Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
Archimago, Even with the inefficient compression, the convince of FLAC makes it very much worthwhile for me. Have you tried it with you Teac UD-501? Does it auto switch to DSD with the FLAC files? Leica. Leica's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
Leica wrote: > The FLAC compression isn't working too well. My compressed bitrates are > around 5500Mbps and this is with FLAC 1.21 set to level 8, the highest > compression. The saving from ISO is negligible. Are SACD ISOs already > compressed? That's what I found as well. Only about 20-30% savings over a large 24/176 file vs. easily 50% savings over a native DSD (about the size of 24/88) with DST meant for DSD. I think I'll hold off streaming DoP off LMS like this due to excessive file sizes! Good luck with the Raspberry build. I'm tempted to try getting a low power quiet NUC-like device for headless DSD streaming to my TEAC in the sound room since running Windows with JRiver should be very good so long as it's silent. I like the idea of being able to control it with an iPad or Android. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
adyc wrote: > Are you using Touch to output to chordette qutehd? I thought qutehd dac > requires proprietary driver and Triode EDO plugin does not qutehd?? Sorry no, I did not use the Touch. I sold my Touch a while ago and am currently looking to build a Raspberry Pi based Touch equivalent. I am using the QuteHD via USB and the software is JRiver and foobar2000. With foobar2000 it has a digital volume control in WASAPI and it is very interesting using this when playing these DSD/FLAC files. You get a hiss sound and 176kHz LED from the DAC, but as soon as you move the volume slider up to the maximum the DAC magically lights up the DSD LED and you get glorious music! So at 100% volume the output is bit-perfect and the DAC instantly recognises the stream as DSD. Leica's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
Leica wrote: > This is brilliant. I tried it and it works like a charm. So now FLAC > files with artwork and metadata have DSD audio inside of them! > > I am using a Chord Chordette QuteHD and it plays them in native DSD > without any problems and also gapless perfectly too. > > The FLAC compression isn't working too well. My compressed bitrates are > around 5500Mbps and this is with FLAC 1.21 set to level 8, the highest > compression. The saving from ISO is negligible. Are SACD ISOs already > compressed? Are you using Touch to output to chordette qutehd? I thought qutehd dac requires proprietary driver and Triode EDO plugin does not qutehd?? adyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
This is brilliant. I tried it and it works like a charm. So now FLAC files with artwork and metadata have DSD audio inside of them! I am using a Chord Chordette QuteHD and it plays them in native DSD without any problems and also gapless perfectly too. The FLAC compression isn't working too well. My compressed bitrates are around 5500Mbps and this is with FLAC 1.21 set to level 8, the highest compression. The saving from ISO is negligible. Are SACD ISOs already compressed? Leica's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
adyc wrote: > It works with Emmlabs DAC2x USB input. Haven't tried this yet with my Touch --> TEAC UD-501. Curious, what kind of % compression are you seeing with DSD data packed with FLAC? With most DSD files, when I use DST, I'm getting about 50-60% compression with most orchestral/classical pieces. I imagine that FLAC might not be as efficient given the type of data. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
It works with Emmlabs DAC2x USB input. adyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch & DSD with a DoP DAC!
Something that looks really cool to try for those who have a DSD-capable DAC with DoP. Too bad the Transporter can't do this or I would definitely have a go at it in my main system :-) http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/playing-dsd-any-players-including-squeezebox-touch-16346/ Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98978 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
How about the following? SB3 Marantz PM6004 Paradigm Atom or Mini Monitor or Morduant Short Aviano 1 There's also a deal on at a local shop that pairs: Marantz PM5004 with CD5004 and the Morduant Aviano 1 for 1049 + Tax. -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Emotiva mini X100 amp 60 WPC SB Touch Axiom M22 V3 Speakers -- Recoveryone Pioneer Elite Logictech/Slim Device Transporter wirelessly connected Pioneer Elite VSX-81TX Pioneer BDP 320 2nd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (Bedroom) Pioneer VSX 520K Pioneer BDP 120 3rd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (MediaRoom) Pioneer VSX 510 Server running on (In garage) 4th Squeezebox 3 Wirelessly P4 3.0 GHz 2 gig ram Windows XP (Sp3) Linksys NIC wireless card w/HG anatana/speed boost 350 Xternal gigHD W/1.5 TB backup Verizon 54g wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
theanvah;678821 Wrote: > My apologies - $1,000 - $2,000 CAD. I have a small secondary system with the following that is quite nice (and very compact). It has the amp/preamp/tuner, then connect a CD player as an input and the SBTouch as an input and you're all set for I think under your $2k. parasound: zamp v3 zpre2 ztuner v2 (and you can add the zCD if desired). http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/ I feed a (predecessor) pair of these: http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Intimus-4B-Satellite-Speaker,113,90,261.aspx -- garym Location 1: VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Office: Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678802 Wrote: > All our partners are different, so when the OP emphasizes -"A > requirement from my SO. Need a CD player."- I take that as > non-negotiable, at least until the SO gets won over by the SB. > > In my family we did away with the tuner and kept the CD player on the > main system. My wife has grown to like the SB ecosystem, but I do hear > "Why can't I just play FM radio?" when our local public radio station's > stream has problems. The CD player only gets used if a friend comes over > with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put > them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason). I am eternally hopeful that a wholly NAS / Stream based solution will win out for my SO. But I can't take the risk - too many practical negative consequences I'd rather not face :-) -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678744 Wrote: > Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but > first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000 > what? My apologies - $1,000 - $2,000 CAD. -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
jean2;678797 Wrote: > My wife also wanted to keep the radio and the CD player. I went cold > turkey, and I connected the SB-Touch only, the old radio and CD are no > longer active. The trick was to make sure all CDs are available on the > Touch and easy to find. The SB-Touch will most likely provide all local > radio stations. After getting familiar with the SB-Touch, my wife never > asked back for the radio or CD player, and welcomed the addition of a > SB-Radio. All our partners are different, so when the OP emphasizes -"A requirement from my SO. Need a CD player."- I take that as non-negotiable, at least until the SO gets won over by the SB. In my family we did away with the tuner and kept the CD player on the main system. My wife has grown to like the SB ecosystem, but I do hear "Why can't I just play FM radio?" when our local public radio station's stream has problems. The CD player only gets used if a friend comes over with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678788 Wrote: > ...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then he/she > would need a preamp between the multiple sources (SB, CD, tuner) and > speakers, not an amp. My wife also wanted to keep the radio and the CD player. I went cold turkey, and I connected the SB-Touch only, the old radio and CD are no longer active. The trick was to make sure all CDs are available on the Touch and easy to find. The SB-Touch will most likely provide all local radio stations. After getting familiar with the SB-Touch, my wife never asked back for the radio or CD player, and welcomed the addition of a SB-Radio. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
