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On 18 Oct 2007 at 19:00, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 01:33 PM Thursday 10/18/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! So what's the conversion factor to $US? 1 UKP to 2 USD, near enough. (The web tablet's second hand but in excellent condition) AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 21:34, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:41, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 20:26, William T Goodall wrote: Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. Twice, plus the expensive contract the iPhone comes with. And sure, you can compare the Touch but it's still a mulrimedia device, not a computer. How is it not a computer? It has UNIX running on a fast RISC CPU, WiFi access, a web browser and a variety of other applications and the SDK will be available in February. It's a closed platform. I cannot pick up a 'NIX program I want and run it on there. A SDK can't compete with root access. Oh, and I can get a lot of programs pre-compiled as well since it's got a x86- family CPU. If I get another small device it'll have a e-ink screen for reading ebooks. The iPhone already has native pdf display. PDF is an absolutely terrible format for small-screen viewing, you realise? There are plenty of formats which are actually designed for small displays. Also, it's a LCD not an e-ink screen. Devices with e-ink screens have battery lifes typically measured in months (they only need power to page flip*), don't suffer from light or viewing angle issues, etc. (*The ones which are also MP3 players, you can go through the battery much quicker, sure...) SDK in February Maru Yep, a SDK in Febuary or a full Linux install now? Gee. Definitely the SDK in February. Until you want to do something which the SDK doesn't permit. Like run, say, Megamek. Or Starlight-3 (a propriatory design math utility). Both of which run fine on ye tablet. Linux is OK for servers Maru It's great for routers (sure there's VxWorks, but customisable firmware is nice) and handheld devices too in my experience. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:55, William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:53, Andrew Crystall wrote: Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. Like most mp3 players the iPhone supports but does not require DRM. Even if you buy music from the iTunes store there are DRM free tracks available there too. In fact two million tracks (a third of the total) on the iTunes store are DRM free and this number will rise as Apple negotiates new deals with labels. Press release Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Most people have more than the average number of legs. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:56, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:55, William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:53, Andrew Crystall wrote: Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. Like most mp3 players the iPhone supports but does not require DRM. Even if you buy music from the iTunes store there are DRM free tracks available there too. To little, too late. Amazon has allready got more songs DRM-free. Apple still bent over backwards to fall into line with the Axis of DRM evil, and that is going to forever taint them. AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:56, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Clay Tablets and Cuneiform Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:31, Andrew Crystall wrote: To little, too late. Amazon has allready got more songs DRM-free. Apple still bent over backwards to fall into line with the Axis of DRM evil, and that is going to forever taint them. Amazon's two million sounds very much like iTunes' two million. After all they have to get them from the same sources in the end. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:56, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Absolutely (it's an active stylus, not a passive, I should add). It's a good way to use a deacent sized screen as opposed to poking arround on a far smaller screen with no tactile feedback, when the smaller device is many times as expensive. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:19, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Absolutely (it's an active stylus, not a passive, I should add). It's a good way to use a deacent sized screen as opposed to poking arround on a far smaller screen with no tactile feedback, when the smaller device is many times as expensive. Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. SDK in February Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 20:26, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:19, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Absolutely (it's an active stylus, not a passive, I should add). It's a good way to use a deacent sized screen as opposed to poking arround on a far smaller screen with no tactile feedback, when the smaller device is many times as expensive. Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. Twice, plus the expensive contract the iPhone comes with. And sure, you can compare the Touch but it's still a mulrimedia device, not a computer. If I get another small device it'll have a e-ink screen for reading ebooks. SDK in February Maru Yep, a SDK in Febuary or a full Linux install now? Gee. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:41, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 20:26, William T Goodall wrote: Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. Twice, plus the expensive contract the iPhone comes with. And sure, you can compare the Touch but it's still a mulrimedia device, not a computer. How is it not a computer? It has UNIX running on a fast RISC CPU, WiFi access, a web browser and a variety of other applications and the SDK will be available in February. If I get another small device it'll have a e-ink screen for reading ebooks. The iPhone already has native pdf display. SDK in February Maru Yep, a SDK in Febuary or a full Linux install now? Gee. Definitely the SDK in February. Linux is OK for servers Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 01:33 PM Thursday 10/18/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! So what's the conversion factor to $US? You can use http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html to figure it out. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:33 PM Thursday 10/18/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! So what's the conversion factor to $US? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 05:40 PM Tuesday 10/16/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: [snip and hope I left the attributions right] Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. My previous phone had batteries for which a desktop charger was available. I kept one charged as a spare and never ran into the phone-totally-out-of-juice problem (except for once or twice when I forgot to take the charged spare with me). My current phone does not have this option, because the manufacturer thinks it's a weird thing to want, and it annoys the crap out of me. One of the primary reasons many people give for having a cell phone (*the* primary reason for some of them) is for use in emergencies when frex their car quits running when they are miles from anywhere. Depending on where it happens and the time of night it happens it may take awhile to get hold of someone with a tow truck who is available and willing to come out there, or whatever help you need in the situation. Also, depending on the particular problem, you may not be able to use the charger plugged into the lighter socket, frex if the problem is electrical in nature or the problem is one which forces you to abandon the vehicle (frex it catches on fire or rolls into a lake). Then of course there is the example from last month of the woman who was trapped in her vehicle after it went off the road and down into a ravine who was found after she had been there for 8 days in part because they were able to locate the signal from her cell phone (see, frex, http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-28-washington-woman_N.htm). Having extended battery life so you can keep using it would likely also be helpful if you were frex hiking somewhere with cell service and fell and were injured and needed help (back in the late 80s before cell phones were available a guy I knew from the local SF groups was hiking in one of the canyons near Provo when that happened to him. They did not find him in time to rescue him but when they did they said that he had probably lived for some time lying there after falling. He wasn't far from town and the area is a popular place for an afternoon hike, so these days he probably would have been able to call for help if he had had a cell phone, or searchers could have used it to locate him similarly to the way the Washington woman was finally found), or if a storm or earthquake or other disaster knocks out your power and/or landline phone service for several days or causes you to have to evacuate, etc. . . . I'm almost tempted to see if I can get a second phone that takes the same kind of battery just to use as a charger. You can buy at various places either (or both) (1) a single-use backup battery in a case about the size of an old-fashioned (uses fluid rather than butane) cigarette lighter and has a plug on top which fits into the charging jack on your phone (they make different ones of different brands of phone, and I've seen them for sale at convenience stores) or (2) a device which similarly plugs into the charging jack but takes (various models) 2 or 4 standard AA or AAA batteries. I've also seen at some of the local W**-M*** stores which you mention below one of those hand-cranked emergency flashlights which in addition to a radio and some of the other features often included on such lights has a wire coming out of it which you can plug into your cell phone's charging jack to charge the phone's battery when you turn the crank. (According to the package after you buy the flashlight you contact the company and tell them what model phone you have and they will send you the plug which fits your phone for free.) (There may be some available for as little as $40 at my favorite grocery store; it's my favorite grocery store because if I really wanted to, I could buy a limited selection of power tools there at midnight, Frex, a power saw (and some trash bags) in case someone (note that I am presuming that you personally would probably not find yourself in this situation) had committed multiple homicide and needed a quick solution to the three-body problem? and the ownership
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:40 PM Tuesday 10/16/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: I'm almost tempted to see if I can get a second phone that takes the same kind of battery just to use as a charger. You can buy at various places either (or both) (1) a single-use backup battery in a case about the size of an old-fashioned (uses fluid rather than butane) cigarette lighter and has a plug on top which fits into the charging jack on your phone (they make different ones of different brands of phone, and I've seen them for sale at convenience stores) or (2) a device which similarly plugs into the charging jack but takes (various models) 2 or 4 standard AA or AAA batteries. I've also seen at some of the local W**-M*** stores which you mention below one of those hand-cranked emergency flashlights which in addition to a radio and some of the other features often included on such lights has a wire coming out of it which you can plug into your cell phone's charging jack to charge the phone's battery when you turn the crank. (According to the package after you buy the flashlight you contact the company and tell them what model phone you have and they will send you the plug which fits your phone for free.) I have one of those things that takes 2 AA batteries for charging my phone. (The cigarette lighter in my car doesn't work and I found myself needing to charge my phone one day well away from home. Fortunately, Target carries those things) (There may be some available for as little as $40 at my favorite grocery store; it's my favorite grocery store because if I really wanted to, I could buy a limited selection of power tools there at midnight, Frex, a power saw (and some trash bags) in case someone (note that I am presuming that you personally would probably not find yourself in this situation) had committed multiple homicide and needed a quick solution to the three-body problem? That hadn't occurred to me in the slightest, and for thorough disposal, you also want pool chemicals or something, so Wal-Mart may be a better bet. I'm thinking more like desperately needing a cordless drill and your schedule doesn't allow you go to to Home Depot very often. and the ownership isn't out to screw everyone else as badly as Wal-Mart seems to be.) Julia Which store would this be? (I'm wondering if I'm thinking of the right chain which I've encountered elsewhere. Answer off-list (or not at all) if you wish.) -- Ronn! :) HEB. I'm not sure you would have encountered it Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Andrew Crystall wrote: People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. I'm curious what battery life you get from your phone. I bought mine because it was so tiny, and it connects via bluetooth to the car for several hours in a typical day, and I still only charge it every few days. I would only talk on it for a up to an hour a day, but I've never come close to running out of battery. My son's phone (which only has a few minutes a day talk and no bluetooth) can go for weeks without charging - I just can't imagine the scanario where I would need to carry a spare battery... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Oct 2007, at 15:08, Russell Chapman wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. I'm curious what battery life you get from your phone. I bought mine because it was so tiny, and it connects via bluetooth to the car for several hours in a typical day, and I still only charge it every few days. I would only talk on it for a up to an hour a day, but I've never come close to running out of battery. My son's phone (which only has a few minutes a day talk and no bluetooth) can go for weeks without charging - I just can't imagine the scanario where I would need to carry a spare battery... My phone has *at least* four hours talk time / 100 standby on a charge and in practice I charge it about once a month or so. Basic Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It was the pseudo-religious transfiguration of politics that largely ensured [Hitler's] success, notably in Protestant areas. - Fritz Stern, professor emeritus of history at Columbia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:46, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone for recycling. WEEE. They have to take it back. And if you're on a PAYG not a contract phone, they can't exactly offer you a contract discount can they? there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on that site about discounts or refunds. Accessories. For most phones, that's what the battery is. People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. If you have an emergency situation and spent six hours on the phone while heading somewhere, you realise the ~ 4 1/2 hour talktime isn't really enough. DRM isn't about choice. And neither is the iPhone. It's the best choice :-) For so badly overpriced it's funny, no-tactile feedback, no-deacent speed internet access trash, yes. I spent about £4 a month on my average phone bill (two emegencies lead to £30+ yes, but that's in some years) and have a relatively old phone. I want a phone to talk on, where I can dial on the buss (with one hand, since the other one's holding on). The iPhone can't even deacently handle that, since it doesn't have tactile buttons. Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:08, Russell Chapman wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. I'm curious what battery life you get from your phone. I bought mine ~4 1/2 hours. It's not been enough on several emergency occasions. (I generally charge it once per week and it's typically down to ~25%) because it was so tiny, and it connects via bluetooth to the car for Tiny is bad, afaik. I want one which is deacent sized so I can hit the keys. And something like bluetooth afaik is a gimmick. I have a laptop for that... AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:08, Russell Chapman wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. I'm curious what battery life you get from your phone. I bought mine ~4 1/2 hours. It's not been enough on several emergency occasions. (I generally charge it once per week and it's typically down to ~25%) because it was so tiny, and it connects via bluetooth to the