Big developments

[Parker, Kevin]

This is sort of OT so I apologise but I figure there is lots of expertise on
this great list and project management is an issue worth discussing.

In the next 8 weeks I have to completely recut our web site which means new
look and feel, rehash the current stuff, restructure the site, lots of new
stuff etc etc. I currently have a Web Designer and a Web Support Officer
(who does the routine stuff like put this here, fix those links etc). The
bosses are giving me 2 extra people to cut HTML and a Content Editor to cast
an eye over all the words. 

I would greatly appreciate any advice on planning and managing such a task
with this number of people involved in this time frame or pointers to any
resources/info that might help me keep my head straight doing this.



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Re: OT: RE: Developer Directory?

[Michael Dinowitz]

Thank you for pointing that out. I'll have that specific text changed in the
morning. There are a number of lists that are targeted for different
subjects. One of them is CF-Community which is for OT stuff like this.
That being said, I have to agree with others and ask that this thread be
moved to CF-Community.


> If the thread in question was so off-topic as to "go to new heights/lows"
how
> much more so this thread about the thread that left the topic?
>
> And anyway, the CF-Talk guidelines say:
> "The CF-Talk Mailing List provides an email based forum in which members
can
> read and post about ColdFusion and related topics."
> "Please DO post your succinct questions and answers, announcements about
> events, products, and job opportunities and your input on discussions of
> workplace issues. As long as the topic is ColdFusion-related, and your
TOPIC
> clearly defined in your SUBJECT line, it is acceptable (exceptions noted
> below). "
>
> Since this thread is pertinent to both "workplace issues" and the
ColdFusion
> language itself, as well as a large group of its developers/users, I would
deem
> it to be on-topic.
>
> Note that this list is CF-Talk, not CF-Code-Help.
>
> 
> 
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, paul smith spake thusly:
> > I chose to receive messages about CF.
> > Not about totally different topics.
> >
> > OT messages are one thing, and I almost always simply tolerate them and
hit
> > delete, but this thread goes to new heights/lows.
> >
> > I simply make the observation that those who feel so strongly about
those
> > who inflict unwanted unwanted messages on them chose to express their
> > feelings on the subject by inflicting unwanted messages on others.
> >
> > Don't you think that's a bit odd?  Don't you think they could have
instead
> > simply corresponded directly with the person they consider a SPAMMER?
> >
> > best,  paul
> >
> > At 04:24 PM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >We're not spamming the list.  You choose to receive these messages.
> > >
> > >--K
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:51 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I find it curious that those who are so sensitive about
> > > > SPAM express it by SPAMMING this list with OT messages ;-)
> > > >
> > > > best,  paul
> > > >
> >
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[thomas daniel]

does anyone know how to pass a form variable from a drill down menu 
populated by a database(value=column heading)throughout an entire circuit in 
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RE: OT Increasing Traffic

[Jeremy Allen]

Heh google is awesome (yahoo uses it for its searching)
And I must say google is quote awesome.
they are the best of the best and they index more
information than anyone else (proven), and to boot
they have some reay smart people and their search
engine just works better and returns more accurate
resulsts.

However, see this


http://www.google.com/faq.html#crawler


Explains how to get google to index your site

(note I have seen the google crawler find my site
without ever indexing it and if you search for

Lol at google do a search for "Jeremy gdev"

and my site comes up in at least one place and
Jeremy Allen gdev and it actually finds me
on my homepage AND in a discussion website
(/.) i partiicpate in so its safe to say
that google does some hardcore indexing of
the internet hehe :) Its impressive if you
ask me.

For example

Searched the web for b.Results 1 - 10 of about 99,600,000. Search took
0.07 seconds.

Hehe :) Google rocks and heres the cool part.. you wont find nary an
advertisement on their site..


Jeremy Allen
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-Original Message-
From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT Increasing Traffic


Yes, I sure like google.com
It does the heretofore impossible:

Good, fast, and cheap!

