Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Audiophile Sound and Operating Systems. (Windows 8.1, Windows 10...)
Here's a table with examples of typical db(A) levels for some events, for instance fire cracker explodes at shoulder: 170 dB(A). Search for Typical dbA levels. http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm There's a lot of other interesting stuff there too. For example that a non-distorted sound cannot be louder that 194dB, because that corresponds to the average air pressure. Search for How many decibels is the loudest noise?. Also don't forget that according to Fletcher-Munson you can only hear 20kHz at 120dB, which happens to be the threshold of pain. [Slightly off topic.] Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104136 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cut your speakers in half!
(Clickbait schlittbait) Yesterday I paid a visit to a local hi-fi store. They sell mostly gear of the crazy variety, but they also have excellent speakers, some of which I wanted to listen to. There I found a floorstanding speaker cut in half, lengthwise. The point obviously to show the advanced technology used by this brand. This speaker is manufactured by a well known expensive brand. I'm not sure of the exact price of this particular model, it's a few years old, but the latest version of it costs about $25,000. Now to the point of this post. I could see the circuit boards of the passive filters both from above and below. From above they looked just fine, expensive components in a well-ordered fashion. But from below they were horrifying. They were obviously hand-soldered, which might be a edge in marketing. But I'd say that 80% of the solder joints were poorly made. I've done a lot of soldering. Many years. I have not made such a sloppy job since I was 14 or maybe even 13. There were three categories; too much solder (large spherical blobs), too little solder (almost none), even joints with deep holes. All were shiny, though. So they were probably ok. But wave soldering or skilled personnel would have made them almost perfect, it's really not that difficult. A speaker is prone to vibration (cough). It also has high currents running through it. A bad joint might affect the sound, even stop it completely. A bad joint might even get hot enough to start a fire. I've never heard of that, but still. This particular brand has a 10 year warranty, so obviously this isn't a problem for them. Anyway, I'm baffled. (Pun intended.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104029 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cut your speakers in half!
Ah yes, that's true. One should look at a real one. But I suppose the point of these units would be to actually make people impressed with their products. Imagine the IKEA experience at a BMW reseller. Cardboard engine and bean sacks for seats. It's just a demo, the production model is better equipped. Sell much? :-) Well, I might be unfair. This speaker has a superb sound quality. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104029 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cut your speakers in half!
Yes, but they have a wide range of speakers, most of them cheaper but perhaps a third are even more expensive. They must sell thousands of speakers every year, and they all have passive filters. Plenty of opportunity to excel in soldering, it's not difficult. And if they make a lousy job with these simple things, how can you trust them to pay better attention to the difficult matters? The exterior finish is excellent, but for $25,000 I'd expect more. I wonder how many of these filters that are rejected in quality control. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104029 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Seeking suggestions for a new term/label
On topic. Snoilers? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snoiled Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
SBGK wrote: thing is your understanding of physics is flawed, the theories don't match reality. Unless you think that everyone who hears any differences in digital playback is hearing things. Just like the global warming theories haven't predicted the stall in global temperatures the theories of digital audio can't predict the differences people hear. Quite. But psychoacoustics can. And will. SBGK wrote: real science would be trying to come up with theories to match the evidence rather than ridiculing the evidence. This is clearly a misunderstanding. You seem to confuse 'observations' with 'evidence'. Evidence is what proves that observations reflect actual reality. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Mnyb wrote: I've heard a lot of youtube lectures on this topic . But i have not yet bougth the book http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/ Gaawd, for a minute I thought the link pointed to a book by Michael Fremer! But now I feel better. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: 'were not wired to think scientifically' (http://eatingacademy.com/personal/wired-think-scientifically-can-done) I wonder about one thing. We invented the scientific principle 400 years ago. (But perhaps the chinese actually invented it much earlier? They were really good mathematicians 6,000 years ago, I think. Western history books seldom include their history.) I find it hard to believe that suddenly a mutation that allowed scientific thinking rapidly spread over the world at that time. We must have been able to think like that a long, long time, even if we didn't do that on a great scale. Has any proof ever been produced that says that we have changed at all for thousands of years? Since agriculture was invented 11,000 years ago we have adapted to new food. But our mental capacity? Since the 1960s (IIRC) we have started developing better concentration skills (bigger working memory), because of the increasing amount of information we are exposed to. That is said to translate directly to abstract intelligence. So according to neurocognition scientists, humans get more intelligent by the decade, because of our environment. This curve has a name, which I have forgotten. But did this perhaps already start 400 years ago? If so, could it have been the greater cities with more impressions, the invention of the printing press and possibly time to read because of better living conditions in general (if they were actually improved)? Just thinking out loud... Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: 'were not wired to think scientifically' (http://eatingacademy.com/personal/wired-think-scientifically-can-done) Very interesting! You always link to such high quality articles. How do you even find them? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jh901 wrote: Your transparency mantra is hilarious. I'm not sure how you convinced yourself, but I can see where it is convenient for you. Note that when I hit play that the reproduced sound is extraordinary. None of the gear is broken or otherwise deliberately designed with flaws. What you hear at home is mediocrity if you are lucky. Transparency and all. And science. I'm sure the sound at your place is extraordinary. You seem to have better speakers plus a larger and more treated listening room. In fact I would like to check out your system first hand, but unfortunately I live half a world away. But speakers and room are mainly the reasons that you have such a great sound. Since pissing contests obviously are very important to you, I quickly checked the published measurements of our respective gear that I could find. I easily conclude that, except for your speakers (presumably), my system actually measures better. This is because of your tube preamp, which colors the sound. Even J.A. was a little disappointed. SOURCECOMPONENTS http://www.stereophile.com/content/cary-audio-design-cd-306-sacd-professional-version-sacdcd-player-measurements http://www.stereophile.com/content/slim-devices-transporter-network-music-player-measurements AMPLIFIERS http://www.stereophile.com/content/cary-audio-design-slp-05-preamplifier-measurements http://www.caryaudio.com/products/sa-200-2/ My integrated amplifier Thule IA252B measures better than the tube preamp, but I can't find a published measurement (though I have a broschure on paper at home). SPEAKERS http://www.stereophile.com/content/audio-physic-scorpio-loudspeaker-measurements I can't find a published measurement for the Focal Diablo Utopia III. I'm sure it's a much better speaker than mine, though. Please tell me if you find it. OOPS I won't even mention the designer speaker cables, or the power cables. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jh901 wrote: It makes more sense to you that any number of thousands of audiophiles from Japan, Germany, France, UK, Canada, US, etc are brainwashed than the far more obvious conclusion which is that you aren't interested in understanding why the gear which I would likely buy reproduces recorded music so much better than mass produced stuff in you would buy. Nah! It's all the most epic business scam of all-time. Science. Thousands of audiophiles are outnumbered by millions of engineers. Wouldn't selling transparent stuff for a reasonable price be a very strange scam? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
