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I'd love to! Some of the nicest people live there! I beleive that there are 3 New Jerseys. The so-called industrial North, central, which is us, although my Northern friends call Asbury South Jersey, and South Jersey, that calls Asbury, North Jersey! Jerseyjohn and others, I'm no longer going to post about racism, racist attitudes, etc., Why? You have a poster who either has his/her head in the sand and nothing you or I say will convince him/her, otherwise. IT EXISTS! Just look at who runs the government to who runs the prisons. Oh yeah, we've made progress. I can walk into a restaurant and hopefully be served. What happened to all the dime stores like Woolworths, Newberrys, Kress, McCrory's, etc.? They ALL went out of business! Why? They didn't change with the times! Sure lunch counters were integrated in the 60's but who would eat from these greasy spoons? Also, if you do business with the government, you HAVE to hire minorities, as in Blacks. Why? We pay federal tax, too! We pay ncome tax, too! Just as the revolutionaries argued against paying tax to King george without representation, why should any black person pay taxes? We're not represented fairly. Matter of fact, we should be exempt, until reparations are paid to us for 450 years of free labor, okay Blue Bishop? How'd you go to law school? What did your parents do for a living? Did you have a maid? Butler? Mexican gardener? Au pair? You sound like you've been under a rock, don't read the papers, never heard of police brutality, Abner Louima, Emmett Till, or the T- shirts, NYC cops wore during the Giuilani Administration, We Own The Night! NO? Italians, Irish, German, ALL have been discriminated from the moment they touched these shores! You need a lesson in History! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *yawn* next time I go to my parents, you wanna come down to a farm? You wanna see how chickens go from an egg to your grocery store? Wanna see sausage made? Did you ever wonder why it's called scrapple? do you know WHY butchers wear white aprons? You're probably too busy in your quests to take a drive down to Cumberland County for an afternoon, so how can you expect some basketball star to take a month out of his too brief career to see how his shoes are made? Me, I personally know too many good Americans who are out of work to worry about some Malayindopolynesian who is working. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly, we have been asking Nike endorsed athletes to come with us to Indonesia for quite a while, so that they can meet personally the people who make their clothes and shoes, and who are working in sweatshops. But most athletes don't want to go to Indonesia or Mexico or Thailand to meet sweatshop workers firsthand b/c then they might feel guilty and they can't continue to be conveniently uninformed - the whole if I don't see it, it doesn't exist thing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: AOL Email boone37 It's no need in wasting your breath with blue bishop. He is indeed an arrogant, unsophisticated,know nothing individual. He is behind the times,and has no real awareness of other peoples plight. A person like him is dangerous. So you can only feel sorry for the poor misguided man, if that's what he is. We know the plight of the people, and not just ours. Racism flows in both ways. What need to be done is the education of our people, i mean the real facts about our people, not just from the slavery aspect.Our children need to know their true history and worth. We were KINGS QUEENS on this earth, while a few were still in caves(no offence). Racism is the ignorance of the nature of a people, and fear that these people will rise back to the position that they held before.It all has to go back to where it came from, just like fashion.They know it, and that's whysome struggle so hard to keep us back.Whenever there is period where the people start educating themselves, they push another drug on the market so as to rock you back to sleep for another 10 or 20 yrs. It's ben proven. Now we are at the point where a lot of the youth think their only way out is selling drugs or taking drugs. It's a sad situation, but nonetheless, straight out genocide. mental genocide with physical impressions.We have to teach our own, and teach them true history, and not have us worshipping the forefathers who never gave a damn about us as black people. The education system is still playing games with our youth. They make us think mcdonalds is a good job, they work there to, but in a few months, they are managers, then owners. Education is the key.We definitely need to teach our own history. The curicullum in schools now are passe.That's why the children don't care about going, nothing to spark their interest. I took a business management course ,and during the history part of it, this teacher had the audacity to tell the class, no black people were here before columbus. Terrible hunh? But these are the conditions we subject our children to.All that negative rap, it's absurd. They know how to keep up with those nasty words better than they know their abc's. So a lot of it is our fault to. But the part that belongs to the others, we definitely have to fight.We can't let them or ourselves keep us at the bottom of the rung. Peace. p.s. And those racist who call us ns, they have to understand that there are ns in all races. And theirs are a damn sight worse than ours. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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ATALAC48 and Sharon Boone: If you want to continually paint Black people as being nothing more than trampled upon victims, oppressed by racism and unable to help themselves, then I suggest it is you that is hurting them, not anyone else. My view of American Blacks is quite different. Since you inquired about my past, and wondered about my butlers, maids, etc., I will fill you in correctly. I was raised on Asbury's west side. I was about 9 when the riots occurred, and stayed right here while it occurred (where were you two?). Considering where I was and the time frame, you are a tad off about the butlers and maids. For many years, I was the only white kid in my class. My view of Black people today is shaped by my interactions back then. As I recall, the smartest kid in the class was black. The nicest kid in the class was black. The kid with the wealthiest parents in the class was black. The best looking kid was black. The best-dressed kid was black. The most talented athlete was black. The most talented musician was black. My view of American Blacks is, by experience, very positive. They were the dominant and admired people in my neighborhood when I was growing up. What I don't recall was any of these successful black people crying about racism and claiming to be held down and oppressed. They excelled. They loved the American dream and worked it. Asbury's 3 days of riots was not performed by a majority of Asbury Park's black people. It was a handful of lawbreakers, and most of Asbury Park's black people wanted nothing to do with it. My best recollection of that time was our black neighbors and friends coming to our house during the riots. Staying with us, eating with us, sitting on our porch. Making sure we weren't the target of lawbreakers just because we were white. It was a real show of black/white solidarity against those few lawbreakers that were wrecking the City. A positive story of Black civility that you won't read in the AP Press. The Asbury Park Press will only tell stories where black people look like thugs out committing crimes. My recollection of Asbury Park black people is much nicer, and far more accurate. If you want to join the Press in portraying Black people as wild animals, or as you protray them - some poor lot consumed by racism who don't have the guts to help themselves, be my guest. Lump everyone together as if they don't have their own minds. But I ask you - who among us is actually the racist? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boone37 It's no need in wasting your breath with blue bishop. He is indeed an arrogant, unsophisticated,know nothing individual. He is behind the times,and has no real awareness of other peoples plight. A person like him is dangerous. So you can only feel sorry for the poor misguided man, if that's what he is. We know the plight of the people, and not just ours. Racism flows in both ways. What need to be done is the education of our people, i mean the real facts about our people, not just from the slavery aspect.Our children need to know their true history and worth. We were KINGS QUEENS on this earth, while a few were still in caves(no offence). Racism is the ignorance of the nature of a people, and fear that these people will rise back to the position that they held before.It all has to go back to where it came from, just like fashion.They know it, and that's why some struggle so hard to keep us back.Whenever there is period where the people start educating themselves, they push another drug on the market so as to rock you back to sleep for another 10 or 20 yrs. It's ben proven. Now we are at the point where a lot of the youth think their only way out is selling drugs or taking drugs. It's a sad situation, but nonetheless, straight out genocide. mental genocide with physical impressions.We have to teach our own, and teach them true history, and not have us worshipping the forefathers who never gave a damn about us as black people. The education system is still playing games with our youth. They make us think mcdonalds is a good job, they work there to, but in a few months, they are managers, then owners. Education is the key.We definitely need to teach our own history. The curicullum in schools now are passe.That's why the children don't care about going, nothing to spark their interest. I took a business management course ,and during the history part of it, this teacher had the audacity to tell the class, no black people were here before columbus. Terrible hunh? But these are the conditions we subject our children to.All that negative rap, it's absurd. They know how to keep up with those nasty words better than they know their abc's. So a lot of it is our fault to. But the part that belongs to the others, we definitely have to fight.We can't
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half of these guys with these endorsement deals couldn't find the country on a map - then again, I'm sure many of us couldn't either. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: AOL Email Like i said , some people are just too blind to see it, or are in denial. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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See, you are describing incidents and individuals outside of AP. I stand by my point that AP is the least racist place any of us have been to. Also, asserting the vague victimology scenarios below as something that could happen, without actual complaints of them really happening, is racist against white people. That stuff isn't happening here. Facts are important. Anyone have any? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question to be asked is What is racism? If you define racism as overt incidences of discrimination by white people against black people such as hate crimes, name calling, etc... which might be found pre-1964 in the South, then yes, one would say there is no racism in Asbury Park or in Monmouth County. There are no lynchings and no white only entrances to restaurants. But if you define racism on a broader scale, then one might see it more frequently. Examples of individual and institutional racism are black or other people of color: - having a more difficult time securing bank loans, - having a more difficult time securing employment - receiving a poorer quality public education than white or multicultural schools - being followed or shadowed in a store as if they intend to steal something - being pulled over by police as if they have stolen the car they are in or are doing something wrong - watching white people instinctively clutch their wallet / purse when seeing a black person walking down the street. These types of incidences add to the accumulated experiences of racism that are alive in the minds and memories of black people. I am white, but I know this from continuous, extended conversations with black people about racism. For the record, during the run up to the AP Council election, I had three separate conversations with people from Asbury Park - two with straight white men and one with a gay white man - where they ultimately said that poor black people in the Southwest quadrant of Asbury Park should just move to Neptune so that we in Asbury don't have to deal with their problems anymore. I have had two separate conversations in the past 3 months with white people outside of Asbury Park who - without hesitating or showing signs of maybe I shouldn't say this out loud - said that Asbury Park won't come back until they get all of the blacks out. And just last year, my husband Jim watched Bradley Beach police follow two black boys from Asbury Park who were simply riding their bikes. The two bicycle cops called for back up, and a police car came screaching down the street and hit one of the boys, knocking him off of his bike and breaking the pedal. Jim called the police out on their excessive force, and after Jim wrote down their license plate numbers, they arrested him as well. There is so much more to talk about, particularly how race and class are tied together. Suffice it to say that racism in 2005 is more than simply the N word and segregated beaches. I would argue strongly that it exists in Asbury Park, but certainly no more (and actually a little less) than it exists in other places in the US where I have visited and lived. I hope that Educating for Justice, once we are finished our feature-length film on sweatshops, can become more involved in Asbury on these issues. Leslie Kretzu Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:28:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry folks but AP is not a racist place. Tom, On this point, you are delusional. I would like to invite you for a summer evening walk around AP to explore this issue in the trenches. Interested? Peace, Jim Keady YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Are you suggesting that by taking a casual walk around AP we will witness or experience acts of racism committed by fellow Asbury Parkers? I hope you aren't suggesting that. That wouldn't exactly make you a poster-boy for Asbury Park tourism, shopping, night-life, etc, Councilman. I will walk about Asbury, as I do everyday, with you or anyone else who would like to attend. See you in our wonderful, serene little pleasantville! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:28:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry folks but AP is not a racist place. Tom, On this point, you are delusional. I would like to invite you for a summer evening walk around AP to explore this issue in the trenches. Interested? Peace, Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 2:54:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you suggesting that by taking a casual walk around AP we will witness or experience acts of racism committed by fellow Asbury Parkers? No Tom. We will walk around AP and talk to people about their experiences. We will not be "attending" one of your walks, we will be making a deliberate effort to meet with people who may have a very different take on racism in Asbury Park than you do. As for being "a poster-boy" for Asbury Park... I didn't run, nor was I elected, to be a poster boy. I ran to serve the people of this community and to promote social justice in this city. Peace, Jim Keady SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 2:14:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See, you are describing incidents and individuals outside of AP. No, I said three Asbury Park citizens I spoke with prior to the election said poor black people should just move to Neptune so we don't have to deal with their problems. vague "victimology" scenarios below as something that could happen, without actual complaints of them really happening, is racist against white people. That stuff isn't happening here. I am not saying these things ONLY happen in Asbury Park. I'm acknowledging that these types of incidents happen around the country, and Asbury Park is not an exception. For example, you have said yourself that Asbury Park High School is a de facto segregated school where students get a poorer quality education than most other schools in Monmouth County.I agree. It's very difficult to talk with you, Tommy, when you feel that any critique of Asbury Park - however minor - is a personal slap in the face. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Jim, As for being a poster-boy for Asbury Park... I didn't run, nor was I elected, to be a poster boy. I, on the other hand, will gladly assume the role as poster boy for AP, and I'm quite proud of it. No Tom. We will walk around AP and talk to people about their experiences. We will not be attending one of your walks, we will be making a deliberate effort to meet with people who may have a very different take on racism in Asbury Park than you do. If we are going to listen to more people claim there is racism, or that the've heard of it, without actually experiencing it like those hypothesizing on this board, what's the point? I say again Councilman, this isn't a racist city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 3:29:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we are going to listen to more people claim there is racism, or that the've heard of it, without actually experiencing it like those hypothesizing on this board, what's the point? No. We're going to meet them face to face and listen to their firsthand experiences. Feel free to let me know when you would like to go. Peace, JWK YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Double teamed by Keady and Kretzu! Unfair! No, I said three Asbury Park citizens I spoke with prior to the election said poor black people should just move to Neptune so we don't have to deal with their problems. This is a paraphrase I am assuming. It isn't clear if this is classism referring to poor as opposed to racism - two very different things. So, these guys apparantly are the voice, heart and soul of AP? A description of them is who we are? I don't think so. vague victimology scenarios below as something that could happen, without actual complaints of them really happening, is racist against white people. That stuff isn't happening here. I am not saying these things ONLY happen in Asbury Park. I'm acknowledging that these types of incidents happen around the country, and Asbury Park is not an exception. Yes Asbury Park is an exception!!! Why must you assume bad things about AP because you are so sure they are happening elsewhere? That's as wrong as if I calculated: There are some bad people elsewhere, Leslie is a person, therefore Leslie is a bad person. See the unfairness of assuming a fact against someone because they belong to a larger class? What's the word for that? Oh yea! Prejudice! For example, you have said yourself that Asbury Park High School is a de facto segregated school where students get a poorer quality education than most other schools in Monmouth County. I agree. The outside world created that. It supports my point that the racists are elsewhere, not here. It's very difficult to talk with you, Tommy, when you feel that any critique of Asbury Park - however minor - is a personal slap in the face. You will understand when you fully transition into a full Asbury Parker. If I made a negative, sweeping gerneralization about the Kretzu family, as a member of the family, you would take it as a personal slap. Not hard to understand. If you make a negative sweeping generalization about Asbury Park, yes, those of us that have a familial association with the City take it as a personal slap in the face. Can't help it -it just happens. Not hard to understand. It is my hope that someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness with this City that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 3:48:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is my hope that someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness with this City that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general. Tom, Although this comment was directed to Leslie, I did want to address it. Looking at today's headlines,if one were to point out that Major Leaguer, Rafael Palmeiro, tested positive for steriods, that is a fact. If someone states this fact, should all the players in the league feel they are being personally criticized because this fact is being pointed out? Of course not. Might all the players feel betrayed, angry, etc.? Sure, but this does not change the fact. On a more personal level, if my grandmother were an alcoholic and someone pointed it out publicly, would that make me upset and possibly embarassed? Sure. But would it negate the fact if it were true? No. Thetruth is, racism exists in Asbury Park. The fact that you do not want to accept it and deal with it honestly is immature. And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. Peace, Jim Keady SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Jim you say of me: And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. So now you change the subject from racism to attacks about my use of intellect. And you come to this conclusion about me still without citing any reference to actual incidents of racism in AP. I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? As usual for liberals, when you are confronted with the baselessness of your alarming claims, instead of conceding the point, you resort to name calling. You don't support your conclusion with facts. You try to support your conclusion with: Anyone disagreeing with me is not employing my level of intellectualism. Rather elitist, don't you think? Happy to have learned my debating skills at APHS not CBA, I remain, BlueBishop82. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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For example, you have said yourself that Asbury Park High School is a de facto segregated school where students get a poorer quality education than most other schools in Monmouth County. I agree. So who's to blame? 1. Is it the lack of control in a classroom. 2. Blame the teachers for failing to teach 3. The non-parent factor 4. The stability of a household 5. The lack of recreational activities 6. Drugs and Crime in the home surroundings Definitely not the lack of money dumped in.and not from Asbury PArk tax payers. Money dumped in by the truckload from other communities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:35:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Is it the lack of control in a classroom.2. Blame the teachers for failing to teach3. The "non-parent" factor4. The stability of a household5. The lack of recreational activities6. Drugs and Crime in the home surroundings All of the above. Now we take it to another level and do the analysis on why each of these is occuring. Once we have the deep and clear analysis, then we can honestly start to treat the roots of the problems. No band-aid solutions are going to work. Peace, JWK YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Title: AOL Email Number 5 lack of recreational activities: I feel these kids know how to play enough. They need venues that will prepare them to make money besides selling drugs. Teach them and expand their horizons. Open up training and create jobs that will be something for them to look up to, instead of mcdonalds, kfc,taco bells. Teach them business skills, mechanic skills, etc. Lord forbid that they should be taught more games, and giving them basketball courts. That's just something to slow them down. It doesn't take intelligence to play games. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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`If I made a negative, sweeping gerneralization about the Kretzu family, as a member of the family, you would take it as a personal slap. those of us that have a familial association with the City take it as a personal slap in the face. Can't help it -it just happens. someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general.' Poor Tommy; one day when all the dragons are slain he'll invent more so that he can again mount his gallant steed. Seems Asbury's bad old days, pre-signing of the great Fish-hope the redevelopment agreement, racial tensions were high, crime was common, business and the schools suffered, and the middle class, including the DeSeno clan, fled to safer ground. Then an amazing thing happened, The Fishman discovered a new land, full of promise, where councilman were only too happy to give away the keys to the city, all manner of lawyers were delighted to do his bidding, where property taxes by way of abatement were virtually nonexistent and very soon the streets would be paved with gold; all could be had by anyone willing to sell their soul. Then when all looked oakey dokey a few rabble rousers, undoubtedly liberals, began making outrageous claims; the streets were not of gold simply gone, the historic buildings ought not be left to fall into the sea, racial tensions had not declined, residents on the west side were not sharing in the rebirth, The Fishman warned not to bring your children and the promised redevelopment jobs were not to be. Then Tommy had a flash of genius; he took to the ramparts (the 3 village news) and announced to one and all Mission Accomplished. The rest is history. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim you say of me: And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. So now you change the subject from racism to attacks about my use of intellect. And you come to this conclusion about me still without citing any reference to actual incidents of racism in AP. I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? As usual for liberals, when you are confronted with the baselessness of your alarming claims, instead of conceding the point, you resort to name calling. You don't support your conclusion with facts. You try to support your conclusion with: Anyone disagreeing with me is not employing my level of intellectualism. Rather elitist, don't you think? Happy to have learned my debating skills at APHS not CBA, I remain, BlueBishop82. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: AOL Email like i said some folk are in deep denial YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Skippy, And by all of that below are you joining the discussion of whether AP is or isn't a racist place? I don't think I see you taking a postion on the subject. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `If I made a negative, sweeping gerneralization about the Kretzu family, as a member of the family, you would take it as a personal slap. those of us that have a familial association with the City take it as a personal slap in the face. Can't help it -it just happens. someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general.' Poor Tommy; one day when all the dragons are slain he'll invent more so that he can again mount his gallant steed. Seems Asbury's bad old days, pre-signing of the great Fish-hope the redevelopment agreement, racial tensions were high, crime was common, business and the schools suffered, and the middle class, including the DeSeno clan, fled to safer ground. Then an amazing thing happened, The Fishman discovered a new land, full of promise, where councilman were only too happy to give away the keys to the city, all manner of lawyers were delighted to do his bidding, where property taxes by way of abatement were virtually nonexistent and very soon the streets would be paved with gold; all could be had by anyone willing to sell their soul. Then when all looked oakey dokey a few rabble rousers, undoubtedly liberals, began making outrageous claims; the streets were not of gold simply gone, the historic buildings ought not be left to fall into the sea, racial tensions had not declined, residents on the west side were not sharing in the rebirth, The Fishman warned not to bring your children and the promised redevelopment jobs were not to be. Then Tommy had a flash of genius; he took to the ramparts (the 3 village news) and announced to one and all Mission Accomplished. The rest is history. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim you say of me: And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. So now you change the subject from racism to attacks about my use of intellect. And you come to this conclusion about me still without citing any reference to actual incidents of racism in AP. I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? As usual for liberals, when you are confronted with the baselessness of your alarming claims, instead of conceding the point, you resort to name calling. You don't support your conclusion with facts. You try to support your conclusion with: Anyone disagreeing with me is not employing my level of intellectualism. Rather elitist, don't you think? Happy to have learned my debating skills at APHS not CBA, I remain, BlueBishop82. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Altalac48: Still waiting for you to list actual incidents, not generalities, of racism in AP. Or, does just repeating over and over people are in denial somehow prove your point that racism exists? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like i said some folk are in deep denial Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Title: AOL Email i gave you an example the other day. Did you read it or did you just delete it? I know it's here and don't have to rewrite the racism i describe. If you failed to read it or fail to see it, it's on you. I have no reason to lie. Others are telling you about the racism they've encountered and you are still too blind to see it. So it's worthless and useless continuing to repeat the same thing over and over to the blind. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:48:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lord forbid that they should be taught more games, and giving them basketball courts. That's just something to slow them down. It doesn't take intelligence to play games. As a former pro athlete and coach, I might disagree with you that it does not take intelligence to play games. In fact, there is a quite a bit of research out there in the education field that talks about athletic or "Bodily-kinesthetic" intelligence. However... I agree with you 100% that we need to be providing a whole range of opportunities for our kids. I recently had a very productive meeting with the director of the Boys and Girls Club and we discussed creating three advisory boards for their organization to improve and expand their level of services - facilities board, recreation board, early childhood education board. Would you be willing to serve on one of these to help us deal with the issues you raised in your email? Peace, JWK YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Title: AOL Email You know what? I might actually like that. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:56:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still waiting for you to list actual incidents, not generalities, of racism in AP. Tom, I am still waiting for you to commit to a "walk and meet" with me regarding the race issue. Peace, JWK SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Title: AOL Email I think tom is a debater and that's about it.You can hit him in the face with a pie and he'll tell you it was cake. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism You bet!
