data to work until we added the Samsung device.



-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "Daniel White" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/11/2016 9:41:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your 
network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.




Thank you,



Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:


Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?



bp


On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It 
is much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss 
per frequency range.




On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:



Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:


That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal 
loss will work?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:


Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.






-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net







-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe 
that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power 
it down that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of 
a nuclear bunker, but in normal houses and offices with tile and 
metal roofs I've never had one issue.




On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:


Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so 
in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all 
knowledge.




bp


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:


The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little 
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of 
MCM or so). Put a wire on the end of the coax, and you're 
there.



bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  
wrote:


Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is 
what I was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna 
from the roof down to the basement to get the damn thing to 
sync properly.


As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code 
now, and this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep 
that in mind!




-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713







-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?



Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:





Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can 
actually read the satellites from behind the window (I 
used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to install one of 
these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing 
wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver 
was working in rooms where the windows were open and not 
working in rooms where the windows were closed. Building 
management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows 
with RF film.






 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | w

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Tyson,

License holders willing to sell their licenses are not necessarily Wisps.  
Maybe they tried and failed or never got their business off the ground.  
Whatever the case, there are licenses available that have never registered a 
device and have no plans to start now.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson @ Internet 
Communications Inc (ICI)
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Rick,

For my own curiosity

Why would an wisp sell this?  Why would they not want to make use of the 
spectrum?

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: 
www.surfici.net

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Rick Harnish 
mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote:
TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence


What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Awesome sauce.  Thanks!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 11, 2016 11:13 AM, "Sam Kirsch"  wrote:

> Looks like we used LMR400.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/10/2016 4:33:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
 (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
 on the end of the coax, and you're there.

 bp
 


 On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:

> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
> this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
> 1.866.759.9713
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
>> the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
>> had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the 
>> damn
>> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was 
>> working
>> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
>> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd 
>> purchased
>> the windows with RF film.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> http://www.plexicomm.net/
>> *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>>   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | 
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Daniel White

Very different system Josh…



Look at something like this for residential type systems:



https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



Pretty sure I was quoted $800...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White" mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?



bp



On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much 
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?  I'm 
assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector and ran 
LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.





-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109   | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 


Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713   | sam...@plexicomm.net 








-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if you 
stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it won't 
resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal 
houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. 
Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.



bp



On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't 
recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the end 
of the coax, and you're there.

bp



On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was dealing 
with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the basement to 
get the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is a 
very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109   | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 


sam...@plexicomm.net   | Emergency Support: 
1.866.759.9713 






  _


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Daniel White

Depends if your booster extends 4G or not.



Most boosters don’t extend 4G right now.



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Kirsch
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



We have a Wilson booster in the same building that is boosting 800 Mhz and 
1000Mhz, into three antennas in the basement.  These three residents in this 
one room with newer Verizon iPhones still could not get their data to work 
until we added the Samsung device.





-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |   www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 |   
sam...@plexicomm.net







-- Original Message --

From: "Daniel White" <  afmu...@gmail.com>

To:   af@afmug.com

Sent: 2/11/2016 9:41:02 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" <  
part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?



bp





On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much 
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza < 
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <  
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?  I'm 
assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?






Josh Luthman
Office:   937-552-2340
Direct:   937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <  
sam...@plexicomm.net> wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector and ran 
LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.





-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |   www.plexicomm.net
Office:   1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax:  
 1.866.852.4688

Emergency Support:   1.866.759.9713 |  
 sam...@plexicomm.net







-- Original Message --

From: "TJ Trout" <  t...@voltbb.com>

To:   af@afmug.com

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if you 
stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it won't 
resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal 
houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <  
part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. 
Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.



bp





On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office:   937-552-2340
Direct:   937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <  
part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't 
recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the end 
of the coax, and you're there.

bp





On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?






Josh Luthman
Office:   937-552-2340
Direct:   937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel <  
sam...@plexicomm.net> wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was dealing 
with.  We had to r

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete
waste of time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> Very different system Josh…
>
>
>
> Look at something like this for residential type systems:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> Pretty sure I was quoted $800...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>
> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network
> altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's $250 new :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
> frequency range.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>
> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "TJ Trout" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
>
> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
> end of the coax, and you're there.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is
> a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Orig

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Chuck McCown

I have two wilson systems, one at my house, one at my shop  and they both work 
great.  You have to make sure to have a good outdoor antenna and have it aimed 
at the proper cell site.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete waste 
of time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

  Very different system Josh… 

  Look at something like this for residential type systems:

https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/

  Thank you,

  Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

  Pretty sure I was quoted $800...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?

bp On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency 
range.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

  On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:

  Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.

  -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net

  -- Original Message --

  From: "TJ Trout" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to 
believe that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it 
down that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, 
but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one 
issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

  Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or 
so in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

bp On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:

  The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little 
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS 
box?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel 
 wrote:

  Veri

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

2016-02-11 Thread Chuck McCown

You gotta use the expensive units.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete waste 
of time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

  Very different system Josh… 

  Look at something like this for residential type systems:

https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/

  Thank you,

  Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

  Pretty sure I was quoted $800...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?

bp On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is 
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency 
range.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Andrew 1/2  Heliax 

  On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that 
was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will 
work?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:

  Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N 
Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.

