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A huge difference in being drafted and volunteering. --- On Tue, 10/7/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 7:12 PM Thank you for clearing up, what I was trying to say. Yes, flags are waved when he sings of something so American, that in spite of it, (the war), we'll still wave it, not because the government was right; they weren't with Viet Nam or these 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan! In my opinion, it's what makes us all Americans and patriots! To protest, is patriotic, because you are expressing yourself and making a personal statement, that you don't have to walk in lockstep, to be a patriot, a word so confusing now. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ ... wrote: The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen' s friends who had experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from the war. The song's narrative traces the protagonist' s working-class origins, induction into the armed forces, and disaffected return back to the States. An anguished lyrical interlude is even more jolting, describing the fate of the protagonist' s (literal or figurative) brother (in some recordings or live shows, the word brother is replaced with buddy): I had a brother at Khe Sanh Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a woman he loved in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms now The Battle of Khe Sanh involved the North Vietnamese Army, not the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam heard in the song lyrics. Eventually the Americans prevailed and broke the siege, only to withdraw from the outpost a couple of months later. Khe Sanh thus became one of the media symbols of the futility of the whole war effort in the States. In late August 1984, the Born in the U.S.A. album was selling very well, its songs were all over the radio, and the associated tour was drawing considerable press. Springsteen shows at the Capital Centre outside of Washington, D.C. thus attracted even more media attention, in particular from CBS Evening News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who saw Springsteen as a modern-day Horatio Alger story. Yet more notably, the widely-read conservative columnist George Will, after attending a show, published on September 13, 1984 a piece entitled A Yankee Doodle Springsteen in which he praised Springsteen as an exemplar of classic American values. He wrote: I have not got a clue about Springsteen' s politics, if any, but flags get waved at his concerts while he sings songs about hard times. He is no whiner, and the recitation of closed factories and other problems always seems punctuated by a grand, cheerful affirmation: 'Born in the U.S.A.!' The 1984 presidential campaign was in full stride at the time, and Will had connections to President Ronald Reagan's re-election organization. Will thought that Springsteen might endorse Reagan, and got the notion pushed up to high-level Reagan advisor Michael Deaver's office. Those staffers made inquiries to Springsteen' s management which were politely rebuffed. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Born_in_the_ U.S.A._(song) Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech: America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about. The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; Born to Run was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you. During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song Johnny 99, a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one. A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday, and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM, sharon_b283 wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. These are the kind of words that prove your ignorance in that anyone who doesn't agree with your views is the problem. Nazi-right? Anyone who isn't a liberal democrat who supports Barack Obama is a nazi, I guess. Well I see where you're coming from. Its okay for you to call me part of the nazi-right, even though I'm a moderate and not a conservative (but you assume otherwise because I'm not voting for your savior). But if I were to call you a communist, you'd probably be offended and claim you were just a liberal. Typical double standard stereotyping. I wouldn't do that... I would just call you ignorant for assuming anyone who doesn't agree with Springsteen's politics is a neo-conservative right winged nazi. I'm not a nazi... I'm not a right wing conservative. You're putting words in my mouth and stereotyping me because I said I dont want to hear a political rant at a concert. If I were a Ted Nugent fan, or a ZZ Top fan, and they ranted conservative politics at a concert of theirs which I went to, I would want them to shut the hell up and sing too... but I'm not a fan of their music enough where I would go to see them in concert anyway. In fact, all of the concerts I go to are usually with Democratic supporting artists. Springsteen rants at his show. Billy Joel and Bon Jovi are also two huge Democrats, but they keep their mouth shut, and theres not a few parts of their show where half of the audience is just sighing wishing they would cut the crap and do what the audience paid them over $100 to do... and thats perform their music. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech... if a performer or artist thinks he or she can save the world with his political views, and wants to look like an idiot doing it, then by all means let that person do whatever he or she wants. But in my book, they just look ignorant. Bruce Springsteen, Ted Nugent, or whoever wants to look like a moron in alot of their fans eyes can do whatever they want... but its dumb to assume that because someone is a fan of their music means they have to listen to their politics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I did not introduce that word in the conversation, but just wondered what it would feel like. On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Gabrielle Obre wrote: with all the ass in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality. Its basically about getting over ourselves and one of the greatest lines is I'm an ass your an ass. and well, its pretty true we are all asses on some level. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis? On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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As Edwin Starr sang, War, what is it good for, Absolutely NOTHING! I'm with you! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. he is expressing himself arcman, not assuming he knows everything or that anyone agrees with him. he is expressing his feelings, his heartbreak about his country. tommy, writing about the working class IS political. i would argue everything is political...not in the smarmy, manipulative, position juggling, ulterior motive use of the word...but in that how we live together, how we treat one another, care for one another, protect those who need care and punish those who trample the rights of others. everything is political essentially. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. I saw two of his concerts this past year, and would have gone again if I could have afforded to spend the money this summer... I love his music, that will never change. And no matter how many times he talks politics at his concerts, I will still like his music. I'm not going to say to myself well I wont go pay to see his shows because he talks about politics because thats stupid... my $100 doesnt make a difference to him. I pay to see his shows for his music... and as a fan of his music, I wish he would make his concert about that. He's one of the greatest musicians of all time, and a terrific artist. That being said, Alex Rodriguez is an amazing baseball and a tremendous athlete... but that doesn't mean I would go to a game to see him talk about his political views, no matter what they even are. I just wish musicians like Bruce would respect the fact that not everyone agrees on politics and his words really aren't educated or informative enough to make people agree with his views... their just rants. I think thats enough politics for me. Now I'm guilty of talking politics in this group when I spoke out for eliminating these conversations in favor of more AP related topics. Anybody have any information about what the heck is going on with the Convention Hall facade work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Plus: It does seem you have a kind of microphone: A newspaper column and your incessant political posts here. On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:06 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career. John why do you personalize things with other members of the group like the above? That doesn't help you convince people of anything. You can do better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. Athletes make as much money as famous musicians, celebrities, and the likes. They're all better off than any of us will ever be. So to take one's opinion higher than the other is just wrong. I don't listen to any of their political opinions. And I don't get my politics from Rolling Stone or ESPN or entertainment sources. Springsteen is an entertainer as much as he is an artist. Remember, his number one goal with his music is to sell albums... otherwise, he'd give them out for free. God knows he doesn't need the money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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with all the ass in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called Awareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality. Its basically about getting over ourselves and one of the greatest lines is I'm an ass your an ass. and well, its pretty true we are all asses on some level. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ARCMAN!...I dont; know what springsteens intentions are with music, no one does. you don't. you can't. to me, his willingness to express opinions says hes just living his life and expressing himself.. and better off than any of us will ever be i don't know that. and i don't live in that defeatist poor me world. i happen to really dig my life. they can buy more shit than me for sure, but really...ive known enough wealthy people to know its not all its cracked up to be. i am sooo freaking bored with the awe we place on monied people, its ludicrous and infantile. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement. Athletes make as much money as famous musicians, celebrities, and the likes. They're all better off than any of us will ever be. So to take one's opinion higher than the other is just wrong. I don't listen to any of their political opinions. And I don't get my politics from Rolling Stone or ESPN or entertainment sources. Springsteen is an entertainer as much as he is an artist. Remember, his number one goal with his music is to sell albums... otherwise, he'd give them out for free. God knows he doesn't need the money. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Just easier than retyping my view here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis? On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? Actually he became the working class hero by not singing about politics. He sang about something else entirely: http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. Therse is some cross over - like when A-Rod wasn't going to play for America in the World Baseball tourney. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! Sharon those songs you mention are further proof of my point in the column: Bruce writes about people in their now. No past, no future, just their now. He's great at it and should keep doing it. And Born in the USA is not a pro-USA song. Read the lyrics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The idea of Shut Up was introduced by your side. It's OK for you guys to say it but no one else? Schwet. Must be nice. On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:17 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you dont want to hear their political views that dont agree with yours... but its okay for you to say to me: That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Who is the ignorant ass with a double standard again?? Why do you think its okay to tell him to shut up? Hes just expressing his views, just like Bruce does. Seems like you're the one who wishes the other side would be silenced. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tommy, writing about the working class IS political. i would argue everything is political...not in the smarmy, manipulative, position juggling, ulterior motive use of the word...but in that how we live together, how we treat one another, care for one another, protect those who need care and punish those who trample the rights of others. everything is political essentially. I disagree. It isn't political when you aren't looking back and assigning blame or looking forward and suggesting a future. A million other lesser songwriters do that crap. With a few exceptions (like Born to Run) Bruce sings about the people who aren't getting out - the people who will die where they were born, who won't be more than they are right now. Folks like that need Bruce - to be sure the world knows they are there. When Bruce gets into past and future stuff, he abandons them. There are plenty of others to get into the political. Bruce needs to stay were he is and give those people strength, not to get out, just to get through. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Baseball games are not inherently about ideas. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:18 AM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is, especially folk music. Bad analogy. So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only artists are the enlightened ones who have ideas? I don't need to know how to play a guitar to speak my mind. I don't play an instrument or an organized sport, so I'm not taking either side. But like musicians and celebrities, athletes have the spotlight too... they do talk shows and interviews, they can talk politics if they want, and some do... but most of the time they keep their mouth shut. The point is that I pay to go to a baseball game to see baseball, and I pay to go to a concert to hear music. If I want to pay to go see politics, I'll buy a ticket to a political rally. Springsteen (and EVERY other musician) absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants at his shows... they're his shows after all... but the fact that he chooses to think he knows it all and that everyone in the crowd agrees with him just isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen's friends who had experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from the war. The song's narrative traces the protagonist's working-class origins, induction into the armed forces, and disaffected return back to the States. An anguished lyrical interlude is even more jolting, describing the fate of the protagonist's (literal or figurative) brother (in some recordings or live shows, the word brother is replaced with buddy): I had a brother at Khe Sanh Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a woman he loved in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms now The Battle of Khe Sanh involved the North Vietnamese Army, not the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam heard in the song lyrics. Eventually the Americans prevailed and broke the siege, only to withdraw from the outpost a couple of months later. Khe Sanh thus became one of the media symbols of the futility of the whole war effort in the States. In late August 1984, the Born in the U.S.A. album was selling very well, its songs were all over the radio, and the associated tour was drawing considerable press. Springsteen shows at the Capital Centre outside of Washington, D.C. thus attracted even more media attention, in particular from CBS Evening News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who saw Springsteen as a modern-day Horatio Alger story. Yet more notably, the widely-read conservative columnist George Will, after attending a show, published on September 13, 1984 a piece entitled A Yankee Doodle Springsteen in which he praised Springsteen as an exemplar of classic American values. He wrote: I have not got a clue about Springsteen's politics, if any, but flags get waved at his concerts while he sings songs about hard times. He is no whiner, and the recitation of closed factories and other problems always seems punctuated by a grand, cheerful affirmation: 'Born in the U.S.A.!' The 1984 presidential campaign was in full stride at the time, and Will had connections to President Ronald Reagan's re-election organization. Will thought that Springsteen might endorse Reagan, and got the notion pushed up to high-level Reagan advisor Michael Deaver's office. Those staffers made inquiries to Springsteen's management which were politely rebuffed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_U.S.A._(song) Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech: America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about. The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; Born to Run was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you. During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song Johnny 99, a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one. A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday, and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM, sharon_b283 wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film evokes. Bruce sings of all that is wrong and then sings of being Born In The USA, which evokes all the positive attributes of being born here! Guess that's okay huh, JR? So, he shouldn't care about what is happening, not only in NJ but the rest of the country? I prefer Bruce's happy songs! Everybody loves happy! He can also evoke emotions that ponder an answer. An answer that sometimes never comes! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Baseball games are not inherently about ideas. The idea is to win, not how you play the game. For fans, it's about how much you can drink, curse, scream and toss beer at each other at $8.00 - even in front of a normal guy and his kid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you for clearing up, what I was trying to say. Yes, flags are waved when he sings of something so American, that in spite of it, (the war), we'll still wave it, not because the government was right; they weren't with Viet Nam or these 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan! In my opinion, it's what makes us all Americans and patriots! To protest, is patriotic, because you are expressing yourself and making a personal statement, that you don't have to walk in lockstep, to be a patriot, a word so confusing now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen's friends who had experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from the war. The song's narrative traces the protagonist's working-class origins, induction into the armed forces, and disaffected return back to the States. An anguished lyrical interlude is even more jolting, describing the fate of the protagonist's (literal or figurative) brother (in some recordings or live shows, the word brother is replaced with buddy): I had a brother at Khe Sanh Fighting off the Viet Cong They're still there, he's all gone He had a woman he loved in Saigon I got a picture of him in her arms now The Battle of Khe Sanh involved the North Vietnamese Army, not the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam heard in the song lyrics. Eventually the Americans prevailed and broke the siege, only to withdraw from the outpost a couple of months later. Khe Sanh thus became one of the media symbols of the futility of the whole war effort in the States. In late August 1984, the Born in the U.S.A. album was selling very well, its songs were all over the radio, and the associated tour was drawing considerable press. Springsteen shows at the Capital Centre outside of Washington, D.C. thus attracted even more media attention, in particular from CBS Evening News correspondent Bernard Goldberg, who saw Springsteen as a modern-day Horatio Alger story. Yet more notably, the widely-read conservative columnist George Will, after attending a show, published on September 13, 1984 a piece entitled A Yankee Doodle Springsteen in which he praised Springsteen as an exemplar of classic American values. He wrote: I have not got a clue about Springsteen's politics, if any, but flags get waved at his concerts while he sings songs about hard times. He is no whiner, and the recitation of closed factories and other problems always seems punctuated by a grand, cheerful affirmation: 'Born in the U.S.A.!' The 1984 presidential campaign was in full stride at the time, and Will had connections to President Ronald Reagan's re-election organization. Will thought that Springsteen might endorse Reagan, and got the notion pushed up to high-level Reagan advisor Michael Deaver's office. Those staffers made inquiries to Springsteen's management which were politely rebuffed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_U.S.A._(song) Nevertheless, on September 19, 1984, at a campaign stop in Hammonton, New Jersey, Reagan added the following to his usual stump speech: America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about. The campaign press immediately expressed skepticism that Reagan knew anything about Springsteen, and asked what his favorite Springsteen song was; Born to Run was the tardy response from staffers. Johnny Carson then joked on The Tonight Show, If you believe that, I've got a couple of tickets to the Mondale-Ferraro inaugural ball I'd like to sell you. During a September 22 concert in Pittsburgh, Springsteen responded negatively by introducing his song Johnny 99, a song about an unemployed auto worker who turns to murder, The President was mentioning my name the other day, and I kinda got to wondering what his favorite album musta been. I don't think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening to this one. A few days after that, presidential challenger Walter Mondale said, Bruce Springsteen may have been born to run but he wasn't born yesterday, and then claimed to have been endorsed by Springsteen. Springsteen manager Jon Landau denied any such endorsement, and the Mondale campaign issued a correction. On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM, sharon_b283 wrote: JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film
