Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Trader Joe's
Last I heard the redeveloper was trying to put them into the old A&P (or whatever it was); wasn't a done deal but the Gale group are real developers, Belmar is a solid location and the town knows it needs to act. Skip Bernstein 732-542-2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://AirJersey.com http://adogsbreakfast.com - Original Message - From: dfsavgny To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Trader Joe's --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard about, a year ago, that Trader Joe's was opening in Belmar. > > Skip Bernstein > 732-542-2688 > Kudos to Belmar. Although that is not listed as one of their future sites. However the comoany is very secretive.
Re: [AsburyPark] Trader Joe's
I heard about, a year ago, that Trader Joe's was opening in Belmar. Skip Bernstein 732-542-2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://AirJersey.com http://adogsbreakfast.com - Original Message - From: dfsavgny To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Trader Joe's I am trying to get a Trader Joe's in AP. A long shot. Would bring a lot of people into the city. I don;t know if you have ever been to one. You can make a location request on their website (www.traderjoes.com). Give it a try. I have put the city on the case.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Lump in my throat
Better yet, take out your cell and call 911 Skip Bernstein 732-542-2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://AirJersey.com http://adogsbreakfast.com - Original Message - From: dfsavgny To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Lump in my throat --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But that's just it... this is a form of terrorism. You don't need the > actual terrorist act to occur before the terrorism works. Take back the streets. You own them. You chase criminals out by simply being on the street. Don't away turn when you see something suspicious. Look, take note, walk away and call the police. Be aware of your surroundings. Look 4 ways around you. There can only be so many police. They need extra eyes.
Re: [AsburyPark] Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?
Here's another former Asbury team. http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Move_Squires.htm Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://adogsbreakfast.com - Original Message - From: arhythmick To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park? I stumbled upon the fact that there used to be a semi-pro basketball team by the name of the Jersey Shorecats of the USBL who played their home games at Convention Hall. It seems they disbanded around 2001 and part of the reason a new owner didn't step up was because of the state of the Convention Hall facility (no locker rooms for one thing). Does anyone have any info on this team? Does anyone think it would be fun to try to get a new team to play here? I am attaching the article here...The Asbury Park-based New Jersey ShoreCats professional basketball franchise has suspended operations and will not field a team this season, president and part-owner Spiro Michals said yesterday. Michals and his father, George, majority owners of the team, said they want to get out of the day-to-day basketball business to concentrate on other family ventures and have been trying to sell the team for several months. Spiro Michals said several groups expressed interest in buying the 3-year-old United States Basketball League franchise, but a deal couldn't be worked out before the USBL season begins in late April."We do have someone interested in buying the franchise. The problem that was hanging us up was convincing them to stay in Asbury," he said. "They're still interested in buying the franchise and I think they're interested in bringing it back here, but I'm not sure." Spiro Michals said his family would be willing to remain as part-owners if they were not required to run the team. The ShoreCats played approximately 15 games a year at Asbury Park Convention Hall. Several prospective buyers were disappointed that Convention Hall has no locker rooms or shower facilities. Since the team's inception, the city and ShoreCats had discussed sharing the cost of upgrading the facility by adding showers and locker rooms, but never reached an agreement. The ShoreCats were considered one of the most stable and successful franchises in the 16-year-old USBL, which plays from late April to early July. Attendance has been steadily shrinking, however, since the team averaged about 2,000 fans per game in its debut season in 1998, with NBA Hall of Famer Rick Barry as coach. When Barry left to coach another USBL team last season, the ShoreCats averaged fewer than 1,000 fans despite posting a franchise-best 20-12 record. According to Spiro Michals, the team hovered around profitability despite the reduced attendance.Jersey ShoreCats basketball franchise to disband Former Shorecats coach NBA Hall of Famer Rick BarryBut when he compared the small return on investment with the amount of time and effort required to keep the team at or near profitability, Michals said, he couldn't justify keeping the ShoreCats when similar efforts in the family's other businesses -- which include publishing, online and other ventures -- bring much better returns."I loved hanging around with the players and the coaches and all the hype with Rick Barry was great," Michals said. 'It's just unfortunate that to have those two months of great times, you work your tail off for 10 months just to get to a small measure of profitability. I'm not sorry we tried. The team still has a strong sponsor base even today. I got a ton of calls this year from people looking for tickets and group things. "Unfortunately, we just don't have the time and energy to put into running the team." Mike Sweet, general manager of the USBL's Pennsylvania ValleyDawgs and the former ShoreCats director of scouting, said the league hopes the ShoreCats will be back next year."It's disappointing to the league, because we did feel it was a very good franchise -- from Day 1, when it opened, up to last year," he said. "I know the league is disappointed. We really liked the area and the group." BACK TO HEADLINESLong Island Surf Home Page __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional
[AsburyPark] Re: Question -- see the hulks
"Am I having a flashback from my LSD days? Is the Casino, CH, pavilions rebuilt but I only see hulks?" Nah, it's not the LSD. But should anyone walk down to the waterfront, the hulks on display are what the city's gonna get from this Master Con-Artist. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tom Consider these
" Consider these from him (only since yesterday!): ...You have a penchant for compensate for incompetence or ignorance... didn't seem to remember their courses in documentation and ethics... ...Tommy, Poster Boy intellectual flabbiness... cagey lawyer Physician, heal thyself. And reverends, pray for more self knowledge you just don't understand complex thought or nuance " Yeah, I saw it right away, Mario left out "you doth protest too much". Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] and some think Canada Geeses are a problem
This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, Trout Run, Pennsylvania. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have
[AsburyPark] Fish playing his cards
" the time has past for the Fish playing his cards close to the vest. We need a clear strategy, solid partners with resources and an accountable timeline that establishes confidence - critically important given the state and history of the town, the questionable economy and the track record of missed commitments and information "black hole" associated with Asbury Partners." If Larry couldn't do it during the hottest market in history; what makes you think he'll do anything now? His Hiroshima aesthetic looks increasingly as though it has legs, either till council wakes up and puts his feet to the fire, or the next 26 years. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://standraise.corp.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://standraise.corp.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Larry's brother -- Ridkid004 ATTACKS!
"Somehow, I doubt it was you...but if it was, you are a bit too on the weird side for me. Jack" Lenny agrees: "From: "ridkid004" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Ridkid004 ATTACKS! hey its the kingpin LOSER...you are just bummin because you will never get it your way!!! you lose every battle and you always will...ha ha ha...how does it feel LOSER? nobody listens to poor skip...boo hoo" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Ridkid004 ATTACKS!
It was me; I've got this weird sense of humor Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://AirJersey.comhttp://JerseyShoreRocks.com - Original Message - From: dfsavgny To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Ridkid004 ATTACKS! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> So, nobody even mentioned an opinion about the email Ridkid004 sent me, so I guess the > general thought is he/she/it doesn't matter and I should ignore him/her/other.> I read on here previously that it's actually a "Lenny Fishman"> Is this true?> Could be but I think it was in jest. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: From the Asbury Partners' Fan Club
"..and the asbury partners are a big part of that...you on the other hand my friend are an ass.. I suggest ridkid's standards are too low." Ridkid is Larry's younger brother Lenny Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Radio's Tour -- caught up in semantics
However from your post it seems that Kushner would be unable to order this. Wasn't the palace removed before Kushner closed on the property? You guys are getting caught up in semantics; though Kushner isnt party to the agreement and unable to order anything from the city, Larry would sell his 1st born to do a deal. Therefore, if Kushner says nuke everything, the Partners only argument would be over who pays for the bomb. Skip Bernstein - Original Message - From: Allan Peterson To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Radio's Tour of Westminster's Wesley Grove I knew that Asbury Radio was talking about the Palace Carousel house. From the site: "However, we could not help but note the added value the 1888 Carousel House, which Westminster owner Charles Kushner ordered the city to demolish, would have added to the majestic view." If it the statement is true I apologize. However from your post it seems that Kushner would be unable to order this. Wasn't the palace removed before Kushner closed on the property? . __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: State of AP Partners construction sites
"Regarding the weather proofing, that is a significant issue. The exterior shell should have been weather proofed a long time ago. Wood exposed to the wet conditions we have had will develop mold, fungus and mildew problems." It's just part of the master developer's aesthetic to age the project by developing a bit of a patina on the exterior. Even a hideous design will look better with age. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: State of AP Partners construction sites
"question is: why is the construction of the condos moving so slowly, if at all?" The market's blown; The Fishman was too greedy and has failed to deliver on oral promises to his sub-developers. Result, only the cheapest units sold, conditionally, and the sub-d's now sit hoping for the market to change; we've been here before. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tommy DeSeno Is he better -- I think not.
