Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet And Transporter Sound Comparison
I thourgt that the sb3 sounded more relaxed then the transporter out the analog outs . What you prefere is personal . The digital output of the transporter havvever clearly sounded better into my former tact amp IMO. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audible vs inaudible
Hearing and tasting is two intirely different things therefor the test is of no use in this case. Hearing is like seeing , its ALWASY a combination with the state of mind (basic psykology). Tasting is different , its not influenced by the mind. And thats also why the hearing sence and music is probverly the worst instruments for reliably determing enything. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
I whent from transporter to sneaky ds after a dirct comparison at my dealer. Im sorry to say but the transporter is not in the same league IMO . The userbility havever is miles better then the linn. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
tomjtx;356559 Wrote: I compared the Linn to my Transporter in my system. I preferred the Transporter. There are a lot of Linn flat earthers that can't comprehend that something else can sound just as good or better. I dont beleive you one bit. The fact is that the dealer has the Sneaky ds and Transporter set up so you can compare for yourself , and all the customers had chosen the sneaky as the best sounding unit , but som chose the transport for its userbility. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
tomjtx;356669 Wrote: The last refuge of the intellectually deficient is to call someone a liar. Thank you for revealing your lack of character, harmonic. We have a Linn dealer here and BTW I have a full blown Linn table. So I am not anti Linn per se. Linn demos are dominated by gullible Linn devotees so it doesn't surprise me that crowd would prefer any Linn product. The simple truth is that DAC technology has improved so much that there are many reasonably priced high end contenders out there. There is no need to limit oneself to the Linn line and ideology to get great sound. I'll take a Lavry, benchmark , Transporter or Ayre over a Linn. The simpel truth is that you did not bring home a DS . That makes you both hypocritc and a liar , just like when you first explained in your usual arrogant way have you absolutly dont relay on enything you read in a review just to make you sound clever, but then later on you defend the transporters sonics by refereing to the stereophile review. Oh one littel thing you are not nessarely a gullible Linn devoter because you compare a linn source to a transporter and greatly prefere the first. It only really says somthing about you amd your owen ignorence -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox upgrades
Run while you can -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience
This is one word war i dont want to get into. Haveever reason studies in have the brain reacts in various abx test senarios have proved that the hearing sence is very very tricky compared to tast , smell and so on. In short the brain is almost incapeble of remembering sound. The brain is alomst primitiv in the way it only rembers what the music was and felt like hearing , (and ofcause if there where was eny gross focus on surthen frequnces) The irony is that the brain dos not analyse music the same way as it dos with food for and example , the thory is that humans have evolved in such a way that we are better at things that are dangerous then things that are not and food is just more dangerous then music . Music inspires emotions in humans , that is have it has been for since the dawn of time and thats have oure brain insists it to be. The brain is a fantatsik machine but its also very primitiv in surthen ways and was never designed to analyse music. Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100 right. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54077 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. Numerik
http://www.empiricalaudio.com/ -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54015 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. Numerik
The surthen musical sound that is very smooth yet complex you describe is a trade mark linn sound ither you like it or you dont understand it and it sounds that you do the first. I would look for one of the latest versions of the numerik, because over its 9 year life spand there have been numorious of upgrades along the way and the lates versions have the swichmode ps that really cleaned up the bass respons. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54015 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
darrenyeats;331714 Wrote: As it happens we have already one person saying they can ABX 320 mp3 and FLAC so this supports your conclusion. Personally the conclusion is irrelevant to me (as explained in previous posts). If it turns out you're right then great. :) It is your logic that's foxing me, though. Knowing that A and B are different on a technical level doesn't mean the difference must be audible. And if A and B cannot be distinguished by ABX that doesn't mean ABX is broken. It means the difference between A and B isn't audible, no matter how technically different they are. 'A' could be someone singing into a paper cup with string and 'B' could be an SACD player. It doesn't matter because the ABX isn't intended to reveal the technical differences...it determines only whether a human can really hear the difference between A and B. Darren No the problem is ABX testing dont work with sound, your brain cant reliable remember sound . Music is also a very bad measurment tool because it evolves around emotions. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
opaqueice;331720 Wrote: How do you account for all the positive results people get with it, then? Have you ever even tried a blind test? This isn't about music. If it was, everyone would be perfectly happy with 192 kbps MP3 (and the vast majority of people are, by the way). Well I really dont want to get into somkind of pointless internet argument . But Yes i have atended abx tests several times . Im studing A level psychology at the moment and one of the my studys is the brains ability regading abx tests. Well you do use music when you preform a abx test . Having been around music makeing both active as well as studying it i think its pretty safe to say that music is basicly emotions with sound. The better a componet is the better it is at comunicating thise emotions out. In a ABX test this goes right out the window when you hear it over and over again. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
opaqueice;331740 Wrote: Translation: I can't defend my nonsense, so I'll just hit and run. Why do you keep repeating something that's obviously false? No matter how many times you say it, it's not going to change the facts. If ABX testing didn't work it wouldn't ever consistently reveal differences in sound - but it does. If you approach your studies with that kind of total absence of logic you're not going to do very well... It would be quit interresting doing a psychological evaluation on you. Enyway i stated my point do with it whatever you want im done. All the best -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
seanadams;330752 Wrote: Would you prefer one that measures poorly? Or do you believe that my own subjective preferences are aligned with yours? Have do you measure musicality ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
I never really liked the sound from the transporter, then i bourgt a moddified one and the difference diddent give me enymore musical plasure , so sold that one . The i went to sb3 and tried several dacs with it including benchmarkt dac-1 stello mk1 mk2 and some other i cant remember the name of , the benchmark i liked the best in my system but to be honest in musical terms the sb3 was just as good so i continued my search. Then i got the new Linn Snekay DSand was completly baffeld have much better it made my system sound. All the various combinations of streamers i had in the past had one thing in commen and thats lack of bass extension and difinition and musicality. The sneaky brought back all of this and in the same time gave me more clearity and fidility then the transporter ever produced IMO. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
ModelCitizen;330257 Wrote: That's three things. MC You most really have a borring life. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
Anne;330316 Wrote: I have to agree with you, in a roundabout sort of way. Playing my SB3 with analog out I think its very average sounding, no deep bass, 2-dimensional sound, flat, no perspective, you name it. When using digital out to my Bryston dac everything changes, suddenly I got height, depth, wide soundstage, and deep punchy bass. The difference is quite significant. There is something very weird in that you dont like Stello, its been given a lot of praise. I have seen people sell their Benchmark DAC1 because they thought a cheap Beresford sounded better, or because they couldnt hear the difference from their Philips dvd playerso something is very amiss sometimes with dacs, what is it? Just personal taste? Regardings the two stellos, the demo was in my room with a friend and only for that day , the both made the sb3 sound better in some ways,havever when using linn tundem to determen what sounded most musical the sb3 sounds just as good. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter and bryston bda-1
sfraser;330333 Wrote: I was looking at the Bryston DAC a few weeks ago. Do they not use the same DAC chip as the the Transporter? Rememberthe DAC chip is only one littel piece of the puzzel that makes a digital source. A digital source consist of literally hundreds of different components, and those components can come from various differet manufactors. Its have you string all thise variabels together that will determen have if will sound . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...
Ever since people read that the sb3 and transporter are Bit perfect, and that the transporter has the MIRACLE dac and a sound that will supass even the most excotic cd player a mob of slim fanatics was born. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48792 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Would you upgrade ?
mr_bill;310414 Wrote: How can the bottle neck be the Transporter dac - AKM miracle dac? That seems ludicrous to me. Wow seriously ? a real miracle dac then the transporter must be amazing. A local dealer has the transporter and a linn sneaky ds player hooked up to the same system . I have zero clue what dac the sneaky uses but i do know it sounds considerably more neutral and correct along side a natural musicalty that makes the transporter sounds rather uninspireing . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48713 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Would you upgrade ?
