Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Display port is like usb of video. All kinds of possibilities that may or
may not actually work

On Feb 17, 2017 10:58 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort   ;-)
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> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 17, 2017 10:56:17 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC
>
> Has display port changed any?  I have no displays that are inherently
> display port, so the back of my machine now is a mess of adapters and power
> supplies to convert 4 monitors from Display port to HDMI.
>
> On 2/17/2017 7:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Display port is the shit, you can do 2-4 monitors from a single port
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 4:46 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
> I found the Dell Refurb site.  AMD Video card gives a Display port and
> DVI, I5 8gb ram for $209.  That might be what I'm looking for.
>
> On 2/17/2017 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything fancy
>> (i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to it (HDMI
>> Inputs)  I really don't feel like building one.  Oh, and she want's it
>> cheap.  Looking at the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really
>> easy to find, but I can't seem to find any that have dual monitor support.
>> Newegg will let you filter desktops by Videocard model, but not by Output
>> options.
>>
>> It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display setups, so
>> I'd imagine there should be a ton of these things on the refurb market.
>> Any ideas what I should be looking for?  I'd like to find something in the
>> $200-$300 range.
>>
>
>
>
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>

[AFMUG] Current 5ghz rules and firmwares

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So this week, as far as I know I have the whole network on current firmware
operating at the current typeset. It's cost me on oob rules for backhauls.

As I understand it though, if I had not done this, even if I replaced an
existing radio with the same model since its new hardware I would have to
put the new rules up. Legally

Is anybody else that anal? Tnt I did this a long time ago but not with a
full network review, there was still 10 percent on old rules.
I do have some hardware without the automatic typeset like ptp500, if one
creliaks the link will have to go 650 as I understand it since I can't put
a default ptp500 up legally

Is this technically correct? Or am I just a douchebag

Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[Mike Hammett]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort ;-) 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:56:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC 

Has display port changed any? I have no displays that are inherently display 
port, so the back of my machine now is a mess of adapters and power supplies to 
convert 4 monitors from Display port to HDMI. 


On 2/17/2017 7:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



Display port is the shit, you can do 2-4 monitors from a single port 


On Feb 17, 2017 4:46 PM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



I found the Dell Refurb site. AMD Video card gives a Display port and DVI, I5 
8gb ram for $209. That might be what I'm looking for. 



On 2/17/2017 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: 




Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI 



On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything fancy (i3, i5 
is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to it (HDMI Inputs) I really 
don't feel like building one. Oh, and she want's it cheap. Looking at the Dell, 
HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really easy to find, but I can't seem to 
find any that have dual monitor support. Newegg will let you filter desktops by 
Videocard model, but not by Output options. 

It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display setups, so I'd 
imagine there should be a ton of these things on the refurb market. Any ideas 
what I should be looking for? I'd like to find something in the $200-$300 
range. 

Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[Nate Burke]

Has display port changed any?  I have no displays that are inherently 
display port, so the back of my machine now is a mess of adapters and 
power supplies to convert 4 monitors from Display port to HDMI.


On 2/17/2017 7:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Display port is the shit, you can do 2-4 monitors from a single port

On Feb 17, 2017 4:46 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


I found the Dell Refurb site.  AMD Video card gives a Display port
and DVI, I5 8gb ram for $209.  That might be what I'm looking for.

On 2/17/2017 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI

On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:

The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need
anything fancy (i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2
monitors hooked up to it (HDMI Inputs)  I really don't feel
like building one.  Oh, and she want's it cheap.  Looking at
the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really easy to
find, but I can't seem to find any that have dual monitor
support.  Newegg will let you filter desktops by Videocard
model, but not by Output options.

It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display
setups, so I'd imagine there should be a ton of these things
on the refurb market. Any ideas what I should be looking
for?  I'd like to find something in the $200-$300 range.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I share all my food with my kids. My daughter in particular is a little
foodie.but the few times I lay my hands on authentic real tamales, always
made by a Mexican aunt, I hoard them, I'll eat them in the dark in a closet
with the door shut.

On Feb 17, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> OK.. Deal
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 6:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're
>> the only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo
>> preparation instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of
>> a pan to use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> Or Awesome?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Only if it is fabulous
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the
>> meatloaf, like Christie.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>>
>>
>>
>> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage
>> in attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
>> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
>> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>> jewing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>>
>> Denial
>>
>> Anger
>>
>> Bargaining
>>
>> Depression
>>
>> Acceptance
>>
>>
>>
>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> Tropical anal mist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>> racist
>>
>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>> being recorded
>>
>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
>> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
>> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
>> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
>> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
>> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>> They arent the people to talk to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I always though Lewis was a liberal with a bad spell checker

On Feb 17, 2017 8:39 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have no
> clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b) you have
> no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to know.
>
> You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and
> their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am trying
> to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly about what
> method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama was backed by
> railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't think he is "backed"
> but the partners he plays with are in the other camp.   And the number of
> railroad workers put out of work by this pipeline isn't being considered by
> trump and after construction, it's similar to the other side.
>
> On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
>> clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
>> statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you are.
>>
>> I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
>> It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
>> conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
>> factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
>> translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
>> of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
>> because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
>> as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
>> because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
>> about how gov gets in the way of business.
>>
>> In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
>> would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
>> those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
>> literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
>> it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
>> issue will take care of itself.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert > > wrote:
>>
>> Ok, Lewis,
>> Shift to a personal attack.
>>
>> I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this
>> enviro whacko
>> stuff.  And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that
>> have that in spades.  As there is money that is funneled into the
>> other
>> side.  That's the money that the Indians are getting.   Yes Buffett
>> benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the
>> railroads in the US and oil transport.   AND, interestingly, he
>> benefits
>> when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts.   Koch
>> brothers
>> still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US.
>> Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and
>> indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US.   They
>> have
>> decreased investment into pipelines greatly.  But are still in the
>> game
>> in a major way.
>>
>> https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-
>> keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look
>> at the
>> > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not
>> saying
>> > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
>> have as
>> > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
>> > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based
>> on
>> > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating
>> jobs.
>> >
>> > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
>> > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
>> UNTIL a
>> > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the
>> last
>> > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no
>> standing
>> > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
>> might
>> > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
>> request
>> > on what they think they can get out of you.
>> > I know...not politically correct. So what.
>> >
>> > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
>> what got
>> > us where we are today.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert > 
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Robert]

I think the points on oil you make are valid.   Your point that I have 
no clue, is a personal attack a) in that you have no idea who I am b) 
you have no idea of what I know or how I might know what I profess to 
know.


You may debate that there are two factions controlling this effort and 
their motives but that isn't what you said.   And that is what I am 
trying to get you and others to understand.  This situation is exactly 
about what method to transport and the profits of those methods.   Obama 
was backed by railroaders and trump is aligned with pipers.. I don't 
think he is "backed" but the partners he plays with are in the other 
camp.   And the number of railroad workers put out of work by this 
pipeline isn't being considered by trump and after construction, it's 
similar to the other side.


On 2/17/17 7:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no
clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that
statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you are.

I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize.
It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the
conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party
factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also
translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each
of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline
because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight
as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline
because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time
about how gov gets in the way of business.

In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal
would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of
those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because
literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date,
it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the
issue will take care of itself.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert > wrote:

Ok, Lewis,
Shift to a personal attack.

I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this
enviro whacko
stuff.  And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that
have that in spades.  As there is money that is funneled into the other
side.  That's the money that the Indians are getting.   Yes Buffett
benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the
railroads in the US and oil transport.   AND, interestingly, he benefits
when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts.   Koch brothers
still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US.
Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and
indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US.   They have
decreased investment into pipelines greatly.  But are still in the game
in a major way.


https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/


On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look
at the
> reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not
saying
> Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers
have as
> little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The
> current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on
> low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating
jobs.
>
> In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for
> moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great
UNTIL a
> pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last
> couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing
> in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or
might
> not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe
request
> on what they think they can get out of you.
> I know...not politically correct. So what.
>
> Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is
what got
> us where we are today.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert 
> >>
wrote:
>
> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
profiting
> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> brothers...   Got it?
>
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
train is
>

Re: [AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha funny

On Feb 17, 2017 7:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> 8.8.8.8
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 8:21 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> *bump*
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:05:32 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers
>>
>> Does anyone here have Titanfall 2? I'm trying to figure out what an IP
>> address is of their St. Louis servers.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

8.8.8.8

On Feb 17, 2017 8:21 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> *bump*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:05:32 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers
>
> Does anyone here have Titanfall 2? I'm trying to figure out what an IP
> address is of their St. Louis servers.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers

[Mike Hammett]

*bump* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:05:32 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Titanfall 2 Servers 


Does anyone here have Titanfall 2? I'm trying to figure out what an IP address 
is of their St. Louis servers. 

Thanks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

OK.. Deal

On Feb 17, 2017 6:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're
> the only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo
> preparation instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of
> a pan to use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Or Awesome?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Only if it is fabulous
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>
>
>
> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
> like Christie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
>
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>
> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>
> Denial
>
> Anger
>
> Bargaining
>
> Depression
>
> Acceptance
>
>
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
>
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
>
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
>
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
>
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>
> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities 

Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Display port is the shit, you can do 2-4 monitors from a single port

On Feb 17, 2017 4:46 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

I found the Dell Refurb site.  AMD Video card gives a Display port and DVI,
I5 8gb ram for $209.  That might be what I'm looking for.

On 2/17/2017 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI

On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything fancy
> (i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to it (HDMI
> Inputs)  I really don't feel like building one.  Oh, and she want's it
> cheap.  Looking at the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really
> easy to find, but I can't seem to find any that have dual monitor support.
> Newegg will let you filter desktops by Videocard model, but not by Output
> options.
>
> It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display setups, so I'd
> imagine there should be a ton of these things on the refurb market.  Any
> ideas what I should be looking for?  I'd like to find something in the
> $200-$300 range.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

A real tamale recipe, but it can only come from a Mexican aunt (they're the
only ones who truly know how to make them) with clear gringo preparation
instructions, from sourcing the right ingredients to how old of a pan to
use. If I have this, I might say Fuck Trump and drink tecate

On Feb 17, 2017 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Or Awesome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Only if it is fabulous



On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Is he channeling Shep Smith?



Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
like Christie.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?



Then we know we hit a milestone.



*From:* Jaime Solorza

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

*To:* Animal Farm

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump



On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
jewing



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.



I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance



I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...



*From:* Josh Reynolds

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



Tropical anal mist.



Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.



I'm not offended, I'm impressed.



On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad



On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
racist

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion





On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.



*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm

*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
their presence as an entity.



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if
he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
not intentionally excluding them.



That's the danger of being a wise-ass.









-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

To: "Animal Farm" 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have a link, never was great, but the numbers were spot in when I
installed it, sent the guys out to raise it, turns out they must have spent
the day blowing each other and cuddling because when we paid to have a guy
come test the output at the radios, the feedhorns and test the leads, it
was still at the original height. .. . Ughh... But turns out there are 3 of
these centerline in the path and 2 in the Fresnel. I'm glad the taxes we
pay to put these environmental disasters in to run less than 25 percent of
the time at least serve the purpose of Fucking up links

On Feb 17, 2017 4:55 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive
a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
> concrete blocks to clean up.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
>
>
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the 

Re: [AFMUG] Stable tik firmware

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I'll ultimately need to have bgp I and e if there is a difference, ospf,
and whatever for mpls functional. I love these mikrotiks for cost and
featurset with a good user base for reaching out to, but I tell you, the
ubiquiti level of firmware mishaps is frustrating. I should have just done
CC$$ courses and gone with used Cisco's on the interior and two new on the
edge

On Feb 17, 2017 6:39 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> I've been slowly upgrading things to 6.36.4, and it seems fine, but we've
> still got a lot on 6.35.4 too. I haven't done anything to speak of with
> anything newer yet.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> we run rb100AHx2 across the network, not alot to the configs, straight
>> routing, OSPF a couple bridges and a DHCP relay
>>
>> we have been on 6.35.4 with no issues for a while
>>
>> Checking current releases, we are a bit behind. but i see 6.36 gives me
>> fqdn for firewall acl, I need this for my remote access, right now I have
>> to RDP to the office to get on our routers remotely because of the ACL and
>> my home being dynamic.
>>
>> Is 6.36 or above considered stable or recommended?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

Please ignore the "it", that's what happens when I try to email on my phone.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> So it DHCP wasn't working correctly through a VPLS tunnel?
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have two.
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried to relay them to an offsite DHCP server for simplicity but
>> something wasn’t working and I had to revert back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you keep your DHCP server(s) at the core in this setup?
>>
>> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
>> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>>
>>
>>
>> Works great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>>
>>
>>
>> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
>> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
>> instances.
>>
>> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>>
>>
>>
>> I use it all over and at the core.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t
>> get 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for
>> up/down.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
>> customer end routing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
>> specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use
>> it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I
>> would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
>> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

So it DHCP wasn't working correctly through a VPLS tunnel?

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Yes, I have two.
>
>
>
> I tried to relay them to an offsite DHCP server for simplicity but
> something wasn’t working and I had to revert back.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> Do you keep your DHCP server(s) at the core in this setup?
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>
>
>
> Works great.
>
>
>
> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
> instances.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>
>
>
> I use it all over and at the core.
>
>
>
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>
>
>
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
> customer end routing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
>
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Stable tik firmware

[Mathew Howard]

I've been slowly upgrading things to 6.36.4, and it seems fine, but we've
still got a lot on 6.35.4 too. I haven't done anything to speak of with
anything newer yet.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> we run rb100AHx2 across the network, not alot to the configs, straight
> routing, OSPF a couple bridges and a DHCP relay
>
> we have been on 6.35.4 with no issues for a while
>
> Checking current releases, we are a bit behind. but i see 6.36 gives me
> fqdn for firewall acl, I need this for my remote access, right now I have
> to RDP to the office to get on our routers remotely because of the ACL and
> my home being dynamic.
>
> Is 6.36 or above considered stable or recommended?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'd like to know where you get a case like that for $15.

I was happy to find a supplier for the 19 rackmount cases for the new
rackmount injectors under $100 in quantity.

-forrest

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> Seriously doubt it. More like $10-15 on a bad day..
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 4:25 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> The case cost more than $50
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 4:03 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < $50.
>> Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
>>
>> Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the
>> near future..
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:
>>
>> I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the cambium
>> sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to sync Medusa
>> (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be working.   I'm in the
>> process of getting the design on a prototype board for the rackmount
>> injector. This *is* going to be more expensive than the non-cambium
>> sync version, but for roughly the price of just that controller,  you
>> should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of
>> injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so,
>> you should be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.
>>
>> I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in
>> earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this should
>> be shipping.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>>
>> The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs from the
>> base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet link.
>> If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all over
>> it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use is from
>> PacketFlux.
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with PacketFlux
>> gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think the actual cost of
>> building the hardware has much to do with the price of a CMM
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
>> I can build this for about $100.
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
>> metal box?
>> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
>> module to control the CMM5.
>>
>> Seems a bit steep, no?
>>
>>
>> peace
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, I have two.

I tried to relay them to an offsite DHCP server for simplicity but something 
wasn’t working and I had to revert back.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

Do you keep your DHCP server(s) at the core in this setup?

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with multiple 
POPs hanging off our network.

Works great.

Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.


From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and then 
routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS instances.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> 
wrote:
I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.

I use it all over and at the core.

But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.

So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
customer end routing.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
version (6.38.1)?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Josh Reynolds]

(should say "switches" or "routers", sorry cooking dinner)

On Feb 17, 2017 5:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> No, no it's not.
>
> VPLS creates a transparent layer2 tunnel by itself running over switched
> or IP routed infrastructure. Overlaying QinQ on top of that can make
> certain deployment scenarios easier, but it also makes troubleshooting
> much, much harder.
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 5:08 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
> wrote:
>
>> "You stretch vlans over your mpls fabric?"
>> Thats what VPLS is for...
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to
>>> lookup the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label
>>> to the label table.
>>> If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
>>> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>>>
>>> Works great.
>>>
>>> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>>>
>>> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
>>> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
>>> instances.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>>>
>>> I use it all over and at the core.
>>>
>>> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t
>>> get 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for
>>> up/down.
>>>
>>> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
>>> customer end routing.
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>>>
>>> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
>>> specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use
>>> it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I
>>> would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>>>
>>> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
>>> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[Chris Wright]

I can attest to it. Some customers who were fringe at 2x leapt to 6x 
modulation, at least one went from 2x to 8x.  450 AP @ 40 degree sector -> 450M 
AP.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

I would suggest trying it.  The 450m also has 5-6 dB better uplink sensitivity. 
 When you add the uplink beamforming gains to this, you'll see uplink 
modulation improvements in nearly all the SMs on the sector.  Others can chime 
in with their experiences, but there's enough evidence of this, that I am 
confident in it.

Matt (@CambiumMatt)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

> IIRC, the 450m does not have the active filter like the 450i. They are 
> instead relying on the beam-steering to combat the noise.

That's a bit disappointing.  We have sites that have PTP450 backhauls and 
PMP450 AP's in 5 ghz band on same tower.

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

Destination IP and subnet mask vs. label.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why do you say “full route”?
>
>
>
> Seems like the lookup is destination IP à next hop.  Doesn’t seem like
> rocket science.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Cassidy
> B. Larson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 5:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to
> lookup the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label
> to the label table.
>
> If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
>
>
> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>
>
>
> Works great.
>
>
>
> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
> instances.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>
>
>
> I use it all over and at the core.
>
>
>
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>
>
>
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
> customer end routing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto: 
> af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
>
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Justin Wilson]

This is from Andy at Bridgemaxx.

In all cases, they would be riding along customer traffic, so probably only a 
few hundred mbps available .. 104.37.102.206  speedtest / bridgemaxx



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Yep between 1 10 and 1 20 past Ft
> Stockton there are thousands of them 
> ..
> 
> On Feb 17, 2017 3:55 PM, "Cameron Crum"  > wrote:
> The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive a 
> couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is littered 
> with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and half of them 
> are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring prairie than these 
> things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too much. I sure wouldn't 
> want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy. 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that 
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the 
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and 
> concrete blocks to clean up.
> 
>  
> 
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> 
>  
> 
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year 
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the 
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30 years. 
> There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal, going 
> into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will return the 
> property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
> 
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when I 
> looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with that 
> much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it just means 
> it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> 
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/ 
> > 
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
> >> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the 
> >> lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
> >> turbines are a small part of it.  The question 

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Ken Hohhof]

Why do you say “full route”?

 

Seems like the lookup is destination IP --> next hop.  Doesn’t seem like rocket 
science.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

 

MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to lookup 
the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label to the 
label table. 

If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.

 

 

On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:

 

We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with multiple 
POPs hanging off our network.

 

Works great.

 

Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

 

I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and then 
routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS instances.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson <  
sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.

 

I use it all over and at the core.

 

But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.

 

So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
customer end routing.

 

From: Af [  mailto:  
af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS

 

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

 

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
version (6.38.1)?

 

-Jason

 

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

Do you keep your DHCP server(s) at the core in this setup?

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>
>
>
> Works great.
>
>
>
> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
> instances.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>
>
>
> I use it all over and at the core.
>
>
>
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>
>
>
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
> customer end routing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
>
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Carl Peterson]

"You stretch vlans over your mpls fabric?"
Thats what VPLS is for...

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to
> lookup the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label
> to the label table.
> If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with
> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>
> Works great.
>
> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>
> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
> then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
> instances.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>
> I use it all over and at the core.
>
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
> customer end routing.
>
> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
> -Jason
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Sterling Jacobson]

I believe it is something about processing packets for fastpath on the VPLS end 
tunnel that hasn’t been added yet in Mikrotik.

So I keep waiting for it to show up, but haven’t seen it yet.