And by all of that below are you joining the discussion of whether AP is or isn't a racist place? I don't think I see you taking a postion on the subject. Tommy, we live in a racist nation; it was so with our forefathers, it was so for Blacks, Native Indians, Chinese, Irish, Italians, Polish, Jews, Muslims, you name it. Saying it ain't so won't make it so. This country has always found it convenient to ignore structural problems and spin whimsical tales of self aggrandizement, be they as the land of the free, home of capitalism or center of democratic ideals, tradition and government. That each of these foundation stones of the great American myth are cut of holey cloth has never gotten in the way of spreading the message. Is Asbury racist? You bet! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skippy, And by all of that below are you joining the discussion of whether AP is or isn't a racist place? I don't think I see you taking a postion on the subject. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `If I made a negative, sweeping gerneralization about the Kretzu family, as a member of the family, you would take it as a personal slap. those of us that have a familial association with the City take it as a personal slap in the face. Can't help it -it just happens. someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general.' Poor Tommy; one day when all the dragons are slain he'll invent more so that he can again mount his gallant steed. Seems Asbury's bad old days, pre-signing of the great Fish-hope the redevelopment agreement, racial tensions were high, crime was common, business and the schools suffered, and the middle class, including the DeSeno clan, fled to safer ground. Then an amazing thing happened, The Fishman discovered a new land, full of promise, where councilman were only too happy to give away the keys to the city, all manner of lawyers were delighted to do his bidding, where property taxes by way of abatement were virtually nonexistent and very soon the streets would be paved with gold; all could be had by anyone willing to sell their soul. Then when all looked oakey dokey a few rabble rousers, undoubtedly liberals, began making outrageous claims; the streets were not of gold simply gone, the historic buildings ought not be left to fall into the sea, racial tensions had not declined, residents on the west side were not sharing in the rebirth, The Fishman warned not to bring your children and the promised redevelopment jobs were not to be. Then Tommy had a flash of genius; he took to the ramparts (the 3 village news) and announced to one and all Mission Accomplished. The rest is history. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim you say of me: And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. So now you change the subject from racism to attacks about my use of intellect. And you come to this conclusion about me still without citing any reference to actual incidents of racism in AP. I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? As usual for liberals, when you are confronted with the baselessness of your alarming claims, instead of conceding the point, you resort to name calling. You don't support your conclusion with facts. You try to support your conclusion with: Anyone disagreeing with me is not employing my level of intellectualism. Rather elitist, don't you think? Happy to have learned my debating skills at APHS not CBA, I remain, BlueBishop82. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:02:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? Tom, Three people during my campaigning commented to me that the best thing for AP would be to move the blacks out of town. These were/are racist comments and these were registered voters in Asbury Park. So at least on three occaisions in the very recent past, racism existed in Asbury Park. I also met just two weeks ago with a woman who detailed how she was "red-lined" for a bank loan to purchase a home in AP. This was another instance of an Asbury Parker dealing with racism. Stop your nonsense Tom. This isn't a game or a high school debate. Peace, JWK YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism You bet!
Speak for yourself. Asbury is not racist. Neither is America. Perhaps you're younger than I thought (or you look). Even republicans have parents; ask your parents whether they've ever heard tales of Italians being discriminated against. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skippy, Speak for yourself. Asbury is not racist. Neither is America. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by all of that below are you joining the discussion of whether AP is or isn't a racist place? I don't think I see you taking a postion on the subject. Tommy, we live in a racist nation; it was so with our forefathers, it was so for Blacks, Native Indians, Chinese, Irish, Italians, Polish, Jews, Muslims, you name it. Saying it ain't so won't make it so. This country has always found it convenient to ignore structural problems and spin whimsical tales of self aggrandizement, be they as the land of the free, home of capitalism or center of democratic ideals, tradition and government. That each of these foundation stones of the great American myth are cut of holey cloth has never gotten in the way of spreading the message. Is Asbury racist? You bet! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skippy, And by all of that below are you joining the discussion of whether AP is or isn't a racist place? I don't think I see you taking a postion on the subject. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: `If I made a negative, sweeping gerneralization about the Kretzu family, as a member of the family, you would take it as a personal slap. those of us that have a familial association with the City take it as a personal slap in the face. Can't help it -it just happens. someday, as a community leader in AP, you too will have such a persoanl closeness that you also take it as a personal criticism when you hear a criticism of AP in general.' Poor Tommy; one day when all the dragons are slain he'll invent more so that he can again mount his gallant steed. Seems Asbury's bad old days, pre-signing of the great Fish-hope the redevelopment agreement, racial tensions were high, crime was common, business and the schools suffered, and the middle class, including the DeSeno clan, fled to safer ground. Then an amazing thing happened, The Fishman discovered a new land, full of promise, where councilman were only too happy to give away the keys to the city, all manner of lawyers were delighted to do his bidding, where property taxes by way of abatement were virtually nonexistent and very soon the streets would be paved with gold; all could be had by anyone willing to sell their soul. Then when all looked oakey dokey a few rabble rousers, undoubtedly liberals, began making outrageous claims; the streets were not of gold simply gone, the historic buildings ought not be left to fall into the sea, racial tensions had not declined, residents on the west side were not sharing in the rebirth, The Fishman warned not to bring your children and the promised redevelopment jobs were not to be. Then Tommy had a flash of genius; he took to the ramparts (the 3 village news) and announced to one and all Mission Accomplished. The rest is history. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim you say of me: And to be clear, so that you do not twist my words, yes Tom, I am saying that you are being immature and along with it, intellectually dishonest regarding the issue of racism in Asbury Park. So now you change the subject from racism to attacks about my use of intellect. And you come to this conclusion about me still without citing any reference to actual incidents of racism in AP. I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? As usual for liberals, when you are confronted with the baselessness of your alarming claims, instead of conceding the point, you resort to name calling. You don't support your conclusion with facts. You try to support your conclusion with: Anyone disagreeing with me is not employing my level of intellectualism. Rather elitist, don't you think? Happy to have learned my debating skills at APHS not CBA, I remain, BlueBishop82. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