  -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net

  -- Original Message --

  From: "TJ Trout" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to 
believe that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it 
down that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, 
but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one 
issue.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

  Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or 
so in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.

bp On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:

  The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little 
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.

bp On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS 
box?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel 
 wrote:

  Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network 
Extender is what I was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from 
the roof down to the basemen

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

Used the included antenna and pointed it at the one Verizon site we have
around here.  An omni would have been better for my application, I think.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have two wilson systems, one at my house, one at my shop  and they both
> work great.  You have to make sure to have a good outdoor antenna and have
> it aimed at the proper cell site.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete
> waste of time.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Very different system Josh…
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at something like this for residential type systems:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> Pretty sure I was quoted $800...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>>
>> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your
>> network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's $250 new :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>>
>> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
>> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
>> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
>> end of the coax, and you're the

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

That goes against how this discussion went, though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You gotta use the expensive units.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete
> waste of time.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Very different system Josh…
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at something like this for residential type systems:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> Pretty sure I was quoted $800...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>>
>> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your
>> network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's $250 new :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>>
>> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
>> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
>> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
>> end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 133

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

You should have hired me...I use Axell and it works. Now Cobham wireless..
almost sold one to Chuck long ago
On Feb 11, 2016 9:40 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have two wilson systems, one at my house, one at my shop  and they both
> work great.  You have to make sure to have a good outdoor antenna and have
> it aimed at the proper cell site.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> I tried a Wilson and a handful of others.  None of them worked.  Complete
> waste of time.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Very different system Josh…
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at something like this for residential type systems:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.smoothtalker.com/cellular-signal-boosters/building/stealthz1/bbuz160gbo/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> Pretty sure I was quoted $800...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>>
>> For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your
>> network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's $250 new :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew 1/2  Heliax
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?
>> I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector
>> and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>>
>> *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
>> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>>
>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
>> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
>> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
>> end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?


I like the cut of your jib, sir.

We need to hang out sometime and complain about all the things we 
mutually hate.



On 2/11/2016 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
As far as WiMAX CPE, we have some of the Greenpackets, and recently 
tried some of the Mercury CPEs which are made for them by a third 
company I don't recall at the moment.  Let's face it, everything WiMAX 
sucks, but given that low bar, the Mercury CPEs haven't been too bad, 
the web GUI is certainly an improvement, physically it looks similar 
to Gemtek, I'm not a big fan of the mounting bracket.



-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

We have 30 BTS's deployed, but all of my experience is with Wimax
firmware.  I don't really have anything particularly flattering to say,
but I think most of my complaints are applicable to all wimax products.

I hate the CPE's.  Gemtek needs a competitor.


On 2/11/2016 12:26 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously 
looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback 
from current users, Gino? Etc


They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the 
basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything 
else, but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps 
higher it may pincel out for me...


So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

As far as WiMAX CPE, we have some of the Greenpackets, and recently tried 
some of the Mercury CPEs which are made for them by a third company I don't 
recall at the moment.  Let's face it, everything WiMAX sucks, but given that 
low bar, the Mercury CPEs haven't been too bad, the web GUI is certainly an 
improvement, physically it looks similar to Gemtek, I'm not a big fan of the 
mounting bracket.



-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

We have 30 BTS's deployed, but all of my experience is with Wimax
firmware.  I don't really have anything particularly flattering to say,
but I think most of my complaints are applicable to all wimax products.

I hate the CPE's.  Gemtek needs a competitor.


On 2/11/2016 12:26 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at 
it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current 
users, Gino? Etc


They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic 
EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else, but if 
you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it may 
pincel out for me...


So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed.  More like virtual flags planted on the moon.

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause.  
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.


From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.

 

I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.

 

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

 

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you?

 

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

 

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien 

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

TJ,

 

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. 

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

 

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)

Ken,

As always, you’re on the money.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed.  More like virtual flags planted on the moon.

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause.  
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.


From: Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.

I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you?

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish 
mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote:
TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence


What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Thank you. 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Rick Harnish  
> wrote:
> 
> Ken,
>  
> As always, you’re on the money.
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> Twitter: @rharnish
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was 
> a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking 
> their claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never 
> deployed anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and 
> PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few 
> if any of those were ever deployed.  More like virtual flags planted on the 
> moon.
>  
> Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
> transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals 
> might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete 
> clause.  I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.
>  
>  
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: mailto:af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.
>  
> I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license 
> ownership transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.
>  
> The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are 
> tight the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining 
> operators quite handily for breaking rules these days.
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> Twitter: @rharnish
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc 
> territory cant you?
>  
> Are there any stipulations on the transfer?
>  
> would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any 
> new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
> drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and 
> fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien
>  
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish  
> wrote:
> TJ,
>  
> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
> Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> Twitter: @rharnish
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with 
> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the 
> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone 
> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name 
> in a data base ?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Question: AT&T cellular coverage at your towers.

All of our towers except for one have excellent AT&T service.  Half of our
towers require a snowmobile to access during the winter.

The one tower that doesn't get service, if you stand on this one rock and
face southeast you can sometimes complete a call and you can usually send a
txt.

-Sean

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A quick question for those on the list:
>
> Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
> locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you could do either
> basic data or send/receive text messages?
>
> If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
> answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
> challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
> those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).
>
> I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon isn't
> looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT&T.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com  |
> http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett

There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't 
bother trying to figure out why. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 




Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. 

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. 
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. 





From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM 
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 



Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. 

I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. 

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days. 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish. 
Twitter: @rharnish 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 


since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you? 



Are there any stipulations on the transfer? 



would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien 



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish < rharn...@fibertothefarm.com > 
wrote: 


TJ, 

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. 
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish. 
Twitter: @rharnish 





From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ? 





-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread Mike Hammett

I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 




So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase? 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 


There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't 
bother trying to figure out why. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 




Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. 

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. 
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. 





From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM 
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 



Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. 

I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. 

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days. 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish. 
Twitter: @rharnish 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 


since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you? 



Are there any stipulations on the transfer? 



would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien 



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish < rharn...@fibertothefarm.com > 
wrote: 


TJ, 

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. 
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. 

Respectfully, 

Rick Harnish 
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 
260-307-4000 cell 
Skype: rick.harnish. 
Twitter: @rharnish 





From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence 

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ? 





-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't 
bother trying to figure out why.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed.  More like virtual flags planted on the moon.