Could also be something else about implementing MPLS across that path, but 
that’s when everything ‘slowed down’ for me.

Won’t know for sure until I revert some of it and test.

Or they say something else about it in the release notes or newer versions.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 4:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to lookup 
the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label to the 
label table.
If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.


On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:

We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with multiple 
POPs hanging off our network.

Works great.

Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and then 
routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS instances.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.

I use it all over and at the core.

But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.

So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
customer end routing.

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
version (6.38.1)?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep between 1 10 and 1 20 past Ft
Stockton there are thousands of them
..

On Feb 17, 2017 3:55 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I
> drive a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
> littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
> half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
> prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
> much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in
>> that language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore
>> the land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
>> concrete blocks to clean up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>
>>
>>
>> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
>> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
>> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
>> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
>> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
>> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>>
>> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
>> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
>> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
>> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> > "
>> >
>> > Summary of the calculations
>> >
>> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
>> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
>> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
>> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
>> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
>> > solar.
>> >
>> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
>> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
>> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
>> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>> >
>> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
>> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
>> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
>> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
>> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
>> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
>> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>> >
>> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
>> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
>> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
>> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
>> > bit too high for wind power.
>> >
>> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
>> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>> >
>> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease
>> to remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the
>> lease.
>> >>
>> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
>> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power
>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of
>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen
>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't
>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have
>> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>> >>
>> >> A lot 

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Cassidy B. Larson]

MPLS is supposed to be “faster” than pure IP routing.  It wont have to lookup 
the full route in the route table.. just match the appropriate label to the 
label table. 
If that is true on Mikrotik, I couldn’t tell you.


> On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with 
> multiple POPs hanging off our network.
>  
> Works great.
>  
> Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS
>  
> I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and then 
> routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS instances.
> 
> On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>  
> I use it all over and at the core.
>  
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>  
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
> customer end routing.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:  <>af-boun...@afmug.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS
>  
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
> way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
> that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>  
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
> version (6.38.1)?
>  
> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Ken Hohhof]

Or Awesome?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Only if it is fabulous 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

Is he channeling Shep Smith?

 

Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf, like 
Christie.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

 

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

 

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try jewing

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  > 
wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

 

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

 

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Tropical anal mist. 

 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

 

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a racist 

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters and 
threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  > 
wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  

 

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Sterling Jacobson]

We use it for both and then a few more tags for business clients with multiple 
POPs hanging off our network.

Works great.

Just want to push the envelope more with my capacity.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and then 
routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS instances.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.

I use it all over and at the core.

But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.

So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
customer end routing.

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
version (6.38.1)?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Cameron Crum]

The worst part for me is the freaking eye-sore these things create. I drive
a couple times a year from Fort Worth to Taos, NM and west Texas is
littered with these things as far as the eye can see. Looks like shit and
half of them are never even spinning. I'd much rather see the boring
prairie than these things. But, it's not my land so I can't complain too
much. I sure wouldn't want to live nearby though. The are somewhat noisy.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that
> language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the
> land, and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and
> concrete blocks to clean up.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>
>
>
> The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
> renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
> calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
> years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
> going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
> return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
>
> The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it
> when I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something
> with that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe
> it just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power
> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of
> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen
> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't
> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have
> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
> >>
> >> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is
> the power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate
> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar
> taken off.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original 

Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[Jaime Solorza]

Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI

On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything fancy
> (i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to it (HDMI
> Inputs)  I really don't feel like building one.  Oh, and she want's it
> cheap.  Looking at the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really
> easy to find, but I can't seem to find any that have dual monitor support.
> Newegg will let you filter desktops by Videocard model, but not by Output
> options.
>
> It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display setups, so I'd
> imagine there should be a ton of these things on the refurb market.  Any
> ideas what I should be looking for?  I'd like to find something in the
> $200-$300 range.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[Nate Burke]

I found the Dell Refurb site.  AMD Video card gives a Display port and 
DVI, I5 8gb ram for $209.  That might be what I'm looking for.


On 2/17/2017 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Get one with Display port and get converter to HDMI

On Feb 17, 2017 3:37 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything
fancy (i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to
it (HDMI Inputs)  I really don't feel like building one.  Oh, and
she want's it cheap.  Looking at the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites,
cheap PC's are really easy to find, but I can't seem to find any
that have dual monitor support. Newegg will let you filter
desktops by Videocard model, but not by Output options.

It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display
setups, so I'd imagine there should be a ton of these things on
the refurb market.  Any ideas what I should be looking for?  I'd
like to find something in the $200-$300 range.

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

Seriously doubt it. More like $10-15 on a bad day..


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 4:25 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

The case cost more than $50

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 4:03 PM Keefe John > wrote:


So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them <
$50.  Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.

Keefe


On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in
the near future..


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the
cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution
to sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be
working.   I'm in the process of getting the design on a
prototype board for the rackmount injector. This *is* going to
be more expensive than the non-cambium sync version, but for
roughly the price of just that controller,  you should be able
to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of
injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around
$1200 or so, you should be able to get a fully loaded one with
16 ports of sync.

I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described
in earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and
this should be shipping.

-forrest


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:

The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa
APs from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit
ethernet link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would
be all over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync
hardware we use is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:


You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with
PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't
think the actual cost of building the hardware has much to
do with the price of a CMM



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:



You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a
bit more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you
serious, Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller,
a DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with
LuCI web interface, and a module to control
the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/17/17 13:09, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

OMG it IS a raspberry pi and a DC-DC converter in a box.  (Yeah I know
you said that but the picture definitely drives it home).



I thought it was a joke, like "I could do this with a Pi". But then it 
literally is a Pi.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

4x markup for something that works is very reasonable. 10x or more 
markup for a poorly-built device is a bit much.. They could have at 
least included a hot glue stick to fix the dang power connector.



Vlad

On 2/17/2017 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Nothing new.  Solectek got started by using a PC, SMC Ethernet card, 
NCR WaveLAN card and KarlNet software on memory card.   Back then 
parts about 600..sold for 2499.00 if I recall... Same with OverLAN and 
TTI.


On Feb 17, 2017 3:06 PM, "Vlad Sedov" > wrote:


Well, I can see paying premium for radios.. After all, they work
good, and make us lots of money.. They are well-engineered and
tested for the most part.
The CMM5 controller is a hobby-grade piece of untested
off-the-shelf crap, and does not justify the price tag.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 4:02 PM, Keefe John wrote:


So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them <
$50.  Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.

Keefe


On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up
in the near future..


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this
tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the
cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded
solution to sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.  
Seems to be working.   I'm in the process of getting the design

on a prototype board for the rackmount injector. This *is*
going to be more expensive than the non-cambium sync version,
but for roughly the price of just that controller, you should
be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8
of injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around
$1200 or so, you should be able to get a fully loaded one with
16 ports of sync.

I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I
described in earlier threads, but add a month or two after
WISPAMERICA and this should be shipping.

-forrest



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:

The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa
APs from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean
gigabit ethernet link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would
be all over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync
hardware we use is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with
PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't
think the actual cost of building the hardware has much to
do with the price of a CMM

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product?
Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you
serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a
bit more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you
serious, Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi
controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a metal
box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with
LuCI web interface, and a module to
control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad










-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

[AFMUG] Searching for a simple Desktop PC

[Nate Burke]

The Wife is looking for a new Desktop, She doesn't need anything fancy 
(i3, i5 is fine), but want's to have 2 monitors hooked up to it (HDMI 
Inputs)  I really don't feel like building one.  Oh, and she want's it 
cheap.  Looking at the Dell, HP, and Lenovo sites, cheap PC's are really 
easy to find, but I can't seem to find any that have dual monitor 
support.  Newegg will let you filter desktops by Videocard model, but 
not by Output options.


It seems almost all corporate offices now have dual display setups, so 
I'd imagine there should be a ton of these things on the refurb market.  
Any ideas what I should be looking for?  I'd like to find something in 
the $200-$300 range.

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

I was debating on whether to just use VPLS for my management traffic and
then routing customer traffic as normal, or put both in separate VPLS
instances.

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.
>
>
>
> I use it all over and at the core.
>
>
>
> But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get
> 9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.
>
>
>
> So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main
> customer end routing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS
>
>
>
> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
>
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
>
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Lewis Bergman]

The case cost more than $50

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 4:03 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < $50.
> Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.
>
> Keefe
>
> On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
>
> Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the near
> future..
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:
>
> I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the cambium
> sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to sync Medusa
> (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be working.   I'm in the
> process of getting the design on a prototype board for the rackmount
> injector. This *is* going to be more expensive than the non-cambium
> sync version, but for roughly the price of just that controller,  you
> should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of
> injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so,
> you should be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.
>
> I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in
> earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this should
> be shipping.
>
> -forrest
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>
> The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs from the
> base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet link.
> If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all over it.
> Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use is from PacketFlux.
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with PacketFlux gear
> for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think the actual cost of building
> the hardware has much to do with the price of a CMM
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>
> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged. I
> can build this for about $100.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a metal
> box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a module
> to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Jaime Solorza]

Nothing new.  Solectek got started by using a PC, SMC Ethernet card, NCR
WaveLAN card and KarlNet software on memory card.   Back then parts about
600..sold for 2499.00 if I recall... Same with OverLAN and TTI.

On Feb 17, 2017 3:06 PM, "Vlad Sedov"  wrote:

> Well, I can see paying premium for radios.. After all, they work good, and
> make us lots of money.. They are well-engineered and tested for the most
> part.
> The CMM5 controller is a hobby-grade piece of untested off-the-shelf crap,
> and does not justify the price tag.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 4:02 PM, Keefe John wrote:
>
> So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < $50.
> Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.
>
> Keefe
>
> On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
>
> Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the near
> future..
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:
>
> I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the cambium
> sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to sync Medusa
> (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be working.   I'm in the
> process of getting the design on a prototype board for the rackmount
> injector. This *is* going to be more expensive than the non-cambium
> sync version, but for roughly the price of just that controller,  you
> should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of
> injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so,
> you should be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.
>
> I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in
> earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this should
> be shipping.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>
>> The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs from the
>> base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet link.
>> If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all over
>> it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use is from
>> PacketFlux.
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with PacketFlux
>> gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think the actual cost of
>> building the hardware has much to do with the price of a CMM
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>>
>>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>>
>>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
 I can build this for about $100.