ralphpnj wrote: So gee how is that the Egyptians managed to build those pyramids? There is an overwhelming bias in today's world that mankind lived in the dark ages until Steve Jobs appeared on earth to save us mere mortals (I'm exaggerating :)). Seriously there is a strong bias in favor of modern science which only serves to discredit the very real scientific achievements and discoveries that were made and that were well known prior to The Dark Ages. For example the concept of logarithms was well known hundreds of years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm#History). In particular this bias runs strongly in favor of electronics and computer science and against what I would Newtonian science, i.e. the everyday physical world. Of course my feelings on this issue are also very biased by the fact that I am a mechanical engineer. Funny thing is when one needs to dig a hole a simply shovel works a whole lot better than an iPhone app. I'm not trying to be a Luddite but only to point out that much of the foundation for today's modern marvels was laid many, many years ago. We actually agree. Perhaps I was unclear. I'll try again. Science is a method that has to be learned. In general people can actually plan things and that must be one of our few advanteges on this harsh earth. But some individuals have always been really good at that they are genetically equipped with a sizable working memory, greater than the average. It can also be trained. It enables deeper, more abstract thinking, which is needed to think logically, plan ahead etc. Everybody can't just mimic each other, nothing new would ever be invented. We have made a great many inventions over the time, not just fire and baking, which may have been found out in the wild and mimiced. Also very important ideas like money, credit, insurance etc, that are not found in nature. Not to mention hunting methods, building methods and materials etc. Our forefathers may not have used the precise scientific method, but they could think. However, at some point in time we might have reached a critical mass, where the average intelligence enabled us to make our living conditions significally better? It could perhaps happen because people started living in larger communities. (If you live in a tribe and meet 50 people in a lifetime, your brain might not get as much impressions, and therefore training, as if you live in NYC.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: The Flynn effect? Unfortunately it seems to have reversed in the 1980's, and average IQ has actually gone down since. This could partially be explained by the fact that natural selection isn't working any more (or doesn't select for intelligence) in a society where we aren't constantly fighting to survive (and every time I turn on the TV, I somehow think there might be something to it). Ah yes, the Flynn effect. I guess natural selection nowadays works through the number of likes. And riding a bike in the dark with no lights while listening to music and scrolling in playlists on your smartphone, while wearing dark clothes and refusing to wear bicycle helmets because they ruin the hairdo. Exciting times! Is that very unfortunate decline representative for the entire world? The western world, I can imagine, but how about the less developed part, who recently just started to learn how to read and even can afford light to read books at night? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
ralphpnj wrote: Another zombie lie (lies that continue to persist in spike of debunked over and over and over) https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/pause-in-warming-debunked http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming/ http://insideclimatenews.org/news/04062015/global-warming-great-hiatus-gets-debunked-NOAA-study I suggest that you keep up with the current state of affairs in an issue as important as global warming, aka climate change. Ouch. I didn't even notice the climate myths. But in retrospect I understand that I did just that, but on a subconscious level and would actually have propagated that opinion, had anyone asked me today. My mind was on audio, or at least I thought so. Obviously very dangerous not to be on one's toes every millisecond. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: Actually it seems that that has been articulated, by Florence Ambrose, as Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it. There is also Grey's law - Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice and Morgan's Maxim Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook. :-) - Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Don't assign to stupidity what might be due to ignorance. And try not to assume your opponent is the ignorant one -- until you can show it isn't you.- - M. L. Plano Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
ralphpnj wrote: The link does not appear to work, at least not for me - Windows 7/Firefox. Please check the link. Thanks! I don't quite follow. They both link to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Fits the bill. :-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Wombat wrote: I am at my tablet with Firefox. Must be the m. in the link, sorry. http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8 http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=U8rhIZJAdd0 Do these work? Skip the '#/' in both links. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jh901 wrote: I'm under the impression that you must have found that the Transporter offers the best possible analog output from a digital source. Did the Transporter exceed the performance of the much less pricey Duet box? So far I haven't even once mentioned the Transporter in this thread, but ookay. There are other DACs available that measure better, but I'd say that it's good enough for human listeners. Especially when compared to the nonlinearities introduced by the speakers and the listening room. They are several orders of magnitude apart. Several. I bought the Transporter over the internet immediately after it first came out. There was no way of hearing or even seeing it in beforehand. I had never heard of Slimserver, but it seemed very versatile. The hardware with all the connections also seemed very versatile. The large display was just what I wanted. And finally, the measurements were good enough to make it a safe purchase. The Duet was never in question, as I lusted for the Transporter's display and hardware versatility. The Touch wasn't available at that time, but if it had been I just might have bought that instead. I consider this purchase one of my best ever. LMS (Slimserver) turned out to be very powerful, top class. I can even use it for DRC, which I do. The display is fabulous. I use or have used all of the connections except the RS232. If I went shopping today I could have the same performance for half the price. And the display is not as important nowadays with all the apps, but I still prefer using it because it's always where it's supposed to be and it never has to be charged. I use my Booms for all casual background listening, I have one in every room. But if I would start all over again, I would buy active speakers with DSP and digital in. And keep using DRC. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: The depth of denial is impressive - I'll give you that ... but not very honest! We seem to have vastly different definitions of the word honest. Perhaps you would care to explain your definition? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Just to clarify this statement I have no idea whether Regen works - works is too vague a term - it could mean that when you turn on the power button that the electrical components are powered. So am I right in interpreting this statement of yours to mean - you have no idea whether the Regen provides an audible improvement to the many devices it has been reported to improve? Correct. I have repeatedly stated this. Proof is needed for anyone to know. jkeny wrote: Among the many devices it has been reported to improve are USB audio devices considered quality. Please tell me how you reconcile this position with your statement Most quality stuff these days is completely transparent, unless broken by design or otherwise? Sure. Things are reported every day. But just because they are reported doesn't necessarily make them true. They might be, or they might not. Some people report seeing UFOs. Does that proove the existence of UFOs? No. But UFOs might still exist. Or not. Who knows? Proof is needed to find out for sure. But it's also important to make another distinction. Probably most reporters report their findings because they believe them to be true. They are not evil people. Some might do it for other reasons, while knowing it's not true. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Right, I was just wondering how all those who claim the transparency of current DACs would reconcile their position if they listened to the Regen? Of course, refusing to listen to such a device will save their embarrassment. But some such objectivists have the 'courage to listen' (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/gordon-rankin-says-im-wrong-about-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-cable-sound-20814/index41.html#post444529) As previously stated, the burden of proof is on the manufacturer since they are making the claim. Basic philosophy. jkeny wrote: Instead of demanding DBTs /or measurements, I find this a much more honest position. Not a shread of proof to found. Opinions, yes. Tangible, no. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Gandhi wrote: In REW all you can do automatically is averaging multiple measurements. I wonder if there is a better way of solving that problem automatically? Optimise with respect to what? I found a sensible answer to that question. Can't believe I didn't think of that myself. Dirac Live uses several measurement positions (9 typically) in the listening room. This way, it is possible to find consistent acoustic problems. Only these should be corrected. http://www.dirac.se/en/technologies/dirac-live/technical-description.aspx Of course, they don't mention how they define consistent. Relative or absolute difference? Perhaps an absolute difference of +/- 1dB would suffice for amplitude. But what about the width of the corresponding frequency band? That would have to be relative? Or could it perhaps be possible to define consistency from the filter coefficients? What do the experts (y'all) say? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
SBGK wrote: More empty words from the internet warrior. Arguing your point using specific, clear, fact based and logical arguments might help people to agree with you. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Mnyb wrote: I'm no expert but i do think that consistent means that if a resonance peak shows up in all positions it should really be compensated . If its in one forget about it . If the levels differs in the multiple positions find a sensible average ? That's my thinking , a pro may have a better idea . Ah, yes. Sorry, must be a bit dense today. The frequency for the peaks that occur in multiple measurements are by defintion the same, regardless of which measurement. The size is a different matter, but something simple would probably suffice. Good approach. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Right, good, so what USB audio device would you be using it with? As I don't even have a USB DAC I wouldn't really know what to do with the device. Therefore I'd just immediately relay it to Archimago, so that he could measure it. You might as well send it to him directly. Saves time. Not to mention my money. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Hey don't thank me yet as I suspect that Archi's measurements will show nothing. What will be more important will be Archi friends honest opinion of what they hear which you will probably dismiss Ah, have we met? ;-) I have great faith in that Archimago will try as hard as he can. And his game plan seems sound. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Oh, so you are honestly just interested in arguments - not an honest evaluation of the device which listening to it would provide you with? As I said, I find your position dishonest if your goal is to evaluate the Regen device. But honest, if your goal is to have arguments. Sometimes it's hard to tell if you just misunderstand me or if you actually work hard at misunderstanding me. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: So, no, you are not looking for proof (it's not possible) Now that's interesting. Please explain why it would be impossible to measure a change on the output of the DAC when the Regen in connected to the input. I thought the whole point of the device was to change the output in a beneficial way. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: What country are you located in? What if I can get a Regen sent to you to listen, would you be interested? Sweden. Sure, that would be great! I'd gratefully accept the gift (loan?), should you decide to send it to me! Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
