[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did not criticize, You said the lied. That seems a tad critical. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > I for one would like to see prooof of that Werner. Anyway anything said before the staggered terms vote is void. The people have spoken. o now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't > > want them to do. > > > > Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there. > > - > > Tommie, Stop right there, don't start with your usual nonsense of attributing things to people > that are just not there. Selective quoting and taking things out of context. I've taken no > position on this. Knock it off. > > They ran on a platform that included change to staggered terms, they didn't do it. End of > story. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Werner, I'm totally in the camp of staggered terms but given that > there was a vote and the people rejected it specifically what would > you have the council do? I disagree with the way people voted but > bottom line that's how people wanted it. I really don't think it's > fair to criticize them for this. It they did it since the vote > they'd be hammered for imposing their will against the will of the > people. That's a no win. >--- Is there something in the water that you and Tommie are drinking? :-) I did not criticize, I did not take a position, I did not request any action. Someone asked about staggered terms, All I did was report the background. Now to answer your question. The Council can do many things that are against the will of the people, A residential development instead of a destination development of the beachfront for example. By law they could change the form of government if they wanted to. With the demonstrated lack of interest by the majority of Asbury Parks residents many things are possible without repercussions. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
Werner, I'm totally in the camp of staggered terms but given that there was a vote and the people rejected it specifically what would you have the council do? I disagree with the way people voted but bottom line that's how people wanted it. I really don't think it's fair to criticize them for this. It they did it since the vote they'd be hammered for imposing their will against the will of the people. That's a no win. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > > > So now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't > > want them to do. > > > > Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there. > > - > > Tommie, Stop right there, don't start with your usual nonsense of attributing things to people > that are just not there. Selective quoting and taking things out of context. I've taken no > position on this. Knock it off. > > They ran on a platform that included change to staggered terms, they didn't do it. End of > story. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't > want them to do. > > Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there. > - Tommie, Stop right there, don't start with your usual nonsense of attributing things to people that are just not there. Selective quoting and taking things out of context. I've taken no position on this. Knock it off. They ran on a platform that included change to staggered terms, they didn't do it. End of story. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
So now you are requesting that the council do what the people don't want them to do. Perhaps, just maybe, you need to rethink you're position there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > Wait just a minute there Mr. Historian. Staggered terms was a > > ballot question about a year ago and the people of Asbury Park voted > > it down. > > > > I think you need to take back the lie comment. > > The ballot issue was the result of citizen action. The council itself > promised to make the change (which it can do) upon being elected to > office. That was the campaign prior to this most recent one. They never > followed through. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone else becasue they see how everything else is being run. in MM eyes, if they had their own area, to do what they want, not having to report to asbury partners, or the city, then theyd be set. right? > Yeah, thats the ticket. We seperate the beachfront from the rest of Asbury Park. Should be easy, its already designed to be a City wthin the City. MM gets complete control like Disney World in Orlando. A seperate City State, walls go up and gates for security. Outsiders will have to pay or show membership ID to enter. Asbury Park becomes land-locked and receives no tax revenue from the new municipality. We even have to pay increased sewer fees since the plant is on their side of the wall. The developers make tons of profits. All is good with redevelopment. Yeah, Yeah, Thats the way to go. Werner :-) <--- big sarcastic smiley Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone else becasue > they see how everything else is being run. in MM eyes, if they had their own area, to do what they want, not having to report to asbury partners, or the city, then theyd be set. right? > --- Yeah, thats the ticket. We seperate the beachfront from the rest of Asbury Park. Should be easy, its already designed to be a City wthin the City. MM gets complete control like Disney World in Orlando. A seperate Ciy State, walls go up and gates for security. Outsiders will have to pay or show membership ID to enter. Asbury Park becomes land-locked and receives no tax revenue from the new municipality. We even have to pay increased sewer fees since the plant is on their side of the wall. The developers make tons of profits. All is good with redevelopment. Yeah, Yeah, Thats the way to go. Werner :-) <--- big sarcastic smiley Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
maybe MM wants to do things on their own, seperate from everyone else becasue they see how everything else is being run. in MM eyes, if they had their own area, to do what they want, not having to report to asbury partners, or the city, then theyd be set. right? - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wait just a minute there Mr. Historian. Staggered terms was a > ballot question about a year ago and the people of Asbury Park voted > it down. > > I think you need to take back the lie comment. The ballot issue was the result of citizen action. The council itself promised to make the change (which it can do) upon being elected to office. That was the campaign prior to this most recent one. They never followed through. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
I don't believe in recalls. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson > > wrote: > > > > > > we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few? > > > > > > They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms. > > Self preservation I assume. Another lie to the public. > > > > Werner > > > > Recall is the only option. Petitions are required. Different numbers > are required is it is not during a general election. Joe D had looked > into this a while ago. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
Wait just a minute there Mr. Historian. Staggered terms was a ballot question about a year ago and the people of Asbury Park voted it down. I think you need to take back the lie comment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson > wrote: > > > > we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few? > > > They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms. > Self preservation I assume. Another lie to the public. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson > wrote: > > > > we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few? > > > They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms. > Self preservation I assume. Another lie to the public. > > Werner > Recall is the only option. Petitions are required. Different numbers are required is it is not during a general election. Joe D had looked into this a while ago. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can't have the public involved in this process. They will scare > the hell out of MM and probaly chase them. MM is scared as hell by the current level of ineptitude already. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] flash back to 99'
