Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
I wonder how many home sales roadtrip has been responsible for over the years. Considering how many people attend each year and its been happening 7,8 yrs? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:53:22 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS Oh please, AP was never about real estate marketing in the first place. That concept is the biggest failure of this city ever. It's about a beach, a boardwalk, a music scene, and once upon a time, entertainment on a scale we know nothing about anymore. The real estate push is about a bunch of greedy people who care more about making money off of people then creating something unique and culturally rewarding. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: And lastly, Road Trip has lost its original intent as a real estate marketing tool to have people buy in AP. Nothing but a money-making circuit party for the organizer(s). Yes, it lost its original intent because the real estate market went south. Don't be upset at the Roadtrip organizers; take it up with the realtors who didn't sponsor the real estate side of the event as they have in the past. The realtors dropped the ball on this weekend when they stopped selling homes and making money because of the economy. Why didn't they take a chance with their own money by hosting a real estate trolley like they did in the past, where were all the open houses etc...? And I resent (and will speak up) against the closing of any public property for a private event for which you have to pay. Why should a section of the beach be closed off so a private group (bs on the not-for-profit) can charge $45 and $60 to get in there? Why should the CH/Paramount arcade - a public easement be closed Friday Night (Meet and Greet) and you have to pay $15 to get in? This should not happen next year. Go rent a PRIVATE venue and do not close a PUBLIC area that I pay taxes and beach fees to use. That goes for weddings on the beach too that have had the nerve to ask people to move while setting up? uummm maybe because the weekend events (including Tiesto) brought in over 8,000 people who packed every hotel and BB in Asbury and Ocean Grove and the people also over loaded the meters with money and shopped and dined in Asbury stores and eateries? The town made money on the people who attended. What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I guess if we stop these events we have to stop all events like volleyball, lifeguard competitions, polar bear plunges, marathons, art fairs, fireworks etc boy the beach is getting boring. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
I thought everything going on this weekend was fantastic for the boardwalk, the city and for those merchants who have bet the ranch to make it here. Regardless of the initial intent of the Road Trip, it was a reason (along with Tiesto) for thousands of people to come here and spend money, while likely also being very pleasantly surprised by the environment making many likely to return without a major event. I was talking with the guy who owns the Cuban restaurant and he was staying open until 4am each night because the business was there to warrant it. We complain about people closing early - if they have a reason to stay open they will, and those who don't will be replaced by those who will. But these kinds of events are the things that draw the crowds that provide the reason... There was a real vibe on the boardwalk right through a packed Sunday night. Nicely done. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I wonder how many home sales roadtrip has been responsible for over the years. Considering how many people attend each year and its been happening 7,8 yrs? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:53:22 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS Oh please, AP was never about real estate marketing in the first place. That concept is the biggest failure of this city ever. It's about a beach, a boardwalk, a music scene, and once upon a time, entertainment on a scale we know nothing about anymore. The real estate push is about a bunch of greedy people who care more about making money off of people then creating something unique and culturally rewarding. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07712@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: And lastly, Road Trip has lost its original intent as a real estate marketing tool to have people buy in AP. Nothing but a money-making circuit party for the organizer(s). Yes, it lost its original intent because the real estate market went south. Don't be upset at the Roadtrip organizers; take it up with the realtors who didn't sponsor the real estate side of the event as they have in the past. The realtors dropped the ball on this weekend when they stopped selling homes and making money because of the economy. Why didn't they take a chance with their own money by hosting a real estate trolley like they did in the past, where were all the open houses etc...? And I resent (and will speak up) against the closing of any public property for a private event for which you have to pay. Why should a section of the beach be closed off so a private group (bs on the not-for-profit) can charge $45 and $60 to get in there? Why should the CH/Paramount arcade - a public easement be closed Friday Night (Meet and Greet) and you have to pay $15 to get in? This should not happen next year. Go rent a PRIVATE venue and do not close a PUBLIC area that I pay taxes and beach fees to use. That goes for weddings on the beach too that have had the nerve to ask people to move while setting up? uummm maybe because the weekend events (including Tiesto) brought in over 8,000 people who packed every hotel and BB in Asbury and Ocean Grove and the people also over loaded the meters with money and shopped and dined in Asbury stores and eateries? The town made money on the people who attended. What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I guess if we stop these events we have to stop all events like volleyball, lifeguard competitions, polar bear plunges, marathons, art fairs, fireworks etc boy the beach is getting boring. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? No, I paid the $15 and went meet and greet smarty. Last time though. I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I pay almost $12k in taxes so low is relative. And I have nothing against out of towners coming here. In fact, I've been a proponent of attracting them. But I am against closing public proerty and making someone pay to enter it. That goes for Cleerwater festival and whatever they hold downtown. You want to put vendors there and make me buy a soda, food or whatever? Fine. But don't make me pay to walk on the street or park I pay taxes to maintain in the first place. Don't make me pay to go on a beach that I already own 8 season passes for. Wake up. Road Trip has gone off the road. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycou...@... wrote: I thought everything going on this weekend was fantastic for the boardwalk, the city and for those merchants who have bet the ranch to make it here. Regardless of the initial intent of the Road Trip, it was a reason (along with Tiesto) for thousands of people to come here and spend money, while likely also being very pleasantly surprised by the environment making many likely to return without a major event. All good. But you should not close a public area and then charge the public just to be there. It is fundamentally wrong no matter the purpose. My street, my park, my beach. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
I didn't have to pay to get on the beach at all this past weekend, my season pass worked just fine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:22:28 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? No, I paid the $15 and went meet and greet smarty. Last time though. I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I pay almost $12k in taxes so low is relative. And I have nothing against out of towners coming here. In fact, I've been a proponent of attracting them. But I am against closing public proerty and making someone pay to enter it. That goes for Cleerwater festival and whatever they hold downtown. You want to put vendors there and make me buy a soda, food or whatever? Fine. But don't make me pay to walk on the street or park I pay taxes to maintain in the first place. Don't make me pay to go on a beach that I already own 8 season passes for. Wake up. Road Trip has gone off the road. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:25:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycou...@... wrote: I thought everything going on this weekend was fantastic for the boardwalk, the city and for those merchants who have bet the ranch to make it here. Regardless of the initial intent of the Road Trip, it was a reason (along with Tiesto) for thousands of people to come here and spend money, while likely also being very pleasantly surprised by the environment making many likely to return without a major event. All good. But you should not close a public area and then charge the public just to be there. It is fundamentally wrong no matter the purpose. My street, my park, my beach. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
Dan just sums it all up. Those boys from Brooklyn. Imagine if you had to pay school taxes for real - what those property taxes would be? Here's a summary of a new tax bill I just got on a property I own in Ocean Twp. The lot is 100x100 and next to wet lands and is on a DIRT road. The HOUSE is only 700 sq ft and assessed at $226,000 (paid $181,000 for it, and not worth a dime more...) The breakdown on taxes: County: $ 707.30 Open Space: $45.34 REGIONAL SCHOOL TAX: $2863.22 ( LOOK LOOK) Library: $40.81 MUNI TAX: $970 FIRE DEPT: $106.55 (WORTH EVERY DIME) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
My house (it is a carriage house about 1200 sq feet give/take, it is a condo with 5 units in the Mansion house) was billed in AP at almost $8000/year. It was lowered then til about $6k, but yeah if I had to pay another couple of grand on top of that for the crappy schools system I would be pissed. The funny thing, was that before they condo'd teh lot, the whole thing with the big house and everything was $9000/year. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: Dan just sums it all up. Those boys from Brooklyn. Imagine if you had to pay school taxes for real - what those property taxes would be? Here's a summary of a new tax bill I just got on a property I own in Ocean Twp. The lot is 100x100 and next to wet lands and is on a DIRT road. The HOUSE is only 700 sq ft and assessed at $226,000 (paid $181,000 for it, and not worth a dime more...) The breakdown on taxes: County: $ 707.30 Open Space: $45.34 REGIONAL SCHOOL TAX: $2863.22 ( LOOK LOOK) Library: $40.81 MUNI TAX: $970 FIRE DEPT: $106.55 (WORTH EVERY DIME) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Yep! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I didn't have to pay to get on the beach at all this past weekend, my season pass worked just fine You misunderstand. They close off a portion of the 5th ave beach for the sat sand blast portion of road trip and then charge $45 in advance and $60 at door You get to dance on the beach for that amount. I don't go, but it irks me to have public property closed for private groups who can then charge admission. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. However, CH not being open w/o paying an admission is (as Snoop Dog would say) rdonkulous Thankfully I didn't have my grandmother with me on Friday, she wouldve been pissed, lol, having lived in AP from the 30's til the 60's and being a regular at Biggies in Hoboken, its a must stop when she visits (Sidenote, my grandmother has said time and time again, that the boardwalk has never looked so beautiful, and she was on it back in the 1930's) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:58:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Yep! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxes go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. Why did I move to Asbury Park? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. However, CH not being open w/o paying an admission is (as Snoop Dog would say) rdonkulous Thankfully I didn't have my grandmother with me on Friday, she wouldve been pissed, lol, having lived in AP from the 30's til the 60's and being a regular at Biggies in Hoboken, its a must stop when she visits (Sidenote, my grandmother has said time and time again, that the boardwalk has never looked so beautiful, and she was on it back in the 1930's) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:58:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Yep! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
From a residents point of view, I agree with you 100%, its ludicris to want to end any of that stuff, quite frankly its what makes AP so great, however, look at it from a visitors point of view... I bring my family in from out of town to hit up the beach, and the kids want to hit Biggies for a quick bite, but now I have to tell my kids NO because there is a cover charge I personally don't agree with shutting down the arcade because of a meet and greet There are plenty of other places that could have happened at besides the arcade, how about the banquet hall in the Berkely? But otherwise I agree with you, its peddie BS to complain about this stuff, especially when the revenue is there Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:02:46 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxes go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. Why did I move to Asbury Park? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. However, CH not being open w/o paying an admission is (as Snoop Dog would say) rdonkulous Thankfully I didn't have my grandmother with me on Friday, she wouldve been pissed, lol, having lived in AP from the 30's til the 60's and being a regular at Biggies in Hoboken, its a must stop when she visits (Sidenote, my grandmother has said time and time again, that the boardwalk has never looked so beautiful, and she was on it back in the 1930's) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:58:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Yep! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
I understand where you are coming from, but looking at the big picture, its a 4 hr window (7pm-11pm) that CH is closed to the public. I think my guests would be more pissed off if they were mugged or had their car broken into. In my opinion, crime is more of a problem than whether I have to move my blanket 100 ft to the right or have to go to Pop's Garage instead of biggies for clams. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: From a residents point of view, I agree with you 100%, its ludicris to want to end any of that stuff, quite frankly its what makes AP so great, however, look at it from a visitors point of view... I bring my family in from out of town to hit up the beach, and the kids want to hit Biggies for a quick bite, but now I have to tell my kids NO because there is a cover charge I personally don't agree with shutting down the arcade because of a meet and greet There are plenty of other places that could have happened at besides the arcade, how about the banquet hall in the Berkely? But otherwise I agree with you, its peddie BS to complain about this stuff, especially when the revenue is there Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:02:46 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxes go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. Why did I move to Asbury Park? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. However, CH not being open w/o paying an admission is (as Snoop Dog would say) rdonkulous Thankfully I didn't have my grandmother with me on Friday, she wouldve been pissed, lol, having lived in AP from the 30's til the 60's and being a regular at Biggies in Hoboken, its a must stop when she visits (Sidenote, my grandmother has said time and time again, that the boardwalk has never looked so beautiful, and she was on it back in the 1930's) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:58:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Personally speaking I don't have any problems with the weekends events, however, I could see how the business' may have a problem with losing the foot traffic, but in the same breath, there were people there So now I have to ask, since I didn't go up to CH on friday... If I wanted to grab some Clams from Biggies, would I have had to pay to admission to get to Biggies? Yep! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http
