Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So with all due respect, what part of that didn't you under...
That is part of what they are doing. Deregulation today means you broadcast what you want, when you want. The difference is regardless of how many a stations a group has they will have to have to provide local programming as part of their license renewal. Single radio or TV stations against groups cannot make it financially because if you are advertising you want a share of the market not just a one demographic. NJ radio is all about group ownership. That will bring back the good old days when you would simply petition the FCC to reject renewal. In some cases you get the station. In Boston this happened with Channel 5 and Channel 7. One was owned by a newspaper and the other was owned by General Tire and paid off people in some latin american country for rubber contracts. Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/17/2007 8:22:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By reregulate radio I meant that they would be requiring more local content as a part of license renewal. == That's not the issue in contention in tomorrow's vote. The issue is expansion of big media over the objections of independent media and the public. The Senate is threatening to override the vote taken tomorrow. Statement on the FCC web site by dissenting Commissioners Copps and Adelstein http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-278142A1.pdf === NEWS Federal Communications Commission FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEWS MEDIA CONTACTS, November 13, 2007 The proposal could repeal the ban in every market in America, not just the top twenty. Any city, no matter how small, could be subjected to newspaper broadcast ownership combinations under a very loose standard. Under Chairman Martin's plan, all markets will be open to one company combining broadcast properties with cable, the newspaper (already a monopoly in most places), even the Internet Service Provider. His proposal could propel a frenzy of competition-stifling mergers across the land. Consider: -The top 20 markets account for over 43% of U.S. households. Even on its face, this proposal directly affects over 120 million Americans. - The Chairman then creates a loophole that Big Media will drive a truck through, permitting a newspaper-broadcast combination in any market in the country. We have seen how loosely the Commission has granted waivers in the past. If this proposal goes through, the FCC could grant cross-ownership applications in such small towns as Meridian, Mississippi and Bend, Oregon. When big conglomerates can't get their way in a general rule, they press for loopholes that swallow the rule, and they would succeed with this approach. - The non-top four stations that major newspapers will now be competing for are precisely the stations more likely to be owned by small, independent broadcasters. All designed to make sure that the Chairman can deliver a generous gift to Big Media before the holidays. For the rest of us: a lump of coal. == Chairman Martie, You're doing a heck of a job. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So with all due respect, what part of that didn't you u...
In a message dated 12/18/2007 9:27:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The difference is regardless of how many a stations a group has they will have to have to provide local programming as part of their license renewal. Local programming as determined by whom? Independent voices or? Again that's a distraction from what's going on this week: For senior Republican senators -- Ted Stevens of Alaska, Trent Lott of Mississippi, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Larry Craig of Idaho -- have joined 21 Democrats is signing a letter to Martin urging a delay in the rule changes. When you proposed a new rule on the effects of communications towers on migratory birds, you allowed for a 90 day comment period. How could you decide to allow 90 days for a migratory bird rule and then shortchange the public on the media ownership rule? the senators ask Martin in the letter. _A Political Fight Brews Over FCC Rule Changes_ (http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071218/cm_thenation/1261097) Yahoo! News - NOBR29 minu The Bush-Cheney administration wants FCC chair Kevin Martin and the Republican majority on the commission to approve a rewrite of media-ownership rules that ... _FCC's Contested Cross-Ownership Plan Set for Vote_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/17/AR2007121701825.html) NOBRWashington _FCC seen easing media ownership rules Tuesday_ (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1743918720071218) NOBRR _FCC's Planned Vote to Ease Media Ownership Opposed by Senators_ (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103sid=af0gEWpcIijIrefer=us) NOBRBlo _Hollywood Reporter_ (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i396ec42a7743c50393bf9f3b52b8b259) - _Reuters_ (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSWAT00859020071218) _NOBRall 271 news ar »_ (http://news.google.com/news?svnum=10as_scoring=rned=tusrec=0hl=enie=UTF-8ncl=1124739142) _Senators Threaten To Nullify FCC Ownership Vote_ (http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=140441pt=todaysnews) Streaming Magazine, FL - NOBR14 ho ... Trent Lott (R-MS), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), and Ted Stevens (R-AK) has written to FCC Chairman Kevin Martin to tell him that if the commission goes ahead ... _FCC's Martin Won't Delay Vote_ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119758033273927517.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) Wall Street Journal - NOBRDec 1 Mr. Martin, a Republican, also faced criticism from senators from his own party. Earlier in the hearing, Sens. Trent Lott (R., Miss.) and Ted Stevens (R., ... **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: So with all due respect, what part of that didn't you under...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the issue in contention in tomorrow's vote. The issue is expansion of big media over the objections of independent media and the public. The Senate is threatening to override the vote taken tomorrow.Statement on the FCC web site by dissenting Commissioners Copps and Adelstein http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-278142A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-278142A1.pdf That Bill Moyer's Journal on this issue on Sunday was eye opening. The FCC Chairman made up his mind before there was any public comment and despite resistance from both the public and Congress (both parties), intends to go ahead and do it anyway. Symptomatic of the ways things have been handled by the Bush White House. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it smells like .... Victory!
Official relents, lets Asbury Little League field work go on By NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Danny McKee and his Asbury Park Little League officials met Monday night with the state Department of Education's fiscal monitor assigned to the school district, and got the go-ahead to finish building their new $225,000 Little League field, dugouts, lights and field house on high school property. The Board of Education last month halted the Little League's volunteer efforts after the fiscal monitor Mark Cowell, who has veto power over the board started working in the district's central offices and said the league should switch the location of the field to the run-down fields behind Asbury Park Intermediate School. McKee and his Little League board revived the city's program in recent years and, in the past year and a half, raised $200,000 and an additional $25,000 commitment for a new league field. They were in their homestretch to install the night lights and have the dugouts and field house built before the upcoming spring season when they were shut down. Cowell said a new field at the intermediate school could benefit many more city children and the school's students, instead of keeping it at the high school, where the field is shared with the high school girls softball team. If they switched locations, the state would reimburse the league for money spent so far to rehabilitate the baseball diamond and the new bleachers, scoreboard, fencing and batting cage already up at the high school site. Cowell said there would be no state money in the immediate future without the league's contributions. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it smells like .... Victory!
Cowell said a new field at the intermediate school could benefit many more city children and the school's students, . Very Good job to Danny, Frank and everyone else that supported the effort. Ok, THIS is the next step for the BOE. Take the $ the state offered to move the Little League field, combined with the $$$ that was allocated but vanished over the years, and fix up the playground at the Intermediate School. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not a fan, I guess...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, you may not be a great actor but you are a great school board member. Thanks for fighting the good fight and being a voice of reason and fighter for transparency. he's a good actor too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Rolling Stone Article On Obama
An excerpt (closing) So maybe it's OK to let the grandiose things that an Obama presidency could represent overwhelm the less-stirring reality i.e., Obama as more or less a typical middle-of-the-road Democrat with a lot of money and a well-run campaign. Maybe it's OK because it's not always about the candidates; sometimes it's about us, what we want and what we want to believe. And if Barack Obama can carry that burden for us, why not let him? Seriously, why not? The happy ending doesn't always have to ring false. An insightful article (as always) by Mike Taibbi. Check it out http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/17652931/obamas_moment/print Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not a fan (of Pivinski)
Frank don't let Pivinski get you down. He ticks me off. For what it's worth - here's why. I wrote that triCity column for over 6 years. From the start I made every one begin with a relevant quote. I don't think there is another weekly columnist who does that. Certainly not in our area. It was kind of my nom de plume. Pivinski was a farily consistent detractor of mine, and we printed all his letters about me. I think he even mentioned my quotes. When he got a column with the Coaster (if you can call it that; there is no original thought, just cut and paste from the net), he immediantly began every column with a quote, just like mine. Certainly there is nothing illegal about that; I don't have a copyright on starting columns with quotes. That being said, there is no doubt he was bogarting my style. Considering he is in the same town, I think that's pretty cheesey. I complained to both him and Mike Booth. I invested 6 years in doing that. Neither of them denied ripping me off. They both pretty much told me to damned bad. Sad day when a great little newspaper like the Coaster has to stoop to ripping off a plog like triCity. I know in the scheme of people's lives it doesn't mean an hill of beans, but being personal to me, it meant alot to me. It also says a great deal about the character of Pivinski, so don't let him get to you, Frank. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A big fan of Pivinski here!
Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my opinions remain mixed at best. My first instinct is to respect anyone who volunteers for public service. However, there are things he has done which do not set well with me. The one I find hardest to stomach was his treatment of Garrett Giberson. Frank tried to stab Garrett in the back ahead of the last school board elections. Garrett, always a gentleman, never mentioned it. It wasn't necessary. In the end Garrett obtained more votes than anyone else who ran in that election. Frank also writes about the need to build bridges with the city council but at the same time finds all sorts of reasons not to. In fact, Frank has publically slandered the council more than once in his opinion piece in the Coaster. Not a great way to start the bridge building process. If building bridges is one of the things it will take to improve the education of Asbury Park school children, I would expect Frank to be the first one at the river bank with hammer and nails to get the job done. After all, that is why I voted for him. Frank D'Alesandro writes beautifully and is clearly passionate about his role. But he would serve Asbury's school children better by removing the poison from his pen. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank don't let Pivinski get you down. He ticks me off. For what it's worth - here's why. I wrote that triCity column for over 6 years. From the start I made every one begin with a relevant quote. I don't think there is another weekly columnist who does that. Certainly not in our area. It was kind of my nom de plume. Pivinski was a farily consistent detractor of mine, and we printed all his letters about me. I think he even mentioned my quotes. When he got a column with the Coaster (if you can call it that; there is no original thought, just cut and paste from the net), he immediantly began every column with a quote, just like mine. Certainly there is nothing illegal about that; I don't have a copyright on starting columns with quotes. That being said, there is no doubt he was bogarting my style. Considering he is in the same town, I think that's pretty cheesey. I complained to both him and Mike Booth. I invested 6 years in doing that. Neither of them denied ripping me off. They both pretty much told me to damned bad. Sad day when a great little newspaper like the Coaster has to stoop to ripping off a plog like triCity. I know in the scheme of people's lives it doesn't mean an hill of beans, but being personal to me, it meant alot to me. It also says a great deal about the character of Pivinski, so don't let him get to you, Frank. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So with all due respect, what part of that didn't you u...
In a message dated 12/18/2007 10:20:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That Bill Moyer's Journal on this issue on Sunday was eye opening. That was eye-opening. But this, from a congressional hearing, is mind-blowing -- more of that (Heck of a good job) Ignorant Arrogance Syndrome: Questions posed to Kevin Martin, and his answers: Are you aware that the Association of Free Community Papers opposes lifting the cross-ownership rule? KEVIN MARTIN: Yes. Are you aware that the Independent Free Papers Association opposes lifting the cross-ownership rule? KEVIN MARTIN: No, I haven't heard that. They are. Are you aware that the Community Papers of Michigan opposes lifting the cross-ownership rule? KEVIN MARTIN: No. How about the Free Community Papers of New York? KEVIN MARTIN: I knew the Free Community Papers Association was. The Free Community Papers of New England? KEVIN MARTIN: No. The Texas Community Newspapers Association? KEVIN MARTIN: No. The Wisconsin Community Papers Association? KEVIN MARTIN: No. == Full transcript of pros and cons: _Online NewsHour: Debate | FCC to Rule on Media Ownership | December 17, 2007 | PBS_ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media/july-dec07/monopolies_12-17.html) (Gene Kimmelman, vice president for federal and international affairs at Consumers Union, and John Sturm, president of the Newspaper Association of America.) **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. You like what Pivinski did with the Sunset Lake trees. Well Werner probably sees it as needlessly destroying the last historic open vista in Asbury Park, and I see it as an illegal action because the Shade Tree Commission has no authority to turn itself into a Pretty Committee by planting other than shade trees. (By the way those trees are dying; I couldn't be happier about it). What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. To those people camaraderie is more important than privacy, but when you give power to a guy like Pivinski, well he just couldn't care less about what the people he affects thinks. I see that his stealing my column writing style was, to you, unimportant enough for you to not bring it up; that may be the point. It is probably only important to me, because it belonged to me. To hurt one person as opposed to many doesn't make it right. I don't dispute Pivinski would like to do good - he just has to stop being such a bully about it and imposing himself on people. By the way, every time he criticized me in print, he expected me to greet him with smiles and remain his friend. I never disappointed him in that regard. If he takes umbrage at this post, he again allows us to measure his mettle. If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my opinions remain mixed at best. My first instinct is to respect anyone who volunteers for public service. However, there are things he has done which do not set well with me. The one I find hardest to stomach was his treatment of Garrett Giberson. Frank tried to stab Garrett in the back ahead of the last school board elections. Garrett, always a gentleman, never mentioned it. It wasn't necessary. In the end Garrett obtained more votes than anyone else who ran in that election. Frank also writes about the need to build bridges with the city council but at the same time finds all sorts of reasons not to. In fact, Frank has publically slandered the council more than once in his opinion piece in the Coaster. Not a great way to start the bridge building process. If building bridges is one of the things it will take to improve the education of Asbury Park school children, I would expect Frank to be the first one at the river bank with hammer and nails to get the job done. After all, that is why I voted for him. Frank D'Alesandro writes beautifully and is clearly passionate about his role. But he would serve Asbury's school children better by removing the poison from his pen. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Frank don't let Pivinski get you down. He ticks me off. For what it's worth - here's why. I wrote that triCity column for over 6 years. From the start I made every one begin with a relevant quote. I don't think there is another weekly columnist who does that. Certainly not in our area. It was kind of my nom de plume. Pivinski was a farily consistent detractor of mine, and we printed all his letters about me. I think he even mentioned my quotes. When he got a column with the Coaster (if you can call it that; there is no original thought, just cut and paste from the net), he immediantly began every column with a quote, just like mine. Certainly there is nothing illegal about that; I don't have a copyright on starting columns with quotes. That being said, there is no doubt he was bogarting my style. Considering he is in the same town, I think that's pretty cheesey. I complained to both him and Mike Booth. I invested 6 years in doing that. Neither of them denied ripping me off. They both pretty much told me to damned bad. Sad day when a great little newspaper like the Coaster has to stoop to ripping off a plog like triCity. I know in the scheme of people's lives it doesn't mean an hill of beans, but being personal to me, it meant