" Tommy's article is over for me when he states that he is a fan of the Fishman brothers. will take him at his word, sometimes I question if he really believes what he writes or does he do it simply to get a reaction. This isn't the first time, and it won't be the last, that Tommy is wrong. The simple fact of the matter is that the Baronet is a 1913 Art Deco theatre. I don't think we have anymore of those in town. Have we not lost enough? Have we learned nothing? Tommy D, you're better than that article." On this board I think Dan to be one of our best contributors and I give great weight to his opinions, statements and observations; but on DeSeno he is wrong, excepting for Tom's love of The Fishman. However, that infatuation is primarily mercenary; Tom bought a unit in the Grant last year, hence if Larry's greedy deal succeeds Tom's purchase looks a comparative bargain. I've experienced Tom DeSeno (aka bluebishop82) in various modes during the last 4 or 5 years; I believe Tom to possibly be bright but clearly a hard working guy of little imagination, surprisingly narrowly defined interests, aesthetics, socialization and any capacity for empathetic understanding and growth. His writings reflect this analysis, to my surprise his behavior in court, he is a lawyer, is a repetition of his prose. In both written and, even more so, oral argument, he is consistent only in having failed to learn when to shut up. Tom writes not to stir thought or debate but to release demons, which still possess him; as the last of the Neanderthals, my apologies to those people, he provides proof that not all dinosaurs are dead. Having appeared against him once in court, I can attest that his oral argument is equally thoughtless, illogical and pointless as are his writings. He's managed to convince himself that he's of the spirit or lineage of "daughters of the American Revolution" despite being of Italian immigrant stock; he's most comfortable with fellows of the extreme right of the Republican Party, despite that party's recent disavowal of the Hitler youth and other extreme trappings of the fascist period. Obviously high energy searching for an outlet; initially he thought it law, has given us way too much of his short diversion as writer and now haunts the Republican Party believing himself to be the 2nd coming of Christ. Curiously, for a guy trapped in antiquity, he has no appreciation for things old, is infatuated by the trappings of today's consumerism and becomes quite aroused at the prospect of meeting his dream machinethe biggest, baddest, most fuel guzzling of monster trucks. Is he better than his most recent regurgitation on" the paper that [wishes it] cares"? I think not. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why my heart is breaking - there has to be a way
"I keep thinking there has to be a way to make it in APs best interests to get this redevelopment going quicker." Council signed the deal, has forgone enforcing terms favorable to the city's "best interest" and has been re-elected on this basis; the only recourse left is 3 years away (the next election). Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why my heart is breaking in Asbury
"So is Asbury Partners actively looking for builders to take on these properties? Paramount has 5 city blocks with 5 phases coming...Metro has several and so does Westminster. These will not happen at the same time though. Each builder will be doing one phase at a time. Does anyone know what Asbury partners' plan is quickly to develop the rest of the area?" They're looking for the proverbial "sucker born every minute". You have fallen for the myth that Asbury Partners are developers; they're real estate speculators and although I've no problem with speculation, I do have a problem with those who counseled this council into selling the rights to build 3000 waterfront condos, worth $375 million (Larry's price in 2004) plus $18,000/unit infra structure plus 7% of the final selling price, for $12 million (only half in cash) and structured the deal as an option to buy or blight at 2001 prices for 30 years. Knowing the history of the advisers, the only question I have is why this has not been challenged as a fraud against the citizens of Asbury? Reflection on this sorry bit of dealing unavoidably points to how we prefer to conduct business in this state; we pay to play. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Baronet vote tonight
Fishman has the option of waiting another 26 years before taking; that's land banking. How does that benefit Asbury and how does a country which once held tea parties in response to taxation without representation tolerate such theft? Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://AirJersey.comhttp://JerseyShoreRocks.com - Original Message - From: Allan Peterson To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Baronet vote tonight Let's not mix issues. Fasano should not be given a building in the redevelopment zone because he is liked and Fishman is not. I do not agree with land banking. I believe that the redevelopment agreement states that if a property is taken, progress must be made within 1 year. Property should not be stuck in limbo but that is the fault of those who agreed upon this agreement. Sad but true, Fishman has every right to take advantage.Skip Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]ks.com> wrote: " the building should be saved. My issue is Fasano only paid around500 for the Baronet years after the redevelopment agreement. I amsure you would agree even the building as is when he purchased but wasexcluded from redevelopment would have gone for more. I also wouldnot like to see the city give away more in the form of building heightso that Fasano could this building and property for such a price."Curious, is your "issue" broad enough to cause you any concern for thefact that Fishman has not a development agreement but a land bankingagreement, which forces owners of lands in the "blighted" zone another26 years to pay carrying costs and realty taxes, until at the optionof Larry, to then be forced to sell at a price less than Fasano's? Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Baronet vote tonight
" the building should be saved. My issue is Fasano only paid around 500 for the Baronet years after the redevelopment agreement. I am sure you would agree even the building as is when he purchased but was excluded from redevelopment would have gone for more. I also would not like to see the city give away more in the form of building height so that Fasano could this building and property for such a price." Curious, is your "issue" broad enough to cause you any concern for the fact that Fishman has not a development agreement but a land banking agreement, which forces owners of lands in the "blighted" zone another 26 years to pay carrying costs and realty taxes, until at the option of Larry, to then be forced to sell at a price less than Fasano's? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic light on corner of Deal Lake Drive and Park Ave
"And, it's dangerous since it prompts people to blast on thru in an effort to run the light. I saw a State Police Car and cop..." Fix it? Why? Long light cycles, where there's no need for traffic lights, are more profitable than parking meters as a source of revenue. Christ, Asbury's finest are ticketing Jay Walkers for crossing the street to go home. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Monmouth County Deptpartment of Health Fact Sheet
" Canada geese populations, observed at many locations including municipal parks, recreational fields and corporate centers, are disseminating parasites called Giardia spp. cysts." This is a phenomenon of population boom; great densities of geese bring an unwanted bonus of disease and pestilence, when in balance with predators and food supply this rarely happens. Another of Canada's residents, the beaver, is similarly afflicted when out of it natural balance; nature's answer in that case is "beaver fever", which similarly slows beaver reproduction and can infect humans who drink water used by those so infected. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how 'bout them Mets?