sc53;678767 Wrote: > Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player (unless you unplug the Touch > and plug in the CD player). If you need two inputs, you need some kind > of amp with at least that many. AudioEngine speakers are cool but only > one set of inputs! The AudioEngine A5 has two mini-jack inputs (one on top, one at the back), and the A5+ has a also two inputs, a mini-jack and a RCA. That's actually one of the main reason I picked the A5 over many other speakers, the other is the auto-shutdown (speaker power off when there is no sound). ob_kook;678749 Wrote: > > SB Touch plus powered speakers. Maybe Audioengine A5. > That's exactly my setup, a Touch ($250), a portable USB drive ($100) and the AudioEngine A5 ($350). I would never claim it's audiophile, but it sounds really good to my ear. I like that it does the job, it's low power and minimalistic. I personally use the built-in server of the Touch, For your budget, you could add a dedicated server like a SqueezePlug. Regards, Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
sc53;678767 Wrote: > Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player ...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then he/she would need a preamp between the sources and speakers, not an amp. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player (unless you unplug the Touch and plug in the CD player). If you need two inputs, you need some kind of amp with at least that many. AudioEngine speakers are cool but only one set of inputs! -- sc53 Living Room ~ Touch > Benchmark DAC > Audio Research CA-2 > ProAc D15 Bedroom ~ Boom Kitchen ~ SB3 > NAD 747 > ATC SCM 12 Listening Room ~ SB3 > Electrocompaniet ECD 1 DAC > Electrocompaniet ECI 3 > Genesis 500 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
For my money with those requirements? SBM Touch plus powered speakers. Maybe Audioengine A5. This would be minamalmist and great sounding. No separate amp required. Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk -- ob_kook Duet --> Axiom passive pre --> Portal Paladin monoblocks --> Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII SB2 --> Denon AVR4800 --> Klipsch KG4 Squeezebox Boom Squeezeserver running on a virtual Win7 machine within 2008 R2 Server Hyper-V ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000 what? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Hi Folks: I've spent the past week reading and doing a little listening. Suffice to say I'm a little overwhelmed with the amount of information available. I would like some advice on a basic setup. Environment: - Small apartment. - The music area is one side of the living room measuring about 14' x 12' Needs: - Only for listening to music. I don't have TV, theater, etc. - Need to be able to listen to: - Digital Music (from a NAS - already have Synology NAS) - CD Player (A requirement from my SO. Need a CD player.) - Radio (Need a tuner) - Stereo setup is fine (don't need surround sounds) - Don't have a lot of space and SO is very picky about appearance, so speakers, amp, etc. should be minimalistic looking. Ex: Nait 5i I can purchase a DAC separately at a future date. What are your recommendations for the remaining components? Speakers, Amps? Thank you very much. Thean. -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
I second that Toslink finding. I am running a Van den Hul Optocoupler MKII ( supposed to be one of the best from what I read) since a couple of days on my Touch. Pretty similar effect from what I experienced when isolating my USB-DACs in the past. The related distortions just disappear. Similar things are happening on the wired ethernet side. That's why I recommend to disconnect the shield from that cable. Via the ethernet cable shield the Touch catches the mess of the entire network. Not to forget the power cable. Batteries or isolation transformers do help on that side. Cheers -- soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
ste1;560832 Wrote: > I reconfigured my set-up yesterday: > > Moved Squeezebox Touch physically away from on top of dac/amp to floor > (1m away) > Switched from 75 ohm coax to glass-fibre optical conection between > touch and dac > Switcehd source from HDD to PC (ethernet) > Set flac to convert to PCM on PC > Disconnented HDD and coax cable > > The above has resulted in an immediate and dramatic improvement in SQ. > > If I had to apportion credit it would be > 1) change to PC via ethernet(streaming PCM) - 70% > 2) change from coax to glass toslink as the key - 30% > > I know the golden rule of testing is to swap one thing at a time so > sadly can't be definitive on the above. > > The biggest surprise was changing from coax to toslink. I always > thought that coax was supposed to be the better connection and my prior > experience of budget plastic toslink backed this up. However switching > from an expensive shileded 75ohm coax to a decent glass-core toslink > yielded less grain and quiter background. a pleasant surprise. > > Maybe the squeezebox touch transmit more noise / interference that it's > digital outputs as oppossed to a high quality CD player for instance??? The Touch digital output (coax) is very high quality and very low noise. What you are possibly hearing is probably the fact that your DAC and the rest of your system prefers to be galvanically isolated from the Touch, removing a path for RFI into your system. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
I reconfigured my set-up yesterday: Moved Squeezebox Touch physically away from on top of dac/amp to floor (1m away) Switched from 75 ohm coax to glass-fibre optical conection between touch and dac Switcehd source from HDD to PC (ethernet) Set flac to convert to PCM on PC Disconnented HDD and coax cable The above has resulted in an immediate and dramatic improvement in SQ. If I had to apportion credit it would be 1) change to PC via ethernet(streaming PCM) - 70% 2) change from coax to glass toslink as the key - 30% I know the golden rule of testing is to swap one thing at a time so sadly can't be definitive on the above. The biggest surprise was changing from coax to toslink. I always thought that coax was supposed to be the better connection and my prior experience of budget plastic toslink backed this up. However switching from an expensive shileded 75ohm coax to a decent glass-core toslink yielded less grain and quiter background. a pleasant surprise. Maybe the squeezebox touch transmit more noise / interference that it's digital outputs as oppossed to a high quality CD player for instance??? -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
JezA;558921 Wrote: > NAIM equipment is, apparently, very sensitive to mains quality and > mechanical vibration - NAIM themselves sell mains leads for several > hundred pounds a time, and similarly priced shelves, which, so they > claim, improve sound quality. If that is true, then it may well be that > your NAIM equimpment is sensitive to noise from (say) the switching > power suppy on your hard drive, or mechanical noise, or RF - who knows. > So even if you do hear a difference between the servers the reason for > that difference may lie in the susceptibility of your NAIM gear to > extraneous factors, rather than some inherent property of how you are > getting a digital out. Try playing music from another source through > your NAIM kit with the HDD on and close or off to see whether the NAIM > is sensitive to some aspect of the HDD, and do the same with the Touch. Yes, Naim can be quite fussy but no space for dedicated hi-fi rack sadly. try moving the HDD away when I get hold of a lonfer USB2 cable -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
Mr_Sukebe;560018 Wrote: > Does the Samsung HDD have it's own PSU, or is it being powered by the > USB cable, and thus the SBT? > I wonder if the PSU is more noisy when also powering the HDD? Hi The samsung is powered by the Touch so you may be onto something. -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
Does the Samsung HDD have it's own PSU, or is it being powered by the USB cable, and thus the SBT? I wonder if the PSU is more noisy when also powering the HDD? -- Mr_Sukebe SB Touch, Meridian 568.2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system, audio-technica and Zanash cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
michael123;555735 Wrote: > see the file attached, it shall work (I sometimes use a bit different > version with upsampling/polyphase filtering) > rename it to custom-convert.conf and put it under C:\Program > Files\Squeezebox\server (near your convert.conf) Thanks!! Will give this a try... -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