 Vlad

 On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
>> metal box?
>> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
>> module to control the CMM5.
>>
>> Seems a bit steep, no?
>>
>>
>> peace
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC -48 voltage grounding

[chuck]

No, not dumb.  Put a fuse in the -48 leg.

Hopefully neither the radio or the power supply connect either side to 
ground.  If one of them does the other needs to be floating or matching.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:15 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] DC -48 voltage grounding

Is it dumb of me to run a pair of wires up a tower 30 feet to connect DC 
voltage to the radio straight to the power supply in a cabinet at the base?


If so, what do I do to ground it or fuse it or isolate it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Only if it is fabulous

On Feb 17, 2017 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Is he channeling Shep Smith?
>
>
>
> Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf,
> like Christie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
>
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>
> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
>
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>
> Denial
>
> Anger
>
> Bargaining
>
> Depression
>
> Acceptance
>
>
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
>
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
>
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
>
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
>
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>
> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
> not intentionally excluding them.
>
>
>
> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
> To: "Animal Farm" 
>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%
> 2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-
> 

[AFMUG] DC -48 voltage grounding

[Sterling Jacobson]

Is it dumb of me to run a pair of wires up a tower 30 feet to connect DC 
voltage to the radio straight to the power supply in a cabinet at the base?

If so, what do I do to ground it or fuse it or isolate it?

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m using it on 6.38 and so far so good.

I use it all over and at the core.

But I’m still experiencing ‘slow downs’ at the VPLS port where I don’t get 
9Gbps anymore, and it appears to be reduced to 5Gbps and 2Gbps for up/down.

So I’m thinking of reverting back to straight OSPF and VRRP for my main 
customer end routing.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific 
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all the 
way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would think 
that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable RouterOS 
version (6.38.1)?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

So Trump's secret plan was to get WISPs to pay for the wall...



Vlad


On 2/17/2017 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


They need to cover the 35% tax for building it in Mexico.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Keefe John
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 4:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < 
$50.  Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.


Keefe

On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in
the near future..


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this
tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete
the cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded
solution to sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.  
Seems to be working.   I'm in the process of getting the
design on a prototype board for the rackmount injector.
This *is* going to be more expensive than the non-cambium sync
version, but for roughly the price of just that controller, 
you should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller

plus either 8 of injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For
probably around $1200 or so, you should be able to get a fully
loaded one with 16 ports of sync.

I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I
described in earlier threads, but add a month or two after
WISPAMERICA and this should be shipping.

-forrest

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:

The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa
APs from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean
gigabit ethernet link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would
be all over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync
hardware we use is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing
with PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800...
I don't think the actual cost of building the hardware
has much to do with the price of a CMM

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished
product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you
serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect
something a bit more um.. rugged. I can build
this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make
money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you
serious, Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi
controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro
with LuCI web interface, and a module
to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad




-- 


*Forrest Christian*/CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602

forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 


 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Ken Hohhof]

They need to cover the 35% tax for building it in Mexico.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 

So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < $50.  Now you 
know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.

Keefe

 

On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the near 
future..


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the cambium sync 
design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to sync Medusa (and 450i) 
via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be working.   I'm in the process of getting 
the design on a prototype board for the rackmount injector. This *is* going 
to be more expensive than the non-cambium sync version, but for roughly the 
price of just that controller,  you should be able to get the rackmount 
chassis+controller plus either 8 of injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   
For probably around $1200 or so, you should be able to get a fully loaded one 
with 16 ports of sync.

I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in earlier 
threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this should be shipping.

-forrest

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov  > wrote:

The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs from the base of 
the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all over it. 
Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with PacketFlux gear for 
a whole lot less than $800... I don't think the actual cost of building the 
hardware has much to do with the price of a CMM

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov"  >
To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged. I can 
build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov"  >
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a module to 
control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad

 

 

 

 

 




-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       
 

     

   

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

Well, I can see paying premium for radios.. After all, they work good, 
and make us lots of money.. They are well-engineered and tested for the 
most part.
The CMM5 controller is a hobby-grade piece of untested off-the-shelf 
crap, and does not justify the price tag.



Vlad

On 2/17/2017 4:02 PM, Keefe John wrote:


So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < 
$50.  Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.


Keefe


On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the 
near future..



Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the 
cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to 
sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be 
working.   I'm in the process of getting the design on a prototype 
board for the rackmount injector. This *is* going to be more 
expensive than the non-cambium sync version, but for roughly the 
price of just that controller,  you should be able to get the 
rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of injection, and a 
syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so, you should 
be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.


I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in 
earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this 
should be shipping.


-forrest



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:


The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs
from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit
ethernet link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be
all over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we
use is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with
PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think
the actual cost of building the hardware has much to do with
the price of a CMM

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit
more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a
DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI
web interface, and a module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad










--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

[AFMUG] Items for sale

[Timothy Yent]

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, no
reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

You can view product specifications at

http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

 

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation

 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Keefe John]

So they're charging $995.00 for something that likely cost them < $50.  
Now you know their profit margins on radios and other hardware.


Keefe


On 2/17/2017 3:28 PM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the 
near future..



Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the 
cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to 
sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be 
working.   I'm in the process of getting the design on a prototype 
board for the rackmount injector. This *is* going to be more 
expensive than the non-cambium sync version, but for roughly the 
price of just that controller,  you should be able to get the 
rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of injection, and a 
syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so, you should 
be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.


I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in 
earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this 
should be shipping.


-forrest



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:


The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs
from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet
link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all
over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use
is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with
PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think
the actual cost of building the hardware has much to do with the
price of a CMM

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit
more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a
DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI
web interface, and a module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad










--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Ken Hohhof]

Is he channeling Shep Smith?

 

Or maybe he went to the White House and Trump made him order the meatloaf, like 
Christie.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

 

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

 

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try jewing

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  > 
wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

 

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

 

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Tropical anal mist. 

 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

 

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

 

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

 

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a racist 

She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters and 
threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  > 
wrote:

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  

 

 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza"  >

To: "Animal Farm"  >

Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517

 

On Feb 16, 

Re: [AFMUG] Lightening protection

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

https://www.lashdelivery.com delivers

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We install near radio and indoors.   We also you air terminals above
> antennas and radios So far,  we have not had any blown radios in
> southern NM and West Texas Here is a picture of lightning protection on
> water tank... Air terminals just arrived today but I came home to deal with
> water leak in house... Worst part..  I have no Tecate..
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:35 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious if anyone else has seen a benefit to installing suppression
>> outdoors near the radio in tower situations (either straight DC or PoE).
>> I've seen mixed results with this, but had a couple of situations last
>> season that had me wondering if it would make a difference.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

I thought you just used vpls for that...

On Friday, February 17, 2017, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You stretch vlans over your mpls fabric?
>
> :(
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Carl Peterson
> > wrote:
> > I've never used it on Router OS, so I can't speak to that, but we use it
> > between each POP and the BNG.
> > Only real drawbacks that I see are:
> >  You need to be careful about MTUs.
> >  It is harder to use diverse geographically separated upstreams.
> >
> > It makes life simple.  We run a SVLAN over VPLS to each POP and then
> assign
> > each customer a unique CVLAN on that SVLAN.  The BNG dynamically creates
> the
> > SVAN.CVLAN for the customer, authenticates them via radius, and assigns
> DHCP
> > filters, routing instances, etc.  We are still working on transitioning
> > customers and POPs over but thus far it has been pretty painless.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Jason McKemie
> > > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll have to catch up on some of those, just wondered what others had
> >> found.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Josh Reynolds  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are a lot of NANOG presentations on this topic in Google.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:27 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> >>> > wrote:
> 
>  I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
>  specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not
> just use
>  it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using
> MPLS?  I
>  would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
> 
>  Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
>  RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
> 
>  -Jason
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Carl Peterson
> >
> > PORT NETWORKS
> >
> > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> >
> > Baltimore, MD 21202
> >
> > (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha...good one

On Feb 17, 2017 2:45 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>>
>> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage
>> in attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
>> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
>> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>>> jewing
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

 I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
 Denial
 Anger
 Bargaining
 Depression
 Acceptance

 I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

 *From:* Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 Tropical anal mist.

 Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

 I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

 On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call
>> him a racist
>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>> being recorded
>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing
>>> what she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first 
>>> time
>>> I have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and 
>>> making
>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to 
>>> trump
>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal 
>>> chain
>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and 
>>> not be
>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
>>> venture,
>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting 
>>> joke.
>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
>>> because
>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever 
>>> to
>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in 
>>> maintaining
>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
 directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
 talking
 about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the 
 reporter
 asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that. 
  He
 didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
 that he's not intentionally excluding them.

 That's the danger of being a wise-ass.




 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jaime Solorza" 
 To: "Animal Farm" 
 Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


 Really?  Fuck, why am I not 

Re: [AFMUG] Lightening protection

[Jaime Solorza]

We install near radio and indoors.   We also you air terminals above
antennas and radios So far,  we have not had any blown radios in
southern NM and West Texas Here is a picture of lightning protection on
water tank... Air terminals just arrived today but I came home to deal with
water leak in house... Worst part..  I have no Tecate..

