Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
The first, and possibly only, time I heard what could be understood as "true" quad sound was at an ELP concert. It was at a hockey arena, Maple Leaf Gardens, in Toronto, and we had cheap seats up in the grays. Turns out the ushers decided on some random basis that our particular seats were obstructed, and they put us on the "floor". There were speakers set up in the four corners of the rink, with some extra ones on the stage. In effect, we were inside the quad environment. It was very cool at the time, the coolness not being at all hindered by chemical alterations to the synapses. Although I owned some so-called quad vinyl, I never actually had the equipment to play it back properly. In theory it was "stereo compatible", although it always sounded kind of thin to me. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
MichaelJ wrote:
> Back in 1970 our quad setup consisted of a radio in each corner of the
> room listening to Casey Kasem's Top40.
> We applied judicious amounts of herbals to convince ourselves that we
> had achieved surround sound.
I remember the first time I heard stereophonic sound in the 1950s
("ping-pong stereo", with a real table tennis game!), which used a TV
tuned to the BBC for one channel and a radio tuned to the Third
Programme for the other.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Back in 1970 our quad setup consisted of a radio in each corner of the room listening to Casey Kasem's Top40. We applied judicious amounts of herbals to convince ourselves that we had achieved surround sound. MichaelJ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
MichaelJ wrote: > Hopefully their new vinyl will be quadraphonic with a brilliant new > analog MQA encoding. > An audiophool's wet dream. Hi Michael! I'm old enough to remember Virgin's SQ release of Tubular Bells which proclaimed that it was "for people with four ears"! At least they appreciated the irony :D Davex :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Golden Earring wrote: > Shock! Horror! > > Sony ceased vinyl production in 1989, so this is unexpected. > > I am anticipating an apoplectic reaction to this revelation... ;) > > Davex :cool: Hopefully their new vinyl will be quadraphonic with a brilliant new analog MQA encoding. An audiophool's wet dream. MichaelJ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Wombat wrote: > Aren't you in danger to get sued by apple when using the 'i' with > something similar, another fruit? I suggest a vegetable like 'i'broccoli > ;) Hi Wombat! I really think that my poor Brokklyx has taken enough stick! Recalling the old definition of expert to be ex as in "has been" & spurt as in "a drip of water", what about iPea? ;) Davex :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Aren't you in danger to get sued by apple when using the 'i' with something similar, another fruit? I suggest a vegetable like 'i'broccoli ;) Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Shock! Horror! Sony ceased vinyl production in 1989, so this is unexpected. I am anticipating an apoplectic reaction to this revelation... ;) Davex :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > I remember when "X" was the letter you added to words to make them > cool... :D :D :D Davex :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I remember when "X" was the letter you added to words to make them cool... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I have now devised the "iGrape Award" for the sourest forum postings. It's not quite decided yet but there are some prominent contenders... ;) Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > Nice one Dave. Sounds like one for an episode of The Apprentice.. :) The hardest part was thinking of a fruit with a negative connotation - finally I got to "buying a lemon"... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > > . > > "Every system needs an iLemon" :D > > Dave :cool: > > P.S. I quite often wear the t-shirt! Nice one Dave. Sounds like one for an episode of The Apprentice.. :) Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > Personal insult escalation so quickly? I normally need at least five > messages to raise your blood pressure. You got up early to type this > rant. I think you are the only one confused about my position and my > observations. > > Long and short is that I'm not trying to "win" anything, it's really > only you doing that. > I've tried to discuss audio with some of the most subtle, polished, ignorant, abusive and truth-challenged golden ears around. My life has been threatened and there have been other forms of assault and harassment as well. Even my wife's gardening preferences have been attacked on an audio forum. I was accused repeatedly of abusing my late son's lifeless body. All in support of the kind of false beliefs that are espoused by some around here. I've pretty much seen it all. Who is attacking whom should become clear if your opening round of false accusations about my personal beliefs about audible differences is considered. A sincere person admits and apologizes for their errors. Seeing none of either... I suggest that you continue to deny your past misdeeds, as that strategy actually fools a few people who share your biases as our current U.S. President has put into practice nearly every time he speaks. ;-) arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > Apple are a bit special aren't they. Or they were. Perhaps they need to > find a new industry to innovate in? It seems their approach to the ones > they are currently in is becoming quite stale. When my #2 daughter finished her psychology degree, she announced her intention to pursue a career in marketing. I took her out to lunch for a "brain-storming" session, having attempted to convey the notion that marketing was an industry dedicated to identifying ways to make people want to buy things that they don't actually need... I wasn't sufficiently persuasive to put her off (although she has now seen the error of her ways & switched to teaching), but it was a good lunch & we had a number of original ideas & I was subsequently presented with a transparent cylinder of plastic lemons & a bright yellow t-shirt bearing the outline of a lemon & the caption "I just bought an iLemon" & below (in rather smaller typeface) "We're Crackers but you'll still buy it!". The "iLemon" concept was to sell people an actual lemon, which is of course self-powered (small internal potential), & will accept any kind of connector shoved into its rind, although it doesn't actually DO anything. And after a week or so it goes mouldy & you'd then need to buy another one! We figured that with the right marketing campaign & the appropriate dealer support (at a 30% margin), an asking price of £50 seemed attainable with the potential of a global market, using locally-sourced lemons... "Every system needs an iLemon" :D Dave :cool: P.S. I quite often wear the t-shirt! Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Personal insult escalation so quickly? I normally need at least five messages to raise your blood pressure. You got up early to type this rant. I think you are the only one confused about my position and my observations. Long and short is that I'm not trying to "win" anything, it's really only you doing that. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > This is barely luke warm, not heated. We are calm. Well, I am.. ;) > > You can fairly accuse me of giving an incomplete answer. No, I can fairly accuse you of obfuscation. The only question is whether it is intentional or not. Now "Dr Matt" you have further obfuscated by conflating the difficulty of supporting a simple little file compression utility with an entire media player or worse yet, a full fledged mainstream operating system. Here's some friendly advice. They are orders of magnitudes different. One is at best a part time position, one can take a small team, and one can demand the efforts of battalions of the best IT people that you can find. So it remains for the reader to figure out whether this happens because of abject ignorance related to the difference in complexity of simple little file compression utility with an entire media player or worse yet, a full fledged mainstream operating system; or a habitual liar who invents facts de jour in a vain attempt to win arguments on a internet forum and hides his malfeasance behind an alias. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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This is barely luke warm, not heated. We are calm. Well, I am.. ;) I realised of course that android, osX, numerous zillions of infrastructure devices the world over are Linux based and therefore open source based. And yet, my Linux based smart TV won't play Ogg Vorbis files. Why is that? They didn't have the codec expertise in-house, so they didn't want to touch it. But they know they have to support proprietary Microsoft, Sony, and apple formats so they pick up the phone and buy the expertise in; but no-one has the breadth of imagination to simply install the libs that come with the base OS for free to support to the freebies. Apple are a bit special aren't they. Or they were. Perhaps they need to find a new industry to innovate in, their approach to the ones they are in is becoming quite stale. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open > source with a bargepole. > Hi guys! It's all got a bit heated on this thread & I don't want to get involved in the vitriolic stuff. Nevertheless, it seems to me that Logitech's decision to ditch our beloved system was based at least in part on its inability to recover the ongoing development & maintenance costs of the open source "Logitech" (read "Slim Devices"!) Media Server software... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > I've usually observed that markets where there is a defacto generic > product tend towards less variety, so I don't know what's irrational > about that. Hipster kickstarters aside, most consumers wouldn't buy > anything but the defacto "good enough", and those that do explore > further would only really buy the one with the Apple logo.. I guess you are unaware of the fact that Apple is a minority provider in most if not all of the markets it serves, including cell phones. How long has it been since Apple released a major new product that commands a majority of its market? arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open > source with a bargepole. > Many of us already have evidence in their possession that the majority of businesses and individuals that use cell phones already use open source software. Consider that 100s of millions of people and 10s of millions of businesses use Android, which is software that will happily print out a little statement saying that it is based on open source Linux, if you ask it nicely. I call BS on your unfounded and meaningless claim. Again. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
pippin wrote: > MQA certification primarily means you pay a license fee and then you can > use the label. Yes agree , then we migth ask how inportant they think their own spec is . drmatt wrote: > Indeed. Presumably "mqa certification" just means "thou shalt implement > a bunch of filters like this; and switch to them according to the > instructions sent". The idea being, presumably, that mqa certified music > sources choose a suitable output filter according to the analogue-> > digital filtering types at the other end. > > Of course this is doomed to failure as there are probably tens of > different ADCs used for any given commercial recording. > > Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk Yes the Idea is probably a fail , but given that , wonder if the DAC's and softwares certified follows spec rigidly.. is there wiggle room in spec , as long as you paid for the sticker ?? Would be interesting to se more test of such DAC's . I've would not be surprised if they are different and further that some of settings do produce small audible differences . Some filter settings combined with some DAC and you hifi may produce undesired side effects . Due to sighted testing and the intellectual corruption gone several rounds in the industry , some "voodoo designers" may actually manage to bodge such a well understood thing as DAC and produce kit that do sound different , but not for any good reason.. It would be healthy if the magazines that do measurements could point a finger at clearly broken stuff instead of producing more smoke and mirrors and FUD usually trying to explain away the strange performance with some claims of unorthodox design principles and hidden unmeasurable variables that must exist due the excellent result in sighted testing ;) Happy to see Archimago do his measurements. It would however help tremendously if MQA themselfs produced a test signal suite and publish it officially so that anyone could test compliance in MQA branded products . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > You have evidence that the FLAC developers refused to sign contracts or > support their product for a reasonable fee? > > I doubt it. No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open source with a bargepole. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I doubt it. Markets where there is a defacto generic product tend towards less variety. Hipster kickstarters aside, most consumers wouldn't buy anything but the defacto "good enough", and those that do explore further would only really buy the one with the Apple logo.. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > But as you know companies will always prefer to use a format with a > contract and support rather than one without, where they may find > themselves with a bunch of support case and no expertise or will to fix > it. > You have evidence that the FLAC developers refused to sign contracts or support their product for a reasonable fee? I doubt it. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > Seriously, why do you have a problem with my nickname? Not only is it > completely and utterly irrelevant, it's actually not even untrue.. lol > I'm afraid that I'm a prisoner of your earlier obfuscation and apparently false claims on that topic. Given your history related to that topic, how do we know that you are telling the truth now? > > I'm aware that small high end hifi companies undoubtedly suffer from > enhanced pressure to turn a profit (they do not have the large company > buffer and all their jobs are on the line), but I don't believe there is > more than just a small element within each who might work to > *deliberately* pull the wool over people's eyes. > Morally, their position seems very weak. Their credibility as a supplier rests in their credibility and ability to properly create and characterize what they sell, but if their claims and products are easy to falsify using generally taught and accepted science, then where does that put them? > > I can see where you're coming from though. Even if we ignore your > particular view that everything sounds the same > You are claiming falsely and libeling me. I've never said and I would never say that everything sounds the same. If there is any question I hereby assert before God and Man on this twenty-sixth day of June 2017 that some audio gear sounds different and some does not. > > it is still obvious to all concerned that you really don't get a lot > more engineering when you pay a lot more money. > Not infrequently you get less engineering and less competent engineering for that extra expenditure. > > I have to say my choice of cool looking hifi would be a lot smaller if > everyone felt like you, however, Mr K, and I'm not sure I want that > either. > Again you are claiming falsely and irrationally. If people would quit spending so much time and money on an irrational quest for better sounding audio gear when none is possible, a greater proportion of the development and product costs could be spent on industrial design (appearance). arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > Given "Dr Matt" (a fraudulent nickname) Seriously, why do you have a problem with my nickname? Not only is it completely and utterly irrelevant, it's actually not even untrue.. lol I'm aware that small high end hifi companies undoubtedly suffer from enhanced pressure to turn a profit (they do not have the large company buffer and all their jobs are on the line), but I don't believe there is more than just a small element within each who might work to *deliberately* pull the wool over people's eyes. I can see where you're coming from though. Even if we ignore your particular view that everything sounds the same it is still obvious to all concerned that you really don't get a lot more engineering when you pay a lot more money. I have to say my choice of cool looking hifi would be a lot smaller if everyone felt like you, however, Mr K, and I'm not sure I want that either. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