But what are you noticing that does help a
site get a good ranking in the search engines?

best,  paul

PS> Check out "Love Those Links" in Oct 24, 2000 Business 2.0,
probably online at www.business2.com

At 10:00 PM 10/11/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > You guys are in the development field... how do you go about increasing
> > traffic to your sites?  What do you tell your clients when they ask how
to
> > increase traffic?
> >
> > Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?
>
>One thing we're beginning to notice is that meta tags and search engine
>submissions are quickly becoming a thing of the past.  So are all of the
>little search engine tricks, like addding hidden text and extensive image
>alt text.  Thank God, is all I can say.  A good search engine shouldn't be
>so easily manipulated.  Of course, even when the engines can be
manipulated,
>the effect generally lasts no longer than maybe 60-90 days, until the next
>guy leapfrogs you in search engine spamming.  See google.com for the first
>of the next generation in search engines.
>
>Jim


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RE: pointing different domain names to different sub directories on the one server

[Warrick, Mark]

My suggestion is that you find another ISP such as mine: tio.com who can do what you 
need done much cheaper.

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> -Original Message-
> From: AustralianAccommodation.com Pty. Ltd.
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: pointing different domain names to different sub
> directories on the one server
> 
> 
> interland came back and told me it would coast me 450 per month to upgrade
> to a higher level service in order to be able to have the multiple domains
> pointing to specific subdirectories
> 
> my solution at this stage is to create a splash / doorway page 
> for the site
> and have on it links to either the Australian site which will point to its
> own directory and a link to the nz site and it points to its own directory
> and solve the problem that way
> 
> your comments please
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "netman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: pointing different domain names to different sub 
> directories on
> the one server
> 
> 
> They are correct in there setup, but there are hosting companies out there
> that offer ipless hosting which will allow multiple domains setup to 1 ip,
> but different directories.  It just so happens that I am the 
> proud owner of
> a company that offers this hosting.  We give you 1 Ip address and 
> will allow
> for 10 separate domains to be setup to 10 different directories, email me
> and I can give you further details and show you the reliability of our
> hosting network.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The short answer is that this is possible, but probably not with your
> hosting company, so consider giving my company a try...
> 
> Robert Filipovich,
> ATSWebNet
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "AustralianAccommodation.com Pty. Ltd."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:55 AM
> Subject: pointing different domain names to different sub 
> directories on the
> one server
> 
> 
> > Is it possible to have two separate domain names being pointed to two
> > separate subdirectories of the one cf server space
> >
> > This was I can host two totally separate websites on the one cf server
> > account www.site.com points to the site1 subdirectory and www.site2.com
> > points to the site 2 subdirectory
> >
> > I have been told by my cf hosting service that this is not possible that
> you
> > need a totally separate account set up for each domain as the content of
> > each are totally different is this the case ???
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Claude Raiola (Director)
> > AustralianAccommodation.com Pty. Ltd.
> > Website: www.AustralianAccommodation.com
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> >
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RE: OT Increasing Traffic

[Michael Slatoff]

What sort of sites? There are all sorts of ways of generating traffic. There
are also ways of keeping that traffic as customers. It all depends on what
the client is looking for. Do they want to create life time customers or
just make a fast buck.

Michael Slatoff
www.designmetric.com


-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT Increasing Traffic


> You guys are in the development field... how do you go about increasing
> traffic to your sites?  What do you tell your clients when they ask how to
> increase traffic?
>
> Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?

One thing we're beginning to notice is that meta tags and search engine
submissions are quickly becoming a thing of the past.  So are all of the
little search engine tricks, like addding hidden text and extensive image
alt text.  Thank God, is all I can say.  A good search engine shouldn't be
so easily manipulated.  Of course, even when the engines can be manipulated,
the effect generally lasts no longer than maybe 60-90 days, until the next
guy leapfrogs you in search engine spamming.  See google.com for the first
of the next generation in search engines.

Jim



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Re: OT Increasing Traffic

[paul smith]

Yes, I sure like google.com
It does the heretofore impossible:

Good, fast, and cheap!