On Feb 17, 2017 1:35 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone else has seen a benefit to installing suppression
> outdoors near the radio in tower situations (either straight DC or PoE).
> I've seen mixed results with this, but had a couple of situations last
> season that had me wondering if it would make a difference.
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM,  wrote:

> OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?
>
> Then we know we hit a milestone.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
> attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
> Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
> of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
>> jewing
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>>
>>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>>> Denial
>>> Anger
>>> Bargaining
>>> Depression
>>> Acceptance
>>>
>>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> Tropical anal mist.
>>>
>>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>>
>>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
 Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
 meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad

 On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him
> a racist
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>
>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
>> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
>> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
>> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and 
>> making
>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to 
>> trump
>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not 
>> be
>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
>> venture,
>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting 
>> joke.
>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
>> because
>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in 
>> maintaining
>> their presence as an entity.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
>>> directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
>>> talking
>>> about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter
>>> asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  
>>> He
>>> didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
>>> that he's not intentionally excluding them.
>>>
>>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

OK, when this changes to Fuck Trump?  

Then we know we hit a milestone.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in 
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage... Water 
heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full of pumps 
and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try 
jewing

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Tropical anal mist. 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, 
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I 
feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

  On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him 
a racist 
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on 
reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being 
recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

  When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it 
appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed 
obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said 
Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what 
she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have 
ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. 
And they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. 
Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard 
directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking 
about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked 
him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't 
literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not 
intentionally excluding them. 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


  On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability 
to do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions 
on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of creating 
jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has been raped 
and left to die 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Anger?   Not really... Fuck Trump... Dealing with water line damage in
attic... Three rooms affected as well as outlets and equipment damage...
Water heater caused problem.  Contractor friend jumped on it..  House full
of pumps and fans Not weekend I had planned... BTW. Fuck Trump

On Feb 17, 2017 1:51 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
> jewing
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>>
>> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
>> Denial
>> Anger
>> Bargaining
>> Depression
>> Acceptance
>>
>> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Tropical anal mist.
>>
>> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>>
>> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him
 a racist
 She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
 reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
 being recorded
 She would be a great reporter for the onion


 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
> appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
> Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
> said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not 
> be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile 
> venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
> because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in 
> maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
>> directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
>> talking
>> about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter
>> asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  
>> He
>> didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
>> that he's not intentionally excluding them.
>>
>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>> -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the
>>> name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our
>>> mother has been raped 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Maybe It's time for this to come out and play:

[image: Inline image 1]


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:10 PM,  wrote:

> Forest, I’ll bet you can offer them for $799, right?
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 2:09 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> OMG it IS a raspberry pi and a DC-DC converter in a box.  (Yeah I know you
> said that but the picture definitely drives it home).
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>
>> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>>
>> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
>> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software..
>> big deal.
>> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
>> Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
>> solution is a bit insulting.
>>
>> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
>> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC
>> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could
>> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects
>> by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>>
>>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>>
>>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
 I can build this for about $100.


 Vlad

 On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
>> metal box?
>> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
>> module to control the CMM5.
>>
>> Seems a bit steep, no?
>>
>>
>> peace
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Josh Reynolds]

You stretch vlans over your mpls fabric?

:(

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Carl Peterson
 wrote:
> I've never used it on Router OS, so I can't speak to that, but we use it
> between each POP and the BNG.
> Only real drawbacks that I see are:
>  You need to be careful about MTUs.
>  It is harder to use diverse geographically separated upstreams.
>
> It makes life simple.  We run a SVLAN over VPLS to each POP and then assign
> each customer a unique CVLAN on that SVLAN.  The BNG dynamically creates the
> SVAN.CVLAN for the customer, authenticates them via radius, and assigns DHCP
> filters, routing instances, etc.  We are still working on transitioning
> customers and POPs over but thus far it has been pretty painless.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Jason McKemie
>  wrote:
>>
>> I'll have to catch up on some of those, just wondered what others had
>> found.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are a lot of NANOG presentations on this topic in Google.
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:27 PM, "Jason McKemie"
>>>  wrote:

 I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
 specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use
 it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I
 would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

 Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
 RouterOS version (6.38.1)?

 -Jason
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> PORT NETWORKS
>
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>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
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Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

Awesome! Can't wait. We have a bunch of these Medusas going up in the 
near future..



Vlad


On 2/17/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the 
cambium sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to 
sync Medusa (and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here. Seems to be working.   
I'm in the process of getting the design on a prototype board for the 
rackmount injector. This *is* going to be more expensive than the 
non-cambium sync version, but for roughly the price of just that 
controller, you should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller 
plus either 8 of injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably 
around $1200 or so, you should be able to get a fully loaded one with 
16 ports of sync.


I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in 
earlier threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this 
should be shipping.


-forrest



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:


The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs
from the base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet
link.
If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all
over it. Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use
is from PacketFlux.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with
PacketFlux gear for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think
the actual cost of building the hardware has much to do with the
price of a CMM

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit
more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a
DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI
web interface, and a module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad










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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
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Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Not really.  I've looked at this a few times - one of the things I've
played with in the skunkworks is a "SiteMonitor Pi" which wouldn't hide
what it was - a base unit, with a pi compute module instead of the normal
CPU, and running a Raspbian based distro.

Between power consumption, undefined temperature range, and questionable
availability, I decided that this project was something to back burner -
not saying that it isn't going to see the light of day sometime, but at the
time, too many ways for this to crash and burn.

I will say that the availability does seem to have improved as the
popularity has increased.



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:45 PM,  wrote:

> Too funny.  When I considered using Pi, I discovered that there was a
> severe limitation in obtaining production quantities.  Has that changed.
>
> -Original Message- From: Vlad Sedov
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>
> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller
> software.. big deal.
> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
> Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
> solution is a bit insulting.
>
> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the
> 5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot
> glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my
> Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um..
>>> rugged. I can build this for about $100.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Just like you, they're in business to make money.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and
> a metal box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
> module to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>


>>>
>>
>


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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Josh Luthman]

That's what I said!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> OMG it IS a raspberry pi and a DC-DC converter in a box.  (Yeah I know you
> said that but the picture definitely drives it home).
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>
>> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>>
>> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
>> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software..
>> big deal.
>> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
>> Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
>> solution is a bit insulting.
>>
>> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
>> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC
>> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could
>> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects
>> by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>>
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>>
>>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>>
>>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
 I can build this for about $100.


 Vlad

 On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
>> metal box?
>> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
>> module to control the CMM5.
>>
>> Seems a bit steep, no?
>>
>>
>> peace
>>
>> Vlad
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So this looks like as good of a place as any to provide this tidbit:

I finally found the component I was looking for to complete the cambium
sync design here, and I now have a breadboarded solution to sync Medusa
(and 450i) via 'cambium sync) here.   Seems to be working.   I'm in the
process of getting the design on a prototype board for the rackmount
injector. This *is* going to be more expensive than the non-cambium
sync version, but for roughly the price of just that controller,  you
should be able to get the rackmount chassis+controller plus either 8 of
injection, and a syncbox GPS receiver.   For probably around $1200 or so,
you should be able to get a fully loaded one with 16 ports of sync.

I'm *not* holding this injector for this for reasons I described in earlier
threads, but add a month or two after WISPAMERICA and this should be
shipping.

-forrest



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> The only reason we got this is to properly sync our Medusa APs from the
> base of the tower, and maintain a clean gigabit ethernet link.
> If Forrest had a product that did the same thing, we would be all over it.
> Literally every other piece of GPS sync hardware we use is from PacketFlux.
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 11:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> You could also buy all the parts to do the same thing with PacketFlux gear
> for a whole lot less than $800... I don't think the actual cost of building
> the hardware has much to do with the price of a CMM
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
>>> I can build this for about $100.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Just like you, they're in business to make money.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
> metal box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
> module to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>


>>>
>>
>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[chuck]

Forest, I’ll bet you can offer them for $799, right?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

OMG it IS a raspberry pi and a DC-DC converter in a box.  (Yeah I know you said 
that but the picture definitely drives it home).


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

  This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)

  Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine 
there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software.. big 
deal.
  You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself.. Charging 
that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management solution is a bit 
insulting.

  ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling inside 
as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC connector 
just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could have fixed 
that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects by default, to 
keep this shit from happening.


  Vlad 


  On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


  No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged. 
I can build this for about $100.


  Vlad

  On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


  $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a 
metal box?
  Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a 
module to control the CMM5.

  Seems a bit steep, no?


  peace

  Vlad












-- 

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  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

OMG it IS a raspberry pi and a DC-DC converter in a box.  (Yeah I know you
said that but the picture definitely drives it home).

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>
> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software..
> big deal.
> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself.. Charging
> that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management solution is a
> bit insulting.
>
> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC
> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could
> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects
> by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
>>> I can build this for about $100.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Just like you, they're in business to make money.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
> metal box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
> module to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>


>>>
>>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

he will be ok as long as when he hits the bargaining phase he doesnt try
jewing

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:49 PM,  wrote:

> Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.
>
> I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
> Denial
> Anger
> Bargaining
> Depression
> Acceptance
>
> I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Tropical anal mist.
>
> Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.
>
> I'm not offended, I'm impressed.
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
>> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
>> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>>> racist
>>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>>> being recorded
>>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it
 appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.
 Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had
 said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.

 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
 she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
 have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
 Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
 surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
 that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
 to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
 able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
 Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
 They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
 they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
 be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
 their presence as an entity.

 On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard
> directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
> talking
> about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter
> asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He
> didn't literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying
> that he's not intentionally excluding them.
>
> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
> -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother 
>> has
>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it 
>> does
>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>> Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a 
>> bubble
>> in US 

Re: [AFMUG] Lightening protection

[chuck]

Here is a very non biased opinion... (tongue firmly implanted in cheek)...

It is the strikes in the 0-2 mile zone that induce the damaging currents in all 
conductors.

http://www.surge-suppression.org/



From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Lightening protection

I'm curious if anyone else has seen a benefit to installing suppression 
outdoors near the radio in tower situations (either straight DC or PoE).  I've 
seen mixed results with this, but had a couple of situations last season that 
had me wondering if it would make a difference. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

Not the first time Tropical anal mist has been mentioned here.

I am just waiting for Jaime to get through the 5 levels of grief.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I think he is in the anger phase at the moment...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Tropical anal mist. 

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, Mexican 
and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a meeting. I feel 
like I spitting up to heaven So bad 

  On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a 
racist 
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters 
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

  When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared 
Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious 
he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional 
Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she 
was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

  On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  
The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

  Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


  On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to 
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions on 
dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of creating 
jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has been raped 
and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run 
with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... 

