Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Results ?
Wouldn't it be nice if the historic lifeguard station was moved to AP beach as a new boardwalk pavillion destinantion?? Oh, wait, I forgot - AP can't maintain the historic structures they have - it would probably rot into the ocean... In a message dated 4/25/2007 11:04:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh excuse me... Judge Alexander Lehrer As for my campaign for State Senate, it's going to be even better when you all read about how Sean Kean broke the law today. Officials' tour of Long Branch beach club called illegal Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 04/25/07 BY CAROL GORGA WILLIAMS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU LONG BRANCH — Community leaders, a historian, politicians and Monmouth County officials who focus on property acquisition, came to the Takanassee Beach Club today to spread the word about the need to preserve the historically relevant site. But, as it turns out, neither the officials nor the media, had any right to be on the Ocean Avenue property which is the focus of a family dispute. Harry V. Osborne II, a lawyer who represents Ginger Peters, a one- third owner of the property, and Jerold L. Zaro, who represents the contract-purchaser, Takanassee Developers LLC, said the developer has a lease for the property and only he can give permission to enter the site. It is very disturbing and disturbing to hear of this tour, especially by two lawmakers,'' said Zaro. ...They are law makers,'' he said of Kean and Unger. They shouldn't be law breakers.'' The beach club has been owned by the Peters family for generations. Sister Ginger Peters and her brother Christopher wanted to sell the valuable oceanfront land, while brother J. Scott Peters did not, although he ultimately signed the sale contract, saying he felt forced to by Superior Court Judge Alexander D. Lehrer. Since news of the pending sale was disclosed and Takanassee Developers, whose principal is Isaac Chera, revealed plans to build 21 homes there, Kean and Unger have been championing plans to preserve the 4.9-acre site which contains three buildings that were once used by the U.S. Lifesaving Service, a precursor to the U.S Coast Guard. It is one of the few remaining sites in the country with this heritage said New Jersey Historian Frank Esposito, who attended the tour. Kean initially said he would introduce legislation to fund the $14 million purchase, although the legislator said today he did not feel it necessary to go through with the legislation, given the fact that administrators of the state's Coastal Area Facility Review Act are taking a dim view of Chera's proposal. Unger said he believes the city could operate the club as a municipal beach club, as such operations are conducted in nearby municipalities. He said a formal study has not been made. Some things in a society are more important than economics,'' Unger said. Sometimes we put economic considerations first and we act as if they trump all other considerations'if they trump a case, there would be no Central Park, there would be no Island Beach State Park...Takanassee trumps all economic considerations.St Both Unger and Kean believe that if Chera fails to get his CAFRA permit, he could walk away from the land, and the state, in partnership with the county and the municipality, could pick up the oceanfront parcel for between five and $10 million. The state Green Acres fund would provide 75 percent of that. But Zaro said that is not realistic. (Osborne said the $14 million price being bandied about is incorrect. Chera is offering the Peters $16 million for the property.) I think these two gentlemen are latecomers to the situation,'' said Osborne, of Unger, who was elected to City Council in November, and Kean, who is seeking election to the state Senate. ...I just don't know where they are going to come up with the money. As far as I know, the mayor has no intention to condemn the property or put anything up in order for the city to pay for it.'' Osborne said Chera's surrender of the land is pure wishful thinking'' on the part of Unger and Kean. It certainly sounds nice for the politicians to say we'll buy it' or we'll get funding for it.' That's just not realistic,'' said Zaro, citing the state's ongoing budget crisis. I don't think buying a beach club for $16 million is going to rank up there with all the other needs we have. The city could condemn it under eminent domain (but) I can't imagine the citizens of Long Branch, who have just seen their tax assessments triple, would be in any kind of a mood to raise taxes again to buy a beach club.'' Leila Poch, president of the Elberon Voters and Property Owners Association was present for the tour. She said citizens support the preservation. We have the chance to put the stop sign up,'' she said of razing historic properties in the city. This is the
[AsburyPark] Re: Lack of Code Enforcement
I think the next campaign in this town should be to get new code enforcers and move the current officers to other positions/departments. The current officials have done enforcement so pell mell over the years that if they ever tried to get tough now they would be called on areas that they were soft in the past. Clean house/new slate! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Results ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone attend the ZB last night ? Werner Werner- Here is some of the testimony from Tuesday night: The former chief of police of Morristown who now lives down here applauded the shelter. Similiar to the testimony of the current chief of police in Morristown who gave testimony a couple weeks ago. They have many more problems coming out of the bars and gangs in Morristown than they do at the Mission. There were also a couple former homeless AP men who spoke. One who went to Morristown for help because he couldn't get the help he needed here in AP. Both men have their lives together now thanks to shelters. Father Bill of Holy Spirit spoke about coming together to help solve the problem of homelessness and making these men part of our community. Several residents talked about their reasons for moving to AP and they want to keep the town a mixed population: black/white, rich/poor, gay/straight, renter/home-owner.Since AP isn't creating more affordable housing, we are just continuing to force more people into homelessness. SUFA said that they are not against the homeless shelter just against some of the policies. So we'll just work on changing some of the policies. However, unless we turn AP into federal property, the Mission is not allowed to perform background checks. And say they could? What should we do with a AP man who may be an ex-con who is living under the boardwalk? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Results ?