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
I'm curious about something. It's this comment, which I believe harkens back to a TCN story; What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. Has anybody on Drummond ever actually come forward and complained about the trees? This whole issue of complaining about tree planting is a bizarre argument in my opinion. Trees do nothing but good for both the environment and a community. I guess here in AP everything is up for petty complaints. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. You like what Pivinski did with the Sunset Lake trees. Well Werner probably sees it as needlessly destroying the last historic open vista in Asbury Park, and I see it as an illegal action because the Shade Tree Commission has no authority to turn itself into a Pretty Committee by planting other than shade trees. (By the way those trees are dying; I couldn't be happier about it). What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. To those people camaraderie is more important than privacy, but when you give power to a guy like Pivinski, well he just couldn't care less about what the people he affects thinks. I see that his stealing my column writing style was, to you, unimportant enough for you to not bring it up; that may be the point. It is probably only important to me, because it belonged to me. To hurt one person as opposed to many doesn't make it right. I don't dispute Pivinski would like to do good - he just has to stop being such a bully about it and imposing himself on people. By the way, every time he criticized me in print, he expected me to greet him with smiles and remain his friend. I never disappointed him in that regard. If he takes umbrage at this post, he again allows us to measure his mettle. If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my opinions remain mixed at best. My first instinct is to respect anyone who volunteers for public service. However, there are things he has done which do not set well with me. The one I find hardest to stomach was his treatment of Garrett Giberson. Frank tried to stab Garrett in the back ahead of the last school board elections. Garrett, always a gentleman, never mentioned it. It wasn't necessary. In the end Garrett obtained more votes than anyone else who ran in that election. Frank also writes about the need to build bridges with the city council but at the same time finds all sorts of reasons not to. In fact, Frank has publically slandered the council more than once in his opinion piece in the Coaster. Not a great way to start the bridge building process. If building bridges is one of the things it will take to improve the education of Asbury Park school children, I would expect Frank to be the first one at the river bank with hammer and nails to get the job done. After all, that is why I voted for him. Frank D'Alesandro writes beautifully and is clearly passionate about his role. But he would serve Asbury's school children better by removing the poison from his pen. Paul Vail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Frank don't let Pivinski get you down. He ticks me off. For what it's worth - here's why. I wrote that triCity column for over 6 years. From the start I made every one begin with a relevant quote. I don't think there is another weekly columnist who does that. Certainly not in our area. It was kind of my nom de plume. Pivinski was a farily consistent detractor of mine, and we printed all his letters about me. I think he even mentioned my quotes. When he got a column with the Coaster (if you can call it that; there is no original thought, just
[AsburyPark] Re: $2,200 in jewelry stolen from Asbury Park shop
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .and a cross, police said. Holiday shopping? Nothing like a robbery across the police station. Whatever happened to the security cameras in a few key locations. See, if you had a few condos sold in the redvelopment zone, it enable the city to do a bit more. Question that goes without an answer: How much does the UEZ collect each year and how is it allocated? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Hi Tommy, Actually I am not a big fan of the trees around Sunset Lake either. However, I helped plant them. And I did it to show my support for people who walk the walk when it comes to trying to make a difference in this city. How many members of the public showed up at the laborious Environmental Shade Tree Commission meetings to give imput about improving the lake and streetscape? Were you there? I know I wasn't. Prior to planting trees in front of any particular house, written notices were provided on every door asking residents to call ahead if they did not want trees planted on the PUBLIC sidewalk strips in front of their homes. In fact, I called to ask that a tree not be planted in front of our house on Sunset. None was planted. (I held them off only because next spring I want to plant a Sycamore Tree there instead). As for starting opinion pieces with a familiar quotations, I am not aware of any copyright or trademark violations here. In fact, I'd bet a couple dollars that hundreds if not thousands of writers around the world begin their columns in just the same way. Time to let this one go, Tommy Tom P. may have been critical of you in print. But you have been critical of him in print too. You are both passionate about your opinions. Good men put those passions aside when they meet as neighbors. I know you both to be very good and compassionate people. You have more in common than not. Best, P. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. You like what Pivinski did with the Sunset Lake trees. Well Werner probably sees it as needlessly destroying the last historic open vista in Asbury Park, and I see it as an illegal action because the Shade Tree Commission has no authority to turn itself into a Pretty Committee by planting other than shade trees. (By the way those trees are dying; I couldn't be happier about it). What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. To those people camaraderie is more important than privacy, but when you give power to a guy like Pivinski, well he just couldn't care less about what the people he affects thinks. I see that his stealing my column writing style was, to you, unimportant enough for you to not bring it up; that may be the point. It is probably only important to me, because it belonged to me. To hurt one person as opposed to many doesn't make it right. I don't dispute Pivinski would like to do good - he just has to stop being such a bully about it and imposing himself on people. By the way, every time he criticized me in print, he expected me to greet him with smiles and remain his friend. I never disappointed him in that regard. If he takes umbrage at this post, he again allows us to measure his mettle. If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my opinions remain mixed at best. My first instinct is to respect anyone who volunteers for public service. However, there are things he has done which do not set well with me. The one I find hardest to stomach was his treatment of Garrett Giberson. Frank tried to stab Garrett in the back ahead of the last school board elections. Garrett, always a gentleman, never mentioned it. It wasn't necessary. In the end Garrett obtained more votes than anyone else who ran in that election. Frank also writes about the need to build bridges with the city council but at the same time finds all sorts of reasons not to. In fact, Frank has publically slandered the council more than once in his opinion piece in the Coaster. Not a great way to start the bridge building process. If building bridges is one of the things it will take to improve the education of Asbury Park school children, I would expect Frank to be the first one at the river bank with hammer and nails to get the job done. After all, that is why I voted for him.
