Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
We've almost completed a full integration with Saisei. We've got a few
WISPs using them and have been working with the Saisei team to finish
the integration project before the show next week.
Not sure will have it done. But we will have a demo to show at the event.
Dave Thomas - Director of Client Relations, Visp,net | WISP Billing and
Automation | 301 NE 6th Street, Grants Pass, OR 97526 Direct
541-955-6905 / Skype: dave.thomasvisp | Office: 541-955-6900 | cell:
541-219-7880
On 10/6/2016 11:43 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
We are using Saisei right now. Very similar to Procera but hardware
cost is much less because you just purchase a beefy Dell server.
Overall cost is less than Procera, especially upfront.
We've been very happy with their support team as well with any questions.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Seisei will be at the show.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser
<er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
wrote:
Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows.
http://saisei.com/
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
You've discovered my secret identity
On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Wait, is this you?
https://simonscat.com/
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists
to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found
myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones
the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to
some humans rather than my cat..
On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their
support staff about config.
I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are
you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get
back to work man!
-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with
stuff like that, some solutions are more complex
than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll
send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so
it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let
me know if you want to give one a shot and I can
set it up for you.
On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints.
It's more about people who's monthly usage
exceeds 600GB.
-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of
'magic' in there, like linking together
initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers,
and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS
connections. The biggest problem with
torrenters is that some portion of them
are smart enough to use a VPN, which
leaves you with little recourse. But
you're probably not getting any DMCA
complaints about them anyway..
On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That's good to know.
Can it reliably tag and limit torrent
traffic?
I've been looking at methods to do
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
on@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of >>> 'magic' in there, like linking together >>> initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and >>> then tying them to subsequent HTTPS >>> connections. The biggest problem with >>> torrenters is that some portion of them >>> are smart enough to use a VPN, which >>> leaves you with little recourse. But >>> you're probably not getting any DMCA >>> complaints about them anyway.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's good to know. >>> >>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent >>> traffic? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been looking at methods to do >>> that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >>> mangle rule examples I see online >>> don't actually work (anymore?) and the >>> ones that do work seem too broad for >>> comfort. I don't know if it's a >>> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I >>> keep getting asked about. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" >>> <simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com >>> > >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't >>> worth it. You end up paying list >>> on most of the licensing, and they >>> won't support the hardware if it >>> fails. They EOL the hardware every >>> 5 years or so as well (it's still >>> supported for a while afterwards, >>> but that's the typical cycle,) so >>> you generally want to be buying a >>> newer chassis. >>> >>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used >>> one, especially if it's a bigger >>> chassis, but it generally doesn't >>> make sense. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam >>> Moffett wrote: >>> >>> I lost track of whether the >>> license transferal issue was >>> with Barracuda or Procera or >>> both. >>> Could I buy a pre-chewed >>> Procera and then just buy the >>>
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
I'm liking the built in DDOS controls. We can do that with our procera as well but it requires some setup. - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:43:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs We are using Saisei right now. Very similar to Procera but hardware cost is much less because you just purchase a beefy Dell server. Overall cost is less than Procera, especially upfront. We've been very happy with their support team as well with any questions. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > Seisei will be at the show. > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote: > >> Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. >> >> http://saisei.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> >> wrote: >> >>> You've discovered my secret identity >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Wait, is this you? >>> >>> https://simonscat.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain >>> some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop >>> about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking >>> to some humans rather than my cat.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >>> config. >>> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on >>> this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >>> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll >>> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if >>> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >>> it up for you. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's >>> monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking >>> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to >>> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that >>> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with >>> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about >>> them anyway.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> That's good to know. >>> >>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >>> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the >>> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a >>> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
Time is your most valuable resource... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 6, 2016 2:34 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote: > Yeah, I much prefer coding to making physical things. I like the ability > to experiment, with the only materials wasted being time and coffee. The > only part I don't like is the tedium of creating all the boring parts, but > I've already built a lot of tools to build forms, tables, and graphs > automatically, so I can just focus on the interesting parts. > > On 10/6/2016 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Something satisfying about being in the “zone” when coding. > You have your long list of features and bugs. Crossing them off all day > long. > The hours fly by and you have a nice sense of satisfaction of building > something. > Day turns to night and you make yourself stop when you can no longer focus > on the screen. > > *From:* Simon Westlake > *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:17 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right > now. Still got a lot to do! > > On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: > > Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Westlake" mailto:simon@sonar.software > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain > some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop > about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start > talking to some humans rather than my cat.. > > On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about > config. > I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting > on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! > -- Original Message -- > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some > solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. > They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty > easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one > a shot and I can set it up for you. > > On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people > who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. > -- Original Message -- > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like > linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then > tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem > with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to > use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're > probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. > > On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > That's good to know. > Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? > I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of > the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work > (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. > I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep > getting asked about. > -- Original Message -- > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying > list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the > hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so > as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's > the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer > chassis. > > Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a > bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. > > On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with > Barracuda or Procera or both. > Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support > contract/lice