Your last line, is pure speculation! Who are you, to say? The Constitution, protects ALL citizens, from witch-hunts, like this! This is the US, not Salem, Mass.! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, martin_kerri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Anyone attend the ZB last night ? Werner Werner- Here is some of the testimony from Tuesday night: The former chief of police of Morristown who now lives down here applauded the shelter. Similiar to the testimony of the current chief of police in Morristown who gave testimony a couple weeks ago. They have many more problems coming out of the bars and gangs in Morristown than they do at the Mission. There were also a couple former homeless AP men who spoke. One who went to Morristown for help because he couldn't get the help he needed here in AP. Both men have their lives together now thanks to shelters. Father Bill of Holy Spirit spoke about coming together to help solve the problem of homelessness and making these men part of our community. Several residents talked about their reasons for moving to AP and they want to keep the town a mixed population: black/white, rich/poor, gay/straight, renter/home-owner.Since AP isn't creating more affordable housing, we are just continuing to force more people into homelessness. SUFA said that they are not against the homeless shelter just against some of the policies. So we'll just work on changing some of the policies. However, unless we turn AP into federal property, the Mission is not allowed to perform background checks. And say they could? What should we do with a AP man who may be an ex-con who is living under the boardwalk? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Results ?
. The Constitution, protects ALL citizens, from witch-hunts, like this! This is the US, not Salem, Mass.! And everyone has a right to defend their property and their rights, right? For example, I have a rentla property Ocean Township. Unfortuantely for me, when I purchased this house 22 years ago as an investment, the onwer's son was a POS. The POS was arrested a few years after I bought the house for apparently molesting his daughter. So a few years ago, the POS gets out of jail, moves next door to another neightbor who took him in. And, the way the law is, no one is notified by the probation department, prosecutor etc. Luckily, I saw the POS walking around and made sure we all knew. After calling the probation department etc - the POS has more rights to privacy then do the rights of the surrounding neighbors and KIDS. While his picture is on the 'net, you have to check for yourself. Lucky for us, we have someone from Dan's old neighborhood who made it a point to show the POS a couple of things. 1)The toy in his belt 2) The property lines. Then, when you go to either SELL your house or RENT it - the landlord is NOT allowed to disclose that you have a POS living next door (that is, you're not supposed to, by law), but you can advise them to check out the internet for possible sex-offenders. So you may lose a tenant or 5, get around $400/month less (everyone has a price), or your home may be worth LESS. Think back - that is what happened to AP. Now you have to have some controls over the building, number of people to serve etc etc. The state pays good rent for approved adult daycare centers. You'll see more and more facilities located in former warehouses. Actually, there aren't enough locations for the demand. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I think the lighting at Mattison is great. It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:06:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: I noticed a few days ago there are underground up lights in the proces of being installed along the front of Convention Hall. Theres one at the base of every Arch. = = = = = = = This is another trend that has gotten out of control - lights in the sidewalk that blind you. - The Asbury Grand - Mattison Bar and now - Convention Hall its not enough they blind you from above? Ignorant designers never considering the PEOPLE will one day be on the sidewalks. The City does nothing to stop it and at the Grand the light were planted on public property. I will check into the others. Doesn't anyone SEE that shining light up in peoples faces is a bad idea? Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Freeholders Meeting in Asbury Tonight
Pardon the interruption - I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that The Monmouth County Board of Chosen Freeholders occasionally takes their meetings on the road to make it easier for people around the County to attend. Tonight they are meeting in Asbury Park at the Municipal Building (I'm assuming council chambers) at 7:00 pm. It is very important for AP to make a strong showing in attendence. The Freeholder's budget each year is close to a half Billion dollars (your tax dollars), and they spend millions back on the municipalities. We have to let them know what we need to get them interested in spending on us. Squeaky wheels and such. Hope to see you there, and let's make them feel welcomed. If they feel they've had good experience, they'll be more likely to take an interest in us. Tommy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the lighting at Mattison is great. It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. Yes, I agree with that conclusion. (except for it being great) What about walking on the sidewalk? What about being blinded as a pedestrian? Why cant - It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. - coexist with consideration for the general public. The lighting could certainly have been places at the tops of the columns shining down. Essentially the same effect but considerate of pedestrians - Right? Thats the point. Have you even attampted to be there on the sidewalk at night to get the complete picture? Private lighting of structures does not belong in public sidewalks - period. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Here's a note I sent to the City, lets see what the response is. To: Reidy, Sammet, Grant It has come to my attention that new lighting is being installed in the pavement in front of ConHall as part of the plaza construction. It appears to consist of flood lights located at grade directed upwards against the colonnade along Ocean Ave. This is completely inappropriate for a number of reasons: - The fixtures appear to be installed on Public Property (ROW) - The lights point up from ground level blinding pedestrians - They violate the National Register preservation guidelines I note that the colonnade has original ceiling fixture wiring where industrial lighting has been installed. It was my understanding that those fixtures would be temporary and that the original or at least architecturally compatible fixtures would be restored. That would be the proper course of action, repair and restoration of the buildings original lighting systems. Why is additional modern lighting that is a hazard to pedestrians and contrary to the landmarks design being permitted? I recommend that this be addressed ASAP since the area is being finished with masonry shortly. I also noticed it appears the wiring is being routed through the abandoned steam pipe tunnel which was flagged as an asbestos hazard. Those wall penetrations could provide water entry points to the below grade area of the building. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I have walked down the sidewalk with out an issue. I assume if you walk right over the lights, you may experience discomfort. That would leave you with the option of then walking on the other side of the sidewalk or street. If the lights were located on the top I don't think the appearance would be as great. You would miss the entire top of the building. I fail to see a real issue hear. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:23:01 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I think the lighting at Mattison is great. It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. = = = = = = == Yes, I agree with that conclusion. (except for it being great) What about walking on the sidewalk? What about being blinded as a pedestrian? Why cant - It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. - coexist with consideration for the general public. The lighting could certainly have been places at the tops of the columns shining down. Essentially the same effect but considerate of pedestrians - Right? Thats the point. Have you even attampted to be there on the sidewalk at night to get the complete picture? Private lighting of structures does not belong in public sidewalks - period. Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see a real issue hear. = That is truly unfortunate. Clearly you do not beleive in the distinction between private property and public property, or that shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
As for Mattison, I believe the lights fall under the eve of the building, If so, then it is not on public property. People have the option to walk away from the lights. And if it is not on public property, the owner can do as he pleases. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:57:51 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I fail to see a real issue hear. = = = = = That is truly unfortunate. Clearly you do not beleive in the distinction between private property and public property, or that shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I'll be honest...I walk my dog to Market on the Middle sometimes, and i've noticed the lights on the sidewalk, but they don't bother me. If anything, they make looking up at the building and it's classic architecture easier, because there's no blaring lights shining down on me. They really don't bother me, but I do understand where Werner is coming from. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Mattison, I believe the lights fall under the eve of the building, If so, then it is not on public property. People have the option to walk away from the lights. And if it is not on public property, the owner can do as he pleases. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:57:51 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I fail to see a real issue hear. = = = = = That is truly unfortunate. Clearly you do not beleive in the distinction between private property and public property, or that shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Thanks from Paul Vail