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of 
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well 
as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble 
in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something 
up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



  We will survive him.  I really like what the 

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Carl Peterson]

I've never used it on Router OS, so I can't speak to that, but we use it
between each POP and the BNG.
Only real drawbacks that I see are:
 You need to be careful about MTUs.
 It is harder to use diverse geographically separated upstreams.

It makes life simple.  We run a SVLAN over VPLS to each POP and then assign
each customer a unique CVLAN on that SVLAN.  The BNG dynamically creates
the SVAN.CVLAN for the customer, authenticates them via radius, and assigns
DHCP filters, routing instances, etc.  We are still working on
transitioning customers and POPs over but thus far it has been pretty
painless.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'll have to catch up on some of those, just wondered what others had
> found.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of NANOG presentations on this topic in Google.
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2017 2:27 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
>>> specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use
>>> it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I
>>> would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>>>
>>> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
>>> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

I would suggest trying it.  The 450m also has 5-6 dB better uplink sensitivity. 
 When you add the uplink beamforming gains to this, you'll see uplink 
modulation improvements in nearly all the SMs on the sector.  Others can chime 
in with their experiences, but there's enough evidence of this, that I am 
confident in it.

Matt (@CambiumMatt)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 2:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

> IIRC, the 450m does not have the active filter like the 450i. They are 
> instead relying on the beam-steering to combat the noise.

That's a bit disappointing.  We have sites that have PTP450 backhauls and 
PMP450 AP's in 5 ghz band on same tower.

[AFMUG] Lightening protection

[Jason McKemie]

I'm curious if anyone else has seen a benefit to installing suppression
outdoors near the radio in tower situations (either straight DC or PoE).
I've seen mixed results with this, but had a couple of situations last
season that had me wondering if it would make a difference.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[Matt]

> IIRC, the 450m does not have the active filter like the 450i. They are
> instead relying on the beam-steering to combat the noise.

That's a bit disappointing.  We have sites that have PTP450 backhauls
and PMP450 AP's in 5 ghz band on same tower.

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

I'll have to catch up on some of those, just wondered what others had found.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> There are a lot of NANOG presentations on this topic in Google.
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 2:27 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a
>> specific location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use
>> it all the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I
>> would think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>>
>> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
>> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Josh Reynolds]

There are a lot of NANOG presentations on this topic in Google.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:27 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
> location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
> the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
> think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.
>
> Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
> RouterOS version (6.38.1)?
>
> -Jason
>

[AFMUG] MPLS

[Jason McKemie]

I'm starting to utilize MPLS/VPLS at the edge of my network for a specific
location, but am wondering if there is any reason to not just use it all
the way back to the core.  What are the pros/cons of using MPLS?  I would
think that you could save some public IPs if nothing else.

Also, has anyone had any issues with MPLS/VPLS on the latest stable
RouterOS version (6.38.1)?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL

On Feb 17, 2017 2:11 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Here is a test to resolve the question.
>
> Hold up 2 photos, 1 of a car, and 1 of Justin Trudeau.  Which photo are
> you staring at?
>
> If it’s not the car, you and Ivanka can go shoe shopping.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> You sure you don't just want to see my junk?
>
>
>
> I mean, hey, it's 2017. Not my thing, but whatever man :P
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:24 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not calling you the girl.  I should have used a quoted format.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> I don't have a Hyundai. I have a Jeep (bought when I lived in Alaska)
> and a Saab 9-3 Turbo (daily driver/commuter car).
>
> If I found a Hyundai that I liked, right price, right features, for
> what I needed at the time I would have no problem purchasing one
> unless it was a pain to work on (small areas, lots of specialized
> expensive tools, etc) or had poor reliability.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Says the girl driving a Hyundai
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> > wrote:
> >>
>
> >> *shrug* a vehicle is a tool to me. To some, it is a fashion statement.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Jason McKemie
> >>  wrote:
> >> > They certainly are priced right, and can appear to have some quality
> >> > aspects. Their longevity is very dubious, however. I also find them to
> >> > be
> >> > extremely boring.
> >> >
> >> > On Friday, February 17, 2017, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My father in law just bought one to replace his chevy truck. A Kia
> >> >> Sorento. 4x4 v6. Nice interior. Factory installed inverter with 120v
> >> >> AC outlets. Pretty nice ride, he just brought it over last night.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > All that says is she isn't a car person.  Who the hell buys a
> Kia...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> >> > Suite 1337
> >> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Lewis Bergman
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by
> quite
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> margin.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  Sonata is pretty lame name
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >>  On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't run...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a business
> >> >> >> textbook.
> >> >> >> Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish speaking
> >> >> >> countries
> >> >> >> because it sounded similar to "don't go" or some such.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >> >> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw a
> Spark, I
> >> >> >> assumed it was an EV.  Nope.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Moffett
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LOL!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can't believe Chevy named them that way.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Josh Reynolds]

Tropical anal mist.

Never thought I'd read that phrase on this list.

I'm not offended, I'm impressed.

On Feb 17, 2017 2:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
> Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
> meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
>> racist
>> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
>> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
>> being recorded
>> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
>>> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
>>> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what
>>> she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I
>>> have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional
>>> Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
>>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
>>> their presence as an entity.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
 The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
 doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
 him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
 literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
 not intentionally excluding them.

 That's the danger of being a wise-ass.




 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jaime Solorza" 
 To: "Animal Farm" 
 Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


 Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
 hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
 %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
 -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517

 On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
> Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
> UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
>
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
> him giving the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Adam Moffett]

.but do you know Joe from Canada?

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/17/2017 3:12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino, 
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a 
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad


On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:
with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him 
a racist
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on 
reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she 
was being recorded

She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it 
appeared Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well 
enough.  Seemed obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  
If she had said Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never 
been an issue.


From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what 
she was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first 
time I have ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as 
Congressional Black Caucus. And they are infamous for not following 
channels, and making surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is 
saying he sent letters to trump that havent been responded to... 
yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, oh 
wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim 
racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like 
to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. 
They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues 
because they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue 
were ever to be resolved or made better, they would lose even more 
ground in maintaining their presence as an entity.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard 
directly.  The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was 
talking about doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and 
the reporter asked him if he's meeting with the congressional black 
caucus on that.  He didn't literally want the reporter to set up the 
meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally excluding them.


That's the danger of being a wise-ass.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517 



On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:
i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to 
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal 
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest 
in the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short 
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in 
disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run with or 
without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown 
Trump...


On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of 
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and 
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their 
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and that 
President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but no way 
to predict what it will be and hedge against it.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is 
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding. 
 All good stuff.




I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy 
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is 
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe 
it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[Jaime Solorza]

Boom.   Bullshit.  it was racist... I know every Chicano, Latino,
Mexican and Tropical Anal Mist one out there... I will set up a
meeting. I feel like I spitting up to heaven So bad

On Feb 17, 2017 12:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
> racist
> She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on
> reporters and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was
> being recorded
> She would be a great reporter for the onion
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:
>
>> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
>> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
>> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
>> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
>> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
>> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
>> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
>> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
>> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
>> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
>> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
>> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
>> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
>> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
>> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
>> their presence as an entity.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>>
>>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with
>>> -black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
 anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
 on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
 creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
 been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
 in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
 Clown Trump...

 On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
 stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
 emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
 in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
 something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



 We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
 UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.



 I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
 giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
 shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
 actually change things.



 Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
 he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Ken Hohhof]

Here is a test to resolve the question.

Hold up 2 photos, 1 of a car, and 1 of Justin Trudeau.  Which photo are you 
staring at?

If it’s not the car, you and Ivanka can go shoe shopping.



 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

 

You sure you don't just want to see my junk?

 

I mean, hey, it's 2017. Not my thing, but whatever man :P

 

On Feb 17, 2017 1:24 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:

I'm not calling you the girl.  I should have used a quoted format.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

I don't have a Hyundai. I have a Jeep (bought when I lived in Alaska)
and a Saab 9-3 Turbo (daily driver/commuter car).

If I found a Hyundai that I liked, right price, right features, for
what I needed at the time I would have no problem purchasing one
unless it was a pain to work on (small areas, lots of specialized
expensive tools, etc) or had poor reliability.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Josh Luthman
 > wrote:
> Says the girl driving a Hyundai
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340  
> Direct: 937-552-2343  
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds   >
> wrote:
>>

>> *shrug* a vehicle is a tool to me. To some, it is a fashion statement.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Jason McKemie
>>  
>> > wrote:
>> > They certainly are priced right, and can appear to have some quality
>> > aspects. Their longevity is very dubious, however. I also find them to
>> > be
>> > extremely boring.
>> >
>> > On Friday, February 17, 2017, Josh Reynolds > >  >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My father in law just bought one to replace his chevy truck. A Kia
>> >> Sorento. 4x4 v6. Nice interior. Factory installed inverter with 120v
>> >> AC outlets. Pretty nice ride, he just brought it over last night.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  > wrote:
>> >> > All that says is she isn't a car person.  Who the hell buys a Kia...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340  
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343  
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Lewis Bergman
>> >> >  >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it   was the 
>> >> >> best buy by quite
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> margin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie
>> >> >> > >> >>  > wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
>> >> >>>  > wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>  Sonata is pretty lame name
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>  On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" > >>   >
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't run...
>> >> >
>> >> > On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett" > >> >  >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a business
>> >> >> textbook.
>> >> >> Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish speaking
>> >> >> countries
>> >> >> because it sounded similar to "don't go" or some such.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- Original Message --
>> >> >> From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
>> >> >> To: af@afmug.com  
>> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw a Spark, I
>> >> >> assumed it was an EV.  Nope.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
>> >> >>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To: af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Josh Reynolds]

You sure you don't just want to see my junk?