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
Really I'll be interested in checking it out. Been hoping there would be more network related stuff. It used to be dominated by all wireless vendors. Glad to see some network and software vendors showing up the last couple years. - Original Message - From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:41:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Seisei will be at the show. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: > Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. > > http://saisei.com/ > > > > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> > wrote: > >> You've discovered my secret identity >> >> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Wait, is this you? >> >> https://simonscat.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain >> some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop >> about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking >> to some humans rather than my cat.. >> >> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >> config. >> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on >> this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll >> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if >> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >> it up for you. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's >> monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking >> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to >> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that >> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with >> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about >> them anyway.. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> That's good to know. >> >> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >> >> >> >> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the >> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a >> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on >> most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. >> They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for >> a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to >> be buying a newer chassis. >> >> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger >> chassis, but it generally doe
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
Back in the day we used to lock the programmers in a room, slide pizza under the door, and code would come out. On 10/6/2016 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Something satisfying about being in the “zone” when coding. You have your long list of features and bugs. Crossing them off all day long. The hours fly by and you have a nice sense of satisfaction of building something. Day turns to night and you make yourself stop when you can no longer focus on the screen. *From:* Simon Westlake *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake"mailto:simon@sonar.software To: "af"mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway"mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To:mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message
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We are using Saisei right now. Very similar to Procera but hardware cost is much less because you just purchase a beefy Dell server. Overall cost is less than Procera, especially upfront. We've been very happy with their support team as well with any questions. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > Seisei will be at the show. > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote: > >> Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. >> >> http://saisei.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> >> wrote: >> >>> You've discovered my secret identity >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Wait, is this you? >>> >>> https://simonscat.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain >>> some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop >>> about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking >>> to some humans rather than my cat.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >>> config. >>> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on >>> this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >>> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll >>> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if >>> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >>> it up for you. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's >>> monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking >>> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to >>> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that >>> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with >>> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about >>> them anyway.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> That's good to know. >>> >>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >>> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the >>> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a >>> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, but most of the time it i
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Seisei will be at the show. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: > Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. > > http://saisei.com/ > > > > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> > wrote: > >> You've discovered my secret identity >> >> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Wait, is this you? >> >> https://simonscat.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain >> some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop >> about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking >> to some humans rather than my cat.. >> >> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >> config. >> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on >> this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll >> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if >> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >> it up for you. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's >> monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking >> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to >> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that >> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with >> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about >> them anyway.. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> That's good to know. >> >> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >> >> >> >> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the >> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a >> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> >> >> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on >> most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. >> They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for >> a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to >> be buying a newer chassis. >> >> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger >> chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda >> or Procera or both. >> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support >> contract/license for it? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >&
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Yeah, I much prefer coding to making physical things. I like the ability to experiment, with the only materials wasted being time and coffee. The only part I don't like is the tedium of creating all the boring parts, but I've already built a lot of tools to build forms, tables, and graphs automatically, so I can just focus on the interesting parts. On 10/6/2016 1:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Something satisfying about being in the “zone” when coding. You have your long list of features and bugs. Crossing them off all day long. The hours fly by and you have a nice sense of satisfaction of building something. Day turns to night and you make yourself stop when you can no longer focus on the screen. *From:* Simon Westlake *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake"mailto:simon@sonar.software To: "af"mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway"mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To:mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their lic
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Something satisfying about being in the “zone” when coding. You have your long list of features and bugs. Crossing them off all day long. The hours fly by and you have a nice sense of satisfaction of building something. Day turns to night and you make yourself stop when you can no longer focus on the screen. From: Simon Westlake Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" mailto:simon@sonar.software To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject
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The cat was made up! On 10/6/2016 1:22 PM, Steve wrote: But you have a cat! It must be true. Don't burn out. I saw someone else literally who coded as much as you burn out and have a mental breakdown of epic proportions never to recover. Oh.. Iphone for family - Android for work. Have one of each and your problem is solved. Either way the NSA is watching. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:17:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message ------ From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company eith