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, steveguyrx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Paul Vail did a great job. I know as a lawyer, if the zoning board knocks this mission down, no appellate court will reverse them. Don't let Kerry lead anyone astray, the city of Asbury will be more than happy to defend us on appeal, the city doesn't want it, any sane person in Asbury doesn't want it. Those in favor of the mission are misguided liberals, or anti-white racists. I'll be sure to send any homeless person I should encounter to Kerry's house, lets see if she gives them shelter or is just another hypocrite. Let's not throw gasoline on a fire. Two wrongs do not make a right. Scale down the rhetoric counselor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Freeholders Meeting in Asbury Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon the interruption - Tommy!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree with that conclusion. (except for it being great) What about walking on the sidewalk? What about being blinded as a pedestrian? Do you have some sort of sensitivity to light? I think the lights at Mattison Park are great. I'd line Cookman with them. If we want to be so historically correct we'd ban cars and still have horseshit in the streets. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. We got bigger fish to fry in this burb. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I think the lighting at Mattison is great. It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. I agree. It looks nice. The point werner was trying to make is, in some cases, the lights are blinding if people need to walk around them. I never had, or know anyone who's compalined about the lights at Mattisoin though. I don't really think the Convention hall lights will be a problem either. They are close enough to the building that people wont be walking on top of htem or around them. I think bradley beach has some sort of ground lights around the Gazebo, but not sure. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Amen to that! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. We got bigger fish to fry in this burb. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Freeholders Meeting in Asbury Tonight
Tommy come home... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Pardon the interruption - Tommy!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. We got bigger fish to fry in this burb. == Its all big fish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have some sort of sensitivity to light? I think the lights at Mattison Park are great. I'd line Cookman with them. If we want to be so historically correct we'd ban cars and still have horseshit in the streets. Federal guidelines governing ConHall (excerpts) 2. The historic character of a property will be retained and preserved. The replacement of intact or repairable historic materials or alteration of features, spaces, and spatial relationships that characterize a property will be avoided. 3. Each property will be recognized as a physical record of its time, place, and use. 9. New additions, exterior alterations, or related new construction will not destroy historic materials, features, and spatial relationships that characterize the property. etc, etc. Point = Restore the original lighting. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Partners ?
Dan - Thanks for posting the Faiella articles from the Ledger. I put something up on AsburyRadio.com this morning, but I'm still learning how to manage that website. Not to blow my horn or anything, but I tried to read the council information about Faiella before they ever voted the redevelopment agreement into law, which, thanks to Shangazi, I still have on tape. James Aaron, our attorney for redevelopment, was quick to respond to me that my comments about Faiella were irrelevant to the item under discussion - The Waterfront Redevelopment Agreement with Faiella's clients, Asbury Partners. So the council did have a chance to put the breaks on, between Weldon's admission (he was gone before that night) and the Star-Ledger stories I held in my hand, referring to his being let go by Sharpe James from his job as deputy mayor, and thrown off his Newark Economic Development Corp by his own board of directors. I believe I summarized it all as not passing the smell test in Newark, or words to that effect. Maybe I should've been more forceful, dug my heels in and read the whole thing. There's something about that gavel pounding that can be very intimidating. Maureen Asbury Radio
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
People have the option to walk away from the lights. Someone may say, why do we have to have an option? Can't we talk whereever we want? yes, you can. But clearly you see there are lights there, so if the lights bother you, walk a few steps away from them. The lights have been there for weeks, and no one that i know of have complained about them. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I think everyone understands the point Werner is trying to make. It's made! I agree with his thinkings, but i too dont find the lights bothering. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its all big fish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution No it's not my friend. While I may agree with you in principle, it becomes an issue that valid and perhaps more important criticisms are not heard by the masses because everything is a criticism. Having children is a wonderful teaching experience. You have to learn to pick your battles. And training a dogg too. You can't say no all the time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Clearly you do not beleive in the distinction between private property and public property, or that shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. Your point about lights being on public property is all right. But now your talking about lights shining up at people? Assuming were talking about the lights at Mattison Bar here. They are right next to the building, and look straight up. Unless your scalling the building, i'm not sure youd come in direct contact with them. Does anyone stare at house lights? To the point where your eyes hurt? I do understand the lights are in the sidewalk, and people walk on it. This of course goes along with your point, that people have to walk there. However, the lights take up 1 foot just outside the wall of the building. The sidewalk has another 10 feet of walking space on it, with no direct views of the lights. Don't stare at them! :-) - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