thanks werner. yeah, i see all sorts of things in the file section. i havnt been too up to date on checking that stuff out. its intersting to look back at the groups first comments, back in 1999. i was 17. i see a few of the same names, i think, but not many. probably becasue when the group first started, it was greatly composed of people supporting the save tiliie cause. and once that was over, the rest of the waterfront probably wasnt of interest to them. or not as much. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few? They never made good on their promise to institute staggered terms. Self preservation I assume. Another lie to the public. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
we have to wait for 2009 to replace a few? - Original Message From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 4:46:49 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > You can't have the public involved in this process. They will scare the hell out of MM and probaly chase them. The ball will be in the councils hands if they drop it they will be gone in 2009. If the public got involved and it failed the council would still be gone. The deal(s) are not signed. Not with the City and not with Partners. > Know what's holding it up? MM wants the City to guarantee to > schedules in which it will review plans/permits and respond back to > MM if there are problems. MM doesn;t want it chain jerked. Time is > money. MM has drawn a line in the sand. They refuse to do a > presentation or lend their name to anything until they have signed > deals. Based upon Bruno's statements to me, it appears that the City > has also drawn a line in the sand. He told me he told MM to sign > their deal with Fishman and then the City will review what MM wants. > > Are we going to let these elected officials possibly blow this up? > Why is this all being talked in secret? Why not let citizens know > exactly what MM is asking for and get our input if it is fair or not. > > There is NO DEAL as of yet. If there is Fishman won't see a dime > until MM gets its money (and a return) out. > > Partners will certainly violate DRA. Immediately move to arbitration > when violation is official and move to keep the moneys in escrow and > make a new deal with MM. > Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can't have the public involved in this process. They will scare the hell out of MM and probaly chase them. The ball will be in the councils hands if they drop it they will be gone in 2009. If the public got involved and it failed the council would still be gone. The deal(s) are not signed. Not with the City and not with Partners. > Know what's holding it up? MM wants the City to guarantee to > schedules in which it will review plans/permits and respond back to > MM if there are problems. MM doesn;t want it chain jerked. Time is > money. MM has drawn a line in the sand. They refuse to do a > presentation or lend their name to anything until they have signed > deals. Based upon Bruno's statements to me, it appears that the City > has also drawn a line in the sand. He told me he told MM to sign > their deal with Fishman and then the City will review what MM wants. > > Are we going to let these elected officials possibly blow this up? > Why is this all being talked in secret? Why not let citizens know > exactly what MM is asking for and get our input if it is fair or not. > > There is NO DEAL as of yet. If there is Fishman won't see a dime > until MM gets its money (and a return) out. > > Partners will certainly violate DRA. Immediately move to arbitration > when violation is official and move to keep the moneys in escrow and > make a new deal with MM. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "It's a RENDERING, a concept, that means NOTHING. Dan said they want > changes already. They try to make a spectacual Rendering to catch > peoples eyes. I bet whatever you have seen won't look what they > really want." > > where is the rendering? Relax - most everything being discussed is in the files section of this group - including the rendering. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
You can find a small version of that here; http://www.madisonmarquette.com/propertyinvestments/newsdocs/R-Asbury.PDF --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "It's a RENDERING, a concept, that means NOTHING. Dan said they want > changes already. They try to make a spectacual Rendering to catch > peoples eyes. I bet whatever you have seen won't look what they > really want." > > where is the rendering? > > > - > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Madison Marquette Mexican Standoff - Let Citizens Know What They Want
The deal(s) are not signed. Not with the City and not with Partners. Know what's holding it up? MM wants the City to guarantee to schedules in which it will review plans/permits and respond back to MM if there are problems. MM doesn;t want it chain jerked. Time is money. MM has drawn a line in the sand. They refuse to do a presentation or lend their name to anything until they have signed deals. Based upon Bruno's statements to me, it appears that the City has also drawn a line in the sand. He told me he told MM to sign their deal with Fishman and then the City will review what MM wants. Are we going to let these elected officials possibly blow this up? Why is this all being talked in secret? Why not let citizens know exactly what MM is asking for and get our input if it is fair or not. There is NO DEAL as of yet. If there is Fishman won't see a dime until MM gets its money (and a return) out. Partners will certainly violate DRA. Immediately move to arbitration when violation is official and move to keep the moneys in escrow and make a new deal with MM. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
"It's a RENDERING, a concept, that means NOTHING. Dan said they want changes already. They try to make a spectacual Rendering to catch peoples eyes. I bet whatever you have seen won't look what they really want." where is the rendering? - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think there is a Oct. 2007 deadline. > You are the one that picks apart ever sentence of a post. You're right, it's June 2007. Here's the link to the DRA in the files section if you don;t know how to get to it on your own. This is for the Casino (Arcade section), Schedule C. Schedule A is for the 5th Ave Pavillion. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0ODMRXpnp9zq4P5fw3w_vUtHjdh2xoHKMleSxgduV2v E_JZRn3- 1n112iV45__NXUX6Cos3UbrdwIET1IJSIUANHuobY/DisputeResolutionAgreement.pdf > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think there is a Oct. 2007 deadline. You are the one that picks apart ever sentence of a post. That's the problem the City didn't want any work done on the > building > > during the summer. They wanted to keep the stores open. That's why > its > > a two phase deal. That wasn't the Partners idea. > > > I never accused the city of genius. Yes, but that was when? You > should be able to do it between Labor and Memorial Day. > > The Dispute Resolution Agreement is dated April 10, 2006. That is > when it was final, but even taking that date, you should be ready to > go with construction on the day after Labor Day. WHen I said no > stores during the summer, I meant this summer in order to be able to > meet the october 2007 deadline, which I think is very difficult to > do. Stop picking apart things. What is at issue is that Partners did > not, and obviously cannot, live up to the DRA with regard to the 5th > Ave pavillion, and I suspect most of the other elements as well. > Isn;t the Casino to have a new roof by October 2007 as well? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But that's not how Asbury Partners want it. > But that is the only way MM wants it I suspect. Recall my post from a couple of weeks ago where I aksed if Partners got enough religion now to accept what MM offers? That is what has held up the deal and the obligations under the DRA. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's the problem the City didn't want any work done on the building > during the summer. They wanted to keep the stores open. That's why its > a two phase deal. That wasn't the Partners idea. > I never accused the city of genius. Yes, but that was when? You should be able to do it between Labor and Memorial Day. The Dispute Resolution Agreement is dated April 10, 2006. That is when it was final, but even taking that date, you should be ready to go with construction on the day after Labor Day. WHen I said no stores during the summer, I meant this summer in order to be able to meet the october 2007 deadline, which I think is very difficult to do. Stop picking apart things. What is at issue is that Partners did not, and obviously cannot, live up to the DRA with regard to the 5th Ave pavillion, and I suspect most of the other elements as well. Isn;t the Casino to have a new roof by October 2007 as well? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's a RENDERING, a concept, that means NOTHING. Dan said they want changes already. They try to make a spectacual Rendering to catch peoples eyes. I bet whatever you have seen won't look what they really want. If the design created by MM goes thru, then Asbury is going to look just like a million other > boring, faceless and homogenized properties in our country. Safe, cultureless, boring. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard wrote: > > > > "The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, concrete plazas fill > > the beachfront, .." > > > > werner, is the rendering online? do you have a link? i think ive seen it before, but not > sure if its the same one your talking about? the oen that shows a "Cuvey" boardwalk? > > > > > > - > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
If the design created by MM goes thru, then Asbury is going to look just like a million other boring, faceless and homogenized properties in our country. Safe, cultureless, boring. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, > concrete plazas fill > the beachfront, .." > > werner, is the rendering online? do you have a link? i think ive seen it > before, but not sure if its the same one your talking about? the oen that shows a "Cuvey" boardwalk? > > > - > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
"The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, concrete plazas fill the beachfront, .." werner, is the rendering online? do you have a link? i think ive seen it before, but not sure if its the same one your talking about? the oen that shows a "Cuvey" boardwalk? - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > But that's not how Asbury Partners want it. What makes you think they will have "full control" ? The press > release of last year indicated > > a partnership with Asbury Partners. Did it not? I'll try to find it. > Also the main goal is not > > for them to "start making money". > > Partners will not see a dime until investment and preferred return is > seen by MM. That's how I would structure the deal. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Jimbo
Scott G. Bullock, a senior institute attorney, said in a prepared release that the brief explains "why Long Branch's outrageous land grab" is unconstitutional. The institute also maintains that city attorneys with financial conflicts of interest tainted the redevelopment process, an allegation earlier denied by City Attorney James G. Aaron, who could not be reached for comment Thursday. "The evidence shows that Long Branch cut corners, ignored the law and flouted the Constitution," said Jeff Rowes, an institute attorney, in the release. "It is time for the appellate court to hold the city accountable." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > That's the problem the City didn't want any work done on the building during the summer. They wanted to keep the stores open. That's why its a two phase deal. That wasn't the Partners idea. I'll tell you this if they don't get permits by March 1 there will be > > NOWAY to get it done. They would have to work day and night. Let's > > hope MM is in control of the job. > > > > MM could only do it if the plans, funding are all in place and agreed > to right now and the place is closed for the summer. Then maybe, and > that is a big maybe, that the first floor could get done by October, > but I doubt it. Done as was the original intent. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What makes you think they will have "full control" ? The press release of last year indicated > a partnership with Asbury Partners. Did it not? I'll try to find it. Also the main goal is not > for them to "start making money". Partners will not see a dime until investment and preferred return is seen by MM. That's how I would structure the deal. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
If the is the case they must be concerned to have a hotel that would compete with the Berk. Remember they thought they would own it. - Original Message From: dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 2:21:21 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arhythmick" wrote: > > > Believe me...I am just as worried about Partners and the timing of the > waterfront as you are. > > What do you make of Maureen's Council meeting report that Bruno claims > the deal between Partners and MM is done? I thought there would be a > "big" announcement when that happened. Maybe it was quietly signed? > I have been out of touch so I don;t know if they have signed yet or not. I would expect a big announcement as well. After the last council meeting bruno told me that mm told him they wouldn't sign with Partners until the city agreed to some changes in the plan (that was new to me). The changes included allowing a higher height limit for a proposed hotel (I assume by the Casino). Bruno intimated that MM said 8 stories won't cut it. Assuming this is true, all I can say is that if the city took as tough a stance with Partners over the past 4-5 years as it appears it is with mm, maybe we would be a little farther along or not in this mess at all. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll tell you this if they don't get permits by March 1 there will be > NOWAY to get it done. They would have to work day and night. Let's > hope MM is in control of the job. > MM could only do it if the plans, funding are all in place and agreed to right now and the place is closed for the summer. Then maybe, and that is a big maybe, that the first floor could get done by October, but I doubt it. Done as was the original intent. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson > wrote: > > > > I'll tell you this if they don't get permits by March 1 there will be NOWAY to get it done. They would have to work day and night. Let's hope MM is in control of the job. I suggested slapping on paint? The 1st floor renovations could be > completed in a rather short period. I did not mean only paint. If > they were now to pick out materials, permits etc. They could renovate > the 1st floor in the spring and be ready for summer. I would think > temporary repairs would be needed for the 2nd floor in order to > protect the 1st. Where the time would be needed is when they do the > 2nd floor since they may change the roof. > > > > Do you see the design that wowed over the council as a whole a while > back ago? You think they can do that for the first floor in 2-3 > months? Maybe if it was an episode of the Extreme Makeover, and even > then doubtful, certainly not with the performance we've seen in the > past. The second floor has to be supported by the ground floor. Don't > build a house on a foundation of sand. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am hoping that once MM signs the deal and gets full control over the > waterfront retail, they will see the value in restoring these buildings > quickly in order to get their tenants in quickly and start making > money... > > But, when...when...when... > They see some inherent value here or they still would not be interested. However, the numbers they were initially given for restoration (from Fishman) are in orbit. In any event, it is not a sure thing to make a decent return with just the retail. That is why it was the quid pro quo for being able to sell off or develop the residential land. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we all could agree on that. It would be better to do the building all at once. You will have to take that up with the counsilmen they created this timeline. > The redevelopment subcommittee - Bruno and Johnson. I don't necessarily dismiss phased construction. Nor do I think that a year for each is too quick. Quite frankly, I think the whole thing could be done in one year if you wanted to. It is a very small building. The problem is you can't, probably no one, in 8 months, a couple of which might preclude the puring of concrete. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suggested slapping on paint? The 1st floor renovations could be completed in a rather short period. I did not mean only paint. If they were now to pick out materials, permits etc. They could renovate the 1st floor in the spring and be ready for summer. I would think temporary repairs would be needed for the 2nd floor in order to protect the 1st. Where the time would be needed is when they do the 2nd floor since they may change the roof. > Do you see the design that wowed over the council as a whole a while back ago? You think they can do that for the first floor in 2-3 months? Maybe if it was an episode of the Extreme Makeover, and even then doubtful, certainly not with the performance we've seen in the past. The second floor has to be supported by the ground floor. Don't build a house on a foundation of sand. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They still have time. First floor renovation probably 2 or 3 months? We are not talking about knocking down the structure. New electric, plumbing etc. They could easily get that done before the summer. The 2nd floor would require more time due to plans needed to change the structure. No way. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" > wrote: > > > > > > > It's done but not signed. Because the City still has a few issues. If it's not signed, it's not done. No obligations. Walk away. Really unprofessional of them to say it's done when in fact it's not. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > wrote: > > > > That's fair. But it really doesn't make a difference because some > people on this Board will continue to blast whatever happens with it. > No back pedaling. I want MM to come in and succeed. I just want the truth. I'm a grown up and I can take it. People need to start telling the truth in this city. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Believe me...I am just as worried about Partners and the timing of the > waterfront as you are. > > What do you make of Maureen's Council meeting report that Bruno claims > the deal between Partners and MM is done? I thought there would be a > "big" announcement when that happened. Maybe it was quietly signed? > I have been out of touch so I don;t know if they have signed yet or not. I would expect a big announcement as well. After the last council meeting bruno told me that mm told him they wouldn't sign with Partners until the city agreed to some changes in the plan (that was new to me). The changes included allowing a higher height limit for a proposed hotel (I assume by the Casino). Bruno intimated that MM said 8 stories won't cut it. Assuming this is true, all I can say is that if the city took as tough a stance with Partners over the past 4-5 years as it appears it is with mm, maybe we would be a little farther along or not in this mess at all. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic
Rolemover Act This is funny - Original Message From: Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 1:21:31 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic I have no criminal record, so please still your lieing tongue. I also would like to thank those who did come out to support me last night in freezing temps. WE had a grand time. I will be doing this throughout the district so try to get out to one and talk with me. Also I introduced 2 pieces of legislative ideas I would work towards when elected. First is "Plain Language" Legislation act. Simple put if a lay person doesn's understand it, it is no good and must be translated. The second was what I call the "Rolemover Act" - Simply put to be able to retrieve the identity of malicious internet users, and charge them with a 2c crime when they lie online in a public forum about someone's character and nature. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
Yes, I see your point and I agree. My original point was about the discussion over the 5th ave pavillion and doing one floor per year. Recognizing that MM is in this for the profit not the altruism I am hoping that they will see the economic value to fixing up the pavillion immediately instead of on some ridiculous 2-step timetable. That is all I meant --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" arhythmick@ wrote: > > > Of course the goal is for them to start making > > money...what else would it be? > > > The purpose of redevelopment is to repair a damaged community. To > better the opportunities and quality of life for the taxpayers and > residents. To "make the City whole again". That is the goal. > > Profit to the developers is secondary to the public purpose for which > redevelopment was created. Certainly profit is needed to make things > move forward. A good plan would address both public and private needs, > however the prime beneficiary is supposed to be the community. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course the goal is for them to start making > money...what else would it be? The purpose of redevelopment is to repair a damaged community. To better the opportunities and quality of life for the taxpayers and residents. To "make the City whole again". That is the goal. Profit to the developers is secondary to the public purpose for which redevelopment was created. Certainly profit is needed to make things move forward. A good plan would address both public and private needs, however the prime beneficiary is supposed to be the community. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic
I have no criminal record, so please still your lieing tongue. I also would like to thank those who did come out to support me last night in freezing temps. WE had a grand time. I will be doing this throughout the district so try to get out to one and talk with me. Also I introduced 2 pieces of legislative ideas I would work towards when elected. First is "Plain Language" Legislation act. Simple put if a lay person doesn's understand it, it is no good and must be translated. The second was what I call the "Rolemover Act" - Simply put to be able to retrieve the identity of malicious internet users, and charge them with a 2c crime when they lie online in a public forum about someone's character and nature. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