NAIM equipment is, apparently, very sensitive to mains quality and mechanical vibration - NAIM themselves sell mains leads for several hundred pounds a time, and similarly priced shelves, which, so they claim, improve sound quality. If that is true, then it may well be that your NAIM equimpment is sensitive to noise from (say) the switching power suppy on your hard drive, or mechanical noise, or RF - who knows. So even if you do hear a difference between the servers the reason for that difference may lie in the susceptibility of your NAIM gear to extraneous factors, rather than some inherent property of how you are getting a digital out. Try playing music from another source through your NAIM kit with the HDD on and close or off to see whether the NAIM is sensitive to some aspect of the HDD, and do the same with the Touch. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
Archimago;555732 Wrote: > How do you do that, Michael? That would be an ideal solution I think... see the file attached, it shall work (I sometimes use a bit different version with upsampling/polyphase filtering) rename it to custom-convert.conf and put it under C:\Program Files\Squeezebox\server (near your convert.conf) +---+ |Filename: custom-convert.conf.txt | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10123| +---+ -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
michael123;555131 Wrote: > You can also configure SOX to downmix into stereo automatically How do you do that, Michael? That would be an ideal solution I think... -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
iPhone;555690 Wrote: > Try a USB Stick and see if it sounds like SBS Server. Then you know its > the USB Drive causing the sound difference. I can't see the USB Drive > sitting on top of the Lavry11 as being a good thing. How much space do > you need on the drive? Is a SSD an option? Or a longer cable for the > USB drive to get it away from Touch, DAC, and out of hearing range. Cheers - will give both of these suggestion a go -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
ste1;555683 Wrote: > Thanks to all for replies. To answer your questions: > > DAC is Lavry DA11 > HDD is Samsung S2 2.5" HDD which is actually sitting on top of the > Lavry DAC (USB cable is very short). > > My Set up is as follows. all components sitting next to each other on > table top in listening room: > > >Naim XS integrated amp on left of table > >DA11 adjacent to Naim amp and connected by Atlas Equator 2 RCA > interconnects > >SB Touch next to Lavry DAC and connected by 75ohm Atlas Compass > coaxial cable > >Samsung S2 HDD on top of Lavry (no more space on table) and connect to > Touch by supplied USB cable > >Amp is driving a pair of PMC DB1i's monitors. > > All music is flac via dbpoweramp software - 70% ripped on setting 5 > compression, and remaining 30% ripped on setting 0 (least compressed) > and with DSP set to 24bit. > When switching to full SBS - Touch is fed via ethernet cable from > laptop harddrive - same flac files. > > Listening room is fairly small 12'x15'. Listening position approx 10' > from speakers (but obviously none of this changes in terms of my > testing. > > Looks like we have mixed views on whether using tiny SBS negatively > affects SQ vs using PC SBS then. > Anything I can do to salvage the USB option or should I revert back to > PC solution? Will a longer cable enabling me to place the HDD away from > the other components help? Try a USB Stick and see if it sounds like SBS Server. Then you know its the USB Drive causing the sound difference. I can't see the USB Drive sitting on top of the Lavry11 as being a good thing. How much space do you need on the drive? Is a SSD an option? Or a longer cable for the USB drive to get it away from Touch, DAC, and out of hearing range. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
iPhone;555678 Wrote: > I will have to dig up the graphs but IIRC when I used AudioDiff to check > this, the graphs were identical. > > The Touch with the USB Hard Drive isn't sitting on top of your DAC is > it? And I like Phil's question, what DAC are you using? Another > question, what USB Drive are you using? > > Another thing that would help would be your exact setup (equipment and > location) as in both what is where and how close to listening > position? > > As an example when I did the tests with AudioDiff, I had the Touch on > its own shelf with USB drive behind it, SPDIF cable to Dodson DA-217 > MKII-D Digital Processor cable length away, Mogami Cable RCAs to sound > card. So the setup was the same expect for the file source for each > graph. > > Listening test wise, you might want to try this. Put 5 or 10 audio test > files on a USB stick and ABX that with the SBS Server. Then ABX the USB > stick and USB Drive. That might help to tell if its added noise in the > room from the USB Drive. I know I graphed Server VS USB Drive, I will > have to see if I did the USB Stick during those tests. Thanks to all for replies. To answer your questions: DAC is Lavry DA11 HDD is Samsung S2 2.5" HDD which is actually sitting on top of the Lavry DAC (USB cable is very short). My Set up is as follows. all components sitting next to each other on table top in listening room: >Naim XS integrated amp on left of table >DA11 adjacent to Naim amp and connected by Atlas Equator 2 RCA interconnects >SB Touch next to Lavry DAC >Samsung S2 HDD on top of Lavry (no more space on table) and connected to Touch by 75ohm Atlas Compass coaxial cable >Amp is driving a pair of PMC DB1i's monitors. All music is flac via dbpoweramp software - 70% ripped on setting 5 compression, and remaining 30% ripped on setting 0 (least compressed) and with DSP set to 24bit. When switching to full SBS - Touch is fed via ethernet cable from laptop harddrive - same flac files. Listening room is fairly small 12'x15'. Listening position approx 10' from speakers (but obviously none of this changes in terms of my testing. Looks like we have mixed views on whether using ting SBS negatively affects SQ vs using PC SBS then. Anything I can do to salvage the USB option or should I revert back to PC solution? Will a longer cable enabling me to place the HDD away from the other components help? -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
I will have to dig up the graphs but IIRC when I used AudioDiff to check this, the graphs were identical. The Touch with the USB Hard Drive isn't sitting on top of your DAC is it? And I like Phil's question, what DAC are you using? Another question, what USB Drive are you using? Another thing that would help would be your exact setup (equipment and location) as in both what is where and how close to listening position? As an example when I did the tests with AudioDiff, I had the Touch on its own shelf with USB drive behind it, SPDIF cable to Dodson DA-217 MKII-D Digital Processor cable length away, Mogami Cable RCAs to sound card. So the setup was the same expect for the file source for each graph. Listening test wise, you might want to try this. Put 5 or 10 audio test files on a USB stick and ABX that with the SBS Server. Then ABX the USB stick and USB Drive. That might help to tell if its added noise in the room from the USB Drive. I know I graphed Server VS USB Drive, I will have to see if I did the USB Stick during those tests. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
ste1;90 Wrote: > > Any ideas on why there would be a difference? My hypothesis include: > > Touch powering the harddrive introduces jitter/interference - or - > Touch powering the harddrive reduced current to the sp/dif output whic > hdoes something - or - > The proximity of a HDD emitting RFI is effecting something else in my > system Two other possibilities occur to me: 1. Ambient noise level of the spinning USB hard disk is degrading the listening environment. (This would only be a possibility if your SB server is in another room or is significantly quieter than the USB disk at your listening position). 2. Maybe you could simply be expecting a difference and therefore hearing one. The fact that you say you were hoping the USB setup would be better doesn't change the fact that sighted comparisons are vulnerable to expectation bias. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
What DAC? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
I think it's long been known in the audiophile community that powering a hard drive during music playback is one of the worst things you can do on the player. This is why some DIY computer playback systems buffer entire tracks in memory and avoid disk activity at all costs during playback. And why many people have found that using a solid state system disk has sonic benefits. That's been one of the biggest advantages to the Squeezebox audio line - being fed from the network and having no local disk. Don't use TinySC. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Touch: Internal server or computer server for best digital output SQ?