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause.  
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.

From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.

I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you?

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs out 
10/25/2018.  Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another 10 years 
or what.  Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and has done PAL 
auctions, but you never know.  They are good at criticizing ISPs for moving too 
slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” thing.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't 
bother trying to figure out why.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a 
homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their 
claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed 
anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink 
registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of 
those were ever deployed.  More like virtual flags planted on the moon.

Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might 
be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause.  
I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.

From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.

I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license ownership 
transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.

The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are tight 
the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining operators 
quite handily for breaking rules these days.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory 
cant you?

Are there any stipulations on the transfer?

would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new 
licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed 
drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine 
the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish  
wrote:

TJ,

I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.  
Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst

260-307-4000 cell

Skype: rick.harnish.

Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current 
licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, 
register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? 
Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data 
base ?

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread Mark Radabaugh

The FCC  will not be renewing the NN license for 3650-3700.   It will become 
CBSD and follow those rules.

Mark


Please note the mailing and shipping address change below:

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
m...@amplex.net

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs out 
> 10/25/2018.  Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another 10 
> years or what.  Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and has 
> done PAL auctions, but you never know.  They are good at criticizing ISPs for 
> moving too slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” thing.
>  
>  
> From: Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
> 
> So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase?
>  
>  
> From: Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't 
> bother trying to figure out why.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
> 
> Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was 
> a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking 
> their claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never 
> deployed anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org 
>  and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline 
> equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed.  More like 
> virtual flags planted on the moon.
>  
> Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have 
> transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals 
> might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete 
> clause.  I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.
>  
>  
> From: Rick Harnish 
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.
>  
> I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license 
> ownership transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.
>  
> The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are 
> tight the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining 
> operators quite handily for breaking rules these days.
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> Twitter: @rharnish
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>  
> since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc 
> territory cant you?
>  
> Are there any stipulations on t

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Josh Reynolds

" On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan than Patrick."

LOL :)
On Feb 11, 2016 5:46 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> That's a little higher than when we first started with canopy but not
> significantly so. On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan
> than Patrick.
> In my mind, it comes down to how little you have to baby an installed
> user. You can afford to pay more for the CPE if you never have to think
> about it again. If the customer has good service ask the time they won't
> view a service issue as an opportunity to shop for a replacement and truck
> rolls cost a lot more than most consider. Of course this also means you are
> spending good money in the rest of your network so it is reliable as well.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 11:26 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking
>> at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current
>> users, Gino? Etc
>>
>> They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the
>> basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else,
>> but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it
>> may pincel out for me...
>>
>> So what's the word ?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

If I remember correctly, we can only operate under the old rules until some
time in 2020 anyway, so at best renewing would only extend it about a year
and a half, in your case. I would hope the new system will be running by
2018, but who knows... if it isn't there could end up being a year and a
half or so where you're just out of luck.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs
> out 10/25/2018.  Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another
> 10 years or what.  Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and
> has done PAL auctions, but you never know.  They are good at criticizing
> ISPs for moving too slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do”
> thing.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
> I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
> So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase?
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
> There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I
> didn't bother trying to figure out why.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
> Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it
> was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by
> staking their claim first.  So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who
> never deployed anything.  For example, I think Michael Anderson of
> Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment,
> I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed.  More like virtual
> flags planted on the moon.
>
> Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not
> have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so
> individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by
> a no-compete clause.  I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing.
>
>
> *From:* Rick Harnish 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
>
> Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded.
>
>
>
> I don’t know of any stipulations.  You do need to file for a license
> ownership transfer with the FCC.  That may take 60 to 90 days.
>
>
>
> The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall.  Budgets are
> tight the way I understand it.  That being said, it seems they are fining
> operators quite handily for breaking rules these days.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.
>
> Twitter: @rharnish
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>
>
>
> since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc
> territory cant you?
>
>
>
> Are there any stipulations on the transfer?
>
>
>
> would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any
> new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some
> unemp

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

I saw that and left it alone
On Feb 11, 2016 11:46 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> " On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan than Patrick."
>
> LOL :)
> On Feb 11, 2016 5:46 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> That's a little higher than when we first started with canopy but not
>> significantly so. On the other hand, I'd rather buy something from Satan
>> than Patrick.
>> In my mind, it comes down to how little you have to baby an installed
>> user. You can afford to pay more for the CPE if you never have to think
>> about it again. If the customer has good service ask the time they won't
>> view a service issue as an opportunity to shop for a replacement and truck
>> rolls cost a lot more than most consider. Of course this also means you are
>> spending good money in the rest of your network so it is reliable as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 11:26 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking
>>> at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current
>>> users, Gino? Etc
>>>
>>> They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the
>>> basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else,
>>> but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it
>>> may pincel out for me...
>>>
>>> So what's the word ?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question: AT&T cellular coverage at your towers.

Out in our very, very rural areas, nothing but Verizon works. Even then, 
I may get 1x only.


On 2/11/2016 11:45 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
All of our towers except for one have excellent AT&T service.  Half of 
our towers require a snowmobile to access during the winter.


The one tower that doesn't get service, if you stand on this one rock 
and face southeast you can sometimes complete a call and you can 
usually send a txt.


-Sean


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


A quick question for those on the list:

Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's
tower locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you
could do either basic data or send/receive text messages?

If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know
the answer to the same question, but only including those sites
that are a challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year. 
(For instance, those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).


I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.
Verizon isn't looking likely due to network restrictions. The
other option is AT&T.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com
 |
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Question: AT&T cellular coverage at your towers.

2016-02-11 Thread Chris Fabien

Our towers, probably 40% have voice coverage with ATT. 90% with Verizon.
None are unreachable year round.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A quick question for those on the list:
>
> Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
> locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you could do either
> basic data or send/receive text messages?
>
> If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
> answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
> challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
> those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).
>
> I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon isn't
> looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT&T.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question: AT&T cellular coverage at your towers.