That bank isn't AP. That's an outsider. You just keep proving my point. Look Jim, you keep ending your posts with attacks about me personally (like below: Nonsence, gameplaying). I'm very serious about this. I haven't pointed out that your career depends upon the existance racism, so if you deny it exists your business becomes obsolete. That would be unfair as not relevant to what we are talking about, so that's why I haven't called attention to it. If that previous paragraph was out of line, then you know how I feel when you keep attacking me. Can you discuss this without ending your posts with an attack on me? Right now I doubt it, but I'm willing to give you another chance. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:02:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? Tom, Three people during my campaigning commented to me that the best thing for AP would be to move the blacks out of town. These were/are racist comments and these were registered voters in Asbury Park. So at least on three occaisions in the very recent past, racism existed in Asbury Park. I also met just two weeks ago with a woman who detailed how she was red-lined for a bank loan to purchase a home in AP. This was another instance of an Asbury Parker dealing with racism. Stop your nonsense Tom. This isn't a game or a high school debate. Peace, JWK Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't pointed out that your career depends upon the existance racism, so if you deny it exists your business becomes obsolete. So I guess then, that people like us, who have formed nonprofit organizations to deal with social injustices - like sweatshop labor, genocide, hunger, violence against women and things of that nature - really and truly WANT injustice to continue because if say sweatshops were eliminated, it would be difficult for us to make ends meet? unbelievable. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Tommy, you don't have the guts to tell me the insidious word that caused your apoplexy when you last left this board; however, your petty arguments and denial of simple fact are so unrelentingly tedious that I've decided it's time to unleash once again THAT word, which you so fear. You're a silly ass. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That bank isn't AP. That's an outsider. You just keep proving my point. Look Jim, you keep ending your posts with attacks about me personally (like below: Nonsence, gameplaying). I'm very serious about this. I haven't pointed out that your career depends upon the existance racism, so if you deny it exists your business becomes obsolete. That would be unfair as not relevant to what we are talking about, so that's why I haven't called attention to it. If that previous paragraph was out of line, then you know how I feel when you keep attacking me. Can you discuss this without ending your posts with an attack on me? Right now I doubt it, but I'm willing to give you another chance. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:02:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm on the floor laughing that you portray racism in epidemic proportions in AP without being able to cite a single instance of it. I'm intellectually dishonest? Tom, Three people during my campaigning commented to me that the best thing for AP would be to move the blacks out of town. These were/are racist comments and these were registered voters in Asbury Park. So at least on three occaisions in the very recent past, racism existed in Asbury Park. I also met just two weeks ago with a woman who detailed how she was red-lined for a bank loan to purchase a home in AP. This was another instance of an Asbury Parker dealing with racism. Stop your nonsense Tom. This isn't a game or a high school debate. Peace, JWK Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Leslie I believe I am considering the views of those who disagree with me right now. Are you? Apparantly if I disagree you, it absolutely can't be because I'm right. I must be because I'm not open. It takes a presumptuous person to claim the default postion of the world is they are right and others aren't open minded. Who is the close minded one here, Leslie? Does no one on this board give any credit to scientific analysis: Those who are complaining of racism aren't giving examples, therefore they are not supporting thier argument that racism exits. I simply won't let any of you get away with an insistance of rampant racism in AP based on your assumptions with no empirical evidence. I'd love to have this discussion in front of any scientific community and watch them marvel at your insistance of conclusions with no data. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:12:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Had anyone on this board cited instances of racism, I might go. Until then, I won't go with you in search of racists in Asbury Park, for the same reason I won't go with you in search of mermaids, unicorns, space aliens or intellegent liberals. He didn't ask you to go out finding racists, even though you apparently heard it that way. He asked you to go and meet some of the people that he knows would give you a different perspective than the one you have. Similarly, we have been asking Nike endorsed athletes to come with us to Indonesia for quite a while, so that they can meet personally the people who make their clothes and shoes, and who are working in sweatshops. But most athletes don't want to go to Indonesia or Mexico or Thailand to meet sweatshop workers firsthand b/c then they might feel guilty and they can't continue to be conveniently uninformed - the whole if I don't see it, it doesn't exist thing. You are doing the same - why not sit down with people who may give you information that challenges your beliefs rather than listening to Limbaugh-style folks who just reinforces your existing beliefs. Are you open to challenging your beliefs? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd love to have this discussion in front of any scientific community and watch them marvel at your insistance of conclusions with no data. Would you love to have this discussion at the West Side Community Center? I'm sure we can arrange it. Just let me know : ) SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leslie I believe I am considering the views of those who disagree with me right now. Are you? I always consider those with firsthand experience to be the primary source of knowledge. People working in Nike sweatshops, for example, know more about sweatshop conditionsthan Phil Knight and other executives working in a comfortable office in Oregon. So if I want to learn if racism is or is not present in Asbury Park, am I just going to talk to white people about it? No, I'm going to go to various people of color (African American, Haitian, Latino)living in Asbury Park and ask them what their experiences, comments, thoughts,wisdom, etc.. are on this topic. I'm considering your view, and I wholeheartedly disagree. You disagree with me. So, why notgo directly to those with the firsthand experience? SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism open to challenging your beliefs
