Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa Autoeverything

[Rory Conaway]

Sometimes it helps to flip the AP and station.

Rory


 Original message 
From: Stefan Englhardt 
Date: 3/4/2016 11:35 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa Autoeverything

Seemed to work for me with 1.3.0. But tonight it selected used channels and got 
bad packet loss.
I had to overrule the selection this morning.
Instead of help with interference it makes things worse.

[AFMUG] Mimosa Autoeverything

[Stefan Englhardt]

Seemed to work for me with 1.3.0. But tonight it selected used channels and got 
bad packet loss.

I had to overrule the selection this morning.

Instead of help with interference it makes things worse.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[Rory Conaway]

We have a hotel we are working on that had about 4Mbps for the entire hotel and 
was functionally unusable after 4pm.  Dropped the Barracuda in there and 
blocked all video streaming.  The funny part was that it wasn’t NetFlix 
streaming causing the issue.  Everybody can surf, do VoIP, and get emails now 
until we get more bandwidth in there.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

I almost did, till I found a report that will work for explaining to a very 
stubborn owner that thinks any connection will work.

On 3/4/2016 9:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Make one ... ;-)

From: David Milholen
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much capacity he 
needs per person or entire operation.
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

in the below discussion - what are you thoughts in detail on this?

> way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added 
> factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the 
> productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is 
> paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in 
> jobs per day.


Thanks!


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance


  There does seem to be a disconnect between the office staff and the 
  field staff regarding how long something should take.

  Ben Royer wrote:
  > Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company, 
  > and it’s interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic 
  > brought up by both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is 
  > always made that the allotted time frame for a job is not sufficient, 
  > IE: jobs always take longer than scheduled.  Scheduling argues that it 
  > is, however we need to operate more efficiently while doing the job, 
  > IE: get there on time, cut down on chit chat, have all your equipment 
  > needed, etc.  The calendar has been setup based on 16 years of 
  > experience of doing installs, and it’s an average based time frame.  
  > Granted, this time frame was increased when we started doing more 
  > grounding, etc. Currently, we allow for 2 hour windows, where we 
  > typically schedule a morning job, and and afternoon job, both are 
  > installs, then we squeeze in repairs or other onsites after their 
  > first morning job, or after their afternoon job, or we schedule two 
  > fixes, one install in a day, or other combinations.  It’s a very 
  > specific structure that our dispatching department follows.  On 
  > average, I’d say our guys complete 2 installs and 1 fix a day, but 
  > some guys are a little quicker than others.  Each job is different, so 
  > as I am often reminding both the techs and dispatch, there’s no sure 
  > way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added 
  > factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the 
  > productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is 
  > paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in 
  > jobs per day.
  > Thank you,
  > Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  > Royell Communications, Inc.
  > 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
  > *From:* John Woodfield 
  > *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:56 AM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
  > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
  >
  > How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with 
  > a single-man crew?
  >
  > John Woodfield, President
  >
  > Delmarva WiFi Inc.
  >
  > 410-870-WiFi
  >

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, she is crazy, or just as bad, incredibly stupid.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education calling
> Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!  Of
> course in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest
> workers.   She is far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe
> bullshit?  Remember military exercises held in Texas where these wackos
> thought their guns were going to be taken away and then sent to camps like
> we did to our people during WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.
> On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism,
>> advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and
>> created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between
>> capitalism and socialism.  Motivation.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.
>> Unfortunately I don't have time right now but later.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> You mean countries like...
>>
>> Denmark
>> Finland
>> Netherlands
>> Canada
>> Sweden
>> Norway
>> Ireland
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did
>> were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.
>>
>> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to
>> finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing
>> (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people deserve this
>> thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a
>> sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain surgeon who has
>> written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is kind of an idiot
>> outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, and Clinton is -
>> simply scary.
>>
>> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> sandwich" (technical term)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >
>> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
>> > rans
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
>> was nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
>> record of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
>> about the candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
>> Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or
>> otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United
>> States senator,” he added."
>> > from:
>> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
>> > anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>> >
>> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> much likes working with Sanders.
>> >
>> > Signed,
>> >
>> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[David Milholen]

I almost did, till I found a report that will work for explaining to a 
very stubborn owner that thinks any connection will work.



On 3/4/2016 9:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Make one ... ;-)
*From:* David Milholen 
*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 8:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison
I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much 
capacity he needs per person or entire operation.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[David Milholen]

I found this report to explain to some of these private owners that you 
can no longer expect serve based on each room or that no one is going to 
"Really" use the wifi.



On 3/4/2016 10:04 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Even the smallest properties (40 rooms) that we serve need a minimum 
100mbps.  We sell them a 200mbps connection tho to handle their busy 
season (we are in a ski resort town)


-Sean


On Friday, March 4, 2016, David Milholen > wrote:


I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much
capacity he needs per person or entire operation.

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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[Sean Heskett]

Even the smallest properties (40 rooms) that we serve need a minimum
100mbps.  We sell them a 200mbps connection tho to handle their busy season
(we are in a ski resort town)

-Sean


On Friday, March 4, 2016, David Milholen  wrote:

> I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much capacity he
> needs per person or entire operation.
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[Chuck McCown]

Make one ... ;-)

From: David Milholen 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much capacity he 
needs per person or entire operation.


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[AFMUG] Bandwidth needs chart for hotel comparison

[David Milholen]

I am looking for a chart that will show a Hotel owner how much capacity 
he needs per person or entire operation.


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Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jaime Solorza]

As we have seen Presidents don't change society very easily .. even if
Sanders wanted he could not make us a socialist country... Lots feared
Obama would make us super liberal...hell Congress blocked everything do
nothing Congress with lowest ratings  ..why?  Ask the question in another
way.  If he were white it would have been different... no birther
pendejadasno questioning if he is American I grew up in a very
volatile era...I
On Mar 4, 2016 7:50 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Socialism. Don't get me wrong, I don't want it either, but face the facts.
> We are already a hell of alot more socialist than I ever thought we would
> be. We have more entitlements than many socialist countries. OK, I have no
> idea if we do but it sure as hell feels like it.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 10:43 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
>> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>>
>> ---
>>
>> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
>> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
>> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
>> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
>> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
>> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
>> he added."
>> from:
>> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>>
>> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> much likes working with Sanders.
>>
>> Signed,
>>
>> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
>> it.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
>> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
>> >> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
>> >> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>> >> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
>> >> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>> >> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
>> >> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
>> >> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>> >> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> >> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for
>> him.
>> >> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
>> >> >>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
>> >> >>> thinks she deserves to be President.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
>> >> >>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
>> >> >>> independent. It is hard to 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Adam Moffett]

"the United States [...] created the industrial revolution "

I'm not taking a stance on the political discussion.  Just pointing out 
that the industrial revolution started in England, specifically in the 
textile industry.  It was illegal to export their machinery or even 
drawings of the machinery because it was such an advantage.  Samuel 
Slater was considered a traitor to England for building similar process 
equipment here after studying the machines in England and then emigrating.




We might have embraced and expanded the ideas...like a Microsoft to 
England's Apple.



But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism, advanced 
the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and created the 
industrial revolution.  That's the difference between capitalism and socialism. 
 Motivation.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Lewis Bergman]

Both sides have plenty to be blamed for concerning the VA. No better
example of a single payer system. Seriously, do we think making it bigger
will help? The VA has been a mess for decades and nobody wants to fix it
because nobody wants to die anyone over it.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 8:50 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Socialism. Don't get me wrong, I don't want it either, but face the facts.
> We are already a hell of alot more socialist than I ever thought we would
> be. We have more entitlements than many socialist countries. OK, I have no
> idea if we do but it sure as hell feels like it.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 10:43 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
>> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>>
>> ---
>>
>> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
>> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
>> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
>> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
>> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
>> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
>> he added."
>> from:
>> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>>
>> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> much likes working with Sanders.
>>
>> Signed,
>>
>> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
>> it.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
>> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
>> >> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
>> >> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>> >> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
>> >> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>> >> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
>> >> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
>> >> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>> >> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> >> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for
>> him.
>> >> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
>> >> >>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
>> >> >>> thinks she deserves to be President.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
>> >> >>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
>> >> >>> independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
>> >> >>> come forward to serve.
>> >> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I
>> >> >>> am afraid that doesn't say a 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Lewis Bergman]

Socialism. Don't get me wrong, I don't want it either, but face the facts.
We are already a hell of alot more socialist than I ever thought we would
be. We have more entitlements than many socialist countries. OK, I have no
idea if we do but it sure as hell feels like it.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 10:43 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
> he added."
> from:
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
> >> >
> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
> >> >
> >> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
> >> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
> >> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
> >> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
> >> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
> >> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
> >> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
> >> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
> >> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
> >> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for
> him.
> >> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
> >> >>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
> >> >>> thinks she deserves to be President.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
> >> >>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
> >> >>> independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
> >> >>> come forward to serve.
> >> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I
> >> >>> am afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds  >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oh, forgot:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Google's most searched for policy issues
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Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The long skinny expensive 12V AGM telecom batteries are designed in such a
way that there's no top terminals to drop a wrench on. Front facing
terminals.
On Mar 4, 2016 4:22 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I suspect this is one benefit of many outdoor telco cabinets with separate
> battery compartments.
>
> On 3/4/2016 5:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> Dead short fuse of last resort type of fuse.  Just to save your butt when
>> doing wiring and you drop a wrench across some terminals.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've never seen a low voltage disconnect on telecom rectifier + float
battery setups. It's assumed that for a backbone ISP POP that you will have
an auto start generator.

Or that you would rather drain your batteries all the way to dead, damaging
them, but keeping the equipment online as long as possible (customer SLAs
and hoping the grid power restores itself before the battery string is
toast).
On Mar 4, 2016 2:19 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> thats weird, it leaves no space for lvd
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM -0800,  wrote:
>
> Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or
>> circuit breaker panel.
>> Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit breaker.
>> If you do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the max output
>> of the rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power outage the
>> batts will max out the rectifier current.
>>
>> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?
>>
>>
>> Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek
>> rectifier product using these products:
>>
>>
>>
>> CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL
>> OUTPUT POLARITY
>>
>> BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/
>> CLEI
>>
>> V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT:
>> 90-264VAC
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was
>> expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of
>> those batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I
>> totally wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to
>> this power shelf :/
>>
>>
>>
>> Noob out,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Chuck McCown]

More for keeping battery gasses away from the expensive stuff.  

-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 5:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh? 

I suspect this is one benefit of many outdoor telco cabinets with 
separate battery compartments.


On 3/4/2016 5:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dead short fuse of last resort type of fuse.  Just to save your butt 
when doing wiring and you drop a wrench across some terminals.

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[George Skorup]

I suspect this is one benefit of many outdoor telco cabinets with 
separate battery compartments.


On 3/4/2016 5:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dead short fuse of last resort type of fuse.  Just to save your butt 
when doing wiring and you drop a wrench across some terminals.