But what are you noticing that does help a
site get a good ranking in the search engines?

best,  paul

PS> Check out "Love Those Links" in Oct 24, 2000 Business 2.0,
probably online at www.business2.com

At 10:00 PM 10/11/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > You guys are in the development field... how do you go about increasing
> > traffic to your sites?  What do you tell your clients when they ask how to
> > increase traffic?
> >
> > Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?
>
>One thing we're beginning to notice is that meta tags and search engine
>submissions are quickly becoming a thing of the past.  So are all of the
>little search engine tricks, like addding hidden text and extensive image
>alt text.  Thank God, is all I can say.  A good search engine shouldn't be
>so easily manipulated.  Of course, even when the engines can be manipulated,
>the effect generally lasts no longer than maybe 60-90 days, until the next
>guy leapfrogs you in search engine spamming.  See google.com for the first
>of the next generation in search engines.
>
>Jim

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Re: OT Increasing Traffic

[Jim McAtee]

> You guys are in the development field... how do you go about increasing
> traffic to your sites?  What do you tell your clients when they ask how to
> increase traffic?
>
> Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?

One thing we're beginning to notice is that meta tags and search engine
submissions are quickly becoming a thing of the past.  So are all of the
little search engine tricks, like addding hidden text and extensive image
alt text.  Thank God, is all I can say.  A good search engine shouldn't be
so easily manipulated.  Of course, even when the engines can be manipulated,
the effect generally lasts no longer than maybe 60-90 days, until the next
guy leapfrogs you in search engine spamming.  See google.com for the first
of the next generation in search engines.

Jim


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RE: HttpX COM object - Help!

[Dave Watts]

> I'm getting an error trying to create the HTTPX COM object.  
> Has anyone been able to use this with CF? It looks great.  
> It's built on WinSock and supports SSL, headers, basically 
> everything you'd ever need for HTTP requests, but it's 
> somewhat complicated to use. If people are interested,
> it's at http://www.mabry.com/httpx.
> 
> Anyway, I'm getting this error:
> ***
> 
> Error trying to create object specified in the tag. 
> 
> COM error 0x800401F3. Invalid class string
...
>  Name="httpobj">
> 
> I'm using the class specified in the HTTPX documentation, 
> and I checked the registry and found this class, so I'm not 
> sure why this isn't working.

I was able to get this component working under CF with the following code:





Mabry HTTP/X Test







//objHTTP = CreateObject("COM", "Mabry.HttpXCtl");
objHTTP.Blocking = "Yes";
objHTTP.BlockingMode = 1;
objHTTP.URL = "http://www.allaire.com/";
objHTTP.Get();
objResponse = objHTTP.Response;


#objResponse.Body#




I'm using it on the machine on which I installed the demo version of the
component. You might want to either try manually registering the component
using REGSVR32.EXE, or uninstalling and reinstalling it using SETUP.EXE.

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RE: Help with Anchor Tag

[Peter Tilbrook]

See if the CF functions URLEncodedFormat and URLDecode assist you. Brief
description of what they do below:

URLEncodedFormat

Returns a URL-encoded string. Spaces are replaced with + and all
non-alphanumeric characters with equivalent hexadecimal escape sequences.
This function enables you to pass arbitrary strings within a URL, because
ColdFusion automatically decodes all URL parameters that are passed to the
template.

URLDecode

URL encoding refers to a data format where all high ASCII and
non-alphanumeric characters are encoded using a percent sign followed by the
two character hexadecimal representation of the character code. For example,
a character with code 129 will be encoded as %81. In addition, spaces can be
encoded using the plus sign (+).

Query strings in HTTP are always URL-encoded. 

URL-encoded strings can be created using the URLEncodedFormat function.

Also a look at the code in action might help us help you solve this problem.


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Internet Applications Developer
Aspect Computing Pty. Ltd.
19-25 Moore Street
Turner, ACT, 2612
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-Original Message-
From: Nick Slay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2000 11:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Help with Anchor Tag


But the '&' is coming through in the URL.

Can you not just escape the hash with another #, so it looks like this?





Robert Forsyth wrote:

> the '&' is part of the '&##035;'  or '#' which makes the '#'
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:11 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Help with Anchor Tag
> >
> >
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RE: CF 5.0???

[Peter Tilbrook]

Perhaps we need a temporary list as a seperate entity to cf-talk for
"Pharoah" discussion?