Hello Any thoughts / experience on which delivers better sound quality using the Touch as a digital transport into a high quality external DAC: 1) Touch powering a USB hard drive and using TinySBS -or- 2) SBS runnig on a PC and Touch operating as a receiver only My simple A-B testing conculed that the latter is noticably better but not sure why this be? (Also annoying as I want the USB operation to be better) Any ideas on why there would be a difference? My hypothesis include: Touch powering the harddrive introduces jitter/interference - or - Touch powering the harddrive reduced current to the sp/dif output whic hdoes something - or - The proximity of a HDD emitting RFI is effecting something else in my system Interested in the the thoughts of other SB Touch owning audiophiles. -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
You can also configure SOX to downmix into stereo automatically -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
Archimago;555114 Wrote: > Hi guys. No, it's not an issue with DTS surround bit streams; rather an > issue with multichannel lossless compressed FLAC files. These are > accepted by SqueezeCenter/Server and show up as music to play. > > Just attached a short 30-sec 6-channel FLAC-compliant file to the bug > report above. It's 6 channels of a sine wave. > > Import into SqueezeCenter and you'll see that it's accepted and will > show up in the database. Now play it... No sound but hardware will > show it playing. > > Now try playing something else that should play properly. Bet you have > to unplug the Squeezebox to reset. Try renaming a MIDI file to .WAV see if that makes it crash too. The server only looks at the tag information as far as showing in the library as playable. But if you give it an unsupported file what else do expect. Sure it could handle the error more gracefully. But creating a whole thread for just that rather than just filing a bug and moving on seems quite over kill. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter/DuetController > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > DuetReceiver > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
Hi guys. No, it's not an issue with DTS surround bit streams; rather an issue with multichannel lossless compressed FLAC files. These are accepted by SqueezeCenter/Server and show up as music to play. Just attached a short 30-sec 6-channel FLAC-compliant file to the bug report above. It's 6 channels of a sine wave. Import into SqueezeCenter and you'll see that it's accepted and will show up in the database. Now play it... No sound but hardware will show it playing. Now try playing something else that should play properly. Bet you have to unplug the Squeezebox to reset. -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
ralphpnj;554658 Wrote: > All of the Squeezebox devices will pass through the digital data stream > of a DTS encoded 5.1 flac file. What they will not do is: > > 1) Decode any type of multi-channel stream since all the Squeezebox > devices are only two channel. > > 2) Pass through a non-DTS encoded 5.1 flac stream. > > In other words, when you rip the 5.1 data from a DVD-Audio disc what > you get are six separate channels of data (5 plus the subwoofer > channel) and these channels need to be encoded into a DTS stream in > order have your Squeezebox (or Transporter or Receiver or Touch) > successfully pass the DTS data through a device which can decode the > DTS stream, such as a home theater receiver. Basically there is an > extra step involved which requires using DTS encoding software such as > Surcode DTS. You may also be able to encode the 5.1 data into a Dolby > Digital stream but I haven't tried doing this so I'm not sure if that > will work. > > Just for the record, I have encountered the same problem you described > and I was able to resolve it by using a DTS encoder. You can extract the "ENCODED" DTS/AC3 bitstream that is already on 99% of all DVD-A's. It's described in the WIKI how to do it. It's a bit of work and works fine. I have a ton of them and they sound extremely good. It's silly to reencode the lossless DVD-A channels into DTS yourself. What's on the disk already is done by a pro and it will likely sound better and a heck of lot easier. If you throw an illegal file format at the SqueezeBox/Transporter (i.e. a 5.1 FLAC) and hang don't expect it to get very high priority. But the DTS/AC3 encode "bitstream" embedded in a 2 channel Flac has worked perfectly for years. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter/DuetController > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > DuetReceiver > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
Archimago;554573 Wrote: > Just entered a new bug report - issue for all my SB devices - > Transporter, Boom, SB3: > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16292 > > I've been ripping some DVD-A disks to extract the 24/96+ stereo tracks > for playback. Sometimes, I'll also rip the 5.1 data and recompress as > FLAC 5.1 as well. All of the Squeezebox devices will pass through the digital data stream of a DTS encoded 5.1 flac file. What they will not do is: 1) Decode any type of multi-channel stream since all the Squeezebox devices are only two channel. 2) Pass through a non-DTS encoded 5.1 flac stream. In other words, when you rip the 5.1 data from a DVD-Audio disc what you get are six separate channels of data (5 plus the subwoofer channel) and these channels need to be encoded into a DTS stream in order have your Squeezebox (or Transporter or Receiver or Touch) successfully pass the DTS data through a device which can decode the DTS stream, such as a home theater receiver. Basically there is an extra step involved which requires using DTS encoding software such as Surcode DTS. You may also be able to encode the 5.1 data into a Dolby Digital stream but I haven't tried doing this so I'm not sure if that will work. Just for the record, I have encountered the same problem you described and I was able to resolve it by using a DTS encoder. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB hardware hangs with surround/5.1 FLAC files... Needs hard reset.
Just entered a new bug report - issue for all my SB devices - Transporter, Boom, SB3: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16292 I've been ripping some DVD-A disks to extract the 24/96+ stereo tracks for playback. Sometimes, I'll also rip the 5.1 data and recompress as FLAC 5.1 as well. On a couple of occasions, I tried to play these >2.0 music files and there's no complaint from either the Server or hardware (just no sound). However, a hard reset of the SB is needed in order to play anything else - very annoying. Anyhow, it doesn't happen often but this type of problem requiring pulling of the plug to get back on track is just plain nasty :-(. Would be great if the Server can downmix these to stereo automatically. -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79646 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Server settings advice
I looked at the settings related to how FLAC is decoded and could not really understand it. At least now I have a general idea of what they do. It sounds like there is not much reason to change it but I will give it a try on PCM and see what happens. I do have the volume set to 100 fixed. Thanks for the suggestions. -- richardw richardw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Server settings advice
There shouldn't be any settings you NEED to change in the defaults. The only thing you may want to change is to set the volume to fixed 100% so the DAC gets the native file data and doesn't do any volume scaling. Sending FLAC to any squeezebox is the optimal setting for quality, compatibility, and bandwidth. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Server settings advice
For Squeezebox Server there's no good reason to use anything but FLAC for the file format. Your choices for streaming the FLAC files are 1) as FLAC (natively decoded in the Transporter) 2) as uncompressed PCM, whereby Squeezebox Server decodes the file at the server computer The first is the default setting. The second can be had by going to Settings > Advanced > File Types and changing Code: File Format Stream Format Decoder FLAC FLACNative PCM flac to: Code: File Format Stream Format Decoder FLAC FLACDisabled PCM flac The disadvantage of the second is that it requires more bandwidth (generally, about twice as much) to stream the music to your player. If you're using a wireless connection, this may result in dropouts. The probability will increase if you stream hi-res formats like this. If you have a wired connection, you'll have plenty of bandwidth. FWIW, I hear no difference on my system streaming either way. Try using PCM and if you think it's better and you don't experience dropouts, use it. Otherwise, keep the default settings and enjoy. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Server settings advice