I say full control because I believe that is part of what is holding things up...didn't someone on this board who claimed to be in the know say that the holdup was because MM did not want to share the retail with AP? That they are the experts and therefore wanted to control the retail if they are going to make the investments which I have heard is up to $150M. Of course the goal is for them to start making money...what else would it be? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" arhythmick@ wrote: > > > > > > I am hoping that once MM signs the deal and gets full control over the > > waterfront retail, they will see the value in restoring these buildings > > quickly in order to get their tenants in quickly and start making > > money... > > > > But, when...when...when... > > What makes you think they will have "full control" ? The press release of last year indicated > a partnership with Asbury Partners. Did it not? I'll try to find it. Also the main goal is not > for them to "start making money". > > In all lkelyhood its the conditions being requested by A-Partners that's holding this all up. > My main concern continues to be the lack of openess in these most significant > discussions. More significant than the residential developments. > > What, EXACTLY, is the Public going to get? What will the impact be on the Oceanfront? > What will the benefits be to all of Asbury Park? How will the adverse impact on our > National historic sites be minimized. > > The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, concrete plazas fill > the beachfront, .. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am hoping that once MM signs the deal and gets full control over the > waterfront retail, they will see the value in restoring these buildings > quickly in order to get their tenants in quickly and start making > money... > > But, when...when...when... What makes you think they will have "full control" ? The press release of last year indicated a partnership with Asbury Partners. Did it not? I'll try to find it. Also the main goal is not for them to "start making money". In all lkelyhood its the conditions being requested by A-Partners that's holding this all up. My main concern continues to be the lack of openess in these most significant discussions. More significant than the residential developments. What, EXACTLY, is the Public going to get? What will the impact be on the Oceanfront? What will the benefits be to all of Asbury Park? How will the adverse impact on our National historic sites be minimized. The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, concrete plazas fill the beachfront, .. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
I am hoping that once MM signs the deal and gets full control over the waterfront retail, they will see the value in restoring these buildings quickly in order to get their tenants in quickly and start making money... But, when...when...when... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree too. Two phases is absolutely stupid... > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wernerapnj@ wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > Forgive my ignorance, but yesterday I read somewhere on here that > 1 floor of the pavillion > > > would be completed one year, and the second the following year > according to the plan. Is > > > that correct? If so, that's just plain ridiculous. > > > > > > Hinge, I agree and just posted my evaluation. But that's the deal > that was made. > > > > Werner > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
I think we all could agree on that. It would be better to do the building all at once. You will have to take that up with the counsilmen they created this timeline. - Original Message From: asburycouple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 12:05:04 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion I agree too. Two phases is absolutely stupid... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > Forgive my ignorance, but yesterday I read somewhere on here that 1 floor of the pavillion > > would be completed one year, and the second the following year according to the plan. Is > > that correct? If so, that's just plain ridiculous. > > > Hinge, I agree and just posted my evaluation. But that's the deal that was made. > > Werner > Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
I agree too. Two phases is absolutely stupid... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > Forgive my ignorance, but yesterday I read somewhere on here that 1 floor of the pavillion > > would be completed one year, and the second the following year according to the plan. Is > > that correct? If so, that's just plain ridiculous. > > > Hinge, I agree and just posted my evaluation. But that's the deal that was made. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance, but yesterday I read somewhere on here that 1 floor of > the pavillion > would be completed one year, and the second the following year according to > the plan. Is > that correct? If so, that's just plain ridiculous. Hinge, I agree and just posted my evaluation. But that's the deal that was made. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suggested slapping on paint? The 1st floor renovations could be completed > in a rather short period. I did not mean only paint. If they were now to pick out materials, permits etc. They could renovate the 1st floor in the spring and be ready for summer. I would think temporary repairs would be needed for the 2nd floor in order to protect the 1st. Where the time would be needed is when they do the 2nd floor since they may change the roof. > No, I suggested that they would just slap on paint. Don't get defensive now. The entire idea of a 2 phase (1st floor,2nd floor) restoration is just asking for problems. The building is an integrated unit. Do you realize that the sloped concrete bandshell seating area (the roof) is also the interior ceiling of the 1st floor storefronts. It would be much more prudent to Rehabilitate the entire building in one shot. Yes, sure they can get the 1st floor working by the summer, they have had storefronts there for several seasons already. That does not equate to restoring the building. My conclusion is that the extended and phased restoration agreement is just to buy them time since a comprehensive restoration will impact the entire building and render the 1st floor unusable. Sure storefronts this summer, just as in the past, perhaps a new operator for the former HoJo space. But no significant capital investment to actually restore the building. That's my prediction, I hope I'm wrong. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
Forgive my ignorance, but yesterday I read somewhere on here that 1 floor of the pavillion would be completed one year, and the second the following year according to the plan. Is that correct? If so, that's just plain ridiculous. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suggested slapping on paint? The 1st floor renovations could be completed > in a rather short period. I did not mean only paint. If they were now to pick out materials, permits etc. They could renovate the 1st floor in the spring and be ready for summer. I would think temporary repairs would be needed for the 2nd floor in order to protect the 1st. Where the time would be needed is when they do the 2nd floor since they may change the roof. > > > - Original Message > From: wernerapnj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 10:21:21 AM > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson wrote: > > > > They still have time. First floor renovation probably 2 or 3 months? We are > > not talking > about knocking down the structure. New electric, plumbing etc. They could > easily get that > done before the summer. The 2nd floor would require more time due to plans > needed to > change the structure. > > > > Allan, > > Structural repairs, Resoration of the exterior, Paint removal etc, Windows, > Doors, The entire > roof surface (bandshell area), Rest rooms, Kitchen facilities, ADA > requirements. etc etc. > > I suspect they will slap on yet another coat of paint, repair some utilities > as you suggest and > declare they have met the intent of the agreement. > > Werner > > > > > > > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