Cheers!

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RE: OT Increasing Traffic

[Cameron Childress]

Oop... I guess that's exactly what you were not asking for

Hey, it's late, give me a break...  and it still belongs on CF-Community

-Cameron


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> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:13 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: OT Increasing Traffic
> 
> 
> > Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?
> 
> Check out:
> http://www.searchenginewatch.com/
> 
> BTW - This really does belong on CF-Community.
> http://www.houseoffusion.com
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> 
> Cameron Childress
> ElliptIQ Inc.
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RE: OT Increasing Traffic

[Cameron Childress]

> Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?

Check out:
http://www.searchenginewatch.com/

BTW - This really does belong on CF-Community.
http://www.houseoffusion.com

-Cameron


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RE: CF Express limitation

[Cameron Childress]

> > I was thinking about installing Cold Fusion Express on my linux
> > box at home to work with, but don't know if it would be worth
> > the trouble. Has anyone here used it and can tell me what, if
> > any, limitations you ran in to? I can't find anything on the site
> > about what it doesn't support, so tell me if there is anything
> > major thats missing that I will need. Thanks,

You might find the "Edition Comparison Matrix" useful.  It compares the
features of all current versions of CF on all available platforms...

http://www.allaire.com/handlers/index.cfm?ID=13570&Method=Full&Title=Edition
%20Comparison%20Matrix&Cache=False
(URL may wrap)

-Cameron


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Re: OT: RE: Developer Directory?

[Jon Tillman]

If the thread in question was so off-topic as to "go to new heights/lows" how
much more so this thread about the thread that left the topic?

And anyway, the CF-Talk guidelines say:
"The CF-Talk Mailing List provides an email based forum in which members can
read and post about ColdFusion and related topics."
"Please DO post your succinct questions and answers, announcements about
events, products, and job opportunities and your input on discussions of
workplace issues. As long as the topic is ColdFusion-related, and your TOPIC
clearly defined in your SUBJECT line, it is acceptable (exceptions noted
below). "

Since this thread is pertinent to both "workplace issues" and the ColdFusion
language itself, as well as a large group of its developers/users, I would deem
it to be on-topic.

Note that this list is CF-Talk, not CF-Code-Help.




On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, paul smith spake thusly:
> I chose to receive messages about CF.
> Not about totally different topics.
> 
> OT messages are one thing, and I almost always simply tolerate them and hit 
> delete, but this thread goes to new heights/lows.
> 
> I simply make the observation that those who feel so strongly about those 
> who inflict unwanted unwanted messages on them chose to express their 
> feelings on the subject by inflicting unwanted messages on others.
> 
> Don't you think that's a bit odd?  Don't you think they could have instead 
> simply corresponded directly with the person they consider a SPAMMER?
> 
> best,  paul
> 
> At 04:24 PM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >We're not spamming the list.  You choose to receive these messages.
> >
> >--K
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:51 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > I find it curious that those who are so sensitive about
> > > SPAM express it by SPAMMING this list with OT messages ;-)
> > >
> > > best,  paul
> > >
> 
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RE: Still getting duplicate users

[Cameron Childress]

FYI - Also, not mentioned in that article...  In a very specific case, I
have seen CF assign two users the same CFID/CFTOKEN pair.  I cannot remember
which version it was that did this, but there was one version of CF (I think
either 4.0.0 or 4.0.1), but it only happened when upgrading from an older
version of CF.  Basically, when you ran the installer to perform the UG, it
created a new CF service, but did not remove the old one.  This resulted in
two CF services which would attempt to run at the same time.  Basically,
they would end up taking turns answering requests, and the result was (under
a load of one user) that exactly every other request had a different set of
Session vars.  Under heavy load, I suppose this type of setup could cause
the symptoms you are seeing.  The fix for this problem was to remove or
disable the older CF service entry.