` the boardwalk. I asked what she though of the redevelopment going on, pavilions, color choices, etc. Her answer - "It Looks Retarded"' Certainly what she meant was developmentally, creatively and skills challenged, financially and economically depressed. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] perspective
A bit of perspective http://www.care2.com/ecards/p/8020-3532-10346-2209 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ** Male Type A Dominant Bigots! **
"Welcome back Stevie Boy!" >From here on in, to be known as Svetlana. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless -- Canada -- nay, the American goose
" we can start a manufactoring mega corporation spin off a wholesale to retail outlet business and become a For profit doing non profit work." Can't "you people" take anything seriously? I put a lot of work, and deep thought, into what I thought a serious answer to, one today's critical problems, the aesthetic and economic blight wrought by, what some in this group will surely describe as one of god's creations, the American goose. If you'll not take my work seriously I may have to waste my efforts elsewhere. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Goose Redux
"You see the irony is what they need to do is get Louie to get the geese to stop doing this shit and it's all over... (with mouth full of bread) Yeah ...I felt like telling dubie to call, to get on the phone to mog and make something happen." Isn't it clear, whether dining open-mouthed or not, that it is dubie who's full of shit; I suggest various community groups look for a character wearing an air force one jacket as the source of feces in their parks? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless -- Canada Goose
"You see, the thing is, what they need to do is to get Louie to get the geese to stop doing this shit and it's over." Mario, One Yorkie does not effective predation make. Oh, and you're welcome for the sweater, I spun the fur from Yorkie brushings. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Homeless -- Canada Goose
" a post from "mog" (man of god?) I say he is full of Canada Goose shit (currently a hot topic in another group)." As a dual citizen of Canada and the US, I am perhaps overly sensitive to the ease and frequency with which Americans belittle the `great white north'. Of particular note, and I suspect primary cause, the near daily bitching about the Canada Goose (Branta Canadensis/ Bernache du Canada), which is native to the Great Plains and due to its mimicry of the Snow Bunting's (Plectrophenax nivalis) yen for travel combined with its affinity for abusing the hospitality of its hosts; has become by both residency and sheer numbers, the American Goose. The Canada (aka American) Goose is unique in being non-migratory, in comparison to the other subspecies; therefore so long as its adopted neighbors insist on creating ideal habitat, lush freshly mown lawns accompanied by lakes and ponds, and an absence of significant predation, they'll not leave. I find this particularly ironic in light of recent fears expressed re Mexican migration, which this government seems to think the building of walls will rectify; to stop geese will require the addition of a roof. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] skip and steve holier than thou message board
"This is not the 1st time steve bombarded this list with his nonsensical mantra. Skip is the same way. Somehow, Skip took off from here for a long while, no posts, until steve pricked his interest. Now we basically have the skip and steve holier than thou message board. So again I ask all the new folks who have just started posting (discussing)and those of us who have been keeping this board going, to try not to let the getorphos, steves and skips of the internet chase you away or dissuade you from joining in the discussions of asbury park." There I was worried that some of my writing might go over the heads of members of this group; thanks to the traderdubie I now know my work to be no different from Steve's and like his is holier than though. This comes as news to me, for in my mind I simply point out inconsistencies, sloppy reasoning and the writing which follows. Thanks now to the dubie one, I now know that I need not think before I write, rather simply trust in the sanctity of my good thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Signs, Signs -- repeating a mantra
"Can a solution be worked out to address AP's resident homeless problem, yes. But that is more complex and requires a change in state laws (as Keady pointed out)." I wonder if homelessness is separable from other social issues that plague this country and whether solution doesn't lie at the heart of our greater political system. What lies at the root of a great and powerful country not tackling minimum standards of health care, education, livable wages, real and verifiable national security, energy independence and a process for true democratic representation? Simply repeating a mantra of we're the greatest, don't make it so. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What's a "Deud"
"I doubt it. Anti-Semites are rarely prone to allude to the Hebrew Bible (too dangerously close to the Covenant); they'd rather have massive orgasms anticipating the Rapture and Armageddon." Took a shot; however, think you're on the money. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What's a "Deud"
`What's a "Deud," dude?'
It's a biblical quote; you know Saint Steve's love of all things
biblical. Of course, due to our patronizing saint's difficulty
spelling and constructing sentences, he fucked up; what he meant to
type is "deuts", biblical slang for those who follow the teachings of
the book of Deuteronomy.
Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Hebrew Bible. It is part of
Judaism's Torah - the first segment of the Tanakh. It later became
part of Christianity's Old Testament. Its Hebrew name is Devarim
דברים
("words"), which comes from the opening phrase "Eleh ha-devarim"
("These are the words..."). The term can also stretch to mean
"discourses" or "talks", as is generally the case with the Greek word
"logos".
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[AsburyPark] Steve -- Get some help man --You silly bastard
"ME, materialistic? Hah, you REALLY don't know me!" You silly bastard; you're reading and responding to your own words I quoted. Help thyself before attempting to help others; silly, juvenile ass. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rules -- our spiritual leader has left us
`And without having to deal with rude & Vulgar people like Skip Bernstein, whose behavior is just short of being identical with that of an average "Pit Bull"! I wish you all luck, despite our differences, but uncivil people don't belong in Public Sites! So, with my utmost wishes of good luck, go do your thing, because that type of thinking and forced "Compliance" to only your views doesn't Belong in a "Public Group"! By the way, I got 23 private E-Mails of approval as to my views, and 20 were afraid to post on the "Public" Group, for fear of retaliation! Skip Bernstein came out of that the most mentioned as the rudest and most abrasive person, with "No Values"!' Does this mean our spiritual leader has left us? Who'll carry the torch for the criminally insane, the shelter challenged, the naked and unfed, and not least of all the geese? Our grand wizard, or goose, has left this group unattended; who'll fill his webbed shoes and stand guard for the flock? Say it ain't so. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve -- Get some help man
"You're the biggest Freak IN here and in Asbury Park, and only those like you, approve of your selfish and 100% materialistic and Bigoted views! As far as being "Happy", I have never even seen you smile, or laugh, since you've BEEN here in town!" Steve, Steve, Steve; why do you hate so? You nearly had me convinced you were the second coming of Christ, or a rework of another loose cannon who formerly haunted these pages, "man of god"; however, your incessant attacks on everything, justified by quotations of biblical text, paint you as a non-thinking stooge all too happy when howling at the moon. Get some help man; you need it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interlaken -- goose pate
" about 2 weeks ago the town of Interlaken rounded up, transported, and gassed about 75 geese that hung around Deal Lake Deterrents for the geese include vegetation, small fences, and the biggest deterrent is a no-feeding ordinance. Interlaken has done none of these simple and humane measures." The solution to this problem is obvious; round them all up and move them into the Market Street Mission. In one fell stroke we would rid Interlaken, Loch Arbor and Asbury of an aesthetic and health problem, gain support from the public for this dubious development, create local jobs with introduction of a new industry and provide both the poor and gourmets an interesting new source of protein. Hell, with clever marketing, Asbury might one day be known worldwide for its great goose pate. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Rules of Yahoo -- the right moment
"Any chance that you'd give it another try (i.e., Start a moderated group)? Maybe this is the right moment." Was there ever a moment so right? I second the request; however, the task is gargantuan when a moderator must deal with the endless, pointless and picayune meanderings of a self promoting people's protector and religious zealot like Saint Steve. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve -- the same nut job
"Clearly you are Two Well Matched Psychotics!" Is this the same nut job, with the persecution complex, who complains incessantly (with all-caps, excessive capitalization, endlessly larger fonts [apparently a measure of his rage], improper quotes and abominable grammar) that he is victim of defamation by any who find his rants objectionable? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] trembling of the firmament
Following Saint Steve's warnings from on high, I've been trying to keep my head down to avoid the inevitable trembling of the firmament, and unleashing of fire and brimstone; so far little appears to have occurred outside of the return of July's heat and humidity. Can anyone advise whether it's now safe to come out and return to normal activities? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ** Those Who Hurt the Weak Will be Punished! **
"This government will be like no government this world has ever known. Judges will judge righteously. There will be justice. No more dirty politics where the strong can oppress the weak or the rich can oppress the poor. Isaih 32:1 (1-5) (This is What is Happening in sbury Park NOW!)" I thought these characters rested on the Sabbath; oh well, here are a few more words from on high. "Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why For if the children of Israel were to multiply Why must any of the children die? So he asked the Lord And the Lord said: Man means nothing, he means less to me Than the lowliest cactus flower Or the humblest Yucca tree He chases round this desert 'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be That's why I love mankind I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee >From the squalor and the filth and the misery How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me That's why I love mankind The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV They picked their four greatest priests And they began to speak They said, "Lord, a plague is on the world Lord, no man is free The temples that we built to you Have tumbled into the sea Lord, if you won't take care of us Won't you please, please let us be?" And the Lord said And the Lord said I burn down your cities-how blind you must be I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we You all must be crazy to put your faith in me That's why I love mankind You really need me That's why I love mankind" God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind) Lyrics Artist(Band):Randy Newman Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] How's this Werner
"Seems that we can not change the subject line in any substantial way once a thread is started. Anyone figure out how to do that ?" Just change the "subject" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] gang banging Steve and other imagined insults
"Many People realizewhat you're doing in here but many are scared to voice their opinion, exactlybecause of how I was "Gang Banged" and lied about (In the case ofgutless Skip Bernstein) in here." Congratulations Steve, were it not already evident to some, your latest ranting ought erase any doubts that you are a perfect fool. I haven't a clue how I managed to "gang bang" you, perhaps you'll clarify this statement; while at it maybe you will define or describe why it is you think me "gutless"? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ** Stand Up For Asbury Using Lies Intentionally to Gain Support! **
"He is an anti-Semite. Follow some of his back posts on Jewish conspiracy to control AP. He is confusing the issue of opposition to the shelter with forcing Afro-Americans out of AP." Anti-Semite, anti-social, loner hoping to recast himself as a latter day Christ in a vain attempt to curry favor, be noticed or gain notoriety, to overcome severe pangs of uselessness following the loss of the sole anchor to his self image, his former career as computer geek. Things could be worse; his endless writing of inane bitching and complaint, manages to keep him off the streets, Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury
"You have made repeated unsubstantiated claims here that what you describe as RICH people are ousting the poor out of AP and in society in general. You have also made the claim that RICH people do not pay their fair share of taxes. I make my own party. For much of my life I have been what can be loosely described a a "liberal." Are there ills in a capitalistic society? Sure. Is everything the fault of those in the upper income brackets? No. Your views are obsolete. While it is difficult to get out of urban, minority poverty, it is possible and there is plenty of help available. All the money in the world is not going to get a person out who merely wants a handout. I have lived and worked my entire life in racially-mixed, urban environments. I don't have that white, suburban fear of minorities. I have ridden the subways my entire life to work and for the most part, being white, I was the minority. I know that the vast majority of "minorities" are upstanding, working citizens. It is only a very small percentage of minorities in poor urban areas that some in white America use as their perspective for minorities as a whole." Steve is an angry displaced person, unable to earn a living in his former field of endeavor, he has recast himself as a born-again protector of others that society in its perpetual process of rediscovery, has similarly shortchanged. He carries a lot of baggage from the experience of being downgraded; this presents as a strong bias, even hatred of those who've not suffered his pain. Rather than attempt to deal, understand or engage him in his endless list of societal ills; you would all do well to ignore the ranting of this very ill person. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased - Why is it
`"I prefer to go to an area of high accident occurrences and strictly enforce the traffic law between 911 calls to help curb future accidents and it works. Yet, the blanket statements you made like "it does put pressure on officers at certain times to charge people they KNOW didn't do anything wrong" reflect badly upon all police officers. Regarding all police officers in a negative light due to a couple of negative experiences "' Why is it that enforcement appears to be strictest not where danger lurks but rather where "fish in the barrel" are known to congregate; why is it that DWI checks rarely, if ever, catch police officers known to become impaired at the same bars as other citizens; why it that ticketing and the ballooning revenues generated appear to be issued primarily for infractions that are easily metered or calibrated rather than the more difficult tail-gating, sleeping in the passing lanes, or reading, writing and applying makeup while behind the wheel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer Agreements - the Article
Square Feet In Major Projects, Agreeing Not to Disagree The Jerde Partnership An artist's rendering of NoHo Commons, a mixed-use project in North Hollywood. Article Tools Sponsored By By TERRY PRISTIN Published: June 14, 2006 To blunt opposition to its proposed Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn, Forest City Ratner promised to make half of the rental units affordable for low- and moderate-income families. To gain neighbors' support for its new cancer care center, Yale-New Haven Hospital agreed to create an outreach program for children with asthma. And to smooth the way for its Gateway Center retail project, which will replace the Bronx Terminal Market, the Related Companies pledged to bar Wal-Mart as a tenant. In New York and around the country, it has become standard practice for developers of major projects to negotiate with neighborhood and other groups to forge so-called community benefits agreements contracts that almost always contain wage and hiring goals and may also include a grab bag of concessions, like a day care center, a new park, free tickets to sports events and cash outlays to be administered by the groups themselves. In New York, in contrast with many other jurisdictions, the city itself is not a party to these agreements. Theoretically, at least, the pacts are not supposed to play a role in the city's zoning review process. Since 2001, when a comprehensive community benefits agreement was struck for a hotel-and-entertainment project now being developed in Los Angeles next to the Staples Center sports arena, the trend has quickly spread to other cities, including Denver, Milwaukee, Chicago and Washington. Advocates of C.B.A.'s, as they are known, see them as an outgrowth of the Smart Growth movement the idea that development decisions should address a broad range of social and economic issues like transportation, jobs and housing. In New York, however, some critics are wondering if this trend is threatening to distort the planning process. They say the danger is that local groups will agree not to oppose the projects in exchange for favors that may be unrelated to the project's impact on the neighborhood. Critics of the Atlantic Yards (whose developer is a partner to The New York Times Company in its new headquarters building on Eighth Avenue) and other agreements have questioned whether the groups signing the document really speak for the community. "Groups pop up and you're not sure who they represent," said Patricia A. Jones, the co-chairwoman of the Manhattan Community Board 9 task force on Columbia University's expansion in Manhattanville. Ms. Jones contends that development plans ought to be reviewed by community boards, which are currently excluded from the C.B.A. process, before the benefits are meted out. "They can look at the bigger picture," she said. Ross F. Moskowitz, a real estate partner at the law firm Stroock & Stroock & Lavan, said developers would like the procedures to be clearer and more predictable. "The danger of a C.B.A. is that it is outside the process," he said. "There are no guidelines, no controls. The transparency is not there. You just don't know what you're walking into." In California, leaders of the community benefits movement say New York's agreements lack the protections that are standard elsewhere. "In the C.B.A.'s we work on," said Julian Gross, the legal director of the California Partnership for Working Families, an advocacy group that has negotiated a number of agreements, "the city is closely involved in the negotiations. There's no point in the community group and the developer negotiating a lot of stuff that the city doesn't want." Outside New York, benefit agreements are usually incorporated into the developer's agreement with the city, adding another layer of enforcement. The local redevelopment agency was "intimately involved" in the C.B.A. that J. H. Snyder, a Los Angeles developer, negotiated for NoHo Commons, a 1.5-million-square-foot mixed-use project centered on a subway stop in North Hollywood, said Clifford Goldstein, a senior partner. "It's a very open process," said Mr. Goldstein, who is currently working on another C.B.A. for a project in South Los Angeles. Carl Weisbrod, the president of Trinity Real Estate in New York, said that the government should be involved in any agreement that pertained to a subsidized project to ensure that "the services and the organizations that are being given money to provide the services are fully in keeping with government priorities." There are signs that Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's administration is rethinking its position on community benefits agreements. A year ago, it was the mayor himself who trumpeted the Atlantic Yards agreement between Forest City Ratner and eight community groups. But in April, the mayor reacted angrily to the suggestion that the Mets would negotiate a C.B.A. for its new ballpark. "Every development project in this city is not going to be a horn of pl
[AsburyPark] Re: Today's press - Madison gets it?