You say Werner's point is the lights are blinding if people have to walk around them, but that is not the case. So again what is the point? I think some are just sour. No matter what they will complain. Enough already. I think using Mattison as an example is really low. From what I recall ( I will have to look again) I don't think the lights are in the public space. Not to mention that the restoration work done to this building was first rate. The owners spent a good deal of money (and now asking for a good amount) to bring back the beauty of this building. They could have taken a cheaper way out but didn't. Dirve past that building at night and it makes a statement. The kind of statement we need more buildings and homes to make - Original Message From: charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:12:26 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights I think the lighting at Mattison is great. It makes that beautiful building stand out at night. If you drive donw the street, you can see the details. I agree. It looks nice. The point werner was trying to make is, in some cases, the lights are blinding if people need to walk around them. I never had, or know anyone who's compalined about the lights at Mattisoin though. I don't really think the Convention hall lights will be a problem either. They are close enough to the building that people wont be walking on top of htem or around them. I think bradley beach has some sort of ground lights around the Gazebo, but not sure. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't say no all the time. === Yes - restore the original lighting on ConHall Yes - Place lights over peoples heads Yes - respect public property Yes - keep the view corridoors of Sunset Lake Happy Now? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sidewalk has another 10 feet of walking space on it, with no direct views of the lights. Don't stare at them! :-) You can't avoid them, they are shining UP ! Walk around them, Cross the Street, Dont look at them,... Jeez, they shouldnt be there in the first place ! I never would have thought this would be so difficult. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
If the issue is light pollution, how would lighting from the top solve that? - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:16:07 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: shining lights out of the sidewalk at people is something that should not be done. We got bigger fish to fry in this burb. === = = = = = = = Its all big fish: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Light_pollution Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kind of statement we need more buildings and homes to make = Allan, Send me your address and I'll set up a very bright spot light to shine on your home. Lets see how long it takes for you to complain about it - OK? There is well done appropriate lighting - People get degrees in lighting design - It is an art and science. But not in Asbury Park, Do whatever you want, shine lights from anywhere to anywhere, The brighter the better. OK lets move on - and then when things get relly out of hand I can say I told you so. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the issue is light pollution, how would lighting from the top solve that? = Guess you didnt read the article or do any research. Oh well Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the AsburyPark group: Is shining lights up out of the sidewalk a good idea? o Yes o No To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=2490934 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Are the lights at Mattison shining into someone's home? If so they should be complaining. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:51:01 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: The kind of statement we need more buildings and homes to make = = = = = Allan, Send me your address and I'll set up a very bright spot light to shine on your home. Lets see how long it takes for you to complain about it - OK? There is well done appropriate lighting - People get degrees in lighting design - It is an art and science. But not in Asbury Park, Do whatever you want, shine lights from anywhere to anywhere, The brighter the better. OK lets move on - and then when things get relly out of hand I can say I told you so. Werner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
allen - i like the lights and think they look fine. they dont blind me. i was just pointing out the point Werner was trying to get accross. I understand his thinking, but to me, the lights dont bother me. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
You can't avoid them, they are shining UP ! I think maybe its just your eyes, because no one else on here seems to be bothered by them. Everyone understands the point your making, yet no one is having the eye troubles that you seem to be having. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: Partners ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Restore881FM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan - Thanks for posting the Faiella articles from the Ledger. How you doin Red? Your welcome, but it was Werner who posted the articles. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Should we start lighting flag poles from the top? - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
