Re: Religion kills

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jon Louis Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:53 PM
Subject: Religion kills


>> > what is your morality system, william?
>
>> Me.
>> William T Goodall
>
> so essentialy you are putting yourself on the same level as an omnipotent, 
> benevolent, compassionate deity?
> jon
>

A little bit of a reach to say that isn't Jon?

Nick 


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RE: Digital Rights Management is evil

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Sloan
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:32 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Digital Rights Management is evil

On Feb 4, 2007, at 1:41 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:

> Hmmm, I wonder if the Mac's "save to pdf" option in the print options
> will allow you to get past that. :-)

It sure wouldn't surprise me. I know the Mac PDF viewer is a
lot faster than the slow, bloated Adobe crap-pile on PC.
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for some reason im not getting the original post to see exactly what is
required to happen. However there is always a work around.depending on
how much work that you wish to do.

i.e. you can resize the pdf so you see it by full page and screen capture
the desktop paste the file into a image editor, remove the info that you do
not require and resize it to something relative to original and just print
to your hearts content. However if you wish to work with the information
stored in the pdf, simply do the above and run the printed pages through an
OCR and grab the txt that you want/need. Repeat as necessary. 

Lots of work, pain in the rump, but it will work.


If that's not what it is that your tring to do, I shall pour through the
archives and try to find the start of this thread.


Nick Lidster

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Online games (was: Xbox 360)

[Nick Lidster]

Well with the expression of interest in gaming that was put forth on the
console side of things, I figured it was just as well to see what games that
you all play online.

nick


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RE: Unspeakably offensive canine behavior

[Nick Lidster]

I figured id use this group for this little question... what do you all know
about cobweb plots and its relation to chaos theory? My friend is working
with them now and explained it just simply as they are related to chaos
theory. Any helpful guidance would be great.

Nick

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RE: Seti at Home

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jo Anne
Sent: March 25, 2006 5:54 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Seti at Home

Did anyone else get an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking to participate in 
BOINC?
We used to have a Brinellers group set up by Charlie Bell, IIRC.  Thought on
any of this anyone?  Anyone?

Amities,

Jo Anne
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Well Jo Anne after my last format, I went to download the installer as
normal and I received the BOINC software... it is not bad at all IMO. And it
seems to runner faster then the previous client.

Cheers

Nick

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RE: Listening

[Nick Lidster]

29/30 here

nick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of William T Goodall
Sent: March 1, 2006 4:11 PM
To: Brin-L
Subject: Listening

A musical listening test:

http://www.delosis.com/listening/home.html

I got 28/30

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"It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run  
out of things they can do with UNIX." - Ken Olsen, President of DEC,  
1984.

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RE: New Battlestar Galactica - no spoilers.

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of kerri miller
Sent: January 8, 2006 2:33 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: New Battlestar Galactica - no spoilers.



--- Max Battcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Harney wrote:
> > One series that I hope wraps up in this or the next season is Stargate: 
> > SG-1.  Despite Ben Browder being one of my favorite actors, I think the 
> > series has had a good run and really needs to conclude rather than 
> > running it until it fizzles out like Sci-fi Channel seems intent on
doing.
> 
> I would interested to see it continue for some time.  No American Sci-Fi 
> tv show has yet to build a good wrong across cast generations.  

I'd agree, although I don't think just hot-swapping Ben Browder for
MacGuyver
counts as a cast generation;  as Gen. Hammond put it in the season premiere,
"I
see you got the band back together."

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That wasn’t the season premiere that was the midseason break ender that
sci-fi channel is so found of doing. I guess you could call it season
9.5 But that is just a little foolish sounding.

nick

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RE: platforms in canada (was :Media Myth - Guns Are Always Bad for Us)

[Nick Lidster]

>Sounds like the conservatives have the more practical solution in this
case.


I doubt it seems that way to those who believe 
that all guns are e—ee—eee—vil . . .


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been 
added to our country and two words have been 
added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that 
is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?"
-- Red Skelton

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I agree the Cons def have the more practical solution in this case and in
most cases their platform does seem more piratical then that of the
"fiberals" and the NDP (new democratic party).


Here are the liberal and conservative platforms for the upcoming election:

Liberal:

http://www.liberal.ca/issues_e.aspx

Our economy:

Following a strategy of balanced tax cuts, social spending and debt
repayment, the Liberal government has invested in our social foundations and
moved us towards a green economy and sustainable communities while enabling
us to overcome a challenging deficit. More..


Cities and communities:

Canada’s cities and communities are where we truly experience what it means
to be Canadian. Paul Martin and the Liberal government understand this and
have committed a great deal to improving where we live and raise our
children. We also know that cities propel economic growth, employment and
innovation. They are at the center of our country’s success. More...


Our families:

Giving families a helping hand, at all stages of life, is an important part
of creating a society of which we can all be proud. Paul Martin and the
Liberal government strive to treat every Canadian family with dignity and
respect. From our children to our seniors, we are committed to promoting
initiatives that reflect everyone’s needs. More...


Canada in the world:

Whether it is through international aid, peacekeeping, trade or security,
the Liberal government is committed to ensuring Canada's continued role of
pride and influence in the world.
More... 

Our environment:

Like the majority of Canadians, Prime Minister Paul Martin and the Liberal
government believe that a smart environmental policy is vital to our
continued success as a nation. We recognize the importance of continuing to
make investments to protect and preserve our rich inheritance of land, water
and wildlife.
More... 

Universal health care:

The Liberal government is committed to upholding the Canada Health Act and
protecting our national, universal health care system. We will ensure that
our health care system will continue to be there when Canadians need it, no
matter where they live, and no matter what their income.
More... 



Conservatives:

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2326/

The Choice:
http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2326/32981?PHPSESSID=29e57798aab7c8f14b477e43a
5886639

The time for accountability has arrived. 

On January 23rd, Canadians will finally be able to hold the Liberals
accountable. Accountable for the stolen money; accountable for the broken
trust; accountable for all that did not get done because this government has
been totally preoccupied with damage control; lurching from one scandal to
another; always trying to avoid the people’s verdict.

Stand Up for Accountability:
http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2326/31885?PHPSESSID=29e57798aab7c8f14b477e43a
5886639

Let’s clean up government 


Canadians have been let down by 12 years of Liberal scandal.  We need a
change in government to restore accountability and end the culture of
entitlement.  Canadians must be able to trust our government and know that
our tax dollars are well spent.  


Stand Up for Opportunity:
http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2326/31896?PHPSESSID=29e57798aab7c8f14b477e43a
5886639

Let’s cut taxes

Canadians are working longer and longer hours but finding it harder and
harder to get ahead.

A new government must create more opportunity for individuals, families, and
small businesses to get ahead.  Under the Liberals, high taxes and red tape
have held back growth and prosperity.  A new government must reduce taxes on
middle-class families starting with the GST, lower taxes on small business,
and help our farmers and resource industries to compete in the world.


Stand Up for Security:
http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2326/31900?PHPSESSID=29e57798aab7c8f14b477e43a
5886639

Let’s crack down on crime

Under the Liberals, gun, drug, and gang crime has increased and border,
port, and airport security has been soft.  A new government must toughen
criminal justice, impose mandatory minimum sentences for serious crimes, 

RE: Media Myth - Guns Are Always Bad for Us

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of William T Goodall
Sent: December 31, 2005 3:28 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Media Myth - Guns Are Always Bad for Us


On 31 Dec 2005, at 3:24 pm, Gary Nunn wrote:

>
> I apologize in advance, because I know this topic can get a bit  
> heated on
> this list. The reason I'm posting this, is because this is the  
> first media
> article that I've seen, from a major media outlet, that makes an  
> attempt to
> be fair and accurate.
>

>If the difference in violent crime or murder rates or whatever was  
>really obviously significantly different between gun-control/non-gun- 
>control areas then one side or the other of the debate would be  
>trumpeting that fact loudly. So whatever difference guns make it  
>isn't enough for either side to have proved it after years of argument.

>Given that we have strict controls over the sale of alcohol, tobacco,  
>fireworks and other possibly harmful materials it seems entirely  
>sensible and in line with other regulation to control firearms sales  
>especially since there is no compelling evidence that they  
>significantly improve (or harm) personal safety *in general* but are  
>obviously dangerous items individually.

>Most comparisons of gun ownership/crime rates are apples/oranges  
>comparisons. Anomalies like Switzerland crop up.

>I'd be interested in a comparison of the USA with places that are  
>similar such as Canada or Australia. That might be more enlightening  
>than comparisons with Europe or South America.


>-- 
>William T Goodall
>Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
>Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

>If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C?

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http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/050628/d050628a.htm

"Health Reports: Deaths involving firearms
2002:
 
The rate of deaths involving firearms declined by more than one-half between
1979 and 2002, according to a new report based on the most recent data
available from the Canadian Mortality Data Base.

The report in the latest edition of Health Reports showed that 816
individuals — 767 males and 49 females — died from injuries related to
firearms in 2002.

Among males, this represented a rate of 4.9 deaths for every 100,000
population, down from 10.6 in 1979. The rate for females fell from 1.2
deaths for every 100,000 population to 0.3.

In each year during this period, about four-fifths of firearms-related
deaths were suicides. Homicides accounted for around 15% of such deaths, and
about 4% were unintentional.

In 1979, the rate of deaths related to firearms was highest among young
people aged 15 to 24. By 2002, the differences between age groups had
largely disappeared for people aged 15 or older.

The risk of death from an injury related to firearms was a fraction of that
in the United States. In 2000, the rate of homicide involving a gun in the
United States was 3.8 for every 100,000 population, nearly eight times
Canada's rate of 0.5.

In Canada, homicides accounted for 18% of deaths involving firearms in 2000,
compared with 38% in the United States.

Decline in homicide rates involving firearms:

Canada's rate of homicide involving firearms declined since 1979, mirroring
a decrease in the overall homicide rate. However, the proportion of
homicides in which a firearm was used remained fairly stable over the entire
period at just under one-third.

A report based on police records indicates that handguns accounted for
two-thirds of homicides involving firearms in 2002, up from about one-half
during the 1990s. Rifles and shotguns accounted for one-quarter of all
homicides involving firearms.

In 2002, 31 people were unintentionally killed by firearms, less than
one-half of the total of 71 in 1979. Three of the victims in 2002 were
younger than 15, compared with 16 in 1979. Another 3 were between 15 and 24
compared with 27 in 1979. Declines in death rates in these two age groups
accounted for much of the drop in the overall rate of unintentional
firearms-related deaths between 1979 and 2002.

Among all suicides committed throughout the 1980s, around one in three
involved firearms. By 2002, this proportion had declined to only about one
in six."



Ok with the US being roughly 10x the pop of Canada were at about 32.5
million right now that would put us scaled up at about 8200 persons having
firearm related deaths. With direct homicide that would be about 2500 at us
pop. Our rate hold true to about one third of firearm related deaths being
homicides.

Keep in mind that this is all 2002 stats well '77 through'02 and this year
in Ontario alone the total fire arm deaths are @ 71 up 30 from previous
years that’s a 73% jump. The latest was a boxing day shooting in Toronto
that claimed the life of a 15 year old girl and injured 6 others. Its now
looking like there will be a near total ban on all hand guns if the Liberals

RE: Battlestar Galactica renewed

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
Sent: November 27, 2005 2:24 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed

On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Kevin Street wrote:

> William T Goodall quoted:
>
>> SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its original series
>> Battlestar Galactica for a third season. Production on the 20-episode
>> order is slated to begin in Vancouver, Canada, in February 2006 for
>> premiere later in the year, the network said.
>
> This is great news, but it's kind of ironic too. The series is shot 
> here in
> Canada, but we won't get to see the second season until January...

I thought it was funny watching SI when "Boomer" was getting her ass 
kicked on the roof of some warehouse in Calgary or Toronto, wondering 
how the producers had managed to get just the right angle to make the 
city look like "Caprica". The other good one was an OTS shot that 
showed a radio tower with a huge W on top of it. W what?

I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development 
and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the "reset button" at 
episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in 
the background when shooting dialogue in some "alien" world's back 
alley?


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filmed in Vancouver BC. The "W" on that radio tower is a historical
structure in Vancouver... not far from UBC campus if IIRC... and the
building its on is part of a student housing and shop complex.

nick 

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RE: RFID clothing

[Nick Lidster]

I cannot think of a single society in human history that has ever been 
successful for an extended period while insisting on rigid 
identification and tracking protocols for individuals. It sure as hell 
didn't work for the USSR, did it?

RFID tracking of schoolchildren is a major step into damnation.


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well as odd as it may sound I believe that the USSR may have survived much
longer and been more "communal" had the tech existed to allow for tighter
control, well a less intrusive control, that was more efficient then the
report you neighbor policy, it would have been more of an report yourself
policy. 

As much as we all hate to admit it, the world is turning farther and farther
to the left and a strong democratic communist government will arise to take
the place of the failing social lagging governments of today.

Personally a more direct approach of governing is required where the
citizens actually give a damn, and actually vote. This is a little starship
trooper style, however it does have merit over all. A social style where
citizenship is not a right of birth but a privilege earned through many
different avenues. One can live and work and prosper without ever being a
citizen, just you cant vote or have a say in what happens to the nation.
Where a citizen has direct voting capabilities, their vote counts the same
as everyone else's it can happen and I think it would weed out many of
the morons that vote because they can and then vote for nut job
candidates... it becomes a spoiled ballet, and a waste of everyone's
time. 

nick

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RE: RFID clothing

[Nick Lidster]

>
Wrong focus. If a classroom is not an environment wherein each student 
is individually engaged and encouraged to learn by a teacher - and this 
means making a human and individual connection with each child that 
would totally obviate the need for RFID, thumb scanners and all the 
rest - then it's almost certain that the classroom experience will be a 
dismal failure.

Schools are not meant to be day-care facilities and they are not meant 
to be maximum-security incarceration institutions. It's pathetic that 
communities have let them become that. The solution is not to throw 
technology at the problem; it's to get parents AND teachers involved, 
together, in the education process as a team. As it is teachers, more 
and more, are expected to hold the role of parents, and that's simply 
not their job.


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<


Well if the parents are the problem and the teachers are not the solution
then does it fall to the system or the state to fix the problems that are
happening? If this is the case then wouldn't technology be better served to
a classroom to help maximum efficiency of time for the teacher? More time
that a teacher has to teach the better, however I do see the point of the
matter that one good teacher that can reach the most disenchanted of
students is worth more then oil. Lets be realistic the system is broken
there Is no fix on the horizon, is the best course till a fix can be found
and actually implemented to try and maximize the current system and its
flaws. I have more then one way to fix the system but it would be hard and
would take the full generation for the effects to be fully seen. With the
way that government works it might last 3yrs till someone new came to power
with a different agenda.

Nick

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RE: RFID clothing

[Nick Lidster]

Why don't we just snuff the entire debate and put in a thumb scanner at the
door of the classroom complete with thumb activated image capture of the
individual whose thumb is being scanned, add to that RFID and video IQ to
the already growing number of surveillance systems and you now have full
spectral coverage of the school environment. Lets be honest it would be
somewhat hard to explain why your carrying a severed finger... or where/how
you lost yours.  

Nick "1984" Lidster

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Threshold

[Nick Lidster]

So did anyone watch the 2h premier last night on CBS?

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RE: Guns kill people

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of William T Goodall
Sent: September 3, 2005 5:19 AM
To: Brin-L
Subject: Guns kill people

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210558.stm

"For the first time in 13 years Brazil has seen a fall in the number  
of deaths caused by firearms.
Last year 36,000 people were killed by guns - a drop of 8% from 2003,  
according to the health ministry.

The government says the change is due to innovative disarmament  
measures, including a gun buy-back scheme.

The figures were released on Friday, seven weeks before a national  
referendum on whether to ban outright the sale of guns."



-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

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ok I have to say it


"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."


Nick "high noon" Lidster

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RE: Killing threads

[Nick Lidster]

He I just use outlook and I find that when I drag all the times out to the
inbox they don't usually go back with the next lot of incomings...


Nick 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of PAT MATHEWS
Sent: August 20, 2005 2:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Killing threads


I've been deleting everything headed "Mindless and heartless," not wanting 
any part of this particular debate. This morning, hotmail decided items on 
this thread - and the people sending it - were therefore junk mail. It took 
me 5 minutes to un-junk them, since hotmail does not deal in groups: just 
individual items or the entire page.

Does anyone here who uses hotmail have an answer for this? Besides using 
another mailserver.

Pat


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RE: Are you in the right religion?

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:24 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Are you in the right religion?

2005/8/3, Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
> 
> I find it fascinating that Roman Catholocism is so remote from the
> Christian Protestants.
> According to mine, I am 98% Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants,
> yet only 14% Catholic.
> In between is 30% Islam, 66% Buddhism, and 82% Neo-Pagan.
> 
> Cheers
> Russell C.
> (Anglican married to a Catholic)

  Don't forget that the results are skewed towards the opinions/prejudices 
of the test's creator. Many of the possible answers looked to me like they 
were there to differentiate between Protestant and Catholic, with the 
Catholic answer being a typical Protestant caricature of our beliefs. (E.g.
the nature of the Trinity)

I didn't make it to the end of the questionnaire.
 Jean-Louis
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 what was it... 3 4 pages? At 5 questions each Takes like 2 mins to do
it. and you spout about how it was done... and how the questions were
geared, yet you never even finished it.


You must have done up to the 2nd page did ya?

Nick "neo pagan" Lidster

Hehehe im NEO.

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RE: space shuttle obsolete

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jon Mann
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:10 AM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: space shuttle obsolete

Ever since the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded on takeoff I realized 
NASA technology is neither safe nor cost effective, but a multi billion 
dollar business.   I believe that the Russian approach to orbital 
launches is cheaper and far less dangerous.  It appears the Chinese 
will also be relying on rocket launches rather than expensive and 
inefficient orbital vehicles.
Here is my idea that I have proposed to friends who have far more 
knowledge and expertise than a layman such as myself.
Use tried and true disposable solid fuel boosters to launch satellites, 
robotic missions,  scientific experiments, etc.  And when necessary, 
human astronauts to work on the space station, make repairs on the 
Hubble, etc.  Rather than using an antiquated shuttle system it would 
by more practical to develop nuclear powered smaller vehicles that 
could be launched like the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Capsules, but 
with better propulsion and maneuvering technology.  It could remain 
docked to the space station, providing additional living space, and 
available for interorbital missions, such as repairing the Hubble and 
eventually returning to the moon.  It is impractical to launch heavy 
shuttles out of the gravity well and then return them to earth, 
subjecting them to re-entry damage and endangering the lives of our 
hero astronauts.  Continue to use them in orbit and return the 
astronauts the old fashioned way.  The logistics should not be 
difficult.

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I'll say this First before I go farther, I really don't want to be a nay
sayer to your idea as I have similar views about the current and future
manned space exploration outlook. However, there are several things that I
would like to highlight from your post as some food for thought about it.

"I believe that the Russian approach to orbital launches is cheaper and far
less dangerous.  It appears the Chinese will also be relying on rocket
launches rather than expensive and inefficient orbital vehicles."

Though I do agree that "now" this approach is a safer bet for crew
survivability, there were quite a few launch failures with loss of payload
and crew, the US shuttle program can only see 2 massive failures to date
Challenger and Columbia. 

Before I make my next point off of this I will make some admissions, I will
not argue that the Shuttle is tres expensive. However at the time it was
built is was the cutting edge in technology, and as was said in a previous
post if you were to ask a shuttle engineer if they thought the shuttle would
be flying in '05 they would laugh, the thing simply was not meant to be in
operation for 30+ yrs. (yes I know they all didn't come out in '75 but the
design has been around since the)

The reason why the vehicles themselves are cheaper is because they are toss
away, im sure someone with more knowledge will tell me that they salvage
much of the electronics from one Soyuz for one under construction replacing
as needed to reduce cost, but I don't know that for sure. The shuttle was
designed to be a multi task vehicle, which it still is, what is needed is a
modular system with a return to earth capability something again modular but
in the sence that the payload module can be launch automated and return to
earth automated after dropping off its payload, and have a reuse of say
15+/- flights. I would want the option that the crew module can launch and
return on its own, so if you have to do a crew change on the ISS you don't
have to launch an entire vehicle. In the same breathe I would want it to
have the option of launching with the payload module.

" Rather than using an antiquated shuttle system it would by more practical
to develop nuclear powered smaller vehicles that could be launched like the
Mercury, Gemini and Apollo Capsules, but with better propulsion and
maneuvering technology."

Ok here I go sounding like a crazy scared old nuclear watch dog.. I
think that giving a larger power source to manned and unmanned missions is a
great idea, and very necessary as it takes away power limits for scientific
payloads on DS missions. However the more you launch them and return them
the higher the chance of a catastrophic failure and we have a nuclear could
falling over the world. even as you have put it they would stay docked
to the ISS there has to be away for the crew to return home, so they have to
have reentry capability, and poking a nuke on a one hop capsule to me just
isn't cost effective. Granted as I said above you can salvage from each cap.
And drop cost but I'm still wary about having a crew return vehicle that has
a nuke on board. Before you say well we can have it removable in orbit and
it can be connected to the ISS for additio

RE: Those who do not critique his theory, are doomed to repeat it......

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Leonard Matusik
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:54 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Those who do not critique his theory, are doomed to repeat it..

Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:28:34 +0100 William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Leonard Matusik wrote:
>>on Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:53:59 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
>>>On 7/10/05, KZK wrote:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/507/56.php
 
The influential Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna has suggested
 that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be
 incompatible with Catholic faith.
 
>>>This disagrees with previous Catholic Church doctrine regarding 
evolution.
>>>For decades children going to Catholic School had been taught there is
>>>no incompatibility between Darwin and Church teachings. A new
>>>conservative Pope and now Cardinals following the lead of Protestant
>>>fundamentalists - are we headed for a new "mildly Darkish Age" -
>>>trying to head off another long exchange about the degree of darkness
>>>the last one was?
 
>>GARY DENTON! using the *F* word again (Fundamentalist :#) 
>>To tell the truth I agree with the good Cardinal. The advancement of 
>>evolutionary theory is in a deplorable state. Maybe I haven't kept up 
>>with it properly but how is it again that we explain blind cave fish and 
>>alkaloids in higher plants from a Drawinian-TM  perspective? 
 
>I think we have the answer!
 
 
 

(bt) No, ..  I'm sorry .that is INcorrect.
(and we have run out of time for you to make good on it)
The answer to the question: 
"How is it again that we explain blind cave fish and 
higher plant alkaloids from a Drawinian-TM  perspective? "
is... "Poorly at best, William..poorly at best".
("I think we MAY have AN answer" would have also been accepted)
 ...but thanks for playing
our little game.
 
The *point* of the matter IS that, Charles Darwin was a deeply spiritual man

who did not approach his very young theory with the flippancy 
of most people today.
THAT is what Cardinal Chris is pointing out. 
(and notice the qualifying language he uses, 
the Church has learned alot since Gallileo)
 
ButDavid Loye says it better:
"In the Descent of Man Charles Darwin wrote only twice of "survival of the
fittest" — but 95 times about love! 92 times about moral sensitivity. And
200 times about brain and mind.
Suppression over 100 years of the real Darwin has led to the social,
political, economic, scientific, educational, moral and spiritual mess we
are in today." 
---for more Darwin fun check out his web site
http://www.thedarwinproject.com/
(and no this is NOT a Catholic site, it's a tree-hugger site)
 
Leonard "HighOnPope" Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_
"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence  
whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the  
silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more  
likely to be foolish than sensible."
- Bertrand Russell
_
(easy, eh? random mutation, natural selection;..random mutation, natural
selection;
random mutation, natural selection;... random mutation, natural
selection
..try singing it with a little songfun for the whole
family.
.. and to think *he* had to write a whole bloody book...
pompous boffin.)





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all I have to say about it is this. Young Travis, and myself both went
through the same Catholic school system. it produced us that says it
all... lolhowever what needs to be seen is that we were taught
Darwinism, and were shown how it relates to the old test testament, and how
the old testament should not be viewed as fact how it was an interpretation
for the masses to understand where and how we became. I remember with rather
great detail one religion teacher (keep in mind that our religion class was
not a dogmatic catholic study it was a study of morality and spirituality of
our and other religions) asking us who here watches star trek few put up
their hands, however his point was about TOS and TNG, look to TOS as the
building blocks to what we were and what morality has become, look to TNG as
being the end product, that will "evolve" as human kind's understanding of
the world changes. He went on to say that religion is only the vessel that
is used to show us the moral implications of actions, and to assist us in
developing our spirit so that it maybe able to reside after death in heaven.


Nick "beam me up, God" Lidster

RE: There's a reason it's called a cursor

[Nick Lidster]

Got to settings for it and turn off the short cut key... 

nick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:14 AM
To: Brin-L
Subject: There's a reason it's called a cursor

Can anyone PLEASE tell me how to PERMANENTLY DISABLE "Sticky Keys" in Win 
XP?  Every now and then it will get turned on by accident and the only way 
I have found to turn it off is to reboot (I've tried to select "Cancel" 
when the box comes up to tell me it's been activated, but that doesn't seem 
to work.)  Having this "feature" come on when I'm in the middle of trying 
to do something is VERY ANNOYING!  (As if you couldn't tell . . . )


-- Ronn!  :)


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RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of PAT MATHEWS
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:18 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off
tonight

>From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation.

We did, in DS-9, which I loved. Apparently, viewers didn't. When TV finally 
reran it, it was daytimes when I'm in school (Sob)

A
>>Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who 
>>didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when 
>>tensions were at their all-time high.

All-time high? I'd call it a Cold War analog. Kirk seemed to be able to zip 
in and out of trouble with a lot less trouble than, say, Picard and the 
Borg.

>>
>>I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin 
>>philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be 
>>magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded 
>>and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out 
>>a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe

>>of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons

>>and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over

>>the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence.
>>
>>Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a 
>>brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* 
>>those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And 
>>because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them 
>>badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from 
>>seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation.
>>
>>What happens then?

See FIREFLY.  Or why I love Firefly.

>>
>>And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... 
>>and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of 
>>independence, internal ethics and so forth?

Hoo boy! "We, the people of the United States of Backofbeyond"

>>
>>Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That 
>>to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. 
>>Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, "Prime 
>>Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! 
>>Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes!"

"to the sound of thunderous applause from the homeworld." The locals 
would be labeled "Terrorists". See also "Indian Wars."


>
>Not tea bag of an idea really (current political parallels aside), but it's

>my understanding that fans have already been dealt the dark side of things 
>with DS9, and by and large want a return to the more quixotical side of 
>things best exemplified by early TNG and of course the irrepressible and 
>avant-garde TOS.
>
>I'll try to dig up some articles on that if I can.
>
>-Travis
>
I think Trek has run through the entire cycle of possible events and 
mindsets at this point, and will either need to reinvent itself well and 
truly, or wait until we're in a Kirk-ish mood again (along about 2020?) or 
go quietly to the "Best of the XXth Century" museum.

Notice  how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one 
is said to be the best yet. We've been getting a different Superman for 
every decade, too, which isn't working quite as well, but Smallville is 
excellent. Reinventions that failed miserably include my all-time favorite, 
Catwoman (Poor Halle Berry, stuck with such a dreadful script and costume!)

Pat


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as something that myself and Travis have discussed on more then one
occasion. The reinvention of the wheel is not so much needed as the drive
train needs to be updated, or the vehicle that it moves needs to be changed.
Something that we have discussed has been running 2 separate shows that take
place during the same time period about 20yrs post Nemesis. That way you can
bring in the aging TNG DS9 and Voyager characters in some roles as admirals
or retired SF members and what not. However the show lengths will only be
30mins one show would be based on star fleet academy say "Star Trek:
Star Fleet Academy" and would follow the lives of 6 classmates as them go
through their training. The other would be based on the Romulan fleet
academy and again would follow the lives of 4 class mates and a few
instructors. The 2 shows would run in the normal 1h time slot back to back,
for approx 4 - 5 seasons. 4 seasons being for their actual school time
frame, and season 5 for the first year of their deployment onto a starship
or else where. During season 4 1 other new show will be introduced and will
be a regular 1h slot and will air every 2weeks. It will build up the sto

RE: Intel quietly Adds Palladium DRM and Backdoor Networking to New Processors

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Land
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:55 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Intel quietly Adds Palladium DRM and Backdoor Networking to New
Processors

KZK wrote:

> http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
> 
> Intel quietly adds DRM to new chips
> 
> Microsoft and the entertainment industry's holy grail of controlling 
> copyright through the motherboard has moved a step closer with Intel 
> Corp. now embedding digital rights management within in its latest 
> dual-core processor Pentium D and accompanying 945 chipset.

Understanding fully that it's only a matter of time before IBM and
Motorola start thus encumbering their PowerPC chips, and acknowledging
last week's rumor that a certain computer company down the road from
here is (once again) considering the use of Intel silicon in their
products, I am reminded again why it is that I prefer computers from
Apple.

Oh, wait. They're the bad guys now, because of the iPod's proprietary
AAC nonsense.

Dave "Can't Win, Can't Lose, Can't Even Quit" Land

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dave don't forget that Apple is thinking about using Intel chips as well in
their computers 

nick "cant get ahead" Lidster

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RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Edmunds
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:01 AM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off
tonight


>From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion 
>To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" 
>Subject: Star Trek signs off tonight
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:35:03 -0400
>
>As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to
>back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be?

Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant 
future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough 
ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough 
to be easily connected with "present day" Trek a la the conclusion of 
Voyager.

-Travis

_


The Travis and I have discussed this on many occasions, and a future jump
some 50-100 years into the future would be great as Travis said a la
voyager. 

Personally I would not mind something out the back door of the federation...
a la mirror universe. You could do a 4-5 season run and start at "first
Contact" and complete somewhere near the end of DS9. Yes I know it is around
300-400 years to cover but a lot of that time is spread out under occupation
by the alliance so you can cover some human uprisings and such. Do the whole
rise and fall of the Terran Empire, its occupation, persucation and the
start of its new rise to strength and power with the starting of the New
Federation or it "good" mirror self.

Nick... good bye T'pol I shall miss you 

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RE: the question of reality glitches

[Nick Lidster]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Ackley
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:02 AM
To: Brin-L@mccmedia.com
Subject: the question of reality glitches

On reality glitches;  Aside from proving anything, I have a question or 
three;
1)  Can the past be changed?  (or does time have more than one
dimension?)
2)  If so, can it be changed so that two or more people have differing 
memories?
3)  What effects do recording have?
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I went into some relative areas before about this, not dealing with reality
in its self, though it can be easily expanded into. I'm not sure if I ever
covered this on the list but ill do one up here now.


Reality:
1.  The quality or state of being actual or true.
2.  One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: "the
weight of history and political realities" (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.). 
3.  The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or
essence.
4.  That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not
seem to be about reality. 
Truth:
1.  Conformity to fact or actuality.
2.  A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
3.  Sincerity; integrity.
4.  Fidelity to an original or standard.
5.  
a.  Reality; actuality.
b.  often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and
to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.
Time:
a.  .  A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently
irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.
b.  An interval separating two points on this continuum; a duration: a
long time since the last war; passed the time reading. 
c.  A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an
interval: ran the course in a time just under four minutes. 
d.  A similar number representing a specific point on this continuum,
reckoned in hours and minutes: checked her watch and recorded the time, 6:17
A.M. 
e.  A system by which such intervals are measured or such numbers are
reckoned: solar time. 
a.  .  An interval, especially a span of years, marked by similar
events, conditions, or phenomena; an era. Often used in the plural: hard
times; a time of troubles. 
b.  times The present with respect to prevailing conditions and trends:
You must change with the times. 
.  A suitable or opportune moment or season: a time for taking stock of
one's life. 
a.  .  Periods or a period designated for a given activity: harvest
time; time for bed. 
b.  Periods or a period necessary or available for a given activity: I
have no time for golf. 
c.  A period at one's disposal: Do you have time for a chat? 

Human memory is a very interesting and deceitful thing. Though we may
believe that what remember is the exact and unaltered truth of what we saw,
done, read, in the past it does not make it so. It has been documented
through several experiments that over a given time the suggestibility of
human memory will cause a change in our long and short term memory.
Sometimes the most unreliable thing to have in a police investigation is an
eyewitness. Dealing with memories of a event with multiple eyewitnesses
comes down in some terms that of having to use the process of observation
defined in quantum astronomy. Where an object must be viewed by several
different observing devices and combined in order to see the actual object
for what it is.  i.e. We take 100  people and get them to look at a basket
ball bouncing on a court. Then take tem in separate rooms and get them to
describe the ball and its actions, you will get 100 different observations
of the ball. Combing these 100 different observations we will get a more
complete and accurate observation of what the basketball actually looked
like while bouncing on the court. 

To observe is to change the object in question by adding the observer to the
observation then a more accurate image can be created. Simple enough right.
Nope. No matter how many observations are done we will never get a complete
and fully accurate picture of the ball, let alone what the ball was doing.
Was it bouncing? Was it rolling? The entire problem is that of those 100
people 1 person could accurately see and describe the ball, and another the
way the ball bounced. The other 98 people will have varying observations
that will distort the purity of the image of the combined 2 observers.

Truth, I heard it once being described as, "As long as the subject believes
that what he says is the truth then to him it will be the truth, regardless
to what everyone else has seen, and what the tape shows."

It reminds me of Plato's Cave theory. I found a relatively good explanation
of it here http://theosophy.org/tlodocs/AllegoryoftheCave.htm . i have
included a excerpt below.

The allegory begins with a graphic picture of the pathetic condition of the
majori

Time, reality, and preception. (was: the question of reality glitches)

[Nick Lidster]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Ackley
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:02 AM
To: Brin-L@mccmedia.com
Subject: the question of reality glitches

On reality glitches;  Aside from proving anything, I have a question or 
three;
1)  Can the past be changed?  (or does time have more than one
dimension?)
2)  If so, can it be changed so that two or more people have differing 
memories?
3)  What effects do recording have?

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off topic: WEb Video

[Nick Lidster]

Received a question from a friend of mine that is starting to do up a
website. And he does not want the video to stream off the site. Ive tried a
few things, and it seems that for some reason any v-clip that I try to link
to, it will auto launch the required program, with the exception being .asf
files, which prompt the open or save features.

Is there anyone here that may know of a way of forcing the file to be
downloaded, short of compressing it into a zip file.

Nick

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RE: [Satire] Flintstones Are Way Too Gay

[Nick Lidster]

Fred and Barney should be banned because they are virtually
inseparable, are never seen wearing pants and live together in the
suggestively-named town of Bedrock, complains a conservative activist


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6934878/site/newsweek

The ongoing campaign against alleged gay icons in animated cartoons
continued today as a newly formed conservative group demanded that
television stations stop broadcasting "The Flintstones" at once.

Harland Devane, leader of the group Focus on the Flintstones, said at
a press conference in Washington, D.C. today that his organization was
issuing the demand because, "Quite simply, everything about 'The
Flintstones' is way too gay."

The conservative activist distributed a memo itemizing over 50 ways in
which the self-styled "modern Stone Age family" series promotes
homosexuality, but left little doubt that most of his concerns
centered on the relationship between the two main characters, Fred
Flintstone and Barney Rubble.

"Their relationship is more flagrantly homosexual than anything in
Oliver Stone's 'Alexander,'" Devane said.

He pointed out that Fred and Barney are virtually inseparable, are
never seen wearing pants and live together in the suggestively-named
town of Bedrock.
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I guess if a time machine existed, he would demand that police officers go
back in time and give tickets to persons that were naked, for indecent
exposure .. when everyone is naked.LOL. The Live in a Town called
bed rock h perhaps next they will attempt to get rock strata renamed
as "bedrock" is homosexual. IT'S THE STONE AGE! 
_
He also noted that the two men work together at a quarry wearing hard
hats and construction garb, an oblique reference to the construction
worker in the classic disco band "The Village People."
-
Where else are they going to work? A computer factory?

--
"Do I believe they are gay icons?" Mr. Devane said.  "I
abba-dabba-do."

He added that Focus on the Flintstones' efforts will not stop at
banning the cartoon series from U.S. television stations, telling
reporters that the group is also "taking a close look" at
Flintstone-related consumer products such as Flintstone vitamins and
cereal.

"We are very uncomfortable with Fruity Pebbles," he said.
-
I wonder what they think when they get a fruit basket?

-

Elsewhere, President Bush announced a budget of $2.57 trillion, most
of which will go to paying for last month's inauguration.



xponent

Yabba Dabba Maru

rob


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LOL seriously how many people here are uncomfortable with homosexuality?
Some of these people would get a rude awakening if one of their kids were
gay though they would cite the "Flintstones" as being the cause of their
child's preference.. LOL


Some people make me sick and they are the ones that cannot see past
their own noses 

LAFF


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Re: SpamAdaption

[Nick Lidster]

On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Nick Lidster wrote:
Have to ask how shooting someone will make people stop sending spam? did 
thedeath penealty stop peoople from committing murder?
I realize that on the internet one expects to see emoticons to act as cues 
for determining whether a poster is happy, sad or winking; I 
*occasionally* prefer to leave people in the dark as to my intent, 
allowing the cues in the text itself to act as tone.

My post can be read as wry, sarcastic, serious, what have you. Do you 
honestly believe I'd advocate shooting spammers?

--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
Well i certainly did understand that you were tring to make a funny. However 
Where im from if your making a funny... it had better be able to be defended 
if challenged. Namely this happens with jokes that make you go "hmmm well it 
is funny... but it just does not sound right." AS for your statement it did 
put a smile on my face at the point of the adding a rider for chain mail, I 
found it cute.

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Re: SpamAdaption

[Nick Lidster]

Too complicated. I have a much simpler solution.
1. Track down the spammer.
2. Shoot him thro' the head.
This has the added advantage of being a hell of a deterrent. "You mean I 
can be shot for sending junk email?"

...and maybe we can add a rider to eliminate chain letters too.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
Have to ask how shooting someone will make people stop sending spam? did 
thedeath penealty stop peoople from committing murder?

yes yes you could say that you can not get rid of murder entirely, as you do 
have crimes of passion. but Premed' they beleive they can get away with 
itwouldnt the same hold true for a spammer?

NIck "is this another strawman?" Lidster 

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Re: Irregulars question: Nothing to do with computers as such

[Nick Lidster]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Well, sort of, but not the type we are using here:
I am thinking of adding driving/fog lamps to a 1995 vehicle which did not 
originally have them.  Someone (a man at church who sold cars part-time) 
told me a long time ago that doing something like that which adds a 
significant extra electrical load to the system can cause problems on 
cars built within the past 20 years or so which have a computer as part 
of the electrical/ignition system.  Does anyone know if that is true, or 
is it safe to add them?  Obviously it will do no good to mess something 
up and render the vehicle inoperable.

(FWIW, I have experience installing such lights on an older 
(pre-computer-as-an-essential-part-of-the-system) vehicle . . . )
If there is any such problem, I'd imagine that using a relay, so that the 
drain comes straight off the battery, would mitigate it, since car 
batteries act as pretty good voltage regulators on their own.

Never heard of such a problem, though.
Nick
good call Nick, that is actualy the process that you would go through. the 
only time that you would not have to worry about it is if the car had the 
option for Fog Lamps. then in that case their would be no need for a relay, 
as the computer and electrical system has already been setup ofr the 
hardware. for example, '93 Grand Cherokee's, have the option for fog lamps. 
Through the dealer you can purchase a new dash mounted switch, that would 
replace the existing one for the head lamps. The New switch has the option 
for the fog lamps already built in, no need for extra wiring needed to be 
ran back to the dash. just plug in the module to the switch, and run a new 
module from the wiring harness to the lamps. However for cost, it is much 
cheaper to run a new switch and relay.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed

[Nick Lidster]

--
Call me an old fart, but when I was growing up, series used to produce 
26-30
episodes a year.  Now we' re happy with 13, and they probably won't be in
consecutive weeks.

George A
well when aired on SkyOne the only break was over christmas... and that was 
for 3 weeks. However who knows how SciFi will air them.

and kerri with teh multinationalism of this list, im sure there are several 
memebrs that have seen the entire season. tho your assumption of 
BitTorrent is correct in my case :) jsut couldnt wait till january to start 
watching it, well more or less i was looking for teh miniseries to show a 
friend, and i came across ep01, and ep02, and aftera little searching 
discovered that it was airing in the UK. Temtation was made so here I stand 
waiting to find out when it will be aired on Skyone again for season 2 ;)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed

[Nick Lidster]

I'm all full of TV happiness :)
--
William T Goodall

as am i...as am i.
i jsut hope i dont have to wait tillnext january for teh shows to aired on 
skyone... as i have already seen this entire season

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Re: Enterprise Cancelled

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled



In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . .
I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it.
Damon.

Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C
 
if your refering to the motion picture... it may have something to do with 
the supertight jumpers that they wore you see less of a swimmer in a 
speedo

comeon who wants to see shatner in a speedo?
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Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life

[Nick Lidster]

why not jsut turn their logic around on them and say that wouldnt god want 
all of amn to be saved... and if you want to hasten his return would you not 
also be condemed to the hellfires with the sinners?

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: NASA envisions Mars warmed up for life


Warren,
On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:46 PM, David Land wrote:
And why not? "Left Behind"-reading, Biblical-literalist eco-terrorists
are plotting the demise of Earth in order to force God's hand and bring
about the end of days anyway.
Oh? Have you heard some news of which I'm unaware?
I'm reasonably sure that this has been discussed on the list, but here's
(http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/) an
article that discusses the topic. Especially, the following:
But a scripture-based justification for anti-environmentalism?
Many Christian fundamentalists feel that concern for the future
of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. They
believe we are living in the End Time, when the son of God will
return, the righteous will enter heaven, and sinners will be
condemned to eternal hellfire. They may also believe, along with
millions of other Christian fundamentalists, that environmental
destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed
-- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.
I'm reading "Saving the Bible From Fundamentalism" right now -- it
touches on exactly this kind of so-called "logic" that these scary
people use to support their nutty agenda.
They need somewhere for La Haye's sick fantasy of suffering for
people who don't believe just like him and his kind to take
place.
And how appropriate it would be a place like Mars, named after a PAGAN
god, who was an earlier PAGAN god under the Greeks, and we all know what
*they* were famous for.**
Yes: logic. And we all know how popular *that* is among the religious
right.
God help us.
Um. Years ago I had a button that read, "Dear lord, please protect me
from your followers." However, I'd appeal to something a little closer
to material reality for help. ;)
That's pretty much exactly what I meant. I have often wondered about the
wisdom of God in putting us in charge of furthering His work on earth.
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Re: SpamAdaption

[Nick Lidster]

I love how age is brought in so soon. wow.. im a KID.. lol thx that 
actualy made my day :)

- Original Message - 
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: SpamAdaption


On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Nick Lidster wrote:
Eliminate Windows and you'll eliminate spam. As well as proximally all
viruses extant today.
"So what your saying is that, programers wouldnt be able to create a 
viris that could infect a mac OS?, or any other os that is not windows 
based?"
I'd like you to show me where I said that.
If you cant read, it is that quote i took from you "Eliminate Windows and 
you'll eliminate spam. As well as proximally all viruses extant today." 
seems pretty close on the mark to but then again i dont know english.


I said nothing of the kind; in fact there have been some rather 
devastating 'nix-based viruses over the years; one of the big ones from 
the 80s (I believe) was a sendmail worm that allowed *email* based 
instructions to root a system. Bad stuff, but fortunately one that was 
caught and secured against some time ago.

The virus detection and killing front is constantly changing. Only a fool 
would imply otherwise. However, only a fool would suggest that the 
inherently-insecure Windows platform is anything but the number one 
propagation engine for viruses in the world today.
did i ever say that it is not?.. but what is the main market share OS? 
if it wasn't would there still be as much "viri" travelling the net?
I'll snip the asinine hyperbole...
Take the MS OS out of the equation... say 5 yrs from now. leaving any 
other upstart to take over the market share you actualy think that 
programmers witht he knowledge and skill are going to jsut say... w00t 
w00t MS is goone lets not bother tring to make a viris that can attack 
these other OS's.
So your belief is that MS is attacked because it's the most prevalent 
platform? Into which orifice have you inserted your cranium?
Fact "largest market share". most of the "kids" are born to MS... they learn 
the loopholes and exploit them, born on linix would they not do the same, or 
MAC as that is what i was using as my example before. lets look at the US as 
MS.. most influence to market share hated by the underlings that are 
influenced by there power.. attacked because of their market share.

"Into which orifice have you inserted your cranium?" the same one as you.. 
and BTW stop making kissy faces ;)


I love talking to low end mac users that say "i cant get a viris im on a 
MAC", then talk to a HIgh end user "well im sure that i dont have a 
viris... but you know what it is possible that i may get one, it will 
only take a person to decide to do it  and it will be done... and when it 
happens there will be some pissed off mac users"
I've got ten plus years professional experience in programming. On 
multiple platforms. I'll wager I've forgotten more about hacking code than 
you've ever learned.
that is a good bet id take a wager on that one but because you have 
forgotten is that because your coming on in years?

And since you feel it appropriate to set up a straw man and then knock it 
down in as insulting an ad-hominem fashion as your shrunken cortex can 
formulate, here's some advice for you, kid. Get a spelling dictionary or 
go back to school. The word is VIRUS, not "viris", and you really need to 
learn a few things about apostrophizing as well.
lol, the straw man was your first post, which you set up yourself, knocking 
it down.. well i dont see that i knocked it down illuminated some flaws 
perhaps to which you resort to attacking my presious "shrunken cortex", 
with such big words that i amy not be able to understand as my IQ must be 
lower then yours...as i am soo much younger then you. a bruised ego appears 
to have been amde of you... perhaps thats why your so defensive...hit a 
nerve on your "huge cortex"

I won't engage in dialog with low-end *English* users. This discussion is 
terminated.
thats something i expected from my History profh could it be?
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf

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Re: SpamAdaption

[Nick Lidster]

Eliminate Windows and you'll eliminate spam. As well as proximally all
viruses extant today.
"So what your saying is that, programers wouldnt be able to create a viris 
that could infect a mac OS?, or any other os that is not windows based?" 
LMAO im sorry this is about the funniest thing that i ahve ever read on this 
list. even funnier then the whole thread on Social Security... 
hahahahaha

seriously now, if we were to look at it in this manner, then why would we 
ever leave our homes, get jobs and try and better ourseleves? lets look at 
mount everest would it ever have been climbed? nope i doubt it... haha 
why did we climb it... casue it was there. Take the MS OS out of the 
equation... say 5 yrs from now. leaving any other upstart to take over 
the market share you actualy think that programmers witht he knowledge 
and skill are going to jsut say... w00t w00t MS is goone lets not bother 
tring to make a viris that can attack these other OS's. LOL not likely... 
all it would take is for one "expert" to asay it cant be done... and 50 ppl 
will ahve done it in less then 1 month... then the flood gates would be 
open. MAC is not targeted as it does not ahve a high enough market share for 
anyone to really bother with it. but I tell you if the statement was 
made today that it is impossible to reate a viris that can affect the MAC os 
then someone would do it, just to prove it can be done.

I love talking to low end mac users that say "i cant get a viris im on a 
MAC", then talk to a HIgh end user "well im sure that i dont have a viris... 
but you know what it is possible that i may get one, it will only take a 
person to decide to do it  and it will be done... and when it happens there 
will be some pissed off mac users"

lol
when edison was asked about how it felt to fail 200 times before making a 
lightbulb that worked, edison replied... "i never failed i jsut found 200 
ways not to make a lightbulb"

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Re: IPod Loading

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: IPod Loading


On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Robert wrote:
An iPod loader can earn several hundred dollars for converting a large
collection, but hour by hour, the money is modest. Transferring a
single full-length CD takes five to nine minutes on a standard
computer, which means that most computers can generate $6 to $12 an
hour. Even a computer capable of transferring a CD in three minutes
would generate no more than $20 an hour.
Actually it would take a lot less time than that once you established a 
comprehensive database on you computer.  Not exactly legal, maybe, but 
you can transfer MP3s (or whatever) a good deal faster than you can 
translate a CD.
Of course, to do that you'd have to have an MP3 version of every possible 
song ever.

--
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http://books.nightwares.com/
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http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf
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yes you would eventually end up wih a copy of every MP3 ever... but keep in 
mind that with a general set of customers there would be several CDs which 
they all own, and then with those you would save yourself a tonne of time. 
and that comes from experience, whlie in University i was one of the first 
people in my group of friends that had a burner, and i would end up getting 
requests form peole to make a cd for them from their own cds that they 
owned. eventualy i had a libary that would cover off any song list that they 
gave me...and it would only take me the time it took to decompress the songs 
from MP3 and to burn the cd... about 15mins lol

Currently i have a libary of around 26GB of music.. and its all legit back 
ups of my own collection however there are a few that i can no longer 
find the CDs for.. gues thats what happens when you create a digital libary 
and listen mainly from your computer.

So yes you would have a rather large song list... however i dout you would 
ever break 50GB of space... and with todays storage costs you would pay for 
you 200GB hd from one load.

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Re: Trek Movie List

[Nick Lidster]

The Star Trek Movies in order of quality (IMHO, of course)
1.The Wrath of Kahn
2.The Voyage Home
3.First Contact
4.The Undiscovered Country
5.Generations
6.Insurrection
7.Star Trek 1
8.Nemesis
9.The Search for Spock
10.   The Final Frontier
For the choice between 1 and 2 is a very close call.  The bottom three are
just horrid.
George A
-
ya my list is pretty close on yours... though  "the Motion Picture" @ #7 
"Nemesis" was by far a better movie then that. I can not sit through the 
motion picture without wanting to poke out my eyes and ears with a blut 
object and rethink my trekdom.

Liddy's Picks ;)
---
1.The Wrath of Kahn
2.The Undiscovered Country
3.First Contact
4.The Voyage Home
5.Generations
6.Insurrection
7.Nemesis
8.The Final Frontier
9. The Search for Spock
10.   The Motion Picture
Heck lets do a Series by Series top ten list
Ill start with the oldest (by star date) and someone else pick a different 
one and we'll go from there

ST: E

1.  Civilization S01 E009
2.  Minefeild   S02 E029
3.  Precious Cargo S02 E037
4.  Regeneration S02 E049
5.  The Expanse S02 E052
6.  Stratagem S03 E066
7.  E2S03 E073
8.  Cold Station 12S04 E081
9.  United  S04 E089
10. Babel One   S04 E088
I put mine in order this way as they all seem equaly important in the 
character view, and structure of the modren "ST" universe. Babel one though 
would ahve to be # 10 regardless. And By the Gods feel free to pick it 
apart. I would really love to see what some others ahve for their "E" picks.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Nick Lidster]

primary filming takes place in BC, vancouver being the main areas of 
filming.. i would have to say that it was filmed in the lower highlands 
around the fraser river valley, either that or closer to whistler, home of 
the upcoming winter olympicsin 2010.well its shared between 
vancouver and whistler. the otehr area that you could also use would be, 
vancouver island... some really amazing scenery, and you can get great 
vistas of costal ranges from its interior.or eastren shore.

nick "i miss BC" lidster
http://www.vancouver2010.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Battlestar Galactica


WARNING - VERY minor spoilers of the first three episodes below

I liked the Galactica miniseries, but it felt emotionally
distant.  I did not have that same feeling with Friday's
episodes.  I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the
series, and perhaps having a bit of discussion here about it,
if enough people are interested.
MD

The miniseries had to cram a complex plot - along with complex and 
involved
character dynamics,  into three hours, so they were bound to miss out on
something.

However, as William mentioned, the episodes don't seem to suffer from that
same problem.
I am still undecided about the side story of Helio on Caprica. I am not
quite sure where it is going. I do like the sudden discovery by Number 6
that she has emotions, wants and dislikes. I think that story arc will be
very interesting.   I also like the inner conflict that Boomer is dealing
with now that she suspects that she is a Cylon. I like her character, I
would hate to see them kill her off.
Also, on the "Male Pig" level, what's not to like about watching Tricia
Helfer walk around in the tight dresses and a really short towel after the
hot tub? :-)
By the way, I know that they film in Canada, but I would love to find out
the location of the balcony that Baltar and Number 6 were on after she got
out of the hot tub. This is the balcony that was overlooking a lake and
mountain range.
Gary

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Re: Military Battlefield Management

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Grimaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Military Battlefield Management


It occurred to me today during a conversation
that the various first-person-shooter and
real-time-strategy games might be very useful
if applied to real-world combat.
I imagine something like: each unit (including
infantry, armor, aircraft, etc.) might be
equipped with GPS and various sensors to detect
damage, weapons fire, POV cams, etc. that could
feed into a battle management system to track
the overall situation from a command center.
The command center could have some kind of
warcraft-like interface with a map overlay
to help direct troops to the right places,
while the HUDs would be able do display
similar info for the location(s) of local
friendly units, and their status, as well
as display command-center orders on a map
overlay (I would imagine something like
Battlefield 1942.)
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure
that the military has at least explored
such troop management technologies. At the
same time, however, I can also see many points
of failure as well as other problems related
to outputting so much RF to keep in constant
contact.
Anyway, can anyone tell me if I'm too far off
the mark?
-- Matt

Well Matt, IMO your not off the mark. The US military has explored, and
continues to explore this technology. many of the base principals are
current being depolyed with new hardware, and some older equipment that is
capable of the upgrades.  However where I am Canadain, Ill give you the
canadian prespective on that technology. ISTAR, TCCCS, IRIS, LFC2IS.
ISTAR stands for Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and
Reconnaissance. ISTAR is not a piece of equipment, rather it is a capability
that links several battlefield functions together to assist the force
commander in achieving his aims. It is a 'system of systems' in which
information is collected on the battlefield through systematic observation
and sensing by deployed soldiers and a variety of electronic sensors. This
information is then passed to intelligence assets for analysis, and to the
commander and his or her staff for the formulation of battle plans. The role
of ISTAR is to link the intelligence process with surveillance, target
acquisition and reconnaissance in order to improve a commander's situational
awareness. This allows the commander to commit his manoeuvre and offensive
strike assets at precisely the right time and place on the battlefield.
ISTAR is a relatively new concept that will greatly enhance the
effectiveness of the Canadian Army. It will take several years and new
equipment to fully develop the ISTAR capability, but the Army has enough
cutting-edge assets in place now to begin implementing ISTAR principles. The
Land Force Command Control and Information System (LFC2IS) and the Tactical
Command and Control Communications System (TCCCS) will provide the backbone
upon which the ISTAR capability will be developed. Concepts will continue to
be developed and assets added to ISTAR as the Army transitions to the Army
of Tomorrow and the Army of the Future.
The Tactical Command and Control Communications System (TCCCS) replaced old
radio equipment used by the Army with the state-of-the-art Iris Digital
Communications System. (TCCCS is the name of the overall project, while Iris
is the name of the actual communications system). Iris provides the Army
with secure, reliable and integrated communications. Ultimately, it will be
part of a digitized command system designed to create a seamless web for
rapid transmission of information between sensors, combat troops and
decision-makers. For example, one component called the Situation Awareness
sub-System (SAS), will permit vehicle and unit commanders to know where all
unit and enemy vehicles are with pinpoint accuracy day or night and in any
weather.
Now that the $1.4 billion system is installed and fully operational, the
Canadian Army has the most integrated digitized command and control system
in the world. The project began in 1985 and was completed at the end of
2002.
Army trials new digitized command and control system
By Maj Tony Balasevicius
CFB PETAWAWA -The First Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (1 RCR) will
lead the Land Force into the future as the unit moves to the forefront of
the Army's digitization effort.
1 RCR has started training on a new digitized command and control system
called the Land Force Command and Control Information System Version 1
(LFC2IS V1). The basic components of this advanced concept consists of a
tactical communication system, which connects the Command and Control system
(ATHENA), the Situation Awareness System (SAS) and the Operational Database
(OPERA) to the national command system. When LFC2IS V1 is fully deployed, it
will provide the Army with common communication, data and automated
functionalities that will give commanders information superiority over any
potenti

Re: Military Battlefield Management

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Grimaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Military Battlefield Management


It occurred to me today during a conversation
that the various first-person-shooter and
real-time-strategy games might be very useful
if applied to real-world combat.
I imagine something like: each unit (including
infantry, armor, aircraft, etc.) might be
equipped with GPS and various sensors to detect
damage, weapons fire, POV cams, etc. that could
feed into a battle management system to track
the overall situation from a command center.
The command center could have some kind of
warcraft-like interface with a map overlay
to help direct troops to the right places,
while the HUDs would be able do display
similar info for the location(s) of local
friendly units, and their status, as well
as display command-center orders on a map
overlay (I would imagine something like
Battlefield 1942.)
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure
that the military has at least explored
such troop management technologies. At the
same time, however, I can also see many points
of failure as well as other problems related
to outputting so much RF to keep in constant
contact.
Anyway, can anyone tell me if I'm too far off
the mark?
-- Matt

Well Matt, IMO your not off the mark. The US military has explored, and 
continues to explore this technology. many of the base principals are 
current being depolyed with new hardware, and some older equipment that is 
capable of the upgrades.  However where I am Canadain, Ill give you the 
canadian prespective on that technology. ISTAR, TCCCS, IRIS, LFC2IS.

ISTAR stands for Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and 
Reconnaissance. ISTAR is not a piece of equipment, rather it is a capability 
that links several battlefield functions together to assist the force 
commander in achieving his aims. It is a 'system of systems' in which 
information is collected on the battlefield through systematic observation 
and sensing by deployed soldiers and a variety of electronic sensors. This 
information is then passed to intelligence assets for analysis, and to the 
commander and his or her staff for the formulation of battle plans. The role 
of ISTAR is to link the intelligence process with surveillance, target 
acquisition and reconnaissance in order to improve a commander's situational 
awareness. This allows the commander to commit his manoeuvre and offensive 
strike assets at precisely the right time and place on the battlefield.
ISTAR is a relatively new concept that will greatly enhance the 
effectiveness of the Canadian Army. It will take several years and new 
equipment to fully develop the ISTAR capability, but the Army has enough 
cutting-edge assets in place now to begin implementing ISTAR principles. The 
Land Force Command Control and Information System (LFC2IS) and the Tactical 
Command and Control Communications System (TCCCS) will provide the backbone 
upon which the ISTAR capability will be developed. Concepts will continue to 
be developed and assets added to ISTAR as the Army transitions to the Army 
of Tomorrow and the Army of the Future.

The Tactical Command and Control Communications System (TCCCS) replaced old 
radio equipment used by the Army with the state-of-the-art Iris Digital 
Communications System. (TCCCS is the name of the overall project, while Iris 
is the name of the actual communications system). Iris provides the Army 
with secure, reliable and integrated communications. Ultimately, it will be 
part of a digitized command system designed to create a seamless web for 
rapid transmission of information between sensors, combat troops and 
decision-makers. For example, one component called the Situation Awareness 
sub-System (SAS), will permit vehicle and unit commanders to know where all 
unit and enemy vehicles are with pinpoint accuracy day or night and in any 
weather.

Now that the $1.4 billion system is installed and fully operational, the 
Canadian Army has the most integrated digitized command and control system 
in the world. The project began in 1985 and was completed at the end of 
2002.

Army trials new digitized command and control system
By Maj Tony Balasevicius
CFB PETAWAWA -The First Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (1 RCR) will 
lead the Land Force into the future as the unit moves to the forefront of 
the Army's digitization effort.

1 RCR has started training on a new digitized command and control system 
called the Land Force Command and Control Information System Version 1 
(LFC2IS V1). The basic components of this advanced concept consists of a 
tactical communication system, which connects the Command and Control system 
(ATHENA), the Situation Awareness System (SAS) and the Operational Database 
(OPERA) to the national command system. When LFC2IS V1 is fully deployed, it 
will provide the Army with common communication, data and automated 
functionalities that will give c

Re: ATL Win2k Passwords

[Nick Lidster]

doug give me 40 mins when i get home and ill send it to ya... that starts now

Nick "comcast special" Lidster


On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:26 -0700, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My son had not used his computer for several months, and when he went to
> use it, what he thought was the password didn't work.  He's tried just
> about everything and can't log back on.  Does anyone know if there's a way
> to reset the password or what he needs to do to get back on?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Doug
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Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

[Nick Lidster]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:37:09 -0200, Alberto Monteiro
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Gary Nunn wrote:
> >
> > I ran across this article from a few months ago and thought that it was
> > interesting. Assuming that it is true, it is scary that the US
> > Government would even briefly consider such a plan. As much as I
> > don't want to believe in conspiracies, it makes one wonder about
> > other terrorism in the US in the last few years. Hummm.
> >  
> Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
> of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
> the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
> in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
> them all.
> 
> The plan was aborted by the heroic acts of one man.
> 
> Alberto Monteiro 
> 
> 
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wow something Scotty would be proud of

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Glass breakthrough
11 August 2004

Scientists in the US have developed a novel technique to make bulk
quantities of glass from alumina for the first time. Anatoly Rosenflanz and
colleagues at 3M in Minnesota used a "flame-spray" technique to alloy
alumina (aluminium oxide) with rare-earth metal oxides to produce strong
glass with good optical properties. The method avoids many of the problems
encountered in conventional glass forming and could, say the team, be
extended to other oxides (A Rosenflanz et al. 2004 Nature 430 761).

Glass is formed when a molten material is cooled so quickly that its
constituent atoms do not have time to align themselves into an ordered
lattice. However, it is difficult to make glasses from most materials
because they need to be cooled -- or quenched -- at rates of up to 10
million degrees per second.

Silica is widely used in glass-making because the quenching rates are much
lower, but researchers would like to make glass from alumina as well because
of its superior mechanical and optical properties. Alumina can form glass if
it is alloyed with calcium or rare-earth oxides, but the required quenching
rate can be as high as 1000 degrees per second, which makes it difficult to
produce bulk quantities.

Rosenflanz and colleagues started by mixing around 80 mole % of powdered
alumina with various rare-earth oxide powders -- including lanthanum,
gadolinium and yttrium oxides. Next, they fed the powders into a
high-temperature hydrogen-oxygen flame to produce molten particles that were
then quenched in water. The resulting glass beads, which were less than 140
microns across, were then heat-treated -- or sintered -- at around 1000°C.
This produced bulk glass samples in which nanocrystalline alumina-rich
phases were dispersed throughout a glassy matrix. The new method avoids the
need to apply pressures of 1 gigapascal or more, as is required in existing
techniques

The 3M scientists characterised the glasses using optical microscopy,
scanning electron microscopy, X-ray diffraction and thermal analysis, and
tested the strength of the materials with hardness and fracture toughness
tests. They found that their samples were much harder than conventional
silica-based glasses and were almost as hard as pure polycrystalline
alumina.

Moreover, over 95% of the glasses were transparent (see figure) and had
attractive optical properties. For example, fully crystallized alumina-rare
earth oxide ceramics showed high refractive indices if the grains were kept
below a certain size.

Author
Belle Dumé is Science Writer at PhysicsWeb



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Re: Cellular number porting

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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brin Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Cellular number porting


>
>
> Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with number porting (changing
> your cell number to a new carrier)?  I recently ported my cell phone
> number from Verizon to Nextel, and the reliability of my phone went from
> 99.9% to less than 50%.  After many hours of discussions with Nextel
> tech support, it seems that routing problems are not terribly uncommon
> when a number is ported.
>
> The problems I experienced after the number port were calls going
> directly to voicemail without ringing the phone and lost or seriously
> delayed text messages.
>
> Apparently, the routing for a ported number is fairly complex, similar
> to DNS routing on the internet. If any particular carrier doesn't have
> the updated routing information, calls and text messages end up in
> digital hell.
>
> Any thoughts or experiences?
>
>
> _
>
> "When a defining moment comes along, you can do
> one of two things. Define the moment, or let the
> moment define you."
>
> -From the movie "Tin Cup"
Yeh gary I know what you are talking about. However I would also like to
point out that most people that work call centres are just tring to make the
customer go away so that they get good handle times. Also right now there is
no reason why you cant take your home phone number with you, if say you
moved say to eastren canada. However local teleco wont allow it. but it is
possible. I think its Vancouver that has a Wireless company that is porting
your home number up to your cell phone.

Nick "wireless" lidster


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Re: Request for Proposals

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- Original Message - 
From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: Request for Proposals


> From: Nick Lidster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> Ill give you that, as long as you can concede that there would be
> significant US casualties.

Sounds a lot like what a lot of people said before the first Gulf
War (including myself, I'll admit).  But in an open battle, our
technology and training was greater than the overwhelming numbers of
tanks, infantry, aircraft, etc.

Heck, folks were saying the same before the GW2!

 - jmh
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The difference was that in the first gulf war Iraq faced the WW3 war machine
that was trained harder and longer, for a European push against the USSR. In
GW2 the US faced a greatly diminished force with morale at an all time low.
Now if you can step back from the table for a minute and think about a "what
if" GW1 never happened, and we went in now with the same amount of troops
used in GW2, the US would not have faced significant causalities? Now what
you will have is the US tiring to defend a entire country that is at a
breaking point and doesn't want the US there, against a military of superior
numbers with less tech, however keep in mind that these forces would not be
facing the entire US force in one location, they would be facing smaller
numbers at different locations, and they would reach the urban centers and
there would be significant losses on both sides, leaving a huge power gap in
both Iran and the US. If such a situation ever occurs, there is no reason
why North Korea wouldn't make a push into South Korea, or china into Taiwan.
The US simply can't afford for such a situation to occur.



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Re: Request for Proposals

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: Request for Proposals


> Nick Lidster wrote:
>
> > Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches,
> > including law enforcement. 3000 troops sure isn't a large force, but
lets
> > not forget that they have an air force as well;
> >
> > mig 29   34
> >
> > su 2486
> >
> > f-14  247
> >
> > f-7   287
> >
> > f-4   472
> >
> > f-5   197
> >
> > rf 4e 32
> >
> > total   1355
> >
> > granted most are old a large amount is current production local variants
of
> > current and old designs. and all are loacted within strinking distance
of
> > iraq. they have a armoured force of between 650-1000 armour units
(ranges
> > depending on location of info) most are russian T-54 - T-72's with a mix
of
> > almost every nations hardware filling out the numbers.
>
> Source?  I'm wondering how current it is, among other things.
>
> Julia
>






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most comes fom teh CIA fact book, as of may 14, 2004. and the remainder is
between some us sources for the US deployments, and the Aircraft thing is as
old as 2002, 2003. and exact source i cant remeber but it was on the first
or secod page of the google search.
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Re: Request for Proposals

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Request for Proposals


> > mig 29   34
>
> Moderately potent and modern aircraft. But only 34...
>
> > su 2486
>
> Ground attack.
>
> > f-14  247
>
> Good luck getting spares...
>
> > f-7   287
>
> Chinese MiG-21 knock-off
>
> > f-4   472
>
> Good luck getting spares...
>
> > f-5   197
>
> Obsolete (unless its the CHINESE F-5 [MiG-17] knock-off, which is
hopelessly
> obsolete...)
>
> > rf 4e 32
>
> Photo-recon.
>
> > total   1355
>
> What's your source on these? Some of the numbers--especially F-14s--are a
> little suspect. I don't have a listing of how many F-14s were delivered,
but
> most must be in a marginal state by now, I'd think.
>
> > granted most are old a large amount is current production local variants
> of
> > current and old designs. and all are loacted within strinking distance
of
>
> I don't think Iran has a local aeronautical industry, beyond general
> maintenance and spares production.
>
> > iraq. they have a armoured force of between 650-1000 armour units
(ranges
> > depending on location of info) most are russian T-54 - T-72's with a mix
> of
> > almost every nations hardware filling out the numbers.
>
> We already know what happens to T-72s when hit just about anywhere except
> the engine compartment...
>
> > now lets be honest and not cocky like rumsfeld and go with not enough
> troops
> > off the start, and admit that there would be significant us losses if
such
> > an event occured.
>
> If the Iranians tried to contest an alerted US Army in open battle, the
> numerical differences would be minimized by superior US technology,
> equipment, and training. If, however, the Iranians could infiltrate bodies
> of infantry into the cities and engage US troops there, the story would
> indeed be quite different.
>
> Damon.
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Ill give you that, as long as you can concede that there would be
significant US casualties.
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Re: Request for Proposals

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Request for Proposals


> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:35:54 -0500, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops on the Iraq border for just that:
> >
> > According to GOP Moonie Propagandist Newspaper / UPI:
> >
> > <>
> >
> > Iran massing troops on Iraq border
> >
> > Beirut, Lebanon, Jun. 15 (UPI) -- Iran reportedly is readying troops to
> > move into Iraq if U.S. troops pull out, leaving a security vacuum.
> > The Saudi daily Al-Sharq al-Awsat, monitored in Beirut, reports Iran has
> > massed four battalions at the border.
> > Al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted "reliable Iraqi sources" as saying, "Iran moved
> > part of its regular military forces towards the Iraqi border in the
> > southern sector at a time its military intelligence agents were
operating
> > inside Iraqi territory."
>
> Iran Denies Report of Troop Buildup on Iraq border
> Voice of America News15 Jun 2004, 17:34 UTC
>
> Iran's state-run news agency IRNA quotes what it calls "an informed
> source" as denying a report in a Saudi-owned newspaper that says
> Iranian troops are massing on the border with Iraq.
>
> The report in the pan-Arab Asharq al-Awsat, or "Middle East"
> newspaper, quotes what it calls "reliable sources" who say four
> Iranian battalions have moved to the southern border with Iraq. The
> sources say the troops are preparing to move into Iraq to fill a
> security vacuum if U.S. forces pull out after the transfer of
> sovereignty on June 30.
>
> But IRNA quotes its source as saying the report is "fabricated and
> baseless" and is meant to help the United States continue its
> occupation of Iraq.
>
> Iranian officials have previously said the Tehran government supports
> full sovereignty for Iraq.
>
> -
> BTW, 3,000 troops is not a major movement. They don't have  very
> modern equipment either.
>
> Gary Denton  - Messiah Times Maru
>
> #1 on google for Easter Lemming Messiah
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Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches,
including law enforcement. 3000 troops sure isn't a large force, but lets
not forget that they have an air force as well;

mig 29   34

su 2486

f-14  247

f-7   287

f-4   472

f-5   197

rf 4e 32

total   1355

granted most are old a large amount is current production local variants of
current and old designs. and all are loacted within strinking distance of
iraq. they have a armoured force of between 650-1000 armour units (ranges
depending on location of info) most are russian T-54 - T-72's with a mix of
almost every nations hardware filling out the numbers.

All im saying is that if a unilaterial action occured agnist Iran, from the
US, the US is unable to simply overwhelem Iran if they really decided to
come after the US in Iraq. The US currently has around 350,000 troops
deployed world wide, 148,442, national guard and reserves on active duty
filling the empty postions in the regular forces, with around 196,000 troops
in and around iraq (army/marine/armour brigades x2 including allies) plus
airforce and navy taking care of between 220 and 440 cruise missles and 175
mixed aircraft, as of  01 june 2004.

now lets be honest and not cocky like rumsfeld and go with not enough troops
off the start, and admit that there would be significant us losses if such
an event occured.

Nick
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Re: Request for Proposals

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bryon Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Request for Proposals


> >From: Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because
> >countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational
> >world of mutual deterrence or else face total disaster. (They may not
> >have to enter into an arrangement of mutual deterrence with the big,
> >powerful states but in a highly proliferated world they would certainly
> >have to enter into such relationships with at least some other states.)
>
> Unfortunately, I don't see any mechanism that actually *does* force a
> government to "grow up" if/when it gains nukes.  Certainly I don't think
it
> happened for North Korea.  If anything, I think nukes could foster a "you
> can't touch us" feeling of invulnerablility amongst the world's tyrannies.
>
> >On the other hand, I'm not sure how well the idea of MAD would work
> >regionally because there's not so much time to retaliate before the
> >enemy warheads land, which may in turn lead to an unstable situation in
> >which each side can "win" by pre-empting the other.
>
> I don't think MAD can work on this scale, with this amount of nuclear
> propagation.
> It would be too easy to avoid accountability by handing a nuke over to a
> terrorist
> group to do the dirtywork, or even use their own agents to smuggle one in
a
> truck/freighter over the border to the target.  No easily traceable ICBMs.
>
> Lets say Iran has nukes, and two years later, in the midst of some ongoing
> US-Iraq strife, Baghdad blows up.  Who to blame?  We know who Al Jazeera
> and the conspiracy buffs would blame.  What if it's Tel-Aviv that blows
up,
> or
> Los Angeles? - without absolute proof of guilt, it's problematic to
> retailiate.
> Either way, the "Assured" part of MAD flops.
>
> -bryon
>
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you do what you have done now, pick the best target(s) and blow it/them up!

nick
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Re: Request for Proposals

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Request for Proposals


> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:44:53 -0500, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The Fool wrote:
> > > From: iaamoac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Would Israel do "the right thing"?
> >
> >Julia
>
>
> Be kinda ironic, if that is the word I want,  if Israel dropped a nuke
> to take out Iran's plant.
>
> Now if Russia, China, England and France got together with us could we
> make Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, and North Korea give up their
> bombs?
>
> Could some larger combination of them force just a couple others to
> give them up? You have a bit of a chance with Iran, it is a couple
> years away from having any and so is vulnerable to threats - high
> probability.. Too bad Bush doesn't like coalitions and international
> institutions.
>
> If I was someone in Iran I might be saying "Why are you picking on me
> you honky Zionist crusaders?"
>
> It has always been the GOP that has been against nuclear disarmament
> agreements.  They objected to the inspection plan the bastion of GOP
> thought is squawking about now. Let's see what they suggest as
> alternatives.  Whatever is done it would go so much better if it was
> going to be negotiated, something the macho crowd in charge hates.
>
> Gary Denton  - U maka the nu rules, you playa your new game Maru
>
> #1 on google for lemming nuclear easter
>

I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly
if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home. Though the Fool
would be correct in saying that bombing all of the suspected sites is the
"right" thing to do, it is most defiantly the worst thing that could ever be
done. Such a  unilateral move by the US would end up with a large amount of
Iranian forces crossing the border of Iraq and engaging the already over
stretched US forces there, the entire region would ignite, and a war to end
al wars would be witnessed by a generation that has seen no great conflict!



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RE: Neanderthal (was: More on the environmental movement)

[Nick Lidster]

More so then that a movie was made out of it, "Underworld".
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RE: Just For Fun - Some Odd Pictures...

[Nick Lidster]

Yeh there are some good ones, though the "tube clouds" I don't know
about you but here we get them often with a series of windy days with
wind speeds avg. 50kph and gusts to 80kph
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RE: New Material Grabs More Solar Energy

[Nick Lidster]

On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 11:13:19PM +, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

> But that is the whole problem, isn't it? There's no evidence that they

> would cost even less than 3 times the current price.

>I see no problem. What evidence do you have that the tellurium cells
would >cost more than 3 times conventional poly-silicon solar cells
after the >technology has been developed? The zero'th order assumption,
until further >information is available, would be that the cost would
eventually be >roughly comparable to Si cells.


Exactly, and if they cost the same amount and do 3times the power
that means cheaper :)
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Free Energy by Joe Newman

[Nick Lidster]

Seen a part of a show on Discovery about this guy, and his idea of a
machine that can produce 3 times as much power as what is put into
it... I say BS, and many others do as well. 


I was wondering if any of you have come across this topic before. Here
is a link to some info and personal opinions on this guy.

 http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm

Nick "I want free energy too" Lidster
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RE: Red rain result of meteor explosion?

[Nick Lidster]

Not sure how I ran across this, but it seems to be an
interesting theory. It was hosted on a Cornell server.

The links below are for the PDF of this document. If you are
interested in reading the entire document, but can't open a PDF, email
me and I will email you this article as a Word Document.

I have no idea of the scientific accuracy, but the only
implausible part (the me at least) is why didn't the debris disperse
in the  atmosphere over the two month period?

Gary


Cometary panspermia explains the red rain of Kerala

Godfrey Louis & A. Santhosh Kumar 
School of Pure and Applied Physics, Mahatma Gandhi University,
Kottayam - 686560, Kerala, India.
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: October 5, 2003 

Red coloured rain occurred in many places of Kerala in India
during  July to September 2001 due to the mixing of huge quantity of
microscopic red cells in the rainwater. Considering its correlation
with a meteor airbust event, this

phenomenon raised an extraordinary question whether the cells
are 
extraterrestrial. Here we show how the observed features of the
red rain

phenomenon can be explained by considering the fragmentation and
atmospheric 
disintegration of a fragile cometary body that presumably
contains a  dense 
collection of red cells. Slow settling of cells in the
stratosphereexplains the 
continuation of the phenomenon for two months. The red cells
under   study appear 
to be the resting spores of an extremophilic microorganism.
Possiblepresence of 
these cells in the interstellar clouds is speculated from its
similarity in UV 


http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0310/0310120.pdf

or

http://tinyurl.com/2sxuh




Well seems like chtoran infestiation if you ask me


Nick "Better call in Jim McCarthy and Lizard, almost forgot Foreman"
Lidster
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RE: Battlestar Galactica

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You cant win a war in the sky, you got to have troops to hold the
ground.
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RE: Battlestar Galactica

[Nick Lidster]

Perfectly true, anyone can be a grunt, however when your in the middle
of no where, have no backup, and need to get the job done what do you
do? "Though you fly in the clouds, a marine is a grunt first." The 58th
was heralded as the best of the best. To me they were flying grunts,
more then once the played in the dirt. A necessity then, more so then
now, with the earth at the edge of defeat and loosing more men/women
then we can replace even through invitro's it comes to a point that
everyone no matter how trained must do the lowliest job. Of course that
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RE: Enterprise cancelled?

[Nick Lidster]

>I have no idea what writers guidelines they use, but I do know that the
>guidelines used for the Star Trek novels were quite different. They
>demanded continuity, and ST:E seems to throw all of that out of the
window.

Yeh I have to agree with you there about the whole set up, you cant do
anything unless it returns the universe back to its original set up.

"go April"

Read "best destiny" a few months ago.. never really was a big ST:TOS
fan.. just kidding, rather enjoyed the book.


The whole bit of the RW was never to occur in the ST:E franchise, it was
surmised that this would be a leader into the Romulan wars. Based on
time lines it ST:E takes place at such a point that nearly 15yrs or more
would have to transpire till the beginning of the Wars. 

This series is doing the "founding" of the federation, and you can see
the founding of it starting to form. Archer did mediate talks between
the Vulcans and the Andorians. Showing earth in its future role as
capital of the federation.


For the introduction of another alien species, well I see it like this.
>From its onset complaints were made about the use of "future" tech
compared to TOS. ie.  LCD monitors...Phase pistols. It was argued that
because of the existence of the current technology in the early 21st
century it would make sense for the LCD screens to be used. As for the
phase pistols, wasn't it said in "best destiny" that they were using
"laser" pistols? I know that for the time that they also used particle
weapons in a time prior to ST:E. and based on time frames it would make
it more believable for them to be using "particle" weapons not phase
pistols and such?

Oh god I'm starting to ramble TIME FOR SLEEP

Nick "beam me to bed Scotty" Lidster
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Re: Enterprise cancelled?

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled?


> > Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular
> > fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a
> > major blow.
>
>
> Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they
> rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult
> to maintain; so much easier not even to bother.  That way you can do
> anything you like. It's the producers'  responsibility to prevent this,
> and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care
> either.
>


see I never thought I'd see that day come when I would defend ST:E.

however it has arrived. first instance, take EP 23 of season 2,
Regeneration, its based on the debris field left by the borg sphere in the
movie "First Contact". There were technical problems that were used by the
writers the "urked me" however it falls within the confines of the time
line.

As for the temporal Cold war.. I could do without it, don't get me wrong
they make it fit and explain it well as to why events are unfolding this
way, by "temporal lag" so things cannot be fixed right at that time, there
is nothing to say that based on the possible;possibilities that its is
deemed that the less intrusive method and a style which alters the timeline
less would be the way that things are unfolding in the ST:E universe.


And reasons as to why things are occurring have been explained well, "the
sphere builders" they lost a war in the future so they get a technological
advanced species to destroy the "federation" in the past so they can win in
the future.


I can see it getting dropped from production rather quickly next season, and
I hope it is not the end of ST series, as I would love to see one based on
the romulan wars, and the lost era around Enterprise B - C. or even a future
one based in the time of the "sphere wars" or even one farther along based
on a full scale war with the borg, with both the alpha and beta quadrants
joined together to defeat them.

Nick "resistance is futile" Lidster
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RE: Enterprise cancelled?

[Nick Lidster]

Its on the bubble for next season. Something about half a season will be
done if the series is decided to be dropped. Just to clue it up... and
the 5 ep that are remaining are for this season.
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RE: does time exist

[Nick Lidster]

Thanks Dan I'm sure that will help. 

As for Rich and Brad, that is where I would get in my self evaluation of
time. It would end in a stalemate not being able to decide if we are a
function of time or time is a function of us. 

IMO fitness does not equal truth. If that statement were true we would
always be wrong, nothing would ever get done. Simply put everyone would
be right all the time even with contradictory ideas. Heard this
somewhere before; 

"If you believe that it is true then it is, because truth is only what
you believe not what anyone else does."
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RE: does time exist

[Nick Lidster]

Thanks Dan I'm sure that will help. 

As for Rich and Brad, that is where I would get in my self evaluation of
time. It would end in a stalemate not being able to decide if we are a
function of time or time is a function of us. 

IMO fitness does not equal truth. If that statement were true we would
always be wrong, nothing would ever get done. Simply put everyone would
be right all the time even with contradictory ideas. Heard this
somewhere before; 

"If you believe that it is true then it is, because truth is only what
you believe not what anyone else does."
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does time exist

[Nick Lidster]

Is time simply a man made concept or is it the guiding force of the
Universe? If time exists how would one prove that Time exists?

 

This is a question that has rattled through my head more then once over
my meager existence on this world. Every time I ask this question I
never receive a acceptable response. I continually find myself standing
on a shoreline tiring to decide to wade in or stay dry. So I put the
question to you.

 

My best concept of time is that time is static, however mans
concept of time is that of it being fluid. Time as man perceives it is
true for us; however is it true for the rest of the universe? 

 

Nick "outta time" Lidster
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Re: Malkovich joins THGTTG

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Malkovich joins THGTTG


> 
> > John Malkovich is joining The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the
> > Disney adaptation of the Douglas Adams novel, 
> 
> Disney? wtf? They will spoil the story :-/
> 
> Mandatory Hitchhikers Timeline:
> http://www.geocities.com/albmont/hhgttg.htm
> 
> Alberto Monteiro
> 
> 

Dont we all know.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica


> Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> > SciFi bats at a bit less than .100 IMO. I know a lot of people *like*
> > SG1, but it seems fairly pedestrian to me, and people like it mainly
> > because there is nothing substantially better offered.
>
> Interesting.  SG1 started out as a Showtime series.  It may have gone
> downhill a bit since SciFi picked up the production.
>
> I'm sure someone here has been tracking it a lot more closely than I
> have.  Has anyone seen a shift, and not for the better, after Showtime
> passed it off to SciFi?  (I don't have dates as to when that happened,
> unfortunately.)
>
> Julia
>
Julia I beleive the timing of the switch over was during season 5.. Showtime
droped it about half way through the season and SiFi picked it up. IN true
"SiFi channel" style they have tried to reinvent the seris and make it more
appealling to the general population, IMO there has been only 2 margionaly
rewatchable episodes since then in season 6..(I know that season 7 is done
in the states but up in the great white north  we only just finished season
6)... that being said I can still sit down a watch almost all of teh older
shows with no problem or question to story line... IMO SiFi has destroyed
what was once a show with so much... potential and given far less... SG:
atalantis i think will die a horrible death..





Oh anyone remember a show called "Space Above and Beyond".. had some great
potential but it got axed...





As For "BSG"  Caught the 2 mini series about a month ago...loved it though
found it lacking in some areas "actor wise"  Can't wait till the series
comes out...IMO it will probably be better then ST enterprise (too bad its
on the bubble..)
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Re: America the Theocracy

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: America the Theocracy


> A few Excerpts.  Read the whole thing, it's quite long:
>
> <>
>
> America the theocracy
>
> A band of influential preachers is praying for the power to rule America.
> For those who disagree, they have a solution -- stoning.
> ...
>
> Rather, DeMar, a relentlessly logical (if you accept his assumptions)
> speaker, excitedly describes a new order, one in which God's trusted
> servants reign supreme over the three governments. It's a society in
> which only the faithful are citizens, democracy is a distasteful memory,
> and the state's primary purpose is assisting in the conquest of the
> Planet Earth for Christ.
>
> This is more than one man's radical dreaming. It's the core belief of a
> movement called Christian Reconstruction, and DeMar is its Tom Paine.
> Many followers accord him the status of transforming an arcane offshoot
> of Calvinism into a political dreadnought -- and of launching that
> theological warship at a speech 20 years ago.
>
> The movement, also dubbed "dominion theology" and "theonomy," has spread
> far beyond the right wing of Presbyterian and Reformed churches. It has
> penetrated, to some degree, most conservative denominations, including
> Southern Baptist.
> ...
>
> The goal, one Reconstructionists feel is now within reach, is a
> transformation of America into a religious state whose mission is to
> spread the Gospel (as they interpret it). Violence isn't shunned. As Gary
> North, the current grand man of the movement, wrote, "In winning a nation
> to the Gospel, the sword as well as the pen must be used." Those who
> don't buy the plan could flee, or face unbending Mosaic "justice."
>
> ...
>
> Recruits to Reconstruction's adopted causes soon find the movement has a
> blunt distaste for pluralism and democracy. North wrote in 1982 -- in an
> effort to reach Baptists -- "We must use the doctrine of religious
> liberty ... until we train up a generation of people who know that there
> is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no
> neutral civil government. Then they will get busy constructing a
> Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies
> the religious liberty of the enemies of God."
>
> Freedom, then, will be no freedom.
> ...
>
> Last month, that sentiment reached the national level. The Constitution
> Restoration Act of 2004 would acknowledge Christianity's God as the
> "sovereign source" of our laws. It would reach back in history and
> reverse all judicial decisions that have built a wall between church and
> state, and it would prohibit federal judges from making such rulings in
> the future.
>
> The bill was co-sponsored in the Senate by Zell Miller, the turncoat
> Georgia Democrat (and United Methodist), and several Republican
> colleagues, including South Carolina's Lindsey Graham; in the House, the
> sponsors were all Republican, including Georgia's Jack Kingston.
>
> But the actual drafting was done by Herb Titus, best known recently as
> former Alabama Chief Justice Moore's attorney. Titus also represents
> Georgia's Barrow County in its effort to put the Ten Commandments in its
> courthouse. Titus has more than a little self-serving interest in the
> legislation. If passed, it would overturn the rulings that forced Titus'
> most newsworthy client, Moore, from the bench.
> ...
>
> As for the Reconstruction economy, it would be a libertarian's dream --
> as long as biblical laws, such as prohibiting usury, were adhered to.
>
> DeMar said last month, "There's much (libertarian talk-show host) Neal
> Boortz and I agree on." Primarily, government isn't needed when it comes
> to economic issues.
>
> Unions would be illegal, as would any government role in workplace
> safety. Employers could discriminate for any and all reasons. Minimum
> wage, unemployment benefits, Social Security, welfare -- all history.
> Adios environmental protection laws, as well as regulation on who can
> call themselves a physician or lawyer.
>
> Public schools are anathema. One of the great successes of Reconstruction
> has been promoting home-schooling programs. Home schooling is much
> broader than Reconstruction, of course. But Illinois Reconstructionist
> Paul Lindstrom has devised texts used by tens of thousands of
> home-schooling families.
> ...
>
> The arena that generates the most attention -- and shock -- is dominion
> theology's radical plans to make capital punishment part of America's
> daily routine.
>
> Ringgold's Don Boys -- who as a one-term Indiana state official in the
> 1970s authored legislation that restored capital punishment there --
> spoke cheerfully of a time when Americans will witness 10,000 executions
> a year. And Gary North suggests the method -- stoning -- because rocks
> are "cheap, ple

Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action


>
> >From: Ray Ludenia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: BRIN L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Call for administrative action
> >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:27:51 +1100
> >
> >Travis Edmunds wrote:
> >
> > > You're a meanie. But I guess it's all true, so...ah...yeah...you're a
> >meanie
> > > and I'm telling my mommy...
> > >
> > > Or is it mommie? I dunno.
> >
> >What's wrong with the normal English use of "mummy"? Don't tell me
> >Canadians
> >have been corrupted into using Americanese? :-)
> >
> >Regards, Ray.
> >
>
>  We have. Yes, it's true. In fact it's an epidemic!! And
it's
> so bad, that the Canadian government had to step in and NOT go to war with
> you against Iraq. Apparantly it was an attempt to distance ourselves,
> mentally from YOU.
>
> Eh?
>
> -Travis "talking to Americans" Edmunds




idont say "EH?" gah not all of us canadians say "eh?"


blah

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Re: Stargate SG-1

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Stargate SG-1


>
> >From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Stargate SG-1
> >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:39:55 -0500
> >
> >On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 02:39:37PM -0330, Nick Lidster wrote:
> >
> > > to me a more plauseable explination would be that it signals back a
> > > green or red for go or no go.
> >
> >No, that only works going back to the iris stargate. They go through a
> >lot of stargates other than the home one, and they don't always have
> >time to send a UAV or whatever.
> >
> >
>
> I honestly cannot remember one instance in which they never sent a MALP
> ahead of them. Is that what you're talking about?
>
> -Travis "friendly question" Edmunds
>
I can remember a couple instances, however tehy were gates that they were to
less then a week prior or another SG team had left that planet in less then
a few days or are already there, However i cannot remember one time that
they have left EARTH without one of those criteria met.


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Re: Stargate SG-1

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stargate SG-1


> On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:01:21AM -0500, Gary Nunn wrote:
>
> > One other minor nit I have with the show is the iris. Inbound teams
> > certainly have a great deal of faith that someone at the base didn't
> > fall asleep at the switch. I mean, if I were going through that gate
> > and knew that there was a barrier that could make me into jelly, I
> > would be asking for confirmation that the thing was open instead of
> > just assuming and stepping through. But that's just me.
>
> I would send a small transmitter through first, and once it arrives
> safely, I would step in. Since this is so easy and logical, I tend to
> assume they do it or something like it but just don't waste time showing
> the viewers...
>
>
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well the gate alows radio waves to travel 2 ways wether it is an incoming or
outgoing worm hole, hence the reason why the sgc can view the imags sent
back from the probe. The GDO (Garage Door Opener) That the SG teams use to
signal their activation and impending entrence into the wormhole actually
opens the Iris does it not? well we are lead to beleive that it would have
this capibility based on the tech explination "Signals the Stargate to open
the iris ".

to me a more plauseable explination would be that it signals back a green or
red for go or no go.


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Re: Stargate SG-1

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Stargate SG-1


>
> >I stand on the threshold of tommorow, atop the stairway of yesterday,
> >holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future.
> >
> >-Nick Lidster
> >26 May 2003
>
> Have you said, has anyone asked, why you list that date?
>
> It's my favorite day of any year.
>
> Kevin T. - VRWC
> I watch Hellfighters to celebrate
>
Well Kevin That day in particular was like any other to me. Then after
recalling some rather intresting things i had a breif flashof what...i
cannot say. However after that I was left with that realisation that every
decsion that I have made to this point has neither pushed me towards my
dreams nor hindered me from reaching them. The only thing that stands as a
constant is time, and that is only realitive. So from that point on i
decided that i wouldnt just aim for my goals but I would try and grasp at
them and just maybe if I can just grab one and hold on to itI would
accomplish something.. something that would be great to me.
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Re: Stargate SG-1

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Stargate SG-1


> ...
> > Stargate: Atlantis was
> > geared more toward the younger audience than SG-1 currently
> > has and is using younger actors and more action oriented
> > storylines, not to mention the T&A factor to a greater degree
> > than SG-1 did.
>
> It's a goner...!! T&A automatically takes it out of the serious Sci-fi
> genre, into an Aaron Spelling-isk drama...
> Enterprise is riding that line...
> BTW anyone see the Enterprise Season Final? Enterprise is getting its ass
> kicked... Very cool.
>
> Nerd from Hell
>
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Yeh saw that, however thats not the final for this season, there are i think
5 more episodes for this season that are still in production. and there are
another 5 weeks worth of repeats B4 those are even going to air.


and yes more T&A in Stargate would be nice, perhaps good old RDA hooking up
with some sweet alien loving like kirk... I mean was their a alien Kirk
didnt do?


I stand on the threshold of tommorow, atop the stairway of yesterday,
holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future.

-Nick Lidster
26 May 2003

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Re: Stirling engine queries

[Nick Lidster]

so it should be 123?...man what a long day, first teh federation
declears war on me and now this... lol... if only i could beat the Kobayashi
Maru
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Stirling engine queries


> Nick,
>
> > I can do it to 1024.. but to 1023 i have no idea
>
> Zero counts, but for nothing.
>
> > I stand on the threshold of tommorow, atop the stairway of yesterday,
> > holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future.
>
> Bully for you. As for me, I generally stumble up the stairway of my lost
> youth, only to stand on the threshhold of tomorrow with the cold rain of
> the future ruining the belated birthday card I clutch in my hand as I
> pat myself down frantically, searching for the key to today, only to
> realize that it's in the right-front pocket of trousers of yesterday,
> which I left on the floor of my ancestors at the foot of the bed of
> overstretched metaphors.
>
> Dave
>
> 
>   David M. Land   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   408-551-0427
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Re: Stirling engine queries

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Stirling engine queries


>
> On 5 Mar 2004, at 1:03 am, Nick Lidster wrote:
>
> > I can do it to 1024.. but to 1023 i have no idea
>
> Your fingers must have had a fencepost accident :)
>
> -- 
> William T Goodall
> Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
> Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
>
> "It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run
> out of things they can do with UNIX." - Ken Olsen, President of DEC,
> 1984.
>
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no no... If i remeber my diagram, I excluded teh thumbs untill last,
although this has no real bearing on teh final outcome. You then use the
tips and all knuckles of your fingers, it breaks down something like:

16*4=64

64*4=256

now at this point you bring back the thumbs using the tips and first knucle,

256*4=1024

the way it is done is that you use your left hand as your counter, and your
right as the pointer using all points of reference that are used on the left
hand. doing that gives you 1024


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Re: Stirling engine queries

[Nick Lidster]

I can do it to 1024.. but to 1023 i have no idea

I stand on the threshold of tommorow, atop the stairway of yesterday,
holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future.

-Nick Lidster
26 May 2003

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- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Stirling engine queries


> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:40:47PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> > Describe how to count up to 1023 on 10 fingers. :)
>
> 132 to you!
>
>
> -- 
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Re: Bases, was Re: Stirling engine queries

[Nick Lidster]

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Bases, was Re: Stirling engine queries


> ... but can someone please count to 12 using the tips and top
> knuckels of one hand, 'cause i only get 10.
>
> I count 12:
>
> Looking at my left hand, palm towards my eyes, with my fingers curled
> over, I see the four tips of my fingers and four of the knuckles
> closest to my finger tips and four more which are the knuckles second
> closest to my finger tips.
>
> I can either divide that 12 into either
>
>   * three sets of four:
> tips, first set of knuckles, second set of knuckles,
>
> each a set of four in three rows; or into
>
>   * four sets of three:
> for each of four fingers, the tip, first, and second knuckle,
>
> each finger having three obvious and visible places on it.
>
> -- 
> Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises
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ill repost as you have missed my count, and how we were to make the count
using your provided rules.

(> Also, if you look at the tips of your fingers and those knuckles
> closest to the tips, you will see 12 of them on one hand -- so it is
>
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yeh im probley stupid or forgot how to count.. but can someone please
count to 12 using the tips and top knuckels of one hand,  'cause i only get
10. I can see how one can do it, exclude teh thumb and the base knuckles,
use the tips and the top 2 knuckles of each finger, again rembering to
exclude the thumb. So as far as my "base 10" counting skills go, it is
impossible to get 12 using 5 fingers, and 2 points of refrence.

Nick "I cant count" Lidster)

as you can see you stipulated that you were to use the tips of your fingers,
and the closest knucle to the tip, not all of the knuckles minus the base
knuckle as I stated in my rebuttle.


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holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future.

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Re: Stirling engine queries

[Nick Lidster]

> Also, if you look at the tips of your fingers and those knuckles
> closest to the tips, you will see 12 of them on one hand -- so it is
>
> Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises
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yeh im probley stupid or forgot how to count.. but can someone please
count to 12 using the tips and top knuckels of one hand,  'cause i only get
10. I can see how one can do it, exclude teh thumb and the base knuckles,
use the tips and the top 2 knuckles of each finger, again rembering to
exclude the thumb. So as far as my "base 10" counting skills go, it is
impossible to get 12 using 5 fingers, and 2 points of refrence.

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Re: Haiku

[Nick Lidster]

I cant reply to this.. 'cause no one likes me L

 

Nick "no likes me" Lidster



- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Haiku


> 
> >From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Haiku
> >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:39:52 -0600
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:36 PM
> >Subject: RE: Haiku
> >
> >
> > > >xponent
> > > >No Seasons Maru
> > > >rob
> > > >
> > >
> > > HAHA!!! Did you write that?
> > >
> >
> >Yes sir!
> >Did you like it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >xponent
> >What I Do For Fun Maru
> >rob
> >
> 
> That was great!! Had me laughing pretty hard.
> 
> -Travis
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Re: Star Trek Politics

[Nick Lidster]

As it seems people have missed the last part of my post...here it is again..
please scroll right to teh bottom :)


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Star Trek Politics


> At 09:58 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
>
>
> >>From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Star Trek Politics
> >>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:22:10 -0500 (EST)
> >>
> >>
> >>A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
> >>describe the political system of the United Federation of Planets.
> >>It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I generally don't
> >>think of as compatible, that is almost a sort of democratic
> >>communism.  I'd be interested in seeing what other people thought,
> >>especially since I think most of the folks here are more politically
> >>and SF-ally savvy than this other group.
> >>
> >>Jim
> >
> >You know it's funny. A friend of mine and I had a similar discussion not
> >long ago. We as well, came to the exact same conclusion, worded exactly
> >the same way. It's almost a sort of democratic communism. Democracy is
> >implied, whereas communism appears to be frequently implemented. However
> >one must look at the broad spectrum of things, so I think that it's more
> >accurate to say that it's a marriage of two distinct political systems,
as
> >democracy really is more than implied.
> >
> >-Travis
>
> There's some quote I hear on TV cop shows, but can't remember exactly now.
> Something like "three coincidences make a conspiracy"? A forum I read had
a
> thread about star trek and politics. It was close but the majority
rejected
> the idea of a socialist democracy, what I would call it more than
> democratic communism. I've tried to jump start that discussion here a few
> times. I think star trek has altruism and transparency as two foundations.
> There may be whole groups that live at sustenance levels, just with
> food/clothing/shelter without supporting themselves, but as soon as they
> ask for more they are told to work for it.
>
> Think about Tasha Yar's homeworld. If I recall correctly, an earth colony
> that fell into decades of chaos. The people stopped being altruistic. And
> if the government on Earth was truly communism I doubt the downfall would
> last as long as it did. It seems that the time between Kirk and Picard was
> a golden age. The Romulans went into hiding, the Klingons were uneasy
> allies. Was the Cardasian war really that big? So why did the federation
> turn a blind eye to her planet?
>
> Kevin T. - VRWC
> Glad to talk about something important
>
I tend to agree with you guys here on this one however after i thought about
it for a few more minutes I realised that i was making a top post..

> >From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Star Trek Politics
> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:22:10 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >
> >A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
> >describe the political system of the United Federation of Planets.
> >It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I generally don't
> >think of as compatible, that is almost a sort of democratic
> >communism.  I'd be interested in seeing what other people thought,
> >especially since I think most of the folks here are more politically
> >and SF-ally savvy than this other group.
> >
> >Jim
> >
>
> You know it's funny. A friend of mine and I had a similar discussion not
> long ago. We as well, came to the exact same conclusion, worded exactly
the
> same way. It's almost a sort of democratic communism. Democracy is
implied,
> whereas communism appears to be frequently implemented. However one must
> look at the broad spectrum of things, so I think that it's more accurate
to
> say that it's a marriage of two distinct political systems, as democracy
> really is more than implied.
>
> -Travis
>
> _

...It isnt a democratic communism at all. I thought it would have to
be Representive Communism, to me that is more or less a Socialist style of
govement. Again however from all that we know of the UFP and its govermental
rambling's it is neither and based more on the UN ssytem of today then to
any other form of ruling body. All planets in the UFP sends embassadors to
the Federation Council, adn a Leader, aka the Presdient of the UFP is
elected either by the "general assembly" of the UFP or is done through a
general election of the population of the Federation. Personally I think
that teh Formaer is more likely, as a general election that spans almost
half of a Quadrant would be a little taxing to say the least.
As we know form Picard, "The economics of the future is quite
different,..." All of mans, adn aliens, basic need

Re: Star Trek Politics

[Nick Lidster]

I tend to agree with you guys here on this one however after i thought about
it for a few more minutes I realised that i was making a top post..
- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: Star Trek Politics


>
> >From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Star Trek Politics
> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:22:10 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >
> >A forum I frequent has been having a discussion of how one would
> >describe the political system of the United Federation of Planets.
> >It seems to me to combine traits of two systems I generally don't
> >think of as compatible, that is almost a sort of democratic
> >communism.  I'd be interested in seeing what other people thought,
> >especially since I think most of the folks here are more politically
> >and SF-ally savvy than this other group.
> >
> >Jim
> >
>
> You know it's funny. A friend of mine and I had a similar discussion not
> long ago. We as well, came to the exact same conclusion, worded exactly
the
> same way. It's almost a sort of democratic communism. Democracy is
implied,
> whereas communism appears to be frequently implemented. However one must
> look at the broad spectrum of things, so I think that it's more accurate
to
> say that it's a marriage of two distinct political systems, as democracy
> really is more than implied.
>
> -Travis
>
> _

It isnt a democratic communism at all. I thought it would have to
be Representive Communism, to me that is more or less a Socialist style of
govement. Again however from all that we know of the UFP and its govermental
rambling's it is neither and based more on the UN ssytem of today then to
any other form of ruling body. All planets in the UFP sends embassadors to
the Federation Council, adn a Leader, aka the Presdient of the UFP is
elected either by the "general assembly" of the UFP or is done through a
general election of the population of the Federation. Personally I think
that teh Formaer is more likely, as a general election that spans almost
half of a Quadrant would be a little taxing to say the least.
As we know form Picard, "The economics of the future is quite
different,..." All of mans, adn aliens, basic needs are taken care of. free
medicare coverage, free education, free food. However we also know that
there exists, Gold Pressed Latnium for trade and currencey throughout the
beta and alpha quadrants. Although there is no need for money because all
things are taken care of by the federation, there still exists Federation
credits, received for pay. As utopian that this society seems there is still
the seperation of haves and have nots, its just that the spread is never all
that big. In short this to me is the area in which the socialism resides,
not the communism.

Nick "worst speller ever" Lidster
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Re: Defense Reform

[Nick Lidster]

Gautam,
I too have far less expertise then Damon , however as you put it, the army
of today are better tehn teh army that fought in the Gulf war, Wrong IMO.
The Gulf War army was teh WW3 army of europe that had been training for the
ultimate show down between the Allies and the Commies.

on the other foot...if the US had to deploy a much larger force and make a
slow march to the capital , instead of tring to cut off teh head of the
snake,imo the war would be over now with much less resistance then what is
currently being seen throughout Iraq

Nick

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26 May 2003
- Original Message -
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Defense Reform


> --- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gautam,
> >
> > I don't have the time to adress this in full (I just
> > got a teaching job on the side, and its proving more
> > challenging than I had anticipated), but let me ask
> > you this: what do you think would have happened if
> > the
> > Iraqi army proved to HAVE some spine, and decided to
> > turn their cities into fortresses and engage Allied
> > troops at every turn, and contest every shopfront,
> > every street intersection? While I don't
> > neccessarily
> > want to denigrate the achievements of our troops in
> > the field, but a big part of our success, and why
> > casualties during the actual offensive were so low,
> > is
> > in a certain extent because the Iraqis chose not to
> > challenge us so stiffly, and a large segment of
> > their
> > army abandoned their duty.
> >
> > Damon.
>
> Hi Damon.  Obviously you have far more expertise on
> this subject than I do.  My sense is twofold.  First,
> the Iraqi army could had shown some spine without
> fighting in the cities.  Had it done so and attempted
> to fight in the open field, I think the results would
> have been essentially the same.  The battles of the
> first Gulf War suggest that, to first order, the
> numerical ratio between American and Third
> World-caliber forces (like the Iraqis, who are
> probably much better than Third World average) is
> irrelevant to the outcome of the battle.  And American
> forces now are far more capable than their
> counterparts in the first Gulf War.
>
> Second, I would say that the fact that the Iraqi army
> folded the way it did (and it did, after all, fight
> hard in several battles) was not an accident.  The
> first reason for this is that American intelligence
> seems (for once!) to have been remarkably successful
> in persuading large sections of the Iraqi army to not
> fight.  At least in the first Gulf War, they showed no
> lack of fighting spirit - not a lot of skill, but they
> didn't lack spirit.  The second is that the sheer
> speed of the American advance seems to have stunned
> Iraqi forces.  They might well have intended to drop
> back into the cities and fight - but we moved so fast
> that they didn't have time to do it.
>
> Finally, if neither of those two things had happened,
> many of the same factors that make us so effective in
> the open field might have helped in cities as well.
> The Israeli experience in Jenin suggests that First
> World caliber forces fighting Third World caliber ones
> in cities actually do quite well.  Much of our mental
> model of city fighting is based on Western, Russian,
> and German forces fighting in the European Theatre in
> the Eastern Front.  But all of those armies were
> extraordinary - well trained, well equipped, and
> highly experienced.  The Iraqis were none of those.
> Meanwhile our soldiers (as you know, and were part of,
> of course) are better than any other such group since
> at least the pre-WW1 British Army, and quite possibly
> since the Roman Legions.
>
> So, if the opposition had fought more effectively,
> would there have been more casualties and would the
> war have taken longer?  Of course there would have
> been.  Would it have been any less decisive a victory?
>  I doubt it.
>
> So that's my non-professional and unexpert opinion.
>
> =
> Gautam Mukunda
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