When Nextel was Nextel only time I would lose service was in remote hiking
areas wife and I like.Privacy.. nudge nudge...anywaysVerizon now
has best coverage  area but pricey...
Out in our very, very rural areas, nothing but Verizon works. Even then, I
may get 1x only.

On 2/11/2016 11:45 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

All of our towers except for one have excellent AT&T service.  Half of our
towers require a snowmobile to access during the winter.

The one tower that doesn't get service, if you stand on this one rock and
face southeast you can sometimes complete a call and you can usually send a
txt.

-Sean

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A quick question for those on the list:
>
> Can I get a quick idea of roughly what percentage of everyone's tower
> locations are covered with enough AT&T service that you could do either
> basic data or send/receive text messages?
>
> If you'd like to be even more helpful, you could also let me know the
> answer to the same question, but only including those sites that are a
> challenge to reach for at least a portion of the year.  (For instance,
> those that require a specialized vehicle to reach).
>
> I'm working on a project which requires a cellular carrier.  Verizon isn't
> looking likely due to network restrictions.  The other option is AT&T.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

[AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

2016-02-11 Thread Travis Johnson


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet.  We don't care.

Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and
remove the sales tax to increase revenue.  Customers will just be happy to
be paying a smaller monthly amount.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html
>
> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

Of course USF is not local and is a "contribution" not a "tax".  Does anyone 
not think it is coming?

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes


Same in NY.

On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.

Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees 
and remove the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers will just be 
happy to be paying a smaller monthly amount.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson > wrote:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

2016-02-11 Thread Keefe John

Good news for Wisconsin---too bad they'll probably wait until 2020 to 
phase it out.


On 2/11/2016 2:01 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html 



Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on Internet in 
your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of kindness by your 
State's Tax Authority ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

> Same in NY.

> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.

>> Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and 
>> remove
>> the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers will just be happy to be paying 
>> a
>> smaller monthly amount.

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373

>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote:

>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

>>> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

>>> Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

I don't know about Ohio. New York doesn't have sales tax on any
services, except for specific exceptions. There has never been a tax on
internet access herebut for example there has always been a tax on
VOIP because phone service is one of the specific exceptions.

It's certainly not a kindness. New York gets their money. You pay them
more than you pay the feds.

On 2/11/2016 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on
Internet in your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other
act of kindness by your State's Tax Authority !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

*From: *"Adam Moffett"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

Same in NY.

On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.

Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS
fees and remove the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers
will just be happy to be paying a smaller monthly amount.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

ITFA, but that's correct.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on Internet
> in your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of kindness
> by your State's Tax Authority !
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>
> Same in NY.
>
> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet.  We don't care.
>
> Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and
> remove the sales tax to increase revenue.  Customers will just be happy to
> be paying a smaller monthly amount.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html
>>
>> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

Yep, Thanks for correcting that... not sure why I keep calling it ITNA. ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:45:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

> ITFA, but that's correct.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on Internet in
>> your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of kindness by 
>> your
>> State's Tax Authority !

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

>>> Same in NY.

>>> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.
 Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and 
 remove
 the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers will just be happy to be 
 paying a
 smaller monthly amount.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote:

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

> Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

NA, North America.  You see it a billion times a day I'm sure.  That's my
guess *shrug*.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Yep, Thanks for correcting that... not sure why I keep calling it ITNA. !
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:45:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>
> ITFA, but that's correct.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on
>> Internet in your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of
>> kindness by your State's Tax Authority !
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>>
>> Same in NY.
>>
>> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet.  We don't care.
>> Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and
>> remove the sales tax to increase revenue.  Customers will just be happy to
>> be paying a smaller monthly amount.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html
>>>
>>> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

It's a bit of a circular conversation about what came first, the chicken or the 
egg... 

Let's just leave it as follows:- 
States Tax Telecom Services 
There was a debate about Internet being a Telecom Service... 
Some States specifically Taxed Internet Services.. (This fight took place 
during the time when folks thought internet was Compusource and AOL) 
At Some point in time Feds decided Internet was not Telecom Service.. 
Some States after watching the other states collect taxes on the internet 
decided to start taxing internet. 
At some point Feds decided to keep Internet Tax Free 
States started to get picky about what is Internet and what is a communication 
pipe, cause a lot of them re-did their definitions of what is taxable 
Here the ILECs were getting a free ride, while ISP's were getting screwed... 
(e.g. State of Florida change their definitions where two tin cans tied with a 
string would be considered a Communication Service and be subject to taxes) 
Feds finally updated ITFA and clarified that ITFA includes internet and any 
'pipe' carrying internet service to be tax exempt. 
During all this time ITFA was an exemption for a certain period of time, at 
every term end, it kept getting kicked down the road... 
SO... FINALLY it is nice to see this becoming PERMANENT ! 

So how you view where your State falls in this timeline of things, is up to you 

As they say, Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder ! 

... .Heading back to the pool so that I can continue working on my Florida 
Sunshine Tan ! 

LOL ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:45:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

> I don't know about Ohio. New York doesn't have sales tax on any services, 
> except
> for specific exceptions. There has never been a tax on internet access
> herebut for example there has always been a tax on VOIP because phone
> service is one of the specific exceptions.

> It's certainly not a kindness. New York gets their money. You pay them more 
> than
> you pay the feds.

> On 2/11/2016 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on Internet in
>> your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of kindness by 
>> your
>> State's Tax Authority !

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

>>> Same in NY.

>>> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.

 Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and 
 remove
 the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers will just be happy to be 
 paying a
 smaller monthly amount.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote:

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

> Travis

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

. I had to look this up in the deep annals of my brain's storage deck. 