Phil Leigh;310492 Wrote: Without wanting to start a war, how do you know it is more neutral and correct?... what exactly is your benchmark here? Phil Good questian More neutral because voices, instruments, drums, sounds more like the real deal. More correct because it was much better infact at seperating the instruments in the soundstage, and you could folllow the individuel instruments more clearly. The most aparent difference between the transporter and the sneaky was in the way it starts and stops and puts the weight to the music in the exact right places. The trasnporter in this regard sounded pretty close to dead. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48713 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Would you upgrade ?
I would stay a way from modding , there are all kinds of things that can go wrong , been there done that. Besides that if you dont like the sound dont mod it find somthing that sounds better. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48713 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
I think that there is a significal difference betwen the two systems presended here. The one opp showed seemed like somone that just had to much money and whent out and bourgt all the most expensiv hifi he could find and stuff it all in one room. I know a couple of guys in the tact comunity that have visited jean yeves system in france , the say that with fast rock pop music it sounds strange , but put on some classic stuff and you will piss your pants. The system dosnet have enything to do with just enjoying listning to music , its goal is to come as close to the real thing as possible and in yeans case that is a classiv music concert. Jean yves system is different, jean yves he has been building and optimzing this system for many years, Its a continuasly evolution and everytime there is somthing that could be done better being amps, speakre drivers it gets replaced, infact he replaced his former14 cary triod tube amps with modded tcat 2150 amps. He is now the importer of tact audio , shunyata, and goto, for france . He have several of people working on his system , all the tact amps are higly moddified, and have wordclock inputs. He uses two higely moddified tact 2.2 xps as digital crossovers for the goto drivers, and ale horn system And it demands serious skills setting it up. If you read in the inteviewhe explains that the next thing in his sytem will be a computer based fronend instead of the esoteric/dcs he had before, thats was in 2003, -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
I think that there is a significal difference betwen the two systems presended here. The one opp showed seemed like somone that just had to much money and whent out and bourgt all the most expensiv hifi he could find and stuff it all in one room. Jean yves system is different, jean yves he has been building and optimzing this system for many years, Its a continuasly evolution and everytime there is somthing that could be done better being amps, speakre drivers it gets replaced, infact he replaced his former14 cary triod tube amps with modded tcat 2150 amps. He is now the importer of tact audio , shunyata, and goto, for france . He have several of people working on his system , all the tact amps are higly moddified, and have wordclock inputs. He uses two higely moddified tact 2.2 xps as digital crossovers for the goto drivers, and ale horn system And it demands serious skills setting it up. I know a couple of guys in the tact comunity that have actualy heard jean yeves system, the say that with fast rock pop music it sounds strange , but put on some classic stuff and you will piss your pants. The system dosnet have enything to do with just enjoying listning to music , its goal is to come as close to the real thing as possible and in yeans case that is a classiv music concert. If you read in the inteviewhe explains that the next thing in his sytem will be a computer based fronend instead of the esoteric/dcs he had before, thats was in 2003, -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn sneaky ds
http://www.linn.co.uk/sneaky_music_ds -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
Have a look at jean yves system http://www.stereotimes.com/showreportces05page2.shtml http://www.aca.gr/pop_jyk.htm -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Paradigm;290254 Wrote: The Linn cinema preamp was realy state of the art at 1997. No cd-player we have tested before, has been sounding better than the internal DAcs used in 5103, with the exeption of the Linn Ikemi, in my friends Linn rigg ( Majik 140, 5125, 5103 ). It is very interesting that sound quality has been developing so much at resent times- the same sound can be had for much less money, apparently. Digital sources have become better and better since the early 90`s but i believe that using hardisk playback technology is the key that made digital mature. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
To be fair the ikemi is a discountinued product (since 2002 i beleive ) a more fair comparioson would be one of the unidisk players. The preamp with the dac you used is from 1997 no wonder the 2008 duet`s analog out sounds better. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;290250 Wrote: Seriously.. Since when did OLD mean poor performing =:-O Not in all aspekts of life or hifi is old worse and new bettert ; ) havever In the digital source domain i would say newer is better ; ) a bit like computers no point on argiuing what is better a comodor 64 or a mac g5. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;290257 Wrote: That probably means the Linn CD12 is very bad, because it's old I think you are misunderstandig somthing on purpose. I never said that the very best past source would be bettered then eny cheap source as long as its newer. If you build a new sondek cd 12 every 2 years and the between time continued trying to improve it with better parts and design techniques it will become better and betterget it ; ). If you take a 90`s formular f1 car it will still go faster then a todays family car. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Kris;290270 Wrote: Linn Akurate DS is in with some new Kimber Kable Select KS-3033. Still need to setup the room/speakers properly as they aren't sounding too crash hot yet :( Here are some photos: http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Linn/linn1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Linn/linn2.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Kimber/_MG_6402.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Kimber/_MG_6403.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Kimber/_MG_6405-2.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Kimber/_MG_6400.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~teamkk/Kimber/_MG_6399.jpg Ill post a detailed review later.. You got PM -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3
To whom it may concern. A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind and wont change the subject. (Quot Winston Churchill) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45561 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
New linn ds player http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/browse.asp?product=3916 -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
A long way down the road i actually have the same oppinion that opp. I dont hear major difference between different transports and to some degree alos well designed sources. Havever there issent a rule without and exception and the exception is Linn sources. Blind or not blind linn sources are kinda special, the are extremly tunefull and musical above all. Blind the are easy picked out because the play the tune so its easy to folow wich make the sonics standout compared to other sources. I did the dbt level matched test with a unidisk sc against the sb3 and then main thing i wrote down was that it was extremly easy to follow the diferent tunes in the music with the linn unidisk. Also the unidisk had so much more bass deepth and bass articulation that i had to move the speakers 20 cm father from the back walls. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;288021 Wrote: That's quite a feat moving speakers blind. Hope you didn't stub your toes. After the test i moved the speakers ; ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
If enyone in the Uk want to a/b test the Linn DS against the slimdevices products vist this dealer. http://www.studioav.co.uk/the_news/latest_news/experience_klimax_ds_and_linn_majik_for_yourself.html A swidish Linn dealer did the same thing and based apone user comments comparing the sb3 vs akurate ds made the sb3unbareble to listen to. Owning a sb3 i find that hard to beleive, but that was several of peoples findings. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
ope in the klimax ds thread you wrote this to me Quote: Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on a squeezebox in a nice case. Have fun with that! Its pretty obvious that it wassent a joke thats why i cant understand what you are doing in thise kinds of forums. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
I thourgt so. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter owner...