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
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> -Original Message-
> From: David Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Still getting duplicate users
>
>
> I have an intranet application which has 100-200 concurrent users at peak
> times during the day.  The application uses a fairly large number
> of session
> variables.  Early after the application went to production, I had a large
> number of users who were assuming the cfid and cftoken values of other
> users.  After locking every session level write statement exclusively and
> every session level read statement read-only, the problem has
> been reduced,
> but not eliminated.  While I am not sure that I have locked the
> variables in
> the most efficient manner, I believe that all session variables have been
> locked.  Any ideas on where else to look for a solution to this annoying
> situation?
>
> In a possibly related question, what is best practice for passing the cfid
> and cftoken around the application?  I am currently using a cfparam tag to
> set session.addtoken=
> "cfid=#client.cfid#&cftoken=#client.cftoken#"  in the
> appGlobals (fusebox) template.  I then append "#session.addtoken#" to the
> url string throughout the app.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> David
>
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Re: CF Express limitation

[David Shadovitz]

This is from the CF Express documentation.
-David

ColdFusion Tags that are not in ColdFusion Express
The following tags are not in ColdFusion Express; however, both
ColdFusion Server Professional and ColdFusion Server Enterprise support
them. 

CFML Tag and Description 
 
CFAPPLET  Embeds Java applets in a CFFORM.  
CFASSOCIATE  Enables sub-tag data to be saved with the base tag.  
CFAUTHENTICATE  Authenticates a user and sets the security context for an
application.  
CFCACHE  Caches ColdFusion pages.  
CFCOL  Defines table column header, width, alignment, and text.  
CFCOLLECTION  Creates and administers Verity collections.  
CFCONTENT  Defines the content type and, optionally, the filename of a
file to be downloaded by the current page.  
CFDIRECTORY  Performs typical directory-handling tasks from within your
ColdFusion application.  
CFERROR  Displays customized HTML error pages when errors occur.  
CFEXIT  Aborts processing of currently executing CFML custom tag.  
CFFILE  Performs typical file-handling tasks from within your ColdFusion
application.  
CFFORM  Builds an input form and performs client-side input validation.  
CFFTP  Permits FTP file operations.  
CFGRID  Used in CFFORM to create a grid control for tabular data.  
CFGRIDCOLUMN  Used in CFFORM to define the columns used in a CFGRID.  
CFGRIDROW  Used with CFGRID to define a grid row.  
CFGRIDUPDATE  Performs updates directly to ODBC data source from edited
grid data.  
CFHEADER  Generates HTTP headers.  
CFHTMLHEAD  Writes text, including HTML, to the HEAD section of a
specified page.  
CFHTTP  Used to perform GET and POST to upload files or post a form,
cookie, query, or CGI variable directly to a specified server.  
CFHTTPPARAM  Used with CFHTTP to specify parameters necessary for a
CFHTTP POST operation.  
CFINDEX  Used to create Verity search indexes.  
CFINPUT  Used in CFFORM to create input elements such as radio buttons,
checkboxes, and text entry boxes.  
CFLDAP  Provides access to LDAP directory servers.  
CFLOCK  Synchronizes a section of CFML code.  
CFMAIL  Assembles and posts an email message.  
CFMODULE  Used to invoke a custom tag.  
CFOBJECT  Creates and uses COM or CORBA objects.  
CFPARAM  Defines a parameter and its initial default value.  
CFPOP  Retrieves messages from a POP mail server.  
CFPROCPARAM  Specifies parameter information for a stored procedure.  
CFPROCRESULT  Specifies a result set name that other ColdFusion tags use
to access the result set from a stored procedure.  
CFREGISTRY  Reads, writes, and deletes keys and values in the system
registry.  
CFREPORT  Embeds a Crystal Reports report.  
CFSCHEDULE  Schedules page execution with option to produce static pages.
 
CFSCRIPT  Encloses a set of CFScript statements.  
CFSEARCH  Executes searches against data indexed in Verity collections
using CFINDEX.  
CFSELECT  Used in CFFORM to create a drop-down list box form element.  
CFSLIDER  Used in CFFORM to create a slider control element.  
CFSTOREDPROC  Specifies database connection information and identifies
the stored procedure to be executed.  
CFTABLE  Builds a table.  
CFTEXTINPUT  Places a single-line text entry box in a CFFORM.  
CFTHROW  Raises a developer-specified exception.  
CFTRANSACTION  Groups CFQUERYs into a single transaction; performs
rollback processing.  
CFTREE  Used in CFFORM to create a tree control element.  
CFTREEITEM  Used with CFTREE to populate a tree control element in a
CFFORM.  
CFWDDX  Serializes and de-serializes CFML data structures to the
XML-based WDDX format.  