I don't know if that poll question is worded right! Obviously in some cases the lights are fine, and others they are bad. it's not a simple yes or no question. I voted yes, becasuee i like the way it looks, and the lights don't bother my eyes. NO, i would not like to see this type of light everywhere - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Blinded By The Light
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - restore the original lighting on ConHall Yes - Place lights over peoples heads Yes - respect public property Yes - keep the view corridoors of Sunset Lake Happy Now? Blinded By the Light This is now your new theme song. And how appropriate. Written by the Juice and included in the album Greetings from Asbury Park it was orignally a flop until remade by Manfred Mann and later ELO. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blinded By The Light
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blinded By the Light This is now your new theme song. And how appropriate. Written by the Juice and included in the album Greetings from Asbury Park it was orignally a flop until remade by Manfred Mann and later ELO. == Obvoiusly you did no research into the subject either. Stick to real estate valuations. I SEE more around this City then most likely anyone around. Its a curse, At times I wish I were ignorant and happy. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should we start lighting flag poles from the top? Sorry, Charlie...LOL Argument by extention into subjects that have no relationship just shows you are looking for a way out. Flag Pole lighting is very specific and when properly designed has no 'light spillage' or adverse effects on the public. It lights the flag and nothing more. Then again one could certainly screw that up too. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blinded By The Light
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obvoiusly you did no research into the subject either. Stick to real estate valuations. I SEE more around this City then most likely anyone around. Its a curse, At times I wish I were ignorant and happy. Lighten up bro, it was a joke. Research into what? Yes, there is a problem with light pollution, but not in AP. In fact, I think too many of the areas are not lit enough. Breeding ground for crime. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] For Werner
Madman drummers bummers and Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat In the dumps with the mumps as the adolescent pumps his way into his hat With a boulder on my shoulder feelin' kinda older I tripped the merry- go-round With this very unpleasing sneezing and wheezing the calliope crashed to the ground Some all-hot half-shot was headin' for the hot spot snappin' his fingers clappin' his hands And some fleshpot mascot was tied into a lover's knot with a whatnot in her hand And now young Scott with a slingshot finally found a tender spot and throws his lover in the sand And some bloodshot forget-me-not whispers daddy's within earshot save the buckshot turn up the band And she was blinded by the light Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night Blinded by the light She got down but she never got tight, but she'll make it alright Some brimstone baritone anti-cyclone rolling stone preacher from the east He says: Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in its funny bone, that's where they expect it least And some new-mown chaperone was standin' in the corner all alone watchin' the young girls dance And some fresh-sown moonstone was messin' with his frozen zone to remind him of the feeling of romance Yeah he was blinded by the light Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night Blinded by the light He got down but she never got tight, but he's gonna make it tonight Some silicone sister with her manager's mister told me I got what it takes She said I'll turn you on sonny, to something strong if you play that song with the funky break, And go-cart Mozart was checkin' out the weather chart to see if it was safe to go outside And little Early-Pearly came in by her curly-wurly and asked me if I needed a ride, Oh, some hazard from Harvard was skunked on beer playin' backyard bombardier Yes and Scotland Yard was trying hard, they sent a dude with a calling card, he said, do what you like, but don't do it here Well I jumped up, turnedaround, spit in the air, fell on the ground Asked him which was the way back home He said take a right at the light, keep goin' straight until night, and then boy, you're on your own And now in Zanzibar a shootin' star was ridin' in a side car hummin' a lunar tune Yes, and the avatar said blow the bar but first remove the cookie jar we're gonna teach those boys to laugh too soon And some kidnapped handicap was complainin' that he caught the clap from some mousetrap he bought last night, Well I unsnapped his skull cap and between his ears I saw a gap but figured he'd be all right He was just blinded by the light Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night Blinded by the light Mama always told me not to look into the sights of the sun Oh but mama that's where the fun is Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new convention hall lights
Sorry, Charlie...LOL Argument by extention into subjects that have no relationship just shows you are looking for a way out. Flag Pole lighting is very specific and when properly designed has no 'light spillage' or adverse effects on the public. It lights the flag and nothing more. Then again one could certainly screw that up too. Werner I was being funny there, ha. However, some flag poles do you have lights based on the ground. If you were to walk by it, you could easily stare into it and be blinded. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blinded By The Light