I wondered if i could get some input on the best use of the settings in Sqeezebox Server for optimal sound quality. I use the Transporter AES/EBU digital out to a Berkeley DAC. Files are ripped to FLAC from redbook, no high resolution files for now, on a Windows Vista laptop (until i decide on the best storage option). It seems the software has evolved over time and there are many options/settings related to audio, file conversion, sample rates etc. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- richardw richardw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Receiver Connected to External DAC & Volume Control Works
Unless you have replaygain disabled and the volume set to 100% (or "fixed" in the squeezecenter settings) all Squeezeboxs will apply 24bit volume control. I wouldn't worry about the volume control too much. Since the squeezebox volume control is done in 24 bits any rounding errors are well below the noise floor of your Bryston's amp section. (-106dB according to the specs) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65941 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Receiver Connected to External DAC & Volume Control Works
I'm the proud new owner of a Bryston B60R amplifier optioned with their built-in DAC. I've connected my SB Receiver's "Digital Out" to the Bryston's DAC input using RCA connectors. A quick listen surprised me that the volume control on the SB Controller actually works. I would have thought the SB Receiver's "Digital Out" would be a fixed, pristine stream of bits -- thus rendering the volume control on the SB Controller ineffective. (The amp's volume control would therefore have to be used). In light of my newness to the concept of using an external DAC, is someone able to explain why the volume control on the SB Controller is actually working on the SB Receiver's "Digital Out"? Thanks. -- ShutterShock ShutterShock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3602 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65941 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Phil Leigh;439692 Wrote: > ...perhaps we should concentrate more on galvanic isolation, shielding > etc? I personally think that is correct, especially regarding the galvanic isolation. For instance, different sound cards may seem quite audibly distinguishable in their digital outputs, due to one card having pulse-transformer isolation but not so with the other card. Although some frown upon using glass optical connections for digital, I consistently find it to be preferable for digital audio transmission - I suspect it must be due to the genuinely perfect galvanic isolation this method provides. Best of all in my view, the SlimDevice approach - send the digital data via (galvanically isolated) ethernet protocol - which eliminates recovered clock issues - and interface everything using a remote-controlled server transport. I tried putting a Jensen line input transformer between this analog out and the amp, with excellent results as well. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
cliveb;439679 Wrote: > All of this effort to reduce jitter to a minimum seems to ignore the > discoveries that were made years ago by Benjamin and Gannon in a > properly conducted test which concluded that on music signals, jitter > below about 10nS (that's 1pS) has no audible effect. Granted they > were using uncorrelated jitter, but come on, this is *orders of > magnitude* worse than the jitter levels that come out of typical > consumer gear. > > My personal feeling is that the reason we sometimes notice differences > between transports is nothing to do with jitter, but down to the effects > that the different EMI signatures and/or grounding arrangements those > transports have on downstream analogue circuitry (eg. in the DAC, > preamp, etc). Fair point, perhaps we should concentrate more on galvanic isolation, shielding etc? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
krzys;439561 Wrote: > That's true but at the end, even with the presence of this “noisy” > environment, they manage to achieve very respectable low jitter numbers > using 150$ soundcard namely the j...@. As you know they slow the > processor, lover the supply tension, limit bus traffic, detune Windows, > do some other tricks and use this particular player (cpaly). Thus TCP/IP > or not they do it and therefore the transfer protocol seems irrelevant > to the result. That was my point. Some of them even pretend it sound > better than SD products ;-) All of this effort to reduce jitter to a minimum seems to ignore the discoveries that were made years ago by Benjamin and Gannon in a properly conducted test which concluded that on music signals, jitter below about 10nS (that's 1pS) has no audible effect. Granted they were using uncorrelated jitter, but come on, this is *orders of magnitude* worse than the jitter levels that come out of typical consumer gear. My personal feeling is that the reason we sometimes notice differences between transports is nothing to do with jitter, but down to the effects that the different EMI signatures and/or grounding arrangements those transports have on downstream analogue circuitry (eg. in the DAC, preamp, etc). -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
krzys;439570 Wrote: > But then the audiophiliosis strikes: “Some of them pretend it sounds > better than SD products”. But to be honest nobody mentioned the > Transporter just the SB and Duet. > You understand the uncertainty: moderately skilled PC builder can > easily build this PC transport and it can sound better ... by which > margin? > Chris :-) Bet none of them have tried to measure the "difference" eg with AudioDiffMaker? I spent ages trying to detect anything that might affect the S/PDIF and gave up. None of the standard "tweaks" made a difference (linear PSU, expensive vs cheap digital cables, playing WAV files etc - even TOSLINK vs COAX!!!). By contrast, the difference between FLAC and MP3 was easily detectable (at least to the software...at 320 it was hard to tell by ear) Although some people may not prefer the sound, there is no doubt in my mind that what comes out of the TP is technically more accurate than ANY rig with an external DAC, unless they are using i2S or DAC Clock connections. Plain S/PDIF will not match those. Ever. I'm still planning out how I'm going to achieve i2S or word clock, but my DRC is problematic in that respect. I'd have to replace everything before my pre-amp and or mod my SB+TACT+DAC, which is going to be expensive. Maybe I'll just get a TP... Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
But then the audiophiliosis strikes: “Some of them pretend it sounds better than SD products”. But to be honest nobody mentioned the Transporter just the SB and Duet. You understand the uncertainty: moderately skilled PC builder can easily build this PC transport and it can sound better ... by which margin? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
krzys;439561 Wrote: > That's true but at the end, even with the presence of this “noisy” > environment, they manage to achieve very respectable low jitter numbers > using 150$ soundcard namely the j...@. As you know they slow the > processor, lover the supply tension, limit bus traffic, detune Windows, > do some other tricks and use this particular player (cpaly). Thus TCP/IP > or not they do it and therefore the transfer protocol seems irrelevant > to the result. That was my point. Some of them even pretend it sound > better than SD products ;-) Ah - thanks. That explains your comments. Now I understand!. Thing is, all those tricks are basically lowering noise on the power lines and also lowering EMI/RFI inside the PC - which can lower jitter. Think how good it would sound with the clock+S/PDIF outside of, far away from and galvanically isolated from the PC... oh that's an SB then :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Phil Leigh;439552 Wrote: > Chris, > > I don't understand your point about TCP/IP being irrelevant - to me is > critical since it lets me keep the clock and the jitter aspects locked > inside the SB - the PC is completely out of the jitter equation. On ANY > PC+card solution, jitter will be influenced by what is happening in the > PC. This is simply never the case in an SB-based solution. > > Anyway, interesting discussion! That's true but at the end, even with the presence of this “noisy” environment, they manage to achieve very respectable low jitter numbers using 150$ soundcard namely the j...@. As you know they slow the processor, lover the supply tension, limit bus traffic, detune Windows, do some other tricks and use this particular player (cpaly). Thus TCP/IP or not they do it and therefore the transfer protocol seems irrelevant to the result. That was my point. Some of them even pretend it sound better than SD products ;-) -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Chris, I can't comment on the Duet as I don't have one. However, there are only 2 variables in the transport (PC vs SB via S/PDIF) equation: 1) the bits - are they OK? - answer: Demonstrably yes in both cases. We can discount this. 2) Jitter into the output stream at the transport end - answer: we get different "numbers" (pattern) of jitter, so they are different. With some DACs we would expect this to translate into an audible "difference". With other DAC's the slightly different levels/patterns of input jitter will have no effect whatsoever on the audio emerging from the analogue stage of the DAC. However it is impossible to conclude anything from this...except that some people will prefer the sound from one approach and some will prefer the sound from the other. Interestingly, the use of a PC with a coax S/PDIF connection to a DAC can cause issues with transmitted RFI/Noise. I don't understand your point about TCP/IP being irrelevant - to me is critical since it lets me keep the clock and the jitter aspects locked inside the SB - the PC is completely out of the jitter equation. On ANY PC+card solution, jitter will be influenced by what is happening in the PC. This is simply never the case in an SB-based solution. Anyway, interesting discussion! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Phil without going into details. We all know there are many roads to the « beloved » sound. I wanted to share this alternative with the community. I strongly believe that a real comparative opinion has to be sought from another source than a device dedicated forum. So I did. I got only few (deception) valuable opinions, one of them is this post from Alan Jordan, who actually owns a Duet: “I have a Squeezebox Duet. I have directly compared its digital output with a PC output going to a MHDT Labs Havana DAC. When using the PC to the DAC, I tried coax via an M-Audio Delta 410 PCI, coax via a Lynx 2B, and USB directly to the Havana. The Squeezebox Duet driving the Havana did not have any digital glare, but comparatively was soft in the bass with a lack of dynamics. I thought the PC driving the Havana sounded much better. Note that the Havana is a filterless NOS DAC, so it does not have any jitter reduction technology and hence shows differences in transports quite clearly. I tried many different software players in this comparison, and three different PCs. The software players included CPlay, Squeezeslave (which allows a PC to act as a Squeezebox device), Foobar, J River Media Center, and Wavelab. In all cases, I thought the PCs sounded better than the Duet. I thought an optimized PC using CPlay, Squeezeslave sounded best. I never tested using a full CMP build when using CPlay, but did test using a similarly optimized Linux system when using Squeezeslave. >From my testing, I imagine a fully optimized CMP / Cplay solution would sound far better than any Squeezebox. Wavelab actually sounds very good too, but it is not a usable playback solution. I also did the same comparison of the Squeezebox Duet and PC into a Benchmark DAC1. The differences between the two, while detectable, were not as noticeable when feeding the Benchmark - probably due to its asynchronous upsampling. However, the Benchmark does not sound very good in my main system so I didn't spend very much time comparing the two. The Duet and Benchmark are still in use in my bedroom system, where I am not as obsessed with getting the best sound I can, and they suit their purpose well there. “ If I compare the SB or Transporter to the their solution , I see that they produce the same SPDIF output and obtain a very low jitter. The use of TCP/IP is not relevent. They use the PC bus for the same task , I mean the link from software player to the SPDIF chip. The main difference is the DAC in the Transporter. If someone likes his DAC then he is done for less money than the PC solution with external DAC, but as we know not everyboby likes this DAC. The SB + Dac is cheaper. That was the object of the thread. The PC solution is also atractive to the DIY inclined ;-) I’m very reluctant to eliminate any solution just on some theoretical considerations ex noisy PC and so one. As usual the only way would be to compare both solutions in the same system YMMV -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
krzys;439313 Wrote: > The comparison was between a specialized DIY PC called Cmp using a > special software Cplay (not exclusive to the Cmp) costing around > 1200-1500$ and having a touch screen and a remote, a kind of digital > only Transporter or SB. > I thought that it could be a possible alternative to even a > Transporter. Each device has his enthusiastic followers on the > respective device forum, this forum included, but few have compared the > solutions. I think that their solution can work and is very very > flexible. My point is that most people seem to be using CMP/Cplay with a soundcard via S/PDIF into a DAC, so at the end of the day the S/PDIF issues are still present. As for Cplay sounding better than other software players... well the only even vaguely plausible explanation would be reduced noise/rfi in the soundcard giving a less noisy S/PDIF signal with a better clock. I don't wish to sound cynical, but this seems to be an example of extending audiophile accepted wisdom (less is more, simple signal paths etc) into the world of computers which strikes me as alternately curious and funny. The talk of hard disk playback inducing jitter makes me howl with laughter... YMMV -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
The comparison was between a specialized DIY PC called Cmp using a special software Cplay (not exclusive to the Cmp) costing around 1200-1500$ and having a touch screen and a remote, a kind of digital only Transporter or SB. I thought that it could be a possible alternative to even a Transporter. Each device has his enthusiastic followers on the respective device forum, this forum included, but few have compared the solutions. I think that their solution can work and is very very flexible. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
krzys;439271 Wrote: > Link to a thread I started on AA forum, some interesting comparisons and > discussion about SB jitter figures > http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/56348.html > my question was : > Did somebody compared the Cics combo with Squeezebox? Both output SPDIF > digital signal to a DAC. Is there any significant difference in SQ ? As > anybody has already a computer at home , SB is a much cheaper solution > and it permits DRC convolving. > Chris With the notable exception of a single post by John Swenson, that thread is hopeless. If someone wants to spend $10k on the ultimate transport then that is their choice - good luck to them. I'm sure they will enjoy their investment. Alternatively, use any modern DAC with very high jitter rejection and if you REALLY want to tinker, rip that ferrite bead out - but with a decent DAC it won't make a difference you can hear. ANY transport+DAC combo using S/PDIF is inherently flawed anyway. If you really want "as good as it gets", use the DAC clock to drive the transport. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Unless you have really bad (much much worse than the SB3) jitter, any audible differences are going to be very slight. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Link to a thread I started on AA forum, some interesting comparisons and discussion about SB jitter figures http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/56348.html Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Duet, external DAC, cabling preference
mccauls;426776 Wrote: > I'm adding a DacMagic to my Duet system (pros/cons debated elsewhere) > for my main stereo system which is downstairs. Music server pc is > upstairs. Currently the SB receiver is downstairs connected via wifi > using analog out to my amp. Is it better to have 1) wifi to downstairs > receiver, 1.5m digital coax to dac, dac analog out to amp, 2) cabled > ethernet to downstairs receiver, 1.5m digital coax to dac, dac analog > out to amp, or 3) cabled ethernet to receiver upstairs, long run of > digital coax downstairs to dac, dac analog out to amp. I guess the real > question - is cabled ethernet any better than wifi (wifi connection is > very good), and if so, should the long cable run be ethernet or digital > coax? > > Thanks for the help. > > Chris The connection between the PC and the SB3 doesn't matter. You can use wifi or wired ethernet. Wired ethernet is preferred only if you have interference issues with other wifi networks or other RF sources and it causes sound dropouts (like a CD skipping). Personally I would put the SB3 near the stereo downstairs and use a 1.5M cable. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63782 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB Duet, external DAC, cabling preference
I'm adding a DacMagic to my Duet system (pros/cons debated elsewhere) for my main stereo system which is downstairs. Music server pc is upstairs. Currently the SB receiver is downstairs connected via wifi using analog out to my amp. Is it better to have 1) wifi to downstairs receiver, 1.5m digital coax to dac, dac analog out to amp, 2) cabled ethernet to downstairs receiver, 1.5m digital coax to dac, dac analog out to amp, or 3) cabled ethernet to receiver upstairs, long run of digital coax downstairs to dac, dac analog out to amp. I guess the real question - is cabled ethernet any better than wifi (wifi connection is very good), and if so, should the long cable run be ethernet or digital coax? Thanks for the help. Chris -- mccauls mccauls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63782 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