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You can say that again. I mean there are several factors playing into the crime, and though its not the biggest factor, I think our city officials are so concerned with parking meters and the waterfront that they forgot about the crime and addressing it Sure the undercover prostitution bust a few weeks back was nice, but I don't think that one guy (of of the bunch busted)...the 78yr old man was really a threat to the city But the 20 or so youth draped in red on the boardwalk probably is, as well as the same guy slinging rock at sunset park every night, or the two who deal off their porch on comstock I could go on for days Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:30:57 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS I understand where you are coming from, but looking at the big picture, its a 4 hr window (7pm-11pm) that CH is closed to the public. I think my guests would be more pissed off if they were mugged or had their car broken into. In my opinion, crime is more of a problem than whether I have to move my blanket 100 ft to the right or have to go to Pop's Garage instead of biggies for clams. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: From a residents point of view, I agree with you 100%, its ludicris to want to end any of that stuff, quite frankly its what makes AP so great, however, look at it from a visitors point of view... I bring my family in from out of town to hit up the beach, and the kids want to hit Biggies for a quick bite, but now I have to tell my kids NO because there is a cover charge I personally don't agree with shutting down the arcade because of a meet and greet There are plenty of other places that could have happened at besides the arcade, how about the banquet hall in the Berkely? But otherwise I agree with you, its peddie BS to complain about this stuff, especially when the revenue is there Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oOoOoOo mark07...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:02:46 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxes go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. Why did I move to Asbury Park? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. However, CH not being open w/o paying an admission is (as Snoop Dog would say) rdonkulous Thankfully I didn't have my grandmother with me on Friday, she wouldve been pissed, lol, having lived in AP from the 30's til the 60's and being a regular at Biggies in Hoboken, its a must stop when she visits (Sidenote, my grandmother has said time and time again, that the boardwalk has never looked so beautiful, and she was on it back in the 1930's) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender
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sitting here getting hungry. I would of called biggies and asked them to get me at the door or bring me an order of clams. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A good discussion and I agree lots of valid points -- still not sure where I come down on this -- need some time to get over the joy of seeing people -- lots of people here. Looking for possible parallels: I used to enjoy taking a day off to attend the lighting of the xmas tree at Rockefeller Center -- back when it was broadcast locally at 4 PM. Easy to get there, park, and get up front viewing. Then it went Mad Men Mega-event, national TV, and almost impossible to access without three days planning and/or costly tickets for upfront viewing. Impossible to get to any retailers or restaurants in the area for hours, can't cross streets, herded like cattle by police -- use subway entrances exits simply to cross the streets. No longer enjoyable for me -- but I am assuming a big hit $$$ wise for the city and merchants, and media focus on NYC musbe great PR. Same with the inconveniences that became overwhelming for the Village Halloween Parade -- The Macy's Thanksgiving Parade normal access to public spaces not so normal during those events for people who don't want to watch a parade. Street food fairs and Street book fairs Street flea markets, block parties Maybe fortunate unfortunate access ? In a message dated 7/20/2010 2:05:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark07...@yahoo.com writes: All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxe s go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. It is like being pregnant - it is or isn't. The issue is public property closed for the benefit of a private group who then demands that the public pay to get in. It doesn't matter the size of the area. Where to you draw the line? And since I went to the Meet n Greet it should be clear that I have nothing against Road Trip. As I said, I have the same fundamental disagreement with the Clearwater Festival although I have not gone to that in years. I believe they rope off the park and charge you to get in. It should not be done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. CH is not a public space. It belongs to MM now. The passageway is public space in the form of a public easement. I agree, the passageway should not be closed off and charge people to enter if that is the case. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! The Carousel House is not public space but belongs to MM. Tommy was wonderful. I bought tickets to all three shows and I am a supporting member of the Revision. Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury Misconstruing. Closing public space for private gain and charging the public to enter. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxes go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. The above do not charge you to walk in public space. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think we'll just have to agree to disagree Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:05:09 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: While I don't agree with the rationale about Sand Blast and the beach getting used the way it does, I do adamantly agree about CH To me, its the beach, and there is a lot of it compared to the space used for Sandblast, its only one day out of the summer, no big deal. It is like being pregnant - it is or isn't. The issue is public property closed for the benefit of a private group who then demands that the public pay to get in. It doesn't matter the size of the area. Where to you draw the line? And since I went to the Meet n Greet it should be clear that I have nothing against Road Trip. As I said, I have the same fundamental disagreement with the Clearwater Festival although I have not gone to that in years. I believe they rope off the park and charge you to get in. It should not be done. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: A good discussion and I agree lots of valid points -- still not sure where I come down on this -- need some time to get over the joy of seeing people -- lots of people here. Looking for possible parallels: I used to enjoy taking a day off to attend the lighting of the xmas tree at Rockefeller Center -- back when it was broadcast locally at 4 PM. Easy to get there, park, and get up front viewing. Then it went Mad Men Mega-event, national TV, and almost impossible to access without three days planning and/or costly tickets for upfront viewing. Impossible to get to any retailers or restaurants in the area for hours, can't cross streets, herded like cattle by police -- use subway entrances exits simply to cross the streets. No longer enjoyable for me -- but I am assuming a big hit $$$ wise for the city and merchants, and media focus on NYC musbe great PR. Same with the inconveniences that became overwhelming for the Village Halloween Parade -- The Macy's Thanksgiving Parade normal access to public spaces not so normal during those events for people who don't want to watch a parade. Street food fairs and Street book fairs Street flea markets, block parties Maybe fortunate unfortunate access ? In a message dated 7/20/2010 2:05:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark07...@... writes: All valid points about CH, but we can't stop there. I guess someone needs to bring this all up at the next city council meeting. I guess when we can kiss the Asbury Film Festival event at CH goodbye as well since it's closed off for their welcoming event. Let's kick out revision theatre from the carousel building as well. They have the nerve to charge for tickets to see Tommy in a public space! Since we can't please all, I think they should just ban all events on public space in Asbury starting with Roadtrip. The organizers should move it to Belmar or long branch. Who needs 1,000s of people spending money in town and taking up valuable beach space, hotel rooms and filling up restaurants? Let some other towns share the wealth. Asbury doesn't need it and I'm sure places like Long Branch would welcome all the revenue. I'm sure the people going to Biggies Clam shack will more than make up for all the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenue from the weekend. I almost forgot to mention ending gay pride in asbury park. They charged for that too and closed public streets for a parade. Bye Bye Pride. Since we can't pick and choose, we must end all events on public space. No more BBQ festival in the park either. Get rid of the flea markets at sunset park as well. Bye Bye farmers market. I should be able to play kickball in that space at that exact time since my taxe s go to mowing that lawn. Bye bye Oysterfest, it was fun while it lasted. No more Jazz festival either. Whew the list keeps getting bigger and bigger. Big difference in not being able to access public space temporarily for an event and only being able to access that space for a fee to same event. Listen, if the public wants to do it fine, but then why not a cut of the pie? So let the city close down your entire block for a day and for a permit fee give it over to a private entity who can then park cars there for a fee. During that time you cannot enter that street or park your car without paying that fee. It's a deal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: Big difference in not being able to access public space temporarily for an event and only being able to access that space for a fee to same event. Not true at all. You could have volunteered your time and effort in exchange for a free ticket to the events. Someone has to pay for marketing, insurance, dj's, sound system, entertainment, management etc... If you can't afford it, volunteer, but don't try to ruin it for everyone else. Some of us think the $60 ticket is a bargain compared to the $100 for the same event in the city. Those spaces are free 99% of the time. Lighten up a little and I won't park my car in front of your house anymore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Big difference in not being able to access public space temporarily for an event and only being able to access that space for a fee to same event. Not true at all. You could have volunteered your time and effort in exchange for a free ticket to the events. Someone has to pay for marketing, insurance, dj's, sound system, entertainment, management etc... If you can't afford it, volunteer, but don't try to ruin it for everyone else. Some of us think the $60 ticket is a bargain compared to the $100 for the same event in the city. Those spaces are free 99% of the time. Lighten up a little and I won't park my car in front of your house anymore. You refuse to see the point. I could buy and sell you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
So should the Pride festivities be moved or cancelled? Since I can't use that park when playing with my dogs? I could see your point if this was a regular thing, but this happened once all summer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:08:33 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Big difference in not being able to access public space temporarily for an event and only being able to access that space for a fee to same event. Not true at all. You could have volunteered your time and effort in exchange for a free ticket to the events. Someone has to pay for marketing, insurance, dj's, sound system, entertainment, management etc... If you can't afford it, volunteer, but don't try to ruin it for everyone else. Some of us think the $60 ticket is a bargain compared to the $100 for the same event in the city. Those spaces are free 99% of the time. Lighten up a little and I won't park my car in front of your house anymore. You refuse to see the point. I could buy and sell you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: So should the Pride festivities be moved or cancelled? Since I can't use that park when playing with my dogs? I could see your point if this was a regular thing, but this happened once all summer No problem disagreeing. I said it already, I have a fundamental problem with closing public space and charging the public to enter. You want to put vendors there to sell me something, okay, but charge me to enter - no. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
The use of the beach was not free for Sand Blast. The city charges a fee for the use of the area and depending on the number of guests the fee gets increased. The participants also have to buy a beach badge if they want to use the beach beyond the party. Weddings have to pay a fee, and so do all the other events that take place on the beach the boardwalk in the streets and also the parks. If anyone would like to look at the fee schedule I suggest you reach out to Tom Gilmour he would be able to provide that information. The event coordinator/promoter is also responsible to pay for Police/Fire/Ems and whatever services are needed from the city. Unless the event is hosted by the city the taxpayer does not pay a dime. Hope this sheds some light on concerns. Garrett Giberson, Employee and resident/tax payer of Asbury Park In a message dated 7/20/2010 5:11:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dfsav...@yahoo.com writes: --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Big difference in not being able to access public space temporarily for an event and only being able to access that space for a fee to same event. Not true at all. You could have volunteered your time and effort in exchange for a free ticket to the events. Someone has to pay for marketing, insurance, dj's, sound system, entertainment, management etc... If you can't afford it, volunteer, but don't try to ruin it for everyone else. Some of us think the $60 ticket is a bargain compared to the $100 for the same event in the city. Those spaces are free 99% of the time. Lighten up a little and I won't park my car in front of your house anymore. You refuse to see the point. I could buy and sell you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