The Regen will now (hopefully) get measured by an independent party. This is a very good turn of events and I would like to thank jkeny for volunteering to try to arrange that. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: We all know that only professionally administered, carefully controlled, large scale DBT would offer any semblance of proof then it would probably be argued about We all know that whatever measurements are produced will be argued over Oh, we actually agree. Great. But why then this argument? Those arguments would be about facts. Facts serve as a basis for an informed discussion. Anecdotes do not. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: That's the point - most people look at reviews (both users mag reviews) decide on what is worth their time auditioning for themselves. They make up their own minds of the audibility of the device in their system under a stress free listening environment - they prove it to themselves which is all that matters to them. The offer of free home trials money back returns low prices greatly facilitates this for most sensible people. Ah, we have now reached the real focal point. How well does cosy testing in our own homes work? Is there possibly an alternative? Most people want the most bang for the bucks. The very wealthy may not care about the bucks, but everybody cares about getting the most bang. So how do we decide what best enhances the sound quality or other part of the listening experience? How do we decide what to spend our money on and what gives the biggest effect at this point? How do we go from wanting to getting? There are many possible pitfalls of psychological nature in play in testing. These are well established in the scientific community. One of them is that we hear with both our ears and our brain. And we can't turn off either one, both are always on. When the brain is highly involved, anything might happen. For instance, that makes us susceptiple to hearing what we want to hear. I can't list all the problems, but here is a great video that exemplifies some of them, Ethan Winer's Audio Myths Workshop (oldie but goldie). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ This is a very informative video with actual scientists and it's also humorous. I recommend checking out at least the first ten minutes, Poppy Crum is hilarious (05:15-09:30). But the rest of the hour is also great. After seeing that video and contemplating a bit, one may not see sighted testing as the best tool available to humans. Reviewers are also humans, so they suffer from the same problems as the rest of us, which makes also reviews a blunt instrument. A safer way of acquiring good information would be to look for published measurements and formal tests, something substancial, anything that contains hard facts. Then we have at least a little part of an objective truth. That gives us a much better basis for our decisions. After all, our goal is to get the most bang, and our best bet is to find already known hard facts. Without something stable to lean on, we might stumble. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: I have highlighted two points in your post *So how do we decide what best enhances the sound quality ** **A safer way of acquiring good information would be to look for published measurements and formal tests, something substancial, anything that contains hard facts. *Tell me what published measurements will tell me how a device will sound in my playback system - how it will enhance my sound quality? The real question is the other way around. What could sighted listening tests from a random guy at the internet possibly say about how a device will sound in your playback system? In reality, the only chance you have of knowing anything at all in beforehand is objective information. Even a little might help. None can by definition not ever help. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: It's hilarious how much energy is put into denying a particular device has any audible affect despite never having heard it never intending to hear it. I call this type of objectivist an abomination of the word objective instead have termed it objectionism - they simply object. I have never said it couldn't. I have consistenty written something like it might or might not work, but that hasn't been proven yet. What I *have* said repeatedly is that the method you propose of evaluating audio devices has no value. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
arnyk wrote: Once upon a time audio gear was in general poorly refined, and much of it did in fact sound different. This was largely true through at least the 1950s. Indeed. Most quality stuff these days is completely transparent, unless broken by design or otherwise. Speakers excluded. But the problem inherent in sighted testing will never disappear. That's the subject I was trying to adress. arnyk wrote: Looking at the market for audio snake oil, this may not be true. Effective snake oil pitches are usually based on some relatively inexpensive magic component that will solve some inherent audible system problem. An ideal example of this component will be that it addresses some problem without requiring a total upgrade of very expensive parts of the audio system such as speakers or amplifiers. It should install with minimal risk or difficulty. It should be priced just under $200 because expenditures of this size will not be difficult to finance. Exactly. Only $199.95 and it magically solves all imaginable problems. And then some. (Bang should here be interpreted as a beneficial change in performance. Perhaps I was unclear.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Yeh, right - your revisionism doesn't work. Let me just re-quote what you posted just a short while ago - the cynicism in your post is plain to see: Indeed. Most quality stuff these days is completely transparent, unless broken by design or otherwise. Speakers excluded. Exactly. Only $199.95 and it magically solves all imaginable problems. And then some I fail to see how the content of that post is connected to the Regen. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: Oh, the fact that the Regen has been reported to improve every digital audio device it was used with, escaped you? If it improves these devices they must therefore not be transparent therefore broken according to your statement. The obvious conclusion, based on your logic, is that all these devices couldn't be broken - hence the Regen is snakeoil The fact that the Regen is $199 delivered also escaped your notice again that it magically solves all imaginable problems as has been cynically stated on this forum before? As I said your revisionism is entertaining but not convincing, in the slightest. I have always tried to reason calmly with you, never used any foul language or even exclamation marks. But so far it hasn't helped the discussion a bit. This is really a moot point. I wasn't referring to the Regen. I did not know the price, delivered or not. It's all in your head. No offense. But if you like we can merge the different questions. I have no idea whether Regen works and I have never said anything about that. But if it's a quality product it too will be transparent. But that's not proven yet. ;-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Seeking suggestions for a new term/label
I don't know, but a quote comes to mind. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jh901 wrote: Right. In the same way that you must see your flat panel TV calibration report before you bother to view it. There's no value in popping in a 'reference' blu-ray and, like, watching a few familiar scenes. You want to compare the before and after calibration results first AND THEN you will know how much better the picture quality will look. In fact, I've found that just looking at my calibration report (which is nailed down pretty good) gives me all the pleasure I will ever need. Science. Sighted tests are the natural choice when it comes to visual information in pictures. It's quite easy to compare the quality of two pictures on a table in front of you or to compare two existing modes on a TV by switching rapidly between them. However audio is different. The auditory memory is short, fragile and easily exhaustible. The listening experience is also influenced by your mood etc. Therefore testing is much harder to conduct properly. It helps a great deal to have at least one toe on terra firma. Last but not least. How do you evaluate a device that you don't have in your possession? Evaluating three TVs that are all in different parts of the world is not so easy. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: No, this is exactly the issue - appropriate measurements are informed by the theory of operation of the device - that's why I called bullshit on Archi's 8KHz suggested measurement. You can't just go off, half-cocked, measuring whatever takes your fancy - it's not science, it's not objective, it shows nothing of worth proves nothing!! Well, the manufacturer is working on measurements, I believe but there is another way to evaluate a device - listen to it :) A fact is a fact is a fact. However. Not all facts are relevant. Actually most facts are irrelevant to any specific topic. Perhaps that's what you mean. Yet another however. Right now there are precisely zero facts in this discussion. Generally speaking any fact would enable us to discuss and criticize the relevance of that fact. Someone would immediately devise a(nother) test, which then could be performed and discussed. Naturally, starting off with a well-thought-out measurement procedure often saves time and effort. While I'm certain that any fact and any measurement metod would be bashed, it would form a basis for discussion. At the moment we lack that completely. But in this particular case what ultimately matters is if an input change results in an output change. With output I mean the output of the DAC. So it's easy to devise a well-thought-out test. Noone can successfully argue against the validity of a null test. If the difference is undetectable then the input change is of no consequence and therefore also of no interest. If the difference is detectable but small enough, it will not be humanly possible to hear. If it's reasonably sized, the device under test is of value. At this point I cannot know whether this contraption works, but right now this goes for everybody here. Perhaps even for the manufacturer. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: If you are talking about Diffmaker for null testing then I would disagree - from my others tests, Diffmaker is broken in it's handling of timing offsets. Please explain in more detail in what way that you feel that Diffmaker is broken and what means you have used to come to that conclusion. But it really doesn't matter. There are dedicated hardware signal processing/measuring devices available, which for instance can subtract signals. While Diffmaker is free, these are not, so not that many hobbyists have one of those. But any self-respecting company that designs, constructs, manufactures and sells audio hardware has at least one. jkeny wrote: Anybody who genuinely wants to evaluate the Regen has two approaches open to them - listening measuring - not mutually exclusive. Most people will take the listening route as measurements are really an academic exercise, although they should be interesting if published. Measurements are actually not just an academic exercise. They can be made by any person with adequate equipment and a smidge of knowledge. Good equipment might nowadays still be expensive, but not very expensive. The measurements then form the basis for consumer information. Nothing academic about that. jkeny wrote: Anyway, there is no such thing as a complete null so what null do you think is below audibility? I suspect that this is where the arguments about any testing/measurement is going to focus. A null in this case would mean to be indistinguishable from the noise floor of the measuring device, which of course must be good enough. Regarding good enough, I don't believe I have ever seen a serious study which concludes that -120dB is a problem in itself. But anyway, nowadays audio devices can from a scientific standpoint be made better than what humans can hear and good equipment is often just that. And good equipment is not equal to expensive equipment in this sense. jkeny wrote: Well, you could borrow/buy listen, as I said before (but this got sidetracked into a DBT isssue) I would never even consider buying an audio device that the manufacturer claims is making a change and nobody has verified by conducting and publishing measurements for, so I could study them myself. There might or there might not be a difference that exists, is big enough to notice and/or is beneficial. Borrowing it would just be a waste of time for me, unless I or someone I know could and had the time to measure it. But I hope someone else borrows it and measures it. :-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: BTW, it's a fact that there is a large body of favourable listening reports regarding the Regen! Let me rephrase that. BTW, it's a fact that there are people who believe that the earth is flat! That's an irrelevant fact when it comes to actually proving that the earth is flat, which must be considered the interesting part. But if that could be proven, it would indeed be an interesting fact. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: You can ignore/disregard whatever you choose, I've no problem with your personal choices. But it's a fact that a widespread number of positive impressions exist some people value knowing this fact. It might indeed be a fact. I haven't checked, but I give you the benefit of a doubt. It's still merely a curiosum, though. What matters is if this gadget actually makes an audible difference in the real world. It might, but simply believing it doesn't make it so. Repeating this belief in several posts will also not make it true. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts
Excellent thread! Also very refreshing with a positive one...! Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103942 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: I found issues with time alignment which I posted but you don't even need my results - look 'here' (http://www.slapmedia.com/diffmaker/) That's interesting, will read. jkeny wrote: Right! I take it you don't respect yourself in the morning? ;-) jkeny wrote: They are academic as far as a consumer evaluating how a device will sound (excepting speaker measurements) Quite the opposite. Consumer information is an opportunity, everyone can take part and learn before deciding (not) to buy. It might however be academic for some consumers, the ones who doesn't know there are measurements to be found and the ones that simply ignore them. jkeny wrote: Yes I suspect this is where the disputes will arise. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Is there a dispute here? Will there be? Where? jkeny wrote: Sure, you have your approach to evaluating audio equipment, others have theirs. Indeed. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: To you, perhaps but not to others All the posted impressions register an audible difference in the real world. What might? Knowing that a large number of positive impressions exist, might be important for some people? What belief? It's a fact that there are a wide number of positive impressions for this device - do you think this is a belief? It may well be that there are positive impressions for this device. I'm not questioning that. But just because the impressions state audible differences does not mean that these audible differences actually exist in the real world. Unless someone can actually measure them or find them in a skillfully conducted double-blind test, those impressions are, well, just impressions. Unless proven, they are beliefs. They might be true, but that hasn't been proven yet. This is the difference between believing and proving. Between guessing and knowing. Between voicing an opinion and constructing something to build upon. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
This discussion is so far completely void of hard facts. It would be helpful if someone, *anyone*, would measure the device, *any measurement at all*, and then *publish *it. That way this would turn into a discussion based on (at least some) facts. We could then stepwise take it further with possibly other measurements. But please remember that the burden of proof, from a purely logical standpoint, is on the *manufacturer*. The manufacturer is the one making claims. So the logical step would be for the manufacturer to measure and publish. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jh901 wrote: If you believe that the designer is likely to be selling snake oil, knowingly or not, then no scientific evidence is going to matter to you anyhow. Scientific evidence works for me. Always has. Always will. In this and similar cases, it's all that actually does work for me. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
jkeny wrote: No, this is exactly the issue - appropriate measurements are informed by the theory of operation of the device - that's why I called bullshit on Archi's 8KHz suggested measurement. You can't just go off, half-cocked, measuring whatever takes your fancy - it's not science, it's not objective, it shows nothing of worth proves nothing!! Well, the manufacturer is working on measurements, I believe but there is another way to evaluate a device - listen to it :) Still not a fact-based discussion. If the manufacturer is working on it I suggest we all wait for it. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Archimago wrote: Sounds like quite the undertaking to graft the DSP processing in. One way of doing parametric EQ (better than nothing) in LMS would be to have extra sox commands with lots of filter parameters in custom-convert.conf. Those parameters might not be so difficult to change with a simple GUI. Yes, it's dirty but necessity is the mother of dirtiness. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: Thanks... Along those lines of treating it as multiple stereo channels, here's a detailed workflow I found: http://digitalroomcorrection.hk/http___www.digitalroomcorrection.hk_/Multichannel_Workflow.html Looks like a pain in the backside :-). Hopefully can be done reasonably quickly once one gets the hang of how this program works! Ah, yes. Pain. Please don't forget to nail all furniture and equipment down, even the cat, so that you don't have to follow this procedure ever again. The nailing also helps when you correct to 20kHz, but then you should probably also fixate your neck with screws, metal plates and rods. And yes. Pain. I found a couple of very instructive general write-ups (gosh, there's a lot to be learned!): Guide to speaker/room correction using freeware and JRiver http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=87538.0 Equalizing your home theater system with the nanoAVR and UMIK-1 http://www.minidsp.com/applications/home-theater-tuning/equalization-with-nanoavr Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: I've always wondered if BruteFIR can be converted to Windows. I don't see why not! Anyone out there have done this? I have often wondered if it could be done with Cygwin. It would seem reasonable, but I have not found a port yet and my skill set does not include such matters. Cygwin gurus! Do ya thang! Archimago wrote: I wasn't clear from the Acourate web site, but is there any issue creating correction filters for surround sound/5.1+ systems? If it can do surround, I'm ready to whip out the credit card... http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=87579.0 There is a description of one process for multichannel on acourate in the acourate yahoo group (registration required), it boils down to treating it as a set of stereo channels (l+r, l+c, l+sr etc). With this methodology one could even use REW (which is stereo only), but it would be quite messy. BruteFIR supports an arbitrary number of channels. But I'll stop yapping about REW and BruteFIR now. :-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: I see DRCDesigner as a cheap man's AudioLense, Acourate, or Dirac. Simple but reasonable UI, easy way to measure room impulse up to 24/96 for each stereo channel separately, simple design of target curve and easy batch creation of FIR filters for convolution plug-ins like the one in JRiver. Works well and you can customize the strength of the correction used by DRC to calculate these FIR