But as you know companies will always prefer to use a format with a contract and support rather than one without, where they may find themselves with a bunch of support case and no expertise or will to fix it. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Wombat wrote: > For Meridian it may be the needed follow-up for MLP licensing. They had > to develop something new licensible so they create some magic around it > to get the income they are used to. AFAIK MLP was not appreciably better than FLAC which was as I recall in the public domain. It may have been attractive to media producers for exactly that reason, but technically it seems to have been a matter of charging for something that performed technically no better than what knowledgeable people were already using for free. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
For Meridian it may be the needed follow-up for MLP licensing. They had to develop something new licensible so they create some magic around it to get the income they are used to. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > I doubt it. 2008 was a long time ago, and nothing going on there yet... > > And really? Scamming the public? You really think they are sitting there > trying to think of something that they can sell knowing full well it > does nothing and cackling into their capes as they swoosh off to the > bank? > > Given "Dr Matt" (a fraudulent nickname) that I know that the truth about so-called high rez audio gores one or more of your oxen... ;-) A relevant factoid is that one or more AES conference papers leading up to the announcement of MQA were pretty well hooted off the AES forum web site. So they don't have to believe the truth, but they've been introduced to it up front and personal by peers. It is true that denial ain't just a river and Egypt and that denial is greatly enhanced when somebody else's truth truth gets in the way of your making a profit. However, take that too far and you're committing legal fraud, plain and simple. Ignorance does not confer immunity to the law. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
drmatt wrote: > I don't think the word "fraud" should be on anyone's lips. Misguided, > naive, weak minded, arguable, but let's not overstate things. I generally follow the principle "do not ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence". But frankly I don't think Bob Stuart is incompetent enough to actually believe this MQA hogwash - he does have a fairly illustrious engineering background, after all. So in this case, yes, I really do think what's going on is tantamount to fraud. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > After everything I've seen emerge about MQA, it's becoming increasingly > clear that it is a cynical attempt to extract more cash from punters > through FUD. > > The people who have built this system almost certainly know full well > that it's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. > And they also know that if you present the right kind of pseudo-science > to the right kind of audiophile and then get them to do a sighted > comparison, they will hear an improvement due to their expectations > based on the hoodwinkery they've been exposed to. > > This is just blatent, shameful scamming of the public. If they were in > the financial or pharmaceutical industry they'd probably be a in jail by > now. Not only is it an effort to extract more money, but it's also IMO yet another effort at DRM enforcement. Add to this e.g. the trend for disappearing 3.5mm jacks on smartphones, the current number one playback device for a whole generation of (admittedly non-audiophile) music "consumers" ... Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004; TMA Premium 905; TMA Premium 901; BK Monolith+ FF; HDI Dune Smart D1; Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Car: BananaPi LMS + Squeezeplayer on Android phone - Controller TBD ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > If they were in the financial or pharmaceutical industry they'd probably > be a in jail by now. I doubt it. 2008 was a long time ago, and nothing going on there yet... Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
After everything I've seen emerge about MQA, it's becoming increasingly clear that it is a cynical attempt to extract more cash from punters through FUD. The people who have built this system almost certainly know full well that it's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. And they also know that if you present the right kind of pseudo-science to the right kind of audiophile and then get them to do a sighted comparison, they will hear an improvement due to their expectations based on the hoodwinkery they've been exposed to. This is just blatent, shameful scamming of the public. If they were in the financial or pharmaceutical industry they'd probably be a in jail by now. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Mnyb wrote: > It's seems that mqa can be implemented differently ( which is strange > given what they say they ate doing ...) > So it can be intresting to see how diffrent DAC's switch filters and > varies other settings and implement the noise shaping dither etc ? Indeed. Presumably "mqa certification" just means "thou shalt implement a bunch of filters like this; and switch to them according to the instructions sent". The idea being, presumably, that mqa certified music sources choose a suitable output filter according to the analogue-> digital filtering types at the other end. Of course this is doomed to failure as there are probably tens of different ADCs used for any given commercial recording. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
It's seems that mqa can be implemented differently ( which is strange given what they say they ate doing ...) So it can be intresting to see how diffrent DAC's switch filters and varies other settings and implement the noise shaping dither etc ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > Just goes to show that you can't teach Placebophiles about audio. > > In general if you do proper listening comparisons among DACs, you can't > reliably hear the difference between a $7.95 DAC from eBay and the Mytec > or Benchmark products, as good as they are and as mediocre as the eBay > DAC is. > > These days even just technically mediocre is better than our ears can > tell. Our eyes, well that is a different matter. ;-) Hi Arny! Hope you're having a good weekend - I note that you're back to your irascible best. :eek: I've already got your take on DAC's loud & clear from your previous posts: my enquiry was directed to Archimego who has certainly spent a great deal of effort testing various DAC's, & may or may not take your hard line on this matter. Quite apart from purported audible differences, which objective tests would seem to show should be minimal or negative rather than positive, there are such areas as feature set, ergonomics and the performance of analogue stages to consider, so my enquiry is quite genuine. I am still hoping to receive a reply from Archimego who appears to have a friend whom you would label a "placebophile" - I hope that he has a thick skin like me, or else that he doesn't follow this forum... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Archimago! > > I agree entirely with your prophecy that MQA will be judged by > audiophile history to have been a "7 day wonder". > > However I note from one of your earlier blog posts that a friend of > yours has a Mytek Brooklyn DAC (which has hardware MQA capability & was > therefore of use for your initial investigations of MQA). I too have one > of these "Brokkly"s, to use Wombat's expression, which I was lucky > enough to acquire cheaply through an eBay auction - it's "ex-demo" but > as new & warrantied. > > I just wondered what your opinion of this DAC is. I didn't buy mine > because of the MQA capability but because it seemed reasonably flexible > with regard to higher resolution PCM & DSD streams, & also includes a > decent balanced headphone amplifier for my Sennheiser HD800S cans > together with an MC/MM phono preamp for my legacy LP12/Ittok/Koetsu > Rosewood Signature which I have been safeguarding through numerous > relocations since the 1980's. > > Have you run any of your excellent testing routines on the Brokkly? > > Dave :) Just goes to show that you can't teach Placebophiles about audio. In general if you do proper listening comparisons among DACs, you can't reliably hear the difference between a $7.95 DAC from eBay and the Mytec or Benchmark products, as good as they are and as mediocre as the eBay DAC is. These days even just technically mediocre is better than our ears can tell. Our eyes, well that is a different matter. ;-) arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > I don't know how much money Meridian/MQA/TIDAL/record industry want to > burn with pushing MQA to keep this going... I won't be surprised if by > this time next year, everyone will have moved on (including the aging > audiophile mainstream press writers, their shills, and their > "alternative facts"). Hi Archimago! I agree entirely with your prophecy that MQA will be judged by audiophile history to have been a "7 day wonder". However I note from one of your earlier blog posts that a friend of yours has a Mytek Brooklyn DAC (which has hardware MQA capability & was therefore of use for your initial investigations of MQA). I too have one of these "Brokkly"s, to use Wombat's expression, which I was lucky enough to acquire cheaply through an eBay auction - it's "ex-demo" but as new & warrantied. I just wondered what your opinion of this DAC is. I didn't buy mine because of the MQA capability but because it seemed reasonably flexible with regard to higher resolution PCM & DSD streams, & also includes a decent balanced headphone amplifier for my Sennheiser HD800S cans together with an MC/MM phono preamp for my legacy LP12/Ittok/Koetsu Rosewood Signature which I have been safeguarding through numerous relocations since the 1980's. Have you run any of your excellent testing routines on the Brokkly? Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Wombat wrote: > I picked some info here and there but your summary is the most complete > i did read. Well done! > Funny is how the aliased HF crap from 'unfold' 2 by some is > misinterpreted as original content because of BS using cloudy wordings. And that's an important observation about MQA, Wombat. I think the reason so many reasonable/rational audiophiles have been concerned about MQA is the nebulous way that it's being presented since late 2014. The strange burst of Q articles from Bob Stuart last year, the lack of A/B comparisons from the start. On the one hand, vague hints at "time domain" this and "origami" that. Combined with rather extreme superlatives about just how much better it is compared with everything else down to the micro/pico/nanoseconds... Replete with colorful graphs and impulse responses that on the surface might look enticing but is ultimately all about a sales job. Sure, who doesn't want it to be true? But there ways always that fishy smell and intellectual itch that seems "too good to be true". I don't know how much money Meridian/MQA/TIDAL/record industry want to burn with pushing MQA to keep this going... I won't be surprised if by this time next year, everyone will have moved on (including the aging audiophile mainstream press writers, their shills, and their "alternative facts"). Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Interesting reading. I can vouch for the Chord DACs sounding quite obviously special but don't have a meridian experience to talk about.. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Great job - as usual! "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
I picked some info here and there but your summary is the most complete i did read. Well done! Funny is how the aliased HF crap from 'unfold' 2 by some is misinterpreted as original content because of BS using cloudy wordings. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Here's a look at the MQA Rendering of the Dragonfly Black: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2017/06/measurements-audioquest-dragonfly-black_24.html I honestly don't see anything "good" here that argues for higher fidelity... Also good for HIRESAUDIO for not selling this kind of questionable "technology"! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Did you take the blue pill again? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Golden Earring wrote: > Since all our "realities" are a construct by our brains from a set of > tiny electrical impulses, it is entirely possible that we are all wrong > :cool: Or if we only exist as a computer simulation... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Julf wrote: > Ah, yes, or induce it chemically. :) > > With "CA", I was actually referring to a certain commercial web forum, > not the state, but that forum is a state of mind too... Since all our "realities" are a construct by our brains from a set of tiny electrical impulses, it is entirely possible that we are all wrong :cool: Dave (I think... ) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Golden Earring wrote: > I think anyone prepared to live in a major active earthquake zone (when > they could obviously afford to live elsewhere) needs a substantial > element of subjectivity in their psyche... > Ah, yes, or induce it chemically. :) With "CA", I was actually referring to a certain commercial web forum, not the state, but that forum is a state of mind too... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Julf wrote: > Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :) I think anyone prepared to live in a major active earthquake zone (when they could obviously afford to live elsewhere) needs a substantial element of subjectivity in their psyche... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
RonM wrote: > I suspect that the impacts of climate change will be the BIG THING over > the near future. > > As is probably well known, the current US President is a global warming denier, and is deconstructing our environmental regulatory infrastructure. One of his major properties which he visits often is Mira Largo Florida, which is so close to sea level... arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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RonM wrote: > Not sure about that. I think climate change is already having > substantial effects on many of us. We lose track of that because the > change element can be buried, from an immediate-experience point of > view, by being embedded in the general fabric of our daily life. > Extreme weather events have impacted many, and the number of these has > increased substantially as a function of climate change. More will > happen often. > > Short of a some sort of nuclear nastiness, or the imposition of a truly > fascist state, I suspect that the impacts of climate change will be the > BIG THING over the near future. > > R. To which I would add to the list of BIG THINGS to worry about in the near future: financial / stock market collapse Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > Yup. I don't know about the "good riddance" part. > > But IMO there are greater challenges coming -way- before global climate > change impacts most of our lives in very turbulent ways! Not sure about that. I think climate change is already having substantial effects on many of us. We lose track of that because the change element can be buried, from an immediate-experience point of view, by being embedded in the general fabric of our daily life. Extreme weather events have impacted many, and the number of these has increased substantially as a function of climate change. More will happen often. Short of a some sort of nuclear nastiness, or the imposition of a truly fascist state, I suspect that the impacts of climate change will be the BIG THING over the near future. R. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > Actually the Earth *does* have plenty of time to deal with it. It's the > human race that doesn't. > > If we stuff up the global climate enough to wipe out mankind (and > possibly take out some other innocent bystanding species with us), the > Earth will shrug its shoulders and recover. > And if it were sentient (which of course it isn't just in case anyone > thinks otherwise), it would probably think "good riddance". Yup. I don't know about the "good riddance" part. But IMO there are greater challenges coming -way- before global climate change impacts most of our lives in very turbulent ways! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