car for Tiny is bad, afaik. I want one which is deacent sized so I can hit the keys. And something like bluetooth afaik is a gimmick. I have a laptop for that... While I am completely in line with your comments about the iPhone's manifold weaknesses (I'm completely surrounded by Apple Fanboys at work, so I know whereof I speak), I can't agree about bluetooth. I use a bluetooth headset lots of time while on the phone in the car, and it beats the hell out of arriving at destination, opening the door and having my Blackberry go flying out into the parking lot because the earphone cable was tangled in the seatbelt... I admit that I get out of my car rather quickly, and that I am a bit of a klutz, but having a bluetooth headset is a boon. Also, I have paired various phones with my laptop as a modem, which has given me network (albeit rather slow network) when I would otherwise have been offline. Whether this is, in the largest sense, a blessing or a curse is still under consideration. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Oct 2007 at 15:59, Dave Land wrote: I use a bluetooth headset lots of time while on the phone in the car, and it beats the hell out of arriving at destination, opening the door and having my Blackberry go flying out into the parking lot because the earphone cable was tangled in the seatbelt... I admit that I get out of my car rather quickly, and that I am a bit of a klutz, but having a bluetooth headset is a boon. I very rarely listen to music - I don't buy any these days because of the major labels unrealistic business model, so that's not a concern to me. If you fins it useful, great.. Also, I have paired various phones with my laptop as a modem, which has given me network (albeit rather slow network) when I would otherwise have been offline. Whether this is, in the largest sense, a blessing or a curse is still under consideration. I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:53, Andrew Crystall wrote: Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. Like most mp3 players the iPhone supports but does not require DRM. Even if you buy music from the iTunes store there are DRM free tracks available there too. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Andrew Crystall wrote: Tiny is bad, afaik. I want one which is deacent sized so I can hit the keys. And something like bluetooth afaik is a gimmick. I have a laptop for that... Bluetooth is what makes tiny so great for me. As soon as I get into either car, the phone connects and I can make and receive calls via voice commands, without the need to ever take the phone out of my pocket/belt pouch. A Bluetooth headset for when I'm out of the car, and I've still got voice dialling (now if I could carry a spare battery for the bluetooth headset, I might find some value in that...). As an added bonus, Bluetooth means the phone's contents (address book, messages etc) are backed up every time my phone comes near my laptop, again without taking it out. And when I'm overseas (away from Australia's HSPDA network) a Bluetooth phone means my laptop can still get the internet via 3G) Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Oct 2007 at 2:16, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually, glued and soldered in to the handset That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though. AndrewC So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one? You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you can send it to one of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper. You have to send the entire phone back, right. This clearly makes the phone unsuitable for a lot of uses. Making lithium batteries user replaceable is an incredibly bad idea environmentally speaking because the old one is going in the household trash 99% of the time. Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one (which would be a far better way of handling it). Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, he gets a packand and has to deal with it. This is, bluntly, highly objectionable. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, DRM isn't about choice. Evidently Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things. -John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, DRM isn't about choice. And neither is the iPhone. AndrewC Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone for recycling. there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on that site about discounts or refunds. Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, DRM isn't about choice. And neither is the iPhone. It's the best choice :-) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone for recycling. there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on that site about discounts or refunds. Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. My previous phone had batteries for which a desktop charger was available. I kept one charged as a spare and never ran into the phone-totally-out-of-juice problem (except for once or twice when I forgot to take the charged spare with me). My current phone does not have this option, because the manufacturer thinks it's a weird thing to want, and it annoys the crap out of me. I'm almost tempted to see if I can get a second phone that takes the same kind of battery just to use as a charger. (There may be some available for as little as $40 at my favorite grocery store; it's my favorite grocery store because if I really wanted to, I could buy a limited selection of power tools there at midnight, and the ownership isn't out to screw everyone else as badly as Wal-Mart seems to be.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