filters. Drawing the target curve is a nice way of creating it. It's hard to understand the effect of the custom filters without trying them ears on, but it seems you find them helpful. As far as I understand it, it would be far more difficult to do that in REW. Archimago wrote: Although I use REW to do a number of measurements, and in the past have used it to calculate parametric EQ settings for my room, is it capable of producing FIR filters these days? You can export the impulse response to a WAV file. I use the WAV with the LMS plugin BruteFirDrc, which uses the convolution engine BruteFIR, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~torger/brutefir.html. BruteFIR only works in *ix (hum, could that possibly be changed?). It is optimised for Intel, but someone recompiled it for ARM and it worked. Archimago wrote: One limitation of the free DRC/Designer is that only one location can be measured. For me, I think this is fine for stereo - I just care about the sweetspot and doubt this is a significant problem. In REW all you can do automatically is averaging multiple measurements. I wonder if there is a better way of solving that problem automatically? Optimise with respect to what? You could of course override anything manually. Archimago wrote: Has anyone seen a good writeup comparing DRC packages like the aforementioned AudioLens/Acourate/Dirac vs. DRC? That would be very interesting. I must say I am a bit skeptic about the commercial softwares. Some of them comes highly recommended, but I'm not convinced that those developers know more about filters than others. (They are also quite pricy. Small companies with low sales volumes, I guess.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: Hey Gandhi, I used REW and parametric EQ until earlier this year. I used to just apply 20-150Hz or so; leaving the rest of the mids and trebles since it was relatively accurate already. Last few months, I've been use DRCDesigner to do the measurements, target curve adjustment and it incorporates the free DRC package to calculate the filters... I've experimented a bit and generally like the traditional BK target curves (either BK1 or BK3) and I've had great success with applying correction through the whole 20Hz-20kHz spectrum! I've been using the JRiver convolution engine (a bit of a twisted route with DLNA/UPnP to access the Squeezebox library). Have used REW to verify the frequency response improvement as well as verified significantly improved impulse response in the time domain with each channel so know that what I'm hearing corresponds to objective accuracy. :-) Hello Archi! I have never tried DRCDesigner and only just now checked the how-to on their website. But I'm not sure I understand the benefit of using DRCDesigner instead of for instance REW (which is incredibly comprehensive). Does it make better measurements or calculations? Or is it perhaps the convolver plugin you are after? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Gandhi wrote: That's often right, but I'd say that it depends on the order of magnitude of change. In my case I have tamed the bass from -1dB ... +6dB to a quite flat one, +/- 1dB. It would be very hard not to hear. And it's interesting to see it quantified. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago wrote: Wow. Fantastic results Gandhi! Yes, REW and BrutefirDRC are surprisingly efficient. I would never have imagined. I would actually have paid a lot for a commercial solution to get this result, but as I didn't know the power of DRC (and I'm also cheap), I figured I'd try free software first. Sometimes you're just lucky! The bottom range would otherwise be very difficult to fix without large bass traps, which is not an option here. Archimago wrote: Likewise, although not to +/-1dB, more like +/-3 dB for me, the difference is remarkable. I already have a couple of side panels to tame 1st reflections from glass in-wall storage for my CD/Blu-rays/headphones/etc. which made a difference with reverberation time in the mid-range. Also have my LP collection to the back to act as scatter. But those panels would do nothing with bass unevenness. To achieve what was doable with DRC I suspect would have been very costly and not particularly esthetically pleasing to most rooms! I really should have some panels too, mainly behind my head (small room), but I try to manage without. Having a good bookshelf, a decent carpet and fluffy furniture helps. Though I'm sure it would be very beneficial behind me, I will never ever resort to 'audiophile art'! :-) Are your panels large or are they just to fix the sweet spot? Do they help outside it? Is it a big improvement? Archimago wrote: Another thing that's great with DRC FIR filters is the ability to do time-domain corrections. This definitely has improved soundstage and imaging in my room beyond flat frequency response and channel balance. Amen to that. What frequency range do you correct and are you happy with it? I only do 20-200Hz, but there's a lump at 300-400Hz which I should probably fix too, although I'm afraid of fiddling too much with the frequencies of the human voice. Do you have any recommendations or rules of thumb? Have you experimented? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
jh901 wrote: Anyhow, Analysis Plus is HQ'd within 1.5 hours of GPWoods. Shouldn't it be easy for you to discredit their engineers along with their claims? After checking their website, I really can't think of how to discredit them more than they have already done themselves. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
DRC is the poor man's 'room full of fluffy stuff'. If you have the time, space and funding to build a dedicated listening room with the help of audio engineers going bananas, I presume you don't need DRC at all. But there might be contraints, financial or perhaps estethic. DRC can help a lot, but not all the way. There are different problems in audio with different orders of magnitude. Listening room acoustics is high up on that scale and DRC can help correcting that problem. Much, much more rewarding per monetary unit and time spent than for instance replacing an amplifier with THD 0.005% to one with 0.0005% (which also would be pointless). Another advantage is that in the process one measures and quantifies the sound quality and usually present it in a visual way. After applying a suitable filter you can usually also see the improvement visually. DRC gives audible results, often substantial, but for the skeptic who likes seeing those in numbers, the process has inherent proof. So, why is DRC not everywhere already? As it's possible to automate it, there is no hard reason. At least according to my head, where I live. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Julf wrote: And for the believer, seeing the graphs makes it even more certain that they will hear the improvements... :) Numbers and graphs don't actually prove any audible improvement. That's often right, but I'd say that it depends on the order of magnitude of change. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
arnyk wrote: The grounds for comparing system optimization software do not appear to be specified in detail. You have already answered some of my vague questions. But to be more specific, they were regarding properties like for instance ease of setting up, getting a simple result, getting a really good result for one or perhaps even several points in the room, getting detailed information about the measurements and corrections, ease of changing the response manually, ... Also the technology behind the scenes, the kind of filters used, price, availability (DRC software often seem to be developed by very small companies and therefore releasing new versions, when needed, might not happen often enough or at all), ... I know you like writing long posts, but this might be a little much even for you. ;-) arnyk wrote: What might the second box be? A system always has to have speakers, and these stand alone and are uninvolved with the system optimization process, other than that they work pretty well. My point is that two boxes with DSP could be replaced by one box with DSP, both for simplicity and cost. My ideal system would be something like Meridian DSP with integrated automatic DRC (but less ugly, much less). By that I mean speakers with digital in, a DSP/DAC/amp per speaker element AND a DSP for room correction. To simplify the process there should ALSO be integrated automated room measurement. One box in total. It could then be fed from any digital source component. (Well, I can dream, can't I...?) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
arnyk wrote: I'm trying to figure out what is described above that I don't already have in place. My system offers room, speaker, and system correction via Audyssey which is a standard feature of the AVR. My loudspeakers are based on switchmode power supplies, power amps, and internal DSP optimization of the whole speaker system. My AVR, my BD player and my cable system DVR all incorporate full-function network music players for access to both my LAN and the entire Internet. Such an AVR with integrated room eq seems quite cost effective. Would it be possible to expand a bit upon the upsides of the AVR, Audyssey and the speakers? Perhaps compared to some other convolvers and/or other active speakers with DSP? (I use REW for measuring and BruteFirDRC for convolving. But it's a bit of a hassle to set it up. Keeping it alive also takes a bit of tinkering. The amp and speakers are plain stupid ones (analog/passive), so they have nothing to offer but quality.) It would be nice to have a completely self-contained solution but your two-box solution is perhaps as simple as it gets at this point in history? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
hansiebrand wrote: Room adjustment/equalization* 100 EQs, each with 16,000 frequency points http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/zero1/_en/tech-specs.html The room eq seems to be in the form of an optional software package which enables you to apply filtering. Thus I conclude that the measurements must be made using other equipment. That takes a lot of work and you need additional hardware as well as software. The filtering part is actually the easy part. If this functionality isn't somehow integrated in this loudspeaker system, then it's not such a salvation, in my humble opinion. I find room eq very important in my small listening room, it makes a substantial improvement in the lower end. As much as I hate to link to TAS, this is the only information I've found: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/avantgarde-acoustic-zero-1-pro-loudspeaker/?page=4 Does anyone know anything more about this? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] This time, it WAS the (USB) cable