I suggested slapping on paint? The 1st floor renovations could be completed in a rather short period. I did not mean only paint. If they were now to pick out materials, permits etc. They could renovate the 1st floor in the spring and be ready for summer. I would think temporary repairs would be needed for the 2nd floor in order to protect the 1st. Where the time would be needed is when they do the 2nd floor since they may change the roof. - Original Message From: wernerapnj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 10:21:21 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson wrote: > > They still have time. First floor renovation probably 2 or 3 months? We are > not talking about knocking down the structure. New electric, plumbing etc. They could easily get that done before the summer. The 2nd floor would require more time due to plans needed to change the structure. > Allan, Structural repairs, Resoration of the exterior, Paint removal etc, Windows, Doors, The entire roof surface (bandshell area), Rest rooms, Kitchen facilities, ADA requirements. etc etc. I suspect they will slap on yet another coat of paint, repair some utilities as you suggest and declare they have met the intent of the agreement. Werner Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
You're right, there are people who will blast it regardless of what it actually is, and others who will support it regardless. But there are also a great many people like myself who are open-minded and will judge on the merits. But I increasingly find myself moving to the skeptical side as I feel others probably are too. Over the past several years I've just heard so many concrete promises only to find the actual facts, agreements and actions are really set in jello. There's only so many missed commitments and over promises that a reasonable person can take and not become skeptical of everything they hear. It's a shame. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > wrote: > > > > That's fair. But it really doesn't make a difference because some > people on this Board will continue to blast whatever happens with it. > > > > > > > If it's not signed, it's not done. period. Let's call it what it > is - > > still pending many months after it was presented as imminent. > When > > it's signed lets start calling it a done deal. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's done but not signed. Because the City still has a few issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They still have time. First floor renovation probably 2 or 3 months? We are > not talking about knocking down the structure. New electric, plumbing etc. They could easily get that done before the summer. The 2nd floor would require more time due to plans needed to change the structure. > Allan, Structural repairs, Resoration of the exterior, Paint removal etc, Windows, Doors, The entire roof surface (bandshell area), Rest rooms, Kitchen facilities, ADA requirements. etc etc. I suspect they will slap on yet another coat of paint, repair some utilities as you suggest and declare they have met the intent of the agreement. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: HELP THE PAL!
You can send a donation to Officer April Bird, APPD, 1 Municipal Plaza, Asbury Park, New Jerey 07712. If you are going to do that, I hope you will take the tickets and give them away. I'd like to see a nice head count at the Wnder bar. Thanks so much for your help. Tommy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > > If you can't make it. Who do you make donations too. > > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > Advanced ticket sales are a tad slow for the fundraiser for the > Asbury > > Park PAL Boxing Program next friday night (Febrary 16, 6pm to 9pm) > at > > the Wonder Bar. I'm trying to raise at least enough money to buy > the > > city the $6,000.00 boxing ring, plus a bit more money. > > > > I need to give a head count to the caterer. If you are planning to > > come (I hope you will) can you drop me an email and let me know? > > > > Please use DeSeno@ > > > > Thanks a bunch. > > > > Tommy > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
They still have time. First floor renovation probably 2 or 3 months? We are not talking about knocking down the structure. New electric, plumbing etc. They could easily get that done before the summer. The 2nd floor would require more time due to plans needed to change the structure. - Original Message From: dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2007 11:20:30 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arhythmick" wrote: > > > Are you sure you read the Coaster article correctly? > > I thought the October timing referred to the Casino not the 5th ave > Pavillion... > > Point taken, but who knows? The article is about 5th Ave pavillion but you'r right, that comes right after discussing the Casino. But even if its about the Casino, then when do they do the improvements to 5th Ave which are to be done (1st floor) by October? Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[AsburyPark] More Nonsense - Madison M.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's fair. But it really doesn't make a difference because some > people on this Board will continue to blast whatever happens with it. > I fear that this MM deal is going the same route as the A-Partners deal. Negotiations, deal making, contracts - all behind closed doors, out of Public view. Then the big announcemrnt "We ave a Deal". This is what we're doing, If we are lucky the Public will be asked - "What do you think". (not likely) Perhaps the Public will be allowed comment, critiques and recommendations for improvements. All of which will be declared as "anti-redevelopment", "obstructionist", "holding the city back", etc. Finally - Thank you for your comments but we have a contract and if we try to change the "Deal" there may be litigation so we have to stay the course. Another cart-before-the-horse, Dealing before Planning? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: HELP THE PAL!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you can't make it. Who do you make donations too. Hey folks, > > Advanced ticket sales are a tad slow for the fundraiser for the Asbury > Park PAL Boxing Program next friday night (Febrary 16, 6pm to 9pm) at > the Wonder Bar. I'm trying to raise at least enough money to buy the > city the $6,000.00 boxing ring, plus a bit more money. > > I need to give a head count to the caterer. If you are planning to > come (I hope you will) can you drop me an email and let me know? > > Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks a bunch. > > Tommy > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's fair. But it really doesn't make a difference because some people on this Board will continue to blast whatever happens with it. If it's not signed, it's not done. period. Let's call it what it is - > still pending many months after it was presented as imminent. When > it's signed lets start calling it a done deal. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's done but not signed. Because the City still has a few issues. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] HELP THE PAL!