My experince is exactly same. It did get better after a couple of weeks but it was still overly analytical and thin. I did get it modded , that diddent do much , but the mod greatly improved the digital out wich was the mod designers main goal . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44360 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
opaqueice;276958 Wrote: Cables all sound the same (given the mild caveats discussed above). But a cable is just a piece of metal wire surrounded by an insulator. Contrary to all that audio voodoo they are very simple to understand, at least at the level important for audio. DACs are much more complicated, and so it's a lot harder to make a general statement about them. Nonetheless it's still true that the differences, if any, are generally barely audible under normal circumstances. I suspect that most DACs are indistinguishable from each other under normal listening circumstances, and those that are not are just badly designed. Yeah, so? You can't get any clearer than transparent. herer we go again have fun . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
opaqueice;276958 Wrote: Cables all sound the same (given the mild caveats discussed above). But a cable is just a piece of metal wire surrounded by an insulator. Contrary to all that audio voodoo they are very simple to understand, at least at the level important for audio. DACs are much more complicated, and so it's a lot harder to make a general statement about them. Nonetheless it's still true that the differences, if any, are generally barely audible under normal circumstances. I suspect that most DACs are indistinguishable from each other under normal listening circumstances, and those that are not are just badly designed. Yeah, so? You can't get any clearer than transparent. It's not a question of probability or of sounding better while playing normal music. My SB3 has a buzz coming from its left channel, which changes both in tone and level depending on the brightness of the display and is audible when it's idle or when you're close to the left tweeters. In my particular system and environment (which is atypical) noise floor is an important issue. Its your own oppinion not facts ; ) . I completly disagree with 95 % of it . Have fun -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
Listener;277008 Wrote: I've followed this thread with amusement at first. The coathanger comparison was absurd and just funny. No need to take it as an attack on anyone's world view. I'm not amused at the continuing personal attacks on O. GuyDebord, you continue to make personal attacks. You seem unable to tolerate anyone's having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours. You may want this forum to be a playpen for subjectivists undisturbed by even one cold eyed objectivist. Get over it! Harmonic, don't invent things, attribute them to other people and then attack them on that basis. (The klimax have a much smaller display so it must sound a just littel bit better (according to you)) Bill Well when a person in the hifi comunity comes out and tells his personal oppinions like the where facts anthen he are bound to get a strong reactions. Espicialy proclaming that all sources regardles of design sound pretty much the same. Its completly pointless arguing with somone like opp , his has his oppinion . I find the sources to have a huge influence to have musical a system sounds, The linn Tune dem listning method is a great way of demonstrating this. I dont care much for hifi forums enymore people have all kind of wild ideas about have it all works. I preferre making my owen oppinions and experinces instead of buying into the one that have the best argument. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
opaqueice;276261 Wrote: I already did. I'm not going to repeat myself if you can't be bothered to read my posts. There are always an infinite number of conditional clauses to every statement. Adult human beings know how to communicate anyway (except sometimes when they don't want to listen). That's what I said. They are, and I can prove it. Or rather, I could prove it, but I'm not going to waste my time, because others already did so long ago. Sorry. I never said any such thing. That would be a ridiculous thing to say. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be answering yes to, but in any case, why should I do that? No, not all of it. Much, and perhaps most, yes, but not all. Some of them are honest and admit it's all about style: http://www.q-audio.com/ No. They are facts, backed up by more than a century of scientific theory and experiment. That a tiny subset of the human race cannot accept that doesn't change anything about the real world. Bla bla bla Would you be so kind answeringone simple questian , was this a joke or are you dead serious when you wrote this.? Quote: Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on a squeezebox in a nice case. Have fun with that! -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
Well to some this hoppy is about building the hifi equlant to a formular one car so the can listen to ther favorit music as uncompromized as possible. I beleive that therer are alot of crap hifi gear out there that are horrorbly overpriced that dont give me eny more amazement or joy over a favorit piece music then through a mobil phone. Some actually makes it worse Haveever building a system with carefully selected high kval components that have a synagi that works to enhacne the aspekts you love about your music Is to me what its all about. For me its fare from the truth beliving that hifi its not about sound kval but aperanece and convince. To me at least. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III VS Benchmark DAC1
ChiefVoodooMan;270096 Wrote: Oh my dear friends where is the science (let alone the romance of the music) in any of this. I would be willing to bet the farm that given a chance to a/b/c test the SB3 with No DAC = A, SB3 with DACx = B, SB3 with DACy = C that no person in a test group of normal human subjects ( not Hallucinating Crypto-Schizophrenic self proclaimed golden ear audiophiles) would ever to be able make a statistically significant choice between the 3 options. The industry is putting you on a path to endless dissatisfaction, a never ending wheel of upgrade hell, and financial ruin. The computerization / digitalization of music is something we must learn to live with and accept. But do not let the perfectly affordable and to a large extent stunningly satisfying SB3 be your gateway drug into the world of hardcore audio addiction. Sit back relax enjoy the wonder of the music and stop counting bits. Lets be honest with ourselves and admit there will never be a substitute for a live musical performance. So try to get out once and awhile and enjoy a real musical experience, in a real place with real ambiance, with a real sound stage, with real living breathing people sharing that same wondrous experience. Then go home and enjoy the always to be imperfect reproduction of your music replay system - but please listen to the music not the gear. If you have some neurotic need to spend thousands of dollars trying to recreate the unattainable then perhaps you should reevaluate your life - think about the good that could be accomplished with that money - give to your favourite charity or community organization - open your ears, eyes, and more importantly open your hearts!!! CVM The only reason why i fell in love with this crazed hoppy of building a perfect hifi system and useing countless of houres and money in the persuit, is because there really is no limit for have good somthing it can sound. I truly beleive that you can better the real thing. Unless ofcause you listen purly to live recordings . Yes thats right the system i have right now sounds better then have the same artist sound live. I love live music but my system sounds better , i was reasonly at a Cure concert and yes it was a great experince but i get even more goosspots when i hear Just Like Heaven on my owen system and thast what its all about ( for me at least) only a live violin concert sounds better. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34436 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Andrew B.;264589 Wrote: You apparently fail to understand that the two greatest influences on a hifi system with a competent digital source that costs anything more than a few hundred pounds are: (1) the speakers and (2) the room. It's pointless to make a comparison like this unless those elements of the test system are at least fairly close to your home setup. This is why I almost always upgrade my hifi by buying equipment (second hand or at keen new prices), using it in my home for a few weeks alongside the old kit and then selling the item that I rate as worse. It's also pointless to spend DS kind of money on a digital source until you have at least spent $20k on speakers and some time and effort in sorting out your room acoustics. You will get a far bigger bang for your buck at that end of the system. THIS is why my speakers cost 6 times as much as my digital source (Squeezebox and Benchmark DAC1). Andrew Hi andrew i completly agree with you i may have missed making it clear that my comments was only my oppinon of it in that system. However the also compared it to the akurate cd and the difference where very clear. I have the full Linn klimax systems with klimax solo amps and klimax kontrol, thast 40 k alone. My source is still the sb3 with a linare ps i have spend huge amounth of time demoing speakeers using my own amps and when i heard the Sonus faber cremonas i simply couldent resist the sound. I liked them better then the amati and the stradivari. The cremona is under 10.000 usd but are priced way to low for what it dos. It uses all mundorf supreme crossover components and scanspeak revelator speakers drivers that are at least as good as the stradivari units if not better , franco serblin (the sonus faber designer) dont have a clue have to make money he uses the best components that are avileble at the given time and spens as much time as it takes making the speakers really sing with the cremona it was 3 years. but the sonus faber marketing people intetded to put it in there midrange priced sonus faber line thats why i was given a cheaper look. I love em and the are keepers regardless of what the cost the sound better to me then enything elase i have heard . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