Julf wrote: There was a great posting from I fucking hate pseudoscience today that I think is very relevant That's a very interesting observation. The tone that me and my collegues use at work is simply not possible in social circumstances (if you value your cranial bonestructure). I always attributed it to us thinking more in terms of black'n'white than in graytones, but this is a more plausible explanation (but perhaps not the only one). It probably also explains some of the heat exchange on this forum. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103818 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396
Wombat wrote: The attached zip contains the pics as downloaded once. Great! Thanks! Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
Wombat wrote: Tagging everything to its climax does mot hurt especialy when you do it while listening to good music without having to wurry how to improve its sound all day long. At least better tagging and coverart can be seen. It gets sick when fiddling with tuning things back and forth and back and forth until your brain gets muddy. I suppose nothing is a problem until it's a problem. If your wife sometimes mutters a little about this g*ddam tagging, there is no real problem. Yet. But if she one day yells I'm leaving you for a deaf person, you music tagging maniac!, there probably is one. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396
Wombat wrote: I have 2 older pics saved but i can't remember in what thread they were. They are the right pictures! They are just in reverse order, compared to Seans comments. You don't happen to have them in better resolution, do you? (Well, it's worth a try...) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
While fully agreeing, I haven't so far seen or heard of an audiophile spending all of his monthly income on Nordost cables and letting his children starve. ;-) To be serious, I have many times tried to explain the severe logical problems inherent in some popular yet grotesque conspiracy theories, but utterly failed. And these are highly intelligent people with higher educations. I agree with the article, but I also think that mistrusting science can be a kind of belief system in itself. And changing a belief is difficult at best. Arguments fall short where there's no will to even consider another view. How could you with rational arguments change views that aren't based on rationality, but on belief alone? It seems education and science doesn't solve it all. I think this way of thinking often stems from a social inheritance. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396
Mnyb wrote: If my memory serves me rigth the TP is very close to AKM's reference implementation and did not Sean Adams had some help from AKM ? That seem rational and sound to me ,why not ask the guys building the chips for advice instead of adding more quantum purifiers or whatnot :P . Sean Adams comments on the process of developing the Transporter http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?28126-Why-does-it-sound-betterhighlight=ak4396 AKM Evaluation Board http://www.akm.com/akm/en/file/ev-board-manual/AK4396VF.pdf Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
Julf wrote: And the complementary I read what I believe effect... And the I never socialize with others outside my peer group also does not help. Mnyb wrote: The childs may not starve due to nordost cables but college funds and family vacations and in general the quality of life for the rest of the (still remaining ) familly will suffer due to funds wasted on emperors new clothes (aka nothing ). Agreed, but I have cunningly developed a solution to that problem, see below. Mnyb wrote: Read this blog on stereophile http://www.stereophile.com/content/death-audiophile It actually has the opposite effect to what the authors intended it basically describes a wasted life . It's totally horrifying :( That's incredibly sad! Hideous! I don't know what to say. As for the opposite effect of the blog, there really is an unneccessary amount of name-dropping. Bad PR = good PR. The cynic in me awakes a little... But I sincerely hope it's just a non-existent pattern. Anyway, to bury me, one first have to untangle me from the chains of coathangers I have run around the place, as Nordost killers. :-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
I recently heard an interesting theory on a scientific radio show. The core of intelligence was said to be pattern recognition. The more intelligent, the more you'd be able to find patterns. Even where there are none. I think it's a plausible explanation for conspiracy theorists. That would also explain why my intelligent friends believe in all sorts of strange fruit. And why I don't. :-) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
Mnyb wrote: Add some magic thinking to that coincidence and causations gets confused. Wikipedia has a really interesting page on this subjekt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking And here's an experiment that shows that even pigeons can think magically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstitious_pigeon#Superstition_in_the_pigeon On the other hand, I also remember a scientific study where humans scored worse than pigeons in predicting an outcome. There was a machine with two buttons and a hole, where some food would appear if the correct button was pressed when a red light came on. Which button that gave the reward was determined by a random mechanism. As the humans thought they saw a pattern, Ooh yess, after two on the left side followed by one on the right side, the correct one is always the left one! they acted upon it and scored worse than the pigeons who just randomly pecked on the buttons until they got something to eat. Which is the more successful animal? Coin toss. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why foo (aven audiophile foo) matters
Mnyb wrote: Yes if thats is one of the endstates of this harmless obsession to move around mpingo discs 1/16 of an inch and then you die . This can be a very time consuming a debilitating obsessions for many , I was like that when I was young it was what I wanted to talk about etc . A thing to think about , conect the dots and see where they might lead you in the future, is an end state similar the one described in that blog a possibility ? I was thinking about it a couple of years ago . I could just see more money down the rabbit hole and more OCD like obsessions on placebo . That's was not a happy thought . All very good points. And scary. Once in a while, one should probably look at one's own life from a helicopter perspective and extrapolate a bit. Or a lot. I think I just might do that myself. But when is a hobby good for you and when does it go over the edge? Is furnishing your livingroom partly according to scientifically calculated speakerpositions bad or does it just help you to maximise the joy of the music? Is accurate tagging of music files an obsession or does it just help you to find the music? I suppose many of us here are guilty of both. Obviously this horrible case shows the absolute bottom where noone actually wants to end up, but very few would actually let it slide so far. When is enough enough? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl
Mnyb wrote: What happens when we rip such CD I suspect that this info gets lost ? Do you know a way to regognises this a marking on the cd case , put it in a 25 year old CD player and watch the de-emp ligth come on ? Is there a de-emp filter for foobar or dBpower amp etc ? *Filters* foobar2000 (foo_dsp_effect) sox *Detection* dBpoweramp There are probably many others too. As de-emphasis just is a filter, it could be done using any filter editor if you know the coefficients. I once saw eledged ones at some website. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103078 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's Chinese Wall between advertising and editorial departments
andy_c wrote: I bookmarked one of the funnier posts I have seen on just this very subject. It is '_here_' (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2454.html#post3092791) (first one, by SY, JC=John Curl in the quote). That thread mentions an absolute goldmine of crazy. Bury most of your face in pillows and read with eyes half-closed! You have been warned. http://www.stereophile.com/content/zanden-5000-mkivsignature-da-converter-2000-premium-cd-transport-measurements Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Julf wrote: Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I guess routers)... I'm truly sorry to hear that. Can't say I'm surprised though. Do you have a link? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Mnyb wrote: The silver in them must be hand forged by singing virgins in the moonlight or possibly elfs . Otherwise they won't do . Virgin elf, my son. Virgin elf. The seventh son of a seventh son of a virgin elf. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Ethernet Cable and Audio...
Archimago wrote: On that note, I published the Intercontinental Test thanks to Mnyb. :-) http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html Enjoy... Such a splendid showcase! If this doesn't eradicate audiophoolia, nothing will! (And my money is on the latter...) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Active Speakers
I noticed that Event actually shows distortion figures in percent for the whole speaker system and not just the amplifier. Also, the figures are better than I'd have expected. But why the 3rd harmonic? OPAL 2-way 750-watt Active Monitor: 3rd Harmonic Distortion @ 90dB SPL, 1m: 500 - 7kHz - 0.08% 200 - 20kHz - 0.2% 200Hz - 1.5% http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/event-opal-2-way-750-watt-active-monitor This is a first for me. It should be mandatory. Does someone know of another speaker manufacturer who does this? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102170 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
probedb wrote: Why? The music is more dynamically compressed, it'd make it more difficult to hear little nuances etc not easier, surely. It solves the problem of can't crank up the volume to hear the softer passages enough because the louder parts gives me pain, but can't turn down the volume down enough to avoid the pain because then I can't hear the softer sounds. More tunes for the buck. Amplitude differencies are obviously scaled down (lost) in the process, but music also consists of frequencies. Some might call that the most important part of music. (Others may say the music is what happens between the notes.) But even in Iggy Pop's most compressed work there are melodies to be heard. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 4 or 3?