You can scale your Express applications using ColdFusion Enterprise or
ColdFusion Professional to deliver complex, large volume, transaction
intensive solutions. Applications built with ColdFusion Express can be
deployed on any other version of ColdFusion Server without modification.
More detailed information on upgrade opportunities from ColdFusion
Express can be found online at www.allaire.com/cfexpressupgrade.


On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:42:55 -0500 Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was thinking about installing Cold Fusion Express on my linux
> box at home to work with, but don't know if it would be worth
> the trouble. Has anyone here used it and can tell me what, if
> any, limitations you ran in to? I can't find anything on the site
> about what it doesn't support, so tell me if there is anything
> major thats missing that I will need. Thanks,
> 
> Ryan

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RE: Still getting duplicate users

[Cameron Childress]

Check out:

How Can I Keep My Session Variables From Getting Mixed Up?
http://www.teamallaire.com/tutorials/index.cfm?fuseaction=display&topicid=00
2

-Cameron


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> -Original Message-
> From: David Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Still getting duplicate users
>
>
> I have an intranet application which has 100-200 concurrent users at peak
> times during the day.  The application uses a fairly large number
> of session
> variables.  Early after the application went to production, I had a large
> number of users who were assuming the cfid and cftoken values of other
> users.  After locking every session level write statement exclusively and
> every session level read statement read-only, the problem has
> been reduced,
> but not eliminated.  While I am not sure that I have locked the
> variables in
> the most efficient manner, I believe that all session variables have been
> locked.  Any ideas on where else to look for a solution to this annoying
> situation?
>
> In a possibly related question, what is best practice for passing the cfid
> and cftoken around the application?  I am currently using a cfparam tag to
> set session.addtoken=
> "cfid=#client.cfid#&cftoken=#client.cftoken#"  in the
> appGlobals (fusebox) template.  I then append "#session.addtoken#" to the
> url string throughout the app.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> David
>
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OT: RE: Developer Directory?

[paul smith]

I chose to receive messages about CF.
Not about totally different topics.

OT messages are one thing, and I almost always simply tolerate them and hit 
delete, but this thread goes to new heights/lows.

I simply make the observation that those who feel so strongly about those 
who inflict unwanted unwanted messages on them chose to express their 
feelings on the subject by inflicting unwanted messages on others.

Don't you think that's a bit odd?  Don't you think they could have instead 
simply corresponded directly with the person they consider a SPAMMER?

best,  paul

At 04:24 PM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote:
>We're not spamming the list.  You choose to receive these messages.
>
>--K
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:51 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > I find it curious that those who are so sensitive about
> > SPAM express it by SPAMMING this list with OT messages ;-)
> >
> > best,  paul
> >

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Still getting duplicate users

[David Davies]

I have an intranet application which has 100-200 concurrent users at peak
times during the day.  The application uses a fairly large number of session
variables.  Early after the application went to production, I had a large
number of users who were assuming the cfid and cftoken values of other
users.  After locking every session level write statement exclusively and
every session level read statement read-only, the problem has been reduced,
but not eliminated.  While I am not sure that I have locked the variables in
the most efficient manner, I believe that all session variables have been
locked.  Any ideas on where else to look for a solution to this annoying
situation?

In a possibly related question, what is best practice for passing the cfid
and cftoken around the application?  I am currently using a cfparam tag to
set session.addtoken= "cfid=#client.cfid#&cftoken=#client.cftoken#"  in the
appGlobals (fusebox) template.  I then append "#session.addtoken#" to the
url string throughout the app.

Thanks for any input.

David

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OT Increasing Traffic

[Jake Hileman]

You guys are in the development field... how do you go about increasing
traffic to your sites?  What do you tell your clients when they ask how to
increase traffic?

Any ideas other then meta tag optimization and search engines, etc?