Hey folks, Advanced ticket sales are a tad slow for the fundraiser for the Asbury Park PAL Boxing Program next friday night (Febrary 16, 6pm to 9pm) at the Wonder Bar. I'm trying to raise at least enough money to buy the city the $6,000.00 boxing ring, plus a bit more money. I need to give a head count to the caterer. If you are planning to come (I hope you will) can you drop me an email and let me know? Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks a bunch. Tommy Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
If it's not signed, it's not done. period. Let's call it what it is - still pending many months after it was presented as imminent. When it's signed lets start calling it a done deal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" > wrote: > > > > > > > It's done but not signed. Because the City still has a few issues. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's done but not signed. Because the City still has a few issues. Believe me...I am just as worried about Partners and the timing of the > waterfront as you are. > > What do you make of Maureen's Council meeting report that Bruno claims > the deal between Partners and MM is done? I thought there would be a > "big" announcement when that happened. Maybe it was quietly signed? > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" arhythmick@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you sure you read the Coaster article correctly? > > > > > > I thought the October timing referred to the Casino not the 5th ave > > > Pavillion... > > > > > > > > Point taken, but who knows? The article is about 5th Ave pavillion but > > you'r right, that comes right after discussing the Casino. But even if > > its about the Casino, then when do they do the improvements to 5th Ave > > which are to be done (1st floor) by October? > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin, > > Unless it's true. I guess if he ran as a Repulican we would find out.At a cost of $1,000. This is pretty blatant slander. I hope you get a subpoena to get > his identity from yahoo and sue the crap out of him. > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rolemover" wrote: > > > > do you really think that we are going to elect a convicted felon > to > > senate? how many time have you been to jail fake rev? what ever > > happened to that girl you raped that disappeared? you should be > > locked up in the big house you loony... > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseykev@ wrote: > > > > > > This is just a reminder that I will be kicking off my > Independent > > Campaign > > > for State Senate of the Eleventh District tonight at 7 PM. It > will > > be > > > informal and an opportunity to just chat about what concerns you. > > > > > > Place: The Adriatic on Kingsley in Asbury Park. > > > > > > Everyone is welcome. > > > > > > Kevin Brown > > > > > > NEWS AND INFORMATION WITH A UNIQUE TWIST > > > The Brown Report on the Electric News > > > weeknights a 7 est._www.electricnews.com_ > > (http://www.electricnews.com/) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: More Nonsense - 5th Ave Pavillion
Believe me...I am just as worried about Partners and the timing of the waterfront as you are. What do you make of Maureen's Council meeting report that Bruno claims the deal between Partners and MM is done? I thought there would be a "big" announcement when that happened. Maybe it was quietly signed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" arhythmick@ wrote: > > > > > > Are you sure you read the Coaster article correctly? > > > > I thought the October timing referred to the Casino not the 5th ave > > Pavillion... > > > > > Point taken, but who knows? The article is about 5th Ave pavillion but > you'r right, that comes right after discussing the Casino. But even if > its about the Casino, then when do they do the improvements to 5th Ave > which are to be done (1st floor) by October? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] " Black Folks"to Get Jobs.