The washers I use with my spikes cost me $12 for 8 pcs, I think, and it seems highly unlikely that they perform worse than gold plated ones. But still, it's hopeless to adjust four spikes, so I believe vibrations are in principal unavoidable. But does it constitute a problem? For some background, I found a paper that uses a smidge of science for an introduction to a bit of the basics of (de)coupling using spikes and (visco)elastic materials 101: www.genesisloudspeakers.com/whitepaper/Genesis_Loudspeaker_Coupling_Decoupling.pdf If I'd buy something from the site mentioned above, I'm afraid I'd get stuff that's been lying around in his garage for 25 years. The material might have hardened in that time span. And I suspect that it's Sorbothane, by the way. Also, I rarely believe what I can't verify by myself, so I'd feel intellectually naked if I used sighted listening tests for evaluation. And it would be truly exhausting to perform any kind of blind listening tests in this case. What to do? The obvious answer is of course to measure the vibrations objectively: au naturel, with felt cushions, when adjusting the spikes, with spikes, with Sorbothane cushions, ... (Almost as exhausting.) There are plenty of apps that measure vibrations, some even in 3D. Perhaps one of them would suffice? For instance: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vibrationmeter https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrmobilehl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lul.vibration.monitoringhl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.vibrationhl=en Has anybody done this already? I'll see if I can find the time to play a little with all of this. But unfortunately it'll take a while. Right now my main stereo that drives the floorstanders isn't even functional, as my media server is, ehm, resting. Thanks for your input, guys! Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102384 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
Some people have problems hearing faint sounds, some have problems with transients, some have problems with both. These are problems that many people experience when they grow older and some even long before that. All of these people would presumably actually *benefit* from the loudness war. They would simply hear more of the music, without the pain during the transients. This is the same principle that makes music with low dynamics more easy to listen to using only tiny computer speakers. Too faint and you can't hear anything for the buzzing fan, too loud overloads the speakers. (Like many others I experience listening fatigue when I listen to music with low dynamics. But I haven't yet developed any hearing problems, I think, so I prefer high dynamics just because I can.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 4 or 3?
I have a problem. I'm sure many of you have had, or still have the same one. When I try to trim the four spikes underneath my floorstanding speakers to make them level and stable and hence not prone to vibration, I always rigorously curse the designers who didn't put three spikes there instead or four, which would make the problem moot and also the speakers a little cheaper. Is there any benefit from using four, or are speaker manufacturers just generally rigid and, well, dense? Or are they perhaps all conspiring and doing this for the sole reason of annoying me? Please help my tormented soul and enlighten me! PS Or, to open up Pandora's box, do I even need spikes in the first place? Perhaps they're just remnants from the dark 80s? Perhaps small pieces of self-adhesive felt instead would solve my problem, without scratching my hardwood floor? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102384 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 4 or 3?
Ah yes, I actually found this site a few years ago. The audio society Ljudtekniska Sällskapet, which is mentioned, is honourable enough, but I didn't dare purchasing anything. Both 'audiophile' and 'standard' damping feet, both for speakers and CD players. A web site that hasn't changed since about the year 2000, with reviews from 1991. Hm. I smelled a rat. But I like the idea of tuned suspension. When I do my laundry I often admire the double suspension under the washing machines that absorbs almost all of the different vibrational frequencies and amplitudes. Very efficient and very instructive, and yet I never thought of applying that principle to speakers. Also interesting to see the jagged graph of the floor movement with spikes. I'll look into this. It seems like a sound idea and I haven't even had the prospect of a hardware tweak in more than a decade. And the grandchildren of the original seller might still be alive. :-) Perhaps there is another solution out there somewhere, based on the same principle...? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102384 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ready to fly
ralphpnj wrote: What does a unicorn fart smell like and would one be able to tell it apart of a fairy fart in a double blind test? I have no idea. But I know what they sound like, so a double blind test is a breeze. The fairy has DR11 and the unicorn DR18. More oomph, so to speak. OK, I'll be quiet now. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Would You Replace a Transporter With?
castalla wrote: Price: $7,200.00 Well, it does costs a bit to carve out a tunnel in one extra 1 kg of aluminum, to be able to run a DC cable through it. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cognitive biases
Good stuff. While I admit to suffering from all of these problems, it's not immediate clear to me how the following pertains to audiophilism: Affect heuristic, Duration neglect, Galatea effect, Hard-Easy bias, Omission bias. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cognitive biases
Mnyb wrote: Some maybe ? we do get ourselfs motivated to do stuff due to our comunity here that we otherwise wont do or would not think off . Remebre bias is niether good or bad its just bias :) I don't quite follow. Which one(s) are you refering to? I think even bias is biased. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
andy_c wrote: These are somewhat new developments... The basic idea is this... Seem reasonable. Perhaps even not too extremely costly, as at least Geddes says that the sub quality is not important. (Which is one of the questions that I have.) As I was thinking about floor space, I suddenly had a spark of genius! (Or perhaps not so much...) Is there a reason not to mount the multiple subs directly under the ceiling? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cognitive biases
Mnyb wrote: ...Galatea effect... Ah, yes. I misread the definition of the Galatea effect. I thought it just was about underperforming (which I thought was odd), but I see now that it also is about succeeding. And I must confess I often equate cynisism with realism. An objective component review would indeed be hard with ABX. I have always been suspicious of ABX, as it, from a purely practical standpoint, simply is too difficult to manage. It's almost as hard as doing a doubleblind study on the effects of oil massage. Fugedaboudit. I think a more fruitful way is to measure, measure and measure again. We would perhaps need to develop more methods of testing. For instance some people seem to believe that single test tones are not enough. Maybe they have a point. Well, then develop a different method to investigate that. It's not just about proving things, it's also about explaining why it is a proof to the people that don't have the background to understand it by themselves. And hearing/seeing is believing. Never waste time with subjectivities. Always find hard facts and build on those. Yada yada. (Why do these discussions always come to this?) But I actually believe the optimal testing method is already since long invented; the null test. It's extremely powerful, but more importantly; it's also extremely transparent. Everyone understands it and it's hard to argue that the test is inadequate, when you actually measure the entire audio content of some complex piece of music and compare this to the source. What could possibly be missed? And if you get a difference at the -120dB level, this would be very difficult to hear. It's easily tested, just attenuate a sound in a sound editor by that amount and see if you can hear it with the volume knob unchanged. If you can, then add a masking noise and we're done. By the way, doing a null test with the the entire audio chain would be very unforgiving. There is a reason that we never see distortion figures for speakers, in the way that we do for amps. Not to mention the listening room. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cognitive biases
Mnyb wrote: There is the wonderfull audiodiffmaker program for this :) compare 120dB zeros with for examle trying to hear anything attenuated -120dB at your listening position good luck with that , or listen to the residue signal itself ! .Afaik the arguments about test tones falls a bit short if you also measure iIM with at least two tones , then you covered all bases as i believe fourier was quite rigth any complex tone is composed of several sine components Yes, audiodiffmaker is great. I played around with it a couple of years ago. It cured a lot. And yes, Fourier was definitely right. Can't be more right than right. (I recall proving this as an exercise at school, a long time ago. Now, I wouldn't know where to start.) Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
Mnyb wrote: Build IB subs in the ceiling or under the floor or in the walls :) http://ibsubwoofers.proboards.com/ hmm I'm not handy enough to undertake such a thing I'd like to read that, but that link doesn't like me specifically(!). Perhaps it lightens up a little later... Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 (rewv5) *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