The internet is a strange place. You can find people who like hifi so much they would contemplate ... well ... -- SomeChap SomeChap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
pfarrell;308581 Wrote: > > For that price, it had better sound fabulous and improve your sex life > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Well it looks pretty sexy, but it's far too expensive to get all messed up :-) Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk Craig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=96 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
I have a pair of Clarion boat speakers set into the false ceiling, they're like a 8" full range car speaker but designed for boats, so they're water and environment proof. Coupled with cheap amp and a SB and they work great. Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk Craig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=96 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
parfour7th;307585 Wrote: > After ~30 minutes of researching the A5's on various sites, all I see is > one outstanding review after another. That's rare. > > Thanks SuperQ. These are EXACTLY what I was looking for. > > Chris > > P.S. For anyone else interested in the A5 speakers, the best deal I > found was Amazon ($325/pair, free shipping). Just my two cents. I enjoy my A5s. I have a very large master bathroom and have used the A5s with my mobile setup in there. It is really overkill. With 16 feet of granite counter top, all the tile in the bathroom (floor and one third up the walls), the all tile inside and out shower for two and two person jacuzzi, there are not many soft surfaces. A pair of the cheaper A2s would due in my large bathroom and probably be close to over kill in most bathrooms. A pair of outdoor Bose or Cambridge Speakers would work well but need an amp. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM /user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Bedroom: SB3, NAD C370, Thiel 2.3 Home Office: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, VSM-1 Sigs Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
agentsmith wrote: > Price wise it is a little over the top. But I would think the Meridian > F80 in a bathroom would sound awesome. For that price, it had better sound fabulous and improve your sex life -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
One thing I've noticed in my fully tiled bathrooms is that it doesn't really make a whole heap of difference whether I use 1 or 2 speakers. There is so much echo and reflection that it's hard to position the audio anyway. I split a pair of speakers between 2 bathrooms to save money and it works just fine. You can always hear music fidelity, but hearing stereo in a bathroom with an ear full of shampoo is hard work. Speaker wise I used an old pair of Bose 100s I had lying around. Ideally suited to the application as they have a plastic housing that wipes down easily...things in my bathroom usually end up covered in dust, hair and talcum powder. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
Price wise it is a little over the top. But I would think the Meridian F80 in a bathroom would sound awesome. I believe it has some DSP controlled room correction so it may compenasate for the echoy acoustics. Let me try tonight to hear how it sounds in my bathroom. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
After ~30 minutes of researching the A5's on various sites, all I see is one outstanding review after another. That's rare. Thanks SuperQ. These are EXACTLY what I was looking for. Chris P.S. For anyone else interested in the A5 speakers, the best deal I found was Amazon ($325/pair, free shipping). -- parfour7th parfour7th's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
Check out the AudioEngine A2 or A5 speakers.. big sound in reasonably sized boxes. I'm not sure if moisture would be a huge issue or not with them. They use poly drivers, so they should be ok as long as the room is well vented. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB for Bathroom--Need Big (Budget) Sound
Do you fine folks have a suggestion for a sound system that I can use in a fairly good sized bath? Would like a big sound for drowning out my singing in the shower. ;-) Do I need amp, sub, and speaker combination? Something else? Budget is ~$300 if possible but can spend a bit more for the right combination. Thanks in advance! Chris -- parfour7th parfour7th's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48346 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
Well, they send in 128 kbps, and thats pretty good yes. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 > Stereovox XV2 > Bryston B100-DA SST > Martin Logan Aeon I > Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
Regarding decent signal the radio.com-radio io? Sounds good through only Squeezebox. Especially jazz, ambient. A bit surpricing since it is internet radio.. -- eiret eiret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
highdudgeon;63382 Wrote: > I'm wondering how many people have done careful listening comparing the > Squeezebox with and without a high-end external DAC? IE, is there much > benefit to be gained? Little? None at all? > > Personally, I think it sounds quite good. I do have a re-clocking DAC > on order. Comments, thoughts. > > Also, comments and thoughts on an external power supply? Worth it? > And, surely, there must be a commercial unit available that would be > cheaper than one of the "audiophile" versions (ie, Boulder, etc.). for me, the difference is quite clear, but of course much more so when you get a decent signal. some HD radio streams I get from the net play very nicely thanks to the VDA2 DAC I got from CIA. in other cases, the difference between the SB3 alone and the SB3 through a DAC are going to be pretty minuscule. as for the external power supplies, I haven't made up my mind. harder to test... -- melomaniac melomaniac's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
NoFlyZone;275236 Wrote: > Anybody listen to an Audio Note 2.1 DAC from SB3? I've modded my SB3 > with the KE DAC, National LM4562 Opamp and a Welborne PS. It amazingly > clean but still missing the imaging I continually seek. Audio Note > offers this DAC in kit form. > > For $500 the Paradisea+ DAC looks pretty nice. I go back and forth > between furthering the mods of my SB3 or looking for an outboard DAC. > At this point everything that I've in between the signal path of the > SB3 to Nuforce 9SEV2 has been to the detriment. Imaging is primarily function of speakers (their mid and high component), room, the seating position and speaker placement. This is where the bigest bang for the money is. Magnepans will 'image' with stock SB3 playing 32 Kbps stream. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
Anybody listen to an Audio Note 2.1 DAC from SB3? I've modded my SB3 with the KE DAC, National LM4562 Opamp and a Welborne PS. It amazingly clean but still missing the imaging I continually seek. Audio Note offers this DAC in kit form. For $500 the Paradisea+ DAC looks pretty nice. I go back and forth between furthering the mods of my SB3 or looking for an outboard DAC. At this point everything that I've in between the signal path of the SB3 to Nuforce 9SEV2 has been to the detriment. -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
highdudgeon;63382 Wrote: > I'm wondering how many people have done careful listening comparing the > Squeezebox with and without a high-end external DAC? IE, is there much > benefit to be gained? Little? None at all? > > Personally, I think it sounds quite good. I do have a re-clocking DAC > on order. Comments, thoughts. > > Also, comments and thoughts on an external power supply? Worth it? > And, surely, there must be a commercial unit available that would be > cheaper than one of the "audiophile" versions (ie, Boulder, etc.). I can switch instantly between the SB3 dac and my Bryston dac, and the difference is there. Whether or not its big enough to justify the price is up to you. Funny enough, through a set of Stax Signature II earphones I didnt hear that much difference, but through the speakers it was big. With the SB3 the voices seemed to emerge from the dead middle and music coming from the two speakers, literally. Switching to the Bryston I suddenly had a soundstage, a lot more deep bass and no speakers.. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 > Stereovox XV2 > Bryston B100-DA SST > Martin Logan Aeon I > Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
http://extra.benchmarkmedia.com/wiki/index.php/Computer_Audio_Playback_-_Setup_Guide -- eiret eiret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
akwok;93683 Wrote: > I currently purchased a very, very good DAC from Hong Kong; I previously > owned the Benchmark and I prompty sold the Bench after lengthy A/B > comparisons. > > It is a looker too, for $500 shipped. Battery operated, with a digital > switch that charges when it's low on battery, and can run off the wall > and charge at the same time. NOS design, 8x TDA1543 in parallel. > > More info in my Head-Fi thread here: > http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=168113 Clicked thru to head-fi ? - can you provide the manufactures website link to this super mystery dac. Does this thing exist??? thx R -- raulzed raulzed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