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No, that's me :( On Oct 6, 2016 1:13 PM, "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain > some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop > about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start > talking to some humans rather than my cat.. > > On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about > > config. > > I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting > > on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > > <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some > >> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. > >> They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty > >> easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one > >> a shot and I can set it up for you. > >> > >> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people > >>> who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. > >>> -- Original Message -- > >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like > >>>> linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then > >>>> tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem > >>>> with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to > >>>> use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're > >>>> probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. > >>>> > >>>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>>>> That's good to know. > >>>>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? > >>>>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of > >>>>> the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work > >>>>> (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. > >>>>> I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep > >>>>> getting asked about. > >>>>> -- Original Message -- > >>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > >>>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > >>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying > >>>>>> list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the > >>>>>> hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so > >>>>>> as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's > >>>>>> the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer > >>>>>> chassis. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a > >>>>>> bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>>>>>> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with > >>>>>>> Barracuda or Procera or both. > >>>>>>> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support > >>>>>>> contract/license for it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Original Message -- > &g
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But you have a cat! It must be true. Don't burn out. I saw someone else literally who coded as much as you burn out and have a mental breakdown of epic proportions never to recover. Oh.. Iphone for family - Android for work. Have one of each and your problem is solved. Either way the NSA is watching. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:17:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: > Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. > > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain > some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop > about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start > talking to some humans rather than my cat.. > > On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >> config. >> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting >> on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >>> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. >>> They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty >>> easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one >>> a shot and I can set it up for you. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people >>>> who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>>>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like >>>>> linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then >>>>> tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem >>>>> with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to >>>>> use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're >>>>> probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>> That's good to know. >>>>>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >>>>>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of >>>>>> the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work >>>>>> (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. >>>>>> I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep >>>>>> getting asked about. >>>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>>>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>>>>>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying >>>>>>> list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the >>>>>>> hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so >>>>>>> as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's >>>>>>> the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer >>>>>>> chassis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a >>>>>>> bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On
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Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me
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Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about > config. > I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting > on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! > -- Original Message -- > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. >> They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty >> easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one >> a shot and I can set it up for you. >> >> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people >>> who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like >>>> linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then >>>> tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem >>>> with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to >>>> use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're >>>> probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. >>>> >>>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> That's good to know. >>>>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >>>>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of >>>>> the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work >>>>> (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. >>>>> I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep >>>>> getting asked about. >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>>>>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying >>>>>> list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the >>>>>> hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so >>>>>> as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's >>>>>> the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer >>>>>> chassis. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a >>>>>> bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with >>>>>>> Barracuda or Procera or both. >>>>>>> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support >>>>>>> contract/license for it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>>> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>>>>>> To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one >>>>>>>> company, sell it to another company and then
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Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. http://saisei.com/ Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote: > You've discovered my secret identity > > On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Wait, is this you? > > https://simonscat.com/ > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Simon Westlake > *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > > > I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some > illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about > Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to > some humans rather than my cat.. > > On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about > config. > I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on > this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > > > You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some > solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll > send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if > it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set > it up for you. > > On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's > monthly usage exceeds 600GB. > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > > > To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking > together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to > subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that > some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with > little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about > them anyway.. > > On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > That's good to know. > > Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? > > > > I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the > mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the > ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a > $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. > > > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > > > Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on > most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. > They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for > a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to > be buying a newer chassis. > > Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger > chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. > > On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or > Procera or both. > Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support > contract/license for it? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net > <r...@triadwireless.net> > To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > > You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it > to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought > Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Paul Stewart > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Is that because you didn’t have
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
You've discovered my secret identity
On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Wait, is this you?