ralphpnj wrote: > ... however the earth doesn't have time to wait around for that moment > of truth to appear. Actually the Earth *does* have plenty of time to deal with it. It's the human race that doesn't. If we stuff up the global climate enough to wipe out mankind (and possibly take out some other innocent bystanding species with us), the Earth will shrug its shoulders and recover. And if it were sentient (which of course it isn't just in case anyone thinks otherwise), it would probably think "good riddance". Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > or many other spots. The slippery slope starts when people start > suspending disbelief. It takes hold when they spend money on it, and the > hook is usually irretrievably set once they brag about it. Nicely stated! And one should add: completely lost once they get paid to write about it. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :) or many other spots. The slippery slope starts when people start suspending disbelief. It takes hold when they spend money on it, and the hook is usually irretrievably set once they brag about it. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > > Now as for the comments expressed so far about politics and the > anti-science political party. I actually don't worry about it and > personally don't mind. Truth and change comes when there are challenges > placed before humanity. An anti-science position, so long as the regime > does not turn into some kind of fascist rule (which IMO it won't) > provides an opportunity to find reason. Otherwise if everyone agrees it > ends up being one of complacency... Did audiophilia become any more > rational, or did radical creationists weaken over the 8 years of Obama's > presidency? :-) > ... The whole reason behind sounding the climate change alarm is to try and mitigate the harmful effects of those changes before they become irreversible. Oh sure once the effects of climate change become undeniable to even the most diehard climate change denier "truth and change" will come however the earth doesn't have time to wait around for that moment of truth to appear. Denying science when it comes to audio is just not the same as denying science when it comes the health and well being of the human species. Julf wrote: > Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :) How true, how true. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > Many subjectivists are reasonable folks who I believe will acknowledge > the limitations of positions the "mainstream" audiophile writers take > and will appreciate when examples are shown to demonstrate the > fallacies. Whenever I start thinking that I just have a quick look over at CA... :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > Cor, using intellect without spite? Bring it on! Absolutely! No need to have "a -desire -to hurt, annoy, or offend someone". Some people will be hurt or upset no matter what anyone says but there's no -need -for arguments to go that direction. We don't need to hold a position where that is a desired outcome nor catalyze that. Like I said, I think the subjectivist position has been weakened substantially over the years. Many subjectivists are reasonable folks who I believe will acknowledge the limitations of positions the "mainstream" audiophile writers take and will appreciate when examples are shown to demonstrate the fallacies. Now as for the comments expressed so far about politics and the anti-science political party. I actually don't worry about it and personally don't mind. Truth and change comes when there are challenges placed before humanity. An anti-science position, so long as the regime does not turn into some kind of fascist rule (which IMO it won't) provides an opportunity to find reason. Otherwise if everyone agrees it ends up being one of complacency... Did audiophilia become any more rational, or did radical creationists weaken over the 8 years of Obama's presidency? :-) To get back on topic. Look at MQA now. They're digging the bottom of the barrel in introducing MQA CD's. As I expressed in my blog post this week, I see this as weakness. Their return on investment I suspect is looking rather poor with 1st quarter 2017 in the books. Who knows, maybe TIDAL had a small increase in sign-ups with the introduction of MQA in January; but I'd be surprised they're seeing the benefits in the bottom line. Let's see if they dare introduce another increase in fee for a "Master" audio streaming tier! Remember, MQA streaming does require 30% higher bandwidth and storage compared to FLAC lossless. Bit by bit, the "sacred cows" of subjective audiophilia can be exposed for what they are. With the power of the Internet at everyone's disposal, the traditional media is in decline and it's not hard to have a "rational audiophile" voice be heard these days. All in good time :-). Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Cor, using intellect without spite? Bring it on! -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Correction: > > In America in the year 2017 all science is now pseudo-science and one is > free to believe the science or not, depending on how the science may > effect one's bottom line. One of the wonderfull things about scientific results is that they are true even if you dont like them or believe in them . Heck even if no one believes in them or likes them :) Hence in the past before our brave new post-truth world leaders did carefully evaluate thier advisors words in matters they did not them-self grasped and accepted advice that was even against their belief system . The fact that folks in the most climate influencing country in the world denies the climate disaster is just psychology ? Living in denial is the word . If a truth has little value to you its easier to accept . If its emotionally disturbing and/or have greate impact on your lifestyle its a harder pill to swallow... Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > And even for bit depth and sample rates, it becomes a simplistic > pseudo-science application of numbers based on "bigger is better". Correction: In America in the year 2017 all science is now pseudo-science and one is free to believe the science or not, depending on how the science may effect one's bottom line. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Oh, and just after I posted that I saw the World Health Organization warning about measles making a comeback in the western world due to people not vaccinating their children... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > for audiophiles this means one can believe in measurements when it comes > to bit depth and sample rates (as in digital audio) but not when to > comes to harmonic distortion (as in tubes versus solid state). And even for bit depth and sample rates, it becomes a simplistic pseudo-science application of numbers based on "bigger is better". "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > Let's try to change that Ralph! Promote another "option", "path", > "school" to follow in the public Forums and Marketplaces... > > Men (usually) of distinction willing to submit to reason, objectivity, > and scientific techniques like ABX and blind testing to adjudicate > hardware fidelity. Able to use intellect to debate without spite. Able > to acknowledge opinion from fact. Willing to call out falsehoods in the > media and from Industry claims. Yet acknowledge the subjectivity of > esthetics whether it be in the music we enjoy, the creature comforts of > the hardware, the appearance of milled fasciae, and all sorts of other > "non-utilitarian" functions of the sound system in our homes and in our > possession because we can accept ultimately the joy of satisfaction in > whichever way this hobby achieves for each individual. > > This "path" has always been there all along of course despite the > "mainstream" subjective-based ridicule, ignorance, and heavy-handed > "banning" of such viewpoints. Times are changing for better or worse > (probably both). And I think in audiophileland, the "rational > audiophile" can significantly impact the hobby for the good. The > Internet is the tool for affecting the masses. > > I believe the path of the "subjectivist audiophile" is weak, ignorant, > and clearly rests on an unstable foundation based on nothing but -faith- > in false or grossly intellectually compromised idols and idiosyncratic > "high priests". > > That's my rallying cry for the "rational audiophile". > > :-) Nice missive however you seem to have forgotten that the anti-science political party here in the US now has complete control of the government and by extension the mood of the country and the people. So basically science is now like religion and one has the option of choosing whether or not to believe in science. Even worse is that one can even choose to believe in certain parts of science while rejecting other parts. So for audiophiles this means one can believe in measurements when it comes to bit depth and sample rates (as in digital audio) but not when to comes to harmonic distortion (as in tubes versus solid state). Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > I believe the path of the "subjectivist audiophile" is weak, ignorant, > and clearly rests on an unstable foundation based on nothing but -faith- > in false or grossly intellectually compromised idols and idiosyncratic > "high priests" I agree. Unfortunately that is a very popular path these days (not just in audio matters). Anti-intellectualism is doing all too well. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Ranks right up there with some other oxymorons like "military > intelligence" and "elevated subway" Let's try to change that Ralph! Promote another "option", "path", "school" to follow in the public Forums and Marketplaces... Men (usually) of distinction willing to submit to reason, objectivity, and scientific techniques like ABX and blind testing to adjudicate hardware fidelity. Able to use intellect to debate without spite. Able to acknowledge opinion from fact. Willing to call out falsehoods in the media and from Industry claims. Yet acknowledge the subjectivity of esthetics whether it be in the music we enjoy, the creature comforts of the hardware, the appearance of milled fasciae, and all sorts of other "non-utilitarian" functions of the sound system in our homes and in our possession because we can accept ultimately the joy of satisfaction in whichever way this hobby achieves for each individual. This "path" has always been there all along of course despite the "mainstream" subjective-based ridicule, ignorance, and heavy-handed "banning" of such viewpoints. Times are changing for better or worse (probably both). And I think in audiophileland, the "rational audiophile" can significantly impact the hobby for the good. The Internet is the tool for affecting the masses. I believe the path of the "subjectivist audiophile" is weak, ignorant, and clearly rests on an unstable foundation based on nothing but -faith- in false or grossly intellectually compromised idols and idiosyncratic "high priests". That's my rallying cry for the "rational audiophile". :-) Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > Nice. I like that - the -rational audiophile-. Ranks right up there with some other oxymorons like "military intelligence" and "elevated subway" Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ftlight wrote: > "Rational Audiophiles", perhaps? Nice. I like that - the -rational audiophile-. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > . > BTW: Speaking of the marginalizability of "high end" audio and the high > priests, did anyone else see the video feature of Herb Reichert? > http://www.stereophile.com/content/reviewer-video-profile-herb-reichert > > Geez. I don't think many people would post nasty comments due to respect > of human idiosyncrasies but just look at that... My wife would be > horrified if this guy was some kind of role model. I would be horrified > if my kids thought this was "cool". Notice there was barely room to > move. Notice too no shot of his listening room to give us an idea of the > size or whether reviews are done in a space that's reasonably treated > for acoustics! Wow so I finally got around to watching the video and all I can say is how do I get those 10 wasted minutes back? Another old guy living in the past with outdated audio equipment from his youth. It seems that anything related to digital audio, not to mention computer audio and streaming, has never been able to penetrate the "bunker's" defenses. Poor Herb just seems like a sad and lonely old man. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > Reading between the lines, I get the feeling that this is also JA's > neighborhood. My first reaction is that like most of the close in NYC > area, its a smelly $#!^ hole. I've spent enough time in NYC that my > brain filled in the sounds and smells that go with the pictures. So I'm > thinking who are you, Detroit-boy to cast stones? Fact is that the > population density around here is low enough that the place blows clear > due to the natural forces of nature. There are just too many sources of > pollution (IOW people) in the near-in NYC area for that to happen > there. Bed-Stuy is undergoing gentrification, as are many parts of Brooklyn, Manhattan now being completely unaffordable for most people. https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160510/bed-stuy/bed-stuy-ranks-no-7-citys-top-gentrifying-neighborhoods-report I suspect that Herb has a rent-controlled apartment, and it would be almost impossible for him to move to another place. I have a friend in Brooklyn in a similar situation, although he's in the rather nicer section of Brooklyn Heights. ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > I think all of us here recognize ourselves as "audiophiles" but we don't > need to be "high end" audiophiles as the magazines proclaim. I suspect > the "high end" is weak and we can promote a kind of "audiophilia" which > can accommodate the "love" of audio and the hardware, but dissociates > the claims of sound quality from price, belief in voodoo, and can speak > out against the unnecessary/detrimental like MQA. "Rational Audiophiles", perhaps? ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Archimago wrote: > > BTW: Speaking of the marginalizability of "high end" audio and the high > priests, did anyone else see the video feature of Herb Reichert? > http://www.stereophile.com/content/reviewer-video-profile-herb-reichert > Based on your comments Mr. A, I watched it. > > Geez. I don't think many people would post nasty comments due to respect > of human idiosyncrasies but just look at that... My wife would be > horrified if this guy was some kind of role model. I would be horrified > if my kids thought this was "cool". Notice there was barely room to > move. Notice too no shot of his listening room to give us an idea of the > size or whether reviews are done in a space that's reasonably treated > for acoustics! Reading between the lines, I get the feeling that this is also JA's neighborhood. My first reaction is that like most of the close in NYC area, its a smelly $#!^ hole. I've spent enough time in NYC that my brain filled in the sounds and smells that go with the pictures. So I'm thinking who are you, Detroit-boy to cast stones? Fact is that the population density around here is low enough that the place blows clear due to the natural forces of nature. There are just too many sources of pollution (IOW people) in the near-in NYC area for that to happen there. I agree with you. BTW compared to my experiences with some other well-known SP staff like Fremer, this guy is Mr. personality. His audio systems and his so-called audio lab appear to be artifacts of the 1970s. The brand names and model names have changed but the basic technology is pretty much the same. We both have Heathkit 'scopes, but mine is not in use and hasn't been used for decades. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I'm actually not worried about the proliferation of expensive goods. Financial disparity is getting worse in this world at least for now and there will always be the very rich who will go for price-no-object goods in that part of the market. Sure, many will purchase audio equipment as beautiful pieces of furniture, jewelry, and bragging rights. But what I believe we can achieve is to marginalize the truly ridiculous even further by shedding light on the nonsense of hundreds/thousand dollar cables, companies like Synergistic I suspect are in decline (notice the gradual decline of ads and website write-ups), reminding people of how technology (especially digital audio) actually works, and questioning the unwise proclamations of the high priests in ways that hopefully allow the silent majority watching from the sidelines to see their ridiculous stance. I think all of us here recognize ourselves as "audiophiles" but we don't need to be "high end" audiophiles as the magazines proclaim. I suspect the "high end" is weak and we can promote a kind of "audiophilia" which can accommodate the "love" of audio and the hardware, but dissociates the claims of sound quality from price, belief in voodoo, and can speak out against the unnecessary/detrimental like MQA. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > Audiophiles aren't going to use ABX tests, because so-called high end > audio operates much like religions: it requires faith over and above > rational analysis. Consider a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc who is > offered the chance to take a test that will prove beyond any doubt the > existence or otherwise of God. They're not going to take that test, > because it puts at risk their investment in a belief system. Audiophiles > who buy in to the snake oil ideas are in pretty much the same position. > > And of course they have a get out clause: the high priests of > audiophilia tell them that ABX tests are inherently flawed, so they have > a rational (to them) reason not to take them. You are absolutely right about that, especially as applied to true, dyed in the wool audiophiles. I still remember the first anti-ABX comment I ever heard back in the late 1970s. The guy (a high end dealer) said: I don't believe in ABX. I said nothing because he was obviously in an irrational frame of mind. Reason does nothing at such times. Up until then I had never thought that good generally accepted science was up for a test based on what someone wanted to believe. In time I learned that this was not uncommon. I'm thinking about those who have not yet made the leap of faith to become placebophiles. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Anyone considered that that the sq of an iPhone 6 is rather good, ability to drive certian headphones can be limited but not a bad source :) There is simply no piont getting a special portable player for most people even people who actually cares . Pono should have made a stationary device to , if they wanted to sell hardware rather than just files ? ( never understood the hardware offering , why not just a music store ? ) And some app for our popular mobile OS. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > Audiophiles aren't going to use ABX tests, because so-called high end > audio operates much like religions: it requires faith over and above > rational analysis. Consider a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc who is > offered the chance to take a test that will prove beyond any doubt the > existence or otherwise of God. They're not going to take that test, > because it puts at risk their investment in a belief system. Audiophiles > who buy in to the snake oil ideas are in pretty much the same position. > > And of course they have a get out clause: the high priests of > audiophilia tell them that ABX tests are inherently flawed, so they have > a rational (to them) reason not to take them. Nicely stated. Plus throw in some additional nonsense like "the reason why you can't a difference between a high bit rate mp3 and a flac file or between a CD quality flac file and high resolution flac file is that the playback system is not high end enough" and you've constructed an almost bullet proof belief system. I do see an interesting parallel between that of hi-rez audio versus CD quality audio and that of digital audio versus analog audio - in that in the early days of CDs I was always amazed when I played an LP only to find that it really sounded quite good, less convenient to be sure, but not all that terrible sounding. The same thing is probably happening now with CD quality or even well made mp3s, in that upon close listening they sound pretty darn good, so good in fact that the hi-rez version doesn't offer a clearly better sound. And without a clearly better sound to justify the high price one's money tends to stay in one's wallet. As for high priced earphones and headphones - the up side is that better sound quality is coming to much less expensive earphones and headphones. I heard plenty of great sounding headphones and even one set of amazing planar magnetic earphones at CanJam. For me the price point at which the differences in audio quality between headphones becomes smaller and smaller is around $1000. For example the difference between the $1,000 Focal Elear headphone versus their $4,000 Utopia headphone is more of build quality rather than audio quality. And the Elear headphone is quite well made. *Disclaimer: since all of my listening at CanJam was sighted and not very well controlled do not place any value on my observations.* Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > Today, there is no lack of software availability. There are dozens for > Windows and Google Play Store shows at least 2 that even run on > commodity and high end cell phones. Yet, accounts of their use are like > hen's teeth on the web. They are highly convincing, especially when the > audiophile uses them to do their own tests. But, people have got to > actually use them. Audiophiles aren't going to use ABX tests, because so-called high end audio operates much like religions: it requires faith over and above rational analysis. Consider a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc who is offered the chance to take a test that will prove beyond any doubt the existence or otherwise of God. They're not going to take that test, because it puts at risk their investment in a belief system. Audiophiles who buy in to the snake oil ideas are in pretty much the same position. And of course they have a get out clause: the high priests of audiophilia tell them that ABX tests are inherently flawed, so they have a rational (to them) reason not to take them. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
"Placebophiles" -- I like it... ;-) mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > No need to be so pessimistic] > > The predictable death of Pono and likely gradual tarnishing of MQA are > useful reminders to audiophiles the ridiculous hype being perpetuated. > At some point, I think we reach a point where "faith" is lost and the > religion of the "high end" will crumble. > . I'd suggest the converse, based on an analysis of the same evidence plus my own life's experience. For example, computer audio was relatively free of placebophiles until about 5-7 years ago. Most really serious computer audio hardware were professional tools, and as long as a product category mainly appeals to professionals, a fairly large dollop of pragmatism goes with it. OK, there was a little trickle of regular high end products but it was relatively speaking a trickle. Now, the influx of snake oil has taken over the computer audio market, and placebo dependent products like magic USB and LAN cables are in their way, mainstream in the computer audiophile market. One other clear symptom of that is the advent of a large market of high-priced earphones and headphones. In the mid 1970s there was one of the first attempts to add rationality to the audio market by popularizing bias-controlled listening test in the form of ABX Comparators. Starting around year 2000, a particularly effective form of ABX Comparators entirely based on low-cost and no-cost Windows software was brought to the marketplace. Today, there is no lack of software availability. There are dozens for Windows and Google Play Store shows at least 2 that even run on commodity and high end cell phones. Yet, accounts of their use are like hen's teeth on the web. They are highly convincing, especially when the audiophile uses them to do their own tests. But, people have got to actually use them. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > No need to be so pessimistic Ralph! > > I totally understand that the common teenager/young adult music listener > isn't necessarily into high fidelity and won't care. Fashion rules in > that space. But the ones who do care about fidelity - the ones who might > be intrigued by "high resolution" as promoted by Neil Young or would > look at product specs to check out MQA - those people can be "reached". > Likewise the serious music lover - guys who would wander into Steve > Hoffman Forums for example - I know those guys also understand that > there is more than a little hype. Finally, I do believe when you look at > places like Stereophile and AudioStream website, people are getting more > than a little sick of the BS. > > When the audiophile magazines see that serious "hi-fi" lovers "get it", > they will change. > > The predictable death of Pono and likely gradual tarnishing of MQA are > useful reminders to audiophiles the ridiculous hype being perpetuated. > At some point, I think we reach a point where "faith" is lost and the > religion of the "high end" will crumble. > > Stay the course, Ralph :-). I attended Head-fi's CanJam in early February in NYC and headphone enthusiasts tend to be young and are often considered the next generation of audiophiles. Based on what I show and heard at CanJam I would say that both of us are just a little off in our predictions about the coming death of high end audio. CanJam was filled with all the usual audio voodoo, which I'm sad to say was being swallowed many of the attendees. Lots of after market cables, lots of Tidal streaming (with and without MQA), plenty of over priced DACs and amps and of course all kinds of headphones. Perhaps many of the next generation audiophiles will "get it" and reject at least some of the more outlandish high end audio dogma but I'm pretty sure that quite a bit of this nonsense will make it through and continue being believed. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
ralphpnj wrote: > I think that your optimism about consumers being educated is just a > little bit off after all Beats are still the number one selling > headphones and by a very wide margin. I think that it's less about > rejecting high resolution audio per se and more about just not needing a > media player other than their smart phone (in the case of Pono) in > addition to being told that to truly appreciate hi-rez audio they would > need better (and more expensive) playback equipment. > > That last part comes from the simple fact that when a "high resolution" > audio file is played back on their smart phone and Beats headphones they > can't hear any difference from their mp3 version and so the industry's > answer is to try and sell them something. Doesn't seem to be working > just like 3D HDTV didn't work. No need to be so pessimistic Ralph! I totally understand that the common teenager/young adult music listener isn't necessarily into high fidelity and won't care. Fashion rules in that space. But the ones who do care about fidelity - the ones who might be intrigued by "high resolution" as promoted by Neil Young or would look at product specs to check out MQA - those people can be "reached". Likewise the serious music lover - guys who would wander into Steve Hoffman Forums for example - I know those guys also understand that there is more than a little hype. Finally, I do believe when you look at places like Stereophile and AudioStream website, people are getting more than a little sick of the BS. When the audiophile magazines see that serious "hi-fi" lovers "get it", they will change. The predictable death of Pono and likely gradual tarnishing of MQA are useful reminders to audiophiles the ridiculous hype being perpetuated. At some point, I think we reach a point where "faith" is lost and the religion of the "high end" will crumble. Stay the course, Ralph :-). Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Archimago wrote: > Indeed Wombat, thanks for the links and the laughs... I still have my > black Pono sitting on my shelf for the memories. > > I don't know if this is a victory whether Pono or Highresaudio not > selling MQA for objectivists per se. I hope it is a victory for > consumers being educated about bullshit and voting with their wallets. > That's how capitalism should work. If the Emperor has no clothes, he > should be called out on it. Apparently Neil was surfing with his shorts > down as the tide went out :eek:. > > Anyone know if Neil has made any official statement BtW? I think that your optimism about consumers being educated is just a little bit off after all Beats are still the number one selling headphones and by a very wide margin. I think that it's less about rejecting high resolution audio per se and more about just not needing a media player other than their smart phone (in the case of Pono) in addition to being told that to truly appreciate hi-rez audio they would need better (and more expensive) playback equipment. That last part comes from the simple fact that when a "high resolution" audio file is played back on their smart phone and Beats headphones they can't hear any difference from their mp3 version and so the industry's answer is to try and sell them something. Doesn't seem to be working just like 3D HDTV didn't work. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Indeed Wombat, thanks for the links and the laughs... I still have my black Pono sitting on my shelf for the memories. I don't know if this is a victory whether Pono or Highresaudio not selling MQA for objectivists per se. I hope it is a victory for consumers being educated about bullshit and voting with their wallets. That's how capitalism should work. If the Emperor has no clothes, he should be called out on it. Apparently Neil was surfing with his shorts down as the tide went out :eek:. Anyone know if Neil has made any official statement BtW? Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Ops, totaly forgot to make fun out of the pono promise. For all that don't know this FANpage enjoy http://www.ponosucks.com Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Wombat wrote: > I don't think you should take everything they claim to serious. Even now > i still see ECM MQA sold at their store. It may simply be something like > the licencing for them makes the profit per sold unit unattractive. Once > this is sorted they will tell you how good it is. > Also i never saw them distancing from selling UMGs watermarked > "lossless" studio masters. Funny if you imagine UMGs MQA may still have > this watermark in :) Everything you said may indeed prove true but of the time being we get to enjoy a small victory. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
I don't think you should take everything they claim to serious. Even now i still see ECM MQA sold at their store. It may simply be something like the licencing for them makes the profit per sold unit unattractive. Once this is sorted they will tell you how good it is. Also i never saw them distancing from selling UMGs watermarked "lossless" studio masters. Funny if you imagine UMGs MQA may still have this watermark in :) Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
So as the article says, is the honeymoon over for MQA? http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/highresaudio-to-stop-offering-mqa/?utm_source=Default+Hi-Fi%2B+List_campaign=4dc42b8f8f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_14_medium=email_term=0_ff6dfd0295-4dc42b8f8f-162614149 First PonoMusic and now this. Hey all my objectivitist (sp?) friends it looks like we are starting to make some headway against the subjectivitists. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