I mean, hey, it's 2017. Not my thing, but whatever man :P

On Feb 17, 2017 1:24 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

I'm not calling you the girl.  I should have used a quoted format.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I don't have a Hyundai. I have a Jeep (bought when I lived in Alaska)
> and a Saab 9-3 Turbo (daily driver/commuter car).
>
> If I found a Hyundai that I liked, right price, right features, for
> what I needed at the time I would have no problem purchasing one
> unless it was a pain to work on (small areas, lots of specialized
> expensive tools, etc) or had poor reliability.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Says the girl driving a Hyundai
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> *shrug* a vehicle is a tool to me. To some, it is a fashion statement.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Jason McKemie
> >>  wrote:
> >> > They certainly are priced right, and can appear to have some quality
> >> > aspects. Their longevity is very dubious, however. I also find them to
> >> > be
> >> > extremely boring.
> >> >
> >> > On Friday, February 17, 2017, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My father in law just bought one to replace his chevy truck. A Kia
> >> >> Sorento. 4x4 v6. Nice interior. Factory installed inverter with 120v
> >> >> AC outlets. Pretty nice ride, he just brought it over last night.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > All that says is she isn't a car person.  Who the hell buys a
> Kia...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> >> > Suite 1337
> >> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Lewis Bergman
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by
> quite
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> margin.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  Sonata is pretty lame name
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >>  On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't run...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a business
> >> >> >> textbook.
> >> >> >> Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish speaking
> >> >> >> countries
> >> >> >> because it sounded similar to "don't go" or some such.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >> >> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw a
> Spark, I
> >> >> >> assumed it was an EV.  Nope.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Moffett
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LOL!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can't believe Chevy named them that way.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:17:58 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Arrgh, it was a Volt, not a Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I thought I was very clear on the phone...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL

On Feb 17, 2017 1:52 PM,  wrote:

> Did they really think one of us would not have opened the lid?
>
> Can you imagine the collective groans coming from Cambium land today.
>
> There was a disturbance in the force, like dozens of engineers getting
> lashed by the tongues of pointy haired managers...
>
> -Original Message- From: Vlad Sedov
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>
> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller
> software.. big deal.
> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
> Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
> solution is a bit insulting.
>
> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the
> 5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot
> glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my
> Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um..
>>> rugged. I can build this for about $100.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Just like you, they're in business to make money.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and
> a metal box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
> module to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[chuck]

Did they really think one of us would not have opened the lid?

Can you imagine the collective groans coming from Cambium land today.

There was a disturbance in the force, like dozens of engineers getting 
lashed by the tongues of pointy haired managers...


-Original Message- 
From: Vlad Sedov

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)

Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller
software.. big deal.
You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
solution is a bit insulting.

...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the
5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot
glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my
Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit from happening.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um..
rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and
a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

with scumbags like her, that was by design to trip him up and call him a
racist
She tried to pull the lie about the whitehouse having dossiers on reporters
and threatening her, but got caught when it turns out she was being recorded
She would be a great reporter for the onion


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:43 PM,  wrote:

> When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared
> Trump didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed
> obvious he didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said
> Congressional Black Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she
> was talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have
> ever heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black
> Caucus. And they are infamous for not following channels, and making
> surreal demands. Now that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump
> that havent been responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain
> to request a sit down, oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be
> able to claim racism. I dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture,
> Id like to think it is, but now its nothing more than a race baiting joke.
> They arent the people to talk to anyway regarding inner city issues because
> they are a huge part of the problem, If the inner city issue were ever to
> be resolved or made better, they would lose even more ground in maintaining
> their presence as an entity.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.
>> The tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about
>> doing (unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked
>> him if he's meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't
>> literally want the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's
>> not intentionally excluding them.
>>
>> That's the danger of being a wise-ass.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>> Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02
>> %2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-
>> with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>>> Clown Trump...
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
>>> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
>>> actually change things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
>>> he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can
>>> find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>>> left
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For 

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[chuck]

Too funny.  When I considered using Pi, I discovered that there was a severe 
limitation in obtaining production quantities.  Has that changed.


-Original Message- 
From: Vlad Sedov

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)

Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller
software.. big deal.
You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management
solution is a bit insulting.

...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the
5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot
glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my
Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit from happening.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um..
rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?


$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and
a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

[chuck]

When she said CBC, I heard CDC.  I didn’t know what CBC was, it appeared Trump 
didn’t either.  But I thought he recovered well enough.  Seemed obvious he 
didn’t know what CBC was (neither did I).  If she had said Congressional Black 
Caucus, then it would have never been an issue.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

The CBC stuff is a joke, the news is ripping him for not knowing what she was 
talking about, i didnt eaither, thats literally the first time I have ever 
heard it called CBC, its always referred to as Congressional Black Caucus. And 
they are infamous for not following channels, and making surreal demands. Now 
that bigot senator is saying he sent letters to trump that havent been 
responded to... yeah, sure, why not use the formal chain to request a sit down, 
oh wait, because you would get a sit down and not be able to claim racism. I 
dont know if the CBC was ever a worthwhile venture, Id like to think it is, but 
now its nothing more than a race baiting joke. They arent the people to talk to 
anyway regarding inner city issues because they are a huge part of the problem, 
If the inner city issue were ever to be resolved or made better, they would 
lose even more ground in maintaining their presence as an entity. 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That is actually a part of the press conference that I heard directly.  The 
tone conveys more than the literal words.  Trump was talking about doing 
(unspecified) work to help the inner cities and the reporter asked him if he's 
meeting with the congressional black caucus on that.  He didn't literally want 
the reporter to set up the meeting, he was saying that he's not intentionally 
excluding them. 

  That's the danger of being a wise-ass.  




  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 2/16/2017 6:54:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...  


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517


On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do 
anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions on 
dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of creating 
jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has been raped 
and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does in long run 
with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... 

  On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual 
stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as 
emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble in 
US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up 
but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  



I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him 
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, 
monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  



Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find 
out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  



Just so he does not start another shooting war...



From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left



For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.  



I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just 
can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to 
grow up.

[AFMUG] Stable tik firmware

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we run rb100AHx2 across the network, not alot to the configs, straight
routing, OSPF a couple bridges and a DHCP relay

we have been on 6.35.4 with no issues for a while

Checking current releases, we are a bit behind. but i see 6.36 gives me
fqdn for firewall acl, I need this for my remote access, right now I have
to RDP to the office to get on our routers remotely because of the ACL and
my home being dynamic.

Is 6.36 or above considered stable or recommended?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

Oh, and get this.. Disconnect power from it and let it boot a few 
times... After a few cycles, web server no longer works.


There's a service bulletin for this problem as of Monday... "Can't 
access GUI Interface"

/
//"We expect to have a software fix identified and available//
//shortly. Customers have the option of either RMAing the unit//
//for a replacement or, if they prefer, they can arrange to have a//
//replacement SD card mailed to them. The customer would//
//then have to follow a procedure to remove the lid of the//
//controller and replace the SD card, discarding the original.//
//As soon as the software fix is ready, we will have more//
//instructions available for this replacement.//
//A product RMA request can be opened from the Cambium//
//Customer Support Portal at the following URL://
//http://support.cambiumnetworks.com"/



..or just use Win32DiskImager and flash the IMG from the support website 
onto the SD card.


This product is NOT ready for prime time, and certainly isn't worth 
hundreds of dollars.


grr


Vlad



On 2/17/2017 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I suspect you could... maybe that's why they have to charge so much :P

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


Oh boy, now this is getting interesting...

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Eric Muehleisen
> wrote:
> Could you just take the SD card out, clone it, then put it into
another Pi
> and make your own cheap Cambium controller?
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Brian Sullivan
>
> wrote:
>>
>> At least they are using the highest quality electronics here!!!
>>
>> On 2/17/2017 11:11 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>>>
>>> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I
imagine
>>> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and
controller software..
>>> big deal.
>>> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
>>> Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew
management
>>> solution is a bit insulting.
>>>
>>> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was
rattling
>>> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to
find the 5VDC
>>> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of
hot glue could
>>> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my
Arduino projects by
>>> default, to keep this shit from happening.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

 Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" >
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um..
> rugged. I can build this for about $100.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" >
>> To: "af@afmug.com " >
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>>> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC
regulator, and a
>>> metal box?
>>> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web
interface, and a
>>> module to control the CMM5.
>>>
>>> Seems a bit steep, no?
>>>
>>>
>>> peace
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Lewis Bergman]

Hey...give'em a break. Those ferrite beads are pricey.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:30 PM Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> Yup. Pi 3, 2015 edition. You can plug in HDMI and watch it boot.
>
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 1:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> LOL it literally is a Pi.  I thought you were talking relatively.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>
> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>
> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software..
> big deal.
> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself.. Charging
> that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management solution is a
> bit insulting.
>
> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC
> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could
> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects
> by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>
> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged. I
> can build this for about $100.
>
>
> Vlad
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Just like you, they're in business to make money.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>
> $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a metal
> box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a module
> to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Vlad Sedov]

Yup. Pi 3, 2015 edition. You can plug in HDMI and watch it boot.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 1:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

LOL it literally is a Pi.  I thought you were talking relatively.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Vlad Sedov > wrote:


This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)

Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I
imagine there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and
controller software.. big deal.
You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself..
Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew
management solution is a bit insulting.

...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was
rattling inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up
to find the 5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi.
A drop of hot glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the
crap out of all my Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit
from happening.


Vlad


On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit
more um.. rugged. I can build this for about $100.


Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious,
Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a
DC-DC regulator, and a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web
interface, and a module to control the CMM5.

Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Josh Luthman]

LOL it literally is a Pi.  I thought you were talking relatively.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)
>
> Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine
> there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller software..
> big deal.
> You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself.. Charging
> that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management solution is a
> bit insulting.
>
> ...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling
> inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 5VDC
> connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot glue could
> have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my Arduino projects
> by default, to keep this shit from happening.
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> You couldn't write the software for it for $100.
>>
>> Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Vlad Sedov" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?
>>
>> No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. rugged.
>>> I can build this for about $100.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vlad
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
 Just like you, they're in business to make money.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Vlad Sedov" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

 $700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and a
> metal box?
> Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and a
> module to control the CMM5.
>
> Seems a bit steep, no?
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

[Josh Luthman]

I'm not calling you the girl.  I should have used a quoted format.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I don't have a Hyundai. I have a Jeep (bought when I lived in Alaska)
> and a Saab 9-3 Turbo (daily driver/commuter car).
>
> If I found a Hyundai that I liked, right price, right features, for
> what I needed at the time I would have no problem purchasing one
> unless it was a pain to work on (small areas, lots of specialized
> expensive tools, etc) or had poor reliability.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Says the girl driving a Hyundai
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> *shrug* a vehicle is a tool to me. To some, it is a fashion statement.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Jason McKemie
> >>  wrote:
> >> > They certainly are priced right, and can appear to have some quality
> >> > aspects. Their longevity is very dubious, however. I also find them to
> >> > be
> >> > extremely boring.
> >> >
> >> > On Friday, February 17, 2017, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My father in law just bought one to replace his chevy truck. A Kia
> >> >> Sorento. 4x4 v6. Nice interior. Factory installed inverter with 120v
> >> >> AC outlets. Pretty nice ride, he just brought it over last night.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > All that says is she isn't a car person.  Who the hell buys a
> Kia...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> >> > Suite 1337
> >> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Lewis Bergman
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by
> quite
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> margin.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  Sonata is pretty lame name
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >>  On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't run...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a business
> >> >> >> textbook.
> >> >> >> Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish speaking
> >> >> >> countries
> >> >> >> because it sounded similar to "don't go" or some such.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >> >> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw a
> Spark, I
> >> >> >> assumed it was an EV.  Nope.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Moffett
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LOL!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can't believe Chevy named them that way.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:17:58 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Arrgh, it was a Volt, not a Bolt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I thought I was very clear on the phone...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> From: Chuck McCown
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:00 PM
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[George Skorup]

IIRC, the 450m does not have the active filter like the 450i. They are 
instead relying on the beam-steering to combat the noise.


On 2/17/2017 11:31 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Hi Craig

We had a 450 fail a while back and we replaced it with a 450i. The 
customers connections improved so we see the 450i as an upgrade.  I 
don�t know if it was just due to the new sector being better or some 
magic in the radio.  The two main towers where we have 450 are very 
noisy, maybe it is the adaptive filter doing its thing?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
*Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 6:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Adam, do you need more processing power or the uplink noise filter? 
 My 450 are performing just fine.  I don't see a huge reason to 
upgrade just to a 450i. I have a few that will go to a full 450m this 
year. Just curious on your thoughts.




*From:*Af > on 
behalf of SmarterBroadband >

*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:40:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:36 PM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Welcome back comrade

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband" > wrote:


Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs
450i integrated sector?

I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or
better than the new integrated sector version of the 450i.

I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of
upgrading to 450i, but with the 450m limited being available I am
considering going in that direction saving another clime in a year
or so.

I just don�t know what the performance of the m antenna would be
like on sector mode.

Thanks

Adam

[AFMUG] FS: Misc from office cleaning

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following available:

9x Cyclone Rotopol 5700 (unused)
7x Motorola 600ss (unused)
4x Motorola 2400sm (used, believed to be working)
1x Motorola 5700sm (used, believed to be working)
2x WBH 2.4GHz stinger (unused)
1x WBH 5.7GHz 450 stinger (unused)
1x WBH RCL-1 (unused)
2x Motorola 5GHz Lens (1 used, 1 unused)
2x Ubiquiti Rocket M5 (unused)
1x Ubiquiti AM 5G19 Sector (used)
1x Cambium 320 Sector (Laird I believe, I do not think it has been deployed
- Model number is 85010107001 - 3.3-3.8GHz, 65Deg, 17dBi)
1x Cisco 2611XM w/2x WIC 1DSU T1
1x Cisco Expansion Card w/2x WIC 1DSU T1 and 2x Ethernet
1x Mikrotik CRS212-1G-10S-1S+ IN (used for a few months in climate
controlled enclosure)
2x Occam 2342 ONT (unused)

Make an offer.

Thanks.

[AFMUG] OT - fire spewing drones

[Ken Hohhof]

http://gizmodo.com/power-company-sends-fire-spewing-drone-to-burn-trash-of-1
792482517

 

Sorry, no recipes.  But . fire spewing drones!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Ken Hohhof]

As part of the zoning approval, they pretty much get forced to put in that 
language.  Otherwise, they could avoid setting aside money to restore the land, 
and just skip town leaving the landowners with rusting hulks and concrete 
blocks to clean up.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

 

The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year 
renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the 
calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30 years. 
There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal, going into 
detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will return the 
property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.

The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when I 
looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with that 
much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it just means 
it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> "
>
> Summary of the calculations
>
> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> solar.
>
> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>
> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>
> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> bit too high for wind power.
>
> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>
> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof   > wrote:
>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>
>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have access 
>> roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>
>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate power 
>> from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar taken off.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-

>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>
>> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production 
>> resource usage)
>>
>> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[Ken Hohhof]

Lots of things are head scratchers.

Like supposedly Chevy loses money selling the Bolt.  But maybe that makes sense 
if it helps them achieve required fleet averages.  But what if Trump's EPA 
nixes all that?  Does it still make sense to lose money on Bolts?  Maybe it 
still does, if it helps your brand image and gets people into the showrooms.  
Maybe to buy a diesel Cruze:
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2017/feb/0213-cruze-diesel.html

It's like all the naysayers who thought Google Fiber didn't understand the cost 
of wiring houses with fiber.  Now Google Fiber seems to agree and is looking at 
wireless.  But for years, the naysayers were just losers who needed to be 
taught a lesson by the geniuses at Google.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

If you want to check in terms of raw profitability, which is equally 
interesting (to me), there is a very interesting report of a 3.5mw wind farm in 
Ireland.
http://arrow.dit.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1101=engscheleart2

They determined that their ROI was 6.5 years.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> "
>>
>> Summary of the calculations
>>
>> First of all I want to state that my calculations might include 
>> mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have 
>> not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to 
>> make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I 
>> used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over 
>> solar.
>>
>> Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly 
>> low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three 
>> that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that 
>> changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
>>
>> Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but 
>> it makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower 
>> can be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also 
>> be noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the 
>> lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not 
>> affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I 
>> didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
>>
>> In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable 
>> form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much 
>> because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the 
>> profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a 
>> bit too high for wind power.
>>
>> As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be 
>> profitable without subsidies but only barely."
>>
>> From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to 
>>> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
>>>
>>> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual wind 
>>> turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still 
>>> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the 
>>> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm 
>>> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the 
>>> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power 
>>> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of 
>>> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen 
>>> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't 
>>> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have 
>>> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is the 
>>> power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate 
>>> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar 
>>> taken off.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
>>>
>>> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + 
>>> production resource usage)
>>>
>>> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The lease on the turbine on the old ladies family estate has the 10 year
renewing lease (it auto renews with a bunch of numbers about changes to the
calculation) but it does state it is intended to cease operation in 30
years. There is a residual trust on each one to cover the cost of removal,
going into detail about what that consists of, essentially says it will
return the property to its original purpose state, in this case, farmland.
The lease was like 35 pages, im not a lawyer, so I may have misread it when
I looked at it while drunk. I did find it odd to only use something with
that much expense for 30 years (taxpayer funded, so who cares) maybe it
just means it will be refurbished and the lease revisited, I dont know

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Just a note: check the calculations on that page, and the charts.
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> > "
> >
> > Summary of the calculations
> >
> > First of all I want to state that my calculations might include
> > mistakes that I have not realized. Also, I know for a certain I have
> > not included any accounting gimmicks that big companies might use to
> > make their returns look better. Also, the fixed tariff price that I
> > used in every calculation might give wind power some advantage over
> > solar.
> >
> > Without subsidies the profitability of solar energy is surprisingly
> > low. Especially when considering that it is the one from these three
> > that seems to be the most talked about in India. Although all that
> > changes when subsidies are added in to the calculation.
> >
> > Also the hydropower gives a mediocre return on invested capital but it
> > makes it up with its flexibility. By this I mean that hydropower can
> > be used whenever the electricity prices are high. It should also be
> > noted that in these calculations I used lifetime of 50. If the
> > lifetime was 100 the ROCE would be higher. The subsidies did not
> > affect the hydropower’s profitability that much. Unfortunately I
> > didn’t find any subsidy schemes for large hydropower plants.
> >
> > In these calculations the wind power is easily the most profitable
> > form of energy. The incentives didn’t change the ROCE that much
> > because most of the incentives were tax based and only show on the
> > profit line. Although, I believe that the used electricity price is a
> > bit too high for wind power.
> >
> > As for Atlantic Tele-Network’s statement, solar power can be
> > profitable without subsidies but only barely."
> >
> > From: http://www.huntingvalue.com/renewable-energy-profitability/
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >> I think you're reading too much into the provision in the land lease to
> remove the concrete foundation and restore the land at the end of the lease.
> >>
> >> If you watch the whole process of developing a wind farm, the actual
> wind turbines are a small part of it.  The question would be, if it's still
> profitable at the end of 20 or 30 years, what would it take to extend the
> land leases and refurbish the infrastructure to keep it running?  I'm
> guessing a small fraction of the original cost.  Maybe just inspect the
> towers and foundations, replace the blades.  They still have the power
> wires, access roads, permits, etc.  It seems that a certain number of
> turbines get worked on each year as part of regular maintenance.  I've seen
> blades break, they just go out with a crane and replace them, it doesn't
> seem to be that big a deal.  These things are in rural areas and have
> access roads, they plan on regular inspections and maintenance.
> >>
> >> A lot depends on the regulatory environment, are there subsidies, is
> the power company required to buy the power, what does it cost to generate
> power from coal/nuclear/gas, has some other renewable energy like solar
> taken off.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:36 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread
> >>
> >> So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types +
> production resource usage)
> >>
> >> I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected
> >>> removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is
>  not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day."
> 
>  I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You
>  basically have to look at how long they