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Jon Langeler]

Just changed to 6 and lowered the price...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Mar 4, 2016, at 4:59 PM, John Woodfield  wrote:
> 
> Just one?
>  
>  
>  
> John Woodfield, President
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
> 410-870-WiFi
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 4:22pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs
> 
> Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
> eBay item: 222026976697
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[chuck]

Never hurts to have a big ass fuse between the batts and everything.  Twice the 
size of your rectifier output.
 
Dead short fuse of last resort type of fuse.  Just to save your butt when doing 
wiring and you drop a wrench across some terminals.  

In some battery plants I installed, we had these nice large knife switches with 
a big cartridge fuses built into the knife part.  Allowed you to take the batts 
off line if you want.  Nice to do if you are doing batter wiring, like 
replacing a cell or something.  

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

+1 for Chuck, Eltek guy was kind enough to provide this explains it all PDF.

 

`S

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

 

You connect the batts and the load and the rectifier all in parallel.  It 
should be set for giving you 54-55 VDC out.

 

If the load, rectifier and batts are all on the same parallel circuit, then 
when the power is out, the batts provide the load current.  When the power 
comes back on the rectifier powers the load and charges the batts.  

 

 

 

From: Scott Vander Dussen 

Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

 

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

 

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY

BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI

V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

 

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

 

Noob out,

Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

+1 for Chuck, Eltek guy was kind enough to provide this explains it all PDF.

`S

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

You connect the batts and the load and the rectifier all in parallel.  It 
should be set for giving you 54-55 VDC out.

If the load, rectifier and batts are all on the same parallel circuit, then 
when the power is out, the batts provide the load current.  When the power 
comes back on the rectifier powers the load and charges the batts.



From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY
BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

Noob out,
Scott


Compact G Sketch.pdf
Description: Compact G Sketch.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

[Ken Hohhof]

I definitely could not get a qualified installer to do wireless installs while 
supplying his own vehicle, gas, tools and insurance for $50 per install.

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

On contract around $50 an install.

 

But that is for fiber, for wireless its probably more because you have to climb 
a roof and mount an antenna.

Years ago was about $65 a job.

 

We supply installation materials, and the contractor has all their own stuff to 
get there and do the install.

The contractor schedules directly with the customer.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

 

How are you compensating your installers? Hourly/salary/amount?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

[chuck]

Sterling, you got any installers that want to do fiber installs for that 
figure?  If so, let me tap into that source.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

On contract around $50 an install.

 

But that is for fiber, for wireless its probably more because you have to climb 
a roof and mount an antenna.

Years ago was about $65 a job.

 

We supply installation materials, and the contractor has all their own stuff to 
get there and do the install.

The contractor schedules directly with the customer.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

 

How are you compensating your installers? Hourly/salary/amount?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Pay

[Sterling Jacobson]

On contract around $50 an install.

But that is for fiber, for wireless its probably more because you have to climb 
a roof and mount an antenna.
Years ago was about $65 a job.

We supply installation materials, and the contractor has all their own stuff to 
get there and do the install.
The contractor schedules directly with the customer.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Pay


How are you compensating your installers? Hourly/salary/amount?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[chuck]

LVDs are mixed blessings.  Many folks don’t use them any more.  Especially if 
you have a back up generator.
If the LVD trips, then it generally requires a truck roll when the power comes 
back on because things in a larger NOC do not always gracefully recover from 
having their power interrupted without warning.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

thats weird, it leaves no space for lvd 


Sent from Outlook Mobile





On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM -0800,  wrote:


  Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or 
circuit breaker panel.
  Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit breaker.  If 
you do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the max output of the 
rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power outage the batts will 
max out the rectifier current.

  From: Scott Vander Dussen 
  Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

  Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

   

  CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY

  BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI

  V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

   

  It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

   

  Noob out,

  Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Ken Hohhof]

Probably where a product like that is intended to be used, you’re just never 
going to run the batteries all the way down.  Lots of batteries, and a backup 
generator.  If the generator fails or runs out of fuel and no one fixes it 
before the batteries are at 0%, there is no sentient life remaining on Earth, 
or at least some damaged batteries are the least of your problems.  Like 
Hurricane Katrina where they couldn’t refuel the diesel generators in the 
highrise datacenter buildings.


From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

Use a relay?

On Mar 4, 2016 4:19 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  thats weird, it leaves no space for lvd 


  Sent from Outlook Mobile





  On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM -0800,  wrote:


Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or 
circuit breaker panel.
Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit breaker.  If 
you do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the max output of the 
rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power outage the batts will 
max out the rectifier current.

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek 
rectifier product using these products:



CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY

BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI

V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC



It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/



Noob out,

Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Josh Reynolds]

Use a relay?
On Mar 4, 2016 4:19 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> thats weird, it leaves no space for lvd
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM -0800,  wrote:
>
> Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or
>> circuit breaker panel.
>> Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit breaker.
>> If you do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the max output
>> of the rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power outage the
>> batts will max out the rectifier current.
>>
>> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?
>>
>>
>> Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek
>> rectifier product using these products:
>>
>>
>>
>> CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL
>> OUTPUT POLARITY
>>
>> BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/
>> CLEI
>>
>> V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT:
>> 90-264VAC
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was
>> expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of
>> those batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I
>> totally wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to
>> this power shelf :/
>>
>>
>>
>> Noob out,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Gino Villarini]

thats weird, it leaves no space for lvd 

Sent from Outlook Mobile




On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM -0800,  wrote:


















Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or 
circuit breaker panel.
Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit 
breaker.  If you do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the 
max output of the rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power 
outage the batts will max out the rectifier current.


 

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?
 




Trying 
to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:


 


CG1S-AUN-VC 
COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY


BC2000-A01-10VC 
48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ 
CLEI


V0750A-VC 
RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC


 


It 
seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this 
power shelf :/


 


Noob 
out,


Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[chuck]

Frequently the rectifier and batts both go to the bus bar in the fuse or 
circuit breaker panel.
Some folks feed both the rectifier and batts through a circuit breaker.  If you 
do that you need to make sure the breaker can handle the max output of the 
rectifer or more.  When there has been an extended power outage the batts will 
max out the rectifier current.

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

 

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY

BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI

V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

 

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

 

Noob out,

Scott

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[John Woodfield]

Just one?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jon Langeler" 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 4:22pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs



Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
eBay item: 222026976697

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The general idea is that the rectifier maintains a -48 battery string at
float voltage, and the load runs off the batteries. that's your ups
functionality.

-48 not actually being 48, of course, float voltage for an AGM string is
2.25V per cell. More typically the 2v cells are in 12V units, those wired
in series to achieve 48.

So (2.25 x 6) x 4 = 54VDC thereabouts
On Mar 4, 2016 12:26 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"  wrote:

> Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek
> rectifier product using these products:
>
>
>
> CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL
> OUTPUT POLARITY
>
> BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
>
> V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT:
> 90-264VAC
>
>
>
> It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was
> expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of
> those batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I
> totally wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to
> this power shelf :/
>
>
>
> Noob out,
>
> Scott
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Josh Luthman]

Ok, just an FYI.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2016 4:29 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Didn't look much into it. That's why I said BO
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> On Mar 4, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> You know they're $85 new?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
>> eBay item: 222026976697
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[chuck]

You connect the batts and the load and the rectifier all in parallel.  It 
should be set for giving you 54-55 VDC out.

If the load, rectifier and batts are all on the same parallel circuit, then 
when the power is out, the batts provide the load current.  When the power 
comes back on the rectifier powers the load and charges the batts.  



From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

 

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY

BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI

V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

 

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

 

Noob out,

Scott

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Jason McKemie]

I've seen a lot of items on eBay go for more than retail.  It's mind
boggling.

On Friday, March 4, 2016, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> You know they're $85 new?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:
>
>> Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
>> eBay item: 222026976697
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Jon Langeler]

Didn't look much into it. That's why I said BO

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Mar 4, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> You know they're $85 new?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
>> eBay item: 222026976697
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Josh Luthman]

You know they're $85 new?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
> eBay item: 222026976697
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

[AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[Jon Langeler]

Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
eBay item: 222026976697

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jason McKemie]

The Trump one is actually fact (in the figurative definition of a clown, he
doesn't actually dress up like one as far as I know).  The others you could
make an argument about.  I'm not sure how good of a surgeon Carson actually
is :-)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Those talking points are, unfortunately, fairly accurate representations
>> of the corresponding candidates...
>>
>
> Once again, no basis in fact, simply opinion. If you have evidence,
> provide it or or just look like all the other people who just don't like
> that side of the political spectrum and want to name call. This is why we
> have the people running who do. It is all hyperbole with little reason.
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Cameron Crum]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Those talking points are, unfortunately, fairly accurate representations
> of the corresponding candidates...
>

Once again, no basis in fact, simply opinion. If you have evidence, provide
it or or just look like all the other people who just don't like that side
of the political spectrum and want to name call. This is why we have the
people running who do. It is all hyperbole with little reason.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance - internship

[Jay Weekley]

I appreciate the offer but I've probably made their mistakes already.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I doubt were any bigger than you, but you can send a guy here to 
follow our guys if you want some prime training in what not to do


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jay Weekley > wrote:


Is anyone willing to offer a short internship for an "experienced"
installer?   I'm thinking 2 to 3 days for an established installer
(maybe me) to help do installs and learn how the bigger guys do
things.  I definitely wouldn't send a new guy to get trained.  I'm
self taught and know there are better ways of doing things.

Ty Featherling wrote:


We have a couple of really experienced guys with good
attitudes. Max travel time is like 40 minutes but we schedule
smart and keep installs in the same area or in a sane path.
Again though, most of the time it is 3-4 each. When needed
they both step up and have been known to knock out 6 no problem.

-Ty

On Mar 4, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jay Weekley"

>> wrote:

One man can do that?

Ty Featherling wrote:

Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load
them that high but when needed they are able to do it.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown

>


>>
*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>

>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield

>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i was harmed by your statements and will need reparations

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I didn't ask anyone to believe what I believe, I encouraged people to
> check out specific facts for themselves. Stating my personal opinions
> has no bearing on previous or current documented behavior by any
> candidate or group of candidates.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > No, you are just repeating the opposition's talking points about each
> > one...something you asked everyone not to believe about the guy you
> support.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
> >> other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> >> > Josh writes:
> >> > "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> >> > "
> >> > but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
> >> >
> >> > " Trump is a clown,
> >> > Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> >> > surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
> >> > kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
> >> > and Clinton is - simply scary."
> >> >
> >> > Pot, meet kettle.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You mean countries like...
> >> >>
> >> >> Denmark
> >> >> Finland
> >> >> Netherlands
> >> >> Canada
> >> >> Sweden
> >> >> Norway
> >> >> Ireland
> >> >>
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
> >> >> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
> >> >> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
> >> >> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things
> FDR
> >> >> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
> >> >> States.
> >> >>
> >> >> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis.
> Throwing
> >> >> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
> >> >> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
> >> >> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
> >> >> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American
> people
> >> >> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
> >> >> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> >> >> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but
> is
> >> >> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too
> far,
> >> >> and Clinton is - simply scary.
> >> >>
> >> >> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
> >> >> sandwich" (technical term)
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway <
> r...@triadwireless.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
> >> >> > bring
> >> >> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> >> >> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not
> inclined
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet
> >> >> > paper.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rory
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Original Message-
> >> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> >> >> > To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking
> points:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ---
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
> >> >> > veterans in
> >> >> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> >> >> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation
> that
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have
> a
> >> >> > record
> >> >> > of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
> >> >> > about the
> >> >> > candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
> >> >> > Wednesday.
> >> >> > “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise,
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States
> >> >> > senator,”
> >> >> > he added."
> >> >> > from:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

people milking the clock is who, see we are an hourly on staff shop, you
also get to leave at 4 instead of 5 if you work through lunch.

We have a workable contracted option thats itching to do our installs
because hes growing his service company, and hes right on the edge of
having enough consistent work to hire on a full time guy instead of working
them as contractors.  If either of the two guys leave, im recommending we
go that route to the boss. Our network is simple and installs arent brain
rocketry


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> man who wants to spend so much time climbing?
>
> I used to bring everything short of the kitchen sink up on the roof with
> me. I'll be damned if I'm climbing 5 times to accomplish a simple task.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I see alot of the decline here being purely stubbornness and attitude. I
>> screwed up and told every installer that if they have a better way for them
>> to do it, then do it. I also let mopes train mopes.
>>
>> I showed them things I do that speed things up like preterminating one
>> end of the outdoor cable so when climbing up to test signal, once you find
>> the mount, you can peak it, then just secure the cable on the way down, its
>> only one climb for the most part. or as an alternate, do your testing, get
>> it mounted, estimate the cable run and cut it to length in the van, poke
>> the two ends through the divider and do the terminations from the warmth of
>> the front seat (we do split runs using an SS as a demarc) their complaint
>> was they arent good at estimating lengths, no problem, so i got them some
>> nice flexible test cables marked with tape every ten feet, then they use
>> that for an exact number. eliminates putting boxes back in the van,
>> eliminates multiple trips back and forth
>>
>> what i get when ive audited them is, climb up and test, climb down to get
>> a mount, climb up and mount, climb down to get cable, walk box of cable to
>> tower or ladder, terminate, climb up and connect, climb down to get
>> something climb up. climb down, do the rest of the install, then come back
>> and fasten.
>>
>> It boils down to "im going to do it my way, not your way" like i said to
>> them all, i dont care as long as the job gets done right and well. They
>> only hear the first part.
>>
>> The two man crews just doubled the amount of wasted time, not to mention
>> stopping to use the bathroom, stopping to smoke before leaving the shop,
>> before getting to the customers, after leaving the customers, etc. pooping
>> and smoking should be banned in the workplace and im a pooping smoker
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The biggest problem I see with two man crews, is travel time - in a lot
>>> of cases getting to the install and back takes as much, or more time than
>>> the install itself. Safety seems more to be more of an argument for two man
>>> crews than time - our guys often will team up on the more complicated
>>> installs for that reason, but a typical install is just one man, and we
>>> normally schedule three installs, but if travel time allows, he can easily
>>> do four in a day... and a few service calls besides.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Too many bottlenecks for two man crews. When I was the only installer,
 i had the option of pulling the partner company guy, but I would have to be
 able to cut the time in half or more, never could do that consistently,
 could get an hour down to 35 or 40 never a consistent benefit

 We just busted the two man crews to one because it was taking longer
 with two than with one, but thats just because of bottom of the barrel
 economics

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do
> more than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two
> man crew).  Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man
> crews.
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
>
> In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew
> typically …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
>
>
> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with
> a single-man crew?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Jason McKemie]

I have the 6 position Minipack, here's the Minipack data sheet:

http://www.eltek.com/wip4/download_doc_647.epl?id=7965

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Jason-
>
> Thanks, do you know what version or model power shelf you have?  TIA.
>
>
>
> `S
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 12:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?
>
>
>
> On mine, the power shelf has a breaker unit that also has connections for
> the batteries.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
>
> Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek
> rectifier product using these products:
>
>
>
> CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL
> OUTPUT POLARITY
>
> BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
>
> V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT:
> 90-264VAC
>
>
>
> It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was
> expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of
> those batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I
> totally wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to
> this power shelf :/
>
>
>
> Noob out,
>
> Scott
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Jason-
Thanks, do you know what version or model power shelf you have?  TIA.

`S

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

On mine, the power shelf has a breaker unit that also has connections for the 
batteries.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY
BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

Noob out,
Scott

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Josh Reynolds]

I didn't ask anyone to believe what I believe, I encouraged people to
check out specific facts for themselves. Stating my personal opinions
has no bearing on previous or current documented behavior by any
candidate or group of candidates.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> No, you are just repeating the opposition's talking points about each
> one...something you asked everyone not to believe about the guy you support.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
>> other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > Josh writes:
>> > "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >
>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> > "
>> > but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
>> >
>> > " Trump is a clown,
>> > Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> > surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> > kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> > and Clinton is - simply scary."
>> >
>> > Pot, meet kettle.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You mean countries like...
>> >>
>> >> Denmark
>> >> Finland
>> >> Netherlands
>> >> Canada
>> >> Sweden
>> >> Norway
>> >> Ireland
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> >> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> >> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> >> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
>> >> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
>> >> States.
>> >>
>> >> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> >> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> >> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
>> >> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
>> >> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
>> >> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
>> >> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> >> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> >> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> >> and Clinton is - simply scary.
>> >>
>> >> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> >> sandwich" (technical term)
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
>> >> > bring
>> >> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> >> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined
>> >> > to
>> >> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet
>> >> > paper.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rory
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >> >
>> >> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> >> >
>> >> > ---
>> >> >
>> >> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
>> >> > the
>> >> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
>> >> > veterans in
>> >> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> >> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
>> >> > was
>> >> > nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
>> >> > record
>> >> > of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
>> >> > about the
>> >> > candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
>> >> > Wednesday.
>> >> > “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise,
>> >> > that
>> >> > Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States
>> >> > senator,”
>> >> > he added."
>> >> > from:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> >> > much likes working with Sanders.
>> >> >
>> >> > Signed,
>> >> >
>> >> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> >> > Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Joe Novak]

man who wants to spend so much time climbing?

I used to bring everything short of the kitchen sink up on the roof with
me. I'll be damned if I'm climbing 5 times to accomplish a simple task.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see alot of the decline here being purely stubbornness and attitude. I
> screwed up and told every installer that if they have a better way for them
> to do it, then do it. I also let mopes train mopes.
>
> I showed them things I do that speed things up like preterminating one end
> of the outdoor cable so when climbing up to test signal, once you find the
> mount, you can peak it, then just secure the cable on the way down, its
> only one climb for the most part. or as an alternate, do your testing, get
> it mounted, estimate the cable run and cut it to length in the van, poke
> the two ends through the divider and do the terminations from the warmth of
> the front seat (we do split runs using an SS as a demarc) their complaint
> was they arent good at estimating lengths, no problem, so i got them some
> nice flexible test cables marked with tape every ten feet, then they use
> that for an exact number. eliminates putting boxes back in the van,
> eliminates multiple trips back and forth
>
> what i get when ive audited them is, climb up and test, climb down to get
> a mount, climb up and mount, climb down to get cable, walk box of cable to
> tower or ladder, terminate, climb up and connect, climb down to get
> something climb up. climb down, do the rest of the install, then come back
> and fasten.
>
> It boils down to "im going to do it my way, not your way" like i said to
> them all, i dont care as long as the job gets done right and well. They
> only hear the first part.
>
> The two man crews just doubled the amount of wasted time, not to mention
> stopping to use the bathroom, stopping to smoke before leaving the shop,
> before getting to the customers, after leaving the customers, etc. pooping
> and smoking should be banned in the workplace and im a pooping smoker
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem I see with two man crews, is travel time - in a lot
>> of cases getting to the install and back takes as much, or more time than
>> the install itself. Safety seems more to be more of an argument for two man
>> crews than time - our guys often will team up on the more complicated
>> installs for that reason, but a typical install is just one man, and we
>> normally schedule three installs, but if travel time allows, he can easily
>> do four in a day... and a few service calls besides.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Too many bottlenecks for two man crews. When I was the only installer, i
>>> had the option of pulling the partner company guy, but I would have to be
>>> able to cut the time in half or more, never could do that consistently,
>>> could get an hour down to 35 or 40 never a consistent benefit
>>>
>>> We just busted the two man crews to one because it was taking longer
>>> with two than with one, but thats just because of bottom of the barrel
>>> economics
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do
 more than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two
 man crew).  Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man
 crews.

 *From:* Paul Stewart 
 *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance


 In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew
 typically …



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
 *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance



 How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
 single-man crew?







 John Woodfield, President

 Delmarva WiFi Inc.

 410-870-WiFi

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Jason McKemie]

On mine, the power shelf has a breaker unit that also has connections for
the batteries.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek
> rectifier product using these products:
>
>
>
> CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL
> OUTPUT POLARITY
>
> BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
>
> V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT:
> 90-264VAC
>
>
>
> It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was
> expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of
> those batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I
> totally wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to
> this power shelf :/
>
>
>
> Noob out,
>
> Scott
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I see alot of the decline here being purely stubbornness and attitude. I
screwed up and told every installer that if they have a better way for them
to do it, then do it. I also let mopes train mopes.

I showed them things I do that speed things up like preterminating one end
of the outdoor cable so when climbing up to test signal, once you find the
mount, you can peak it, then just secure the cable on the way down, its
only one climb for the most part. or as an alternate, do your testing, get
it mounted, estimate the cable run and cut it to length in the van, poke
the two ends through the divider and do the terminations from the warmth of
the front seat (we do split runs using an SS as a demarc) their complaint
was they arent good at estimating lengths, no problem, so i got them some
nice flexible test cables marked with tape every ten feet, then they use
that for an exact number. eliminates putting boxes back in the van,
eliminates multiple trips back and forth

what i get when ive audited them is, climb up and test, climb down to get a
mount, climb up and mount, climb down to get cable, walk box of cable to
tower or ladder, terminate, climb up and connect, climb down to get
something climb up. climb down, do the rest of the install, then come back
and fasten.

It boils down to "im going to do it my way, not your way" like i said to
them all, i dont care as long as the job gets done right and well. They
only hear the first part.

The two man crews just doubled the amount of wasted time, not to mention
stopping to use the bathroom, stopping to smoke before leaving the shop,
before getting to the customers, after leaving the customers, etc. pooping
and smoking should be banned in the workplace and im a pooping smoker

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> The biggest problem I see with two man crews, is travel time - in a lot of
> cases getting to the install and back takes as much, or more time than the
> install itself. Safety seems more to be more of an argument for two man
> crews than time - our guys often will team up on the more complicated
> installs for that reason, but a typical install is just one man, and we
> normally schedule three installs, but if travel time allows, he can easily
> do four in a day... and a few service calls besides.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Too many bottlenecks for two man crews. When I was the only installer, i
>> had the option of pulling the partner company guy, but I would have to be
>> able to cut the time in half or more, never could do that consistently,
>> could get an hour down to 35 or 40 never a consistent benefit
>>
>> We just busted the two man crews to one because it was taking longer with
>> two than with one, but thats just because of bottom of the barrel economics
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do
>>> more than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two
>>> man crew).  Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man
>>> crews.
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>>
>>>
>>> In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew
>>> typically …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>>> single-man crew?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Woodfield, President
>>>
>>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>>
>>> 410-870-WiFi
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jason McKemie]

Those talking points are, unfortunately, fairly accurate representations of
the corresponding candidates...

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> No, you are just repeating the opposition's talking points about each
> one...something you asked everyone not to believe about the guy you support.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
>> other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > Josh writes:
>> > "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >
>> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> > "
>> > but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
>> >
>> > " Trump is a clown,
>> > Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> > surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> > kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> > and Clinton is - simply scary."
>> >
>> > Pot, meet kettle.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You mean countries like...
>> >>
>> >> Denmark
>> >> Finland
>> >> Netherlands
>> >> Canada
>> >> Sweden
>> >> Norway
>> >> Ireland
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> >> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> >> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> >> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
>> >> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
>> >> States.
>> >>
>> >> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> >> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> >> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
>> >> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
>> >> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
>> >> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
>> >> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> >> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> >> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> >> and Clinton is - simply scary.
>> >>
>> >> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> >> sandwich" (technical term)
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
>> bring
>> >> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> >> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not
>> inclined to
>> >> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet
>> paper.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rory
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >> >
>> >> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> >> >
>> >> > ---
>> >> >
>> >> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
>> the
>> >> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
>> veterans in
>> >> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> >> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
>> was
>> >> > nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
>> record
>> >> > of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
>> about the
>> >> > candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
>> Wednesday.
>> >> > “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise,
>> that
>> >> > Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States
>> senator,”
>> >> > he added."
>> >> > from:
>> >> >
>> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> >> > much likes working with Sanders.
>> >> >
>> >> > Signed,
>> >> >
>> >> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> >> > Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds <

[AFMUG] Eltek Rectifier Huh?

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Trying to figure these things out!  I purchased and built an Eltek rectifier 
product using these products:

CG1S-AUN-VC COMPACT POWER SHELF / REAR WIRE 200AMP MAX 48V UNIVERSAL OUTPUT 
POLARITY
BC2000-A01-10VC 48V, SYSTEM CONTROLLER W/ ETHERNET, NEXTGENERATION, W/ CLEI
V0750A-VC RECTIFIER, 840W, 53.5V, 15A, FAN COOLED (BOTTOM TO TOP) -INPUT: 
90-264VAC

It seems like this just takes AC power and gives me 48v DC out.  I was 
expecting it would also attach to a battery array and provide charging of those 
batteries plus use their power source if grid power was lost.  Am I totally 
wrong on that?  I don’t see any method of connecting batteries to this power 
shelf :/

Noob out,
Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance - internship

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I doubt were any bigger than you, but you can send a guy here to follow our
guys if you want some prime training in what not to do

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Is anyone willing to offer a short internship for an "experienced"
> installer?   I'm thinking 2 to 3 days for an established installer (maybe
> me) to help do installs and learn how the bigger guys do things.  I
> definitely wouldn't send a new guy to get trained.  I'm self taught and
> know there are better ways of doing things.
>
> Ty Featherling wrote:
>
>>
>> We have a couple of really experienced guys with good attitudes. Max
>> travel time is like 40 minutes but we schedule smart and keep installs in
>> the same area or in a sane path. Again though, most of the time it is 3-4
>> each. When needed they both step up and have been known to knock out 6 no
>> problem.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> One man can do that?
>>
>> Ty Featherling wrote:
>>
>> Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load
>> them that high but when needed they are able to do it.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown >  > >> wrote:
>>
>> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> > >
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
>> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield
>> 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on
>> average with a single-man crew?
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but
>> you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as
>> part of
>> the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Cameron Crum]

No, you are just repeating the opposition's talking points about each
one...something you asked everyone not to believe about the guy you support.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
> other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > Josh writes:
> > "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> >
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> > "
> > but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
> >
> > " Trump is a clown,
> > Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> > surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
> > kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
> > and Clinton is - simply scary."
> >
> > Pot, meet kettle.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> You mean countries like...
> >>
> >> Denmark
> >> Finland
> >> Netherlands
> >> Canada
> >> Sweden
> >> Norway
> >> Ireland
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
> >> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
> >> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
> >> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
> >> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
> >> States.
> >>
> >> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
> >> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
> >> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
> >> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
> >> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
> >> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
> >> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> >> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
> >> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
> >> and Clinton is - simply scary.
> >>
> >> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
> >> sandwich" (technical term)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
> bring
> >> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> >> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined
> to
> >> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet
> paper.
> >> >
> >> > Rory
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> >> > To: af@afmug.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
> >> >
> >> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> >
> >> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
> the
> >> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
> veterans in
> >> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> >> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
> was
> >> > nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
> record
> >> > of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
> about the
> >> > candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
> Wednesday.
> >> > “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise,
> that
> >> > Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States
> senator,”
> >> > he added."
> >> > from:
> >> >
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
> >> >
> >> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
> >> > much likes working with Sanders.
> >> >
> >> > Signed,
> >> >
> >> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
> >> > Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >> >>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >> >>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >> >>> well for veteran's, 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Mathew Howard]

The biggest problem I see with two man crews, is travel time - in a lot of
cases getting to the install and back takes as much, or more time than the
install itself. Safety seems more to be more of an argument for two man
crews than time - our guys often will team up on the more complicated
installs for that reason, but a typical install is just one man, and we
normally schedule three installs, but if travel time allows, he can easily
do four in a day... and a few service calls besides.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Too many bottlenecks for two man crews. When I was the only installer, i
> had the option of pulling the partner company guy, but I would have to be
> able to cut the time in half or more, never could do that consistently,
> could get an hour down to 35 or 40 never a consistent benefit
>
> We just busted the two man crews to one because it was taking longer with
> two than with one, but thats just because of bottom of the barrel economics
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do
>> more than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two
>> man crew).  Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man
>> crews.
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>
>>
>> In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew
>> typically …
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>
>>
>>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>> single-man crew?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Josh Reynolds]

Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> Josh writes:
> "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> "
> but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
>
> " Trump is a clown,
> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
> and Clinton is - simply scary."
>
> Pot, meet kettle.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> You mean countries like...
>>
>> Denmark
>> Finland
>> Netherlands
>> Canada
>> Sweden
>> Norway
>> Ireland
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
>> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
>> States.
>>
>> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
>> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
>> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
>> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
>> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> and Clinton is - simply scary.
>>
>> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> sandwich" (technical term)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >
>> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >
>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
>> > nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
>> > of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
>> > candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
>> > “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
>> > Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
>> > he added."
>> > from:
>> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>> >
>> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> > much likes working with Sanders.
>> >
>> > Signed,
>> >
>> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
>> > Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >  wrote:
>> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>> >>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>> >>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>> >>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>> >>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>> >>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
>> >>> it.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>> >>> > candidates 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Mathew Howard]

That seems like as good of a reason as any to elect someone president...

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:29 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> there are only so many of those kinds of nuts, they just stick out. Trump
> has well exceeded the number of them in who he attracts. Its not just right
> winges who are tired, its everyone, hes attracting the tired masses. God
> help us all.
>
> The one good thing that would come of it is I could envision him and Putin
> having saddles strapped to obama and bidens back and riding them through
> the rose garden. That id like to see
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education
>> calling Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!
>> Of course in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest
>> workers.   She is far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe
>> bullshit?  Remember military exercises held in Texas where these wackos
>> thought their guns were going to be taken away and then sent to camps like
>> we did to our people during WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.
>> On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism,
>>> advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and
>>> created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between
>>> capitalism and socialism.  Motivation.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>>
>>> Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.
>>> Unfortunately I don't have time right now but later.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>>
>>> You mean countries like...
>>>
>>> Denmark
>>> Finland
>>> Netherlands
>>> Canada
>>> Sweden
>>> Norway
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>>> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>>> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>>> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did
>>> were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.
>>>
>>> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>>> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>>> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to
>>> finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing
>>> (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people deserve this
>>> thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a
>>> sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain surgeon who has
>>> written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is kind of an idiot
>>> outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, and Clinton is -
>>> simply scary.
>>>
>>> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>>> sandwich" (technical term)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
>>> bring back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>>> >
>>> > Rory
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>> >
>>> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
>>> > rans
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> >
>>> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
>>> the Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans
>>> in his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>>> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
>>> was nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
>>> record of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
>>> about the candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
>>> Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or
>>> otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United
>>> States senator,” he added."
>>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Cameron Crum]

Josh writes:
"Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
"
but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :

" Trump is a clown,
Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
and Clinton is - simply scary."

Pot, meet kettle.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You mean countries like...
>
> Denmark
> Finland
> Netherlands
> Canada
> Sweden
> Norway
> Ireland
>
> ?
>
> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
> States.
>
> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
> and Clinton is - simply scary.
>
> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
> sandwich" (technical term)
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
> >
> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> >
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> >
> > ---
> >
> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
> he added."
> > from:
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
> >
> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
> much likes working with Sanders.
> >
> > Signed,
> >
> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
> Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
> >>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
> >>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
> it.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
> >>> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
> >>> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
> >>> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Jay Weekley]

There does seem to be a disconnect between the office staff and the 
field staff regarding how long something should take.


Ben Royer wrote:
Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company, 
and it’s interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic 
brought up by both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is 
always made that the allotted time frame for a job is not sufficient, 
IE: jobs always take longer than scheduled.  Scheduling argues that it 
is, however we need to operate more efficiently while doing the job, 
IE: get there on time, cut down on chit chat, have all your equipment 
needed, etc.  The calendar has been setup based on 16 years of 
experience of doing installs, and it’s an average based time frame.  
Granted, this time frame was increased when we started doing more 
grounding, etc. Currently, we allow for 2 hour windows, where we 
typically schedule a morning job, and and afternoon job, both are 
installs, then we squeeze in repairs or other onsites after their 
first morning job, or after their afternoon job, or we schedule two 
fixes, one install in a day, or other combinations.  It’s a very 
specific structure that our dispatching department follows.  On 
average, I’d say our guys complete 2 installs and 1 fix a day, but 
some guys are a little quicker than others.  Each job is different, so 
as I am often reminding both the techs and dispatch, there’s no sure 
way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added 
factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the 
productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is 
paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in 
jobs per day.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net
*From:* John Woodfield 
*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with 
a single-man crew?


John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance - internship

[Jay Weekley]

Is anyone willing to offer a short internship for an "experienced" 
installer?   I'm thinking 2 to 3 days for an established installer 
(maybe me) to help do installs and learn how the bigger guys do things.  
I definitely wouldn't send a new guy to get trained.  I'm self taught 
and know there are better ways of doing things.


Ty Featherling wrote:


We have a couple of really experienced guys with good attitudes. Max 
travel time is like 40 minutes but we schedule smart and keep installs 
in the same area or in a sane path. Again though, most of the time it 
is 3-4 each. When needed they both step up and have been known to 
knock out 6 no problem.


-Ty

On Mar 4, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


One man can do that?

Ty Featherling wrote:

Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load
them that high but when needed they are able to do it.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  >> wrote:

I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield

>> wrote:

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on
average with a single-man crew?

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as
part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ben Royer]

Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company, and it’s 
interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic brought up by 
both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is always made that the 
allotted time frame for a job is not sufficient, IE: jobs always take longer 
than scheduled.  Scheduling argues that it is, however we need to operate more 
efficiently while doing the job, IE: get there on time, cut down on chit chat, 
have all your equipment needed, etc.  The calendar has been setup based on 16 
years of experience of doing installs, and it’s an average based time frame.  
Granted, this time frame was increased when we started doing more grounding, 
etc.  Currently, we allow for 2 hour windows, where we typically schedule a 
morning job, and and afternoon job, both are installs, then we squeeze in 
repairs or other onsites after their first morning job, or after their 
afternoon job, or we schedule two fixes, one install in a day, or other 
combinations.  It’s a very specific structure that our dispatching department 
follows.  On average, I’d say our guys complete 2 installs and 1 fix a day, but 
some guys are a little quicker than others.  Each job is different, so as I am 
often reminding both the techs and dispatch, there’s no sure way of predicting 
the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added factor to everyone’s answer 
that I would think has an effect on the productivity times is who is paying 
their techs hourly +OT, and who is paying their techs per job?  That to me can 
have a major factor in jobs per day.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: John Woodfield 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] Installer Pay

[John Woodfield]

How are you compensating your installers? Hourly/salary/amount?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

We have a couple of really experienced guys with good attitudes. Max travel
time is like 40 minutes but we schedule smart and keep installs in the same
area or in a sane path. Again though, most of the time it is 3-4 each. When
needed they both step up and have been known to knock out 6 no problem.

-Ty
On Mar 4, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> One man can do that?
>
> Ty Featherling wrote:
>
>> Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
>> but when needed they are able to do it.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
>> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield
>> > wrote:
>>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on
>> average with a single-man crew?
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
>> the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[SmarterBroadband]

We schedule 2 installs for single-man crew.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew typically … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha Glen Back would have stabbed Trump   Coming out of the woodworks
On Mar 4, 2016 10:40 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> As long as we can see their hands.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiu501YlkgA
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> With their shirts off?
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> there are only so many of those kinds of nuts, they just stick out. Trump
> has well exceeded the number of them in who he attracts. Its not just right
> winges who are tired, its everyone, hes attracting the tired masses. God
> help us all.
>
> The one good thing that would come of it is I could envision him and Putin
> having saddles strapped to obama and bidens back and riding them through
> the rose garden. That id like to see
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education
>> calling Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!
>> Of course in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest
>> workers.   She is far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe
>> bullshit?  Remember military exercises held in Texas where these wackos
>> thought their guns were going to be taken away and then sent to camps like
>> we did to our people during WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.
>> On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism,
>>> advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and
>>> created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between
>>> capitalism and socialism.  Motivation.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>>
>>> Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.
>>> Unfortunately I don't have time right now but later.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>>
>>> You mean countries like...
>>>
>>> Denmark
>>> Finland
>>> Netherlands
>>> Canada
>>> Sweden
>>> Norway
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>>> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>>> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>>> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did
>>> were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.
>>>
>>> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>>> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>>> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to
>>> finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing
>>> (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people deserve this
>>> thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a
>>> sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain surgeon who has
>>> written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is kind of an idiot
>>> outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, and Clinton is -
>>> simply scary.
>>>
>>> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>>> sandwich" (technical term)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
>>> bring back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>>> >
>>> > Rory
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>> >
>>> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
>>> > rans
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> >
>>> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
>>> the Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans
>>> in his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>>> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Paul Stewart]

I would agree… and safety factor is increased with two man crew working on 
ladders, roofs etc etc… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do more 
than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two man crew).  
Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man crews.  

 

From: Paul Stewart   

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew typically … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Jay Weekley]

One man can do that?

Ty Featherling wrote:
Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that 
high but when needed they are able to do it.


-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield
> wrote:

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on
average with a single-man crew?

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

[Mike Hammett]

The Sprint one will do three megs. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:41:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed 




It’s the Samsung thing with the 4 blue lights, I think this: 
http://www.verizonwireless.com/businessportals/support/splash/mb/networkextender.html
 

It says compatible with Verizon 3G devices, so I’m assuming it doesn’t do 
4G/LTE. 





From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed 


I don't think you can use data over it. What model is it? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Mar 4, 2016 11:18 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Not really asking what Internet speed it needs to function properly, but rather 
what you should expect to get on a smartphone connected to the Network Extender 
and not using WiFi. 

Not sure why someone would use it like this, maybe they don’t want to give out 
the WiFi password. 





From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:40 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed 


I have a 10/2 and it works great. I have no idea why they would use it like 
that though. I only use Wifi for data when I am connected to it. If you turn on 
the phone WiFi it won't use the femtocell for data. 


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:38 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I know mine worked on 4x1 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Mar 4, 2016 10:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 


Does anyone know what Internet speed should be expected on a Verizon Network 
Extender For Business? 

I thought these were only 3G and mainly for voice, assuming if you really cared 
about data you would just connect directly to WiFi. I remember when my 
smartphone speeds used to top out around 1M but I don't remember if those were 
the 3G days or whatever was before 3G. 

I have a customer on a 20Mx20M connection who put in a couple of these 
microcells and is complaining about Internet speeds on their smartphones only 
being around 1M, they called Verizon who blamed our Internet. Verizon also had 
them test speed to internetfrog.com which gave significantly worse results than 
speedtest.net . I swear the training for all microcell support reps is "blame 
the ISP". 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Too many bottlenecks for two man crews. When I was the only installer, i
had the option of pulling the partner company guy, but I would have to be
able to cut the time in half or more, never could do that consistently,
could get an hour down to 35 or 40 never a consistent benefit

We just busted the two man crews to one because it was taking longer with
two than with one, but thats just because of bottom of the barrel economics

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do
> more than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two
> man crew).  Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man
> crews.
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
>
> In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew
> typically …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
>
>
> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
> single-man crew?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t have any evidence but I speculate that a two man crew could do more 
than two one man crews.  (If they don’t goof off due to being a two man crew).  
Lots of things go faster with two.  But I always had one man crews.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew typically … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ken Hohhof]

Sometimes it depends on how much you want them to accommodate fussy customer 
demands as far as where to mount, how to run the cable, etc.  Also how much 
time you want them to spend connecting customers devices like smart TVs and 
wireless printers to the WiFi.  Running the cable and dealing with customer 
devices seem to be the big variables.  Unless we have to run a PTP wireless 
link to another building to get LOS, that almost doubles the install time.


From: Ty Featherling 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

Typically it's 3 though. 

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Ty Featherling  wrote:

  Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high but 
when needed they are able to do it. 

  -Ty




  -Ty

  On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day 
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield  
wrote:

  How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Paul Stewart]

In previous job, it was 4 a day plus repair calls with a 2 man crew typically … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Daniel White]

Depends on travel time between installs.

 

But when I did installs I usually did 3-4 a day (we were contractors at that 
time so we would push for four during the summer).  Every installer at the WISP 
I worked for was booked at least 3 a day.  9am, 1pm, and 3pm… but it was 
something like a 2 hour window for first contact.

 

Average install was 75 minutes from knocking on the door to leaving.  Tried to 
have no more than 30 minutes tops travel between jobs.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

 

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Ken Hohhof]

As long as we can see their hands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiu501YlkgA


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

With their shirts off?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

there are only so many of those kinds of nuts, they just stick out. Trump has 
well exceeded the number of them in who he attracts. Its not just right winges 
who are tired, its everyone, hes attracting the tired masses. God help us all. 

The one good thing that would come of it is I could envision him and Putin 
having saddles strapped to obama and bidens back and riding them through the 
rose garden. That id like to see

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education calling 
Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!  Of course 
in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest workers.   She is 
far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe bullshit?  Remember 
military exercises held in Texas where these wackos thought their guns were 
going to be taken away and then sent to camps like we did to our people during 
WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.

  On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism, 
advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and 
created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between capitalism 
and socialism.  Motivation.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.  Unfortunately 
I don't have time right now but later.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

You mean countries like...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland

?

Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare, 
standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of many 
different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did were VERY 
socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.

You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing the 
baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the country a 
Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to finish their 
investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing (whatever that may be). 
Her as well as the American people deserve this thing to be over one way or the 
other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a 
brilliant brain surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field 
but is kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, 
and Clinton is - simply scary.

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit 
sandwich" (technical term)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring 
back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
> rans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record of 
advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. “To 
my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that Hillary 
Clinton was engaged in during her time 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

Typically it's 3 though.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
> but when needed they are able to do it.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>
>> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
>> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>>> single-man crew?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Woodfield, President
>>>
>>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>>
>>> 410-870-WiFi
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
but when needed they are able to do it.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield 
> wrote:
>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>> single-man crew?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Chuck McCown]

With their shirts off?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

there are only so many of those kinds of nuts, they just stick out. Trump has 
well exceeded the number of them in who he attracts. Its not just right winges 
who are tired, its everyone, hes attracting the tired masses. God help us all. 

The one good thing that would come of it is I could envision him and Putin 
having saddles strapped to obama and bidens back and riding them through the 
rose garden. That id like to see

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education calling 
Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!  Of course 
in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest workers.   She is 
far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe bullshit?  Remember 
military exercises held in Texas where these wackos thought their guns were 
going to be taken away and then sent to camps like we did to our people during 
WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.

  On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism, 
advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and 
created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between capitalism 
and socialism.  Motivation.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.  Unfortunately 
I don't have time right now but later.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

You mean countries like...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland

?

Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare, 
standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of many 
different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did were VERY 
socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.

You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing the 
baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the country a 
Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to finish their 
investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing (whatever that may be). 
Her as well as the American people deserve this thing to be over one way or the 
other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a 
brilliant brain surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field 
but is kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, 
and Clinton is - simply scary.

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit 
sandwich" (technical term)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring 
back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
> rans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record of 
advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. “To 
my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that Hillary 
Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” he added."
> from:
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
> anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes 

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Chuck McCown]

I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day 
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield  wrote:

  How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
> single-man crew?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Chuck McCown]

Funny, all this talk about socialism etc.  Nixon was fond of wage and price 
controls.  More socialist than we remember.  I do remember the gas shortage, 
but living on a farm, we had a good supply.

rom: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Johnny Carson was not solely to blame, it started with a Republican Congressman:
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/carsontoiletpaper.asp

But those of you who weren’t even born yet in the 70’s, you don’t remember 
waiting in lines to buy gas during the Arab oil embargo.  I think Nixon was 
President at the time, and the Arabs were mad at Nixon and Kissinger for 
supporting Israel.  I don’t think Nixon was a Socialist.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates 

Two things wrong with that. First, what do you mean "back to"? This 
country has never been socialist, and I don't see that happening any 
time soon.

Second, the guy who made everyone stand in line for toilet paper was 
Johny Carson, and he wasn't even a politician. It was pure supply and 
demand.

bp


On 3/4/2016 8:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
> socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
> Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
> that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
> role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record 
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. 
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that 
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” 
> he added."
> from: 
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
>> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
 Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup

 I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
 candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
 the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.

 On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

there are only so many of those kinds of nuts, they just stick out. Trump
has well exceeded the number of them in who he attracts. Its not just right
winges who are tired, its everyone, hes attracting the tired masses. God
help us all.

The one good thing that would come of it is I could envision him and Putin
having saddles strapped to obama and bidens back and riding them through
the rose garden. That id like to see

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education calling
> Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!  Of
> course in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest
> workers.   She is far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe
> bullshit?  Remember military exercises held in Texas where these wackos
> thought their guns were going to be taken away and then sent to camps like
> we did to our people during WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.
> On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism,
>> advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and
>> created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between
>> capitalism and socialism.  Motivation.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.
>> Unfortunately I don't have time right now but later.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> You mean countries like...
>>
>> Denmark
>> Finland
>> Netherlands
>> Canada
>> Sweden
>> Norway
>> Ireland
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did
>> were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.
>>
>> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to
>> finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing
>> (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people deserve this
>> thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a
>> sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain surgeon who has
>> written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is kind of an idiot
>> outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, and Clinton is -
>> simply scary.
>>
>> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> sandwich" (technical term)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>> >
>> > Rory
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >
>> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
>> > rans
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
>> was nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
>> record of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question
>> about the candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
>> Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or
>> otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United
>> States senator,” he added."
>> > from:
>> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
>> > anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>> >
>> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
>> much likes working with Sanders.
>> >
>> > Signed,
>> >
>> > A 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jaime Solorza]

Well then there is wacko lady running for Texas Board of Education calling
Obama gay prostitute and claiming Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark!!!  Of
course in Texas History books slaves are now referred to as guest
workers.   She is far right religious Republicanwhy do they believe
bullshit?  Remember military exercises held in Texas where these wackos
thought their guns were going to be taken away and then sent to camps like
we did to our people during WWII?  Trump attracts those kind.
On Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism,
> advanced the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and
> created the industrial revolution.  That's the difference between
> capitalism and socialism.  Motivation.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.
> Unfortunately I don't have time right now but later.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> You mean countries like...
>
> Denmark
> Finland
> Netherlands
> Canada
> Sweden
> Norway
> Ireland
>
> ?
>
> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of many
> different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did were
> VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.
>
> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing the
> baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the country a
> Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to finish
> their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing (whatever
> that may be). Her as well as the American people deserve this thing to be
> over one way or the other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is
> a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain surgeon who has written many
> groundbreaking papers in his field but is kind of an idiot outside of his
> niche. Sanders may want to go too far, and Clinton is - simply scary.
>
> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
> sandwich" (technical term)
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
> >
> > Rory
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
> >
> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
> > rans
> >
> > ---
> >
> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> > “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
> he added."
> > from:
> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
> > anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
> >
> > Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
> much likes working with Sanders.
> >
> > Signed,
> >
> > A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
> Sander's records because it directly impacts me.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >>> well for veteran's, etc. No 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Ken Hohhof]

Johnny Carson was not solely to blame, it started with a Republican Congressman:
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/carsontoiletpaper.asp

But those of you who weren’t even born yet in the 70’s, you don’t remember 
waiting in lines to buy gas during the Arab oil embargo.  I think Nixon was 
President at the time, and the Arabs were mad at Nixon and Kissinger for 
supporting Israel.  I don’t think Nixon was a Socialist.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates 

Two things wrong with that. First, what do you mean "back to"? This 
country has never been socialist, and I don't see that happening any 
time soon.

Second, the guy who made everyone stand in line for toilet paper was 
Johny Carson, and he wasn't even a politician. It was pure supply and 
demand.

bp


On 3/4/2016 8:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
> socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
> Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
> that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
> role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record 
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. 
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that 
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” 
> he added."
> from: 
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
>> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
 Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup

 I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
 candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
 the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.

 On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
>> thinks she deserves to be President.
>>
>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
>> independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
>> come forward to serve.
>> All people deserve the 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Jason McKemie]

Good read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/

On Friday, March 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> One man does not make a committee. You're forced to go in there making
> deals with people at every turn - tit for tat. Some things went far
> enough, some didn't. I will say that committee made more progress than
> congress as a whole over the last 8 years.
>
> In Alaska, the commitee made it possible for me to visit general
> physicians instead of driving 4+ hours in snow covered roads to the
> nearest VA facility. I was also able to receive care at the local
> hospital in an emergency under the VA rural healthcare program.
>
> I am also an IAVA member and am well aware of some of the things the
> organizational leadership has been pushing - they're going a bit too
> far.
>
>
> http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/2015-Articles/Ending-Sequestration-Again-Tops-VFW-Legislative-Agenda/
> "VETERAN CHAMPION BERNIE SANDERS TO RECEIVE VFW CONGRESSIONAL AWARD"
>
> American Legion Patriot Award
>
> Military Officers Association of America Arthur T. Marix Congressional
> Leadership Award
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> > wrote:
> > thats a response made to discredit the opponent, it still doesnt change
> the
> > fact the VA failed under his watch, with his knowledge, unless he didnt
> do
> > his job and read the reports. He sponsored nothing, just voted.
> >
> > Twice now my dad has come near death due to VA mistakes, if we werent a
> > family full of people in the medical field, he would be dead, once while
> > bernie was being incompetent.
> >
> > No, he does not have a good record for veterans, he just didnt make thing
> > worse directly.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
> >> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> >> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
> >> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of
> Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
> >>
> >> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> >>
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
> >> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans
> in
> >> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> >> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
> >> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a
> record
> >> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about
> the
> >> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on
> Wednesday.
> >> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
> >> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States
> senator,”
> >> he added."
> >> from:
> >>
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
> >>
> >> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
> much
> >> likes working with Sanders.
> >>
> >> Signed,
> >>
> >> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
> Sander's
> >> records because it directly impacts me.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> > wrote:
> >> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
> >> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
> >> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
> >> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
> >> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
> >> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Josh Reynolds]

One man does not make a committee. You're forced to go in there making
deals with people at every turn - tit for tat. Some things went far
enough, some didn't. I will say that committee made more progress than
congress as a whole over the last 8 years.

In Alaska, the commitee made it possible for me to visit general
physicians instead of driving 4+ hours in snow covered roads to the
nearest VA facility. I was also able to receive care at the local
hospital in an emergency under the VA rural healthcare program.

I am also an IAVA member and am well aware of some of the things the
organizational leadership has been pushing - they're going a bit too
far.

http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/2015-Articles/Ending-Sequestration-Again-Tops-VFW-Legislative-Agenda/
"VETERAN CHAMPION BERNIE SANDERS TO RECEIVE VFW CONGRESSIONAL AWARD"

American Legion Patriot Award

Military Officers Association of America Arthur T. Marix Congressional
Leadership Award

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> thats a response made to discredit the opponent, it still doesnt change the
> fact the VA failed under his watch, with his knowledge, unless he didnt do
> his job and read the reports. He sponsored nothing, just voted.
>
> Twice now my dad has come near death due to VA mistakes, if we werent a
> family full of people in the medical field, he would be dead, once while
> bernie was being incompetent.
>
> No, he does not have a good record for veterans, he just didnt make thing
> worse directly.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>>
>> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
>> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
>> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>>
>> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>>
>> ---
>>
>> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
>> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
>> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
>> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
>> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
>> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
>> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
>> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
>> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
>> he added."
>> from:
>> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>>
>> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much
>> likes working with Sanders.
>>
>> Signed,
>>
>> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's
>> records because it directly impacts me.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
>> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
>> >> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
>> >> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>> >> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Rory Conaway]

But I will add this, the United States with all it's evil Capitalism, advanced 
the world at an unheard pace technologically for a long time and created the 
industrial revolution.  That's the difference between capitalism and socialism. 
 Motivation.

Rory 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.  Unfortunately I 
don't have time right now but later.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

You mean countries like...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland

?

Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare, standard of 
living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of many 
different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did were VERY 
socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.

You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing the baby 
out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the country a 
Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to finish their 
investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing (whatever that may be). 
Her as well as the American people deserve this thing to be over one way or the 
other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a 
brilliant brain surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field 
but is kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, 
and Clinton is - simply scary.

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit sandwich" 
(technical term)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
> socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
> Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
> that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
> rans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
> role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record 
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. 
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that 
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” 
> he added."
> from: 
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
> anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
>> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I 
>>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black 
>>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done 
>>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though 
>>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day 
>>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>>> >
>>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the 
>>> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about 
>>> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Rory Conaway]

Good comeback but now you have to look at them individually.  Unfortunately I 
don't have time right now but later.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

You mean countries like...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland

?

Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare, standard of 
living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of many 
different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR did were VERY 
socialist, and they worked very well in the United States.

You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing the baby 
out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the country a 
Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI needs to finish their 
investigation of Clinton quickly and do the right thing (whatever that may be). 
Her as well as the American people deserve this thing to be over one way or the 
other. Trump is a clown, Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a 
brilliant brain surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field 
but is kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far, 
and Clinton is - simply scary.

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit sandwich" 
(technical term)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
> socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
> Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
> that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/vete
> rans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
> role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record 
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. 
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that 
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” 
> he added."
> from: 
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-s
> anders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
>> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I 
>>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black 
>>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done 
>>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though 
>>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day 
>>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>>> >
>>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the 
>>> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about 
>>> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
>>> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because 
>>> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is 
>>> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is 
>>> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>>> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Bill Prince]

You don't like bread?

bp


On 3/4/2016 8:58 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
sandwich" (technical term)

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Josh Reynolds]

You mean countries like...

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland

?

Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
States.

You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
and Clinton is - simply scary.

For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
sandwich" (technical term)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
> socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
> Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
> that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
> role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was 
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record 
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. 
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that 
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” 
> he added."
> from: 
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
>> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
>>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>>> >
>>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>>> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
>>> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>>> >
>>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
>>> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
>>> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
>>> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
>>> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>>> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
>>> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
>>> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>>> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>>> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>>> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
>>> >>> has always flirted 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Bill Prince]

   http://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/

bp


On 3/4/2016 8:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Two things wrong with that. First, what do you mean "back to"? This 
country has never been socialist, and I don't see that happening any 
time soon.


Second, the guy who made everyone stand in line for toilet paper was 
Johny Carson, and he wasn't even a politician. It was pure supply and 
demand.


bp


On 3/4/2016 8:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to 
bring back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist 
country, especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not 
inclined to vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for 
toilet paper.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans 



---

"McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for 
the Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for 
veterans in his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
“The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that 
was nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does 
have a record of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a 
question about the candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a 
press call on Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, 
legislative or otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during 
her time as a United States senator,” he added."
from: 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary


Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very 
much likes working with Sanders.


Signed,

A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to 
Sander's records because it directly impacts me.


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

did you really just say hes done well for veterans?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I 
doubt it.


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup

I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.

On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  
wrote:

It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.

Lewis Bergman wrote:


It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
"angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for 
him.

On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
thinks she deserves to be President.

The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
come forward to serve.
All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I
am afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:

 Oh, forgot:

 Google's most searched for policy issues


, 


 from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)

 Immigration
 Same-Sex Marriage
 Education
 Gun Control
 Taxes
 Economy
 Health Care
 Climate Change
 Foreign Policy
 Environment

 On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Bill Prince]

Two things wrong with that. First, what do you mean "back to"? This 
country has never been socialist, and I don't see that happening any 
time soon.


Second, the guy who made everyone stand in line for toilet paper was 
Johny Carson, and he wasn't even a politician. It was pure supply and 
demand.


bp


On 3/4/2016 8:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans

---

"McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his role 
as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
“The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was nearly 
unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record of advocacy for 
our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the candidates' positions on 
veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no 
activity, legislative or otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her 
time as a United States senator,” he added."
from: 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary

Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
likes working with Sanders.

Signed,

A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
records because it directly impacts me.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

did you really just say hes done well for veterans?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup

I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.

On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.

Lewis Bergman wrote:


It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
"angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
thinks she deserves to be President.

The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
come forward to serve.
All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I
am afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:

 Oh, forgot:

 Google's most searched for policy issues


,
 from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)

 Immigration
 Same-Sex Marriage
 Education
 Gun Control
 Taxes
 Economy
 Health Care
 Climate Change
 Foreign Policy
 Environment

 On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:

 
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism


 On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
 >
 wrote:

 

[AFMUG] Installer Performance

[John Woodfield]

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

man, now you have it in the google search index, theyre coming for you as
an accomplice, and everybody who follows the link. We are all going down
for conspiracy


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> BTW, is there any reason this list needs to be publicly searchable?  Is
> that a mandatory part of the hosting, or do people want it that way?  Cuz
> everything show up on Google in like milliseconds:
>
>
> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=could+just+be+that+a+guy+needs+a+garage+floor+drain+pit+dug+
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> could just be that a guy needs a garage floor drain pit dug
>
> http://urbanlegendsonline.com/helping-papa-in-the-garden/
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Of course you realize, if they're reading the list, you just told them
>> where to look...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:52 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If this is my online antic they choose to light up on, im very
>>> dissapointed in our degree of cyber oversight.
>>>
>>> But in the event I disappear for a while, its been a fun ride guys...
>>> also, behind my garage from the very center, 3 feet out, if someone were to
>>> lift the patio blocks and dig down 2 feet until they found a container.
>>> That would be a good container to burn. I not saying anybody should destroy
>>> evidence of stuff, im just saying there is a spot behind my garage i wont
>>> file complain on a trespasser at
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Don’t be surprised if the secret service pays you a visit.  If the NSA
 is really reading the list with some bots they will flag a word that has
 caused more than one casual user of that word some grief.

 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
 *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 5:39 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates


 Trump is going to ultimately save the right. He put the nail in the
 coffin for the gop. The right will have no choice after this election but
 to reorganize and resurface as something new. Trump didn't do that
 directly, the right has been a lame horse for some time, he just put her
 out of her misery. This is a good thing because when the right reemerges it
 will not be splintered. With it looking like Hilary has a looming
 indictment it will probably come down to having to choose between a useless
 hippie and a lunatic, not an ideal set of choices. This election may end up
 being determined by who is on the ticket for vp with hopes of an
 assassination.
 On Mar 4, 2016 5:52 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> Damn auto correct. Angry voter syndrome.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 5:49 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is really
>> bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is about the best
>> thing I can't think to say about him.
>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do anything to
>> get elected and was the first to tap into the whole "angry court" 
>> syndrome
>> a few years ago.
>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that has
>> always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just thinks she
>> deserves to be President.
>>
>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, intelligent
>> people who are either on the left, right, or independent. It is hard to
>> believe this is the best willing to come forward to serve.
>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I am
>> afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, forgot:
>>>
>>> Google's most searched for policy issues
>>> ,
>>> from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)
>>>
>>> Immigration
>>> Same-Sex Marriage
>>> Education
>>> Gun Control
>>> Taxes
>>> Economy
>>> Health Care
>>> Climate Change
>>> Foreign Policy
>>> Environment
>>> On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

>>> On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

>>> Trump is crass...no class...Kasich 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats a response made to discredit the opponent, it still doesnt change the
fact the VA failed under his watch, with his knowledge, unless he didnt do
his job and read the reports. He sponsored nothing, just voted.

Twice now my dad has come near death due to VA mistakes, if we werent a
family full of people in the medical field, he would be dead, once while
bernie was being incompetent.

No, he does not have a good record for veterans, he just didnt make thing
worse directly.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring
> back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
> especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to
> vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>
> Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
> https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>
> ---
>
> "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the
> Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in
> his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
> “The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was
> nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record
> of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the
> candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday.
> “To my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that
> Hillary Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,”
> he added."
> from:
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary
>
> Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much
> likes working with Sanders.
>
> Signed,
>
> A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's
> records because it directly impacts me.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> >> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> >> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> >> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
> >> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day
> >> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
> >> >
> >> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
> >> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about
> >> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
> >> >
> >> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley" 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.
> >> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because
> >> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is
> >> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is
> >> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
> >> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do
> >> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole
> >> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
> >> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
> >> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for
> him.
> >> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that
> >> >>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just
> >> >>> thinks she deserves to be President.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled,
> >> >>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or
> >> >>> independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to
> >> >>> come forward to serve.
> >> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I
> >> >>> am afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds  >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oh, forgot:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Google's most searched 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Ken Hohhof]

BTW, is there any reason this list needs to be publicly searchable?  Is that a 
mandatory part of the hosting, or do people want it that way?  Cuz everything 
show up on Google in like milliseconds:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=could+just+be+that+a+guy+needs+a+garage+floor+drain+pit+dug+


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

could just be that a guy needs a garage floor drain pit dug 

http://urbanlegendsonline.com/helping-papa-in-the-garden/


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Of course you realize, if they're reading the list, you just told them where 
to look...


  On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:52 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

If this is my online antic they choose to light up on, im very dissapointed 
in our degree of cyber oversight. 

But in the event I disappear for a while, its been a fun ride guys... also, 
behind my garage from the very center, 3 feet out, if someone were to lift the 
patio blocks and dig down 2 feet until they found a container. That would be a 
good container to burn. I not saying anybody should destroy evidence of stuff, 
im just saying there is a spot behind my garage i wont file complain on a 
trespasser at

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Don’t be surprised if the secret service pays you a visit.  If the NSA is 
really reading the list with some bots they will flag a word that has caused 
more than one casual user of that word some grief.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 5:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

  Trump is going to ultimately save the right. He put the nail in the 
coffin for the gop. The right will have no choice after this election but to 
reorganize and resurface as something new. Trump didn't do that directly, the 
right has been a lame horse for some time, he just put her out of her misery. 
This is a good thing because when the right reemerges it will not be 
splintered. With it looking like Hilary has a looming indictment it will 
probably come down to having to choose between a useless hippie and a lunatic, 
not an ideal set of choices. This election may end up being determined by who 
is on the ticket for vp with hopes of an assassination.  

  On Mar 4, 2016 5:52 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Damn auto correct. Angry voter syndrome.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 5:49 AM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is really 
bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is about the best thing I 
can't think to say about him. 
  Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do anything to 
get elected and was the first to tap into the whole "angry court" syndrome a 
few years ago.
  Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
  Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
  On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that has 
always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just thinks she deserves 
to be President.

  The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, intelligent 
people who are either on the left, right, or independent. It is hard to believe 
this is the best willing to come forward to serve. 
  All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I am 
afraid that doesn't say a lot for us. 



  On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

Oh, forgot:

Google's most searched for policy issues, from June 23 to June 29: 
(from 1-10)

Immigration
Same-Sex Marriage
Education
Gun Control
Taxes
Economy
Health Care
Climate Change
Foreign Policy
Environment

On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  
wrote:

  http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

  On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

Trump is crass...no class...Kasich stayed focused my wife 
called it a jokevery few real issues discussedTrump can only quote 
polls...OReilly not giving in... I am surprised.   Cruz is a revisionist in his 
closing statement... Obama didn't send troops into combat...Bush did...Obama 
inherited that mess.  I take Iraq fiasco personally... my son was there and 
came back damagedwe are trying to get him healed...my brother was shot in 
legwill limp forever those are facts...I attend veterans court on 
Wednesdaysthose men and women didn't deserve to get hurt and 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Rory Conaway]

Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to bring back 
socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country, especially 
Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined to vote for a guy 
that is going to make me stand in line for toilet paper.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans

---

"McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for the 
Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for veterans in his 
role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
“The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that was nearly 
unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have a record of 
advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a question about the 
candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a press call on Wednesday. “To 
my knowledge, I know of no activity, legislative or otherwise, that Hillary 
Clinton was engaged in during her time as a United States senator,” he added."
from: 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary

Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very much 
likes working with Sanders.

Signed,

A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to Sander's 
records because it directly impacts me.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:
> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I 
>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black 
>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done 
>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though 
>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day 
>> we can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >
>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the 
>> > candidates he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about 
>> > the people, even if he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>> >
>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.  
>> >> The best candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because 
>> >> they weren't flamboyant enough to get attention.
>> >>
>> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is 
>> >>> really bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is 
>> >>> about the best thing I can't think to say about him.
>> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do 
>> >>> anything to get elected and was the first to tap into the whole 
>> >>> "angry court" syndrome a few years ago.
>> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that 
>> >>> has always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just 
>> >>> thinks she deserves to be President.
>> >>>
>> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, 
>> >>> intelligent people who are either on the left, right, or 
>> >>> independent. It is hard to believe this is the best willing to 
>> >>> come forward to serve.
>> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I 
>> >>> am afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh, forgot:
>> >>>
>> >>> Google's most searched for policy issues
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ,
>> >>> from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)
>> >>>
>> >>> Immigration
>> >>> Same-Sex Marriage
>> >>> Education
>> >>> Gun Control
>> >>> Taxes
>> >>> Economy
>> >>> Health Care
>> >>> Climate Change
>> >>> Foreign Policy
>> >>> Environment
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

[Ken Hohhof]

It’s the Samsung thing with the 4 blue lights, I think this:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/businessportals/support/splash/mb/networkextender.html

It says compatible with Verizon 3G devices, so I’m assuming it doesn’t do 
4G/LTE.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

I don't think you can use data over it.  What model is it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 4, 2016 11:18 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Not really asking what Internet speed it needs to function properly, but 
rather what you should expect to get on a smartphone connected to the Network 
Extender and not using WiFi.

  Not sure why someone would use it like this, maybe they don’t want to give 
out the WiFi password.


  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

  I have a 10/2 and it works great. I have no idea why they would use it like 
that though. I only use Wifi for data when I am connected to it. If you turn on 
the phone WiFi it won't use the femtocell for data.

  On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:38 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I know mine worked on 4x1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 4, 2016 10:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Does anyone know what Internet speed should be expected on a Verizon 
Network Extender For Business?

  I thought these were only 3G and mainly for voice, assuming if you really 
cared about data you would just connect directly to WiFi.  I remember when my 
smartphone speeds used to top out around 1M but I don't remember if those were 
the 3G days or whatever was before 3G.

  I have a customer on a 20Mx20M connection who put in a couple of these 
microcells and is complaining about Internet speeds on their smartphones only 
being around 1M, they called Verizon who blamed our Internet.  Verizon also had 
them test speed to internetfrog.com which gave significantly worse results than 
speedtest.net.  I swear the training for all microcell support reps is "blame 
the ISP". 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

[Bill Prince]

All femtocells that I know of are 3G. There will probably never be a 4G 
femtocell with the advent of WiFi calling.


So don't expect much data through a femtocell.

If they want data they should use WiFi.

bp


On 3/4/2016 7:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Does anyone know what Internet speed should be expected on a Verizon 
Network Extender For Business?


I thought these were only 3G and mainly for voice, assuming if you 
really cared about data you would just connect directly to WiFi. I 
remember when my smartphone speeds used to top out around 1M but I 
don't remember if those were the 3G days or whatever was before 3G.


I have a customer on a 20Mx20M connection who put in a couple of these 
microcells and is complaining about Internet speeds on their 
smartphones only being around 1M, they called Verizon who blamed our 
Internet.  Verizon also had them test speed to internetfrog.com which 
gave significantly worse results than speedtest.net.  I swear the 
training for all microcell support reps is "blame the ISP".

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Josh Reynolds]

Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans

---

"McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
the Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
veterans in his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs Committee.
“The fact is we were able to come together and pass legislation that
was nearly unanimous in both the House and the Senate, so he does have
a record of advocacy for our veterans,” he said in response to a
question about the candidates' positions on veterans' issues during a
press call on Wednesday. “To my knowledge, I know of no activity,
legislative or otherwise, that Hillary Clinton was engaged in during
her time as a United States senator,” he added."
from: 
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/258368-mccain-sanders-has-better-record-on-veterans-than-hillary

Yes internet warrior, even the much famed former POW John McCain very
much likes working with Sanders.

Signed,

A US Combat Veteran who has *very fucking much* paid attention to
Sander's records because it directly impacts me.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> did you really just say hes done well for veterans?
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
>> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
>> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
>> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
>> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day we
>> can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
>> >
>> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
>> > candidates
>> > he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about the people, even
>> > if
>> > he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
>> >
>> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.  The
>> >> best
>> >> candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because they weren't
>> >> flamboyant enough to get attention.
>> >>
>> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is really
>> >>> bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is about the
>> >>> best
>> >>> thing I can't think to say about him.
>> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do anything to
>> >>> get
>> >>> elected and was the first to tap into the whole "angry court" syndrome
>> >>> a few
>> >>> years ago.
>> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that has
>> >>> always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just thinks she
>> >>> deserves to be President.
>> >>>
>> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, intelligent
>> >>> people who are either on the left, right, or independent. It is hard
>> >>> to
>> >>> believe this is the best willing to come forward to serve.
>> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I am
>> >>> afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh, forgot:
>> >>>
>> >>> Google's most searched for policy issues
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ,
>> >>> from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)
>> >>>
>> >>> Immigration
>> >>> Same-Sex Marriage
>> >>> Education
>> >>> Gun Control
>> >>> Taxes
>> >>> Economy
>> >>> Health Care
>> >>> Climate Change
>> >>> Foreign Policy
>> >>> Environment
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump is crass...no class...Kasich stayed focused my
>> >>> wife called it a jokevery few real issues
>> >>> discussedTrump can only quote polls...OReilly not
>> >>> giving in... I am surprised. Cruz is a revisionist in his
>> >>> closing statement... Obama didn't send troops into
>> >>> combat...Bush did...Obama inherited 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

[Josh Luthman]

I don't think you can use data over it.  What model is it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 4, 2016 11:18 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Not really asking what Internet speed it needs to function properly, but
> rather what you should expect to get on a smartphone connected to the
> Network Extender and not using WiFi.
>
> Not sure why someone would use it like this, maybe they don’t want to give
> out the WiFi password.
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed
>
> I have a 10/2 and it works great. I have no idea why they would use it
> like that though. I only use Wifi for data when I am connected to it. If
> you turn on the phone WiFi it won't use the femtocell for data.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:38 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I know mine worked on 4x1
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 4, 2016 10:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know what Internet speed should be expected on a Verizon
>>> Network Extender For Business?
>>>
>>> I thought these were only 3G and mainly for voice, assuming if you
>>> really cared about data you would just connect directly to WiFi.  I
>>> remember when my smartphone speeds used to top out around 1M but I don't
>>> remember if those were the 3G days or whatever was before 3G.
>>>
>>> I have a customer on a 20Mx20M connection who put in a couple of these
>>> microcells and is complaining about Internet speeds on their smartphones
>>> only being around 1M, they called Verizon who blamed our Internet.  Verizon
>>> also had them test speed to internetfrog.com which gave significantly
>>> worse results than speedtest.net.  I swear the training for all
>>> microcell support reps is "blame the ISP".
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

did you really just say hes done well for veterans?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> It may be sad, but out of all of the contenders he's the only one I
> would trust. His voting record is solid, he chained himself to black
> protesters in the 60's (and was arrested in the process), has done
> well for veteran's, etc. No scandals. He's as much a Democrat though
> as Trump is a Republican - both are very independant. Maybe one day we
> can actually have a 3rd or 4th party on the tickets - but I doubt it.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > Trump/Carson would be a neat matchup
> >
> > I'm really looking forward to Sanders coming on Fox. Of all the
> candidates
> > he's the only one who actually legitimately cares about the people, even
> if
> > he is a short bus shy of a full helmet.
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.  The best
> >> candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because they weren't
> >> flamboyant enough to get attention.
> >>
> >> Lewis Bergman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is really
> >>> bigoted, or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is about the best
> >>> thing I can't think to say about him.
> >>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do anything to
> get
> >>> elected and was the first to tap into the whole "angry court" syndrome
> a few
> >>> years ago.
> >>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
> >>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
> >>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that has
> >>> always flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just thinks she
> >>> deserves to be President.
> >>>
> >>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, intelligent
> >>> people who are either on the left, right, or independent. It is hard to
> >>> believe this is the best willing to come forward to serve.
> >>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I am
> >>> afraid that doesn't say a lot for us.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, forgot:
> >>>
> >>> Google's most searched for policy issues
> >>>
> >>> <
> https://www.google.com/trends/story/c5c95ce9-6b74-4939-b112-57e405ef0109>,
> >>> from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)
> >>>
> >>> Immigration
> >>> Same-Sex Marriage
> >>> Education
> >>> Gun Control
> >>> Taxes
> >>> Economy
> >>> Health Care
> >>> Climate Change
> >>> Foreign Policy
> >>> Environment
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Trump is crass...no class...Kasich stayed focused my
> >>> wife called it a jokevery few real issues
> >>> discussedTrump can only quote polls...OReilly not
> >>> giving in... I am surprised. Cruz is a revisionist in his
> >>> closing statement... Obama didn't send troops into
> >>> combat...Bush did...Obama inherited that mess.  I take
> >>> Iraq fiasco personally... my son was there and came back
> >>> damagedwe are trying to get him healed...my brother
> >>> was shot in legwill limp forever those are
> >>> facts...I attend veterans court on Wednesdaysthose men
> >>> and women didn't deserve to get hurt and damaged in
> >>> Iraq... the enemy was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. if
> >>> I was a Republican, perish the thought,  John Kasich made
> >>> the most sense.  But I don't need to say more... the GOP
> >>> is imploding...fighting amongst itself... Romney and
> >>> Rigell really going after Trump...keep going...Lincoln and
> >>> even Reagan are spinning in their tombs..
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2016 8:46 PM, "Rory Conaway"
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Trump just responded to Rubio’s little hands comment
> >>> by referring to the size of his manhood as it pertains
> >>> to the theory of the size of a man’s hands. For that
> >>> comment alone, in a Presidential debate, he should be
> >>> appointed King.   I almost fell off the chair laughing.
> >>>
> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

[Ken Hohhof]

Not really asking what Internet speed it needs to function properly, but rather 
what you should expect to get on a smartphone connected to the Network Extender 
and not using WiFi.

Not sure why someone would use it like this, maybe they don’t want to give out 
the WiFi password.


From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon network extender data speed

I have a 10/2 and it works great. I have no idea why they would use it like 
that though. I only use Wifi for data when I am connected to it. If you turn on 
the phone WiFi it won't use the femtocell for data.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:38 AM Josh Luthman  wrote:

  I know mine worked on 4x1

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 4, 2016 10:37 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Does anyone know what Internet speed should be expected on a Verizon 
Network Extender For Business?

I thought these were only 3G and mainly for voice, assuming if you really 
cared about data you would just connect directly to WiFi.  I remember when my 
smartphone speeds used to top out around 1M but I don't remember if those were 
the 3G days or whatever was before 3G.

I have a customer on a 20Mx20M connection who put in a couple of these 
microcells and is complaining about Internet speeds on their smartphones only 
being around 1M, they called Verizon who blamed our Internet.  Verizon also had 
them test speed to internetfrog.com which gave significantly worse results than 
speedtest.net.  I swear the training for all microcell support reps is "blame 
the ISP".