ITNA = Internet Taxation Nondiscrimination Act 

Was the original name , which was later changed to 

ITFA = Internet Taxation Freedom Act. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:54:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

> NA, North America. You see it a billion times a day I'm sure. That's my guess
> *shrug*.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Yep, Thanks for correcting that... not sure why I keep calling it ITNA. !

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:45:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

>>> ITFA, but that's correct.

>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373

>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>>> wrote:

 I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on Internet 
 in
 your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of kindness by 
 your
 State's Tax Authority !

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

> Same in NY.

> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet. We don't care.
>> Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and 
>> remove
>> the sales tax to increase revenue. Customers will just be happy to be 
>> paying a
>> smaller monthly amount.

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote:

>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

>>> Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

>>> Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad equipment
has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm
extremely satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works.  I
added the qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit
of a beta tester.  It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's
getting better all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would
have liked.

2 cents

-Sean

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:

> It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at
> it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current users,
> Gino? Etc
>
> They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic
> EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else, but if
> you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it may
> pincel out for me...
>
> So what's the word ?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad equipment
> has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm
> extremely satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works.  I
> added the qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit
> of a beta tester.  It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's
> getting better all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would
> have liked.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking
>> at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current
>> users, Gino? Etc
>>
>> They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the
>> basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else,
>> but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it
>> may pincel out for me...
>>
>> So what's the word ?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

LTE

On Thursday, February 11, 2016, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:
>
>> We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad equipment
>> has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm
>> extremely satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works.  I
>> added the qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit
>> of a beta tester.  It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's
>> getting better all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would
>> have liked.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout > > wrote:
>>
>>> It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking
>>> at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current
>>> users, Gino? Etc
>>>
>>> They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the
>>> basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else,
>>> but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it
>>> may pincel out for me...
>>>
>>> So what's the word ?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes

2016-02-11 Thread Cameron Crum

Texas is the worst for this as it is not just a flat rate. It is taxed only
AFTER the first $25. Obviously they made the rule when dialup was like
$19.95/month and didn't think it was ever going to be taxed. Here we are
now with this crappy rule and having to figure tax differently on internet
than everything else.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> . I had to look this up in the deep annals of my brain's storage
> deck.
>
> ITNA = Internet Taxation Nondiscrimination Act
>
> Was the original name , which was later changed to
>
> ITFA = Internet Taxation Freedom Act.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:54:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>
> NA, North America.  You see it a billion times a day I'm sure.  That's my
> guess *shrug*.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep, Thanks for correcting that... not sure why I keep calling it ITNA. !
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:45:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>>
>> ITFA, but that's correct.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope that you two realize that the reason you don't have Tax on
>>> Internet in your State is because of ITNA, and it is not some other act of
>>> kindness by your State's Tax Authority !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:21:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] No State or Local Taxes
>>>
>>> Same in NY.
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2016 3:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ohio residents don't have sales tax on Internet.  We don't care.
>>> Though I feel like the telco/cableco will probably increase BS fees and
>>> remove the sales tax to increase revenue.  Customers will just be happy to
>>> be paying a smaller monthly amount.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/congress-likely-to-give-final-ok-to-local-internet-tax-ban/2016/02/11/7f987e5c-d09b-11e5-90d3-34c2c42653ac_story.html

 Finally some good news for the ISP's in the country!!

 Travis


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] ePMP GUI - A general error has occured

Has anyone seen this before?  I tried doing an update with my phone and it
clearly didn't like it.  I did a GUI reboot and the login page had that
error and denied me entry.

I fixed it by issuing a 'reboot' via SSH.

Update went through with my laptop just fine.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Andreas Wiatowski

I’ll pipe in.

We were/are an early adopter of LTE.  I can tell you that buying into the 
Telrad system has been a very good move for us.  As of today, almost 450 
Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and 3.65Ghz.  We have a total 
build commitment consisting of 70 sectors and 2 EPC cores on our network.  From 
there…who knows.

We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to Back frequency reuse using 2 
eNodeB’s in split mode.  Once we fill it up, we will deploy additional AP’s and 
continue to fill…..then once MU-Mimo is running we will double our subscriber 
possibility.

Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS, we have complete visibility into 
our UE’s and infrastructure.  The piece we need to get integrated is Powercode 
and the EPC.

Was the LTE piece sold too early???…YES… Is it ready for commercial deployment 
now?….YES.  Because of early adoption, we certainly appreciate the features and 
stability of the platform and EPC at this point. Thanks to other customers that 
adopted early, like us, many bugs and issues have been resolved.
Another point to remember is that the technology has been heavily deployed by 
National Carriers in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion…the hardware is hardened and 
works well in extremely cold temperatures and heat….and lightning resilient 
because of field proven/hardened components.

LTE is absolute magic…. Our installers are loving a working, predictable 
platform now that we have a strong understanding of capabilities and I love the 
fact that new features are a software upgrade away. We are filling our 
schedules with customers that have been waiting a long time for our deployment. 
 I can tell you we wasted a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I am 
very happy with our decision to go with Telrad.

Also, kudos to Telrad.  They have been absolutely terrific on the customer 
service front too…we had some very weird issues just before Christmas, they 
sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week in the field diagnosing 
problems and solving them. Most of the problems were related to outside 
interference and on tower interference.  This field diagnosing and knowledge 
level that Guy has in the product definitely instilled confidence in the 
product and sealed my faith in the decision I made to move forward with them.



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: February 11, 2016 4:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad equipment has 
been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm extremely 
satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works.  I added the 
qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit of a beta 
tester.  It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's getting better 
all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would have liked.

2 cents

-Sean


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at it 
for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current users, Gino? 
Etc

They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic EPC. 
$285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else, but if you can 
truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it may pincel out for 
me...

So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP GUI - A general error has occured

I have seen that, but I don't remember exactly when or what happened... I
think it was when I was trying to update an AP that was acting up from the
cold weather thing, I think I power cycled it to fix it.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Has anyone seen this before?  I tried doing an update with my phone and it
> clearly didn't like it.  I did a GUI reboot and the login page had that
> error and denied me entry.
>
> I fixed it by issuing a 'reboot' via SSH.
>
> Update went through with my laptop just fine.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP GUI - A general error has occured

Did you try a reboot via SSH?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I have seen that, but I don't remember exactly when or what happened... I
> think it was when I was trying to update an AP that was acting up from the
> cold weather thing, I think I power cycled it to fix it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen this before?  I tried doing an update with my phone and
>> it clearly didn't like it.  I did a GUI reboot and the login page had that
>> error and denied me entry.
>>
>> I fixed it by issuing a 'reboot' via SSH.
>>
>> Update went through with my laptop just fine.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?

Thanks,

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

2016-02-11 Thread Sam Lambie

VHB Sticky tape

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.

http://poemounts.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> VHB Sticky tape
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

Thanks josh, that's what i was looking for!

whenever we've used sticky tape in the past it always falls off after a
couple years and it takes a layer of drywall with it :-/

Dear cambium,

can you please design and include a wall mount with your POE?

Thanks,

Sean


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.
>
> http://poemounts.com/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> VHB Sticky tape
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

Cambium hates doing accessories.  I wonder if we could find a company that
does a plastic mold and do a group buy or something?  Or maybe
POEmounts.com will do one that accommodates both thin/tall Cambium and
fat/wide Ubnt!?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Thanks josh, that's what i was looking for!
>
> whenever we've used sticky tape in the past it always falls off after a
> couple years and it takes a layer of drywall with it :-/
>
> Dear cambium,
>
> can you please design and include a wall mount with your POE?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.
>>
>> http://poemounts.com/
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> VHB Sticky tape
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?

 Thanks,

 -Sean

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

We use the Laird POE-24iR or iR-CI for Canopy. ePMP customers we just 
use the provided injector. ePTPs, etc. on the network gets either 
injection via PacketFlux or a micro site may just use the Laird's.


The Lairds are overkill on ePMP now that the integrated SM has been 
discontinued and the new Force180 doesn't have the secondary port w/ POE 
out. I told them to keep the secondary port on the 180 so we can use 
them to get LOS from a customer's outbuilding, grain bin, etc. and power 
the Canopy SM off of it. One power supply, customer doesn't get 
confused. But nobody listens to me.


On 2/11/2016 4:31 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.

http://poemounts.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:


VHB Sticky tape

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?

Thanks,

-Sean




-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Keefe John

I heard someone is launching something better than Telrad on Monday.  
We'll see what it is!


On 2/11/2016 4:12 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


I’ll pipe in.

We were/are an early adopter of LTE.  I can tell you that buying into 
the Telrad system has been a very good move for us.  As of today, 
almost 450 Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and 3.65Ghz.  
We have a total build commitment consisting of 70 sectors and 2 EPC 
cores on our network.  From there…who knows.


We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to Back frequency reuse 
using 2 eNodeB’s in split mode.  Once we fill it up, we will deploy 
additional AP’s and continue to fill…..then once MU-Mimo is running we 
will double our subscriber possibility.


Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS, we have complete 
visibility into our UE’s and infrastructure. The piece we need to get 
integrated is Powercode and the EPC.


Was the LTE piece sold too early???…YES… Is it ready for commercial 
deployment now?….YES.  Because of early adoption, we certainly 
appreciate the features and stability of the platform and EPC at this 
point. Thanks to other customers that adopted early, like us, many 
bugs and issues have been resolved.


Another point to remember is that the technology has been heavily 
deployed by National Carriers in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion…the 
hardware is hardened and works well in extremely cold temperatures and 
heat….and lightning resilient because of field proven/hardened 
components.


LTE is absolute magic…. Our installers are loving a working, 
predictable platform now that we have a strong understanding of 
capabilities and I love the fact that new features are a software 
upgrade away. We are filling our schedules with customers that have 
been waiting a long time for our deployment.  I can tell you we wasted 
a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I am very happy with 
our decision to go with Telrad.


Also, kudos to Telrad.  They have been absolutely terrific on the 
customer service front too…we had some very weird issues just before 
Christmas, they sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week 
in the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the 
problems were related to outside interference and on tower 
interference.  This field diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has 
in the product definitely instilled confidence in the product and 
sealed my faith in the decision I made to move forward with them.


Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* February 11, 2016 4:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad
equipment has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried
in trees. I'm extremely satisfied with the performance of the
system...when it works.  I added the qualifier of "when it works"
because I feel like we've been a bit of a beta tester.  It's a
very new product on the bleeding edge and it's getting better all
the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would have liked.


2 cents

-Sean


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold,
seriously looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to get
some feedback from current users, Gino? Etc

They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors
and the basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune
compared to anything else, but if you can truly reach many
more customers and load the aps higher it may pincel out for me...

So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Keefe John

Chartered to spearhead the North American entry of a well-funded, new 
market entrant. Founded by several of the wireless telecommunications 
industry's top scientists and executives, the company, barely a year 
old, has already won awards for innovation by a top American-based 
global silicon company. Our technology has already earned network 
validation and approval by one of the largest mobile carriers on the 
planet. The time is right to introduce ourselves North American 
customers, who are hungry for solutions that will allow them to leverage 
the emerging LTE future without blowing up their business models.


On 2/11/2016 4:46 PM, Keefe John wrote:
I heard someone is launching something better than Telrad on Monday.  
We'll see what it is!


On 2/11/2016 4:12 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


I’ll pipe in.

We were/are an early adopter of LTE.  I can tell you that buying into 
the Telrad system has been a very good move for us.  As of today, 
almost 450 Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and 
3.65Ghz.  We have a total build commitment consisting of 70 sectors 
and 2 EPC cores on our network.  From there…who knows.


We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to Back frequency reuse 
using 2 eNodeB’s in split mode.  Once we fill it up, we will deploy 
additional AP’s and continue to fill…..then once MU-Mimo is running 
we will double our subscriber possibility.


Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS, we have complete 
visibility into our UE’s and infrastructure.  The piece we need to 
get integrated is Powercode and the EPC.


Was the LTE piece sold too early???…YES… Is it ready for commercial 
deployment now?….YES.  Because of early adoption, we certainly 
appreciate the features and stability of the platform and EPC at this 
point. Thanks to other customers that adopted early, like us, many 
bugs and issues have been resolved.


Another point to remember is that the technology has been heavily 
deployed by National Carriers in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion…the 
hardware is hardened and works well in extremely cold temperatures 
and heat….and lightning resilient because of field proven/hardened 
components.


LTE is absolute magic…. Our installers are loving a working, 
predictable platform now that we have a strong understanding of 
capabilities and I love the fact that new features are a software 
upgrade away. We are filling our schedules with customers that have 
been waiting a long time for our deployment.  I can tell you we 
wasted a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I am very 
happy with our decision to go with Telrad.


Also, kudos to Telrad.  They have been absolutely terrific on the 
customer service front too…we had some very weird issues just before 
Christmas, they sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a 
week in the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the 
problems were related to outside interference and on tower 
interference.  This field diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has 
in the product definitely instilled confidence in the product and 
sealed my faith in the decision I made to move forward with them.


Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* February 11, 2016 4:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad
equipment has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried
in trees. I'm extremely satisfied with the performance of the
system...when it works.  I added the qualifier of "when it works"
because I feel like we've been a bit of a beta tester.  It's a
very new product on the bleeding edge and it's getting better all
the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would have liked.


2 cents

-Sean


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:

It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold,
seriously looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to
get some feedback from current users, Gino? Etc

They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors
and the basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune
compared to anything else, but if you can truly reach many
more customers and load the aps higher it may pincel out for
me...

So what's the word ?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

We tried that with Ubnt and got burned, too many hassles.  Just run two
cables.

Also I think he's asking how to mount the POE, not which one to use...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:45 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> We use the Laird POE-24iR or iR-CI for Canopy. ePMP customers we just use
> the provided injector. ePTPs, etc. on the network gets either injection via
> PacketFlux or a micro site may just use the Laird's.
>
> The Lairds are overkill on ePMP now that the integrated SM has been
> discontinued and the new Force180 doesn't have the secondary port w/ POE
> out. I told them to keep the secondary port on the 180 so we can use them
> to get LOS from a customer's outbuilding, grain bin, etc. and power the
> Canopy SM off of it. One power supply, customer doesn't get confused. But
> nobody listens to me.
>
> On 2/11/2016 4:31 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.
>
> http://poemounts.com/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> VHB Sticky tape
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett < 
>> af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount


On 2/11/2016 4:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We tried that with Ubnt and got burned, too many hassles.  Just run 
two cables.


Seems to work just fine on the old integrated radios. UBNT had a bad 
hardware design that resulted in failure. Pretty sure Cambium learned 
from that when designing ePMP.



Also I think he's asking how to mount the POE, not which one to use...


The Laird's are a bit more expensive, but have integrated mounting. And 
we've seen the benefits of the built-in surge suppression. Has saved 
quite a few radios already.


Just my opinion.

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Andreas Wiatowski

Interesting Well,  since LTE is standards based any investment made is well 
protected... Especially on the UE front.



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax 
+1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138


 Original message 
From: Keefe John 
Date: 2016-02-11 5:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Chartered to spearhead the North American entry of a well-funded, new market 
entrant. Founded by several of the wireless telecommunications industry's top 
scientists and executives, the company, barely a year old, has already won 
awards for innovation by a top American-based global silicon company. Our 
technology has already earned network validation and approval by one of the 
largest mobile carriers on the planet. The time is right to introduce ourselves 
North American customers, who are hungry for solutions that will allow them to 
leverage the emerging LTE future without blowing up their business models.

On 2/11/2016 4:46 PM, Keefe John wrote:
I heard someone is launching something better than Telrad on Monday.  We'll see 
what it is!

On 2/11/2016 4:12 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
I'll pipe in.

We were/are an early adopter of LTE.  I can tell you that buying into the 
Telrad system has been a very good move for us.  As of today, almost 450 
Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and 3.65Ghz.  We have a total 
build commitment consisting of 70 sectors and 2 EPC cores on our network.  From 
there...who knows.

We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to Back frequency reuse using 2 
eNodeB's in split mode.  Once we fill it up, we will deploy additional AP's and 
continue to fill.then once MU-Mimo is running we will double our subscriber 
possibility.

Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS, we have complete visibility into 
our UE's and infrastructure.  The piece we need to get integrated is Powercode 
and the EPC.

Was the LTE piece sold too early???...YES... Is it ready for commercial 
deployment now?YES.  Because of early adoption, we certainly appreciate the 
features and stability of the platform and EPC at this point. Thanks to other 
customers that adopted early, like us, many bugs and issues have been resolved.
Another point to remember is that the technology has been heavily deployed by 
National Carriers in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion...the hardware is hardened 
and works well in extremely cold temperatures and heatand lightning 
resilient because of field proven/hardened components.

LTE is absolute magic Our installers are loving a working, predictable 
platform now that we have a strong understanding of capabilities and I love the 
fact that new features are a software upgrade away. We are filling our 
schedules with customers that have been waiting a long time for our deployment. 
 I can tell you we wasted a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I am 
very happy with our decision to go with Telrad.