It appears this lighting issue has taken off, and will soon lead to posiable insanity. I didn't know the post would inspire so much, but its good that it did. I originaly joined this group back in 99' because i liked the citys buildings and past history. the up lights on convention hall will look nice in my mind. We all need to agree that Werners points are correct. With the new up lights washing the front lower half of the building, the under mounted arch lights on the inside will be pointless. Maybe not pointless, becasue clearly they will shed light. There visual inpact will be greatly less. When the front of the building is dark, the arches light up from the inside. If the front is lit up, the inside arch lights wont show up as well. We will see what happens. Concrete started pouring for the sidewalks opposite the convention hall. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] Questions, Questions
Just trying to get an idea if propecting public property and historic sites has any value to this community. I'm getting tired... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
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[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the AsburyPark group: Will the Casino Carousel building eventually house an operational carousel? o yes o no o no, it will be a bar o no, it will house other attractions To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=2491093 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the AsburyPark group: Will there be rides on the boardwalk in the future like Madisoni Marquette said? o yes o no To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=2491094 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Questions, Questions
Just trying to get an idea if propecting public property and historic sites has any value to this community. I'm getting tired... Werner I think they care, just not in the same way you do. It's no wonder your tired. I don't think you will ever win your battle againts certain people. No one is right or wrong really. It's two different ways of thinking. Some people want everything to be exact, dead on, the way it's sopose to be. Lights mouldings all the correct time period. Others see it as making the buildings look their best. If it means making small changes or modifications to make something look better, then do it. Of course with the second way of thinking, thats not going along with the codes and restrictions that some of these buildings have. I think those rules are over looked sometimes. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] New poll for AsburyPark
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the AsburyPark group: Will the Casino Carousel building eventually house an operational carousel? o yes o no o no, a bar of some sort o no, another form of entertainment To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=2491099 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blinded By The Light
This may be one of the more arrogant statements I've seen in a long time... I SEE more around this City then most likely anyone around. Its a curse, At times I wish I were ignorant and happy. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blinded By The Light
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be one of the more arrogant statements I've seen in a long time... I SEE more around this City then most likely anyone around. Its a curse, At times I wish I were ignorant and happy. Werner = Thats right arrogant and tired.. Tired of.. - studying the history of this City for 25 years - puting my own life on hold for this City - volunteering for committees - creating the historical society - attending every conceivable meeting - taking preservation seminars - attending out of state conferences - reading City plans and documents - trying to save historic sites - watching the essence of Asbury Park disappear - receiving no thanks or respect - being shunned in my own community All for no benefit to myself. Yes I've become arrogant. If you would like to step up to the plate be my guest. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wall of Trees Around Sunset Lake
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I heard the digging and went to investigate. The machine was just finishing its task of drilling holes around the perimeter of Sunset Lake. Hole after Hole after Hole dotted the shoreline. After some inquieries it was reveiled that about 100 trees were being planted. WoW - great - trees! Of course that is the initial reaction, until where they are being planted is examined. The entire lake East of Grand Ave is being surrounded by trees. In effect the water views are being blocked off by a wall of trees. Is this good? The beauty of the Lake is that you can see across it unobstructed at points. The Veterans Memorial being the exception and rightfully so, it was designed to be different and a focal point. But the clear vistas will be clear no more. It will all merge into a Wall of Trees. On greater examination, trees are being placed where a sidewalk would potentially be constructed on the north shore. Why place trees in what is obviously space for a sidewalk? That little clear lawn areas at Park Ave and the one at 5th and Grand are being turned into forests. How sad that that this was not thought out better. Yes, plant trees, yes beautify the City, BUT do not destroy what little character and interest exists in the streetscape during the process. Werner ~~ A while back the Veterans donated Cherry Trees for Sunset Lake they wasn't maintain by the the City.That could happen with these.Like the tree at growing around our library flag pole.They will probaly die like the ones the Veterans donated years ago. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wall of Trees Around Sunset Lake