alekz;264618 Wrote: I thought you had a Maui-modded Transporter This is not the rule. Do you think that those who bought a Transporter must have $12K speakers? What about my Martin Logan Ascents? Do they not qualify? Even ML Prodigies cost $6K! This brings us back to the same old question. What sounds better: lesser speakers with a greater source or greater speakers with a lesser source. IMHO, crap in - crap out. I sold it not that i diddent like it but personaly prefere linn sources. Regading speakers this is one area where higer cost dont alwasy equal better sound. As stated above to my ears the SF Cremona was a more complete speaker then both the 26 k amatiand the 40 k stradivari. And im not the only one that thinks so. Look at the wilson watt puppy , the cremona has more expensiv drivers crossover parts and much better kvality and finished wood cabinet. And regarding sound the cremona was just better then the wp to my ears . the cremona also absolutly godsmacked the linn speakers i heard it was only the active akurates that would give them trouble but the cremonas where smoother and alot more comunicating. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Its actually a good learning lesson if you try putting your systems out in the open a sunny day and here what it can do. Never did it with my current system but tryed it 6 years ago with a more modest system when we where having a garden partyand it sounded spectacular. That would be in the extrem akustik treatment category -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 VS the Transporter
Phil Leigh;264791 Wrote: Could you expand further? Just somebody who actually compared 2 squeesboxes one modded and one stock head to head. I beleive the bolder squeesbox was rewarded the anaual year award by the same magasin. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42840 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 VS the Transporter
Looks like somone have a different oppinion http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0206/midmonth/bolder_modified_slimdevices_squeezebox.htm -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42840 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264875 Wrote: Interesting that you mention the Zanden test in Stereophile, any $100 CD player measures way way better than the Zanden, but the Zanden sounds well doesn't it? or is it only within Stereophile boundaries that it sounds well? I don't know hat's wrong or wright, but I definitely wouldn't trust any reviewers thoughts about a $40.000 player that measures worse than my $50 Toshiba DVD player... -H I generaly thing that people are to caugt up in measurments, zanden is a higely regarded company with well designed products . The irony is that there seems to be no absolut link between measurments and what sound best to the human ear. Why is that ? I think that its because the human ear and brain are much more complicated tool then what some jitter and noise specs will show. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here was answerd. First of the klimax DS is ment like the Sondek LP12 player was back when it was launced. Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . The linn people where very clear about this, and expressed strongly that if you buy one it will never be dated. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 The klimax casing really needes to be seen to be apriciated in my oppinion its impossible to improve apone. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here was answerd. First of the klimax DS is ment like the Sondek LP12 player was back when it was launced. Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . The linn people where very clear about this, and expressed strongly that if you buy one it will never be dated. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 The klimax casing really needes to be seen (and felt)to be apriciated , in my oppinion its impossible to improve apone. The system was unfamiliare to me so its hard to describe have it really sounded. But the sound had that special kvality the sondek lp12 SE with the current full specs have, where it seems to pull out so much more detajls in the lower bass regions then what im used to herer from other systems. Bass lines starts stops goes up goes down , wherer other playes just playes . The sound was also completly free of grain noise and and colour. I know it sounds old but it truly sounded like real music, All music also sounded completly different , and extremly musical. The studiomater files sounded amazing also but im not into irish music so i will not comment on that. When i got home and tried to listen to the same recordings whole notes seems to be missing in the bass regioons. The klimax DS is a Wow player and somthing that causes me to forever to spind around its axis. I think linn wanted to make the ultimat no bs digital source with this one. No digital output, no digital in ,no word clock no big neon sigend display , no nothing Only2 analog outputs. A bit like a race car . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Robin Bowes;264249 Wrote: harmonic wrote: [the usual I'm a Linn fan-boy stuff] *yawn*. R. Yes absolutly and il say proudly; ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Muggy;264243 Wrote: ..or just buy the latest squeezebox each year for over 60 years and still spend less! That would make sence if it wasssent for the fact that the squeesbox is a cheap plastik gadged that happen to sound okay. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Muggy;264273 Wrote: You made the initial comparison. Justifying a $2 piece of kit because it is upgradeable against a $300 lower-end competitor is absurd. What ? i did no such thing , you did. Why would you buy a Mclaren mercedes when you can get from a/b in a fiat punto? sure you can buy 65 sb3`s for the price of the klimax ds but to me it dossent sound as good . Then ad there is the design and overall kvality to the design. The only thing that matters i think is ,are the extra amounth of money the klimax ds cost compared to the sb3worth the extra price ? Most will say no including me. But that dossent change the fact that it sounded completly mesamizing and i would love to owen it. Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote: harmonic wrote: I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . I've got a PC that I use as a firewall. Its front says Never obsolete, upgrade forever. Its a P2-433 with maybe 256mb of ram. It stopped being upgradable when the Pentium 3 line came out. Its disks drives are 7 years old and you can't buy any that small, and very few modern (cheap reliable) drives use those connectors. My Rabco ST8 turntable was upgrade able to newer cartridges, but it was not upgradable to play CDs. My Dynaco ST120 amp was upgraded to a Sony receiver. The Sony receiver was upgraded to a Classe integrated amp. Plus, I got new faceplates that matched the decore. IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek lp12 Se ? The klimax chasing is the only thing that will not change. Upgrades will be factory upgrades and will only acure when a significaly improvment have been made. The linn klimax solos amplifires are unchanged since 1999. The linn klimax twin was upgraded in 2005 with a new amplifire designe the called chakra. But please express why you beleive that ALL audio upgrades are snake oil ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Robin Bowes;264297 Wrote: harmonic wrote: Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, So, are these upgrades free? If not, then what's the difference between upgrading and buying again (either a later version of the same product from the same manufacturer, or a different product from the same or different manufacturer) ?? R. BTW, your car analogy sucked. No the are not free But the are priced muh lower then if you where to sell it and buy a new unit, in that light i still think that it is a more customer friendly way of doing it. You can also trade in your old units when somthing completly new comes like the new Ds sources , and you get a pertty good price on the new unit, and in many cases more then what its worth secondhand. But again in the klimax series case the upgrades a much much more cheaper way then buying and selling every second year. I had a tact millinium wich where a mk3 version then the made a mk4 version but the upgrade where no more aveileble for the ones that had paid 12 k for the org one. That made the prices of the org millinium plummit and i lost alot of good money and never bourgt enything from them again. All in all i think linns way of doing it have made them alot of happy customers , so it must work since there are so many happy linn devoters -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Pat Farrell;264327 Wrote: harmonic wrote: Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote: IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek lp12 Se ? No, I was not talking about turntables. I was talking about electronics I would expect that a new, timewarp 1973 turntable would sound better than a 1973 turntable in 2007, since mechanical things get worse over time. Meridian sells upgrade modules to their controllers. Its hard to tell how much the upgrade ability adds to the cost, even if you never use it. The klimax chasing is the only thing that will not change. Upgrades will be factory upgrades and will only acure when a significaly improvment have been made. The linn klimax solos amplifires are unchanged since 1999. The linn klimax twin was upgraded in 2005 with a new amplifire designe the called chakra. We used to talk about upgrading cars that way. Some cars you could improve easily. Others you needed to 'jack up the radiator cap' and replace everything underneath. If you took my 1999 vintage firewall and replaced the motherboard, CPU and disk drives, is that an upgrade? or just an expensive and labor intensive way to get a new modern machine? -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ I dont understand your old computer metafor, your are completly overlooking the key contence of my posts. As stated many times by now , its ONLY the klimax chasing that will stay. Have long do you thing a solid aluminium chasing like the klimax ds will need before it deriates , 100.000.000 years ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Oh no pleace dont hurt me : ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
opaqueice;264354 Wrote: Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on a squeezebox in a nice case. Have fun with that! Hell no its to expensiv ; ) But the akurate DS maybe -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264411 Wrote: B.T.W. The DS is obviously so nice and flexible and future proof And of course, as previously stated, the DS may be used with anything in the world.. How do you go on utilizing it if you've got a Basic Lyngdorf TDAI 2000 or a Tact Millennium, that only got digital inputs? Any reasonable player in the world above $200 has got provisions for such a connection. (Or at least should have) -H Well issent that quit obvious. Why on earth would you pay 20 k for a analog source and then use only the transport mecanisem wich can be bourgt for 50 usd? I know many people use better dacs with the cheap squeesbox in persuit of better sound but as i see it thats the wrong way. Better have it all in one box where all the data and analog conversions are syncronised. The klimax ds is ment as a uncompromised product where cost and development time was unlimited. You can not better that with outside componets that then have to syncroniced with the DS making the system more sensitiv to jitter , noise and timing distorsions . to better the units sound is what i stated about the future upgrades ,improve the design itself inside the unit. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More There There!