https://simonscat.com/
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain
some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop
about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start
talking to some humans rather than my cat..
On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff
about config.
I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing
chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man!
-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that,
some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton
of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try
out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me
know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you.
On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more
about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB.
-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in
there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups
to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS
connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is
that some portion of them are smart enough to use a
VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're
probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them
anyway..
On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That's good to know.
Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic?
I've been looking at methods to do that in
Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I
see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the
ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I
don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a
problem I keep getting asked about.
-- Original Message --
From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it.
You end up paying list on most of the
licensing, and they won't support the hardware
if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5
years or so as well (it's still supported for
a while afterwards, but that's the typical
cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a
newer chassis.
Sometimes it's worth buying a used one,
especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it
generally doesn't make sense.
On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I lost track of whether the license
transferal issue was with Barracuda or
Procera or both.
Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then
just buy the support contract/license for it?
-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway"
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net
To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
You can't buy a unit that was original
purchased by one company, sell it to
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Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
Wait, is this you? https://simonscat.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking.
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@
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Would be useless if you want updated signatures in the future. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:44:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell >it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I >bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. > >Rory > >-Original Message- >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart >Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just >curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some >other companies (ie. Cisco) > >> On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>wrote: >> >> And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. >> >> Rory >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM >> To: af >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and >>they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> >> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be >>talking. >> >> Rory >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway >><r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: >> That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. >> >> Rory >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] >>On Behalf Of Steve >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM >> To: af >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to >>start. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Adam Moffett" >><dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs >> >> What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring >>costs? >
Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
I seem to have a strange issue in that my nice controlled environment sites are not at my network edge, since I moved to upstream connections via licensed microwave instead of DS3. And I don’t have the luxury of a fat enough pipe like private fiber to haul all the bandwidth from the network edge to a NOC. So I need a hardened Procera, or HVAC on a couple outdoor cabinets, or to figure out a way to have my upstream(s) host a Procera for me on the other side of my BGP link. Still scratching my head over that. But thinking the Windows 10 Update issues may force me to do something. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Ror
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LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
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You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sona
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Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software/ -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
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To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email:simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
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Barracuda can. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software> Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software<https://sonar.software/>
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That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
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Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
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I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) > On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. > > Rory > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they > charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway > <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: > That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. > > Rory > > -Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) > On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. > > Rory > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they > charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway > <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: > That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. > > Rory > > -Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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If you’re looking at Procera, make sure to check out our Sandvine as a Service we are launching next week at WISPAPALOOZA. Our Monday training & hands on session is full – but we will have a short sales pitch type session on Thursday morning. Come by the booth for a demo. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Ballpark is 17k for one that caps out at a gig. 20% of the purchase price as a yearly support contract (gives you 24x7 support, next day air hardware replacement, and access to firmware and signature updates.) On 10/6/2016 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? >
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That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
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Ballpark is 17k for one that caps out at a gig. 20% of the purchase price as a yearly support contract (gives you 24x7 support, next day air hardware replacement, and access to firmware and signature updates.) On 10/6/2016 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
[AFMUG] Procera costs
What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs?