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as blue bishop, who or what gives him the right to demand evidence? I LOVE THIS SENTENCE! Pretty much sums up the side of all of you, doesn't it. Yea, you're right. Who am I to demand evidence? How dare I ask you to show me you are right. What's wrong with me? I'm supposed to accept what you say, because as everyone is supposed to know, you guys are right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Dissenters aren't supposed to ask questions! The nerve of me to ask you to prove what you say and not simply accept it because you say so. What am I thinking? How are we ever going to have a free and open society if I don't agree with you? I'm really mucking up this whole diversity thing by not agreeing with you, aren't I? Well this brings us to the end of the arguemmet I guess. Asbury Park is a racist City not for any evidence, but because you folks say so, with such certainty that no one is allowed to question you. Good Grief. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Your missing my point Leslie. Isn't experiencig no racism first hand experience and therefore proof that wieghs on the side of Asbury Park not being a racist City? Or do you just count one side of the ledger? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 6:03:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your assumption then is only Black people have first hand experience, and white people don't. What's that called? You are ignoring the offer: why not go directly to those with firsthand experience of racism? I'm not as worried about white people who feel reverse racism from black people. There is a lot of righteous anger out there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism open to challenging your beliefs
In a message dated 8/2/2005 6:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pretty much sums up the side of all of you, doesn't it. Oh, conservatives never make sweeping generalizations...thank God we cleared that up. SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
did you go to China before buying the computer you're typing on? Go in person to the Tech Support Desk in India? I don't know you Leslie, but it's not too great an expectation to think that someone making thousands of dollars communicating on a computer would want to know how that money is generated, particularly when there is no void of information out there saying that the money is made in unethical ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/2/2005 6:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so how can you expect some basketball star to take a month out of his too brief career to see how his shoes are made? I don't know you Jersey John, but it's not too great an expectation to think that someone making millions of dollars in an endorsement deal would want to know how that money is generated, particularly when there is no void of information out there saying that the money is made in unethical ways. Leslie Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
In a message dated 8/2/2005 6:17:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your missing my point Leslie. Isn't experiencig no racism "first hand experience" and therefore proof that wieghs on the side of Asbury Park not being a racist City? Or do you just count one side of the ledger? You know what Tommy, you're right. I don't know what your last e-mail means, butI don't have time to debate anymore. You win.Racism doesn't exist anywhere in the world, and certainly not in Asbury Park. Racism was over the second the Civil Rights Act was passed, because miraculously, when the law changed, people's hearts changed too.And even if some black people in Asbury Park say that racism still exists, well at least a few white people in Asbury Park say it doesn't and that's what matters. May I have some Victory Gin now please? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Title: AOL Email It does matter. only the ignorant don't see it. they are still lynching blacks down south.Just got an article, claims he hung himself. racism is alive and well, ask your skinhead friends, and your klansmen. It hasn't stopped. these are the worst terrorist in history, and they are still around and rapidly growing. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Gary -
Please tell us of the acts of racism you suffered or witnessed in AP.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It surprises me that there are people who think Asbury Park doesn¹t
have any
race problems anymore just a small city with everyone living
alongside
each other. Well, they should follow this Yahoo group for a while.
The
past few weeks have been virtually all race related posts.
Maybe it¹s a bigger problem than people think.
I seen Veterans treated unfair because of there skin color.These Veterans who
have treated this past member badly have past away but they did treat him
unfair because of his skin color this was about 7 years ago.This Veteran that
was treated unfair has moved down South.To Kentuckey I believe.
~Wisdom of Einstein~
{{The only remedies againest race prejudice are enlightenment
education.This is a slow painstaking process}}
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Jim you know I dig you but I'm not willing to label AP are racist
place based on a vague treated him unfairly reference from 7 years
ago.
Someone is going to have to do better than that to convince me.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Gary -
Please tell us of the acts of racism you suffered or witnessed
in AP.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It surprises me that there are people who think Asbury Park
doesn¹t
have any
race problems anymore just a small city with everyone living
alongside
each other. Well, they should follow this Yahoo group for a
while.
The
past few weeks have been virtually all race related posts.
Maybe it¹s a bigger problem than people think.
I seen Veterans treated unfair because of there skin color.These
Veterans who have treated this past member badly have past away but
they did treat him unfair because of his skin color this was about 7
years ago.This Veteran that was treated unfair has moved down
South.To Kentuckey I believe.
~Wisdom of Einstein~
{{The only remedies againest race prejudice are enlightenment
education.This is a slow painstaking process}}
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim you know I dig you but I'm not willing to label AP are racist
place based on a vague treated him unfairly reference from 7 years
ago.
Someone is going to have to do better than that to convince me.
I am not saying it is sorry if it was misunderstood.