Oh yeah, one more thing. All events such as the ones that took place this past weekend do come before a special events committee. Recommendations are then given to the City Council and they have the final say if the event happens or not. Garrett Giberson In a message dated 7/20/2010 5:44:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dfsav...@yahoo.com writes: --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , cbrianwatk...@... wrote: So should the Pride festivities be moved or cancelled? Since I can't use that park when playing with my dogs? I could see your point if this was a regular thing, but this happened once all summer No problem disagreeing. I said it already, I have a fundamental problem with closing public space and charging the public to enter. You want to put vendors there to sell me something, okay, but charge me to enter - no. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gg...@... wrote: Oh yeah, one more thing. All events such as the ones that took place this past weekend do come before a special events committee. Recommendations are then given to the City Council and they have the final say if the event happens or not. The city has to make money. Anyone have an idea on how much parking meters have taken in along with ticketing for parking? Roll back the clock to the first gay pride parade which was on the boardwalk. I had a place way back then. The one mother with kid on a deserted boardwalk ran for cover - it was more like a gay rights here we are parade. The houses then were near worthless and the city coudln't collect a dime in taxes. The city should make more use of it's main asset - the beach - charge away. Someone should produce a gay version of Bay Watch - in AP. Look at all the people this weekend in AP. The weekdays are pretty quiet - you still need MORE housing, more day trippers and more local weekday residents. AP is still lacking all of the above to really support day business in AP. That's why you need events to bring them in with disposable cash. Not even can dish out $3.25 for a slice of pizza now. Before you know winter will be here. Just an observation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: 1. What's the story with the lights at Kingsley/Cookman/Asbury Ave? - I parked the west side of Kingsley and played chicken with the traffic last night getting across. 2. Street lights - people complained those lights look terrible. However - there are not enough lights down Asbury Ave/cookman, around the Esperanza (3rd/4th ave). 3. didn't see any PD around the meters last night - and the meter at Asbury Ave and Ocean Ave was out (next to the casino)...and those directions are hard to read at night and the guy in front of me used a credit card. It took about 3 minutes for it go through. 4. HOT TUNA - my brother in law lvoed it as we walked by - that's from our time - reminded him he has about 6 years on me. And is it that neccessary to try to hide the stage from viewers on the boardwalk with another row of banners? Pretty soon they'll start charging for boardwalk seating - better then the the PNC views for sure. 5. Still don't know why some places close up at 9pm in the middle of the summer and 85 degrees out. Light at Asbury/Cookman/Kinglsey is a disaster waiting to happen. Most people roll through stop signs and simply ignore that a flashing red light (Kingsley and Cookman) is a stop sign. I have to blare my horn each time I roll through on Asbury whether on two or four wheels. Grand Avenue is another disaster. Take the traffic lights away if they are not going to be used. Some traveling on Grand keep stopping thinking maybe they are out. Personally, I think the lights should be used. Too many roll through east/west stop signs. MM pays for the cops monitoring the meters. A joke. We need those bike cops back. Late Saturday cops checking coolers on beach for alcohol and issued tickets. Should be patrolling streets and stopping muggings. Someone got mugged getting off the train Friday. And lastly, Road Trip has lost its original intent as a real estate marketing tool to have people buy in AP. Nothing but a money-making circuit party for the organizer(s). And I resent (and will speak up) against the closing of any public property for a private event for which you have to pay. Why should a section of the beach be closed off so a private group (bs on the not-for-profit) can charge $45 and $60 to get in there? Why should the CH/Paramount arcade - a public easement be closed Friday Night (Meet and Greet) and you have to pay $15 to get in? This should not happen next year. Go rent a PRIVATE venue and do not close a PUBLIC area that I pay taxes and beach fees to use. That goes for weddings on the beach too that have had the nerve to ask people to move while setting up? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
MM pays for the cops monitoring the meters. A joke. We need those bike cops back. Late Saturday cops checking coolers on beach for alcohol and issued tickets. Should be patrolling streets and stopping muggings. Someone got mugged getting off the train Friday. They want you to BUY your alcohol so you can consume it in public. Maybe the CITY should lease out rights to Jetty Bars or the rights to peddle beer on the beach - like a ball game. Keep it family. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
I can't even go on the beach between 5th and Asbury Ave anymore, its worse then Belmar or Point, always stepping over people, babies kicking sand in your face, way too crowded etc etc Been going to North Beach, less crowded, Johnny G's and no police checking my cooler for my Red Stripe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:54:43 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS MM pays for the cops monitoring the meters. A joke. We need those bike cops back. Late Saturday cops checking coolers on beach for alcohol and issued tickets. Should be patrolling streets and stopping muggings. Someone got mugged getting off the train Friday. They want you to BUY your alcohol so you can consume it in public. Maybe the CITY should lease out rights to Jetty Bars or the rights to peddle beer on the beach - like a ball game. Keep it family. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