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prior to planting trees in front of any particular house, written notices were provided on every door asking residents to call ahead if they did not want trees planted on the PUBLIC sidewalk strips in front of their homes. No one asked or notified me when one was planted in the strip by my house. Because it was on the Bond St side (I am a corner) did that not require my input? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What AP needs to do - The advice I have been giving
Suits target lots sold on the cheap in Newark City says buyers ignored commitments to develop Tuesday, December 18, 2007 BY IAN T. SHEARN Star-Ledger Staff Newark Mayor Cory Booker yesterday fired his first legal salvo to reclaim scores of discounted municipal lots that were sold to builders by the previous administration but never developed. Corporation Counsel Aney Chandy said the lawsuits filed against five builders yesterday -- seeking to regain 19 lots -- represent the first wave in Newark's efforts to reclaim and then develop languishing city land. This administration will not tolerate people who have abused the process for acquiring city-owned parcels, Booker said. We are ending policies of the past administration and affirmatively working to regain land from those who did not fulfill their commitment to the city and to our residents. Chandy said two more lawsuits are imminent, including one against TRI, a company owned by Tamika Riley. Riley was indicted with former Mayor Sharpe James last summer on charges that the two conspired to defraud Newark by selling Riley discounted city land. She, in turn, flipped the properties, reaping profits in excess of $700,000, according to the indictment. Riley could not be reached for comment. The lawsuits filed yesterday in Essex County Superior Court result from a survey of city land sales from 2000 through 2003. The city is working out settlements with 31 others developers, Chandy said, and also has begun a survey of city land deals from 2004 through 2006, which could yield more legal action. Stefan Pryor, the city's director of housing and economic development, said eight of the 31 developers were in the process of developing their land and a handful began soon after receiving notification letters. Another six were nonprofits, which had the will but not the ability to develop, so the city is assisting them in those efforts, he said. Most of the developers contacted yesterday said they were unaware the lawsuit had been filed, while several said they planned to try to resolve the matter with City Hall. From the late 1990s until James left office in 2006, his administration sold thousands of city lots at $1 to $4 per square foot to jumpstart a housing boom in all five wards of the city. A Star-Ledger analysis concluded that comparable property was selling for an average of $25 per square foot. When the real estate market heated up in 2003 and beyond, houses were selling for more than $500,000, earning the developers huge profits, and prompting criticism of the discounted land sales. When the market cooled, some developers sat on their lots, city officials charge, and engaged in land speculation, which is prohibited in redevelopment contracts. Most contracts call for developers to build within 18 months of purchase. Booker, who has long criticized the discounted land deals, is expected to unveil a new policy today for the sale of city-owned land, which would eliminate discounted prices unless it benefits the city. Some of the developers said the lawsuits took them by surprise. Willie Hall, president of Greater Refuge Redevelopment Corp., said the city informed him of only one of the seven addresses it seeks to reclaim. I'm going to sign a contract tomorrow morning (Tuesday) at 10 a.m. to develop that site, he said, referring to property on South 19th Street. Peter Santos, owner of Artco Contracting Development, said a reporter's inquiry was the first he had heard about the matter. The city is seeking to reclaim six lots from Artco. Jack DaSilva, one of the leading developers of city-owned land, said he was not familiar with the lots the city is seeking to reclaim. If it's a buildable lot, I'll fight this, said DaSilva, president of Brick City Development Group, which has built 24 multifamily homes on property bought from the city. Joe Romagnino of Bismark Construction Corp. declined comment. The city is seeking to reclaim one lot from Bismark. No one could be reached from Clove Development Corp., from which the city seeks to take seven lots. Ian T. Shearn may be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (973) 392-1671. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. Just to set the record straight, I vigorously supported Tom and voted for him. I applaud his sense of civic responsibility, even if I do disagree with some of the results of it. And although I do disagree with him on certain BOE issues, I still believe he has the best interests of the kids at heart, even if he does not believe that I do. I have already told him that privately. I disagree with Tom on the issue of the state monitor. We probably agree that after the convulsions of the past decade, we deserve to be monitored and to have state oversight. But the decisions should not be made by the paid, unelected monitor. They still have to be made by the elected, unpaid officials. If not, then the voters will have been disenfranchised. The Commissioner of Education claims that the monitor has veto power over all the decisions of the Board; she never claimed that he makes peremptory decisions. And that's what this particular gentleman (by the way, a nice guy in my opinion) has been doing. I think the monitor has gotten the message by now that it's the BOE and its Acting Superintendent who should be making policy, and not the lawyers or himself. He and the lawyers can give advice, and he can monitor and perhaps veto, but that's all. As for Tom, he is just beginning his stay on the board, mine ends permanently (and I mean permanently) in April. I hope he comes to the realization that being elected means you have the responsibility to make the decisions in the name of the people who elected you, not to have someone elected by no one making those decisions in advance for you. Somehow I have faith that he and some other Board members will come to that conclusion. Happily, some board members already have. The people of Asbury Park who exercised their franchise did not elect rubber stamps. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Sorry, maybe i'm a jerk, but complaining about the planting of trees will forever sound petty to me. Trees grow Tommy, and what may be perceived one day as something as ruining a view will later serve to make the same street look more beautiful, as well as help keep the air clean and healthy. Sometimes one needs to look further into the future. I recall the article in TCN about this issue, and I believe it was also riddled with a few treehugger comments, so I suspect you have a serious problem with people who align themselves as environmentalists (you'd hate me) I also recall you joking about how much better the surf would be 100 years from now when it's predicted that our entire beachfront, and most of coastal NJ and NYC may be under water because of global warming. I hope those predictions don't come true...but, in other parts of the world that we rarely think about, such as the artic and antartic circle, people lives are already being heavily effected. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petty complaint? If you think people meeting on their front porches every night for 80 years, then suddenly the government plants trees so they can't see one another is pettY then you just don't know what it means to be part of an old Italian neighborhood. The folks on Drummond are mostly the original families that built the homes (pretty rare). The are elderly. The city sent them some pink or yellow flyer saying they could reject the trees, but most of the old folks thought it was junk mail and threw it out. One guy read it and objected to the trees. Trees like anything else are subject to too much of a good thing being can do bad. Like Pivinski. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm curious about something. It's this comment, which I believe harkens back to a TCN story; What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. Has anybody on Drummond ever actually come forward and complained about the trees? This whole issue of complaining about tree planting is a bizarre argument in my opinion. Trees do nothing but good for both the environment and a community. I guess here in AP everything is up for petty complaints. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. You like what Pivinski did with the Sunset Lake trees. Well Werner probably sees it as needlessly destroying the last historic open vista in Asbury Park, and I see it as an illegal action because the Shade Tree Commission has no authority to turn itself into a Pretty Committee by planting other than shade trees. (By the way those trees are dying; I couldn't be happier about it). What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. To those people camaraderie is more important than privacy, but when you give power to a guy like Pivinski, well he just couldn't care less about what the people he affects thinks. I see that his stealing my column writing style was, to you, unimportant enough for you to not bring it up; that may be the point. It is probably only important to me, because it belonged to me. To hurt one person as opposed to many doesn't make it right. I don't dispute Pivinski would like to do good - he just has to stop being such a bully about it and imposing himself on people. By the way, every time he criticized me in print, he expected me to greet him with smiles and remain his friend. I never disappointed him in that regard. If he takes umbrage at this post, he again allows us to measure his mettle. If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many members of the public showed up at the laborious Environmental Shade Tree Commission meetings to give imput about improving the lake and streetscape? Were you there? Easy newb. You have a lot more volunteering in AP to catch up to the hours I've logged. Just because people can't make every meeting in town isn't a reason to tread on them. They count on you not