But every town has it people that are prejudice.I had a Past Commander State
Commander Joe Scott from Scott's T.V. Store Asbury Park he was great treated
every Veteran equal.When he past away things got a little out of Hand.Joe Scott
was great for Asbury Park got involve in theschools everything.Asbury Park
has alot of people black white that will work together I believe that was
proven on March 11, 2005 it didn't matter the color of your skin.What you
believe should happen in Asbury Park with the Redevelopment that night.If you
believe in the War or was againest we all United that night for one reason for
a young man that was wounded in Combat that was rasie in this great City.Lou
Jordan Gilbert Reed came that night.All the stuff he got while he was in
Walter Reed Hospital the 1st time more than any solider in Walter Reed Army
Hospital Washington D.C. there are some people that know about a town called
Asbury Park in Washington because how everyone united for a young man.Stone
Pony gave me 3 shopping bags of shirts hats for the soliders at Walter
Reed.When Kate Mellina went on Channel 12 news asking for donations.He got more
than any other solider in Walter Reed the nurse told me.Not only do I think
there should be a flag flying on our waterway 24/7 for the soldier
officer,fireman there also the person in the city that donates there time in
specail ways to make it better.The VFW donated a fountain for sunset lake it
breaks does the city fix {no} Werner takes the time does.Ben plants flowers
in Bradley Park.Skip takes pictures of March 11,2005 that help SSG Craft alot
when he had to back to the Hospital 2nd time to look at those pictures.Maureen
donates alot of time with her show.Everyone on March 11 that donated time for
the event.Alot of these people go unnotice there what that Flag is all about
also should Fly 24/7 on one of the greatest Waterways in the U.S.
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Gary -
Please tell us of the acts of racism you suffered or witnessed
in AP.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It surprises me that there are people who think Asbury Park
doesn¹t
have any
race problems anymore just a small city with everyone living
alongside
each other. Well, they should follow this Yahoo group for a
while.
The
past few weeks have been virtually all race related posts.
Maybe it¹s a bigger problem than people think.
I seen Veterans treated unfair because of there skin color.These
Veterans who have treated this past member badly have past away but
they did treat him unfair because of his skin color this was about 7
years ago.This Veteran that was treated unfair has moved down
South.To Kentuckey I believe.
~Wisdom of Einstein~
{{The only remedies againest race prejudice are enlightenment
education.This is a slow painstaking process}}
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J
Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/
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[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim you know I dig you but I'm not willing to label AP are racist
place based on a vague treated him unfairly reference from 7 years
ago.
Someone is going to have to do better than that to convince me.
I am not saying it is sorry if it was misunderstood.
But every town has it people that are prejudice.I had a Past Commander State
Commander Joe Scott from Scott's T.V. Store Asbury Park he was great treated
every Veteran equal.When he past away things got a little out of Hand.Joe Scott
was great for Asbury Park got involve in theschools everything.Asbury Park
has alot of people black white that will work together I believe that was
proven on March 11, 2005 it didn't matter the color of your skin.What you
believe should happen in Asbury Park with the Redevelopment that night.If you
believe in the War or was againest we all United that night for one reason for
a young man that was wounded in Combat that was rasie in this great City.Lou
Jordan Gilbert Reed came that night.All the stuff he got while he was in
Walter Reed Hospital the 1st time more than any solider in Walter Reed Army
Hospital Washington D.C. there are some people that know about a town called
Asbury Park in Washington because how everyone united for a young man.Stone
Pony gave me 3 shopping bags of shirts hats for the soliders at Walter
Reed.When Kate Mellina went on Channel 12 news asking for donations.He got more
than any other solider in Walter Reed the nurse told me.Not only do I think
there should be a flag flying on our waterway 24/7 for the soldier
officer,fireman there also the person in the city that donates there time in
specail ways to make it better.The VFW donated a fountain for sunset lake it
breaks does the city fix {no} Werner takes the time does.Ben plants flowers
in Bradley Park.Skip takes pictures of March 11,2005 that help SSG Craft alot
when he had to back to the Hospital 2nd time to look at those pictures.Maureen
donates alot of time with her show.Everyone on March 11 that donated time for
the event.Alot of these people go unnotice there what that Flag is all about
also should Fly 24/7 on one of the greatest Waterways in the U.S.
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK Gary -
Please tell us of the acts of racism you suffered or witnessed
in AP.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It surprises me that there are people who think Asbury Park
doesn¹t
have any
race problems anymore just a small city with everyone living
alongside
each other. Well, they should follow this Yahoo group for a
while.
The
past few weeks have been virtually all race related posts.
Maybe it¹s a bigger problem than people think.
I seen Veterans treated unfair because of there skin color.These
Veterans who have treated this past member badly have past away but
they did treat him unfair because of his skin color this was about 7
years ago.This Veteran that was treated unfair has moved down
South.To Kentuckey I believe.
~Wisdom of Einstein~
{{The only remedies againest race prejudice are enlightenment
education.This is a slow painstaking process}}
James Grabe
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park N.J
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* To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
On 8/2/05 12:27 AM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think the discussions on this board in the past few weeks signify a pretty tightly wound up group? The question pending Gary is whether AP is a racist place. My answer is no. The question I was posing was based on the recent posts. I could go back and find over 100 posts in the past two weeks that mentioned racist arguments. Are you telling me you didn't see those posts? My God, it was like somebody turned on a light switch. EVERY post in the past 3 days mentioned racism. It was like a different newsgroup. All I'm saying is that maybe this came from somewhere. Not the Asbury Park Press but somewhere else. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
I understand what you are saying Gary, but the 2 people recently leaving posts about racism arn't giving any examples of it either. Simply over using the word proves nothing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take back what I said about experiencing racism head on. What happened to me was probably more of a gang issue and might have happened whether I was white or black. Let's just say I went down the wrong street and my car didn't come out in the same shape as before. Not much damage, but damaged. And I'll be honest in saying that it was a pretty scary moment. However, I don't see how you can pass by the overwhelming amount of posts that mentioned racist ideas in the past few weeks. It's rather shocking considering the past few years didn't have anywhere near the same amount. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