...locals ARE supposed to go North of CH. That's the way it was. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
We never really used North Beach because our friends and family would come down with the kids and such, so being by the playground/waterpark was our main goal Now friends and fam are loving North Beach Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:02:59 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS ...locals ARE supposed to go North of CH. That's the way it was. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: And lastly, Road Trip has lost its original intent as a real estate marketing tool to have people buy in AP. Nothing but a money-making circuit party for the organizer(s). Yes, it lost its original intent because the real estate market went south. Don't be upset at the Roadtrip organizers; take it up with the realtors who didn't sponsor the real estate side of the event as they have in the past. The realtors dropped the ball on this weekend when they stopped selling homes and making money because of the economy. Why didn't they take a chance with their own money by hosting a real estate trolley like they did in the past, where were all the open houses etc...? And I resent (and will speak up) against the closing of any public property for a private event for which you have to pay. Why should a section of the beach be closed off so a private group (bs on the not-for-profit) can charge $45 and $60 to get in there? Why should the CH/Paramount arcade - a public easement be closed Friday Night (Meet and Greet) and you have to pay $15 to get in? This should not happen next year. Go rent a PRIVATE venue and do not close a PUBLIC area that I pay taxes and beach fees to use. That goes for weddings on the beach too that have had the nerve to ask people to move while setting up? uummm maybe because the weekend events (including Tiesto) brought in over 8,000 people who packed every hotel and BB in Asbury and Ocean Grove and the people also over loaded the meters with money and shopped and dined in Asbury stores and eateries? The town made money on the people who attended. What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I guess if we stop these events we have to stop all events like volleyball, lifeguard competitions, polar bear plunges, marathons, art fairs, fireworks etc boy the beach is getting boring. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Observations this weekend...- Road Trip BS
Oh please, AP was never about real estate marketing in the first place. That concept is the biggest failure of this city ever. It's about a beach, a boardwalk, a music scene, and once upon a time, entertainment on a scale we know nothing about anymore. The real estate push is about a bunch of greedy people who care more about making money off of people then creating something unique and culturally rewarding. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oOoOoOo mark07...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: And lastly, Road Trip has lost its original intent as a real estate marketing tool to have people buy in AP. Nothing but a money-making circuit party for the organizer(s). Yes, it lost its original intent because the real estate market went south. Don't be upset at the Roadtrip organizers; take it up with the realtors who didn't sponsor the real estate side of the event as they have in the past. The realtors dropped the ball on this weekend when they stopped selling homes and making money because of the economy. Why didn't they take a chance with their own money by hosting a real estate trolley like they did in the past, where were all the open houses etc...? And I resent (and will speak up) against the closing of any public property for a private event for which you have to pay. Why should a section of the beach be closed off so a private group (bs on the not-for-profit) can charge $45 and $60 to get in there? Why should the CH/Paramount arcade - a public easement be closed Friday Night (Meet and Greet) and you have to pay $15 to get in? This should not happen next year. Go rent a PRIVATE venue and do not close a PUBLIC area that I pay taxes and beach fees to use. That goes for weddings on the beach too that have had the nerve to ask people to move while setting up? uummm maybe because the weekend events (including Tiesto) brought in over 8,000 people who packed every hotel and BB in Asbury and Ocean Grove and the people also over loaded the meters with money and shopped and dined in Asbury stores and eateries? The town made money on the people who attended. What was the inconvenience for you? You had to walk around the building on Friday during the 4 hr window that they had the party? I would rather the out of towners come to Asbury and spend their money and keep my taxes low. People who didn't pay for the beach event got the same entertainment for FREE as people who paid $60! Is it that important for you to set up a blanket against the building? I guess if we stop these events we have to stop all events like volleyball, lifeguard competitions, polar bear plunges, marathons, art fairs, fireworks etc boy the beach is getting boring. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