Enyone that spends there time posting and reading on hifi forums are more or less infected with audiophila. Some beleive in cables,mods,tweaks,or Linn and some only beleive in adam slim and that enything else is a wast of time. But all still audiophils none the less. The irony is many on this forum uses the word audiophil as a bad thing. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!
alekz;254927 Wrote: rant Have they produced anything worth listening apart from the Burn-In track? The recording quality is good but what is recorded is awful. The funny thing is the Stereophile article is featuring Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances played by Eiji Oue. Easily the most disgusting interpretation I've even heard... /rant I 100% totally agree. Somthing i have never understood is the whole concept of buying music just because the sound is great. Just about the most musicaly depressing thing ever is the demos where the play only the usaly riduculasly audiophil recordings. That is the kind of stuff that Really give audiophils a bad reputation. As a musician it makes me sick. But i ges to each his owen Havever the day when all my favorit music becomes aveileble as high resolution data direct from the master il be the first one to buy. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41824 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
seanadams;254316 Wrote: well, that's jolly good for you. The point is, it is objective, falsifiable information, and its the same suite of tests that are done to similar products. Tell us again how its biased? You are correct that thy don't do wholly negative reviews. That's because there are not a lot of people who are interested in reading them. They just pass on those products. But I suppose you prefer the kind of reviews that tell you which speaker wires are the most danceable? Never heard big diffenreces with cables, wich i have pointed out many times, I use the cheap black linn cables. I find cable reviews to be just about the most stupendios thing in this hoppy. Some reviewers like ken kessler refuses to review cables. Infact if you had taken the time reading all i wrote you will find your answers and what my beleivs are. But il say it again I dont reley on reading reviews, the never make sence. Halcro amps also have fantastic measurements but i find the extremly thin and borrring sounding. Should i by them only becaues the had great measurments ? Sterophil is one of the very few magazins that use measurments in there reviews yes. Most magazins dont because there are so many things we simply dont undersatnd have to measure. Sonus faber spekaers measures horrible but the some of the best sounding speakers ever created many beleive including me AND the reviewers. Do you think that the review is the measurment , with some comments ? , Stereophil have it as a xtra and its clear that its not the most impornat aspekt of the review. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
Kurt;254335 Wrote: Is it possible you forgot to do the minimum 23 year break-in period for the cables? Naa the had been in a audiocharm cable cooker for a weeks time before i got them. The where suppose to be the cream of the crop bla bla better then nordost walhallas. The where vertex aq cables wich my lyngdorf dealer recordmented But i prefered the sound of my cheap homemade cobber cables and some poor fool bourgt all the expensiv ones long ago. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
riffer;254327 Wrote: So you are criticizing a magazine that provides OBJECTIVE measurements because you where foolish enough to rely on SUBJECTIVE reviews and bought into some snake oil? (no pun intended :) Shunyata also has amazing measurments and the tact/lyngdorf amps are even better , the have noise specs lower the most amps out there that was one of the key things i loved about there reviews. Just like the transporter amazing measurmeents , decent sound that seems boost better sells , then amazing sound bad measurments. Typical american marketing. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
riffer;254139 Wrote: Also, here are the Squeezebox Measurements: http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/906slim/index3.html Considering its low price and the fact that it uses a minuscule wall-wart power supply, the Squeezebox measures very well. Its noise floor is higher than that of good CD players, but the excellent jitter rejection came as a welcome surprise Manufactors and review magazins like stereophil always work together dont ever beleive that the reviewers are purly none biased , its the old if you scratch my back i scratch yours thing. Some independet internet sites review things with a open mind and somthims its not very pretty. Herer in demark the sb3 was review , the said it wassent better then a similar prices dvd player. Not that i beleive them but the point is dont beleive in what you read use , your ears . Have many bad reviews have sterophil ever done ? Or the stereotimes reviewers that strangly always end up with having the component the review in there system. On of the most expensiv learnings in this crazed hoppy was that never ever buy somthing based apone the review. Somtime back i sold on of my Lyngdorf amps to a person that explained to me that he ones read the stereotimes review of the the same amp, and decided back then that based apone he fell in love with the review he would someday try owening one. Its was clear that he was buying the dream and review not the amp becaue he had never heard it nor was interresting very much in have it sounded. The reviews have huge impact on the marked, what would happen if sterophil had said the transporte is a horrible analytical unbareble sounding, neon sign ameerican piece of worthless junk ? Slim would have sold 80 % less or worse closed down. Not that its what the think, but the alwasy try finding what the product have going for it and yes slim product measure very good by some standard i personaly couldent care less about. But many people will actually enjoy there system more and be more entusiastik about it if the can justifi it with somthing like it had amazing measurments in stereophil. The all sounds the same its all in your mind skeptics considder this a shortsigted victory. Thats also proberly why it pisses people of in a slim forum where most people allready are mass hypnoticed byt the Bit perfect, great review in stereophil cursewhen it got a bad review or somone says it sounds to analytical. When i started out i did the exact same thing i analysed the marked and placed my money where the reviews sounded best. What i ended up with was 4 shunyata anaconda cables, costing 2k each, a shunyata hyndra 8 costing 2500, usd 2 lyngdorf 2200 amps one with roomperfect a lyngsord cd.1, pair w210 corner subs gamut l3 speakers and 10.000 worth of cables. What i ended up with was a horrible analytical bright sound i couldent stand listing to. I ironicly what started this hoppy was sonus faber speakers with a linn amp and linn source, stupendiously i dident buy that , i bougt what had a review i loved most. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
bigfool1956;254203 Wrote: Was that my review of the Shunyatas then? If you're thinking of selling them, I could do with adding an extra Hydra and upgrading to Anacondas. Oh, and yes I do have the Shunyatas I reviewed, and they cost me plenty. Maybe , i was not pleased with the sound of my tact/lyngdorf rig and based apone what read the shunyata gear would cure this. But it did not ,maybe a littel more sizzel whn using the hydra only one the source but it wassent night and day. But the dynamics suffered greatly whan using anacondas on the amps. First lesson learnd . In denmark we simply have much higer standards of the powergrid then what i have seen in usa and we really dont need powerconditioning. And now that i have linn gear , that all use swicmode power and is completly imune to grid noise so its is pointless. I sold it all 3 years ago . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
And besides all of that... they were talking about MEASUREMENTS. You can verify them yourself![/QUOTE Wrote: As I have stated before , i personaly couldent care less others may. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
seanadams;254206 Wrote: Hmm, well, right off the top of my head, they gave our competitor very poor marks for sound quality: http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/507roku/index1.html Is that a relevant example? Also, Roku had advertised in Stereophile, whereas we never had ,and never did for a long time... not until after we were acquired by Logitech. Can you explain that? And besides all of that... they were talking about MEASUREMENTS. You can verify them yourself! Thansk for pointing it out to us this is exacty what i mean , its still not a bad review . The still tie it together so the people will buy it. Conclusions The Roku SoundBridge M1001's low price ($199.99), large display, and ability to play DRM-protected files are all positive factors for an inexpensive network music player. It is less expensive than the Sonos ZP80 system ($999), and betters Slim Devices' Squeezebox in that it can play DRM-wrapped files downloaded from Napster. Roku's manual and website discourage telephone support, so the user must rely on a frustrating web-based fill-in sheet to get tech support, which responds within 24 hours. However, I was left with some nagging concerns about this otherwise promising network music player. First, while I strongly preferred the SoundBridge's digital output fed to an external DAC over its analog outputs, which improved the dynamics and soundstage depth for orchestra music, I felt that the omnipresent low-level noise lent subtle colorations to vocal recordings. Second, running the SoundBridge with Windows Media Connect 2.0 required too much maintenance from me. Not only did I have to kick-start the music server by moving all of my music files out of, and then back into, my music subdirectory, but WMC 2.0 intermittently slowed and stopped until after I'd shut down all other software running in the background on my laptop. Finally, I couldn't persuade the Windows XP firewall to make an exception for the SoundBridge, so the firewall had to be shut down as well before I could listen to music. Roku's SoundBridge M1001 will appeal to those who buy most of their recordings from online music stores#8212;such as Napster and Rhapsody#8212;that wrap their files in Microsoft DRM protection. With some caveats, I recommend the Roku SoundBridge M1001, using its digital outputs, as a cost-effective network music player for casual listening. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