INTENT: 20% of work force from Asbury CONCERN: How much will be affordable housing? Residents seek jobs in Springwood project Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/9/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU ASBURY PARK Job opportunities for city residents are a top concern of people telling city officials what they think of plans to redevelop the faded Springwood Avenue corridor into new homes, businesses, parks and entertainment. The Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee held two sessions for the public on Tuesday and will hold a third at 10 a.m. Saturday at the Asbury Park Transportation Center. A fourth meeting for the public is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Thursday at Sisters Academy, Springwood and Ridgewood avenues. The plan was first unveiled at the end of November. On Tuesday night, a small turnout of residents mixed with city officials and committee members to discuss the plan at the Asbury Park Village meeting room. A separate meeting for the public had been held earlier that day at Brookdale Community College's Higher Education Center downtown. "What we want this plan to do is to offer the community hope, and that the community can be a part of it," said City Councilman Jim Keady, a co-chairman with Councilman Ed Johnson of the Springwood Avenue committee. The city intends for the rebuilding of Springwood to see, at the least, a requirement that 20 percent of the workers and 20 percent of materials be from Asbury Park. That was not a requirement for the work on the waterfront, but rather the waterfront developers had to make a "best effort" attempt to meet the 20 percent benchmark for local labor and materials. "My dream scenario is to have job training here on the west side as part of it," Johnson said. A second concern is how much of the new housing on Springwood will be affordable housing. The city has said at a minimum it will be 20 percent, but it likely will be more. According to language in the plan, the committee's goal is to "advance a sustainable community model, which will include job opportunities, housing, entertainment, recreation, transportation, business development and a partnership with a developer who shares the committee's vision for job opportunities and skills education." The Rev. John Bradley, a Neptune minister who is president of the Neptune-Asbury Park Ministerial Alliance, brought up several concerns at the Tuesday night session. They included jobs for residents and former offenders, and whether jobs should be restricted to residents only from the west side. City officials said limiting those who could get jobs to only the immediate Springwood Avenue area was unlikely to work. City officials said the city's work force and employment program, Asbury Works, is working hard on those issues. "We're talking about putting black folks to work," Keady said at one point. Someone from the audience said: "No, not black, poor." City Manager Terence Reidy said that unlike the city's waterfront plan, the Springwood plan encourages small groups and investors, which means participation of Asbury residents can be higher. Hazel Samuels, the city's director of community development, said work force training is in place with the city's Asbury Works employment program but that there is a need to make sure residents can meet requirements to have a driver's license and pass a urine test for drugs. "You can't show up today and not show up tomorrow," Samuels added. Samuels and Keady pushed to get the city's churches more involved to help bring life back to Springwood. Keady said he would suggest that Bradley go on the board of the city's Asbury Works program. He also asked that the ministers find volunteers in their churches to help the West Side Community Center, which is just off Springwood Avenue but not part of the avenue's redevelopment plan. The center needs funding. When the public sessions end next week, the committee will review comments and work to deliver the plan to the council for approval before it goes to the city Planning Board for review. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic
Kevin, This is pretty blatant slander. I hope you get a subpoena to get his identity from yahoo and sue the crap out of him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rolemover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > do you really think that we are going to elect a convicted felon to > senate? how many time have you been to jail fake rev? what ever > happened to that girl you raped that disappeared? you should be > locked up in the big house you loony... > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseykev@ wrote: > > > > This is just a reminder that I will be kicking off my Independent > Campaign > > for State Senate of the Eleventh District tonight at 7 PM. It will > be > > informal and an opportunity to just chat about what concerns you. > > > > Place: The Adriatic on Kingsley in Asbury Park. > > > > Everyone is welcome. > > > > Kevin Brown > > > > NEWS AND INFORMATION WITH A UNIQUE TWIST > > The Brown Report on the Electric News > > weeknights a 7 est._www.electricnews.com_ > (http://www.electricnews.com/) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tonight At The Adriatic
Kevin, This is pretty blatant slander. I hope you get a subpoena to get his identity from yahoo and sue the crap out of him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rolemover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > do you really think that we are going to elect a convicted felon to > senate? how many time have you been to jail fake rev? what ever > happened to that girl you raped that disappeared? you should be > locked up in the big house you loony... > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseykev@ wrote: > > > > This is just a reminder that I will be kicking off my Independent > Campaign > > for State Senate of the Eleventh District tonight at 7 PM. It will > be > > informal and an opportunity to just chat about what concerns you. > > > > Place: The Adriatic on Kingsley in Asbury Park. > > > > Everyone is welcome. > > > > Kevin Brown > > > > NEWS AND INFORMATION WITH A UNIQUE TWIST > > The Brown Report on the Electric News > > weeknights a 7 est._www.electricnews.com_ > (http://www.electricnews.com/) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] 5th Ave Pavilion Timeline
For anyone who is interested: - Specifically identified in the redevelopment plan as a significant historic asset worth preserving and restoring. Immediate structural evaluation recommended. - Building is "whitewashed" along with all the other pavilions. I make some calls, both a TRC member and Councilwoman are extremely upset with this. - The whitewashing is finished and cartoon murals of fake storefronts are painted on the building along with fake shoppers. - Parts of the exterior ramps and walkways begin to fall off. The recommened structural evaluation was never done to the best of my knowledge. - All the remaining exterior walkways are demolished. - A plan is presented to demolish the southern portion (bandshell) of the building to construct retail and office space. The plan does not allow office space. - Argument is made that the "Howard Johnsons" is being saved and that satisfies the Plan. (word was that Asbury Partners wanted to move their offices to the 'new' office space and demolish the 4th Ave Pavilion) - I circulate a letter with details from the plan confirming: - The entire building is to be restored, Office space is not a permitted use. The bandshell is to be retained. (see the files section) - The Preservation Committee is formed around this issue. I point out the requirements of the Plan. legal representation is retained and letters are sent to the Council. - A "Save The Bandshell" postcard campaign is initiated by the Preservation Committee. Hundreds of cards are received by the City Manager. - The Council holds off endorsing the office space idea and rejects forwarding it to the Planning Board. Guess they finally realized it violated the Plan. - The building is repainted in "Asbury Partners Colors" with the addition of Purple on the boarded up windows. - The dispute resolution agreement is entered into: - Paint to be removed from brickwork, a restoration plan is to be formulated and the entire building preserved and rehabilitated. - Howard Johnsons is gutted with the original 1960s furnishings and fixtures disposed of. (I need to confirm this - will have a look over there tomorrow) - Bids were to have been awarded by October 06. Entire first floor to be done by June 07. The Plan recommended restoration and preservation of this significant historic asset of Asbury Park 5 years ago. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