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I heard the digging and went to investigate. The machine was just finishing its task of drilling holes around the perimeter of Sunset Lake. Hole after Hole after Hole dotted the shoreline. After some inquieries it was reveiled that about 100 trees were being planted. WoW - great - trees! Of course that is the initial reaction, until where they are being planted is examined. The entire lake East of Grand Ave is being surrounded by trees. In effect the water views are being blocked off by a wall of trees. Is this good? The beauty of the Lake is that you can see across it unobstructed at points. The Veterans Memorial being the exception and rightfully so, it was designed to be different and a focal point. But the clear vistas will be clear no more. It will all merge into a Wall of Trees. On greater examination, trees are being placed where a sidewalk would potentially be constructed on the north shore. Why place trees in what is obviously space for a sidewalk? That little clear lawn areas at Park Ave and the one at 5th and Grand are being turned into forests. How sad that that this was not thought out better. Yes, plant trees, yes beautify the City, BUT do not destroy what little character and interest exists in the streetscape during the process. Werner ~~ A while back the Veterans donated Cherry Trees for Sunset Lake they wasn't maintain by the the City.That could happen with these.Like the tree at growing around our library flag pole.They will probaly die like the ones the Veterans donated years ago. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wall of Trees Around Sunset Lake
arn't trees also planned for around the lakes as part of the development plan? - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: Wall of Trees Around Sunset Lake
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I heard the digging and went to investigate. The machine was just finishing its task of drilling holes around the perimeter of Sunset Lake. Hole after Hole after Hole dotted the shoreline. After some inquieries it was reveiled that about 100 trees were being planted. WoW - great - trees! Of course that is the initial reaction, until where they are being planted is examined. The entire lake East of Grand Ave is being surrounded by trees. In effect the water views are being blocked off by a wall of trees. Is this good? The beauty of the Lake is that you can see across it unobstructed at points. The Veterans Memorial being the exception and rightfully so, it was designed to be different and a focal point. But the clear vistas will be clear no more. It will all merge into a Wall of Trees. On greater examination, trees are being placed where a sidewalk would potentially be constructed on the north shore. Why place trees in what is obviously space for a sidewalk? That little clear lawn areas at Park Ave and the one at 5th and Grand are being turned into forests. How sad that that this was not thought out better. Yes, plant trees, yes beautify the City, BUT do not destroy what little character and interest exists in the streetscape during the process. Werner ~~ A while back the Veterans donated Cherry Trees for Sunset Lake they wasn't maintain by the the City.That could happen with these.Like the tree at growing around our library flag pole.They will probaly die like the ones the Veterans donated years ago. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Thursday Evening's BOE meeting
Dear Group Members, Thursday night the Board of Education had its annual Organization Meeting, which takes care of typical administrative chores mandated by law such as re-establishing board policies, appointing bank depositories, etc. Prior to that, the new board members (Barbara Lesinski and Tom Pivinski) and returning board members (Garrett Giberson, Mrs Sanders and myself) took our oath of office and were seated. The Board voted to table the immediate re-hiring of the present law firm to give the board members time to consider their proposed contract and perhaps other offers by different law firms. Robert DiSanto and John Figueiredo were voted President and VP respectively. There will be a special BOE meeting to take care of pressing business on Thursday, May 3rd at 8 PM. The reason for the rather late start is that the meeting will be preceded by the QSAC community forum from 6 to 8 PM. The meetings will take place at the Bradley Elementary school on 3rd Ave. I'm not sure what the acronym QSAC stands for—something like Quality Standards Assurance Committee, but it is a new State mandate for all school districts where a team of folks from the State come in and interview all the Board members, administrators, representatives from the staff, and then they walk through the schools and observe what is going on. They then have a public forum to elicit input from the community. There is a report that they write, which should be very interesting! Everyone is invited, of course. The Board also voted to have their regular monthly board meeting on the 4th (not necessarily the last) Wednesday of each month. If you have any questions, please e-mail me. Thanks! Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