Also, kudos to Telrad.  They have been absolutely terrific on the customer 
service front too...we had some very weird issues just before Christmas, they 
sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week in the field diagnosing 
problems and solving them. Most of the problems were related to outside 
interference and on tower interference.  This field diagnosing and knowledge 
level that Guy has in the product definitely instilled confidence in the 
product and sealed my faith in the decision I made to move forward with them.



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: February 11, 2016 4:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz.  However the telrad equipment has 
been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm extremely 
satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works.  I added the 
qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit of a beta 
tester.  It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's getting better 
all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would have liked.

2 cents

-Sean


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP GUI - A general error has occured

I may have... it might have even worked...
I don't remember for sure, it was awhile ago.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did you try a reboot via SSH?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I have seen that, but I don't remember exactly when or what happened... I
>> think it was when I was trying to update an AP that was acting up from the
>> cold weather thing, I think I power cycled it to fix it.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone seen this before?  I tried doing an update with my phone and
>>> it clearly didn't like it.  I did a GUI reboot and the login page had that
>>> error and denied me entry.
>>>
>>> I fixed it by issuing a 'reboot' via SSH.
>>>
>>> Update went through with my laptop just fine.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount

2016-02-11 Thread Stefan Englhardt



For UBNT there is a mount 
platehttp://www.eurodk.com/en/products/ubiquiti-power-adapters/poe-wall-mount-accessory


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman  
Datum: 11.02.2016  23:38  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM POE wall mount 

Cambium hates doing accessories.  I wonder if we could find a company that does 
a plastic mold and do a group buy or something?  Or maybe POEmounts.com will do 
one that accommodates both thin/tall Cambium and fat/wide Ubnt!?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
Thanks josh, that's what i was looking for!
whenever we've used sticky tape in the past it always falls off after a couple 
years and it takes a layer of drywall with it :-/
Dear cambium,
can you please design and include a wall mount with your POE?
Thanks,
Sean

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
It doesn't snap in very securely, but it's better than nothing.
http://poemounts.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
VHB Sticky tape

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
what is everyone using to mount the POE brick to the wall?
Thanks,
-Sean



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Taosnet Wireless Tech.

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www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence

2016-02-11 Thread Christopher Gray

I thought new locations could not be registered under an existing NN
licence.

Can they? If you have an NN licence, can you still deploy new APs at new
locations, and new SMs?



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc
> territory cant you?
>
> Are there any stipulations on the transfer?
>
> would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any
> new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some
> unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered
> transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy
> preferably. lien lien lien
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish  > wrote:
>
>> TJ,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses.
>> Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick Harnish*
>>
>> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>>
>> 260-307-4000 cell
>>
>> Skype: rick.harnish.
>>
>> Twitter: @rharnish
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
>>
>>
>>
>> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with
>> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the
>> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone
>> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name
>> in a data base ?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?

2016-02-11 Thread Gino Villarini

who?

Sent from Outlook Mobile




On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:47 PM -0800, "Keefe John"  
wrote:











  

  
  
Chartered
  to spearhead the North American entry of a well-funded, new market
  entrant. Founded by several of the wireless telecommunications
  industry's top scientists and executives, the company, barely a
  year old, has already won awards for innovation by a top
  American-based global silicon company. Our technology has already
  earned network validation and approval by one of the largest
  mobile carriers on the planet. The time is right to introduce
  ourselves North American customers, who are hungry for solutions
  that will allow them to leverage the emerging LTE future without
  blowing up their business models.



On 2/11/2016 4:46 PM, Keefe John wrote:



  
  I heard someone is launching something better than Telrad on
  Monday.  We'll see what it is!

  

  On 2/11/2016 4:12 PM, Andreas
Wiatowski wrote:

  
  




  

I’ll pipe in.  
  

 
  

We were/are an early adopter of LTE.  I can
  tell you that buying into the Telrad system has been a
  very good move for us.  As of today, almost 450
  Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and
  3.65Ghz.  We have a total build commitment consisting of
  70 sectors and 2 EPC cores on our network.  From there…who
  knows.  
  

 
  

We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to
  Back frequency reuse using 2 eNodeB’s in split mode.  Once
  we fill it up, we will deploy additional AP’s and continue
  to fill…..then once MU-Mimo is running we will double our
  subscriber possibility.
  

 
  

Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS,
  we have complete visibility into our UE’s and
  infrastructure.  The piece we need to get integrated is
  Powercode and the EPC.
  

 
  

Was the LTE piece sold too early???…YES… Is
  it ready for commercial deployment now?….YES.  Because of
  early adoption, we certainly appreciate the features and
  stability of the platform and EPC at this point. Thanks to
  other customers that adopted early, like us, many bugs and
  issues have been resolved.  
  

Another point to remember is that the
  technology has been heavily deployed by National Carriers
  in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion…the hardware is hardened
  and works well in extremely cold temperatures and
  heat….and lightning resilient because of field
  proven/hardened components. 
  

 
  

LTE is absolute magic…. Our installers are
  loving a working, predictable platform now that we have a
  strong understanding of capabilities and I love the fact
  that new features are a software upgrade away. We are
  filling our schedules with customers that have been
  waiting a long time for our deployment.  I can tell you we
  wasted a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I
  am very happy with our decision to go with Telrad.
  

 
  

Also, kudos to Telrad.  They have been
  absolutely terrific on the customer service front too…we
  had some very weird issues just before Christmas, they
  sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week in
  the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of
  the problems were related to outside interference and on
  tower interference.  This field diagnosing and knowledge
  level that Guy has in the product definitely instilled
  confidence in the product and sealed my faith in the
  decision I made to move forward with them.  
  

 
  

 
  

 
  

Cheers,
  

__
  

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
  

Silo Wireless Inc.
  

Email  andr...@silowireless.com
  

19 Sage Court
  

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
  

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax
  +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138
  

 
  

From: Af
  [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

  Sent: February 11, 2016 4:17 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $?
  

 
  


Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad,
  Sean?

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence