Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[George Skorup]

Yes. The 450m has an Aux port capable of powering a UGPS and receiving 
sync from it. Same goes for the SyncBox Junior Aux version. I've used 
them on several 450i's and they work great. Except the GPS data, which 
Cambium still needs to fix on the 450i. They also broke autoSyncStatus 
via SNMP in 14.2.1 and up.


On 2/2/2017 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
So if the gigabit syncinjector can power the 450M (but won't supply 
sync), does that mean I can use a 4 channel Gigabit POE injector for 
power, and use a SyncBox Junior for sync?


-bp


On Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:44 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:



Hi Sean, since the 15.0.2.1 firmware release, have you had a chance to 
hang the 450m yet? If so, how is it performing?


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


Hi Gang,

sorry I'm late to the conversation.

We have successfully provided sync over power to our 450m's using:
1.  Packetflux gigabit sync injector.
2.  Lastmile gear CTM2 (power option G - you need the latest firmware)

We have successfully provided sync over timing port to our 450m's
using:
1.  Cambium uGPS
2.  Packetflux sync box 12 (rev I0)


Hope that helps!

-Sean





On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Traveling Diner
mailto:ccie4...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So we had two of three 450Ms walk in the door today. And we
haven't bought power or GPS for them yet waiting to see what
was going to happen with either CMM5 or PFlux support for
them. Which now puts us at an awsh*t point because we'd really
like to get these up on a tower. Could someone (Forrest, Sean,
et al.) please weigh in authoritatively on whether we can
safely do this with PFlux or if we need to order the
standalone power and UGPS in the interim?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

I'm confused because the official position is that the
450m uses "Cambium Sync" (whatever the hell that is). But
Sean said he has a 450m receiving sync over power (aka
Canopy Sync) from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync I believe.
Apparently the hardware does support it.


On 12/14/2016 5:05 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:

Other than supporting Sync over power for Medusa, what
else does the new CMM5 give you over the competition?

http://www.doubleradius.com/Ma
nufacturers/Accessories_34/


Is Sync over power for 450m on the Packetflux roadmap?







--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

[AFMUG] "Up to x mbps"

[Adam Moffett]

http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2017/02/01/lawsuit-spectrum-time-warner-built-scheme-defraud/97350264/

TL;DR : State of NY is suing Spectrum for defrauding consumers.  Some of 
the claims in the suit:
Selling 300mbps internet and providing an older model modem only capable 
of 20mbpsSelling 300mbps internet and providing an older router only 
capable of 100mbpsOnly providing advertised speed during off-peak 
hoursTW Ignored request from call center to put customer on packages 
with achievable speedsTW rejected advice from it's own engineers that 
modem upgrades were required to meet advertised claimsTW rejected an 
Engineer's proposal that customers' the price billed should be shifted 
to a tier at which their equipment could perform
Spectrum is basically saying "Hey that was Time Warner doing all that, 
we're Spectrum now."

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Colin Stanners]

I'm careful of possibly aged-on-shelf batteries as well, but our purchasing
from TelecomSurplus has been great so my first assumption would be that
these are OK - best to contact them and ask.

On Feb 2, 2017 6:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> Pretty suspicious of "surplus" batteries that have been sitting around
> self discharging for a long time.
>
> Sunelec.com is selling Outback 106RE batteries (12V 100Ah) at $185 ea.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> TelecomSurplus recently mailed:
>> C&D Technologies TEL Long Duration Series Batteries
>> 100 Ah AGM with Front Access  In Stock & Ready to Ship!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
>>> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
>>> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[David Milholen]

Im just the opposite.

All of our Sync/control are CMM4/CTM2 and now CMM5. I cant argue price 
point but I cant argue total reliability either. Since our total cambium 
deployment of cmm4


the  sync just works ,the surge protection just works and the poe just 
works. This year we did not lose a single device on any of the 20 towers 
we have in operation.


Since the surface of PMP450i radios I have been waiting way too long for 
the CMM5. We have 2 to deploy this week.


I am really liking the gui on the cmm5 and it seems there are a ton of 
oid's for stuff as well so nice job on the box.


There are no moving parts IE fans but heatsinks YESS..

Oh and yes GigE compatible for sure so definitely thumbs up!




On 12/14/2016 9:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
cmms are alot of $$$, we have one cmm4 still sitting new on a shelf 
because once we got into packetflux (after going the cyclone route) we 
never looked back. There is just too much variance in what this 
industry does to be locked into a 600 dollar power supply and their 
switch, and I assume it still needs coax to a GPS antenna, too 
cumbersome, too expensive and little to no versatility. not to 
mention, one surge and youre out thousands, where with packetflux 
youre only out affected modules. Plus forrest is a genius and will 
deal directly with you if there is an issue, that doesnt hurt. snmp 
monitoring is..odd though


On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:11 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


From what I've read so far, the Aux port on the 450m is functional
as a timing port, but not as a second ethernet yet. So you should
be able to do a UGPS. I believe the SyncBox Junior Aux Port
version should work as well, which would be my preference.

As far as powering them.. nothin wrong with a regular ol
GIGE-POE-APC from Chuck and a 5ch PDU from Forrest to feed/remote
power cycle them. Or hell, even just a GigE PowerInjector+Sync and
turn the sync off (or don't connect a sync pipe) if you find that
they don't want to receive sync over power. Leaving the SyncBox
Junior Aux on them as a backup timing source w/ AutoSync isn't a
half bad idea either.


On 12/14/2016 8:21 PM, Traveling Diner wrote:

So we had two of three 450Ms walk in the door today. And we
haven't bought power or GPS for them yet waiting to see what was
going to happen with either CMM5 or PFlux support for them. Which
now puts us at an awsh*t point because we'd really like to get
these up on a tower. Could someone (Forrest, Sean, et al.) please
weigh in authoritatively on whether we can safely do this with
PFlux or if we need to order the standalone power and UGPS in the
interim?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

I'm confused because the official position is that the 450m
uses "Cambium Sync" (whatever the hell that is). But Sean
said he has a 450m receiving sync over power (aka Canopy
Sync) from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync I believe. Apparently
the hardware does support it.


On 12/14/2016 5:05 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:

Other than supporting Sync over power for Medusa, what
else does the new CMM5 give you over the competition?

http://www.doubleradius.com/Manufacturers/Accessories_34/


Is Sync over power for 450m on the Packetflux roadmap?








--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[Bill Prince]

So if the gigabit syncinjector can power the 450M (but won't supply sync), does 
that mean I can use a 4 channel Gigabit POE injector for power, and use a 
SyncBox Junior for sync?
-bp 

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:44 PM, Sam Lambie  
wrote:
 

 Hi Sean, since the 15.0.2.1 firmware release, have you had a chance to hang 
the 450m yet? If so, how is it performing?

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Hi Gang,
sorry I'm late to the conversation.  
We have successfully provided sync over power to our 450m's using:1.  
Packetflux gigabit sync injector.2.  Lastmile gear CTM2 (power option G - you 
need the latest firmware)
We have successfully provided sync over timing port to our 450m's using:1.  
Cambium uGPS2.  Packetflux sync box 12 (rev I0)

Hope that helps!
-Sean




On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Traveling Diner  wrote:

So we had two of three 450Ms walk in the door today. And we haven't bought 
power or GPS for them yet waiting to see what was going to happen with either 
CMM5 or PFlux support for them. Which now puts us at an awsh*t point because 
we'd really like to get these up on a tower. Could someone (Forrest, Sean, et 
al.) please weigh in authoritatively on whether we can safely do this with 
PFlux or if we need to order the standalone power and UGPS in the interim?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I'm confused because the official position is that the 450m uses "Cambium Sync" 
(whatever the hell that is). But Sean said he has a 450m receiving sync over 
power (aka Canopy Sync) from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync I believe. Apparently 
the hardware does support it.

On 12/14/2016 5:05 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:

Other than supporting Sync over power for Medusa, what else does the new CMM5 
give you over the competition?

http://www.doubleradius.com/Ma nufacturers/Accessories_34/

Is Sync over power for 450m on the Packetflux roadmap?










-- 
-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Pretty suspicious of "surplus" batteries that have been sitting around self
discharging for a long time.

Sunelec.com is selling Outback 106RE batteries (12V 100Ah) at $185 ea.



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> TelecomSurplus recently mailed:
> C&D Technologies TEL Long Duration Series Batteries
> 100 Ah AGM with Front Access  In Stock & Ready to Ship!
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
>> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
>> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Ken Hohhof]

Graybar has a Joliet warehouse, I wonder if you are within their delivery area.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

IMC is special order at all of the Menards around here.

On 2/2/2017 5:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

For anyone who has never worked with IMC, compared to rigid conduit it is 
lighter, stronger, has more interior space, and costs less.  It is however more 
difficult to hand bend and in some areas may be harder to find.  Rigid conduit 
is extruded, IMC is formed out of sheet stock and welded, the forming process 
work-hardens the steel making it stiffer.  IMC is also useful for antenna mast. 
 Aluminum conduit is much more flexible than either rigid or IMC and not so 
good as antenna mast.

 

Pretty much any electrical supply company will carry IMC, rigid, EMT, PVC, 
possibly aluminum, whatever is allowed under local codes.  Hardware stores and 
home stores tend not to carry IMC, although I know of one Ace HW that stocks it 
rather than rigid conduit.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

We've done 1-1/4" and 2" Sch40 PVC up water towers and grain legs. Clamp every 
3-4 feet or it will get all slinky.

On 2/2/2017 1:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Straight PVC conduit is cheaper than flex. 

 

If you used IMC, like Ken is saying, then it's rugged as hell and you'd never 
get a better RF shielding than that.

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >

To:   "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 2/2/2017 1:35:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  We're only 
looking at a 76 foot silo.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like that 
Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff, maybe 
Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.  Serious 
electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big box stores 
tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC and 
just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto 
the platform at some grain legs.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

There isn't enough beer in the county.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Beer Goggles

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

 

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir. 

 

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have to 
assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put in a 
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that stuff makes 
it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires and you 
don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose necks 
or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is facing 
earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is 
this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Colin Stanners]

TelecomSurplus recently mailed:
C&D Technologies TEL Long Duration Series Batteries
100 Ah AGM with Front Access  In Stock & Ready to Ship!

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
something like the Trojan T31 or similar.

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[George Skorup]

IMC is special order at all of the Menards around here.

On 2/2/2017 5:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


For anyone who has never worked with IMC, compared to rigid conduit it 
is lighter, stronger, has more interior space, and costs less.  It is 
however more difficult to hand bend and in some areas may be harder to 
find.  Rigid conduit is extruded, IMC is formed out of sheet stock and 
welded, the forming process work-hardens the steel making it stiffer. 
IMC is also useful for antenna mast.  Aluminum conduit is much more 
flexible than either rigid or IMC and not so good as antenna mast.


Pretty much any electrical supply company will carry IMC, rigid, EMT, 
PVC, possibly aluminum, whatever is allowed under local codes.  
Hardware stores and home stores tend not to carry IMC, although I know 
of one Ace HW that stocks it rather than rigid conduit.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

We've done 1-1/4" and 2" Sch40 PVC up water towers and grain legs. 
Clamp every 3-4 feet or it will get all slinky.


On 2/2/2017 1:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Straight PVC conduit is cheaper than flex.

If you used IMC, like Ken is saying, then it's rugged as hell and
you'd never get a better RF shielding than that.

-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>

To: "af@afmug.com"  mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/2/2017 1:35:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run
inside?  We're only looking at a 76 foot silo.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand
stuff now.  I like that Menards carries a lot of
made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff, maybe
Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an
Illinois thing. Serious electrical parts I head to
Graybar. The flexible conduit at big box stores tends to
be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with
rigid or IMC and just use flexible for the part that has
to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto the platform at
some grain legs.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

There isn't enough beer in the county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Beer Goggles

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot
is a man's storeLots of cute ones
too...zaz

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir.

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would
match up or anything so I have to assume this
isn't the liquidtite brand.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

If you use liquidtite and use the proper
connectors, you don’t need to put in a
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out. 
Any bend you make in t

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Ken Hohhof]

For anyone who has never worked with IMC, compared to rigid conduit it is 
lighter, stronger, has more interior space, and costs less.  It is however more 
difficult to hand bend and in some areas may be harder to find.  Rigid conduit 
is extruded, IMC is formed out of sheet stock and welded, the forming process 
work-hardens the steel making it stiffer.  IMC is also useful for antenna mast. 
 Aluminum conduit is much more flexible than either rigid or IMC and not so 
good as antenna mast.

 

Pretty much any electrical supply company will carry IMC, rigid, EMT, PVC, 
possibly aluminum, whatever is allowed under local codes.  Hardware stores and 
home stores tend not to carry IMC, although I know of one Ace HW that stocks it 
rather than rigid conduit.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

We've done 1-1/4" and 2" Sch40 PVC up water towers and grain legs. Clamp every 
3-4 feet or it will get all slinky.

On 2/2/2017 1:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Straight PVC conduit is cheaper than flex. 

 

If you used IMC, like Ken is saying, then it's rugged as hell and you'd never 
get a better RF shielding than that.

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >

To:   "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 2/2/2017 1:35:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  We're only 
looking at a 76 foot silo.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like that 
Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff, maybe 
Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.  Serious 
electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big box stores 
tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC and 
just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto 
the platform at some grain legs.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

There isn't enough beer in the county.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Beer Goggles

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

 

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir. 

 

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have to 
assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put in a 
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that stuff makes 
it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires and you 
don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose necks 
or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is facing 
earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is 
this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[Sam Lambie]

Hi Sean, since the 15.0.2.1 firmware release, have you had a chance to hang
the 450m yet? If so, how is it performing?

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> sorry I'm late to the conversation.
>
> We have successfully provided sync over power to our 450m's using:
> 1.  Packetflux gigabit sync injector.
> 2.  Lastmile gear CTM2 (power option G - you need the latest firmware)
>
> We have successfully provided sync over timing port to our 450m's using:
> 1.  Cambium uGPS
> 2.  Packetflux sync box 12 (rev I0)
>
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Traveling Diner 
> wrote:
>
>> So we had two of three 450Ms walk in the door today. And we haven't
>> bought power or GPS for them yet waiting to see what was going to happen
>> with either CMM5 or PFlux support for them. Which now puts us at an awsh*t
>> point because we'd really like to get these up on a tower. Could someone
>> (Forrest, Sean, et al.) please weigh in authoritatively on whether we can
>> safely do this with PFlux or if we need to order the standalone power and
>> UGPS in the interim?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused because the official position is that the 450m uses
>>> "Cambium Sync" (whatever the hell that is). But Sean said he has a 450m
>>> receiving sync over power (aka Canopy Sync) from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync
>>> I believe. Apparently the hardware does support it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/14/2016 5:05 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
>>>
 Other than supporting Sync over power for Medusa, what else does the
 new CMM5 give you over the competition?

 http://www.doubleradius.com/Manufacturers/Accessories_34/

 Is Sync over power for 450m on the Packetflux roadmap?

>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[George Skorup]

We've done 1-1/4" and 2" Sch40 PVC up water towers and grain legs. Clamp 
every 3-4 feet or it will get all slinky.


On 2/2/2017 1:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Straight PVC conduit is cheaper than flex.
If you used IMC, like Ken is saying, then it's rugged as hell and 
you'd never get a better RF shielding than that.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 2/2/2017 1:35:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  
We're only looking at a 76 foot silo.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now. 
I like that Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for

manly stuff, maybe Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might
be an Illinois thing.  Serious electrical parts I head to
Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big box stores tends to be
crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC
and just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible. 
Like getting up onto the platform at some grain legs.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

There isn't enough beer in the county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Beer Goggles

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a
man's storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir.

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up
or anything so I have to assume this isn't the
liquidtite brand.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

If you use liquidtite and use the proper
connectors, you don’t need to put in a drip loop
or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make
in that stuff makes it harder to pull the wires
through.  But if you can pull the wires and you
don’t have connectors then what you are
describing is just fine.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

This is our first time ever using conduit. Lowe's
didn't have any goose necks or anything so I'm
thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo
and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is this what
everyone else does or is there an alternative?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats was it, you guys fucking heros

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yep, I just did it.  When you save as PNG you get the dialog box and you
> can select white to be transparent.  I think this is a basic feature of PNG
> files.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
> When you save the image there's a checkbox to make white transparent.
> Make sure the background is actually white.  I think in image properties
> it's brightness 100%, contrast 0%.  Or in some later version he added a
> "white background" radio button.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:37:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought
> there was an opacity setting that made the white clear
> i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that
> everytime i use it it burns two days
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the
>> Google Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what
>> you're thinking of.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>>
>> I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break
>> then
>> 
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>>
>> Nah, it still works.
>> Plot coverage on a white background.
>> Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
>> A KML gets saved alongside the image.
>>
>> Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will
>> contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email
>> multiple files to people.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>>
>> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
>> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
>> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
>> a requirement and there are other specifics
>>
>> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
>> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Chuck McCown]

Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier failure.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC site, 
wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less maintenance?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Ah yes, I see.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Perfect for off-grid solar backup.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want

  Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
  
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC site,
wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less maintenance?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ah yes, I see.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
>
>
> Perfect for off-grid solar backup.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I Want
>
> Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.
>
> Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] I Want
>
>
> Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
> https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-
> Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=
> google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, I just did it.  When you save as PNG you get the dialog box and you can 
select white to be transparent.  I think this is a basic feature of PNG files.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

When you save the image there's a checkbox to make white transparent.
Make sure the background is actually white.  I think in image properties it's 
brightness 100%, contrast 0%.  Or in some later version he added a "white 
background" radio button.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:37:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought there 
was an opacity setting that made the white clear 
  i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that 
everytime i use it it burns two days

  On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the Google 
Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what you're 
thinking of.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break 
then
  


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

Nah, it still works. 
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email 
multiple files to people.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the 
target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

  if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Adam Moffett]

When you save the image there's a checkbox to make white transparent.
Make sure the background is actually white.  I think in image properties 
it's brightness 100%, contrast 0%.  Or in some later version he added a 
"white background" radio button.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:37:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought 
there was an opacity setting that made the white clear
i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that 
everytime i use it it burns two days


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the 
Google Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be 
what you're thinking of.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google 
earth


I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will 
break then




-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google 
earth



Nah, it still works.
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to 
email multiple files to people.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im 
plotting for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the 
guy to go to the target areas marking structures. being able to 
interact in google earth is a requirement and there are other 
specifics


if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was 
going to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Chuck McCown]

May have to save as PNG too.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

Did you set picture properties to white?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought there was 
an opacity setting that made the white clear 
i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that everytime 
i use it it burns two days

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the Google 
Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what you're 
thinking of.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break 
then



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  Nah, it still works. 
  Plot coverage on a white background.
  Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
  A KML gets saved alongside the image.

  Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email 
multiple files to people.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the 
target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Chuck McCown]

Did you set picture properties to white?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought there was 
an opacity setting that made the white clear 
i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that everytime 
i use it it burns two days

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the Google 
Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what you're 
thinking of.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break 
then



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  Nah, it still works. 
  Plot coverage on a white background.
  Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
  A KML gets saved alongside the image.

  Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email 
multiple files to people.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the 
target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

so that works, but the white is still showing up. somewhere i thought there
was an opacity setting that made the white clear
i wish i used RM regularly, its so good, bet its so intermittent that
everytime i use it it burns two days

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the Google
> Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what you're
> thinking of.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break
> then
> 
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> Nah, it still works.
> Plot coverage on a white background.
> Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
> A KML gets saved alongside the image.
>
> Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will contain
> the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email multiple
> files to people.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
> a requirement and there are other specifics
>
> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Chuck McCown]

So if propagation must be legally controlled, is Tim Hardy the equivalent of... 
condem salesmen or a diaphram fitters or perhaps a dating service?  A dating 
service the wants to see your birth control methods prior to the first date.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

thanks! 

there is a joke about pence overriding him because stopping propagation is like 
abortion in there somewhere, but im not on my A game

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break then
  


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

Nah, it still works. 
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will contain 
the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email multiple 
files to people.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for 
midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the target 
areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

  if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to 
break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Adam Moffett]

Seriously though, I think loading overlays was broken in either the 
Google Maps API or Google Earth API at some pointthat might be what 
you're thinking of.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will 
break then




-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth


Nah, it still works.
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to 
email multiple files to people.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to 
the target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google 
earth is a requirement and there are other specifics


if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thanks!

there is a joke about pence overriding him because stopping propagation is
like abortion in there somewhere, but im not on my A game

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will break
> then
> 
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> Nah, it still works.
> Plot coverage on a white background.
> Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
> A KML gets saved alongside the image.
>
> Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will contain
> the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to email multiple
> files to people.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
>
> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
> a requirement and there are other specifics
>
> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Adam Moffett]

Ah yes, I see.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want


Perfect for off-grid solar backup.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want


Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Chuck McCown]

Perfect for off-grid solar backup.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want

  Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
  
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Adam Moffett]

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want


Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A

[AFMUG] I Want

[Chuck McCown]

Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Adam Moffett]

I heard Trump was gonna deport Roger Coude though, so maybe it will 
break then




-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth


Nah, it still works.
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to 
email multiple files to people.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to 
the target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google 
earth is a requirement and there are other specifics


if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Adam Moffett]

Nah, it still works.
Plot coverage on a white background.
Save image as a PNG with white as transparent.
A KML gets saved alongside the image.

Open KML in Google Earth, then re-save it as a KMZ.   The KMZ will 
contain the image and the KML in one file.otherwise you have to 
email multiple files to people.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting 
for midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to 
the target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google 
earth is a requirement and there are other specifics


if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going 
to break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
a requirement and there are other specifics

if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

[Steve Utick]

Cool, thank you for confirming that Peter.


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> I use the same template for both my 1200’s and 2200’s.. the MIB/Software
> is the same.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <(510)%20868-1614>
> Mobile: 510-207- <(510)%20207->
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?
>
>
>
> Will do!
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Utick <
> sut...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?
>
>
>
> Please let me know if it works for the 2200, so I know for future
> reference.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Thanks! Will try!
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Utick <
> sut...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:30 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?
>
>
>
> I don't have any 2200's to test on, but if they didn't change the OID's
> between the 1200 and the 2200 then...  I've got a 1200 one on my site at:
> http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-siklu.zip   Worth a shot to try at
> least.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone has a Cacti probe for Siklu 2200 radios?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Adam Moffett]

Straight PVC conduit is cheaper than flex.

If you used IMC, like Ken is saying, then it's rugged as hell and you'd 
never get a better RF shielding than that.




-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/2/2017 1:35:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  
We're only looking at a 76 foot silo.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I 
like that Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly 
stuff, maybe Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an 
Illinois thing.  Serious electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The 
flexible conduit at big box stores tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer 
to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC and just use flexible for 
the part that has to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto the platform 
at some grain legs.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo



There isn't enough beer in the county.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


Beer Goggles



From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo



Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz




On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:



Awesome, thank you sir.



Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so 
I have to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:


If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t 
need to put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend 
you make in that stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  
But if you can pull the wires and you don’t have connectors then 
what you are describing is just fine.




From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo



This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any 
goose necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up 
(so the opening is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo 
and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does 
or is there an alternative?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Ken Hohhof]

If I go to Culvers between 4 and 5pm, I’m the youngest customer in the place.  
I’ll order the fish though.  Maybe the term “Butter Burger” just sounds 
unhealthy.  That never stopped me from ordering a Big Boy though.  I don’t 
think we have Big Boys in Illinois anymore.  One of the WISPAmericas there was 
a Big Boy down the street.  Yum.  Big Boy, fries, shake, and a slice of pie.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

 

I do like 5guys, but I think culvers is better.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.

I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from almost 
any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for removing all 
taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a Smashburger with 
McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or Meatheads.  I'll even 
take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes like grilled meat.  I don't 
understand the appeal of Five Guys though.  Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed 
in a bag to make the bun all ugly.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in a 
lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the 
fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure I 
can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions if you 
can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?  But if you 
want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren Buffet, that's OK 
too.  It would not be my choice.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Then It's not my problem anymore?

On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> What about when you're dead or get a new job?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
>> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
>> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
>> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
>> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
>>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
>>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
>>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
>>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
>>> a later date.
>>>
>>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
>>> To: af@afmug.com  
>>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>>
 Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
 cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.

 On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912  
> j...@brazoswifi.com  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com> >
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
> can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
> no power, but want to put a switch t

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Chuck McCown]

Unless you are a farmer in Quincy, Illinois.  They kick out smelly farmers.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

I do like 5guys, but I think culvers is better.

On Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.

  I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from 
almost any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for removing 
all taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a Smashburger with 
McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or Meatheads.  I'll even 
take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes like grilled meat.  I don't 
understand the appeal of Five Guys though.  Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed 
in a bag to make the bun all ugly.


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

  How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in a 
lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.

  -Original Message-
  From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

  Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the 
fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure I 
can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions if you 
can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?  But if you 
want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren Buffet, that's OK 
too.  It would not be my choice.


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

  Then It's not my problem anymore?

  On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  > What about when you're dead or get a new job?
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Nate Burke" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
  >
  >> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
  >> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
  >> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
  >> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  >>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
  >>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
  >>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
  >>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
  >>> bad.
  >>>
  >>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
  >>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
  >>> a later date.
  >>>
  >>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -- Original Message --
  >>> From: "Nate Burke" 
  >>> To: af@afmug.com
  >>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
  >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
  >>>
   Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
   cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
  
   On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
  > http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
  >
  > POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
  >
  > Jim Bouse
  > Owner
  > Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
  > 979-985-5912
  > j...@brazoswifi.com
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
  > To: Animal Farm 
  > Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
  >
  > Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
  > can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
  > no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP
  > Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and
  > subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the
  > offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is
  > something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through
  > the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that
  > took the POE straight in one of the ports.
  
  >>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Mathew Howard]

Culvers meat has no taste... 5 guys is good, but definitely over priced.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I do like 5guys, but I think culvers is better.
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.
>>
>> I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from
>> almost any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for
>> removing all taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a
>> Smashburger with McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or
>> Meatheads.  I'll even take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes
>> like grilled meat.  I don't understand the appeal of Five Guys though.
>> Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed in a bag to make the bun all ugly.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>
>> How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat
>> in a lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>
>> Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half
>> the fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not
>> sure I can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making
>> millions if you can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a
>> cannon?  But if you want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like
>> Warren Buffet, that's OK too.  It would not be my choice.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>
>> Then It's not my problem anymore?
>>
>> On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> > What about when you're dead or get a new job?
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Nate Burke" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>> >
>> >> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
>> >> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
>> >> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
>> >> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
>> >>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
>> >>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
>> >>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
>> >>> bad.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
>> >>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
>> >>> a later date.
>> >>>
>> >>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Original Message --
>> >>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>> >>>
>>  Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
>>  cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
>> 
>>  On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>> > http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>> >
>> > POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>> >
>> > Jim Bouse
>> > Owner
>> > Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>> > 979-985-5912
>> > j...@brazoswifi.com
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
>> > To: Animal Farm 
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>> >
>> > Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
>> > can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
>> > no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP
>> > Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and
>> > subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the
>> > offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is
>> > something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through
>> > the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that
>> > took the POE straight in one of the ports.
>> 
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Josh Reynolds]

I do like 5guys, but I think culvers is better.

On Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.
>
> I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from
> almost any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for
> removing all taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a
> Smashburger with McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or
> Meatheads.  I'll even take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes
> like grilled meat.  I don't understand the appeal of Five Guys though.
> Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed in a bag to make the bun all ugly.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in
> a lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the
> fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure
> I can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions
> if you can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?
> But if you want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren
> Buffet, that's OK too.  It would not be my choice.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Then It's not my problem anymore?
>
> On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > What about when you're dead or get a new job?
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Nate Burke" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >
> >> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
> >> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
> >> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
> >> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
> >>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
> >>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
> >>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
> >>> bad.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
> >>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
> >>> a later date.
> >>>
> >>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Original Message --
> >>> From: "Nate Burke" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >>>
>  Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
>  cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
> 
>  On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> > http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
> >
> > POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
> >
> > Jim Bouse
> > Owner
> > Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> > 979-985-5912
> > j...@brazoswifi.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >
> > Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
> > can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
> > no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP
> > Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and
> > subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the
> > offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is
> > something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through
> > the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that
> > took the POE straight in one of the ports.
> 
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Ken Hohhof]

News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.

I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from almost 
any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for removing all 
taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a Smashburger with 
McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or Meatheads.  I'll even 
take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes like grilled meat.  I don't 
understand the appeal of Five Guys though.  Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed 
in a bag to make the bun all ugly.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in a 
lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the 
fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure I 
can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions if you 
can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?  But if you 
want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren Buffet, that's OK 
too.  It would not be my choice.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Then It's not my problem anymore?

On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> What about when you're dead or get a new job?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
>> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is 
>> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And 
>> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that 
>> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the 
>>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something 
>>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or 
>>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just 
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, 
>>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at 
>>> a later date.
>>>
>>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>>
 Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
 cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.

 On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that 
> can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with 
> no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP 
> Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and 
> subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the 
> offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
> something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through 
> the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that 
> took the POE straight in one of the ports.

>>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Tim Reichhart]

See where I am at I got access to:

Lowes
Home Depot
Rural King
Menards

This is in Ohio

I get most of my conduit is from Menards since I am only 15mins away from the 
local store. Where as Lowes/Rural King I am about 45mins away and Closes Home 
Depot is about hour away from me.



-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 02/02/17 01:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  We're only 
looking at a 76 foot silo.
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like that 
Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff, maybe 
Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.  Serious 
electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big box stores 
tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC and 
just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto 
the platform at some grain legs.
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
 
There isn't enough beer in the county.




 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 
 
 
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Beer Goggles

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
 
 

 
 

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

 

 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

 

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
Awesome, thank you sir. 
 

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have to 
assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
 

 

 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don't need to put in a 
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that stuff makes 
it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires and you 
don't have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
 
 

 
 

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose necks 
or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is facing 
earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is 
this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Jaime Solorza]

I always go a bit bigger on conduit than I need... Makes life easier..

On Feb 2, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  We're
only looking at a 76 foot silo.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like
> that Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff,
> maybe Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.
> Serious electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big
> box stores tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with
> rigid or IMC and just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.
> Like getting up onto the platform at some grain legs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> There isn't enough beer in the county.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
>
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Beer Goggles
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
>
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's
> storeLots of cute ones too...zaz
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, thank you sir.
>
>
>
> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have
> to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put
> in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
> fine.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Chuck McCown]

How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in a 
lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the 
fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure 
I can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions if 
you can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?  But 
if you want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren Buffet, 
that's OK too.  It would not be my choice.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Then It's not my problem anymore?

On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What about when you're dead or get a new job?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V


OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).



On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
bad.

I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
a later date.

IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.




-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V


Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.

On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP
Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and
subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the
offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is
something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through
the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that
took the POE straight in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Josh Luthman]

Is the advantage of straight runs just a smoother line run inside?  We're
only looking at a 76 foot silo.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like
> that Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff,
> maybe Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.
> Serious electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big
> box stores tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with
> rigid or IMC and just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.
> Like getting up onto the platform at some grain legs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> There isn't enough beer in the county.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Beer Goggles
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's
> storeLots of cute ones too...zaz
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Awesome, thank you sir.
>
>
>
> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have
> to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put
> in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
> fine.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
>
>
> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Ken Hohhof]

Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the 
fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure I 
can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions if you 
can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?  But if you 
want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren Buffet, that's OK 
too.  It would not be my choice.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Then It's not my problem anymore?

On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> What about when you're dead or get a new job?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
>> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is 
>> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And 
>> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that 
>> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the 
>>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something 
>>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or 
>>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just 
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, 
>>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at 
>>> a later date.
>>>
>>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>>
 Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
 cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.

 On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that 
> can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with 
> no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP 
> Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and 
> subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the 
> offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
> something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through 
> the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that 
> took the POE straight in one of the ports.

>>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Gino Villarini]

A bigger netonix? And power it by extracting the POE and feeding to the DC
ports?

On 2/2/17, 11:38 AM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"  wrote:

>Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 cameras.
>Still very low power draw overall.
>
>On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>>
>> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner
>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>
>> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do
>>both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power,
>>but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt
>>cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1
>>or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but
>>wondering if there is something else that might be a little cheaper.  I
>>looked through the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not
>>one's that took the POE straight in one of the ports.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Ken Hohhof]

Home Depot has too much made-in-China-HomeDepot-brand stuff now.  I like that 
Menards carries a lot of made-in-USA stuff.  But for manly stuff, maybe 
Farm&Fleet?  We have Rural King but that might be an Illinois thing.  Serious 
electrical parts I head to Graybar.  The flexible conduit at big box stores 
tends to be crap.  Also, I prefer to do the straight runs with rigid or IMC and 
just use flexible for the part that has to be … flexible.  Like getting up onto 
the platform at some grain legs.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

There isn't enough beer in the county.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Beer Goggles

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

 

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir. 

 

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have to 
assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put in a 
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that stuff makes 
it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires and you 
don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose necks 
or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is facing 
earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is 
this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Nate Burke]

Then It's not my problem anymore?

On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What about when you're dead or get a new job?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is 
no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And 
it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that 
rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).




On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the 
cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something 
bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or 
blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just 
bad.


I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, 
but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at 
a later date.


IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.




-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.


On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that 
can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with 
no power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP 
Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and 
subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the 
offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through 
the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that 
took the POE straight in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Josh Luthman]

There isn't enough beer in the county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Beer Goggles
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
> Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's
>> storeLots of cute ones too...zaz
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, thank you sir.
>>>
>>> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I
>>> have to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to
 put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
 stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
 wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
 fine.

 *From:* Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

 This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any
 goose necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the
 opening is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the
 shack/our NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an
 alternative?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Chuck McCown]

Beer Goggles

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's 
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

  On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Awesome, thank you sir. 

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have 
to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to 
put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that 
stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires 
and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

  This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose 
necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is 
facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box. 
 Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Josh Luthman]

Home Depot is in Piqua.  There are no cute ones in Piqua.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's
> storeLots of cute ones too...zaz
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, thank you sir.
>>
>> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I
>> have to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to
>>> put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
>>> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
>>> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>>>
>>> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
>>> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
>>> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
>>> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Jaime Solorza]

Lowe's is for chicks and girly menHome Depot is a man's
storeLots of cute ones too...zaz

On Feb 2, 2017 8:03 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Awesome, thank you sir.
>
> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have
> to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to
>> put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
>> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
>> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
>> fine.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>>
>> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
>> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
>> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
>> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

how many, of what type cables can you get in that 1 1/2?
we did 4" grey pvc once, but with expansion joints and those big LBs it got
pretty pricey pretty quick and the mounting turned out to be more
complicated than expected

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I use 1 1/2" shielded liquitite from the local electrical wholesaler.  We
> put 'breakout boxes' every 15' or so to attach the cable inside, so that it
> doesn't have to support it's own weight.
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, thank you sir.
>>
>> Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I
>> have to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to
>>> put in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
>>> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
>>> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>>>
>>> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
>>> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
>>> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
>>> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Urgently Looking for Andrew 6 ghz 3' Feedhorn

[Chuck McCown]

I might be able to repair it.  Send photos.  


From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Urgently Looking for Andrew 6 ghz 3' Feedhorn

Broke in transit, need to replace it. 

Link in place! 

Anyone can spare one, I will replace


  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

[AFMUG] Urgently Looking for Andrew 6 ghz 3' Feedhorn

[Gino Villarini]

Broke in transit, need to replace it.

Link in place!

Anyone can spare one, I will replace



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

[Josh Reynolds]

NETCONF is for configuration, not data export.

XML formatting is nice, and might be useful in a monitoring method not
reliant on MIBs.

I've actually been rolling this around in my brain today... Like if I were
to build a open standard for a real SNMP replacement, what features would
it have?

Authentication
Delivery Reliability
Multiple Endpoints
Per-Metric Subscription (Per Endpoint)
Low network overhead
Low CPU overhead
Data Push as well as Data Pull
Structured, descriptive data format
Optional Encryption


I have some ideas on how to accomplish most of this, but I'm curious as to
what else people want/need.


On Feb 1, 2017 10:49 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Netconf
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/1/2017 11:19:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>
> Like SNMP and DNS
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Feb 1, 2017 7:21 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> SNMP is an old technology and has needed to be replaced for a while.
>> (Un)Fortunately, it's universal.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:23:43 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>>
>> Thanks Simon.  Yes my understanding is that Telrad is going to eventually
>> abandon the "Star ACS" system they inherited from Alvaion and put at least
>> some TR-69 functions into Breezeview.  I have heard as stated goals that
>> Breezeview will collect performance data from the CPE and perform bulk
>> firmware updates.  If that's all they ever put into Breezeview, that might
>> be enough.  Eventually I'll probably want to do something to every CPE.  I
>> don't know specifically what it will bemaybe I'll want to add a
>> firewall rule to everybody or lock out another operator's PLMN ID.  When
>> that day comes it's either a long, tedious labor investment or have TR-69.
>>
>> I don't understand the resistance to SNMP in the LTE world.  Not Invented
>> Here?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Simon Westlake" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/1/2017 10:49:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>>
>> I think this is just the way it goes. TR069 is, unfortunately, not a
>> simple plug and play solution. Any third party system you get is going to
>> require some configuration and fiddling to get working.
>>
>> I know a few people using http://www.friendly-tech.com/p
>> roducts/tr-069-device-management but I don't know how much it costs.
>> Since some WISPs are using it, I'm guessing it's less than the cost of a
>> car, but I could be wrong..
>>
>> I think Telrad has something coming out too, but I'm not 100% sure on
>> that.
>>
>> On 2/1/2017 9:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> On a related topic, what about TR69 software?
>>
>> I saw GenieACS and FreeACS, but they both required a big time investment.
>>
>> Commercial TR69 servers appear to all be big $.  I'm wondering if there's
>> something basic that costs less than a used car :)
>> We paid $6k for a TR69 ACS and it's junk.  The front end is a JBoss web
>> page, and it's fussy about which JRE and browser you use with it.  An
>> unexpected reset broke something in the backend database, and the vendor
>> had to get in and fix it.and apparently we're not allowed to know what
>> the fix is, so if it ever happens again the system will just be down until
>> they can look at it.
>>
>> I would love suggestions for an ACS that is reliable and not a 5 figure
>> purchase.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/1/2017 8:57:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>>
>> Take a look at  OMD Check_mk
>>
>> (aka a GUI + Nagios + Graphing + + +  etc etc etc)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:27:33 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Jaime Solorza]

Netgear came out with higher end POE version

On Feb 2, 2017 9:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Or both?
>
> Haha, "I alone control the room".
>
> And what about "rouge" devices?  I'm not sure what they are, but
> apparently they are common these days.  Maybe because you can't say "off
> the reservation" anymore.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 10:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> What about when you're dead or get a new job?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> >OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is no
> >UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And it's
> >not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that rogue
> >devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
> >
> >
> >
> >On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the cable
> >>is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something bad would
> >>happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or blowing an
> >>internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just bad.
> >>
> >>I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, but
> >>you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at a
> >>later date.
> >>
> >>IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Original Message --
> >>From: "Nate Burke" 
> >>To: af@afmug.com
> >>Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >>
> >>>Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
> >>>cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
> >>>
> >>>On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
> 
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
> 
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> 
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can
> do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no
> power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones
> and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE
> devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will
> work perfect, but wondering if there is something else that might be
> a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC
> powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of
> the ports.
> >>>
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hosting recommendation

[Justin Wilson]

talk to Scott at On-Ramp.  I am not familiar with Expression Engine but he 
would be a good start.

sc...@staff.ori.net



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend that is asking me for help selecting a new web hosting 
> location for an active domain. It requires basic hosting functions (SQL, 
> Perl, PHP, etc)... but he would also like to find someone that can help 
> maintain, update, etc. the website backend and filtering attacks, etc. I 
> think the main site is using Expression Engine for the backend.
> 
> He is willing to pay for the hosting as well as maintenance and such.
> 
> Travis
> 

[AFMUG] Hosting recommendation

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I have a friend that is asking me for help selecting a new web hosting 
location for an active domain. It requires basic hosting functions (SQL, 
Perl, PHP, etc)... but he would also like to find someone that can help 
maintain, update, etc. the website backend and filtering attacks, etc. I 
think the main site is using Expression Engine for the backend.


He is willing to pay for the hosting as well as maintenance and such.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

[Sean Heskett]

Email is good Gino.

My regular email is sean at zirkel dot us.

Thx!!  I owe ya some beers at Wispapalooza ;-)

-sean



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 1:23 PM Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Sure.. Ill send them over , email?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sean Heskett  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 1:41 PM
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
> hey gino,
>
> could i snag your intermapper probes for the 450, SAF, and airfiber???
>
> thanks!
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> we are using Intermapper, got lots of custom probes if anyone needs:
>
> AF radios
> Epmp
> PMP450
> Emerson Rectifiers
> Trango
> SAF
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 8:00 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs
>
> Zabbix
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:20 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
> Azotel
>
> Mitch Koep
>
> 218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
> On 01/31/2017 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Powercode
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 11:30 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
> Intermapper for alerts
> Cacti for history
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:27 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Revisiting this, what are others using for SNMP Monitoring?
>
> -Jason
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

[Peter Kranz]

I use the same template for both my 1200's and 2200's.. the MIB/Software is
the same.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

 

Will do! 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Steve Utick mailto:sut...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

 

Please let me know if it works for the 2200, so I know for future reference.

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

Thanks! Will try! 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Steve Utick mailto:sut...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:30 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti probe for Siklu?

 

I don't have any 2200's to test on, but if they didn't change the OID's
between the 1200 and the 2200 then...  I've got a 1200 one on my site at:
http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-siklu.zip   Worth a shot to try at
least.

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

 

Anyone has a Cacti probe for Siklu 2200 radios? 

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 

 

[AFMUG] Good alternative for CRS106-1C-5S

[Paul McCall]

We have a couple situations where we need a cheap way of adding a couple ports 
to a switch that has run out of fiber ports.  I got excited to see this 
model... CRS106-1C-5S, but no one has it.  I liked the Mikrotik for consistency 
and management

Any good suggestions for an alternative?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[Dave]

We under sale it. So, the expectation is what it is.
The up to and starting at puts you in the marketing land of Cable-Co and 
Telco.

We dont go there..
Yes, some areas cannot afford said package for said rate so we have a 
package that fits those areas but the package is cut back.



On 02/01/2017 12:28 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
How do others handle providing service in different markets at 
different rates?


As I've expanded into different areas, I've found I need to charge 
significantly different rates and have to provide different speeds. I 
adjusted my website to say things like: "...up to" and "...starting at 
$...".  It feels a bit misleading. I want to be clear without 
publishing every single service option.


I'd like some suggestions for more appropriately treating the 
different areas. Perhaps entering a zipcode or town to see price options?


Thank you - Chris


--

[AFMUG] Upcoming Linux conference

[Zach Underwood]

I wanted to let everyone know about 2 upcoming Linux conference. They are a
great chance to learn and meet other open source people. I will be at both
leading the deployment of wired and wireless networks. At both of the
events there are many companies that are looking to hire Linux sysadmin and
Linux programmers.

*Southern California Linux Expo(Pasadena, CA)*
March 2-5, 2017
Pasadena Convention Center
Attendance~4000
https://www.socallinuxexpo.org
For this event they already own all of the network hardware but lost the
people that setup last year and had no documentation. The network will be
based on ~120 wndr3800 running openwrt and about 40 hp switches. I have
built a system to bulk config all of the APs and switches much like a
central management system. The internet connection will be a 200m fiber DIA.

*South East Linux Fest(Charlotte, NC)*
June 9-11, 2017
Sheraton Charlotte Airport
Attendance~800
http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/
For this event a company will be loaning us ubnt APs and hp switches. This
is the 4th year that I have done the network at this hotel for the event.
The very first at this hotel we ran all of our cable in the drop ceiling of
the expo area and have been reusing it each year. The internet connection
is 300m x 20m coax connection.
Here is the network from last year.
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Stories/SouthEast-Linux-Fest-2016/cns-p/1590779


I hope to see some of yall at these great Linux events.

-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Ken Hohhof]

Or both?

Haha, "I alone control the room".

And what about "rouge" devices?  I'm not sure what they are, but apparently 
they are common these days.  Maybe because you can't say "off the reservation" 
anymore.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

What about when you're dead or get a new job?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

>OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is no 
>UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And it's 
>not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that rogue 
>devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
>
>
>
>On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the cable 
>>is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something bad would 
>>happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or blowing an 
>>internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just bad.
>>
>>I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, but 
>>you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at a 
>>later date.
>>
>>IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- Original Message --
>>From: "Nate Burke" 
>>To: af@afmug.com
>>Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>>
>>>Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
>>>cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
>>>
>>>On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can 
do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no 
power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones 
and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE 
devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will 
work perfect, but wondering if there is something else that might be 
a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC 
powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of 
the ports.
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Adam Moffett]

What about when you're dead or get a new job?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is no 
UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And it's 
not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that rogue 
devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).




On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the cable 
is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something bad would 
happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or blowing an 
internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just bad.


I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, but 
you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at a 
later date.


IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.




-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.


On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can 
do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no 
power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones 
and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE 
devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will 
work perfect, but wondering if there is something else that might be 
a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC 
powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of 
the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Nate Burke]

OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is no 
UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And it's 
not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that rogue 
devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).




On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the cable 
is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something bad would 
happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or blowing an 
internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just bad.


I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, but 
you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at a 
later date.


IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.




-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 
cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.


On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can 
do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no 
power, but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones 
and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE 
devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will 
work perfect, but wondering if there is something else that might be 
a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC 
powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of 
the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Does not play nice with others

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

poor baby

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> But then..
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> nydailynews.com%2Famp%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-mocks-
> opponents-national-prayer-breakfast-speech-article-1.2962269#pt0-19347
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 6:49 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Yes I read that But I have alternative facts  Where is Pat
>> Paulsen when we need him?
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2017 9:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> as long as youre going by unconfirmed reports from "people in the know"
>>> there is another article for people gullible enough to eat this one up from
>>> the hill about trump telling Nieto that Mexico has a bunch of bad hombres.
>>> I figure youll eat that one up, its pretty reliable like this one.
>>> My source, who wants to remain unidentified because hes not authorized,
>>> told me that when trump called jesus, he pronounced it heysuse because he
>>> thought he was a mexican and the reason hes left our schools is that obama
>>> had deported him.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVL8S3lUHf0TRs7E1xzv187cZQlbPAYGk
>>> is an archive of the leaked audio from trumps calls to obama over the months
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.
 com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F317480-trump-fields-tense-
 phone-call-with-australian-pm-report%3Famp#pt0-335990

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Does not play nice with others

[Jaime Solorza]

But then..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Famp%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-mocks-opponents-national-prayer-breakfast-speech-article-1.2962269#pt0-19347

On Feb 2, 2017 6:49 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yes I read that But I have alternative facts  Where is Pat Paulsen
> when we need him?
>
> On Feb 1, 2017 9:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> as long as youre going by unconfirmed reports from "people in the know"
>> there is another article for people gullible enough to eat this one up from
>> the hill about trump telling Nieto that Mexico has a bunch of bad hombres.
>> I figure youll eat that one up, its pretty reliable like this one.
>> My source, who wants to remain unidentified because hes not authorized,
>> told me that when trump called jesus, he pronounced it heysuse because he
>> thought he was a mexican and the reason hes left our schools is that obama
>> had deported him.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVL8S3lUHf0TRs7E1xzv187cZQlbPAYGk
>> is an archive of the leaked audio from trumps calls to obama over the months
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.
>>> com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F317480-trump-fields-tense-
>>> phone-call-with-australian-pm-report%3Famp#pt0-335990
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Adam Moffett]

10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W.  Unless the cable 
is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something bad would 
happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or blowing an internal 
fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just bad.


I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that, but 
you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at a later 
date.


IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.




-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 cameras.  
Still very low power draw overall.


On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do 
both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, 
but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt 
cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 
1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, 
but wondering if there is something else that might be a little 
cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC powered 
switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of the 
ports.

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty sweet switch.  I have one myself.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do both 
48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, but want to 
put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like 
to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from 
one of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix 
page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight 
in one of the ports. 

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Ken Hohhof]

How much would it cost to have an electrician wire that closet with an outlet, 
and maybe an exhaust fan.

I worry about a POE switch in a closet with no ventilation.  Now throw a few 
hats and coats on top of it.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 cameras.  
Still very low power draw overall.

On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do both 
> 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, but want to 
> put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like 
> to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one 
> of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
> something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix 
> page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight 
> in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

It’s a cool setup, but it’s a lot more fun installing the fiber myself and 
owning everything.  :)  Maybe it is time for you to get back in the game Travis!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

Hi,

Here is the new fiber network that has been developed over the last 6 years in 
a suburb of Idaho Falls. A quick breakdown:

Fiber install = $3,000 to the homeowner, or financed at $15/month as a bond 
against the property for 20 years.
Fiber transport for 100Mbps = $25/month to the city ISP service ranges from 
$40-$109/month depending on which provider you pick and which speed.

So, right now 100Mbps x 100Mbps total cost is around $149/month with $0 install.

The other thing is the customer can switch providers "on the fly" from a 
webpage.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Nothing with more ports except the S16 or EP-R8.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 cameras.  
Still very low power draw overall.

On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
>
> POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do both 
> 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, but want to 
> put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like 
> to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one 
> of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is 
> something else that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix 
> page, and saw DC powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight 
> in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Nate Burke]

Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6 cameras.  
Still very low power draw overall.


On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do both 48 
and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, but want to put a 
switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power 
the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the 
offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is something else 
that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC 
powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of the ports.

[AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

Here is the new fiber network that has been developed over the last 6 
years in a suburb of Idaho Falls. A quick breakdown:


Fiber install = $3,000 to the homeowner, or financed at $15/month as a 
bond against the property for 20 years.

Fiber transport for 100Mbps = $25/month to the city
ISP service ranges from $40-$109/month depending on which provider you 
pick and which speed.


So, right now 100Mbps x 100Mbps total cost is around $149/month with $0 
install.


The other thing is the customer can switch providers "on the fly" from a 
webpage.


https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI

POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do both 48 
and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, but want to put a 
switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt cameras.  I'd like to power 
the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the 
offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but wondering if there is something else 
that might be a little cheaper.  I looked through the netonix page, and saw DC 
powered switches, but not one's that took the POE straight in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Jaime Solorza]

WW11 Brazero programOnly problem, many farmers didn't pay the workers
and then they rounded them up and deported them.   Not in any Texas history
books

On Feb 2, 2017 7:49 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" to
> work here legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on American
> soil you're here to stay" mentality. Unfortunately, no president from any
> party has even floated the idea that I am aware of.  Instead, immigrants,
> legal or otherwise, are permanent political pawns to to anger the
> susceptible.
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>>
>> We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that specializes
>> in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger 2016 Transit 350
>> van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul 15 illegal aliens to
>> a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all by now?  So maybe 15
>> dishes, each gets its own seat?
>>
>> I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig
>> farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You
>> know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling
>> burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops from
>> Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is from places
>> like Chile.
>>
>> Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15
>> robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.  It’s
>> hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on the head
>> and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way they squeal like
>> it’s the end of the world.
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?
>>
>> (Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)
>>
>> -Steve D
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nvcargox.com/
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13879 - Release Date: 02/02/17
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Nate Burke]

Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that can do 
both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with no power, 
but want to put a switch there to power a couple VoIP Phones and ubnt 
cameras.  I'd like to power the switch and subsequent POE devices via 1 
or 2 cat5 feeds from one of the offices.  The S16 will work perfect, but 
wondering if there is something else that might be a little cheaper.  I 
looked through the netonix page, and saw DC powered switches, but not 
one's that took the POE straight in one of the ports.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

[Dennis Burgess]

Yes, don't buy one.


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

Has anyone used one or even bought one?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing"

Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

[Dennis Burgess]

We should have them today or tomorrow .


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

Baltic had some but they are on backorder again.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 6:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

Ordered one of these shipped direct from Latvia, not in stock in the US yet:

https://routerboard.com/CCR1009-7G-1C-1SplusPC

Anyone else have one on hand?  I'm testing it for a few different purposes.

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Jay Weekley]

I'm not saying a good program would be just for cheap labor or for 
anyone from a specific country.


Chuck McCown wrote:
There is a This American Life episode about an ag operation the was 
essentially keeping H-2A workers on site as slaves.  Give them 1 egg 
or a half egg for breakfast, crappy living conditions.  It was an 
interesting broadcast.


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

Yep.  There are some ideas that could make most people happy.  I get
cheap labor for my potato farm and Joe Six Pack has a secure border.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
H-2A Agricultural Guest Worker program, but that's not exactly a 
model of how to do it well.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" 
to work here legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on 
American soil you're here to stay" mentality. Unfortunately, no 
president from any party has even floated the idea that I am aware of.
Instead, immigrants, legal or otherwise, are permanent political 
pawns to to anger the susceptible.


Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that
specializes in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger
2016 Transit 350 van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul
15 illegal aliens to a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all
by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each gets its own seat?

I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig
farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You
know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling
burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops
from Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is
from places like Chile.

Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15
robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.
It’s hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on
the head and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way
they squeal like it’s the end of the world.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)

-Steve D

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

 http://www.nvcargox.com/

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13879 - Release Date:
02/02/17






-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13879 - Release Date: 
02/02/17









-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13879 - Release Date: 
02/02/17

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Jay Weekley]

Yep.  There are some ideas that could make most people happy.  I get 
cheap labor for my potato farm and Joe Six Pack has a secure border.


Ken Hohhof wrote:

H-2A Agricultural Guest Worker program, but that's not exactly a model of how 
to do it well.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" to work here 
legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on American soil you're here to stay" 
mentality. Unfortunately, no president from any party has even floated the idea that I am aware of.
Instead, immigrants, legal or otherwise, are permanent political pawns to to 
anger the susceptible.

Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that
specializes in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger
2016 Transit 350 van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul
15 illegal aliens to a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all
by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each gets its own seat?

I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig
farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You
know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling
burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops
from Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is
from places like Chile.

Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15
robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.
It’s hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on
the head and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way
they squeal like it’s the end of the world.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)

-Steve D

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

 http://www.nvcargox.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Chuck McCown]

There is a This American Life episode about an ag operation the was 
essentially keeping H-2A workers on site as slaves.  Give them 1 egg or a 
half egg for breakfast, crappy living conditions.  It was an interesting 
broadcast.


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

Yep.  There are some ideas that could make most people happy.  I get
cheap labor for my potato farm and Joe Six Pack has a secure border.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
H-2A Agricultural Guest Worker program, but that's not exactly a model of 
how to do it well.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" to 
work here legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on American 
soil you're here to stay" mentality. Unfortunately, no president from any 
party has even floated the idea that I am aware of.
Instead, immigrants, legal or otherwise, are permanent political pawns to 
to anger the susceptible.


Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that
specializes in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger
2016 Transit 350 van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul
15 illegal aliens to a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all
by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each gets its own seat?

I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig
farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You
know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling
burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops
from Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is
from places like Chile.

Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15
robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.
It’s hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on
the head and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way
they squeal like it’s the end of the world.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)

-Steve D

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

 http://www.nvcargox.com/

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Ken Hohhof]

H-2A Agricultural Guest Worker program, but that's not exactly a model of how 
to do it well.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" to work 
here legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on American soil 
you're here to stay" mentality. Unfortunately, no president from any party has 
even floated the idea that I am aware of.  
Instead, immigrants, legal or otherwise, are permanent political pawns to to 
anger the susceptible.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that 
> specializes in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger
> 2016 Transit 350 van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul
> 15 illegal aliens to a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all 
> by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each gets its own seat?
>
> I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig 
> farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You 
> know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling 
> burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops 
> from Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is 
> from places like Chile.
>
> Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15 
> robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.
> It’s hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on 
> the head and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way 
> they squeal like it’s the end of the world.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?
>
> (Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie 
>  > wrote:
>
> http://www.nvcargox.com/
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13879 - Release Date: 
> 02/02/17
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Josh Luthman]

Awesome, thank you sir.

Couldn't find anything at Lowe's that would match up or anything so I have
to assume this isn't the liquidtite brand.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put
> in a drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that
> stuff makes it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the
> wires and you don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just
> fine.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo
>
> This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
> necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
> is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
> NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Chuck McCown]

If you use liquidtite and use the proper connectors, you don’t need to put in a 
drip loop or 180 to keep the water out.  Any bend you make in that stuff makes 
it harder to pull the wires through.  But if you can pull the wires and you 
don’t have connectors then what you are describing is just fine.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose necks 
or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening is facing 
earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our NEMA box.  Is 
this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Optics Transmit Data and Power Over Same Cable

[Josh Reynolds]

I need YouTube videos of this, pronto.

On Feb 1, 2017 12:21 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 2/1/17 10:19, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Epilog Zing CNC laser cutters start at 30 watts I think.  So a 60 watt
>> laser on a fiber could certainly cut flesh and insulation and paper etc.
>>
>
>
> It'll make fiber cuts so much more adventurous.
>

[AFMUG] Flexible conduit up silo

[Josh Luthman]

This is our first time ever using conduit.  Lowe's didn't have any goose
necks or anything so I'm thinking I'll run the conduit up (so the opening
is facing earth) and then do a 180* down the silo and into the shack/our
NEMA box.  Is this what everyone else does or is there an alternative?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Jay Weekley]

You know, there are some common sense ideas that would allow "guests" to 
work here legally while removing the "once you're put one toe on 
American soil you're here to stay" mentality. Unfortunately, no 
president from any party has even floated the idea that I am aware of.  
Instead, immigrants, legal or otherwise, are permanent political pawns 
to to anger the susceptible.


Ken Hohhof wrote:


We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that 
specializes in 1-2 year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger 
2016 Transit 350 van sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul 
15 illegal aliens to a job site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all 
by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each gets its own seat?


I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig 
farm, lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You 
know, the same teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling 
burgers.  More likely we will just import the lettuce and pork chops 
from Mexico.  Already a lot of the produce at the grocery store is 
from places like Chile.


Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15 
robots to pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.  
It’s hard to tell with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on 
the head and feed them chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way 
they squeal like it’s the end of the world.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)

-Steve D

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


http://www.nvcargox.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[Cameron Crum]

Christopher,

FCC basically wants advertised plan rates which makes the whole thing BS,
but what else are you going to do? I guess they assume you aren't
advertising more than you can actually deliver. Taking the speed at each
customer location is somewhat impractical for such purposes unless you just
do a one time test and call it that forever. The FCC doesn't really have a
way to report a "variable" rate plan. I have a customer who goes through
this every year. He runs everything wide open and has data caps. So he lets
you get as much "speed" as your radio can handle but bills for overages
every month. He ends up doing a speed test on install and putting that into
the "baseline" info for the customer and we use those numbers for the 477
grouping them together into as few "buckets" as possible. So it can be
done, but it takes more effort and is certainly not "traditional".

Cameron

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Gray  wrote:

> An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from Sonar
> with no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define a
> long list of services to match each speed available, and it is getting a
> little out of hand.
>
> When selling capacity, not speed, how do you rate your speed for your 477?
> The max it could be? The lowest you'd ever expect? How do you define a
> speed in your billing system for the 477 if the speed is variable?
>
> I see now that my biggest problem seems to be having 2 variables with each
> product (price and speed... my "standard" product has speeds ranging from
> 1.5 to 10 and prices ranging from $50 to $73). I think I just need to
> simplify the product offering by fixing one of the variables, and possibly
> have a zip code entry to view the available products. Half of my network is
> 50% more expensive to operate than the other half, so there are significant
> price differences between some areas.
>
>
> --
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> EXPORT-FORM 477
>> LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How do you keep track of speeds for your 477?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We just have the same set of plans (with names, rather than speeds)
 with the same prices everywhere, and the speeds set differently depending
 on the area - so if you're in an area where we can cover you with ePMP 5ghz
 half a mile from our office, you'll get a vastly different speed than if
 you're out in the middle of nowhere where we can only cover you with 900mhz
 FSK from a tower with a grand total of 5 customers on it, but for billing
 purposes the plan is the same. The only way to find out what the actual
 speed is going to be in any given area is to ask us.

 On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> The other way is to define different service options and say that not
> all options are available in all areas.
>
> If there's an option that's more money for less speed nobody will
> intentionally choose it, but you can tell them that's the option available
> in their area.  This way happens to also work seamlessly with billing
> systems since you have to differentiate the rate options in the system 
> that
> way anyhow.
>
> One problem you will not avoid no matter how you spell it out is that
> some people will draw their own conclusions about why you're charging them
> more than people in another area.  I.E.: They'll say you're a greedy, evil
> person with selfish and petty reasons for discriminating against them.  I
> don't have any faith in my fellow humans, so take that with a grain of 
> salt.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/1/2017 1:37:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in
> Different Markets
>
> Ugh, that is difficult.
>
>
>
> If it were me, at the very least I would just make a pricing page
> online and spell it all out for each ‘area’.
>
>
>
> If you want to be more discreet you could just advertise the lowest
> priced rate/plan and say there are higher speed options to contact you.
>
>
>
> The fancy way would be for them to fill out a form and get an
> immediate response via email or online as to their rate plans per the 
> area.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher
> Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in
> Different Markets
>
>
>
> How do others handle providing ser

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Cameron Crum]

I like this dark fiber model too, but I think it's been tried, probably at
the wrong time though. I know there were several companies doing that down
here in the DFW area back in the late 90's. None left. My buddy, who worked
for one for a while ended up taking the job as IT Director for the city of
Frisco, a wealthy suburb north of Dallas. Every time they tore up a road
for any reason, he would make them put in fiber with the idea that the city
could not only serve it's own needs but generate revenue that wasn't tied
to the taxpayers. When the not so forward thinking city manager put a stop
to it, my buddy resigned. I would think that any company doing this on a
large scale would need some major funding and at least some laws to fast
track the regulatory process so they wouldn't have to fight permitting and
zoning in every municipality in the country. Unfortunately, that means
politics which generally leads to how much of the tax payer's money is
involved whether it is loans or grants or just greasing the palms of
everyone who wants a piece of the pie.



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:35 PM,  wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look
> “future proof”?
>   Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago
> and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and
> about as future proof as anything gets.
>
> > Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and
> meat made from animals?
>   Commercial products will give me 10 Tbps per fiber and the C band is
> theoretically good for at least 100 Tbps, so I think we've got scalability
> pretty well down and we aren't going to run out of bits any time soon.
>
>   Assuming there was something better out there, we'd know about it by
> now. Commercial products don't just appear from the thin ether. They take
> years of R&D to commercialize. At the very least we should have scientific
> papers detailing revolutionary breakthroughs in science that will lead to
> something replacing fiber in twenty years.
>
> > I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because
> in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16
> kbps data
> > channel and “integrated services”.
>   I think picking on ISDN is a bit myopic. ISDN turned into g.fast which
> will do a respectable gigabit over short distances.
>
>
> Jared
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Groundhog Day

[Ken Hohhof]

Phil wants to know if this “extreme vet” is the same guy who famously dropped 
Staten Island Chuck back in 2014, leading to Chuck’s death and the current wave 
of climate change.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Groundhog Day

 

nope, no way to vet the tunnel occupants, border closed, winter is coming

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Is it still on?

 

I was kind of hoping for an Executive Order cancelling it.  We’re supposed to 
have some sun tomorrow, and I’m not looking forward to 6 more weeks of winter.  
Stupid weather forecasting rodent.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

[Ken Hohhof]

We have a maintenance shop bldg. next to a used car lot that specializes in 1-2 
year old Fords from auction.  He has a 15 passenger 2016 Transit 350 van 
sitting out there.  I was thinking you could haul 15 illegal aliens to a job 
site, except hasn’t Trump deported them all by now?  So maybe 15 dishes, each 
gets its own seat?

 

I hope American teenagers are excited about all the lettuce farm, pig farm, 
lawnmowing and slaughterhouse jobs that will be opening up.  You know, the same 
teenagers who won’t take a job at McDonalds selling burgers.  More likely we 
will just import the lettuce and pork chops from Mexico.  Already a lot of the 
produce at the grocery store is from places like Chile.

 

Maybe robots will replace illegal aliens, and that van can carry 15 robots to 
pick lettuce or do whatever yucky things they do to pigs.  It’s hard to tell 
with pigs, they squeal no matter what.  Pat them on the head and feed them 
chocolate, or cut off body parts, either way they squeal like it’s the end of 
the world.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:37 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

 

(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here)

 

-Steve D

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

http://www.nvcargox.com/ 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Does not play nice with others

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes I read that But I have alternative facts  Where is Pat Paulsen
when we need him?

On Feb 1, 2017 9:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> as long as youre going by unconfirmed reports from "people in the know"
> there is another article for people gullible enough to eat this one up from
> the hill about trump telling Nieto that Mexico has a bunch of bad hombres.
> I figure youll eat that one up, its pretty reliable like this one.
> My source, who wants to remain unidentified because hes not authorized,
> told me that when trump called jesus, he pronounced it heysuse because he
> thought he was a mexican and the reason hes left our schools is that obama
> had deported him.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVL8S3lUHf0TRs7E1xzv187cZQlbPAYGk
> is an archive of the leaked audio from trumps calls to obama over the months
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.
>> com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F317480-trump-fields-tense-
>> phone-call-with-australian-pm-report%3Famp#pt0-335990
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling software for home automation

[Timothy Steele]

Thanks Simon! Vworkapp is exactly what I was looking for just wish it was a
local company

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017, 1:58 PM Simon Westlake  wrote:

> There's tons, just search for 'field scheduling software' and you'll get a
> bunch. I've looked at:
>
> http://www.fieldtechnologies.com/
> https://www.vworkapp.com/
> http://www.msidata.com/field-service-scheduling-software
> http://www.serviceceo.com/
>
> vWorkApp has given me a lot of inspiration in the past.
>
>
> On 2/1/2017 12:39 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a scheduling software that's like powercode but not for
> monthly clients? I work for a home automation company big need for
> something like that, but it's not monthly service when it's done. it's
> done.
>
> If anyone knows of something like that
> Or willing to make 1 for us please let me know
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

[Rory Conaway]

Nice, thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

So

http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-case-for-rb2011-series-non-branded-indoor-steel-wall-mountable.html
On 2/2/2017 2:16 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Yea, just hate to buy a 2011 for a case.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

You can put the 3011 board into a 2011 case if you're after a smaller case or 
wall/backplane mounting.
On 2/2/2017 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Yea, I figured that out after I posted.  Figured we might just have to take the 
board out of the 3011.  We really need something faster than the 850x2.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

The one that's several years old at this point?


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:17:32 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000
Has anyone used one or even bought one?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
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www.triadwireless.net

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

[George Skorup]

So

http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-case-for-rb2011-series-non-branded-indoor-steel-wall-mountable.html

On 2/2/2017 2:16 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Yea, just hate to buy a 2011 for a case.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

You can put the 3011 board into a 2011 case if you're after a smaller 
case or wall/backplane mounting.


On 2/2/2017 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Yea, I figured that out after I posted.  Figured we might just
have to take the board out of the 3011.  We really need something
faster than the 850x2.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

The one that's several years old at this point?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


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*From: *"Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:17:32 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

Has anyone used one or even bought one?

*Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow
old because we stop playing”

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, just hate to buy a 2011 for a case.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

You can put the 3011 board into a 2011 case if you're after a smaller case or 
wall/backplane mounting.
On 2/2/2017 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Yea, I figured that out after I posted.  Figured we might just have to take the 
board out of the 3011.  We really need something faster than the 850x2.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

The one that's several years old at this point?


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:17:32 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000
Has anyone used one or even bought one?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing”