Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

['Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy]

Whoops, I meant Liz..On Sep 13, 2019 7:42 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:Ok. Thank youSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:The word after the father's name is not Santa. It's not the same "S" as in Silveira.It says she died with no will and left 6 kids. Not that the kids witnessed her death.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:Sometimes, where there's some type of natural disaster, such as an earthquake, the priest will note at the beginning of that section that the following died due to the earthquake. Remember though that you are researching Catholic sacramental records which was to record the sacrament (extreme unction, last rites).Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:31 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:Thank youCurious of death because others in fam died a few days beforeMight have been a plague or somethingSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 7:49 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:I see that she died 11 March 1889, 80 years old, wife of Jose Francisco da Rosa, daughter of Antonio Silveira ?? and Maria Rosa. Witnesses were her 6 children and she was buried in the public cemetery.  I don’t think it says what she died of.  Maybe someone else can get the word after Silveira…. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Elizabeth MiglioriSent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:30 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.htmlBottom right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P57.htmlUpper left Is this the record of Maria Rita died March 11, 1889 I cannot make out how old she was???daughter of Antonio Silveira Does it say Santa after that?   and Maria Rosawife of Jose Francisco da Rosa?Does it by any chance say what she died of? thank you Liz-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CADwZyr6XLRxX47e9JRaRvQGDy97nKExjGtMtErSm4989bGkUWQ%40mail.gmail.com. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

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Thanks for correcting that Angela.On Sep 13, 2019 7:42 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:Ok. Thank youSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:The word after the father's name is not Santa. It's not the same "S" as in Silveira.It says she died with no will and left 6 kids. Not that the kids witnessed her death.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:Sometimes, where there's some type of natural disaster, such as an earthquake, the priest will note at the beginning of that section that the following died due to the earthquake. Remember though that you are researching Catholic sacramental records which was to record the sacrament (extreme unction, last rites).Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:31 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:Thank youCurious of death because others in fam died a few days beforeMight have been a plague or somethingSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 7:49 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:I see that she died 11 March 1889, 80 years old, wife of Jose Francisco da Rosa, daughter of Antonio Silveira ?? and Maria Rosa. Witnesses were her 6 children and she was buried in the public cemetery.  I don’t think it says what she died of.  Maybe someone else can get the word after Silveira…. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Elizabeth MiglioriSent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:30 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.htmlBottom right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P57.htmlUpper left Is this the record of Maria Rita died March 11, 1889 I cannot make out how old she was???daughter of Antonio Silveira Does it say Santa after that?   and Maria Rosawife of Jose Francisco da Rosa?Does it by any chance say what she died of? thank you Liz-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CADwZyr6XLRxX47e9JRaRvQGDy97nKExjGtMtErSm4989bGkUWQ%40mail.gmail.com. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

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All along I thought Trindade was a surname. I knew about devotional names, just didn't know Trindade was one. Guess I don't know my saints very well.  Thanks for the clarification Cheri.On Mar 1, 2019 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:Trindade is not her surname. It's part of her given name. Many women take a devotional name as their middle name.The 2nd time period (1860 or so - 1911 or so) the women didn't have surnames. So if they didn't have surnames, I don't force one. It didn't happen there and I"m not going to put my American way of research onto a Portuguese naming custom.Here's an article from the Azores GenWeb on Naming Practices:http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.htmlCheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:32 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:Curious and hoping to learn, Cheri.  Why do you leave the female surname blank if it is given?  (Trindade).  I leave it blank unless one is listed in the record but; put it in when it shows in the record.. Thanks , Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Cheri MelloSent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:16 AMTo: Azores GenealogySubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" Yes, most of us now just use the modern spelling. It's a headache down the road when you get a few thousand people. Say the marriage says Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade, I enter Manuel da Sousa and Mariana da Trindade and I put in the marriage note field "married as Manoel da Souza and Marianna da Trindade."  De Da DoYeah, if we all used them, then the majority of Portuguese names would begin with the letter D! The De Da Do is really a surname prefix. In the above example I would enter the names like this:Given: Manuel daSurname: Sousaand for her:Given: Mariana da TrindadeSurname: Her surname is left blank. I can search by first name in my fully featured genealogy program, so it's not a problem at all.  Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada  On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:07 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:In your opinion, should I record all names with the “modern” spelling for ease of searching or will that only cause more confusion down the line?  Also, I’m thinking of eliminating the “de”, “da”, “do” since it seems to cause problems for my computer program, Familytree, when searching for people with several surnames.  Opinions? Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Leonor BertoniSent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:37 AMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s" Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one day they will see what frustration really is! On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our grandkids deal with that one! LOLCheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada  On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  wrote:I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc. On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong? Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Sam (Mazatlán, MX)  Virus-free. www.avast.com-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://group

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose Joaquimde Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria

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Terrific, thanks Cheri!On Feb 17, 2019 10:57 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:Here it is. You can also check the web board/forum/ archives too:
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Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 8:48 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:Bill;  Thank you for this information.  I never received an email from Cheri about this one.  I checked my spam folder but; it’s not in there either.  If you still have Cheri’s email can  you please forward it to me? I would love to have the names that Cheri provided. Cheri if you still have that information handy, I would really appreciate it if you could resend it. Many thanks to both of you, Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: bsei2816@gmail.comSent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:17 PMTo: Azores GenealogySubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with side note: Manoel, s of Jose Joaquimde Moura and Jacintha Umbelina, Santa Maria I once again give my vote of confidence to Cheri. I see that he married on 27 April 1928 and agree that she was 27 years old and with all the names Cheri provided.   It seems that his missed attempts to cross Ts results in dotted vowels after the Ts (see vinTE seTE, mil nove cenTOS, vinTE oiTO, and then again in her age vinTE seTE annos) Bill Seidler-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

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Ok, thanks Cheri. Sam (Camas, WA)

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You can find the women mentioned as beneficiaries in their husband's UPEC 
records too.

Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:03 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
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Susan;  The SPRSI was women only, right?  By chance does your book hold any 
record of my mom, Rose Coelho, nee Fraga?  I know my dad belonged to a 
fraternal organization but; not sure if my mom did or not.  I think, not. Sam 
(Mazatlán, MX) From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records Celeste has UPPEC death records I 
believe. I have the membership book from one councilvery small, #84 Warm 
Springs CA (now part of Fremont). You could call the main office and see if 
they have contact info for the council that was located where your ancestor 
lived. SPRSI has been taken in by Luso-American Life Insurance Society, 7080 
Donlon Way Suite 200,Dublin, CaWww.luso-American.org877-525-LUSO  I'd be 
interested to hear what you find out.  I have a hunch each of the councils were 
not organized with what they did with their membership rosters. I am just 
guessing from my experience with #84.  I took 84 membership book and their 
minutes to Salt Lake City and had them microfilmed some years back. Susan 
Vargas Murphy

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On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Celeste Perry had some, but I don't remember which ladies organization. 
Hopefully she'll answer soon.On Mar 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "lisahbskt via Azores 
Genealogy"  wrote:
Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?  
My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one time. 
Thank you! Lisa Caetano Harleyresearching Pico & Sao Jorge  -- 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

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If it doesn’t work, let me know where you run in to trouble.  Maybe, I’ll be 
able to help.  Good luck.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

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Celeste;  Not sure what version of FTM you have but; on mine here is how to do 
it.  
1.  Open FTM   
2. Click on “people” at the top of the page 
3. Go to the person you want to make the family group sheet for  
4. Click on “Publish” at the top of the page 
5.  Under “Publication Types” scroll down until “Relationships Report” is 
highlighted. 
6.  Double click on “Family Group Sheet”   
  On the right you can check various boxes depending on what you want included. 
 Once you have the report the way you want it go to the upper right hand corner 
and click on the far right icon (share).  Choose “export as pdf”  When the 
window pops up fill in whatever you want or fill in nothing and click on “ok”.  
In the window that opens make sure the top address field says This PC > 
Desktop; then in the bottom address bar name your file or just leave what is 
automatically filled in, just be sure you will remember what it is called and 
click on “Save” . 

Next:  1. Open your email program and fill in who the email is going to and the 
subject.
2. At the top of the page on the left, hopefully, it says “insert”. 
 Click on it.
3. There should be a paperclip icon or perhaps on your email 
program maybe it says “attachment” or some abbreviation of attachment.  Click 
on it.  It should open a window.  Make sure at the top of that window it shows 
the word “desktop”.  If it does not, scroll on the left until you see “Desktop” 
and highlight it.
3.  Scroll down until you see the name of the pdf you just created.
4.  Click on it.
5.  The pdf title should now show in the lower address bar.
6.  Click on “open”.

Your pdf file should now be attached to your email.  Just click “send” and 
you’ve done it.

Hope this helps, Sam

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] http://tombo.pt down again

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Jack;  I’m not Cheri but; thought you’d be interested to know that google 
translate does a very good job of translating the paragraph you have below.  
Sam in Camas, WA

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Slaves

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Thanks for this information Eric.  Very interesting... Sam (Camas, WA)
 
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>From the Wikipedia article on Portuguese Empire
Expansion of sugarcane in Madeira started in 1455, using advisers from Sicily 
and (largely) Genoese capital to produce the "sweet salt" rare in Europe. 
Already cultivated in Algarve, the accessibility of Madeira attracted Genoese 
and Flemish traders keen to bypass Venetian monopolies. Slaves were used, and 
the proportion of imported slaves in Madeira reached 10% of the total 
population by the 16th century.[21]   ( Many early settlers in the Azores, 
especially of the Donatary class came from Madeira)

 In 1557 the Chinese authorities allowed the Portuguese to settle in Macau, 
creating a warehouse in the trade of goods between China, Japan, Goa and 
Europe.[78][80]
As Portugal increased its presence along China's coast, they began trading in 
slaves. Many Chinese slaves were sold to Portugal.[81][82]Since the 16th 
century Chinese slaves existed in Portugal, most of them were Chinese children 
and a large amount were shipped to the Indies.[83] Chinese children were 
kidnapped in China, and through Macau were brought to Portugal and sold as 
slaves either in Macau or overseas.[84][85] Chinese prisoners were sent to 
Portugal, where they were sold as slaves, they were prized and regarded better 
than moorish and black slaves.[86]




The Tordesillas boundary between Spanish and Portuguese control in South 
America was then increasingly ignored by the Portuguese, who pressed beyond it 
into the heart of Brazil,[131] allowing to expand the territory to the west. 
Exploratory missions were carried out both ordered by the government, the 
"entradas" (entries), and by private initiative, the "bandeiras" (flags), by 
the "bandeirantes".[134] These expeditions lasted for years venturing into 
unmapped regions, initially to capture natives and force them into slavery, and 
later focusing on finding gold, silver and diamond mines.[135]


Eric Edgar 





On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

Beginning in 1500 with Cabral's journey into the Indian Ocean, trading centers 
were developed in Africa, the Red Sea, and South Asia. 
The map attached shows the Portuguese outposts around 1600. 
Slaves could have been purchased from any of these places and transported to 
the Azores.
I have a match with another Flores family. We both share backgrounds of Red Sea 
( Arabia, Iran), Northeast Africa, Sub Sahara Africa, West Asian, South Asian.

Eric Edgar
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Yes, DNA testing has shown people with African lineages.
Cheri

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Manita M  wrote:

This is very interesting.All my CCA records research are in the eastern part of 
Sao Miguel so perhaps that is why I've never seen an "escravo" but I may not 
have noticed it either as I'm still a newbie and not fully translating the 
records but just focusing on the dates, names and places.  I'm very curious to 
hear from others on this topic. Would the slaves have been "purchased" overseas 
and been brought to the Azores?  I'm assuming they mainly came from Northern 
Africa?I do know that at the time of settlement they brought slaves to help 
populate but I had assumed they would have become "free" once they got to the 
Azores.Hmmm.DNA-wise: Anyone with Azorean DNA must have some slave OR North 
African DNA. Of course anyone from Southern Portugal has some North African 
already mixed into them so that can also explain the DNA ethnic makeup, but 
back to slaves.I am assuming the slaves came from Africa?Yes, I'm well aware 
that there was white slavery too but those white slaves ended up in the 
Berbarian lands and in fact could be our pre-Azorean ancestors but that's 
another topic.I just wonder if these slaves were already in mainland Portugal 
or Madeira and then sent to the Azores or if they came to the Azores from 
Africa directly?Interesting topic and would love to hear from anyone with 
knowledge on this topic that could reference sources.On Sep 3, 2015 7:01 AM, 
"MaryAnn Santos"  wrote:

I've seen a number of references to slaves - "escravos" - in the CCA records. 
My research is primarily in São Miguel.
MaryAnn
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:29 AM, linda  wrote:



On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 8:53:17 PM UTC-7, manita.morgado wrote:
Slave?I've never seen or noticed that in a CCA records.  I guess it could have 
been there and I didn't realize. Really?How common would this have been?

As it happens, this week I've been going through early and mid 18th century 
baptismal and marriage records for Angra and Horta.  During this period and in 
these two cities, references to slaves are relatively common.   I jotted a few

[AZORES-Genealogy] FTM 2014 update works with windows 10

['Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi all;  Just wanted to update everyone on FTM 2014 and Windows 10.  The other 
day I noticed the Windows 10 start screen had changed a bit and my FTM 2014 
program was show with a drop down menu, which was different than before.  I 
took a chance and clicked on it.  An FTM 2014 update was offered free to me 
which I accepted and lo and behold, it now works with Windows 10.  Yippee!!  
Just thought I'd let everyone know.
Happy Ancestor Hunting, Sam (Camas, WA)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] FTM Issue with Windows 10

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Hello all;  This may be a bit off subject but; since others are talking about 
FTM issues, I thought I would ask if anyone else has been unable to run FTM 
2014 with Windows 10.  From all that I have read and in contacting Nova 
Development and Ancestry.com, FTM 2014 is NOT compatible with Windows 10.  They 
say I would have to roll back to FTM 16 for it to work with Windows 10.  Not 
sure what I would lose in my records that are on FTM 2014 if I were to 
uninstall and reinstall FTM 16 so, haven't done that.  I'm just curious if 
anyone has been successful in running FTM 2014 with Windows 10 and if anyone 
has any idea when/if they plan on doing FTM 2015? Thanks to all, Sam (Camas, WA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado from Velas, Sao Jorge and others from Sao Pedro on Terceira

['Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy]

Giselle;  Can you share the "few generations back" that you speak of?  I also 
have Machado's from Ilha de Sao Jorge as I'm sure many others on this list do 
as well.  Have you done the Family Finder test with Family Tree DNA?  Many of 
us have and find connections that way.
Best of luck, Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Cheri Mello 
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 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:24 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Machado from Velas, Sao Jorge and others from Sao 
Pedro on Terceira
   
Repost for Giselle Marie Wolff, gigimwolff at gmail.com

Hi. I am new to the forum. I live in Atlanta, but I do have Portuguese as my 
native language. I descend from a Manoel Machado born in Velas, Ilha de São 
Jorge, Açores. He married Maria Rosa on 24 Apr 1740 in Santa Luzia, Ilha 
Terceira, Açores. Maria Rosa  was born in São Pedro, Ilha Terceira, Açores. I 
have a few generations back, too. I was just wondering if there are many people 
of Azorean descent here in the US. Other names that show up for me are 
Fagundes, Fernandes, Nunes, Alves and Albernaz. All in the Azores Islands. I 
also have a lot of mainland Portuguese and Germans on my father's side. I was 
hoping to find some lost cousins one day!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NY Times article on Portuguese Diaspora

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Thanks for sharing.  Sure makes me wish I had been perceptive enough to truly 
thank my grandparents when they were still alive! Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Rosemarie Capodicci 
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 Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 10:29 AM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NY Times article on Portuguese Diaspora
   
Thought you might like to read this article from the NY Times. Just copy and 
past into your browser. 
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/world/europe/azores-diaspora-holy-christ-of-miracles.html?_r=2&referrer

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

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What a great community this is.  Thanks Bob.  I'll do the research.  :-) Sam 
(Camas, WA)
 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
Hi SamI know this does not help you where you live, but here is a list of the 
Festa up and down the state of CA.  they might have one in your area, it would 
just mean some more research.  Good luck Thank you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciosa for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil for 
Evangelho In a message dated 5/24/2015 6:07:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
azores@googlegroups.com writes:


  Ok, now I get it.  Interesting,.  I'll have to see if they hold any festa 
nearby our new location.  Thanks Cheri!     Sam (Camas, WA)
 
 From: Cheri Mello 
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
 
Sam,

 I think it depends on the location. Many auction off some of the Portuguese 
sweets, pastries, and sweet bread. I've seen wine and other adult beverages. 
I've seen birds, quilts, and other handmade items. Some that are more rural 
will auction off a calf or other farm animals. It may be different in different 
locations, too.

 Cheri
 
 

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   Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people happen to 
want to sell?    Just curious...     Sam (Camas, WA)
 
 From: Cheri Mello 
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:22 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
 
From time to time, I get asked this question.
"What is a festa?"

So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat on 
the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes, there may 
be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day. On the day of 
the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony, flag raising, or 
organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out and many times there 
is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will be served, followed by 
auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and singing for entertainment. 
Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held. 

That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other 
customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community, it's 
worth investigating.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

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Thanks John, I'll "google" it.  :-)  Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: John Vasconcelos 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
Sam
I think there may be Portuguese communities in Southwestern Idaho
John Vasconcelos



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Ok, now I get it.  Interesting,.  I'll have to see if they hold any festa 
nearby our new location.  Thanks Cheri! Sam (Camas, WA)
 
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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
Sam,

I think it depends on the location. Many auction off some of the Portuguese 
sweets, pastries, and sweet bread. I've seen wine and other adult beverages. 
I've seen birds, quilts, and other handmade items. Some that are more rural 
will auction off a calf or other farm animals. It may be different in different 
locations, too.

Cheri



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Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people happen to 
want to sell?    Just curious... Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Cheri Mello 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:22 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
>From time to time, I get asked this question.
"What is a festa?"

So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat on 
the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes, there may 
be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day. On the day of 
the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony, flag raising, or 
organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out and many times there 
is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will be served, followed by 
auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and singing for entertainment. 
Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held. 

That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other 
customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community, it's 
worth investigating.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

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Ok, now I get it.  Interesting,.  I'll have to see if they hold any festa 
nearby our new location.  Thanks Cheri! Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Cheri Mello 
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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
Sam,

I think it depends on the location. Many auction off some of the Portuguese 
sweets, pastries, and sweet bread. I've seen wine and other adult beverages. 
I've seen birds, quilts, and other handmade items. Some that are more rural 
will auction off a calf or other farm animals. It may be different in different 
locations, too.

Cheri



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Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people happen to 
want to sell?    Just curious... Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Cheri Mello 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:22 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
>From time to time, I get asked this question.
"What is a festa?"

So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat on 
the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes, there may 
be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day. On the day of 
the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony, flag raising, or 
organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out and many times there 
is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will be served, followed by 
auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and singing for entertainment. 
Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held. 

That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other 
customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community, it's 
worth investigating.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?

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Auctions, really?  What do they auction, just various stuff people happen to 
want to sell?    Just curious... Sam (Camas, WA)
 
  From: Cheri Mello 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 4:22 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a festa?
   
>From time to time, I get asked this question.
"What is a festa?"

So here it is from my point of view in California. They may vary somewhat on 
the East Coast, in Canada, in Hawaii, and the Azores.

Most festas (FESH-tahs) are feast days in honor of saints. Sometimes, there may 
be a rosary said nightly in the week leading up to the feast day. On the day of 
the festa, there is usually some type of opening ceremony, flag raising, or 
organizers greeting each other. The saint is brought out and many times there 
is some type of procession. A Mass is said. Food will be served, followed by 
auctions, with band concerts, folk dancing, and singing for entertainment. 
Sometimes, in the evening, a dance will be held. 

That's the basic overview of what goes on. Depending on the festa, other 
customs may be involved. If you are anywhere near a Portuguese community, it's 
worth investigating.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898

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John, By chance, do you have the parents of Francisco Coelho?  Thanks, Sam, 
Camas, WA
p.s. It has been pointed out to me that I should have said my grandfather was 
from Feterias, Santa Maria since Vila do Porto is the municipality that covers 
all of Santa Maria.  
 
  From: J Stephen Bentz 
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 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898
   
Sam - will be glad to share info on MWC's ancestors. Don't have much yet, but 
we will continue to dig into the online data.



   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898

['Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy]

Rich;  Apologies for the delay in responding.  We are leaving the country the 
day after Thanksgiving, therefore; I am fixing Thanksgiving Dinner for the 
extended family tomorrow.  Today has been a busy day!  ;-)   Can you tell me 
more about which of your wife's ancestors with the Soares surname are from 
Santa Maria?  I don't think I have any Alves Soares Arvilla (Maybe Avilla?) in 
my line but; would be glad to try and help if you can give me a little more 
information.  Names, dates, villages, etc.
All the best, Sam in Camas, WA  (Soon heading down to Mazatlan, MX)
 
  From: Rich Mueller 
 To: azores@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:26 AM
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration from Santa Maria - 1898
   
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{}#yiv5869340253 Sam, I hope I am not asking too much of you.  My wife’s 
father’s name is surname is Soares and I am struggling getting beyond his 
father’s birth certificate information.  Her Grandfather is listed as John 
Alves Soares dob 11Dec1901 dod 31May1956 in Honolulu.  His father (GGF) is 
listed as Alves Soares Arvilla – no stats., mother (GGM) is Amilia Rapoza.  Is 
there any connection?  From what I can determine someone is from Madeira and 
others are listed as Santa Maria.  The GGF is an enigma.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.   E malama ponoRich“Each morning we are born again.  What 
we do today is what matters most." ~Buddha      

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Sam Koester]

Joao, I'm confused because when I type mundia.com into my browser, I get a 
genealogy site that is an Ancestry.com site only the "basic" info. is free.  
For any other info. you have to pay up, just like Ancestry.  Sam in Maz


>
> From: João Ventura 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Cc: Bill Boyd  
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker
> 
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Yes, this is what annoys me about the "Great Paywall of Ancestry.com". There 
>was recent discussion here in the group about a public library-sponsored 
>research that's going into Ancestry.com, and nobody flinched at the fact that 
>all this content will be "offered" to them for resale to other members.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Sam Koester]

I should have remember this.  Thanks for the clarification.  Sam in Maz


>
> From: Eileen Leite 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>
>In some fortunate baptism entries there is a note in the margin that gives the 
>marriage info. As I understand it, sometimes contact was made with the church 
>of baptism when a person got married, to confirm they were indeed baptized in 
>the church and to assure they were not married before. I have seen such 
>entries in Irish-American parishes.  Or the entry might be made later, I don’t 
>know for what purpose. The word “Casou” is your tip! 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Sam Koester]

Richardo,  There are many Manuel Rochas married in Fall River in 1910.  Can you 
give us more information to go on.  Also, how can a birth record tell 
when/where someone was married?  Sam in Maz


>
> From: Ricardo Chaves 
>To: Azores Geneolagy  
>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:08 PM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records
> 
>
>
>Hi All, 
>
>
>in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the 
>United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just 
>checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year 
>subscription for 30$.
>
>
>I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was married 
>in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G Grandfather.
>
>
>What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites 
>offering these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I wonder 
>if there are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?
>
>
>cheers
>
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anton Souza Santos

[Sam Koester]

  How about:  Fighting Fire
>
>
>Really, you weren't supposed to fight a fire???
>
>
>Sam in Maz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paleography and Handwriting

[Sam Koester]

Cheri;  They write like I do!  


>
> From: Cheri Mello 
>To: Azores Genealogy  
>Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 6:59 PM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paleography and Handwriting
> 
>
>
>Many times we lament at how hard it is to read the Portuguese handwriting.  
>It's not that it's in Portuguese.  It's the script of the time period.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site

[Sam Koester]

Eileen;  So very well stated.  All I can add is, thank you, thank you, thank 
you to the kind and generous people at the CCA!  Sam in Maz


>
> From: Eileen Leite 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] California Marriage Record from 1899

[Sam Koester]

Cheri;  I've gone to: http://goo.gl/m90RHP  to find my parents marriage and it 
did not come up.  Apparently, they do not have all the marriages recorded... ?? 
 Sam in Maz


>
> 
>"Then you will see the link for California, County Marriage, 1850-1952.
>Here's the direct link: http://goo.gl/m90RHP";
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A tip working with FTDNA Trees

[Sam Koester]

Richard,  This is SO helpful!  Many thanks, Sam in Maz


>
>From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
>To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:01 PM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A tip working with FTDNA Trees
>
>
>
>In working with the Family Trees posted on Family Tree DNA here is a tip on 
>determining relations.
> 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A tip working with FTDNA Trees

[Sam Koester]

Richard,  This is SO helpful!  Many thanks, Sam in Maz


>
> From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
>To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:01 PM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A tip working with FTDNA Trees
> 
>
>
>In working with the Family Trees posted on Family Tree DNA here is a tip on 
>determining relations.
> 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares / Resendes (Santo Antonio Alem Capelas)

[Sam Koester]

Hi Richardo,  Thank you for your quick response to my query.  Yes, I am 
positive that my grandmother. Maria Filomena Tavares do Rego was born in Santa 
Maria, so, she is not the one you are looking for.  She does have the surnames 
of Resendes and Chaves in her line though, so perhaps, someday we will find we 
are distantly related.  (So far, I have found no connection to Santo Antonio 
Alem Capelas)  Perhaps it is one of the other Resendes lines on Santa Maria 
that is in my lineage.

As for the dna test, you can order it online and I think they will send it to 
you in the Azores but; perhaps Cheri or one of the other administrators will 
chime in here and answer that question.  If it is possible for you to do it, I 
would highly recommend you do the Family Finder test from Family Tree DNA and 
join the Azores Group on that site.

Best wishes to you in your journey, Sam in Maz

 


>
> From: Ricardo Chaves 
>To: Azores Geneolagy  
>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares / Resendes (Santo Antonio Alem Capelas)
> 
>
>
>"Hi Sam,
>
>
>his name was Jose Tavares Resendes, and this great grandaunt from whose 
>descendants,
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>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares / Resendes (Santo Antonio Alem Capelas)

[Sam Koester]

I don't know how far San Antonio is from Vila do Porto but; my grandmother was 
Maria Filomena Tavares do Rego from Vila do Porto, Santa Maria and when she 
initially immigrated with her new husband, they went to family in Fall River, 
later settling in San Luis Obispo, CA where they also had family.  I know 
Resendes is a name somewhere in her lineage but; I haven't traced the 
connection as yet.  Possibly, we are connected in the distant past.  Have you 
done the FF DNA test?

Sam in Maz


>
> From: rchaves 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:02 AM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares / Resendes (Santo Antonio Alem Capelas)
> 
>
>
>Hello,
>
>
>I am looking for relatives possibly in the area of Fall River MA, descendants 
>of (guessing) Maria Resendes Furtado. I still am not sure, as I was unable to 
>confirm her name, either maiden Resendes or Tavares, or married Furtado. We 
>lost track of this family probably in the 1950's. This lady is my G 
>Grandfather's sister, Jose Tavares Resendes, and they were born in Santo 
>Antonio. She went to US before 1950 and she was born prior 1900. I am 
>researching this name (Tavares and Resendes) in Santo Antonio Alem Capelas. 
>Because I was given wrong information, I researched this line of the family 
>for over 2 years in the wrong Parish, Ribeira Grande. Only this year I got new 
>info that htey were from Santo Antonio, and that was "gold" as it dint took 
>long to find my G Grandfather. Anyone active in Santo Antonio?
>
>
>
>
>Thank you all.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Response

[Sam Koester]

Cheri;  Just an FYI, FTDNA is, at the very least, reading our emails requesting 
a return of the Geo Ancestral Origin button in one form or another.  They sent 
me a nice response to my email regarding the return of this as an option.

Sam

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site added Feterias and Ginetes records!

[Sam Koester]

Add two more feet for me!  Sam



 From: Denis Meals 
To: Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site added Feterias and Ginetes records!
 


Cheri:
Move over with your one foot -- Tish and I need room for our four feet in this 
common grave, waiting on Santa Maria.
Denis



On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

I am excited BUT rusty I have not really been looking at records since they 
stopped adding them in February lol
>
>
>
>On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
>
>I will email them and Thank them, I am not sure I don't remember
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>You guys want to email the CCA and thank them?  Profusely!  Otherwise, I may 
>>have one foot in the grave by the time to they upload Vila Franca, way 
>>down there in the Vs.  LOL  
>>>
>>>Where was Graciosa & Santa Maria in this uploading process?
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheri Mello
>>>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
>>>Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

[Sam Koester]

Yes, to both.  Sam



 From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff
 


OK, better start a separate thread for this even if the conference is 5 weeks 
away.

I'll take people's suggestions to the conference.

So far I have:
1) Population Finder bar under the Family Finder matches (opt in button)
2) Diacritics support on the Gedcoms

So, if you want 1 & 2, go ahead and say so.  Then I can come armed saying I 
have 25 people wanting these features!



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Using Family Finder to Triangulate

[Sam Koester]

Cheri;  Yes, this was definitely clearer.  I'll have to read it several times 
to get the most from it but; I do understand more what you were indicating in 
your first email.  The cm's number is something I've been wondering about and 
your explanation of the cm numbers below clarify somewhat the information I'm 
seeing on FTDNA.  I appreciate the time and effort you've put in to explain 
this to me and others.

Thanks much, Sam K



 From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Using Family Finder to Triangulate
 


Sam K,

I've been trying to think of someway to make this more clear (in an email).  
It's hard with just the written word where I can't point things out and hear 
you say "huh, what?" and have the give and take that's needed for me to make 
this clear.  Not to mention that this is the first time I've tried to explain 
triangulation in an email and so it was about as clear as mud.

The "Relation" is a formula (or maybe more than one) that the geneticists or 
their statisticians use to calculate if you are 2C (2nd cousin), 3C (3rd 
cousin) etc.

A parent and child will share over 3000 cMs total with the longest block in the 
200 cM range (A cM is a centoMorgan which is a genetic unit of measure, like an 
inch or centimeter - but it's microscopic, of course).  1st cousins can have a 
total of cMs that range from the upper hundreds to a little bit over 1000 cMs 
and the longest block would be somewhere in the 100s of cMs.  2nd cousins share 
a different amount of DNA, around the 200 total cM range with the longest block 
being 30s or 40s.  I don't have all the numbers or the math formulas.  I'm just 
looking at peoples pages who have identified their 1st and 2nd cousins and 
giving you the ranges I see.

And it would help if I didn't mistype things in the chart!  So here's the chart 
with the 3rd cousin typo fixed!


 Ancestor Total cMs Longest Relation 
George M. Anto - Vic 155.04 26.37 2C 
Cheri M. Anto - Vic 70.49 23.03 3C 
Todd B. Anto - Vic 58.25 20.4 3C 
Shirley A. Anto - Anto 49.44 16.36 4C 
Gail E. Anto - Franco 26.03 10.16 Remote 
Paul S. Anto - Jose ? 19 
 
As the number of total cMs and as the longest block of cMs deceases, the more 
distant the relationship is.  The more distant the relationship, the less 
common ancestors you have.  Or maybe I should say string of ancestors.  My line 
is Antonio - Victorino - Luiz.  Todd's line is Antonio - Victorino - Ursula.  
Because Todd and I have more cMs in common with this fellow who has the pai 
incognito, I believe that this man comes from Antonio - Victorino.  

My dad, George, has about 155 total cMs in common with this man and I have 
about 70 cMs.  That's close to getting about half my dad's DNA.  What's 
interesting is that the longest block of 26 or 23 cMs.  My dad has the block of 
26 cMs but passed down most of that block in tact to me (23 cMs).  

The reality though is that the match and the genetics can't predict human 
nature.  My dad's DNA is kinda messed up.  His grandparents were double first 
cousins**, so my dad got a double dose of what amounts to the same DNA.  My 
dad's DNA probably should be more like mine - in the 70 cM and 20 something cM 
range.  And mine should be different.  But that's not what played out.  We got 
cousins marrying, so we get what we get!


Once you start getting a cluster of matches around a particular ancestor, you 
will see the pieces fall into place.  It takes time to figure this out.  First 
you have to find the right people (or not find them - I asked earlier this 
summer for anyone who have my Antonio & Constancia in their tree to contact me 
and no one did, but Todd tested who did NOT know he had Antonio & Constancia in 
his tree).  Then this has to be pieced together.  Todd had 2 or 3 generations 
to bridge before I connected him.  Because Shirley Allegre has this couple, 
because I have the Insulana book, because the marriages we needed were on the 
CCA site, we were able to connect Todd up in only a few days.  The man with the 
pai incognito will take longer.  Probably a few years before everything starts 
to become clear.

** Double first cousins: They share BOTH sets of grandparents in common.  With 
DNA, we get 50% of our DNA from mom and dad, and 25% from each of our 
grandparents.  Our grandparents are usually 4 unrelated individuals.  With 
double first cousins, there are only 2 completely different families.  I'll 
make a separate email with this (gotta figure out a diagram in an email).

Was this any more clear?  If not, I'll think some more and try to figure out a 
better way to say this.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Using Family Finder to Triangulate

[Sam Koester]

Cheri, Maybe it's just me but; I don't see the relationship between Total 
"cMs", "Longest" and how the "Relation" is reached?  Can you clarify the 
process for me?

Sam, "currently homeless and wandering the western U.S.)

aportu...@yahoo.com



 From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy  
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Using Family Finder to Triangulate
 


Definition of triangulation from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
A method of finding a distance or location by measuring the distance 
between two points whose exact location is known and then measuring the 
angles between each point and a third unknown point.

Cheri's tweak for genealogy and DNA:
A method of finding a common ancestor by analyzing the DNA between two paper 
trail descendants of the common ancestor and then using that information to 
figure out the 3rd descendant.

This can be done with anyone.  I just chose this one because it's hard.  This 
person, in the example below, does NOT know his paternal ancestry.  Think "pai 
incognito."  And my dad, whose grandparents are double first cousins, has DNA 
that's probably a bit misleading.  Look at the chart below (hope this works):


 Ancestor Total cMs Longest Relation 
George M. Anto - Vic 155.04 26.37 2C 
Cheri M. Anto - Vic 70.49 23.03 4C 
Todd B. Anto - Vic 58.25 20.4 3C 
Shirley A. Anto - Anto 49.44 16.36 4C 
Gail E. Anto - Franco 26.03 10.16 5C
 
Paul S. Anto - Jose ? 19 
 
Everyone in the chart comes from Antonio and Constancia.  I abbreviated that as 
Anto.  Everyone in the chart also has a paper trail back to Antonio.  But we 
come through different sons.  My dad, George, me, and Todd B, come through the 
son, Victorino.  Shirley comes through the son, Antonio.  Gail comes through 
the son Francisco.  Paul tested with another company, so I put him at the 
bottom.  When he tests with FTDNA, I'll rerun the chart.

So the man whose DNA is "pai incognito" is coming from Antonio, through his son 
Victorino.  As more descendants from Victorino test, we'll figure out who the 
next generation is.

The triangulation part:  My dad (George), me, and Todd are the 3 that descend 
from Victorino that is tying this man with a "pai incognito" into our tree.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 15 Seniors Free 1 week trip to mainland Portugal if you have not been there in past 20 years

[Sam Koester]

Terrific, if only I were a Portuguese citizen...

BTW;  Should anyone wish to contact me directly, my new email is:  
aportu...@yahoo.com    We have sold our California home and are wondering the 
U.S. for the next few months.  Currently, exploring the Vancouver, WA area.  
Beautiful!



 From: "E" Sharp" 
To: azores  
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 15 Seniors Free 1 week trip to mainland Portugal if 
you have not been there in past 20 years
 


Unfortunately for me, I cannot apply as I have been there quite a few times in 
the past years but hope some other listmember(s) 65+ can be one of the lucky 15.
 
http://portuguese-american-journal.com/travel-the-2013-portugal-no-coracao-edition-is-open-for-seniors-portugal/
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria connection

[Sam Koester]

Hello all, I just had to share my happiness at finding a new connection on
Family Finder.  I have written to various people from the Family Finder
results page with almost no results and today I sent out another email and
was almost instantly rewarded with a response.  The person in question is
currently on vacation but; when she returns home we will pursue our
connection and just that little bit of progress is making me to the
genealogical happy dance!  (It doesn't take much, does it? )  BTW, she
was born in the village of my paternal grandparents so, I'm really excited!
Sam in Calif

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Sam Koester]

Liz, Here you go:  Address: 2745 Eastern Avenue, Sacramento, California
95815

§  The Sacramento Family History Center is located on the west side of
Eastern Avenue behind the LDS Sacramento East Stake Center.

Sam in Calif

§   

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Migliori
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:49 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay
area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

I have s friend that wants to start to research is family.  They are
Filipino and live in Sacramento so I need to get the address of the Family
History Library there in Sacramento to guide them to.  

If someone could send me that info I would be greatly appreciative.

Liz

 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:51 AM,  wrote:

Unfortunately, as you well know, this sometimes happens.

 

You two are probably the most helpful to new members and people might not
realize how much time it takes to do all that research. They can take it for
granted. 

 

These days, it's it not so uncommon for people to get their ancestry handed
to them on a silver platter, with websites like Neps and the fact we all
have so many distant relatives we find.

 

Twenty years ago, such things were rare.

 

I suppose there is always the chance it also helped others who will find
your research valuable in the future.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area,
bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
From: "\"E\" Sharp" 
Date: Wed, July 24, 2013 9:25 am
To: azores 

Would be nice to know that the hours we spent researching for him/her were
of some use. 

 

"E"


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:10 AM, eric edgar  wrote:

No, I've had no response on this from the original poster, 

 

ERic Edgar

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Sam Koester]

Tish;  This is great.  Thanks for the heads up, Sam

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tish M
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:26 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

Shirley,

I don't know if you are interested but there is a free ebook on the internet
on the History of Washington Township you might be interested in viewing.

 

History of Washington Township, Alameda County, California ...
 

Tish
On Sunday, July 14, 2013, Shirley Allegre wrote:

Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are
several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto,
Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission
San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.  

 

Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

 

Shirley in CA

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Sharp 

To: azores   

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census

Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born
2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer

wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA

ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA

  Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA

   

 

I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:

Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909

wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores

ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

 

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
able to find her birth record somewhere.

 

Elaine

 




 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Sam Koester]

No, I don't believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I'm pretty sure
Warm Springs was.

 

Sam in Calif.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are
several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto,
Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission
San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.  

 

Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

 

Shirley in CA

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From:   "E" Sharp 

To: azores   

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census

Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born
2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer

wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA

ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA

  Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA

   

 

I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:

Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909

wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores

ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

 

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
able to find her birth record somewhere.

 

Elaine

 




 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching De Frega,

[Sam Koester]

Shirley, John, et al;  Just wanted to chime in to say my de Fraga ancestors
are from San Tiago, Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge so there is a contingent of
Fragas from there as well.  I have an aunt who was named Filomena (Minnie)
Lucille Fraga but; the time frame and her spouse's name are not correct for
Shirley's people.  Sam in California

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
John Vasconcelos
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:18 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching De Frega,

 

Welcome Shirley,

First off, the original spelling of your grandmother's family name was most
likely Fraga or de Fraga. Immigration officials are noted for mispelling
names of immigrants.  Your post caught my eye since I have Fraga ancestors
from the island of Flores. The Fraga surname is also common on the Island of
Corvo but is also known to occur on other islands of the Azores.

I would recommend that you follow the procedures recommended by Cheri. Any
other names and dates you might be able to dig up from  family sources that
you could post might be helpful in case any of us on the list might
recognize them.

Regards,

John Vasconcelos. 

.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Shirley Collenette
 wrote:

Trying to find when my grandmother's family came to California, settling in
Alameda, California, My grandmother was born around 1898 in Alameda from
Azorean parentage.

Appreciate any leads in the way of what island from the Azores, how I find
boat lists or passport info. Thank you!

Shirley Collenette

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Picture of Azores Whalers

[Sam Koester]

E, Thanks for sharing this.  Love the pictures and the article as well.
Especially the story about Jose Silveira Jorge who fell into the whale's
mouth.  If you haven't already, be sure to click on the link highlighted in
the story.  Incredible!  Sam in California

 

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"E" Sharp
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:07 AM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Picture of Azores Whalers

 

I received this from National Geographic Daily News.  Great article and
wonderful pictures.  Be sure to go to the 2nd (next) page to see more
pictures. Maybe some of the people are your family members?

 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/pictures/130613-azores-whale
rs-culture-history-marine-science/#
 

 

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Broadside teaching 19th-century penmanship.

[Sam Koester]

If only they HAD written that way instead of the running of words together,
lack of punctuation and overlapping letters! LOL!  Thanks for the link
though Katharine.  Beautiful penmanship there!  Sam (currently in CA)

 

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:17 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Broadside teaching 19th-century penmanship.

 

For anyone who's ever gotten frustrated trying to decipher the flourish-y
penmanship in Azorean baptismal, marriage or death registos, and other old
documents -- which I'd imagine is a goodly percentage of this group's
membership!  Katharine.

"How That Nineteenth-Century Handwriting Got So Pretty":
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/05/17/handwriting_broadside_teachi
ng_the_spencer_method_of_cursive.html?wpisrc=obnetwork

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digital Book on Genetic Structure of Flores Island, Azores

[Sam Koester]

Cindy;  I'm not technically savvy but; you should be able to read the book
on your computer/laptop/etc.  I have a Kindle but; can also read my books on
my laptop.  I have however; downloaded to my computer the free Kindle
reading app.  I think you could also download the Adobe reader and then be
able to read it.  Check back on the Amazon site as I think they have links
explaining about ebooks and edocs and what you need to be able to open them.
Good luck, Sam in CA

 

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Cindy D
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digital Book on Genetic Structure of Flores
Island, Azores

 

 

Ok, I'll admit it, I'm finally behind the times on computer stuff.  Today I
bought a book that sounded interesting and cheap on Amazon:

*   Genetic structure of Flores island (Azores, Portugal) in the 19th
century and in the present day: evidence from surname analysis.: An article
from: Human Biology
 

Cristina Santos, Augusto Abade, Jordi Cantons, Francine M. Mayer, M. Pilar
Aluja, Manuela Lima

 

It said download http digital...so I assumed I could download it to my
computer and open it up..eh, apparently not.  Do I need an e-reader to
view this?? Is there a way I can view it with a normal computer?   I'm
guessing the book will be way over my head anyway, but I'd still like to
peek at it.

 

Cindy D

blowing in the wind in Kansas

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Sam Koester]

Love to know the answer to that question also.

 

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p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:25 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

I was just looking again at the Chromosome Browser for Family Finder and
picked someone I believe is on this list - Vivian Christy.

 

For my father, there are 11 shared segments between us. Some are slivers
only maybe 2 or 3 cM wide. And if it weren't for the fact there is at least
one larger than 7 cM wide, she wouldn't even show as a match.

 

So we know that the larger the block, the closer the relative. So here's my
question:

 

Is there any reason to think that each of these 11 shared segments isn't
representing 11 separate ancestors between us? The narrow ones might be
common ancestors from 800 years ago, while the largest one might be 400
years ago.

 

In other words, I think each separate segment is a separate ancestor. Can
anyone explain why not? Am I right?

 

For the benefit of anyone unable to follow this conversation with their own
Family Finder kit, I am pasting in this graphic. Each of the orange bars is
a segment marking where we match. I hope it shows up:

 

 

Obrigado.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

 

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results
From: 
Date: Wed, May 08, 2013 4:26 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Here is my theory on how to understand the results of the Family Finder DNA
test from ftdna.com.

 

Feel free to add your own comments and punch holes in my theory. I would
appreciate anything that helps me understand it better.

 

What they abbreviate as cM are called "centiMorgan" and they define it as
this:

 

A centiMorgan (cM) is a measurement of how likely a segment of DNA is to
recombine from one generation to the next. A single centiMorgan is
considered equivalent to a 1% (1/100) chance that a segment of DNA will
crossover or recombine within one generation.

For humans, one million base pairs (bp) average about one centiMorgan.
However, the rate of recombination is highly variable.

 

I don't fully understand that, but what I think is that we can look at them
as a representation of a person. When using the Chromosome browser, you will
notice that you can choose the size of the cM block as either 1+ or 5+ or
10+ and this simply let's you decide how close or remote the matches you
have and want to look at. If I choose people with only a 10+ cM block of
DNA, that will eliminate a lot of the entire list of matches I can view.

 

If I view a person who matches me in any way, most of the time there are
more than one block of cM. It is my theory that this DNA came from one of my
ancestors and so each tiny bit of cM is representing one ancestor. The
larger the block, the closer the ancestor to present time. It's a closer
relation to the person I match.

 

The closest match other than a sibling would be to a parent. I have a total
of 3382.22 shared cM with my father and the longest solid block of this cM
is 267.21. I would love to hear from anyone who has tested a parent/child
combo to see if my exact number is the same as yours. I suspect that if it
were possible for me to test my mother, I would have slightly more or
slightly less than for my father. If anyone has tested both parents and
child, that would answer that question.

 

My next closest match is as a 2nd cousin and I have 204.60 total cM in
common with 23.64 as the longest block. If I had a first cousin tested, I
would guess that I might share about 500-1000 shared cM and the longest
block about 50-100 cM. If anyone has a match with a 1st cousin, I would love
to hear what the numbers really are.

 

After that, my next match is to a 5th cousin. We share a total of 50.96 cM
and our longest block is 10.48.

 

The next are a couple of relatives (father/son) which we have decided to
list as 6th cousins, since there is nothing more remote to choose from. I
believe they are actually 8th cousins. We share ancestors from Terceira and
both of us have done extensive research and know all ancestors back to the
1500s on most lines. For the father, I have 46.35 total shared cM and for
the son I have 47.94 cM. I can't explain why I have more from the son than
the father, but that's what the results say. It might have to do with the
above definition of cM in which there are variables in how it's formed. But
for each of them I have exactly 19.53 as my longest block.

 

I didn't realize until now that Mike Gilfilian doesn't show as my cousin -
only for my father, despite the fact we are 5th cousins. I suppose it means
I didn't inherit enough of our common ancestor's DNA for this to show. Maybe
if I were to test one of my siblings, they would have that DNA I didn't get.
If anyone has tes

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Sam Koester]

Hi Shirl;  It's E that earned your thanks as she is the first one to post
the link.  Interesting story though..

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirl Sereque
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:59 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

Thanks, Sam,  I read the article online and found it interesting!

- Shirl -

 

  _  

From: Sam Koester 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

Humph, interesting.  What's that song?  WE ARE FAMILY.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:48 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

The Sacramento Bee newspaper today, May 8, 2013 Page A8 there is a very
interesting article  that "Europeans appear to be more closely related than
previously thought. Scientists compared DNA samples from different parts of
the continent and found that most had common ancestors living just 1000
years ago." etc.  

"E"

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

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Humph, interesting.  What's that song?  WE ARE FAMILY.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:48 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

The Sacramento Bee newspaper today, May 8, 2013 Page A8 there is a very
interesting article  that "Europeans appear to be more closely related than
previously thought. Scientists compared DNA samples from different parts of
the continent and found that most had common ancestors living just 1000
years ago." etc.  

"E"

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Sam Koester]

Doug,  This is indeed interesting.  I find that Helen Cunha Kerner, Manuel
Soares Cunha, Richard Greene and I have an almost exact match to each other
with a Nelson Rios sharing the tiniest bit of the same match.
Unfortunately, none of these people have posted their gedcoms but; Helen and
Manuel both appear to have common surnames with me in the same villages so,
that undoubtedly is the connection.  Thanks for alerting us to this valuable
tool.

 

Helen, Manuel; are you out there?  Helen, I think we have emailed previously
but; maybe we need to work harder at finding our connection.  Sam in CA

 

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p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

 

I have been studying the chromosome browser tool found on Family Finder
results and realize that's what they were talking about when they did the
updates to the new and better DNA results in early February.

 

If you have had the Family Finder test and having used this browser, I think
you'll really find it valuable.

 

For instance, Mike Gilfilian, one of our list members, is a 4th cousin, once
removed for my father (and 5th cousin to me). Since we have no other common
ancestors and share only Piedade, Pico as our common village, it's a great
place to start with these comparisions on this browser. You'll really need
to look at this browser to follow me on this. No way you'll understand this
message otherwise, I don't think.

 

When I click on Mike's name and compare his DNA to my father's, the places
that are colored are the exact locations and exact DNA that we both share.

 

When I also click others of our matches, most of the time we don't find more
matches to this exact segment of DNA where Mike and I match. But there is
one case where another person does also match that same exact DNA and that's
the amazing value of this browser. Since I know the exact place Mike and I
match, anyone else who matches there must have these same exact ancestors.
There is no way around it. It pinpoints it for this third person.

 

I found two more people whose DNA matches this same DNA as Mike and I share.
It's not 100% the same, but most of it is the same. What I mean is that the
colored sections that represent each person is longer for one than for
another. I suppose it means the ancestors we all share didn't always pass
all their DNA on to each of us in the same amounts.

 

So the surprise to me is just who these other people are. One is my friend
with a lot of Sao Roque do Pico ancestry. I know all his ancestors for all
four of his grandparents and I never would have suspected him to match me
with these Piedade ancestors that Mike and I share. Since he also has a lot
of Lajes do Pico ancestry, that might be how this happened. I'm guessing
that some branch of his Lajes ancestry came over from Piedade before the
records of Lajes now exist (so they came over in maybe the 1600s).

 

Or maybe it's the opposite and some branch of my and Mike's Piedade ancestry
came over from Lajes to Piedade before Piedade's records started (also in
the 1600s).

 

Looking at the ancestry of this 4th person who matches, they also have a lot
of south side Pico ancestors. So due to this and for other other reason I've
ever been giving from existing records, I believe this part of my Piedade
ancestry must trace back to older Lajes area families. And I have some leads
now on just who they might link to in the middle or early 1600s when there
are no church records anymore for Lajes.

 

Aside from that, I did notice several cases of other matches we have where a
third person was an exact match to someone else. If you have many matches
and not all are know just how, this could quite possibly lead you to the
answer.

 

I'd love to hear what others find when using this chromosome browser.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help on passporte

[Sam Koester]

Dano, Richard and Terri, thank you so much for your help!  Terri; many, many
thanks for the line by line breakdown and translation. This is exactly what
I was hoping for!

 

This grandfather went back to the Azores and dies there.  Wish I could find
information on his death!

 

Again, many, many thanks, Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Terri
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:04 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help on passporte

 

Hi Sam,

I have two of these also and sometimes the info is hard to read. This is
what I could get from your page; 

column 1-pg ...55

column 2-year. ...1904

column 3-month.. August

column 4-day...30

   '5-passport #.842

   '6-passenger #...1762

   '7-name..Jose Soares Coelho

   '8-affiliation (parents)..Jose Soares and Jacinta Coelho

   ''9-marital status...single

   '10-age21

   ' 11-concelho..Villa ?

   ' 12-freguesia.Santa Barbara

'13-occupation...trabalhador (worker)

'14-can read & write.no

'15-destination..America

   ' 

 

Hope this helps.   Good luck

 

Terri Santos, 

researching Vila Franca, Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes
On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:30:02 PM UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:

Hello everyone.  I am in need of some help please.  I found my grandfather's

passaporte.  He is the 4th one down and I believe it says he received it or 
applied for it on August 30th 1904.   
I don't know what the numbers in the next two columns pertain to.   
Then it has his name "Jose Soares Coelho".   
Next, I believe are his parents, "Jose Soares and Jacintha Coelho".   
Then ditto marks (I don't know what is being dittoed. 
Then the number 21 (no idea what that refers to) 
then I think it says Villa something. 
Then it has dittos for both, I believe, Sao Barbara and trabador (worker) 
and lastly two more columns with dittos under, I think it is, "nao" (no) and

America.   

If SKS could fill in the blanks as well as tell me what the different ditto 
marks, numbers, etc. refer to I would greatly appreciate it. 

BTS other documents have his parents with various names which compounded 
come out to be Jose Soares Cordeiro Figueiredo and Jacintha Umbelina Soares 
de Moura. 

Many thanks, Sam in CA 
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Family Bible Story

[Sam Koester]

E, Congratulations on receiving the family bible!  In my 
opinion, that is a special treasure to have.  Sure hope you 
can find a method to restore/preserve it!  Best of luck, Sam 
in CA

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>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:21:11 -0800
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)
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Family Bible Story  
>To: azores 
>
>   Today in the mail, we received my husband's Sharp
>   family bible.  It was given to his great
>   grandmother by her father in 1825.  She was born in
>   1812.  So we're assuming for her 13th
>   birthday. My husband's brother inherited the bible
>   from their father and his daughter, my husband's
>   niece who we have a great relationship with
>   just sent it to us.  We have wanted this bible for
>   a long time as my brother in law had only daughters
>   and we have male Sharp descendants that we want to
>   pass it along to.  There are some huge pressed
>   leaves, and what looks like ribbons from wedding
>   flowers and then some dried flowers also.  I guess
>   it could also be funeral flowers.  A postcard and
>   some pictures of women cut out of the newspaper. 
>    
>   Anyhow just wanted to say you never know what you
>   will inherit someday.  We are very thankful to have
>   it even though its condition is not the best.  Not
>   sure what we can do to try and have it restored it
>   but will look into it.
>    
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

[Sam Koester]

For the purpose of learning to translate these documents, could you provide
the link to the below translated document?  I would like to save both and
study them.  Thanks in advance, Sam in Maz (for one more day).

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dano
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

(The narrative is a little more elaborate than I have normally seen, so I
thought it best to just translate the entire document, so as not to leave
anything out). 

"On the morning of the sixth day of the month of October in the year one
thousand eight hundred and nineteen, in this parish church of the Apostle
Saint Peter, in the place of Nordestinho, having been posted here, and, in
the cathedral of Saint George, in the place of Nordeste, and, in the
affiliated chapels of these churches, the three banns of marriage in the
form ordered by the Sacred Council of Trent, and the diocese, having not
discovered any canonical impediment by the Ecclesistical Judge, I am
required by mandate of the magistrate of the District, Vicar Father Manuel
Joaquim Machado, to me, Eusebio Francisco de Sa Bettencourt, the witnesses
signed below, and, the many more other persons of this parish known to me,
and by the testement of the persons present at the Solemn marriage "em Facia
de Igreja," of Joaquim Teixeira, son of Manuel Teixeira and Mariana de
Pimentel, and, Maria de Pimentel, daughter of Manuel Furtado Soares, and
Maria de  Pimentel, baptized and having discharged their Lenten obligation
for the three past years in this same parish, having been examined in
Christian Doctrine and received the blessings in the form mandated by the
Church. For the record, I dated this event day month and year as above.
attested: Vicar Eusebio Francisco de Sa Betancourt; witness mark: Manuel da
Silva; witness mark: Joao Ignacio de Medeiros.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM att.

[Sam Koester]

Unfortunately, that’s the only way I can see to do it.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Marcio Borba
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:55 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM att.

 


Hmmm...

 

I do that. Than all the descendants show up and I hae to eliminate one by
one?

Marcio Borba 
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<http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com/> 

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De: Sam Koester 
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Terça-feira, 9 de Abril de 2013, 4:09

Marcio,  You could highlight Violante and then do a “person report” and then
choose “custom”, “individual” and choose the descendents from him to you.

 

Sam in Maz

 

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Marcio Borba
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:03 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM

 


I am trying to print a report starting on Violante Velho Cabral direclty to
me. I would like to print a report without siblings. I have FTM 2012.

Can someone please tell me how to do it?

 

Thank you,

Marcio Borba 
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<http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com/> 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM

[Sam Koester]

Marcio,  You could highlight Violante and then do a "person report" and then
choose "custom", "individual" and choose the descendents from him to you.

 

Sam in Maz

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question FTM

 


I am trying to print a report starting on Violante Velho Cabral direclty to
me. I would like to print a report without siblings. I have FTM 2012.

Can someone please tell me how to do it?

 

Thank you,

Marcio Borba 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site

[Sam Koester]

Yvonne;  As an ex-pat living in Mexico during the summers, I certainly agree
about the concept of time and its’ importance in different cultures.  I
think it is very hard for an American who has not experienced the lack of
regard for time commitments in certain other countries to fully comprehend
what it is like.  It simply is not important!  The saying here is that
“manaña” doesn’t mean tomorrow, it simply means, “not today”. i.e. sometime
in the future…

 

Sam in Maz

 

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yvonne domings
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:41 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site

 

I have a work project with the University and the Government of the Azores.
I'm eternally grateful for the support and for the passion they have for
connecting with people in the Azorean Regional Communities--it is truly
remarkable. So, I have no doubt that there is probably a commitment to
making these records available online at some point. However, I have come to
realize that the concept of time is very culturally based, and so Azorean
time is very different from our concept of time. This is true not only in
when things get done, but just in urgency of things in general. American's
are much more focused on the efficient use of time. Azoreans never worry
about when something will get done. It is quite stressful for me to work
with them at times, but I have learned that things do get done, just not in
any time frame that I think is reasonable. On a similar note, the first time
I went to the Azores in 2010, I noticed that clocks are rare. I have yet to
find a clock in the hotel rooms I have stayed in. However, the church bells
keep time to the hour, so that is another indication of the granularity of
times importance to the people (in my opinion). 

Yvonne

On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:53:03 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:

Have they added any records from other islands or something??? They haven't
added anything to Sao Miguel since Feb 18, at this rate Vila Franca do Campo
will be online is 2 or 3 years lol 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

[Sam Koester]

Ah, I just remembered Manuel Andrade's wife's name.  It was Annie.  Manuel
was a quiet guy and his brother, Ed was more outgoing.  Ed and my dad used
to make wine together.  We all lived on Curtner Rd.  The Lawrences, the
Enoes and John de Peak and his wife also lived on Curtner Rd.  (I guess we
were a Portuguese enclave!) L)L!

 

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Susan Vargas Murphy
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:57 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

 

Hello Lee and Tomas!

Lee, I was the one who wrote you about the cemetery!  I just saw these last
posts about your search.  I keep on thinking that your Trombus/Trambas name
is SO familiar to mebut now that I see Tomas Leal's reply to you, he
might have mentioned that name to me in our correspondence some time back. I
don't know..but I do know one thing. I am familiar with the Minnie
Andrade that married Jose Abreuand Sam, if you are reading, she was the
sister to the Manuel Andrade that you mention that lived on Curtner Road. My
maternal grandparents Maciel were very good friends of Manuel Andrade and so
I have a picture of that Andrade family of Warm Springs. I enterend them in
my genealogy program through a "far out" connection to my family because i
knew that my grandparents were fond of them. Lee...you have Minnie's
mother's maiden name as MacielI have her as Mary D. Maciel/Marciel...I
am not sure where I got the other spelling with the r. The father was Joseph
D. Andrade..I have a note that the D may have been Dutra as I found a
death record that looks like it might be his, but I am not sure  (remember I
am just keeping track of these people for fun:)  Anyway, John and Mary had
quite a few children.Joe, Minnie, John, Manuel, William, Ernest,
Mildred, Isabel, Alfred and Edward. Another connection of interest to me is
that John drowned in Moss Landing in 1927 with a friend who was my father's
first cousin. This is not the direction that you want to go, but it does add
a little more to the "story". 

 

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:24:31 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:

I fount a sister of Adelaide Andrade Mendonca yesterday and am
wondering/hoping someone may recognize any of the information/names below:

 

Rose Andrade Trombus/Trambas was born as early as 1864 (per her burial
information at findagrave.com & the 1920 census of Alameda County, CA)  or
as late as 1870 (per the 1910 census of Alameda County, CA.  She was married
to John Trombus/Tramas (born ca 1857 per the 1910 census and 1854 per his
burial information).  He stated that he immigrated in 1877 and she stated
1882 - have not been able to find either of them in passenger lists
anywhere.  Stated they had been married 28 years.

 

John died August 31, 1915 per cemetery records (Saint Francis Cemetery,
Freemont, CA) and Rose died October 12, 1932 (also buried at Saint Francis
Cemetery).

 

They had two daughters - Mary born ca 1883 (no further information yet); and
Rose born ca 1885 (per 1910 census) but per cemetery records she was born
October 12, 1888 and died January 15, 1941 (she was married Joe Abreu
(1897-1987); Joe and Rose are listed in 1940 census of Alameda County, CA
and both Rose and Joe are also buried in Saint Francis Cemetery.

 

Lee Estep, WV

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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

[Sam Koester]

Kathy, Ok, thanks for replying.  Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:33 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

 

Sam. I doubt that those folks are part of my Andrade family. One of my
grandfather's brothers was named Manuel. He was born in Decoto in 1893,
married Rose Rabello, and lived in the Decoto, Centerville (Fremont) area
until his death in 1954. I don't have an Edward or Leroy Andrade in my file.
Sorry.

 

Kathy

 

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Sam Koester  wrote:





Kathy, Out of curiosity only, my neighbors for many years were Manuel
Andrade, whose wife's name I can't remember at the moment and Ed Andrade who
was a single man until very late in life when he married the owner of our
local store in Fremont.  These Andrades lived on Curtner Road in Fremont, as
did I.  Manuel and his wife had a son, Leroy Andrade, who was a good friend
of my brother's.  Are you any relation to these Andrades?  Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:46 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

 

Hi Tomas

 

Unfortunately I haven't been following this conversation but I did see your
post regarding Andrades in Fremont. This MIGHT be your lucky day    :)
..because I am an Andrade from Fremont. I don't know if its the same
family you are looking for but I'd be happy to investigate it further with
you. If nothing else, perhaps we can work out which Andrades you can
eliminate from your search. 

 

Kathy 

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Tomas Leal < <mailto:tomasl...@comcast.net>
tomasl...@comcast.net> wrote:

Whew! So much wonderful information!! Yes, I show the second wife of Jose
Abreu to be Minnie Andrade. Unfortunately, Andrade is a very common name in
the Fremont area. I had been told by my father's first cousin--also a first
cousin to Jose Abrea and who knew him, Rose Trambas, and Minnie
Andrade--that there was an Andrade in the neighborhood that had some distant
relationship with me. Unfortunately, soon after I got started on tracing the
family tree, this cousin died. Her husband, however, knew many of these
people though his genealogical knowledge was sketchy. He died earlier this
year (at 98). His children, my second cousins, know some details and I will
contact them for more. They know Andrades, and one cousin still lives nearby
Fremont and may be helpful. BTW, I live only about 25 minutes away from
Fremont, so I can get down there and check around.

 

I'm so glad you were able to provide so many dates that I can use to fill in
more blanks on my tree! I'll keep digging away to see what else I can find.

 

Tomas Leal

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

[Sam Koester]

Kathy, Out of curiosity only, my neighbors for many years were Manuel
Andrade, whose wife's name I can't remember at the moment and Ed Andrade who
was a single man until very late in life when he married the owner of our
local store in Fremont.  These Andrades lived on Curtner Road in Fremont, as
did I.  Manuel and his wife had a son, Leroy Andrade, who was a good friend
of my brother's.  Are you any relation to these Andrades?  Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:46 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rose Andrade Trombus/Trombas - Fayal

 

Hi Tomas

 

Unfortunately I haven't been following this conversation but I did see your
post regarding Andrades in Fremont. This MIGHT be your lucky day    :)
..because I am an Andrade from Fremont. I don't know if its the same
family you are looking for but I'd be happy to investigate it further with
you. If nothing else, perhaps we can work out which Andrades you can
eliminate from your search. 

 

Kathy 

Sent from my iPad

~~~

Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/

~~~

 


On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:14 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:

Whew! So much wonderful information!! Yes, I show the second wife of Jose
Abreu to be Minnie Andrade. Unfortunately, Andrade is a very common name in
the Fremont area. I had been told by my father's first cousin--also a first
cousin to Jose Abrea and who knew him, Rose Trambas, and Minnie
Andrade--that there was an Andrade in the neighborhood that had some distant
relationship with me. Unfortunately, soon after I got started on tracing the
family tree, this cousin died. Her husband, however, knew many of these
people though his genealogical knowledge was sketchy. He died earlier this
year (at 98). His children, my second cousins, know some details and I will
contact them for more. They know Andrades, and one cousin still lives nearby
Fremont and may be helpful. BTW, I live only about 25 minutes away from
Fremont, so I can get down there and check around.

 

I'm so glad you were able to provide so many dates that I can use to fill in
more blanks on my tree! I'll keep digging away to see what else I can find.

 

Tomas Leal

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] computer help

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Whoops, apologies everyone.  No idea how I managed to send this to the list
rather than it's intended recipient!  Lo siento mucho.  Again, apologies.
Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sam Koester
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:16 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] computer help

 

Hector;  Aqui es la link por Vista Tours en Mazatlan.
<http://www.vistatours.com.mx/mazatlan.htm>
http://www.vistatours.com.mx/mazatlan.htm   Tenian un buen trabajar en los
tours tenimos en.

 

Buenes noches, Sam

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pam Santos
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] computer help

 

Grr okay I didn't close my family treemaker when shutting down computer, I
was in a rush. The back up won't open up. So I used the backup on disk, but
it only shows read only, I have tried to uncheck that but keep getting
error. Any help would be greatly appreciate.

 

 

Pam

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] computer help

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Hector;  Aqui es la link por Vista Tours en Mazatlan.

http://www.vistatours.com.mx/mazatlan.htm   Tenian un buen trabajar en los
tours tenimos en.

 

Buenes noches, Sam

 

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Pam Santos
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] computer help

 

Grr okay I didn't close my family treemaker when shutting down computer, I
was in a rush. The back up won't open up. So I used the backup on disk, but
it only shows read only, I have tried to uncheck that but keep getting
error. Any help would be greatly appreciate.

 

 

Pam

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestorstuff.com

[Sam Koester]

I got one too Rosemarie.  Sam in Maz

 

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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:01 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestorstuff.com

 

I received an email this AM wanting me to sign-up for a newsletter published
by AncestorStuff.com. Did any one else get one and more importantly has
anyone subscribed to their newsletter or does anyone know anything about
them?? 

 

Thanks, Rosemarie 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores trip

[Sam Koester]

Hi Cheri and all,  Yes, my husband is 6'6" and we do have to be careful when
traveling.  We have resorted to a chair at the end of the bed with a pillow
on it more than once!  However, my hubby has never been to Portugal or the
Azores so it must be someone else you are thinking of Cheri.  Perhaps I've
related some of our experiences in other places to you.  If we were only
staying for a night or maybe two, we wouldn't let the bed situation stop us
from a certain hotel because, usually, you can work something out.  If a
longer stay is planned the length of the bed does become important.

 

Happy travels everyone, Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:16 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores trip

 

I've stayed in both "residencials" (2nd class hotels) and "casa de
hospitalidades" (I think that's the spelling).  In the residencials, I've
had my own bath.  In the casa de hospitalidades, I shared a bathroom.  I
also rented an apartment or condo for the week with Shirley Allegre.  The
residencials and casa de hospitalidades are both pretty simple...you get a
bed and a shower.  No fancy luxury decor.  No swimming pool or spa.  But for
those who do consider the hotel as part of their vacation and want a pool or
spa or other amenities of the more upscale hotels, they do have them there.
Last time I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island (and that must be 8 or
so years ago), they had just opened and Comfort Inn.  I don't think that's a
super luxury hotel, but it looked really nice.

The beds are short.  I think Sam's hubby had a hard time being over 6 feet
tall if I remember right.  She'll comment on that if I'm remembering the
right person. (Yes, Sam on this list is a female).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Madruga, Cardoza - Azores

[Sam Koester]

Virginia;  Not sure if this is him or not but; worth following up.
Ancestry.com shows a Manuel Pereira Madgruda naturalization card. Book 61,
page 358.  I'm not knowledgeable in this area so, perhaps someone else can
tell you how to follow up on this information.  Since this is a Rhode Island
record, it probably isn't your guy but; thought I would pass it on, in case.
Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ginny Swinson
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Madruga, Cardoza - Azores

 

I have been following your group for several months and am amazed at how so
many of you have been able to locate where you ancestors came from. I have
been researching intermittently for 50 years and have had little success. My
great-grandparents, Manuel Perry Madruga (b. about February 15, 1852,
Azores) married Phillipa Perry Cardoza, (b. about August 25, 1865, Azores)
in St Ann's church, Gloucester, MA, April 18, 1883. They had six children:
Mary, March 9, 1889; Willie P.,September 26, 1890; John Perry (my
ggrandfather) December 6, 1892; Gertrude, August 10, 1896; Manuel Perry,
October 8, 1899. All were born in Gloucester. I have been unable to get
baptismal records because the church says that their records are with the
Boston Archdiocese. I spent eight hours at their archives and there are no
records there. They arrived before Ellis Island. I can find no
naturalization papers for them  in Gloucester. All birth and death records
indicate only Azores. I am getting old and would like to visit the village
where they came from and to finally connect with my Portugese heritage. My
grandfather died in the 1918 epidemic and so any connection to the past wast
lost. PLEASE - anyone - HELP. I need advice and direction.

 

Virginia (Ginny) Madruga Swinson

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Very Interesting Article - Jews in the Azores

[Sam Koester]

E, What an intriguing story!  Thanks for the link.  (If only the world's
people could understand, underneath it all, we are all one/from one..) Sam
in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:50 AM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Very Interesting Article - Jews in the Azores

 

This is a very interesting article about Jews in the Azores.  Very
interesting.

 

http://sdjewishjournal.com/site/4648/jewish-azores/

 

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas/Feliz Natal thread

[Sam Koester]

I feel sure that our ancestors would be proud of our determination to find
them and tie our string of family together.  What better present could we
give them and ourselves.  Wishing God's Blessings for you all today,
tomorrow and always.  Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you all, friends,
cousins and cousins I have not yet found!

 

Sam in Maz

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestory.com...My relative but wrong information posted by someone else!! What do I do?

[Sam Koester]

Here's a different take on it.  If one is interested in making connections
to living branches of the family tree, posting on Ancestry may help you find
those connections.  If someone takes the information from your tree and in
error, connects it to their tree, it doesn't do any harm to your tree, only
theirs.  Their problem for not doing proper research.  Just a thought.  Sam
in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestory.com...My relative but wrong
information posted by someone else!! What do I do?

 

I am very careful on where I post my tree. I see no advantage of using
Ancestry as they are the ones that benefit from it. The only place my tree
and in this case just basic facts are posted is with Family Tree DNA. The
information I post there is not downloadable unlike Ancestry and some other
sites. When I first started doing Genealogy back around1988 I compared my
tree to one the LDS had and found a number of mistakes on their tree. As RR
said "Trust but verify"

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Terri
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:12 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestory.com...My relative but wrong
information posted by someone else!! What do I do?

 

I had the opportunity a while ago, to go on Ancestory.com thanks to a cousin
of mine who has a subscription.  Looking at her tree and the 'hint' leaves
that are flashing...i got curious to see what else they may have online
about him.  Someone unknown to us is using my grandfathers picture, his name
and my grandmothers name on their own tree.  This person on Ancestory has my
grandfather being buried in California when he's actually buried here in
Canada.  They also have him married to a second woman and that just is
WRONG!!! I've already wrote to this person twice but they've never replied.
Any suggestions on what else I could do to make sure the wrong info isn't
out there about my family?

Thanks,

Terri Santos

 

Researching Sao Miguel Isl...Vila Franca, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Achada, Agua
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Autosomal DNA testing: AncestryDNA vs. FTDNA

[Sam Koester]

Cheri;  What a great explanation of the DNA divisions!  I was at the point
where I pretty much "got it" but; this is a great explanation to send on to
family members who aren't so "into the whole genealogy & DNA thing.  Thanks
much, Sam in Maz

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Autosomal DNA testing: AncestryDNA vs.
FTDNA

 

Hi Paul G,

I'm sorry about that.  I guess in my rush I forgot to mark the email so I
could go back later and answer in more detail.  Thanks for the reminder!

There are different types of DNA testing.  We've all heard about criminals
and their DNA being run through CODIS (COmbined DNA Index System) - at least
in America.  These are unique, identifying markers where scientists can say
it was a 1 in a trillion chance.  We don't use these for genealogy.  We want
to know what unites us and makes us alike, not unique.

There are also tests on the market for medical DNA testing.  You can find
out if you are more at risk for certain diseases.  Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)
is not involved in medical DNA testing.

The 3 tests on the market for genealogy are Y-DNA, mtDNA (mitochondrial
DNA), and autosomal DNA (atDNA - FTDNA calls it their Family Finder).  Not
all companies that use DNA for genealogy offer all 3 types of testing.
FTDNA does.  They've been in the business of DNA for genealogy exclusively
since 2000.  They have a very reputable advisory board.  They have the
largest database.  Those are some of the reasons why the Azores DNA project
was set up with FTDNA.  Now for the 3 types of testing.

1) Y-DNA:  The Y chromosome is part of the 23rd pair, or the sex chromosome.
It is what makes you a man and me a woman (the other 22 pairs are autosomes
and I'll discuss them in # 3 below).  For you to be a man, your 23rd pair is
an XY.  I'm an XX, being female.  What this means is that you got the X from
your mom and the Y from your dad.  You dad, being male, was also XY.  He got
the X from his mom and the Y from his dad.  Your grandfather, being male,
was also XY.  He got the X from his mom and the Y from his dad.  So the Y
chromosome follows the top of your pedigree chart, or a strict, all-male
line:  Your father's father's father's father all the way back in time.
Since I am a female and have no Y, I had to find a male in my line to take
the test (my dad).  Now, if you want to focus strictly on 1 line, this is
the DNA test to take.  (And for those who want to know why they don't test
the X of the XY pair...the X did come from mom, who was XX.  Which X did
your mom give you?  Her mom's or her dad's?  The scientists can't tell so we
don't use it for genealogy testing).

2) mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA): The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
and it houses mtDNA in its nucleus.  There's a lot of of and it is very
hardy and can withstand time and deterioration.  A mother (female) passes it
down to her offspring.  So either men or women can test their mtDNA. It
traces the mother's mother's mother's line, or the bottom of you pedigree
chart.  All women, all the way back in time.  The strict, all-female line.
However, because of its hardiness, it rarely mutates.  It's much harder to
use it to for genealogical purposes.  It's best use would be if you and I
were in the same freguesia and we see our 5great grandmas (who are our
mother's mother's mother's mother) being godmothers to each other's kids and
we really think that they are sisters, but the records run out.  If we both
did a DNA test and had the same mutations, then we could be sure.  But just
to do it and hope for a match without a location or theory is slim.
However, the 1st DNA match made in the Azores DNA project was through mtDNA.
Both participants (a man in Brasil and a woman in California) had a rare
mutation and were in adjacent freguesias.  Research later proved they were
related.

3) atDNA (autosomal DNA/Family Finder):  This involves the other 22 pairs of
autosomal DNA.  You got half your DNA from mom and half from dad.  Your
parents got half from their parents; therefore, you have 25% of your
grandparents DNA, 12.5% of your greats DNA, 6.25% of your 2 greats, 3.125%
of your 3 greats, etc.  Because this is looking a a cross-section of DNA
that recombines, it covers all of your pedigree chart, back approximately
200 years (or 200 years from the person taking the test.  My dad, born in
1934, has DNA matches that I don't have because his DNA is taking him back
to the early half of the 1700s whereas my DNA only goes back to the
mid-1700s).  Now, if you and I share the same 3 great, we should have about
3% of their DNA in our genes.  However, we don't have the SAME 3%, but
different fragments of it.  And if "Fred" shared the same 3 great, he may
not even show up in my matches, but in yours because he has a different
fragment that matches one of yours, but not one of mine.  So 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707

[Sam Koester]

Deb, Joao is on this list and will most likely respond to you.  I highly
recommend him!  Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debera Garcia
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:35 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707

 

How do I contact Joan Ventura.  I would very much like to see if he can find
any records for me.

Thanks,

Deb

 

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

Debra:  This is what I found on CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUGAL EM HAWAII:

 

Ship Braunfels   4 April 1895,  Passenger #3803

Jacintho Raposo Furtado,  age 28

SPOUSE

Maria Augusta,  age 26

daughter:  Maria,  age 9 months

 

The films for Ribeira Grande, etc. end about 1883.  What with Maria being
just 9 months old, I am guessing that they 

probably married about 1893 +.

 

You would be better off to ask JOAN VENTURA to do the research for you.  His
prices are very reasonable.

 

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Debera Garcia   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707

 

Hi Shirley,

I don't know I'm sorry :(  I'm trying to figure it out.

Do you have the films for 1453013 Items 3, 4-5 & 6.  I'm looking for
Jacintho Raposo Furtado and Maria Agusta, they left Portugal on the S.S.
Braunfels, and they are from Lomba De Santa Barbara, Ribeira Grande.  OR
films 1002364 & 1002636 from what I was told.

Thanks,

Debera

 

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

We maybe.  Which church in Ribeira Grande.  Who are you looking for
between 1840-1847?

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Debera Garcia   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707

 

Shirley,

Would you have the marriage records for later years?  I would be looking
between the years of 1840-1847.

Thanks,

Debera

 

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

I found it in the marriage records for Ribeira Grande. Do you want the film
number?

 

Shirley in CA

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From: Eliseu Silva   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:38 PM

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707

 

Hi Shirley,

 

Thank you for the info. Would you let me know where have you find the
information you sent?

 

Thanks!

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA,
BETTENCOURT

Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!!

 

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Silvina Cunha

[Sam Koester]

Dano, I really appreciate your concise description of how the Flemish came
to the Azores.  May I have your permission to use it in my family tree?  Sam
in Maz

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dano
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Silvina Cunha

The surname "Rose" is the anglicized version of the Portuguese surname
"Rosa," which in turn is the Portuguese adaptation of the Flemish surname
"Roos."

Background: After the Azores were discovered, Prince Henry found it
difficult to get the pampered Portuguese nobility to leave their comfortable
surroundings on the continent, and venture off into the vast unknown ocean
to live in isolation, on a few islands bereft of all of those aforementioned
comforts. A timely intervention by Henry's cousin, the Duchess of Lancaster,
who appealed to Henry on behalf of the Flemish people, after they had been
left destitute in the aftermath of a war for the Netherlands. So, Henry
agreed to invite the Flemish people to migrate to, and populate the islands
of the Azores (two problems "solved)." They settled mostly in the central
group of islands (Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, and Graciosa). The result of the
Flemish colonization brought with it new customs and new names, which the
Portuguese islanders accepted, and so, the Flemish were quickly assimilated
into the Azorian society.

On Oct 30, 9:14 pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Repost for Michelle Cunha, cunha.michelle at gmail.com:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I googled "Silvina Cunha" and came across a thread from 2007.  I 
> believe Silvina may be in my line. I'd like to be able to authenticate 
> the information by contacting the cities and gaining birth, marriage, 
> and death certificates.
>
> Also, is "Rose" a Portuguese name or is it an Americanized version of 
> a Portuguese name? If it is Americanized, what is the original word? 
> Silvina had two sisters named Rose and Mary. I assume "Mary" was actually
"Marie"
> but am unsure of what Rose would've been. Suggestions?
>
> Peace,
>
> Michelle

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Another way to do genealogy

[Sam Koester]

*  Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your
opponents will do it for you.
-- Author unknown

 

Couldn't resist this one, Sam in Maz




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo record

[Sam Koester]

Here is the best I can do.  Keep in mind I am not an expert and there could
be errors.  Sam (in Navajoa tonight)

 

On ??? day of the month of November of the year 1873 of this parochial
church of Our Lady ?? of days, council of  village of ???, diocese of Angra,
I solemnly baptized ?? individual of the feminine sex whom I gave the name,
Maria and who was born in this parish by ?? hours in the afternoon of the
2nd day of the current month and year.  Legitimate daughter, first of the
name, of Manoel Duarte, worker and of Margarida de Medeiros, occupation of
domestic, native received for ?? and residents of this parish  paternal
granddaughter of Manoel Jacintho Duarte and Maria Quiteria de Jesus and
maternal of Antonio de Medeiros and Jacintha de Jesus. Godfather were
Antonio Borges, single, worker and Godmother Margarida Borges, single, all
is proper and recorded in duplicate 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:15 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo record

 

I'll try this one last time. Can someone please translate this baptismo
record. I believe it is my great grandmothers and I need it to confirm her
marriage to my great grandfather. To those that have help me in the past
THANK YOU. I greatly appreciate the help. 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Margaret, It helps tremendously.  I think I now understand the whole
enchilada, as they say!  What a great group this is and thank you and
everyone who helped me with this one!  Sam (now in Nogales, AZ for the night
and crossing the border in the a.m) :-) 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:33 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

Hi Sam,

I meant it as Alvara or Decree, not as one word.


Alvara is a word of Arabian origin Al-bara which means "letter" or "note".
Alvaras started in the church in 1524 when the concern arose in of double
and obscured marriages.

Simplifying it is a license to get married issued by "City Hall", a Civil
Entity.

They were licensed to marry on the 3rd and they were married on the 7th of
the same month (Jan) 1874

Alvaras are issued today by City Halls for people to open new business do
cosntruction etc.  which in english would be "permit/license"

Hope this helps.
Margaret


On 10/16/12, Sam Koester  wrote:
> Cheri, Denis, Shirley, MNK, Margaret and all who assisted on 
> translations of this marriage, thank you very much.  I am most 
> appreciative.  It was a very confusing one for me with words/language 
> I was not familiar with.
>
>
>
> Margaret, I "googled" the "Alvara/decree" but; could not find anything 
> that pertained to relatives marrying.  Most that I found were 
> references to land ownership.  Can you clarify for me what the Alvara
decree said?
>
>
>
> Also, maybe I'm dense but; I'm still confused as to the actual date of 
> marriage your #1 below says: Jan 7, 1874 was the marriage date but; 
> then you say in #3 below that the 3rd of the current month and year 
> refers to the present action (the date and day of marriage, today) so, 
> was it the  3rd of the current month and year that the Alvara decree 
> came into effect or was the 3rd of Jan 1874 the date of marriage 
> rather than the 7th?
>
>
>
> Apologies for my confusion and many thanks again for everyone's help! 
> Sam (currently enroute to Mazatlan, MX for the winter)
>
>
>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa 
> Maria
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> If reads:
>
>
>
> 1.  Jan 7 1874 in my presence the bride and groom. This is the 
> marriage date.
>
> 2.  Nov 24 1873 they were given dispensation from 4th degree of 
> consanguinity
>
> 3.   "se receberam por virtude do Alvara em 3 do corrente mes e ano" the
> bride and groom accepted each other (this refers to present action, 
> the date and day of marriage,today) as husband and wife by virtue of 
> the "Alvara"/decree dated the 3rd of the current month and year.
>
>
>
> All dates are specific to their situation.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Sorry Sam, rushing out the door again.
>
> This marriage mostly follows the form, but there are a couple of 
> discrepancies as you have pointed out.  The marriage is January.  I've 
> seen some marriages during Lent that mention they are doing their 
> Lenten thing, but January is not Lent.
>
> The date after the priest or bishop's name?  I don't know.  If I had 
> to take a guess, that's the date he began serving the people there.
>
> As for the date at the bottom?  Too much vinho?
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Cheri, Denis, Shirley, MNK, Margaret and all who assisted on translations of
this marriage, thank you very much.  I am most appreciative.  It was a very
confusing one for me with words/language I was not familiar with.   

 

Margaret, I "googled" the "Alvara/decree" but; could not find anything that
pertained to relatives marrying.  Most that I found were references to land
ownership.  Can you clarify for me what the Alvara decree said?

 

Also, maybe I'm dense but; I'm still confused as to the actual date of
marriage your #1 below says: Jan 7, 1874 was the marriage date but; then you
say in #3 below that the 3rd of the current month and year refers to the
present action (the date and day of marriage, today) so, was it the  3rd of
the current month and year that the Alvara decree came into effect or was
the 3rd of Jan 1874 the date of marriage rather than the 7th?

 

Apologies for my confusion and many thanks again for everyone's help! Sam
(currently enroute to Mazatlan, MX for the winter)

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

 

Hello everyone,

 

If reads:

 

1.  Jan 7 1874 in my presence the bride and groom. This is the marriage
date.

2.  Nov 24 1873 they were given dispensation from 4th degree of
consanguinity

3.   "se receberam por virtude do Alvara em 3 do corrente mes e ano" the
bride and groom accepted each other (this refers to present action, the date
and day of marriage,today) as husband and wife by virtue of the
"Alvara"/decree dated the 3rd of the current month and year.

 

All dates are specific to their situation.

 

Margaret

 

 

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Sorry Sam, rushing out the door again.

This marriage mostly follows the form, but there are a couple of
discrepancies as you have pointed out.  The marriage is January.  I've seen
some marriages during Lent that mention they are doing their Lenten thing,
but January is not Lent.

The date after the priest or bishop's name?  I don't know.  If I had to take
a guess, that's the date he began serving the people there.

As for the date at the bottom?  Too much vinho?



Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Shirley and Cheri;  Thanks to both of you for helping me with this one.  I
do have a couple more questions though.

 

Do you have any idea why they have indicated a date after the priest's name?
I have not seen this before.

 

Also, at the bottom it says something like: they were joined in marriage on
the 3rd of the current month but; at the top it says the 7th.  Which date
were they actually married?  I have usually seen at the bottom something
like "it was as above on the current day, month and year."

 

I have also asked someone else for his ideas on the above but; thought it
wouldn't hurt to see what others had to say so, any help you can give would
be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance, Sam in CA  (for 2 more days!)

 

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:12 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarification of translation - Santa Maria

 

Sam,

The word after 4th degree is 2 words: de consanguinidade.  He ran the "de"
into "consan" which is then continued on the next line.  They are 3rd
cousins.

The date in the middle after the Lord Bishop's name is 63.  He misspelled 60
(cesenta instead of sessenta or sesenta (another misspelling or old
spelling)).  See your date in the top line of the document.

I'll think about those occupations after the names of the fathers.  I have
an idea they are day laborers.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

[Sam Koester]

Thanks for the reply Leanne.  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we have a
connect.  My line is from Pedro Miguel on Faial.  Best of luck to you in
your searches, Sam  J

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Leanne Anysia
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:52 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores
Genealogy List!

 

Hey Sam!


My family names are too confusing to get into. Suffice it to say, they
underwent many (6+) name changes while on the island. As you may have
discovered while searching, names are not permanent in the Azorean culture.
:P

 

I started out researching my mother's family (Silva and Freitas) in Faial
and found out that all had been there since the settlement of their village
(Cedros) in 1594. Both sides of her family -ALL of them- stayed in Cedros up
until they immigrated to the USA in the 1950s. Crazy!

 

Silva was traced back to Joao Pinheiro, born 1590. His son is Pedro
Goncalves Botelho...see what I mean about the name changes??).


Freitas has been traced back to Domingos Furtado who was born around the
same time (the date escapes me at the moment).

 

:)



On Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57:48 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:

Leanne;  What are your family names on Faial and which village did they come
from?  Sam in CA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] GGrandfathers Baptismo record?

[Sam Koester]

Looks like you have the second half of the document only.  It says:
Paternal, Bernardino Jose d'Andrade and Escobartisa Maria do Espirito Santo
and maternal Antonio de Mello and Francisca de Medeiros.

 

You need the first half of the document to see who was getting married.
(That's my take on it.)

Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
pagome...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:01 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] GGrandfathers Baptismo record?

 

Can someone translate this baptismo record for me? It might be for my
great-grandfather Manuel Bernardo (da) Silva. Cheri suggested in my
translation post to find the baptismo records for my great-grandparents so I
can verify the marriage record.

 

Thanks,

Paul G.

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RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Topic - Computer Question - How to restore deleted mail folder

[Sam Koester]

Congrats on cracking this one Elaine!  J Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
bellema...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:05 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Topic - Computer Question - How to
restore deleted mail folder

 

THANK YOU all for your suggestions. I have forwarded them on to her and I
will let you know how she makes out with restoring the folder. I knew you
all would come through for me. She is a new found member of my husband's
family and she has helped me tremendously in my research with this family
even having her dad do a FTDNA and he matched my husband's McNeal
cousinwe finally cracked the code on this family after 10 years. 

Elaine 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with note in side-margin of baptismal record

[Sam Koester]

Margaret;  Thanks much for this explanation of the word “Cura” which we see
so often in the documents.  I’ve been trying to figure out what it meant
besides “to heal” which is the translation I got on google.  Always nice to
have one less thing to puzzle about!  Thanks again, Sam in CA

 

Dano,   Curate is a derivative of the word "cura" which means "to heal" and
the priest of this rank was in charge of the "healing of souls".  Today's
translation would be  'Pároco" Parish Priest/Father and so I used Father for
ease of understanding;  I'm also certain you are aware of this but only
stated here for clarification.  The date,  as you mentioned wasn't too clear
and I should have checked it out however, Hermano got it right.  I went
forward on the records to 1866 and can confirm the date is "1866" a) Cura
Jose Francisco Couto was acting Curate in 1866 and b) analyzied his numeric
hand writing form of  5 and 6.

 

Cheers,

Margaret

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Checking a date

[Sam Koester]

Thanks Cheri!

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

[Sam Koester]

Leanne;  What are your family names on Faial and which village did they come
from?  Sam in CA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

[Sam Koester]

This list has been such a wonderful resource for so many people.  So many of
it's members are so very generous with their time and knowledge.  Were it
not for this list I would know almost nothing of my distant ancestry and
never have known of cousins who lived right here in the U.S.A. but; were
unknown to me!  Many, many thanks to you Cheri for starting this list and to
all you wonderful people who help the rest of us in so many ways!!  Happy
Birthday Azores List!!  Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!

 

This list will be 7 years old on the 27th!  The first post was on the 28th.
I can't believe this has been going on 7 years already!  

Today, our 1000th member signed up!  There are 1000 email addresses
subscribed to his list now.  Seven years ago, I thought I would wind up with
300 or maybe 350 members.  As those numbers approached, I thought maybe 500
would be it.  I'm amazed at the number of people doing Azorean genealogy.

May the list, our web site at Azores Gen Web, and especially the spirit of
helping among our members continue for more years to come!
-- 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCa

[Sam Koester]

I like your positive attitude! J Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pam Santos
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCa

 

Site is probably down maybe they are adding records.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:36 PM, George Pacheco 
wrote:


CCA Site you can choose what you looking for then when you click on the
Record You get a this message


500 - Internal server error.


There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be
displayed.



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Please

[Sam Koester]

Cheri, I think you have posted this before but; I never took the time to
look at it all carefully.  Shame on me!  Thanks much, it will be a big help
in my efforts to translate! Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:29 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Please

 

Lee,

There are abbreviations on the Azores Genweb here:
http://goo.gl/OBp1z

For the entire article, it is here: http://goo.gl/Rbme8

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Dias Teixeira to Maria das Candayas - just need two words translated

[Sam Koester]

Hello all,  I can read that this is the marriage of Joao Dias Teixeira, son
of Manoel ???, now dead and of his wife, Barbara Dias to Maria das Candayas,
daughter of ??? Alves Machado and of his wife Maria Nunes.  Can anyone fill
in the question marks for me.  Many thanks, Sam in CA

 

 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

[Sam Koester]

 

Denise;  Thanks for the reply.  It is much appreciated.  Others have
indicated that they think it says Antonio Teixeira Machado as the father
which fits with other information that I have.I will certainly make note
of your translation.

 

Again, many thanks, Sam in CA

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Denise
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:07 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

 

Hi Sam, not sure if anyone answered this but what I see is that Manuel Jose
de Fraga son of Antonio Ferreira Medeiros and his wife Maria Isabel married
on 22 April 1816 to Leandra Rosa do Coracao de Jesus daughter of Barbara de
Jesus who is deceased. The brides name is in the margin. The grooms fathers
name is abbreviated, looks like Fra Mds which I believe equals Ferreira
Medeiros. Unless the Fra is for Fraga but since he wrote it out for the
groom I would think he would write it out again. But not sure, I'm no
expert.  

I hope this helps you. 

 

Denise D'Antona

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:04 PM, "Sam Koester"  wrote:

Once again I'm asking for help. J  I'm pretty sure this is the marriage of
my 3rd ggrandparents, Manuel Jose de Fraga to Leandra Rosa.  I can see it
says something about Leandra in the margin and I can see Manuel Jose de
Fraga in the beginning of the document.  Can someone please tell me what it
says in the margin and is it indeed the marriage record for these two
people.  If it is, is her name and parents names anywhere in the documents.

 

Thanks in advance, Sam in CA

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ernesto do Canto indexes

[Sam Koester]

In case anyone is interested, I googled Ernesto do Canto and found this book 
that is readable online or downloadable.  It is in Portuguese.  Sam in CA

 

 


Archivo dos Açores (1880)



Author:  

 Ernesto do Canto, Francisco Afonso Chaves
Subject:   Azores;  
 Azores
Publisher:  
 Ponta 
Delgada
Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Language:  

 Italian
Digitizing sponsor:   Google
Book from the collections of:   
University of Michigan
Collection:   americana
Notes: Edited by Ernesto do Canto, whose Noticia auto-biographica is included 
in v. 13; edited thereafter by Francisco Afonso Chaves.

Full catalog record:  

 MARCXML

 

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Google Chrome

[Sam Koester]

Pam, Just under your address bar line should be, if you check the option to
show on your toolbar when you added the bookmark, some of your bookmarks
once there are to many to show there or if you did not check that option you
can either click on the spot on the right that looks like >> and/or click on
the little folder on the right that says "other bookmarks".

 

Hope this solves the problem for you.  Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pam Santos
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:48 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Google Chrome

 

I know this is off topic kind of, but this is driving me crazy. Is there
away to see your bookmarks on google chrome?  I am so use to Internet
explorer where you just click the start and see all your bookmarks (Favorite
places)  I know firefox has it similar. But for the life of my other than
the website that show up on the tool bar I don't see where to view previous
bookmarks.

 

Pam

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA MATCHES!

[Sam Koester]

Hey there Cuz;  Cheri, I think it was, did post one answer to this question.
Some may be adopted and have no family tree to post because they are trying
to find family.  Unfortunately, without the tree, I doubt they will get very
far.  Other than that, ??  Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
alrose...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:26 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA MATCHES!

 

Must endorse my cousin Sam. We have been searching for decades. Why those
who are interested enough to post DNA results are so adverse to sharing
other family info is a complete mystery to me. To do one without the other
is a mark of (tempted to say ignorance)  what else? There can be no
other rationale that I can discern. Please grant us (who may be your
undiscovered cousins)  some idea as to why you fail to post your Gedcom
Signed, perplexed.

 

In a message dated 9/16/2012 7:00:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sam...@surewest.net writes:

I had my mtdna in for a couple of years with no matches then, I did the
family finder test and the results came in.  I have quite a list of possible
cousins and have verified the connection with a couple of them.  

As others have stated, unfortunately many people though they have done the
family finder test, for various reasons, have not uploaded a family tree.
Pretty difficult to find the connection without both parties having a tree
posted.

Some people have responded to my emails, others have not.  I can only hope
that eventually all will respond...  Sam in CA


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA MATCHES!

[Sam Koester]

I had my mtdna in for a couple of years with no matches then, I did the
family finder test and the results came in.  I have quite a list of possible
cousins and have verified the connection with a couple of them.  

As others have stated, unfortunately many people though they have done the
family finder test, for various reasons, have not uploaded a family tree.
Pretty difficult to find the connection without both parties having a tree
posted.

Some people have responded to my emails, others have not.  I can only hope
that eventually all will respond...  Sam in CA


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Obit Manuel Jose Fraga 1836

[Sam Koester]

Mary;  How interesting!  I had no idea midwifes had this power..  Thanks for
sharing, Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mary Bordi
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:51 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Obit Manuel Jose Fraga 1836

 

On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Altino Demelo  wrote:

 

Sam, think that in instances where a baby is close to death, the priest is
called quickly to baptize the infant. I don't think a midwife is allowed to
baptize a child.

 

For the record--

 

(From Catholic Encyclopedia at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10287a.htm)

 

As regards the sacrament of  
baptism the office of midwives is of the highest importance. On them
frequently devolves the   duty
of conferring thissacrament, under circumstances where no other
 person's ministration is
possible. Hence, the   Churchhas
always been most solicitious concerning the character of midwives and their
instruction in thisreligious  
duty. Canonists teach that  
women who undertake the office of midwife are bound under mortal
 sin to learn the methods and
requirements of valid   baptism,
as in case of necessity this  
dutyfrequently devolves upon them. There has been much legislation on this
subject in various   diocesan
 synods, whose canons place
special   obligations on
 parish
 priests and midwives. The
former are reminded that, as midwives in conferring
 baptism act in place of the
 parish
 priest, he is strictly bound to
in form himself whether they have sufficient
 knowledge to administer the
sacramentvalidly. Some  
diocesan   synods require that
midwives, before being approved for
 duty, take an
 oaththat they will labor to
procure the spiritual safety of infant and mother. When a new-born child has
been   baptized by a midwife,
the   parish
 priest must inquire carefully
whether she had the properintention and administered the rite according to
the prescriptions of the  
Church. If there is anyreason to
 doubt, the
 baptism is to be repeated
conditionally (Catch. Rom., II, ii, § 43); but if it becertain that the
sacrament was properly conferred it may not be repeated (c. Majores, 3 de
bapt; Conc. Trid. Sess. VI, can. ix), and only the other ceremonies are to
be supplied by the   parish
 priest. 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emailing: Obit Manuel Jose Fraga 1836

[Sam Koester]

Denise and MNK, 

 

Thank you for this information!  So, it appears that even though he didn't
receive the sacraments and was poor, he was buried in the church cemetery.
I take it, it doesn't say what he died from?