)p(;253703 Wrote: Don't put the opinions like a fact. For example to my ears the Tact/Lyngdorf amps are the most accurate AND musical amps I ever heard. Peter Well this is and intirely different discusion , and remember i still owen the millennium mk3 in full moddified version wich is a kind a of special amp sounding very tube like. Some do not like musical sound or know what the word musical exactly means or feels. I have owened 3 different lyngdorf amps one with roomperfect i ones beleived the where musical becaue i thourgt the sounded pretty good , but ones i started listning to other amps i realized have much the distord the essence of the music , its like the music is being sliced and dized through a digital filter of some sort, lacking bandtwidth , imaged deepth and having very littel dynamic headroom, some music actually sounded distorded. And beleive me i have played around with them for years . 2 weeks ago I and a friend of mine was demoing the flagship speakers from zingali , he had his tact millennium mk3 with him wich he liked the sound of, he is very thick headed with this amp , and do not beleive in mods or that there are eny better amps ou there. But the sound that came out of the zingali spekakers where bright , thin and having almost zero PRAT or bass dynamics . The sound where so analytical and digital sounding every one agreed and my friend where chocked. Then we heard the same speakers with a unison research integrated amp costing 3 times less ,and the millennium simply got godsmacked in every way, and my friend have now the tact amp up for sale and are buying the unison. The tact amps do have a kind of transperant sound wich i liked, The linn amps are just way more transperant but amazingly ,have so much more boogie to them , dynamics ,PRAT , and slam at the same time , and also have amazing imaged deepth. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
NewBuyer;253665 Wrote: harmonic I'm just wondering please, why are you posting this kind of stuff here? Well tom has a bug up his arese with me and he seems to follow me around using every kind of trick he can to atack or destroy what im trying to say. I think he gets a kick out of seeing have i react ; ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
morris_minor;253759 Wrote: I think trouble with hi-fi is that it's inanimate objects trying to achieve the impossible: the recreation of live music. If you accept this - then every piece of kit ultimately fails. We just have different tolerances to the manner of these failures, and accept limitations based on our own perceptions (and budgets). There is no holy grail in audio, but the paths aiming for it just go different ways. And that's what makes it interesting IMO! I do not beleive in that live music is the ultimat goal. Live music many times dont sound that good, if you studi it. Also most people do not listen to live music all the time the listen to studio recordings . I beleive that with carefull setup and a well matched system you can have a more intense emotianl experince with a piece of music then you can with it live, its becaue of this i continue to beleive in hifi. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
)p(;253783 Wrote: I knew you had Tact amps and although I disagree with you I respect your opinion about them. What I am just trying to say is they way your put your opinions as facts can put other people off. That's all. peter I undertand you fully , one thing i have learn above all is dont trust enyone about sound trust only your own ears. It was not intended sounding like i had the all mighty truth. The are so many factors in play here , system synagi , sound preferences, the room , the mood and so on. I was expressing my findings , and i personaly know audio buddies that have droped the tact gear long ago and reasonly becaue of the same things as i did. Tact/lyngdorf is a danish company and many people here in denmark have had it at one time. The red line is that some find it horrible analytical and grey sounding. Som do not herer it that way the here sound that sounds very real , im inbetween those to. The sound dos sound very real and after the mod it is scary real haveever , the still dont boogie or throw the deep soundstage i like. But thats just me. And again i also know people that love there sound. Nothing is really right or wrong. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
morris_minor;253772 Wrote: Perhaps it's the way you say it? I'm guessing English may not be your first language . . . ? No im danish. I understand that langurad can be the barrier, its hard somtimes understand irony in a different languard. If some of my comment come out sounding to arrognat ,it was not intented. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
tomjtx;253885 Wrote: Try going to the symphony in a good hall and solo classical concerts and chamber music. No system can come even close to that. I agree so why try and duplicate it. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
tomjtx;253885 Wrote: Try going to the symphony in a good hall and solo classical concerts and chamber music. No system can come even close to that. I agree so why try and duplicate it. If we really want to recreate the event we would have to have as many speakers as instruments and having oure living room in a concert hall filled with pwople. The best systems can recreate the emotion you feel at the a concert , and if we dont see the playback as limited to have it would sound live i truly beleive that we can better it. Sonus faber speakers are designed exactly with that in mind, the are not the most transperant nor do the recreate the soundstage as good as many other havever the are the most emotinal satisfing speakers i have heard and love them for it. The real magic comes when you use somthing like the linn Klimax gear with them,that made me a beleiver. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
slimkid;253882 Wrote: Right on the money. Besides the term 'musical', I also don't understand the exact meaning of 'PRAT' and 'dynamic' when used in an audiophile context. So, would you, please, care to elaborate? May I suggest using well known musical examples to demonstrate, rather than using one word to describe other. And, just in case that the language barrier gets in the way, this is not meant to be cynical question, but very sincere one. People use those words in this forum, and I'd like to know what they exactly mean by them. thks. K Hi slimkid Thanks for the honesty. PRAT is short for pace.rythme and timeing . PRAT is what playing music is all about , those who play music knows exactly what im talking about. the better you do this the more musical it simply is. Linn and naim are the 2 companys that takes this most seriously and getting this right is there Primary goal above all. Linns lp12 is the goodfarther of prat . Naim`s house sound are offen described as Happy tune. Many times when people ask what is PRAT the are cofronted with the statment try listend to a naim system and yo will know. Linn its tunefull, or tunedem And example , mark knofler´s done with bonaparte through my linn unidisk its just impossible not tapping your foot , it boggies, and is just so well tunefull. With the sb3 you still here it but its much less pronounced, the transporter are much better in this regard. I also owen linn amps and beleive me the are really somthing to it. The are so transperant , but iroinicly there are a sence of joyness to the sound no matter have bad the recording is. Dynamics are have asystem can handel variations of level in the music. Live music is offen very dynamic. Linn klimax amps wich i have are known to have HUGE dynamic headroom,but also extremly fast do to there digita powersupplys what that means is that the big moments in the music are rendered with enormous impact and drive. But if the amps are not also fast many times the music will sound heavy or overpowered if you will. In my system getting this powerfull klimax amps have resulted in live music like dynamics. What i means in every day music listning is that when you put new music on you never know what is around the corner in the music. The opposit could be your car stereo , where every thing sound pretty much the same. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