"Larry has had his hands up his ass for 4 years. Good to see they consider the historic buildings as assets, but they better be substantially completed before 2010. I am put off by the big COULD be operating by 2010. As to free beaches, let Asbury Partners/Marquette front the money to the city and the get it back from the retailers. some would want Partners to maintain the beach then. That's a problem (city jobs). Plus we have seen how they maintain things, and if they do, they'll start thinking they own the beach too. How about residents and homeowners get on the beach free and everybody else pays?" Larry's hands have been very busy milking every nickel in site; if he now considers the historic buildings an asset; I suggest it's only for the short term next few years after which he faces major expenditures to restore that which he knows not what to do with. After which be on the lookout for a provident outbreak of fire, which will maximize his assets. As to free beaches (and parking), Asbury needs the draw; keep it free till demand threatens availability then revisit price. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Homeless Shelter
"I don't think anyone suggests that we shirk our social responsibility. What it is however is an overload on the city. More importantly, many of these services start shipping clients into the facilities. It is one thing to take care of your own town's problem, and even pick up some of the outside area's problems, but it is another to become a dumping ground." Doesn't this issue owe its existence to the colossal failure of our courts, policing and system of incarceration? In almost every instance the courts exist to tax those caught breaking any one of an ever growing list of societal taboos; everything from child predation to the nickel and diming of parking meters, speed traps, drinking and driving, which now includes operating a bicycle and ever more ludicrous acts which share one thing in common. How much money can judge and prosecutor extract from the fool before them? Clearly this has proven profitable for government treasuries but at an ever growing cost of greater disrespect for the courts. NIMBY is part of this but the greater problem is the failure of sentencing to address the ill health of those caught; shipping them further down the road is akin to sticking your head more deeply in the sand. Why not insist government clean its own house and deal with societal problems? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Finally - Someone "Gets It"
Allen, what makes you think The Fishman has any interest in the feelings of Asbury's residents? This is a "smash and grab" development; The Fish's soul intent is to maximize his return on a thirty year option to grab property at 2001 prices; even if he had the talent or skills necessary to realize greater profit through additional spending, that's not a game he knows, so he safely plays the one he's good at "robber baron". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Got it: If It's Really Expensive, We'll Take It
"People who can spend $6 million or $7 million are still spending it. There is word that a property in Avalon went for $9 million in cash" What point would there be in conspicuous consumption if suddenly those consuming conspicuously were to have their whims denied by the market forces that dictate mass behavior? The needs fulfilled by the purchases of the very wealthy have virtually nothing to do with such plebeian needs as safety, hunger or shelter; rather, they fulfill the ego's need to fly in the face of that which limits or constrains "everyman". For the ruling class, the spending of money is proof positive of superiority; therefore, what better time to buy than when most fear or can no longer afford to borrow? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Al Faiella - This is the Sort that AP Does Business with
"This was a person that even in 2002 the city should have known it should not be dealing with. To make matters worse, his friends in government only contiued to defend him." I hate being unnecessarily positive, particularly when it comes to Fishy business; however, ya gotta give Faiella some credit here, after all, how many divorced couples do any of us know that continue to live together for the sake of their children Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[AsburyPark] Re: Memorial day from AP partners...
"But what do you do when they see the condition of the waterfront buildings? Sure, sounds like sour grapes, but all this stuff is cheap compared to the PROMISED restoration of the buildings which should have been well on its way by now. THAT would do more good for this city than fireworks and face painting." Paramount is asking themselves the very same question; I have it from an excellent source that Paramount has joined Metro in disbelief at their gullibility believing Larry's promises to restore and improve the waterfront. The Fish's deceit, greed and incompetence leave his sub developers with the nightmare of convincing buyers that all is well and one day (somewhere in the next 25 years) "a new day" will indeed arrive at the waterfront; meanwhile the market cools and few if any of the presales are binding on buyers. You want fireworks; that day may soon be at hand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
"When Mr. Keady cited an obvious flaw in Asbury's eminent domain procedures, confirmed in later public discussion, he was shouted down. Is harshly a word?" Sure, in a harsh or unkind manner or maybe you would prefer impolite, impolitic or nasty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> You can search right from your browser? It¿s easy and it¿s free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: looking at yourself in the mirror
one more thing: "This list will act as a forum for people who are interested in Asbury Park, NJ." We all qualify. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: looking at yourself in the mirror
"My point is that you are a nut and a trouble maker who does not live in Asbury.." From: "ridkid005" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:11 PM How is it that you who have no name, identity or membership get to determine who may or may not contribute to this board, and what special talent have you to call anyone nut, troublemaker or unworthy of expressing opinions? Does freedom of speech stop at Asbury's borders, and if it does what gives you rights any greater than others? Indeed nameless one, how are we to know if a coward who contributes, sans name, is resident of Asbury, Monmouth County, the State or this country? I'll make this easy for you; I'm indeed a troublemaker, so what? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] looking at yourself in the mirror
"Did you ever live in Asbury Skip? You really are a nut!!! Nothing but a trouble maker.. How can you even look at yourself in the mirror everyday?" "ridkid005" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] And your point is? Tell us, what would a "rid kid" look like in '05, have you a name, an identity, are you a member or merely one more gutless jackass, free to criticize from the cover of anonymity? If you wish to communicate with adults, try asking a question, taking a position, think of something to say and while at it, become a member (there is no "ridkid005" in this group's membership); till then continue, doing what you obviously are very good at, looking at yourself in the mirror. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I've been thrown out of better places
" up to a couple of minutes ago I had a VIP seat on CH roof to watch the demolition. They received a call a few minutes ago from the city pr and told it was a no go. If they had their druthers I guess we'd be in C-8 when they blew it up." Bitch, bitch, bitch; I'm so sick of it! Dan, with your record of constant complaint, it's no wonder they've revoked your privileges to sit at the center of the action; I for one have been offered, and accepted from Larry, a limo to pick me up tomorrow at 6:45 AM, deliver me to C8 for a front-row seat at the very North East edge of the 12th floor, to see first hand the demolition. Perhaps if you had mended your ways, as have I, you might be sitting next to me for this glorious moment; eat you heart out. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Coming Down - a multitude of sins
When you've not drunk in days a puddle of muddy water may tempt, when you haven't eaten for a week an old shoe might cause you to drool, and when you've lived in a once great city, whose delights have been left to rack and ruin for 30 years, the demolition of a 12 story eyesore could cause you to think the future bright; however, it is equally likely that this joyous moment merely hides and disguises a multitude of sins not dealt with, still lying just beneath the surface. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: C-8 Coming Down-Dan's Notes
"Your comments below sound a little sour. I haven't heard anyone else talk this way about the event, no matter how they feel about this redevelopment. This is a chance for some real unity in the City. One big party weekend centered around something we all agree on - that ugly thing will no longer be in view." Perhaps what you hear is a note of disappointment that while most agree C8's coming down is good, any celebration ignores the many residents and businesses forced to pay the piper, so as to give obscene millions to The Fishman and his band of thieves. After all, C8 represents the fastest of the once proclaimed "fast track" projects, and after 4 years of Larry's do nothing agenda, its removal merely signifies "a new day" wherein something twice as tall will supposedly thrill us in the midst of the despair and disrepair of a very fishy waterfront; drink up, you may well need it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: REI
Sounds to me that a real estate owner, selling participation in projects such as these, would do so under a limited partnership; the investor is not promised a rate of return, but rather a prescribed share in the profitability of the project(s). The seller (real estate owner) appears on title and has unlimited liability; the buyer's (investor's) liability is limited to his investment or equity contribution. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News
" worry less about how long someone is here. Is there a contest in this city that you and Tommy are running I am unaware of regarding how long one has been in AP?" Length of residency as condition precedent to freedom of speech is closely related to other niceties such as quotas and Nimby's; they all serve those, who in their heart of hearts, know themselves to be somewhat more equal. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News - Larrys Land
"I ask the question why doesn't Bruce do more for AP? You could not ask for a better attention grabber. Other places would kill for it. WHY hasn't this City and master developer been able to capitalize more on his apparent love for AP? Is the answer to my first question because of what the city has agreed to do - destroy in part the AP Bruce remembers and loves? Is it because he has no love for Asbury Partners (who could)? How could a redevelopment plan totally ignore this City's already-established foundation for fame? Absolutely insane." I think what Dan asks is not what's wrong with Bruce; rather, what the hell's wrong with council and Fishman? That question is similar to Gary's position (which I'll summarize with poetic license as) when you have an invaluable resource, name recognition, branding and fond memories world-wide; what genius would ignore or destroy that wealth so as to enable a half-assed strategy to build 3000 condos for people who'll have nothing to do but shop, dine or drink in Larry's Land or grab a bus out of town. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you complain about AP Partners...
"what do you call your 9 and counting, year tax abatement on school property taxes?" Who started the clock? My understanding is that the 10 years does not begin until the CO is issued; at the rate this project is going we'll be lucky to see that happen within the next five years. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Final Agreement
"Imagine when you try to open a business on the beach and you don't like the lease terms. You go 7 blocks down and you run into the same landlord. You go 3 blocks west and you run into the same landlord." Fear not; The Partners are so incompetent they are near guaranteeing the failure of the condo development with their short-sighted, penny pinching, amateur attempt at development. As the boardwalk buildings continue to rot, visitors grow increasingly weary of Asbury's slogan "wait till next year" and those condos most dependent on the failed retail reflect in price the bad buys they are, Larry, Moe and Curly will be forced to take what they can get to unload this mess. Only then will the waterfront stand a chance of realizing its "new day"; unfortunately, that'll be around 2022. Looks like Asbury's Beirut is in no danger of being forgotten. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pavillions
"Goody, Larry Fishman's father (Art) gets to keep his stand. The level of professionalism of our master developer I think is exemplified by his father's BW stand. There is not even a printed menu but the prices written on cardboard. They must have run out of crayons." Not to worry; Tom is buying him a printer and ink, Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: words of wisdom
"Sorry but the vast majority of RESIDENTS are like me. Speaking of assholes the people who I talk to think your one by the way you act and sound at council meetings the only people who clap for you is Rita Gerry and Maureen, good following. Mr know it all from NY big deal. Just another carpetbagger." Like whom; nameless cheerleaders of a developer without financing, experience or common sense and a council that enabled his taking all that he wishes, in the hope that 26 years from now the Waterfront might once again show signs of life. You claim an audience of "true" Asburians; do you folks have secret meetings, access by way of decoder rings, where you scan tax rolls for residents worthy of listening to, or do you simply revel in the ignorance which is your bliss? Don't know where they keep the list but my name certainly belongs with those clapping for Dan, Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
"The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties." "Scam to get more money" by whom? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proposed Agreement
"The costs outlined are simply too low for actual restoration. While Johnson said that they were not meant to be inclusive of everything but only the initial projects, I don't see (in what was presented) where the total restoration of the Casino, CH et al is called for. While it implies that the actual cost of each project must be fully funded prior to commencement, we are only holding 25% of the initial projects in escrow. We don't even know who estimated these costs and if the city has or will get independent verification of the costs. I don't see anything that requires full restoration." As we all know, Larry doesn't do restoration, hell he doesn't build, develop, market or sell, he eminent domains, paints, burns or demolishes. Any restoration of these properties will be done by his tenants, and since he offers leases no longer than 3 years, there are severe restraints on how much he can milk these poor bastards. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills, cars and fools
"Porche? I've never owned a foriegn car in my life! Never will!" What are you on man? In the past I've jocularly questioned your reading comprehension but now wonder are you so obtuse as to think that statement was about you. I guess on the surface it's a tossup, which of Larry and you would be the poorer choice to entrust waterfront development; however, The Fishman's total inadequacy as a deal maker, landlord, real estate marketer, builder, developer or his dearth of financial resources, failure to honor his word, abuse of those who trusted him, especially city council and his mumbling dissembling when called to account for his near total failure to perform under the development agreement surely places him in a universe shared by no other. Christ man, didn't the Porsche put the final nail in the coffin? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills, cars and fools
Earth to Tom; I suspect you've been reading the 3villageTimes too long. Who do you think the "business world" expects to meet when it visits Asbury Park−Rumson? Despite your buddy Dan's assertions that Asbury is to become a world-class center of design, new-age bohemian lifestyle and groovy stuff, it remains what it has been for too long, a model of failed and incompetent local government, whose best suit is the quick buck deal, usually at the expense of its residents. Unfortunately, the course of action the city has taken to redevelop the beachfront, remains true to that heritage; further, I guess the fool they've entrusted development to, meets your personal measure of competency. He drives a Porsche, wears groovy suits, bullshits his way through business deals and stiffs naïve lawyers for business lunches. Sadly this is the Asbury the business world still expects to encounter and GM can't build enough Cadillacs to make it any different. "If you went on a job interview you wouldn't wear your best suit? I hate to disappoint you but in the business world you often have to be who the buyer is expecting, or he'll buy elsewhere. By your thinking Asbury Park should not redevelop the beachfront. It won't be reflective of the rest of the town, or the struggles faced by the West Side. So to "keep it real" and "be honest about who Asbury Park is," in front of the business world we are trying to attract, we should have our leaders tear holes in their cloths, speak with poor diction and perhaps pay for the business lunch with food stamps. That's someone else's view of AP; not mine. I think we are better than that and we should act like it." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills, cars and fools
"Look, the guy is the main business face of Asbury Park. He shows up to a meeting in a jalopy, someone will figure they have him right where they want him from the start. I don't mean to be shallow but the poeple you deal with in life can be shallow and you can't ignore them. Some people in business will judge a man just on what kind of shoes he's wearing." There's certainly an element of truth in "some people" judging content by its packaging and "someone" might think they've an edge or advantage through such shallow reasoning; however, there's an equal case to be made against the guy whose primary strength is his wardrobe. The test comes down to whom do you think you're kidding? You may not like this or want to hear it, but whoever represents Asbury Park in business or politics will fool no one by showing up in a Cadillac; the city is a financial basket case, it has consistently shown poor business sense in negotiations and little proof that it has learned from past experience. I like and respect Terry Reidy but suspect he is paid a rate, both competitive and sufficient; to have attracted and to keep him here; if the Jeep was part of that package, so be it, but in the final analysis, putting him in a Rolls won't fool anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN Dan rafferty... Letter to Council
Why don't we (this group) get behind something like the following? Letter to Council The below named residents, business persons and friends of Asbury Park ask for clarification of your efforts, hopes and view of where this city is headed. We note the following: Council submitted the wrong WRP to the state for CAFRA etc. You appear unable to get our master developer to develop. Although Asbury receives regular local, regional, even national exposure, the failure of the waterfront developer to develop, merely showcases our worst face; the city needs a strategy for and the will to act to carry through with redevelopment. It seems obvious that the city may have to raise taxes (again). We ask the following: Let's stop accepting mediocrity. Let us begin to support those private citizens who have, and seek to continue to, put their money where their mouths are (Fasano, DePetro et al.). The City needs to cease fighting them and putting obstacles in their path. Where are we going and where will you be when we get there? ** "We submitted the wrong (that's their story) WRP to the state for CAFRA etc. We can't get our master developer to develop. And we might have to raise taxes (again). Let's stop accepting mediocrity. Someone wrote a book once about guys from my neighborhood - "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight." We can impress outsiders not by having him drive a caddy, but by this city actually carrying through with redevelopment. We can't even get our "Partner" to dance with us. What a joke! Hats off to all private citizens putting their money where their mouths are (Fasano, DePetro et al.). This City decides to fight them and put obstacles in their way while it bends over for Fishman." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements - endanger kids
"I assume the people buying those units will not be burdening the school system during the abatement period if they listen to Fishman and keep their kids home." Who in their right minds would endanger their kids by bringing or putting them in Asbury's school system? That's one of the primary reasons the abatements were given; look at "Section II-A: abatements, bribes and everything else we can get away with" of the MOA, it states clearly that only the non-reproductive, non-adoptive and brain dead will be marketed to. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Scanlon, beck article 10/05 - they had no choice
"Boy are those waterfront tax abatements (no school taxes) going to look unwise in a few years. Can't say they weren't told. But they keep on giving them. The gift that never stops giving." In all fairness to Weldon, Aaron and council, they had no choice; look at the mess that the waterfront is, who in their right minds would consider living there, much less pay in excess of a million bucks for the dubious privilege, without the incentive of hard cash. Hell, everyone knew that the 56 acres were worthless; only a fool, from out of town, having no experience as a developer would have paid a nickel for this eyesore. My fear is that without generous subsidies from all of Asbury, perhaps in perpetuity, all of those really neat condos will ultimately turn into a humongous ghetto by the sea. Think of it (figuratively) as the price we must pay for the sins of our fathers. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Paterson's Great Falls Historic District - from Maureen
"This was our dream, and we were especially optimistic about the opportunity for transformation of the Great Falls Historic District, to make vision a reality and spark positive long-term revival for the future. It was Dornoch's [Asbury Partners] intention to make a significant impact on Paterson and to help turn this city around. Unfortunately, the people of Paterson will have to settle for less." Another misunderstood, great developer is trashed by yet another ungrateful community, hung-up on such bullshit details as developer competence, business ethics and mere desire to make an honest buck; shame on Paterson. Developer's vision in limbo Sunday, March 26, 2006 By GLEN FISHMAN SPECIAL TO THE HERALD NEWS The proposed redevelopment of the Great Falls Historic District of Paterson, a win-win proposition that was designed to become the much-needed catalyst for this city's rebirth, has reached a standstill. The Herald News, along with other voices in the community, have disseminated a myriad of misrepresentations that have discouraged Dornoch Holdings and our talented redevelopment team from pursuing the project. It is a disappointment that our dream for the Great Falls will go unrealized. Our expertise and passion is restoring underutilized properties, to bring them back to their market value and to make improvements that have a positive impact on the community as a whole. In the case of the Great Falls Historic District, our dream was a virtual mirror image of the redevelopment plan unanimously approved by the Paterson mayor and City Council in October 2003. It included new housing and retail, new recreation, improved pedestrian and vehicular movement and new access to the Great Falls and river. Our plan called for the building of 973 residential units, 60,000 square feet of retail space and an 83,000-square-foot hotel and convention center. We shared our vision with Mayor Jose "Joey" Torres and the council, and our proposal reflected their vision. The key was restoration of the neighborhoods surrounding the falls in a way that would enhance access to the greatest natural attraction in North Jersey. We envisioned the Great Falls Historic District as a site that people would flock to year-round. We also envisioned the positive impact the redevelopment would have on Paterson's economy the jobs and income it would create during and after the redevelopment. The totals were significant: an estimated 1,980 person-years of construction-related employment over the seven-year period it would take to complete the project and another 220 permanent retail jobs upon completion. Our experts projected the redevelopment would contribute an additional $6.6 million in net tax revenue to the city and school assets each year, based on an increase of $274 million in market value once the project was completed. All of this was planned without the taking of any properties through eminent domain and with us paying market value for all city-owned property. The plan was conceived to improve the quality of life for the people of Paterson, something that already is being realized in our development activities on land we own. On Ellison Street, our work is producing a new public access Cablevision studio on a site that sat vacant with rusting steel for the past decade. Now, in addition to the studio, the property will include a computer resource center and retail outlets as well. Quite simply, the Great Falls Historic Redevelopment was something that would breathe new life into Paterson culturally, financially, physically and socially. Everything was on track until November, when some people began questioning our intentions. The mayor and council postponed action on the City Redevelopment Agreement with the Dornoch Paterson redevelopment team. And on Dec. 27, this newspaper published a story that identified the disgruntled builder as the same individual who, over the past few years, had filed a number of lawsuits in Asbury Park, challenging the Asbury Park Waterfront Redevelopment Plan without success. The claims denied the progress that has been achieved in the waterfront redevelopment in Asbury Park and diminished the success of the public/private partnership between Asbury Partners LLC and the city of Asbury Park. And it seriously misrepresented the process and proposal that resulted in Dornoch Paterson. It is time to set the record straight. First: my brother, Larry Fishman, who has a minority interest in Dornoch Holdings, manages Asbury Partners. I have a minority interest in Asbury Partners. The connection between Asbury Partners and Dornoch ends there. We are neither affiliates nor sister companies. Second: The renaissance of the waterfront redevelopment in Asbury Park has progressed at a record pace. The developers rebuilt the city's famed boardwalk and launched the first phase of $60 million in infrastructure improvements that have resulted in new roads, sidewalks and utili
[AsburyPark] Re: schools - league of the Blind
"It is the council's mishandling of the redevelopment that is the reason I am critical. That being said, as a taxpayer, I am against all government waste You seem to have a lot to say I can see no reason why you will not identify yourself. Hidden, you can say what you want with abandon. Put your name behind what you say." A rabid dog and an "oo" "jo" of AP do not critics make; the both of you belong in the league of the Blind, too gutless to stand behind your claims. Why should anyone take you seriously? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Muni Center - "Plan c"
"That depends whether NJ Transit owns the fee simple to the ROW above and below or is just limited to a certain vertical plane above the tracks." I suspect they don't; the recent transit study proposed building a pedestrian overpass. Wouldn't think they would suggest that without rights or consent. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - time is of the essence
I question the city and developer's actions regarding what I had thought a standard clause in real estate agreements. Real estate agreements generally contain an actual or implied warranty that time is of the essence. It is one thing for the city to gift The Fishman Asbury's lands over 30 years; however, this action brings with it an onus to act. That he chooses to under bid, speculate or land bank the property of others bears a time cost to him. On those lands where he failed to act, forthwith as of signing the redevelopment agreement of October 2002, he can not expect to buy at the then appraised value, but must pay the price real estate has inflated since; anything less is unfair to those he holds in this odd purgatory of Weldon and Aaron's making. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How much did it cost to build disney world?
"With the amount of money that has been dumped into AP...makes you wonder." How much money has been dumped into Asbury? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Open Space - Ill take that bet
`"By the way you always call people ignorant and uneducated and other nasty things in your posts when it comes to planning." Still don't see how you both expanded the scope of my complaint beyond planning? Hmmm... bet everyone else does.' Expansion spansion; so what? You get yourself into trouble by your too often use of "you always" and in this case "everyone"; the world actually isn't that way, the people in it certainly are not that consistent, even I've had to admit that some among us aren't always blind. Werner is, I suspect, gruff and irascible when it comes to matters concerning Asbury's historic buildings and its abominable planning, this has simply grown worse with the botched negotiation of the waterfront deal and council's ineffective attempts to make right what even they now see as a disaster. Rather than working yourself up over Werner why not lighten up on your self importance, you may find life a bit easier to take. Ps I'll take that bet any day; never, no place, no where will everyone agree on anything. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Open Space - ignorance
`"If so you display your ignorance in the subject, as you have in the past regarding other planning issues." So confident I am that he calls anyone who disagrees with him on planning ignorant or uneducated that ' Tom, (hope you appreciate my using your alias) your argument with Werner, over his choice of language, highlights your ignorance of the meaning of the word "ignorance" and draws attention to your often expressed anxiety over others diminishing your self importance. Lighten up, what Werner said is that on the subject of "planning issues" you display ignorance; he might just as well have said that you "lack of knowledge or education". Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - rack'em pack'em and stack'em
" Northern and Western Monmouth overlords have the $ and the power, and they will be soaking up all the open space funding. Our only shot at largess is to assist them by accepting our Urban asthetic and continue to further Urbanize, which they are trying to avoid. We're Urban anyway, so grow with it. Forget open spaces in AP. It isn't who we are. Rack'em pack'em and stack'em. It's time to go vertical and build high." You can't lay our problems on the disastrous planning and political power of suburbia; it wasn't they that gave away 56 acres of Asbury's best, that catastrophe is home grown. The continuing urbanization of Asbury isn't a second best option, it is the path to an enhanced quality of life and greater economic power, but neither demands the elimination of all open space; that and specifically the demise of the triangles was Weldon's and Aaron's doing. Were urbanization nothing more than "rack'em pack'em and stack'em" Manhattan wouldn't have Central Park nor any other open spaces. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
"how about building NOTHING and letting the ocean blow through... of course this would nothing for the city coffers nor the partners." Certainly an option; however, council has chosen to sell and the deal they've struck appears to be the worst of all worlds. Fish pays nothing, he flips to some half-assed developer, who builds god knows what, the wind no longer blows through, and Larry's coffers score another $10million. I would sooner see the city have use of that sort of money. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
How many units can be built in the proposal on the tri?" >From Dan re C8 "$33 million build 224 units" equals $147K/unit; I have no idea the amount of land, but think it secondary to zoning, which apparently allows 134 units, hence my value of $75K/unit. That said, show me a site anywhere in Monmouth County 2 blocks from the ocean the equal of the triangle, fronting on the Atlantic and Deal Lake; there isn't one. As for how many units to build; that depends on who sells, if it's The Fish flipping a buy at $175 or $490K, you likely have trouble squeezing in units and required parking . If it's the city realizing $10million, you negotiate a larger building envelope. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
"the triangle is worth no where near $10m. 4.5 acres were just sold in Long Branch (2 blocks in) with 8o units for $10m. It does have a value, to the right developer. It all depends what they can build, and what the potential return would be." Really? Long Branch 2 blocks from the ocean $125K/unit; Asbury fronting on the ocean and Deal Lake $75K/unit; who's foolin' who? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
Council's problem re The Fishman, remains that of spurned lover; having been courted seduced and bedded by Larry, council simply is unwilling to surrender all hope that things still might turn out well. What the city needs is a brand new suitor, one capable of rekindling those glorious moments of what might have been; fortunately I have a wooer, eager to take council to even greater heights of excitement and ecstasy. All council need to do, to explore this opportunity, is signal its readiness to re-enter and play the game. Arranging this coupling requires but a few simple basic steps; council must declare its readiness to dance, once again, by putting The `scoundrel' Fishman in default, cease rubber stamping Larry's list of candidates for eminent domain and announce itself open to bids on the triangle, sewer plant and various other parcels not yet seized by The Fish; these steps would immediately realize offers of $10 million for the triangle, roughly the same (per unit price) for the sewer plant and additional sites in the waterfront redevelopment area. Downside, Larry would be really pissed off and pout; upside, Larry would be really pissed off and pout, Asbury would collect a slug of dough and the NY Times could write an article about, and visitors would see, actual development. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: for skip and werner...