 

Thanks much to you both for you help. Sam in CA

 

Hi Sam,

Termo da Villa de Calheta I believe means they lived on the edge of town, if
you will. Likely close to the border of another town. 

I can see where it says buried in the cemetery of this ?? With oficios
(services?) on the 4th day of December of 1836. 

That's the best I can make of it. 

 

Denise De Freitas D'Antona

 

Looks like he died suddenly and didn't receive the sacraments.  The year is
1836 and he is about 40 years old.

MNK



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help needed

[Sam Koester]

Denise and all others who clarified the translation;  Although this record
has nothing to do with any of my lines, I want to chime in with "THANKS"
here too.  I originally attempted a translation of this record for two
reasons.  1.  To help Judy and pass on what I have learned.  2. To help
myself learn the format of the obit records.  

 

For those of us who do not speak/read Portuguese and yet are attempting to
decipher these records, the clarification of various phrases and words goes
a long way towards teaching us to "read" what we are seeing.  I wondered
about that "Our Lady" for instance!  Then there is:  Touching the child's
face..(what an interesting phrase) 

 

I have found that if I keep the translations of others and refer back to
them when I am trying to translate and see something I can't decipher, the
past translations of others often clarifies what I am seeing.  So, a big
"Thank you" to all of you who help those of us who are less knowledgeable!
We'd get nowhere without you!   Sam in CA

 

 

 

Here is my two cents.  Where it says baptisado em casa por perigo da vida
would be more how in America we would say baptized at home in peril of life
(he was sick in some way and they thought he was going to die). Por Maria do
Rosario casada com Adao Silveira Bettencourt...by Maria do Rosario married
to Adao Silveira Bettencourt...born at the eight hour of the morning of 29
of the month of October of said year.   Carreiro does seem to be spelled
Cazerriro.   Foi padrinho means godfather was Joao Bettencourt da Silveira.
Then por madrinha Nossa Senhora means for godmother Our Lady; yes that Lady!
My great grandfather was baptized in this same scenario and has the same
Godmother! :). 

Them it says something like: touching the child's face baptized. Here it
goes right into the name Manuel Silveira Dias married worker, of whom all
are known to me. So this Manuel was another witness there and the priest
confirms he knows all present.   In closing it says the godfather, the said
Manuel Silveira Dias signed with me. And all three signatures.

Hope that helps. 

 

Denise De Freitas D'Antona




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help needed

[Sam Koester]

Judy;I am no expert at this and hopefully someone else will check this
out and make corrections, which I'm sure are needed!

This will give you a start though.  The spelling of the last name of Antonio
is difficult and I'm sure I did not get it quite right.  I'll be interested
to see how close I came on the whole thing.. Sam in CA


On the 6th day of the month of November of the year 1869 in this Parochial
church of Nossa Senhoria de Rosario, council of Villa das Velas, Diocese of
Angra  ?? only of Santos ??? an individual of the masculine sex  ??? I gave
the name of Joao who was baptized in house by danger of not living ??? Maria
do Rosario married with  ???  Silveira Bettencourt and was born in this
parish at the hour of ??? of the 29th day of ??? of October of the same
year.  Legitimate son of Antonio Cazerriro, worker, native of Villa Franca
of the island of Sao Miguel and of Rosa Silveira Baptista, occupied in
domestic service, native of this parish and of where they were received and
where they are parishioners,     ???,  place of council Grande, paternal
grandson of Cazeseriro Jose and of Antonia Julia e maternal of Manuel
Silveira Baptista and of Maria de Jesus.  ?? ?? godfather, Joao Bettencourt
da Silveira, single, worker and ???  ???  godmother ??? Senhora   
Senhora ? baptized Manuel Silveira Dias married, worker. All the things
as above (then all the standard closing stuff)


 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
jt
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:07 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help needed

 

Could someone pls help me translate the attached record, #21?  It looks like
the names and dates are about what I'm looking for but want to understand it
all.  It looks like the father is from Villa Franca, San Miguel, but this
record is Rosais, Sao Jorge.  The person I'm looking for is Joao Carreiro,
birthdate 22 Aug 1889 on Sao Jorge, father Antonio Carreiro.  This appears
close. 

 

Where would I find records for Villa Franca, Sao Miguel?  What concelho? 

 

Thx.

 

judy

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Writing the family history

[Sam Koester]

Len,  You have probably heard all the opinions on this subject that  you
want to but, I must ring in with agreement with Sonia and others who's
opinion is that a "family history" should tell the complete story.  My
feeling is that we get enough information that has been filtered.  I would
want to know the real story of my ancestors.   What is fact, is fact and
what is hearsay is hearsay and that should be made clear, of course.  Other
than that, you are attempting family history, not a novel.  Just my 2 cents
worth and best of luck, Sam in CA

 

 

There are big differences between recording a family's genealogy (names,
places, dates) and telling family history (the context to the names, places,
dates).  What you're asking, is if in telling the family history you should
include the less 'savory' aspects. 

My answer as somebody who gathers these histories and who preserves the
documents that allow for the histories to be written is yes, include it all.
Make it clear to the reader that this is family lore, but the reality is
that within every 'fable' there is a kernel of truth.

Sonia




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] GGGrandfather Christiano Machado from Urzelina, Sao Jorge.

[Sam Koester]

Diane, I can help a little and I'm sure someone better at this will respond
soon.  Here is what I could "kinda" read.

 

On the 27th day of the month of April of the year 1881 at 7 hours in the
morning (then it says where) died with the sacraments a masculine individual
of the name of Christiano Machado at the age of (I think it says: 103) years
married to Perpetua Rosa, then it says where she is native of, etc. then it
says son of or daughter of (can't make out the ending) Felip Jose, worker
and of Maria Joaquina, where they are from.  Something about no public
testament 

 

Sorry I can't make out any more than that.  Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Diane
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 4:09 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] GGGrandfather Christiano Machado from Urzelina,
Sao Jorge.

 

I am new to this group and have just found that I can get access to the
archives. I have found the obit for my GGGrandfather Christiano Machado and
I know it is him because the name of his second wife Perpetua Roza appears
in the text. "

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

[Sam Koester]

Lester,  Yes, the abbreviation in front of Jose Joaquim Madruga de
Bettencourt is Reverendo but; before that I "believe" the word "testemunha"
means witness or witnessed by.  Others will have to clarify this for you.
It looks to me that the priest's signature says Serfino Candide de
Bettencourt.  Perhaps a relative of the reverend who witnessed the
marriage??

 

Can someone else help with this one as I do not want to lead Lester astray
with my limited ability to read these documents?

 

Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Lester
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

 

Sam, Thanks.

 

I thought the abbreviation before his name was "reverendo."  I have
encountered this priest's name on several other documents/records.

 


On Friday, September 7, 2012 1:33:09 PM UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:

Lester, An interesting note; at the bottom of this record it shows the
witnesses as Jose Joaquim Madruga de Bettencourt and Francisco Ignacio..

 

Sam in CA

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:19 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

 

Repost for Lester, 


l

lester...@gmail.com  


I have hit a wall of bricks looking for the marriage record of Jose Joaquim 
Madruga and Maria da Conceicao (married about 1850). The record below 
seems like a good match, but the surname "Madruga" is missing. I went back 
and re-read Cheri's guidance on the subject and got more frustrated by the 
Azores naming conventions! I have also been through the on-line records 
from 1830-1860 a couple of times without success.

Does the absence of a surname rule out this record? 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1808-186
0/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1808-1860_item1/P191.html

Thanks!
Lester

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

[Sam Koester]

Lester, An interesting note; at the bottom of this record it shows the
witnesses as Jose Joaquim Madruga de Bettencourt and Francisco Ignacio..

 

Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:19 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall

 

Repost for Lester, 


l

lester.mur...@gmail.com


I have hit a wall of bricks looking for the marriage record of Jose Joaquim 
Madruga and Maria da Conceicao (married about 1850). The record below 
seems like a good match, but the surname "Madruga" is missing. I went back 
and re-read Cheri's guidance on the subject and got more frustrated by the 
Azores naming conventions! I have also been through the on-line records 
from 1830-1860 a couple of times without success.

Does the absence of a surname rule out this record? 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1808-186
0/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1808-1860_item1/P191.html

Thanks!
Lester

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida da Sabuya (wife of Wm van der Haagen) (aka G...

[Sam Koester]

Oh, fudge!  Thanks..

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
alrose...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida da Sabuya (wife of Wm van der
Haagen) (aka G...

 

Sam, I found that to be an error ... someone mistook the lady for a child of
Amadeus Saboia and Maria Borgonha who married and died in Milan, Italy. Wife
of van der Haegen and this other woman had similar names ... but that is as
far as it goes. I sent you an new chart.

 

In a message dated 9/3/2012 10:16:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sam...@surewest.net writes:

Al & Shirley, I show her parents as Amadeus Saboia and Maria Borgonha.
Maria is the daughter of Duke Philipi.  I'm pretty sure I got this
information from an ancestry true and have no documentation to support it.
Sam in CA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida da Sabuya (wife of Wm van der Haagen) (aka Guilherme Silveira)

[Sam Koester]

Al & Shirley, I show her parents as Amadeus Saboia and Maria Borgonha.
Maria is the daughter of Duke Philipi.  I'm pretty sure I got this
information from an ancestry true and have no documentation to support it.
Sam in CA

 

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Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:56 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida da Sabuya (wife of Wm van der Haagen)
(aka Guilherme Silveira)

 

Anyone know her parentage?

 

Margarida da Sabuya (wife of Wm van der Haagen) (aka Guilherme Silveira)

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Manoel Machado Teixeira 1768

[Sam Koester]

Thanks Mary,  Sure would help if I had a better knowledge of where all these
places were and which one were basically the same place but; just talking
about a different portion/entity in the same place!  Sometime I google them
and am still not sure.

Thanks again, Sam

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mary Bordi
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:52 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Manoel Machado Teixeira 1768

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:32:49 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
> Pam, Two questions.  1.  Is the parish of Santa Catherina in Norte
Pequeno, Calheta? 


Santa Catarina is the main church of the town of Calheta. (I think that's
what "Matriz" is.) My book says Sao Lazaro is the church at Norte Pequeno. 

Mary

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Manoel Machado Teixeira 1768

[Sam Koester]

Roselyn;  Thank you so very much for this!!  With your translation as a
“road guide”, I should be able to do a better job in the future translating
the records from this time period.  Thank you!

 

Now, is there anyone who can decipher the name of the mother of Maria
Machado who is a godparent to the baby, Manoel?  Is it Andreza what is the
next word?  Also, since Andreza is a godparent, why does this record give
her parents names??  That seems unusual.

 

Thanks everyone and especially Mary B., Pam S. and Roselyn H!!

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hughes Roselyn
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Manoel Machado Teixeira 1768

 

Hi Sam, 

I've added what I could in red: 

Manoel, son of Joao de Sousa da Cunha, natural of the Matrix of Vila da
Calheta and
of his wife, Rosa Maria, natural of the parish San Tiago Sao Jorge, in the
place
Ribeira Seca ?? Vila da Calheta of Sao Jorge.  Born on the 8 of of
January of 1768, was baptised on the 9 of the same month
and year by the Rev. Cura of this church Jose Ignacio Brazil . For
Godparents the Vicor Antonio
Silveira  Villalobos and Maria Machado  daughter of Manuel Machado Teixeira
and his
wife Andreza    natural and villagers of this same parish ??

Hope this helps a little. 

Roselyn

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

So according to that link the records on CCA would be Cahleta, Cahleta, Sao
Jorge

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

Found the films numbers below

 

Batismos 1692-1828 -  FHL INTL [ 1547343 Items 6-14 ]
Batismos 1828-1873 -  FHL INTL [ 1546784 Items 1-4 ]
Casamentos 1633-1873 -  FHL INTL [ 1546784 Items 5-11 ]
Óbitos 1727-1836 (Falta 1781.) -  FHL INTL [ 1546784 Items 12-15 ]
Óbitos 1839-1873 -  FHL INTL [ 1546785 Items 1-2 ]
Reconhecimentos e perfilhações dos filhos ilegítimos, 1871 -  FHL INTL [
1546785 Item 3 ] 

 

https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.a
sp?titleno=363959 

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

I could be wrong on the baptism date since it is abbreviated but that is
what I think

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

He was born on the 8th Jan and baptized on 9th of Jan. Your second question
is that  The Church of Santa Catarina (
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language> Portuguese: Igreja de
Santa Catarina) is a church in the  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freguesia>
civil parish of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Calheta_%28parish%29&action=edit&;
redlink=1> Calheta, municipality of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calheta_%28Azores%29> Calheta, on the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugual> Portuguese island of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Jorge_Island> São Jorge, archipelago
of the  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azores> Azores.  (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Santa_Catarina_(Calheta)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Santa_Catarina_%28Calheta%29>  )

 

I tried to look on familysearch.org to see if there was a film. I didn't see
one, and I have people I need to find in that church also, but I am not
familiar with Sao Jorge Research so hopefully someone else can answer if
there is records from that church and the film number

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Sam Koester  wrote:

Pam, Two questions.  1.  Is the parish of Santa Catherina in Norte Pequeno,
Calheta?  2.  If you look at the record, it “kinda” looks like it says he
was born on the 8th and baptized on the 9th?  Do you see that at all or am I
just making things up!  Thanks again and ANYTIME I can help you, let me
know.  Sam

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pam Santos
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Manoel Machado Teixeira 1768

 

Catharina, Sao Jorge and born on the 8 Jan 1768

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

That is great you found him 1768!!!

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Sam Koester  wrote:

  Thanks for the heads up Cheri!Guess that's a big "duh" on my part. Any
help with the translation is greatly appreciated.


Manoel, son of Joao de Sousa da Cunha, natural of the Matrix of Calheta and
of his wife, Rosa Maria, natural of this parish   ?   Sao Jorge,
Ribeira Seca ??  of Calheta of Sao Jorge  ??  1768, was ???  month
and year  ???(something about a Ignacio Brazil)  ??? Reverand Antonio
??  Villalobos and    ???  daughter of Manuel Machado Teixeira and his
wife Andreza       of this same ??





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