to do that. That's what makes for a good volunteer - caring for diverse opinions, not ramming your own down their throats. Prior to planting trees in front of any particular house, written notices were provided on every door asking residents to call ahead if they did not want trees planted on the PUBLIC sidewalk strips in front of their homes. You saw that I put that in my post, so I don't know why you repeat it. Is your mom in her eighth decade like mine? We have one couple over 100 on Drummond. The city put a rather informal pink or yellow leaflet on their porch (not even mailed). They probably thought it was a flier for pizza. I promise to never take similar advantage of Pivinski's parents should I ever get the opportunity. As for starting opinion pieces with a familiar quotations, I am not aware of any copyright or trademark violations here. Again you saw me say this. What are you a parrot? In fact, I'd bet a couple dollars that hundreds if not thousands of writers around the world begin their columns in just the same way. You just lost money. I'm not awary of any, but more importantly, there was only one in our readership area. Now theirs one and a uncreative copycat. Time to let this one go, Tommy Query me this, batman: If it isn't important, why wouldn't Tom stop when I asked him? Tom P. may have been critical of you in print. But you have been critical of him in print too. You are both passionate about your opinions. Good men put those passions aside when they meet as neighbors. I know you both to be very good and compassionate people. You have more in common than not. Except I'd never stoop so low as steal his ideas. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City Council Meetings Tomorrow Night
Friends of Asbury Park: I am writing to inform you that the Asbury Park City Council will be meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, December 19, 2007. The Executive Session begins at 4pm, however this is not open to the public. The Workshop Session begins at 6pm and the Regular Meeting begins at 7pm, these are both open to the public. I have included the meeting agendas below and I encourage you to attend. For your convenience, I have also posted this information on my blog at www.keadyreport.blogspot.com http://www.keadyreport.blogspot.com/ . I hope this finds you well. Peace, James W. Keady, Councilman City of Asbury Park, NJ ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING AGENDA DECEMBER 19, 2007 4PM CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC Agenda Items For 4:00PM - Only Council Membership in Attendance for this session I. Personnel a. Professional Appointments 1. Attorneys: City, Redevelopment, Bond, Conflict Redevelopment, Workers Comp, Tax Appeals, Tax Foreclosure, General Conflict, and Special 2. Auditor 3. Appraisal b. Departmental Reorganization Agenda Items for 5:00PM I. Contract Negotiations a. WRA Subsequent Developers Agreement b. Senior Housing Facility II. Litigation a. Teicher (Sammet) b. Life Center Academy vs. City of Asbury Park (Raffetto) III. Land Acquisition a. 23 Borden Avenue (Raffetto) for Affordable Housing Project ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION MEETING AGENDA DECEMBER 19, 2007 - 6PM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC I. Review of Regular Agenda Items II. Undersized Land Sale Results for 703 Bond Street (Block 138, Lot 15) - James Famularo, Assistant City Manager III. Special Event Applications 1. City of Asbury Park Championship Teams Parade Starts at Bangs Dewitt 12/22 IV. Request to use City Date at Convention Hall by Brookdale Community College for speaking presentation to Asbury Park, Long Branch, and Neptune Middle and High School students V. Request to use City Date at Convention Hall by Hope Academy High School for high school basketball game VI. Items Presented by Brian Grant, City Engineer 1. Electric Supply for Bradley Park 2. Above Ground Transformer Approvals for Pavilions 3. Revision of Bradley Park Vehicular Turning Movements 4. Meandering Boardwalk (Bocce Courts) Revision 5. Authorization to proceed on Request for Proposals for Parking Meters (Discussion) 6. Notification of upcoming Change Order for 2007 Road Improvement VII. Laurence Gumina, Asbury Towers/Presbyterian Homes Executive Director 1. Renovation Project submittal to Redevelopment Entity 2. Resolution in Support of Renovation Project Funding Application for Balancing Housing Neighborhood Preservation Program VIII. Springwood Avenue Redevelopment Plan - Donald Sammet, Redevelopment Planning Director X. Vacation/Dedication in Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA) - Frederick Raffetto, City Attorney XI. Matters to be introduced by City Council XII. Matters to be introduced by City Attorney XIII. Matters to be introduced by City Manager ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL REGULAR PUBLIC MEETING AGENDA DECEMBER 19, 2007 - 7PM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SILENT PRAYER/MOMENT OF REFLECTION SALUTE TO THE FLAG ANNOUNCEMENT BY MAYOR SANDERS as to compliance with Open Public Meetings Act, Chapter 231, P.L. 1975 ,that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided in the following manner: The Annual Notice was forwarded to the Asbury Park Press, The Coaster, and Star Ledger on December 27, 2007, and posted on the City bulletin board the same date. All notices are on file with the City Clerk. 1. PUBLIC HEARING Advertised 12/6/07 in The Coaster- Sewer Rates 2. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: RM 12/5/07 4. PAYROLL RESOLUTION: 5. BILL RESOLUTION + Inservco 6. APPLICATIONS/LIQUOR LICENSES: (a) Bingo Licenses for 2008 Jewish War Veterans Post #125 7. RESOLUTIONS: (a) Appointments/Re-Appointments (b) Annual Notice (c) Apply for NPTA grant - $125,000 (d) Application supporting NPP-Asbury Towers (e) 2007 Budget Transfers (f) Approving Adjustments to Sewer Rate Schedule (g) Awarding Engineering Contract to LGA 8. ORDINANCES: Introduction: Amend STARS Redevelopment Plan 9. DECISION ON BIDS Received 12/12/07 Type III Ambulance, 2 RCA Bids 1215 ½ Monroe Avenue and 40 Ridge Avenue Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com
[AsburyPark] Press Conference Regarding the Esperanza
Friends of Asbury Park: I am writing to inform you of an important press conference that will take place tomorrow. Here are the particulars: Topic: Asbury Park City Council's Response to Metro Homes' work stoppage on the Esperanza Date:Wednesday, December 19, 2007 Time:3:30pm Location: Asbury Park City Hall I encourage all of you to attend this important event. I hope this finds you well. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Petty complaint? If you think people meeting on their front porches every night for 80 years, then suddenly the government plants trees so they can't see one another is pettY then you just don't know what it means to be part of an old Italian neighborhood. The folks on Drummond are mostly the original families that built the homes (pretty rare). The are elderly. The city sent them some pink or yellow flyer saying they could reject the trees, but most of the old folks thought it was junk mail and threw it out. One guy read it and objected to the trees. Trees like anything else are subject to too much of a good thing being can do bad. Like Pivinski. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about something. It's this comment, which I believe harkens back to a TCN story; What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. Has anybody on Drummond ever actually come forward and complained about the trees? This whole issue of complaining about tree planting is a bizarre argument in my opinion. Trees do nothing but good for both the environment and a community. I guess here in AP everything is up for petty complaints. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. You like what Pivinski did with the Sunset Lake trees. Well Werner probably sees it as needlessly destroying the last historic open vista in Asbury Park, and I see it as an illegal action because the Shade Tree Commission has no authority to turn itself into a Pretty Committee by planting other than shade trees. (By the way those trees are dying; I couldn't be happier about it). What Pivinski did on Drummond Avenue was a disaster. He imposed upon an 80-year-old culture of neighbors talking on their porches after dinner, by planting trees in their sightlines. To those people camaraderie is more important than privacy, but when you give power to a guy like Pivinski, well he just couldn't care less about what the people he affects thinks. I see that his stealing my column writing style was, to you, unimportant enough for you to not bring it up; that may be the point. It is probably only important to me, because it belonged to me. To hurt one person as opposed to many doesn't make it right. I don't dispute Pivinski would like to do good - he just has to stop being such a bully about it and imposing himself on people. By the way, every time he criticized me in print, he expected me to greet him with smiles and remain his friend. I never disappointed him in that regard. If he takes umbrage at this post, he again allows us to measure his mettle. If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Tom Pivinski does nothing but bust his behind to make Asbury Park a better place to live in. He has transformed the city by planting trees in every quarter and has literally pulled tons of $#%! out of Sunset Lake with his bare hands. Now he lends his background and expertise to the Asbury Park School Board. He does nothing but serve Asbury Park without back bighting and incessent self promotion. As for Frank D'Alesandro, my opinions remain mixed at best. My first instinct is to respect anyone who volunteers for public service. However, there are things he has done which do not set well with me. The one I find hardest to stomach was his treatment of Garrett Giberson. Frank tried to stab Garrett in the back ahead of the last school board elections. Garrett, always a gentleman, never mentioned it. It wasn't necessary. In the end Garrett obtained more votes than anyone else who ran in that election. Frank also writes about the need to build bridges with the city council but at the same time finds all sorts of reasons not to. In fact, Frank has publically slandered the council more than once in his opinion piece in the Coaster. Not a great way to start the bridge building process. If building bridges is one of the things it will take to improve the education of Asbury Park school children, I would expect Frank to be the first one at the river bank with hammer and nails to get the job done. After all, that is why I voted for him. Frank D'Alesandro writes