I am not interested in policing what topics people discuss here, but I do ask that you keep it civilized. This thread is now closed. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Listener;240927 Wrote: > You are the one delivering insults. "complete idiots","madman rants"? > You haven't made a convincing argument yet. Yes, I am now, after those two have aggressed and insulted everyone in this thread. They actually jumped in just for insulting, not contributing at all Listener;240927 Wrote: > > Any forum members were free to answer your original post about the SB+. > They didn't. You probably need to go elsewhere for SB+ feedback. > Bill If you read the first three pages a bunch of people were contributing and discussing the topic in very helpful and pleasant way (maybe not allowed here); that was before those two jumped in insulting. If it is not allowed to discuss the SB+ here then fair enough, I was under the impression that the SB+ was a product made by Slim Devices and modified by Patrick Dixon. BTW, what is actually allowed to be discussed in this forum? -- Vic Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;240913 Wrote: > Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all? > How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every > single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic, > insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion? > I have noticed that this forum hardly has more than 50 posts per day > (not surprising with those two morons around); opaqueisce has way more > than 1,000 posts, so his madman rants must account for about 10% of > posts here, no wonder people go away You are the one delivering insults. "complete idiots","madman rants"? You haven't made a convincing argument yet. You misquoted "opaqueisce" and others and then attack the strawman you created. Any forum members were free to answer your original post about the SB+. They didn't. You probably need to go elsewhere for SB+ feedback. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;240913 Wrote: > Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all? They rarely intervene, as it's not normally needed. Now that you've arrived that may change. > How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every > single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic, > insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion? What a delightfully ironic thing to say. > I have noticed that this forum hardly has more than 50 posts per day > (not surprising with those two morons around); opaqueisce has way more > than 1,000 posts, so his madman rants must account for about 10% of > posts here, no wonder people go away You have posted 28 times in the last 7 days, thereby accounting for about 10% all by yourself (if your figure is correct). This thread probably should be locked. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all? How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic, insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion? I have noticed that this forum hardly has more than 50 posts per day (not surprising with those two morons around); opaqueisce has way more than 1,000 posts, so his madman rants must account for about 10% of posts here, no wonder people go away -- Vic Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
opaqueice;240792 Wrote: > As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct > competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB > which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a > number of red flags. > > If I were you I'd be grateful it's allowed to continue. Why dont you make your own threads where you can preach your fundamentalistisk views on the irelevance of the source, instead of jumping out like a trool out of a box every time a thread have just the tinyest think to do with progress and improvment. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
opaqueice;240792 Wrote: > As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct > competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB > which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a > number of red flags. > > If I were you I'd be grateful it's allowed to continue. And that's for you to say? Given that you make very little (if any) positive contribution here, and have gone on record as to the lack of ANY difference sonically in the SB3 and the Transporter, and IIRC started a thread here about the speakers you planned to buy, I think you should get your own house in order before criticising others! You turn every thread here into 'your' argument, which at the very least, makes it and you extremely boring. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Patrick Dixon;240733 Wrote: > AFAIK this is Slim Devices/Logitech's forum, and they have never had a > problem with people discussing third party products and additions, let > alone one for which they sell -at least- one SB3 for everyone sold! As I'm sure you're fully aware, your product is in more or less direct competition with the Transporter, and involves a modification to the SB which voids the warranty. Discussing it on these forums could raise a number of red flags. If I were you I'd be grateful it's allowed to continue. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
adamslim;240738 Wrote: > I'm not sure I saw any irony in it, but maybe that's an across-the-pond > definition issue - the only irony I see is me being called a troll when > I have been one of very few who are helpful to the original poster in > this thread. Clearly not the done thing on this forum! > > Adam If you don't understand that a post that combines an ad hominem with a strawman, adds in a gratuitous Nazi reference and a retard joke, adding no reasoned commentary, or, in fact, any content at all, is a trolling post, you're either too dim even to argue with, or completely disingenuous. -- totoro Perl is the Ron Jeremy of programming languages. totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
totoro;240490 Wrote: > Let's see: you managed to combine the continuation of a straw man > argument, a retard joke, and a reference to Nazis all in one post, all > while being protected by the cover of a lame attempy at irony. > > Nice trolling. I'm not sure I saw any irony in it, but maybe that's an across-the-pond definition issue - the only irony I see is me being called a troll when I have been one of very few who are helpful to the original poster in this thread. Clearly not the done thing on this forum! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR V20, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
opaqueice;240697 Wrote: > This is even more the wrong forum to ask about that than to ask about > the SB+. AFAIK this is Slim Devices/Logitech's forum, and they have never had a problem with people discussing third party products and additions, let alone one for which they sell -at least- one SB3 for everyone sold! I'm quite sure they are perfectly capable of policing their own forums without your dedicated assistance. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;240687 Wrote: > Have you had better results with SB compared to soundcards? Hiya Yes... I was using the M-audio USB Audiophile, USB from the laptop to the card, coax out, it uses a separate psu (not usb powered). Using the coax out form the SB just sounded better, it was a good while ago I swaped over, so unfortunatly can't remember exactly what was better. My kit my ears ;-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
haunyack;240681 Wrote: > Go for the SB+.. That was my original idea when I register to this forum. But I would rather go without music instead of facing again a few morons that seem to jump in every single thread in this forum haunyack;240681 Wrote: > Oxymoronic Which in English is? -- Vic Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Jitterbug;240690 Wrote: > Not sure I understand. You're talking about hooking a card up to a PC > right? Use USB on the PC side, use the soundcards coax or optical then > to the Monarchy DIP. Generally people prefer USB cards for this purpose > because they are out of the PC and away from it's noise & power supply > > > Bad clock, bad power supply, EMF and other noise, Windows drivers, ... > > > > > Yes, however I have seen reports on this forum from those who couldn't > distinguish the difference. I see your point, sorry I misunderstood the first time. I thought you meant a soundcard with USB out in order to go to a USB DAC. Wow, it looks like I am heading for troubles. I thought something like foobar and the rabbit thingy would give good results -- Vic Vic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;240673 Wrote: > > Can anyone recommend me a good soundcard with optical and coaxial > output? This is even more the wrong forum to ask about that than to ask about the SB+. You can find plenty of PC audio fora on the web where you can get advice, assuming that's actually what you want. Good bye, and don't let the door hit you on the way out. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