andy_c wrote: The multiple subwoofer idea is a deep rabbit hole. :D One of its proponents is Earl Geddes, a guy who did his Ph.D dissertation three decades ago on acoustics of small rooms. A good place to start might be '_this_blog_post_' (http://seriousaudioblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/two-great-articles-on-multiple.html), which hosts two PDF files concerning multiple sub theory and setup procedure written by Dr. Geddes, along with some commentary by the blogger, who goes by the nym of DS-21 on several forums. There's also a '_video_by_Earl_on_this_topic_' (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/28637776/highlight/323843) which has an associated '_PowerPoint_presentation_' (http://gedlee.azurewebsites.net/Papers/OptimalBassPlaybackinSmallRooms.pptx) (PPTX file), which helps, as the display of the PowerPoint slides in the video is hard to read. Also, this video skips the beginning of the presentation which was disturbed by a number of technical problems with the video equipment. Reading the beginning of the PPTX file helps to fill in the missing details from the beginning. I see you're using Linux. I'm on Windows, and LibreOffice is working well for viewing the PPTX file. These techniques rely on measurement capability. I'm using the free Room EQ Wizard, along with an inexpensive measurement mic and an external USB sound adapter that has a mic preamp with phantom power for the mic built in. I see from your sig that you're using some room correction software, so I guess you already have measurement capability. Interesting. I have read the PDF files and must say that most of his points och conclusions are quite surprising to me. It's not how I have interpreted other sources. I'm not questioning him, he seems to have done his homework, I'm just surprised. His views are also very strong. Do these views represent common knowledge? I'm using REWv5 too. Very comprehensive and capable software. I have a calibrated Behringer ECM8000 mic and a M-Audio Fast Track Pro mic preamp. So I have the measuring capability, but apart from not wanting to trouble my neighbors even more, I'm a bit challenged in the floor space department. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
Mnyb wrote: Damping the room enough to,get rid of flutter echo ( the garage / cave sound ) using some odd bits of acoustic material , mostly behind me I'm sitting close to the back wall . What kind of acoustic material are you using behind you on the back wall? How thick? Is it the entire wall, or mostly around the sofa, a bit over ear height? Or...? PS If my house were burned to the ground, I'd start over again with all Meridian gear. It's a very good concept and the quality seems just as good. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
andy_c wrote: My understanding from reading the paper and Toole's book is that reflections from the front and back walls may not be beneficial for giving the illusion of spaciousness because the reflected components of the sounds in the left and right ears caused by them are highly correlated, while the opposite is true for side wall reflections. My home that I moved into a few years ago is one of those open-plan homes that seem to be popular nowadays. Also, it has hard tile floors on all but the bedrooms and study. So kitchen, dining room, living room and hallway running all the way from front door to back are all hard tile. Floors and ceiling are drywall. When I first moved in, it sounded like a cave, with all sorts of late echoes. In the listening area, I put a large area rug, big squishy leather couches and chair forming a U shape, and hanging decorative rugs on front and back walls (but not the side). This seems to have completely tamed the cave effect in the living room where my system is, but it is still prevalent in the kitchen and dining room, which are dominated by hard surfaces. Next project is multiple subwoofers! That's an interesting aspect of the paper too. Ah. I have it all backwards. The room size and the way it's furnished doesn't really allow for much squishy stuff on the front och back walls, so I have not done anything there. But I've always taken comfort in the fact that at least I have book shelves on the side walls of the room. Perhaps any amount of soft matter at the front or back would be an improvement? Sometimes I see people having a kind of room treatment, a sort of board roughly the size of a newspaper, standing on the floor by the front wall, directly behind the speakers. Do they help much? I use Digital Room Correction and it makes a substantial improvement. But it's very obvious that you can't cheat the laws of physics. Since we're discussing psychoacoustics, perhaps this new knowledge alone will make me less satisfied with the sound of my current setup. I'd like to, but dare not use subwoofers. I have a neighbor with such a contraption and this buildning clearly wasn't constructed with that in mind. I don't want to stress my neighbors more that I already do. And I do. But just for adding to my brainweight, or in case I move house soon (I'm looking), please let me know any good ideas. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
get.amped wrote: Surprisingly, not all sub-woofers are created equal :rolleyes: I have found that the ones intended for home theater low frequency effects are rarely appropriate for music reproduction. They rumble and shake most impressively, but don't have the same tight, punchy bass that I get from my Quads. There are subs specifically designed for music that provide nice reinforcement in the 30-60Hz range that many monitor/bookshelf sized speakers struggle to reproduce well. Yes, I know there are different kinds, but I have never really given it any thought in this case. I just implicitly assumed it was my annoying neighbor's choice of music, or whatever one should call that roaring stuff. But actually, when I think about it, he seems to use his sub mostly for gaming, so it's probably safe to assume that it's one of the cheaper and shakier varieties. And explosions are seldom particularly musical. I have decent floorstanders, which go down to 30 Hz, but they could be more controlled at the bottom end. That probably mostly depends on room modes, speaker placement and so on. But still. It would be interesting to try out a high class sub, or perhaps even multiple ones, tuned to perfection for precisely my livingroom. Hmm. Something to consider for my future (bigger and hopefully more soundproof) apartment. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
andy_c wrote: One good source of information about psychoacoustics and how it relates to sound reproduction can be found... Ooo, this was very interesting! According to this paper, reflections are neutral or benign in small rooms (except in the LF range). Who knew? Adaptation seems to be powerful. Roughly speaking; before adaptation the room is the significant factor and the loudspeaker isn't, and vice versa. Perhaps this is the most important factor in the infamous breaking-in of speakers? (Not cables or such, that falls into the category of in dire need of heavy medication.) And yes, I know that one common explanation is the subtle untightening of screws due to vibrations, which doesn't seem unlikely. It really puts some of common audiophile knowledge in perspective. Both pure myths but also expert advice from, for instance, loadspeaker manufacturers. Physical models of wave propagation don't seem to be enough, we simply don't hear precisely what is measured. The physical models so far only concern what reaches the ear drums (or possibly the end of the cochlear nerve), we are not yet able to measure the impact of the extensive processing happening in our minds during the act of hearing. Granted, this is not a new concept at all, but at least I haven't previously had a glimpse of the magnitude of importance. I have so far only read half of the paper and I'm sure more revelations are to come. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
Gandhi wrote: Ooo, this was very interesting!Religious awakening Perhaps a better way of improving the listening experience than buying new speakers is by professional listening therapy by a KBT shrink on a weekly basis? Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Official SB Audiophile Forum Quantum Audio Fruitloopery List
andy_c wrote: Just ran across the '_My_Time_At_Hovland_' (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/227913-my-time-hovland-hp-100-lore.html) thread at diyaudio.com. Funny stuff! Hilarious! Especially that some people actually defend this beep bip bep! How does one avoid becoming (even more) cynical with the accumulation of knowledge? Please let me know. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101564 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Official SB Audiophile Forum Quantum Audio Fruitloopery List
Julf wrote: If you find out, please let me know as well! I have a solution. Accumulate knowledge about something else, something positive. I'll take my own advice and stop reading this thread immediately, it makes me way more sad than amused. Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101564 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Happy thoughts
I decided to start a thread about psychoacoustics. (Perhaps not the most obvious choice for thinking happy thoughts. And in the audiophile section as well...) Does anyone have any thought-provoking psychoacoustic phenomena to share? I'll go first. Perhaps you already know of them, but they were unknown to me. Shepard tone - How the Batpod appears to be forever accelerating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone Hearing melodies in a constant spectrum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_spectrum_melody Seeing is hearing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect Best Regards, Gandhi not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|* dbpoweramp with accuraterip *|* flac *|* fanless asrock z77e-itx intel i5-3570t *|* ubuntu 12.04.1 lts 32-bit *|* lms 7.8.0 *|* brutefirdrc 3.0 *|* transporter (balanced out) *|* thule ia252b *|* audio physic scorpio *|* no fancy cables. *+* also some booms. *+* harmony 525s for them all, including waking the server from s3. Gandhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58909 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101723 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