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. Just to set the record straight, I vigorously supported Tom and voted for him. I applaud his sense of civic responsibility, Relax Frank. Just because I stuck up for against Pivinski this one time doesn't mean people will think you and I are somehow together and aligned against him. You're reputation's safe. I don't join cliques. I'm a solo act. I supported Tom Piviniski for Board of Education. I did so because he stopped me on the street and told me he was interested in doing somehting about the State Sponsored Segregation of the High School, and issue I've raised constantly. Of course since being eleted, he hasn't said boo about it (niether have you by the way). What is wrong with today's liberal activists? In the 40's, 50's and 60's these people focused on saving people - minority rights. Today? They focus on trees and whales. Pivinski typifies that. He concentrates on trees while governing a State Caused Racially Segregated School. Hey Pivinski - Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy called - they said to tell you that you're no liberal activist. Now go save a friggin polar bear. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough to actually see the suffering brought about by the excesses of today. Of course, it's highly likely that you are just another global warming armchair expert, who thinks Al Gore is BS and all the science is wrong. Sad indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. Just to set the record straight, I vigorously supported Tom and voted for him. I applaud his sense of civic responsibility, Relax Frank. Just because I stuck up for against Pivinski this one time doesn't mean people will think you and I are somehow together and aligned against him. You're reputation's safe. I don't join cliques. I'm a solo act. I supported Tom Piviniski for Board of Education. I did so because he stopped me on the street and told me he was interested in doing somehting about the State Sponsored Segregation of the High School, and issue I've raised constantly. Of course since being eleted, he hasn't said boo about it (niether have you by the way). What is wrong with today's liberal activists? In the 40's, 50's and 60's these people focused on saving people - minority rights. Today? They focus on trees and whales. Pivinski typifies that. He concentrates on trees while governing a State Caused Racially Segregated School. Hey Pivinski - Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy called - they said to tell you that you're no liberal activist. Now go save a friggin polar bear. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
In my opinion, the notices went way beyond the call of duty. The trees were planted on what I believe is public property. Have you ever noticed the big difference between the neighborhoods north and south of Sunset Lake? Sometimes people cannot put their finger on it but actually it's the trees. The slum lords of the predominantly multi family south had them cut down illegally - just so they would not have to rake! Most of the old rows of Sycamores planted around town were put in by the city in years past. The city is responsible for their maintenance. This job was largely neglected until Tom P. joined the shade tree commission. The commission didn't just plant this and that. They put thought into what to plant where. Lower growing trees went under powerlines, taller ones in open areas. The commission looked everywhere for funding and got it. Tom P, Amy Quinn, Mr. Giberson Sr. and several other commission members whose names I cannot remember have a lot to be proud of. Their legacy in this city will grow for generations and I for one am extremely grateful. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Prior to planting trees in front of any particular house, written notices were provided on every door asking residents to call ahead if they did not want trees planted on the PUBLIC sidewalk strips in front of their homes. No one asked or notified me when one was planted in the strip by my house. Because it was on the Bond St side (I am a corner) did that not require my input? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Scam
I got in the mail a few days a go a letter from U.S. District Court Settlement Administrator PO Box 290 Philadelphia PA 19105-0290. U.S. District Court Approved Refund Notice. This is a SCAM to get your information and take your identity, do not fill it out or send it in. Shred it. Garrett Giberson **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Group steals bike from bicyclist in Asbury Park
In a message dated 12/17/2007 6:42:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: If the good guys carried guns, this wouldn't happen. remember what Archie said when describing how he would eliminate skyjacking, Youse arm all the passengers as they get on board, and collect the rods on their way out. Nobody would dare pull a skyjacking if everybody carried guns. Case closed! Google Bat Day from thekidfrombrooklyn Archie Bunker and the kid from Brooklyn -- very funny guys -- and caricatures of characters we all know and love(?). But it would be sad - a crying shame -- if they came to represent the American Ideal. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Very Funny. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he doesn't like it, as long as he plagiarizes my writing, as we used to say in the old days, he can kiss my ass in Steinbach's window for all the world to see. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: $2,200 in jewelry stolen from Asbury Park shop
Good luck trying to pawn this stuff. What a bunch of morons. the duo fled the store with three gold chains and a cross Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now go save a friggin polar bear. See what happens when you stay up late star gazin? You get grouchy. Get some rest Boo Boo Bear. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, the notices went way beyond the call of duty. The trees were planted on what I believe is public property. Come on over to Ocean Twp. We have a new ordinance on cutting DOWN trees. It's being finalized. Imagine a world without lawyers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Jack I admire liberals - when they're doing it right. The folks of the past - Thurgood, Martin, Bobby, they all focused on people - improving the lot of the less fortunate. If that's liberalism, then I'm down with the cause. Today's liberalism is all trees and animals. That would be great if we solved all the people problems. Until then, they're doing it wrong. As for Global Warming, it's really hard for me to concentrate on it, what with me being so busy burying all these folks who died from Bird Flu, not to mention I'm still recovering from that Y2K disaster. I've studied it. The science for human causation isn't there, particularly when compared to natrual whether patterns. Consider this too: So what if happens? It isn't the end of the world, it's a shift in access to world resources. Look at a globe. Do you think it's a coincidence that the world's most well off people live between latitudes 30 and 45? Temperate weather drives success - from food growth to manufacturing with available resources. So let's say the earth shifts and then traditionally disadvantaged people suddenly have the advantage of temperate whether and access to water and resources they didn't have before. Something wrong with that, or do you feel entitled to the benefits of the status quo? It would be a bad thing in your book if the disadvantaged suddenly become the advantaged? Sounds biblical. I recall something about the meek inheriting the earth. If the earth warms if isn't because if us; its natural. All America can do is plan on being in the best postion she can be to fight the wars that will natrually occur should access to resources change. Go USA. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough to actually see the suffering brought about by the excesses of today. Of course, it's highly likely that you are just another global warming armchair expert, who thinks Al Gore is BS and all the science is wrong. Sad indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. Just to set the record straight, I vigorously supported Tom and voted for him. I applaud his sense of civic responsibility, Relax Frank. Just because I stuck up for against Pivinski this one time doesn't mean people will think you and I are somehow together and aligned against him. You're reputation's safe. I don't join cliques. I'm a solo act. I supported Tom Piviniski for Board of Education. I did so because he stopped me on the street and told me he was interested in doing somehting about the State Sponsored Segregation of the High School, and issue I've raised constantly. Of course since being eleted, he hasn't said boo about it (niether have you by the way). What is wrong with today's liberal activists? In the 40's, 50's and 60's these people focused on saving people - minority rights. Today? They focus on trees and whales. Pivinski typifies that. He concentrates on trees while governing a State Caused Racially Segregated School. Hey Pivinski - Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy called - they said to tell you that you're no liberal activist. Now go save a friggin polar bear. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Pax Vobiscum