Kurt;253931 Wrote: Apparently the Transporter is too accurate. Time to crank out the Pop, Click, and Hiss Generator I built when I got my first CD player in '83. ;-) Naa nothing wrong with being akurate . I dont thing that its so simple that what mesasures good sounds bad or what sounds good must measure akurate. If you line up all the different digital hifi sources on the marked to day it would be pretty damm long line. besides that , you will see that all manufactores new and old take a different path to the analog outputs. The big boys in digital sources DCS. Esoteric, Wadia, krell,linn and the hundreds others each use different teknologi. We are not just talking diffrent dacs, or powers suplys , transport systems but intirely different output stages,and desigens. all companys beleive that there way of doing it is the best or good enourgh Surly there must be more to the equation then what measures best equals best sound. What would you rather do buy what sound sbest or what you can tell others and youself by some kind of standard measures best ? In this buisness i have lost count have many times i have been over fused with tech talk by some wild hair greasy glasses type have this patucular excotic piece of audio is the best simply there is simply becaue of have it measured. Problem offen where that that where pretty much the only thing that was apealing about the product. The slim products are ground braking not becaue the are the absolot best sounding in the world but becaue of have nice the are as a tool for music playback. It really is almost to good to be true , no matter have great somthing sounds having it all at your finger tips is actually more important to most people i think. What i love about the linn filosofi is if it sounds better its better if not its not better. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
NewBuyer;254009 Wrote: I can honestly say that I can find no flaws in the Transporter sound. It has all the best qualities so eloquently described here, already. It is accurate, dynamic, clean, not edgy, it has a beautiful fluid presentation that reveals, separates, and integrates all the musical details without overpresenting any particular part over the others. To me it sounds, in a word, FANTASTIC. I can't imagine how anyone could feel otherwise. It easily outperforms all other transport/dac etc pieces I've auditioned, and is also of course light years better in terms of functionality. There are a couple of annoying (but minor) technical issues I've noticed, but they are small and apparently being worked on for fixes. This Transporter produces some seriously fine sound. Absolutly its amazing machine espicialy for the money. Rmember im comparing it to more then twice as much dollar components that basicly have been refinent for decads by the Gods of sources(linn) . And besides the prat and tunedem thing the tp through the xlrs its up there with the best. This is just my oppinions and findings , please dont take them as more then that. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
The transporter was reviewed in a norwigen magazin a couple of months back, and the compared it to the rega saturn. Basicly the where pretty close but the saturn was simply more envolving and there for the liked it best. I have had the transporter while its very good it where also very analytical and found myself getting having hard time connecting to the music. I would personaly go with the sb3 and a good dac ' the Transporters is slims very first atempt on a higend player , -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
seanadams;253534 Wrote: What exactly does it mean for something to sound analytical? What would you like Transporter do that would make it sound less analytical to you? Analytical sound means that the sound fouses on the detaljs so it becomes harder to focus on the music itself. Try listen to a linn source and you will know better what i mean. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
seanadams;253534 Wrote: What exactly does it mean for something to sound analytical? What would you like Transporter do that would make it sound less analytical to you? Analytical sound means that the sound is fouses in the detaljs so it becomes harder to focus on the music itself. Try listen to a linn source and you will know better what i mean. The fenomonen is very commen in hifi and to some desireble , its mostly commen in speaker designs , but amps like the digital tact/lyngdorf amps suffer from the same thing. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter or SB question
tomjtx;253589 Wrote: That kind of rudeness is uncalled for, harmonic, and doesn't reflect well on you. Please try to be civil. No offense , i never seem to understand the way some comnuicate in here and pick right up on it. but one advice if you scream loundly into the woods it will shout back. peace -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41469 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
NewBuyer;251721 Wrote: What is the retail price of that Linn Unidisk? How did you rip your music files (what program, etc), and what format? The unidisk sc is a cd multi player , and preamp, i think it cost around 5000 usd. Its not like the transporter it still uses its cd drive as transport . The trick is to use the sb3 as transport into the digital input here it sounds almost as good as with cds, thats what im doing at the moment. Linn have just launched a akurate DS player wich also is a memory player but it dossnet have the same functions as the transporter and its twice as much. I have no idea have it sounds only that its much much better then the unidisk sc. Soon more cheaper sources will come from linn that streams music from the hardisk. Linn is adapting this tech throuh out therer product lines, and there studios and recordt company will also. Infact linn started this hardisk based audio several years ago long before the sbin there kivor system , through the years the have perfeccted and refinent it. And now we get the fruits -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
NewBuyer;251721 Wrote: What is the retail price of that Linn Unidisk? How did you rip your music files (what program, etc), and what format? For the test we used waw files,we also compared appel looslees aiff and heard no audioble difference between the formats. We used a appel powermac and ethernet connection and ripped with appel itunes (not the same as pc itunes). Every thing was setup perfectly The unidisk sc is a cd multi player , and preamp, i think it cost around 5000 usd. Its not like the transporter it still uses its cd drive as transport , both the unidisk can play all cds, movies and can also work as a suround preamp The trick is to use the sb3 as transport into the digital input here it sounds almost as good as with cds, thats what im doing at the moment. Linn have just launched a akurate DS player wich also is a memory player but it dossnet have the same functions as the transporter and its twice as much. I have no idea have it sounds only that its much much better then the unidisk sc. Soon more cheaper sources will come from linn that streams music from the hardisk. Linn is adapting this tech throuh out therer product lines, and there studios and recordt company will also. Infact linn started this hardisk based audio several years ago long before the sbin there kivor system , through the years the have perfeccted and refinent it. And now we get the fruits -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
darrenyeats;251617 Wrote: I have one foot firmly in the blind testing camp and one in the open-minded camp. I think sources can sound different. However, I believe the better sources sound rather similar and to make unbiased judgements on the subtle differences between them (are they just different to me, or do I prefer one to another and if so which one, or was I just imagining the difference) requires blind listening. This is because the real differences are so subtle they can be trodden on easily by suggestion or expectation. Darren And you have comapared legions of top level digital sources in the same system ? With all do respekt dont think you know it all just becaue you find your sb3 sounding great, or base your knowledge on what some skepticks rave about in here. I have had varous fine digital sources and the differences are not subbel , not even in dbt that seems to comfuse many peoples mind. What i have found to be the best way to evaluate a surthen component or a complete system is to use well knowen cds then skip to you find where the spicial moment in the music comes , and its exactly herer i find BIG differences between sources. An those big differences are basicly make or beake. Some pieces of music will sound very close to idendical . I have for a long time found the transporters analog outs not satisfing , some special music diddent sound right or just a littel borring. So me and a frind did a tes with his unidisk sc through a linn klimax kontrol preamp. An example Didos melankolic track stoned from the album life for rent in a blind test with level match , between the Linn unidisk sc and Transporter , it starts out sounding almost idendical i have to really listen hard to here a variation, but then the chorus comes , wich is a very dynamic and moving piece that have a amazing synth in the back ground ,on the transporter this sound very borring lacking imaged deepth impact it was actually very disapointing and have botheredme ever since i got te transporter , because the music really builds up to this peak but then nothing really happens. Schifting over to the unidisk is like listning to a completly nother piece of music the unidisk sound VERY dynamic emotive and spreads out a very deep soundstage where the beautiful synth is very clear and satisfing. Now if i diddnt had used the chorus as reference point i would be saying the both sound pretty much the same. I ges if you are the usaly hifi type that basicly only uses music to test the gear you will not know what im talking about but if you listens to music because it makes you feel a surthen way i strongly recorment using my method. Or use the linn tune dem method , dont just put some music on and flip the swich a couple of times . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