"Who is that clown?!?! Tillie's cousin? I'll run his painted rear-end out of town too!" I have an earlier picture taken when the artist was just starting out. http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Tillie/Graphics/Till02.jpg Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - bull shit
"Seems some have a problem with the messenger and not the message. The NYT was claimed to be negative by some on this board and these same herald the USA Today article. [+] I heard that Partners is required to renovate the 1st floor of the 5th Ave pavilion within 12 months and then has to show progress every succeeding 12 months. With hope requirements for renovating the Casino, CH et al within a reasonable period. [+] The "Moliver principle" is one of the dirty secrets of the eminent domain process for the waterfront in Asbury Park. By saying that all increases in homes' values is a result of the waterfront redevelopment and can therefore be discarded as bull shit." What we have here is "my country (city) right or wrong"; there exists a primordial shortcut in the nervous systems of a few, which shuts down cognition and fires up defensive mechanisms to protect territory; canines achieve this by pissing on trees, primitive man pisses on one another. Observers, reporters and speakers of truth understand that Rome was not, and Asbury can not be, built in a day; that there are many pitfalls on the road to creation or rehabilitation and that glossing over bullshit is nothing more than a more visible variant of marking behavior. Unfortunately these markers not merely identify, they stink and stain. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: USA Today
"nice article much more truthfull then recent ny times article, the person who got that printed should reflect and say why? ego? bitterness? envy? i do not know " Nice contribution from a contributor who shall remain nameless; why no one seems to know but I'll hazard the guess that "oo" "jo" of AP is unable to reflect on its own "ego, bitterness, envy" and most certainly its motivation. Tell us "oo", outside the fact that you know not, what's your point and specifically how did the NYT's article managed to screw up your version of truth? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
"Didn't Keady say he was also concerned about the cost and that any such projects in the future should be looked at more carefully. That is the ISSUE, the cost of this thing, $800K !!! Not whether it is good for the children or not. Press reporting goes for the fluff again." Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully clear that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of the stick of expenditures, services and improvements. Financially distressed, it must constantly juggle the books to find funds for basic services, so that when discretionary spending is called for, choice often appears capricious. Clearly council feels obliged to provide services to ameliorate the east/west disparity; when it does so, it seems obvious to increase the impact of spending by availing itself of whatever grants that may be available. Unfortunately, the grant process distorts the spirit and costs of these services. This distortion is compounded by a council that means well, but has few tools to value the cost/benefit of alternatives and whose staff and consultants are far from the best. The result too frequently, the continuing bumbling that Asbury Park has become so well known for. Cost certainly is the issue, unfortunately, past sins of omission and commission cloud current decisions and the fear of repeating history prejudges performance. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" ...
"Tom, welcome, the water's fine and don't worry about butting your nose in with us." I'll second that; we need more noses, voices, opinions, etc,; particularly when accompanied by names. Skip Bernstein Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] setting an example for his constituency - which one?
" carrying on your own meeting with "that white woman" you adore. ...when are you going to stand up for your constituency and reveal what you know about mog?" Joe, overall I think you are a valuable piece of what makes Asbury Asbury; that said, no one is without fault. Some are simply more faulty or faultier; and that said, most of your attack on Jerry is meritorious (his entire black/white woman bit is abominable), but then, as with so many wielders of truth, in their own eyes, conviction and enthusiasm, you go too far, you mount a stallion to do battle, only to tilt at a wind of your own making and an ill wind it is. I gather from many of your positions, expressed in posts herein that your primary affiliation is to the gay community; that experience certainly should have by now enlightened you to the burdens and travails of others, which causes me to wonder how one supposedly knowledgeable, would choose language positioning him to state so inane a quote as "that white woman"? Were that not enough, you compound the faux pax with "when are you going to stand up for your constituency"; are we not all of the same tribe, do we not all have the same feelings and hurts, do we not all bleed when injured, cry when hurt laugh when humored, are we not each and every one brothers and sisters to each? You would have Jerry "stand up for your constituency", which one? My dear friend, what ever are you trying to say; the message is muddledthe slur understood. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Don't email me here
"I can't get to my Yahoo email for 4 days now, so if you emailed me I'm not dissin' you by not responding, I just can't get to it." Try not to take this personally Tom; Yahoo has decided that you're justifiably wrong. Skip Bernstein Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rodney Dangerfield of AP - I don't get any respect
"The big question is "if" the city gets them back. If not I don't think the planning board has the right to tell them how it should look" If the city hasn't already got control of what CH, Casino and pavilions will look like, they must get that control, without it what was the point in giving away these assets? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Leave my Mom out of this
"A Hound Dog who sniffs out Jerk-Offs." God but I'll bet she can't wait for mother's day; your rabies acting up? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Porkroll and the Transporation center....
"The Freeholders are all talk when it comes to AP. Give the $10,000,000 to the City and they can do it ,thier way." Give it to this council and Aaron will have them endorse the check to Larry, who'll then eminent domain the railroad. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Leave my Mom out of this
"Who care? Leave my Mom out of this." Don't think she was in, till you volunteered her; now that she is, what sort of dog does she think you are? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Porkroll and the Transporation center....
your link broke/this should work http://www.shore.co.monmouth.nj.us/03230planboard/TransportationCouncil/Asbury%20Park%20Study%20Report.pdf Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Plus $325million... Look - work order, summons, hefty fines and a lien
"He prmosied to paint his mother's house when he was 19. The $30 she gave himshe's is still waiting - 30 years later." My sources elaborate a more Machiavellian rendition of these facts. Seems not only has Larry not performed the agreed upon painting, for which he was paid, but he initiated a complaint to the buildings department, specifying the rundown condition of her home. Apparently he thought he could get the property declared "blighted"; while that strategy failed, it did result in a buildings standards work order, a summons for failure to comply, hefty fines for no-show and a lien on her property. Barring the appearance of a white knight, Larry may scoop up mom's house in the next year; stay tuned for updates. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