In the process of checking citations for Peace on Earth, I discovered the irony of ironies in the contentious cyber world: There's a Peace War over Peace on Earth and good will to men! vs. And on Earth, Peace to Men of Good Will. _Peace on Earth, good will toward men._ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538481/posts) _PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL_ (http://www.catholictradition.org/Children/men-goodwill.htm) Sigh **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: In my opinion, the notices went way beyond the call of duty. The trees were planted on what I believe is public property. Come on over to Ocean Twp. We have a new ordinance on cutting DOWN trees. It's being finalized. Imagine a world without lawyers. In NYC you cannot - $3,000 fine. My neighbor of 20+ years just moved. A real tree nut. The new kids that bought the house just spent thousands taking dow trees in the yard. Anyway, a few years ago the neighbor across the street trimmed the branch of a street tree that extend over to his property and was banging into the awning over his door. She took a picture of him and called the cops. $3K fine. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Press Conference Regarding the Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: I am writing to inform you of an important press conference that will take place tomorrow. There goes my night. The suspense is killing me ): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
I'll spare the group from a never ending argument with you about global warming, because you've already made up your mind by proclaiming that it's natural, and not man made. I totally disagree with you. If anything, i'd say it's a combination of nature and the actions of civilization...natural processes accelerated by pollution that began with the industrial revolution. I've studied it too, and not just since it became a political issue. I honestly feel sorry for you, although you will never appreciate why. You're the guy who thinks that dogs are merely cute, and that all animals are inferior lifeforms to humans, and that god created us all. I wonder if you consoled Dan Jacobson when he lost his dog by saying that he was such a cute dog ? Not long ago, before he flip flopped on the global warming issue, GW Monkeeface Bush stated that he was hesitant to take stronger action on global warming the way most of the rest of the world was doing because it would hurt the economy Of course, Bush isn't smart enough to realize when he says the economy that he actual lacks the ability to think into the future. He's talking about the economy of his lifetime. So, for him, it's better off to continue to kill the planet while he's still alive rather then do something to help preserve life in the future. Then, GW flipflops and nodody notices, probably because the media is controlled not by the news itself, but by the news makers. So Tommy, go ahead and throw caution to the wind. Nothing is going to happen. We'll all be fine. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue to be outspoken about this issue, and prepare for the possible effects in my lifetime. So, let's say 30 or 40 years from now, and we are both still alive, and a Katrina like event hits our area (which is traced to global shifts in climate and water temperatures) I'll be the guy with the boat helping people, and you'll be the guy standing on his roof writing HELP with red spray paint. See you then. And no, I won't way I told you so --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack I admire liberals - when they're doing it right. The folks of the past - Thurgood, Martin, Bobby, they all focused on people - improving the lot of the less fortunate. If that's liberalism, then I'm down with the cause. Today's liberalism is all trees and animals. That would be great if we solved all the people problems. Until then, they're doing it wrong. As for Global Warming, it's really hard for me to concentrate on it, what with me being so busy burying all these folks who died from Bird Flu, not to mention I'm still recovering from that Y2K disaster. I've studied it. The science for human causation isn't there, particularly when compared to natrual whether patterns. Consider this too: So what if happens? It isn't the end of the world, it's a shift in access to world resources. Look at a globe. Do you think it's a coincidence that the world's most well off people live between latitudes 30 and 45? Temperate weather drives success - from food growth to manufacturing with available resources. So let's say the earth shifts and then traditionally disadvantaged people suddenly have the advantage of temperate whether and access to water and resources they didn't have before. Something wrong with that, or do you feel entitled to the benefits of the status quo? It would be a bad thing in your book if the disadvantaged suddenly become the advantaged? Sounds biblical. I recall something about the meek inheriting the earth. If the earth warms if isn't because if us; its natural. All America can do is plan on being in the best postion she can be to fight the wars that will natrually occur should access to resources change. Go USA. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough to actually see the suffering brought about by the excesses of today. Of course, it's highly likely that you are just another global warming armchair expert, who thinks Al Gore is BS and all the science is wrong. Sad indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Dogs are cute. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll spare the group from a never ending argument with you about global warming, because you've already made up your mind by proclaiming that it's natural, and not man made. I totally disagree with you. If anything, i'd say it's a combination of nature and the actions of civilization...natural processes accelerated by pollution that began with the industrial revolution. I've studied it too, and not just since it became a political issue. I honestly feel sorry for you, although you will never appreciate why. You're the guy who thinks that dogs are merely cute, and that all animals are inferior lifeforms to humans, and that god created us all. I wonder if you consoled Dan Jacobson when he lost his dog by saying that he was such a cute dog ? Not long ago, before he flip flopped on the global warming issue, GW Monkeeface Bush stated that he was hesitant to take stronger action on global warming the way most of the rest of the world was doing because it would hurt the economy Of course, Bush isn't smart enough to realize when he says the economy that he actual lacks the ability to think into the future. He's talking about the economy of his lifetime. So, for him, it's better off to continue to kill the planet while he's still alive rather then do something to help preserve life in the future. Then, GW flipflops and nodody notices, probably because the media is controlled not by the news itself, but by the news makers. So Tommy, go ahead and throw caution to the wind. Nothing is going to happen. We'll all be fine. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue to be outspoken about this issue, and prepare for the possible effects in my lifetime. So, let's say 30 or 40 years from now, and we are both still alive, and a Katrina like event hits our area (which is traced to global shifts in climate and water temperatures) I'll be the guy with the boat helping people, and you'll be the guy standing on his roof writing HELP with red spray paint. See you then. And no, I won't way I told you so --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack I admire liberals - when they're doing it right. The folks of the past - Thurgood, Martin, Bobby, they all focused on people - improving the lot of the less fortunate. If that's liberalism, then I'm down with the cause. Today's liberalism is all trees and animals. That would be great if we solved all the people problems. Until then, they're doing it wrong. As for Global Warming, it's really hard for me to concentrate on it, what with me being so busy burying all these folks who died from Bird Flu, not to mention I'm still recovering from that Y2K disaster. I've studied it. The science for human causation isn't there, particularly when compared to natrual whether patterns. Consider this too: So what if happens? It isn't the end of the world, it's a shift in access to world resources. Look at a globe. Do you think it's a coincidence that the world's most well off people live between latitudes 30 and 45? Temperate weather drives success - from food growth to manufacturing with available resources. So let's say the earth shifts and then traditionally disadvantaged people suddenly have the advantage of temperate whether and access to water and resources they didn't have before. Something wrong with that, or do you feel entitled to the benefits of the status quo? It would be a bad thing in your book if the disadvantaged suddenly become the advantaged? Sounds biblical. I recall something about the meek inheriting the earth. If the earth warms if isn't because if us; its natural. All America can do is plan on being in the best postion she can be to fight the wars that will natrually occur should access to resources change. Go USA. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough to actually see the suffering brought about by the excesses of today. Of course, it's highly likely that you are just another global warming armchair expert, who thinks Al Gore is BS and all the science is wrong. Sad indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote:
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