mofuv;251477 Wrote: The most important difference between the squeeze box and the transporter is that the transporter has a world clock input. So if you are using a high-end dac with an world clock output as master you have very low jitter. You can also connect both and maybe a separate upsampler to a sepate world clock and you will hear the best high end sound which is currently available, even better than with the best CD-transport if you have saved the CD's bit correct to HDD e.g with EAC. I am using the transporter with a scarlatti world clock as master, then a purcell updampler to DSD and a scarlatti dac connected to a Accuphase A-60. The sound is exceeds by far the one if I am playing CD's on my Linn Accurate CD player. Thats a very impressiv digital playback system you have there that system must must cost 4 times as much as the linn akurate cd player. No wonder it sounds better , but the real interresting thing is what is better to you ? more soundstage , more detajl? but what about musicality , what about PRAT . But i totally agree with you that the transporter as a adigital only transport is a aboslute higend component and even better then most other cd transports. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
darrenyeats;250989 Wrote: Personally I like the sound of accuracy. Low distortion and a flat frequency response sound good to me, although I admit many listeners find these create a flat, sterile sound. It appears you tend toward the latter opinion. All these impressions are equally valid because they're personal. Everyone has their own tastes. Harmonic, I'm happy to read your opinions about equipment, but I do so knowing our tastes differ. Darren We all have different tasts , hifi is like cigars and woman there really is no right or wrong. My linn amps do sound very accurate , the cremonas do not however with the to together i get that magic that makes all my lunatic efforts pay of. I beleive that system synagi is the most improtant aspekt in have to buil a system that really sing, many times more expensiv dont equal better sound, infact my cremonas where much more to my likeing then some of the more expensiv models from sf. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
Oh well then here it goes with the tune dem method the linn ikemi beat then transporter handely. (tune dem is basicly a method for mesasuring a system , what you do is simply listen for have well you can follow individuel notes in the playback the better you can do this the more musical it sounds. The transporter was more analytical and darker sounding to and much less PRAT. The ikemi is the entry level cd player from linn then there are the all the 3 different level unidisk`s the SC , the 2.1 , and on top the 1.1 then the is the new akurate DS (the sam as the klimax only much cheaper)and on top the Klimax ds. Go figure It do cost 9 times a s much as the transporter and the ikemi is also a littel more expensiv and dosssent have preamp and all the other great functions that the TP has. So all in all the transporter is still a god bargin but the real winner is still the sb3 because ironicly it sounds very close to the transporter IF you use it with a good linare PS. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
haunyack;250819 Wrote: Is this the stock TP or the super tube job? . Stock transporter. I have no experince with the modwright one you are refering to. I did have a modded one and it dos sound somwhat better but the tune dem tyhing is the same , but the real shortfall of the transporter is its analog design , dont think you can get past this no matter have much you mod it. I somtimes i wonder if the transporter was designd above all measure good !, sounding good is a nother thing. I remember the sony top of the linn Sony cd players , the had specs no one could compete with but the where also som of the most steril and analytical players you could buy. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
I full hartly agree. I was at a hifi show in copenghagen last month, when i walked into the Gamut Audio room my grilfriend that was with me out of no where said that sound horrible . The sound came from the new top of the lin gamut L9 speakers that weigh in at 115.000 usd. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
haunyack;250828 Wrote: huh? Do you believe there's correlation between the two according to your subjective response? . Yes i do, the both measure very good and both sound very analytical -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
redil;250559 Wrote: harmonic;250468 Wrote: SoftwireEngineer;250466 Wrote: Do you have an idea how the Klimax DS compared to the transport/SB3 stuff ? I have a friend that have have had both the transporter and sb3 in his linn system. He sold the transporter because his linn ikemi had better PRAT and where more musical. He keept the sb3 and used its digital outs into a unidisk sc wich is has excelent dacs and pre amp build in. The ikemi is under the unidisk sc wich is under the unidisk 2.1 and then is the akurate at the top. The last two are pure analog sources with no preamp. The new linn akurate DS harddisk player sounds ALOT better the the akurate but every one that have heard the klimax DS vs the akurate DS says that the klimax vs akurate is the biggest step up. Go figure I sold my transporter because the sb3 with a linare ps sounded almost the same as the transporter , but when i heard the unidisk sc with the sb3 feeding the data i realized that the analog section in the transporter sounds HIghly analytical and thin. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs Transporter via external DAC
SoftwireEngineer;250466 Wrote: Phil Leigh;250135 Wrote: sgmlaw;249843 Wrote: At the end of the day, we're all listening to the modulation of a chain of power supplies. I agree about the sub-par equipment in the recording part of the chain. But the issue is the overall effect is a multiplication of all elements each represented by a factor less than 1. So if there is sub-par equipment in the playback, it is going to matter too. I am saying this because I am trying to reduce jitter in my playback (I guess you are using an Altmann for this) and thinking about this made feel that the actual digital values in the CD itself may have jitter (i.e. samples are not evenly spaced per 1/44.1khz of a second). Maybe if we know what equipment it was and created a jitter opposite to that in the recording chain we will have perfect playback. Probably the analog addicts might really have a point. Jitter there is not of such frequency (variation in the speed of the LP cutter or turntable) that it does not change the character of the sound so much. In digital, we get a very fine veil/haze, which seems tougher and tougher to remove as it gets smaller and smaller. (Hmm..that gives me an idea..if the jitter of a playback device can be determined, say a soundcard, then maybe the card itself might be driven with opposite jitter - like equalization for freq. response. Is anybody ready to work on a patent with me ? :-)) I think linn`s way of doing it by using the orginal master track data directly into the playback is the way ahead. I where at a local demo where the compared the Linn klimax DS digital source with other sources , the klimax ds was amazing. However when the played studio master files over the DS i heard somthing i had never heard before or thourgt possible with digital. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41160 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] crackles and pops between tracks
Im all ears i have the same problem here and i use appel loosless also. The pops and cracles happens both when playing or when stoped, and even when the transporter is in standby mod. I thourgt it was becaue i also have power issues in my house. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Remember there is actually such a thing as a system that dossnet sound dead and lifeless. There have been numorus of reports ouside this forum where people find then transporter sounding analytical, and steril. The transporter measure really good , sounding good is a nother matter. BW speakers many times also fall in to the thin and analytical side of things. This forum seems have created a red line of thourgt that goes somthing like this, if you dont like it its only in your mind , case sclosed. To the guy that said that he finds his system dead and life less , try borrowing a linn unidisk sc or a moddified sb3 and see what happens. And those Bw speakers is diffently not heping also. THis is my oppinion on the subject , pleas respect it -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
opaqueice;240792 Wrote: As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a number of red flags. If I were you I'd be grateful it's allowed to continue. Why dont you make your own threads where you can preach your fundamentalistisk views on the irelevance of the source, instead of jumping out like a trool out of a box every time a thread have just the tinyest think to do with progress and improvment. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
tomjtx;240232 Wrote: Some people might be unteachable. First you in a most arrogant way say that one is a fool , and then when that person gets upset you say we just dont have a sence of humor. Being arrogant and provocative is not humor thats being arrogant and provocative and that is what you are. Arrogant people make hell on earth. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;239871 Wrote: Sorry, I simply don't understand the point of your three posts. Maybe you are trying to say that the SB3, Transporter and SB+ sound the same, or should sound the same on theoretical ground. Have you tried those product? Could you give any background on your system? Forget him . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