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No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh please. He was an invited guest to the rally. A political rally, not a Bruce concert. Did you listen to the clip? It wasn't abusive in any way. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. ok sorta fair...then all i have is my grandmothers rule of no shut up. we could say all sorts of things (obviously) but no shut up and no oh my god. anyway...it was a rally for Obama like Jack says. ill slip this in a music threadmy sister just shared with me a discovery of an incredible music site created by the Music Genome Project http://www.pandora.com/. its amazing. creates a playlist based on music you enjoy. and can be further styled by your thumbs up or down...its taking me away from itunes radio. very cool. had to share. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Good points, arcman210. I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said to her There is no way to do this without alienating some of your fans. I think her support for Obama was more of a Chicago thing than anything else. I give Oprah a pass. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career. Bruce should say whatever he likes. And if you don't like, it just shows how right he is. More power to him. BRUUUCE! (Back to Ted Nugent?) On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:07 PM, justifiedright wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Hey: Tommy: Shut Up and Lie in Court. On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
You're no one. Oh, well. On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:40 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Don't see his concerts any more. Shut Up and Stay Home. On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:57 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: Good points, arcman210. I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said to her There is no way to do this without alienating some of your fans. I think her support for Obama was more of a Chicago thing than anything else. I give Oprah a pass. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
The Right only feels this way when the singer isn't supporting Republicans. Lee Greenwood doesn't get the shut up and sing treatment. Ted Nugent doesn't get the shut up and sing treatment. Nor does Gloria Estefan, Amy Grant, Frank Sinatra Jr., Pat Boone, Ricky Martin, Michael W. Smith, Jessica Simpson, Jose Feliciano, Jaci Velasquez, Emilio Navaira (Tejano), Donnie McClurkin, Chubby Checker, Johnny Mathis, Pat DiMizio, Jon Secada, Harry Wayne Casey (KC the Sunshine Band), Donny Osmond, Marie Osmond, Gracie Rosenburger, Andre 3000, Mike Love (Beach Boys), Van Cliburn, Mike Curb, Don McLean, Dean Torrence, John Popper, Frankie Avalon, Wendy Moten, Johnny Lang, Doris Day, Wayne Newton, or Britney Spears. They're all about attempting to silence criticism of the disasterous Bush Years. Good luck with that. On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
John man you are harsh sometimes. i totally understand your anger and exasperation with the republicans. take heart in the fact that many on that side are being very critical. some long time republican is quitting due to his distaste for his own party. virginia i think. i agree they wouldn't be complaining if it were pro republican and i really reject the notion that art and politics should be separate. i also don't understand the expectation that anyone should silence their passions. bands like NOFX ARE their passions. springsteen has been around enough not to have to censor himself and how sad it would be if he did. no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. A Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech would be politics too, you one-sided ignorant ass... so if he talked those politics you'd have respect for him too? I think you'd hate it, and you would think he's everything wrong with the world. I wasn't criticising your political views so back the hell off mine and don't assume I am for the war just because I'm anti-political-Bruce. I said I dont want to hear any politics at any sort of concert, that includes both sides of the spectrum. If I go to a political rally, its a political rally... no matter who is there. If I go to a Bruce Springsteen concert, I dont give a shit what he thinks about the war or out president. If he wants to perform at rallys and conventions, thats his absolute right as an American to do so and to support whichever candidate he chooses. But to subject 60,000 fans, many of who dont have the same political views as him, to a political rant in between songs is just wrong. If he wants to do that, then he should pass the microphone around to some fans and let them debate his views... because a concert at Giants Stadium isn't the same as an Obama rally in Philadelphia. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:07 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. A Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech would be politics too, you one-sided ignorant ass... so if he talked those politics you'd have respect for him too? I think you'd hate it, and you would think he's everything wrong with the world. I wasn't criticising your political views so back the hell off mine and don't assume I am for the war just because I'm anti-political-Bruce. I said I dont want to hear any politics at any sort of concert, that includes both sides of the spectrum. If I go to a political rally, its a political rally... no matter who is there. If I go to a Bruce Springsteen concert, I dont give a shit what he thinks about the war or out president. If he wants to perform at rallys and conventions, thats his absolute right as an American to do so and to support whichever candidate he chooses. But to subject 60,000 fans, many of who dont have the same political views as him, to a political rant in between songs is just wrong. If he wants to do that, then he should pass the microphone around to some fans and let them debate his views... because a concert at Giants Stadium isn't the same as an Obama rally in Philadelphia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