They are. I should lend you mine sometime. You'd love her. Actually, I'm lending her out tomorrow to be a therapy dog for a VA event. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dogs are cute. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'll spare the group from a never ending argument with you about global warming, because you've already made up your mind by proclaiming that it's natural, and not man made. I totally disagree with you. If anything, i'd say it's a combination of nature and the actions of civilization...natural processes accelerated by pollution that began with the industrial revolution. I've studied it too, and not just since it became a political issue. I honestly feel sorry for you, although you will never appreciate why. You're the guy who thinks that dogs are merely cute, and that all animals are inferior lifeforms to humans, and that god created us all. I wonder if you consoled Dan Jacobson when he lost his dog by saying that he was such a cute dog ? Not long ago, before he flip flopped on the global warming issue, GW Monkeeface Bush stated that he was hesitant to take stronger action on global warming the way most of the rest of the world was doing because it would hurt the economy Of course, Bush isn't smart enough to realize when he says the economy that he actual lacks the ability to think into the future. He's talking about the economy of his lifetime. So, for him, it's better off to continue to kill the planet while he's still alive rather then do something to help preserve life in the future. Then, GW flipflops and nodody notices, probably because the media is controlled not by the news itself, but by the news makers. So Tommy, go ahead and throw caution to the wind. Nothing is going to happen. We'll all be fine. Meanwhile, I'm going to continue to be outspoken about this issue, and prepare for the possible effects in my lifetime. So, let's say 30 or 40 years from now, and we are both still alive, and a Katrina like event hits our area (which is traced to global shifts in climate and water temperatures) I'll be the guy with the boat helping people, and you'll be the guy standing on his roof writing HELP with red spray paint. See you then. And no, I won't way I told you so --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack I admire liberals - when they're doing it right. The folks of the past - Thurgood, Martin, Bobby, they all focused on people - improving the lot of the less fortunate. If that's liberalism, then I'm down with the cause. Today's liberalism is all trees and animals. That would be great if we solved all the people problems. Until then, they're doing it wrong. As for Global Warming, it's really hard for me to concentrate on it, what with me being so busy burying all these folks who died from Bird Flu, not to mention I'm still recovering from that Y2K disaster. I've studied it. The science for human causation isn't there, particularly when compared to natrual whether patterns. Consider this too: So what if happens? It isn't the end of the world, it's a shift in access to world resources. Look at a globe. Do you think it's a coincidence that the world's most well off people live between latitudes 30 and 45? Temperate weather drives success - from food growth to manufacturing with available resources. So let's say the earth shifts and then traditionally disadvantaged people suddenly have the advantage of temperate whether and access to water and resources they didn't have before. Something wrong with that, or do you feel entitled to the benefits of the status quo? It would be a bad thing in your book if the disadvantaged suddenly become the advantaged? Sounds biblical. I recall something about the meek inheriting the earth. If the earth warms if isn't because if us; its natural. All America can do is plan on being in the best postion she can be to fight the wars that will natrually occur should access to resources change. Go USA. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough
[AsburyPark] APBOE meeting tomorrow
Just a reminder that the regular Asbury Park BOE meeting for December will be tomorrow night (Wednesday, Dec. 19) at 7 P.M. at the Bradley Elementary School on 3rd Ave. There is supposed to be a public hearing on refinancing the bonds from 1997 and 2000. It is also safe to say, I think, that the prospects for the Little League to remain at their field at the high school grounds improved rather dramatically yesterday. Let's keep our fingers crossed on that one. Frank D'. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dogs are cute. and lucky me, at 5:00 pm tomorrow, I'm picking up an australian shepherd pup. Took the kids all these years. And I thought I was almost being tied down. No dog, no dog. It's the dog or me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
You're gonna love it... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Dogs are cute. and lucky me, at 5:00 pm tomorrow, I'm picking up an australian shepherd pup. Took the kids all these years. And I thought I was almost being tied down. No dog, no dog. It's the dog or me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not a fan, I guess...
Frank - as bad actor??? Nah, neigh,never, not anyone who has attended the Crane House events over the past, oh God, maybe 4 or 5 years that I've been attending would call Frank D a bad actor. Frank's Elizabeth Beaton, or Camilla Parker Bowles, or more recently Julia Child - but don't forget Truman Capote last year- are without comparison!! And when it comes to his mission as School Board Member, there is no acting. Frank is sincere and dedicated. Tom knows this and shame on him for letting his partisan feelings dictate that last missive. Let's see more of the comradery that was apparent when you fellas were running for office. Maureen -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, you may not be a great actor but you are a great school board member. Thanks for fighting the good fight and being a voice of reason and fighter for transparency. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Mr. Pivinski's letter to the Coaster Ellen,, I have just received a copy of a letter, Of Heels and Healing, Frank D'Alessandro requested you publish. It surprises me that you continue to promote his negativity in the press. Freedom of speech entails responsibility and it is difficult to scour even a semblance of that in his diatribes posing as letters of concern. I find the facts he presents too skewed by nasty overtones with blame being flung everywhere. Perhaps if the facts were given factually and without the overdramatic flair of a bad actor, they would garner more legitimate attention. And as for healing, all I read was about a heel that prefers crushing to promoting cooperation. It is no small wonder why our School District is in disarray. It will be a great day when persons whose agendas are the richness and well being of the children become the Board members. Until then, we can only hope and pray that the pain of banging one's head against the stone wall will hurt enough to consider stopping the masochistic behavior. Tom My flippant response: Thank God for freedom of speech and the press! Tom's right about my acting ability. It stinks. As far as overdramatic, what do you expect? I'm a Scorpio and of Sicilian descent--that's a double whammy! Surely Luigi Pirandello would understand, even if Tom doesn't. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A big fan of Pivinski here!
Not sure where you got your geology and earth-science degree Tom, but that's such an oversimplifed view of the not-so long term impacts of global warming. I'd also love to understand the logic that says we can cut down so many billions of acres of trees worldwide and pump so much fossil feul exhaust into the atmosphere and it has no impact on the health of the planet. That is just not a logical and rationale argument. Article today in either the NY times or USA Today (or both) on the reduction in food worldwide caused by global climate change in key growing areas around the world. Those hurt are the poorest of the poor, who are seeing far more drought. So much for your argument - unless you meant those poor folks who would benefit are in Greenland and Siberia. They're not really who come to mind when I think of the world's disadvantaged. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack I admire liberals - when they're doing it right. The folks of the past - Thurgood, Martin, Bobby, they all focused on people - improving the lot of the less fortunate. If that's liberalism, then I'm down with the cause. Today's liberalism is all trees and animals. That would be great if we solved all the people problems. Until then, they're doing it wrong. As for Global Warming, it's really hard for me to concentrate on it, what with me being so busy burying all these folks who died from Bird Flu, not to mention I'm still recovering from that Y2K disaster. I've studied it. The science for human causation isn't there, particularly when compared to natrual whether patterns. Consider this too: So what if happens? It isn't the end of the world, it's a shift in access to world resources. Look at a globe. Do you think it's a coincidence that the world's most well off people live between latitudes 30 and 45? Temperate weather drives success - from food growth to manufacturing with available resources. So let's say the earth shifts and then traditionally disadvantaged people suddenly have the advantage of temperate whether and access to water and resources they didn't have before. Something wrong with that, or do you feel entitled to the benefits of the status quo? It would be a bad thing in your book if the disadvantaged suddenly become the advantaged? Sounds biblical. I recall something about the meek inheriting the earth. If the earth warms if isn't because if us; its natural. All America can do is plan on being in the best postion she can be to fight the wars that will natrually occur should access to resources change. Go USA. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Tommy, When you make pathetic comments like Go save a fricken polar bear it really shows off your ugly side, and it's not very flattering. I blows my mind how a person who I imagine to be quite intelligent somehow makes it a crime to be a liberal, and even worse to care about the world we live in. In your world view, you can only see your lifespan, and it's obvious from your attitude. You could care less about the people to follow in our footsteps. If anything, I hope you have a long life, long enough to actually see the suffering brought about by the excesses of today. Of course, it's highly likely that you are just another global warming armchair expert, who thinks Al Gore is BS and all the science is wrong. Sad indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Well Paul if Asbury Park is truly multi-cultural, then we are certainly going to have people who look at things differently (otherwise we aren't diverse, are we?). You and I look at Pivinski differently. Just to set the record straight, I vigorously supported Tom and voted for him. I applaud his sense of civic responsibility, Relax Frank. Just because I stuck up for against Pivinski this one time doesn't mean people will think you and I are somehow together and aligned against him. You're reputation's safe. I don't join cliques. I'm a solo act. I supported Tom Piviniski for Board of Education. I did so because he stopped me on the street and told me he was interested in doing somehting about the State Sponsored Segregation of the High School, and issue I've raised constantly. Of course since being eleted, he hasn't said boo about it (niether have you by the way). What is wrong with today's liberal activists? In the 40's, 50's and 60's these people focused on saving people - minority rights. Today? They focus on trees and whales.