Thanks any ideas are appreciated!

Jake
superiorhosts.com

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RE: CF 5.0???

[Scott, Andrew]

CF4.5 was a total rewrite for the linux OS, so that it is native to that OS
instead of a port:-)

regards

Andrew Scott
Cold Fusion Application Developer

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 October 2000 11:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 5.0???


> it's not very likely that you'll be seeing CF Server 5.0, which is a
> complete rewrite,

That's the first I've heard anyone mention that 5.0 would be a "complete
rewrite".  Wasn't 4.5 a complete rewrite?  How often do they need to start
from scratch?  That's genuinely sobering news if it's true and considring
all of bugs introduced in 4.5.

Jim



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Re: Help with Anchor Tag

[Nick Slay]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--878F416DBD579DF9C4F6FAB2
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="D5FDC2B1E16C5E047545EA35"


--D5FDC2B1E16C5E047545EA35
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; 
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

But the '&' is coming through in the URL.

Can you not just escape the hash with another #, so it looks like this?





Robert Forsyth wrote:

> the '&' is part of the '&##035;'  or '#' which makes the '#'
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nick Slay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:11 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Help with Anchor Tag
> >
> >
> >
> > --1232FE0970466C95AEECB53D
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
> > x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > ooopp!!!
> >
> > Hold that thought... you could actually try REMOVING the & before
> > the #1510 first!!   :^)
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Forsyth wrote:
> >
> > > I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks on a
> > particular news story
> > >
> > > when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all
> > feedback and set the page position from the calling link on the
> > parent's page.  Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet
> > from the calling page:
> > >
> > > 
> > >  > href="javascript:pop_window('feedback.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#tr
> > im(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#
> > > 
> > >
> > > which results in a url that is:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > '1510' is the record messageid
> > >
> > > on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for
> > this story and add a  anchor in the output:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor
> > location.  Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is
> > it possible to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
> > >
> > > thanks for the help!
> > >
> > > Robert Forsyth
> > > Director of Web Operations
> > > Irides, LLC
> > > Phone: 202-364-7831
> > >   Fax: 202-364-2481
> > >
> > >
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> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > 
> > 
> > ooopp!!!
> > Hold that thought... you could actually try REMOVING the & before
> > the #1510 first!!   :^)
> > Nick
> >  
> >  
> > Robert Forsyth wrote:
> > I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks
> > on a particular news story
> > when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show
> > all feedback
> > and set the page position from the calling link on the parent's
> > page. 
> > Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet from the calling page:
> > 
> >  > im(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid">javascript:pop_window('feedba
> > ck.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#trim(news.headline)#&##03
> > 5;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#

> > 
> > which results in a url that is:
> > 
> > '1510' is the record messageid
> > on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story
> > and add a  anchor in the output:
> > 
> > But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the
> > anchor location. 
> > Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible
> > to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
> > thanks for the help!
> > Robert Forsyth
> > Director of Web Operations
> > Irides, LLC
> > Phone: 202-364-7831
> >   Fax: 202-364-2481
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Re: How to display Value and Label from listbox

[Jon Hall]

The absolute easiest way to solve this problem would be to make the option
value a comma delimited list as follows:

  Africa
  mailto:value="[EMAIL PROTECTED],Asia & Pacific">Asia &
Pacific
  mailto:value="[EMAIL PROTECTED],Eastern South America">Eastern
South America
 

Then on your output page do the following:


Email: #listgetat(FORM.Region,1)#
Region #listgetat(FORM.Region,2)#


Of course the easiest way to do it now might not be the easiest way to in
the future. What happens when you need to add a new region and email or what
if you need to display more information than a contact email and region? You
are better off putting all the information into a database and pulling it as
you need it, that way you wont need to edit any html when another region is
added...

jon
- Original Message -
From: "Les Mizzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:08 PM
Subject: How to display Value and Label from listbox


> Trying to figure out how to format output for a listbox on a form, such as
> below:
>
>
>   Africa
>   Asia & Pacific
>   Eastern South America
> 
>
> On the action page, I can easily get the value to come up
>
> 
> #Region#
> 
>
> However, I need BOTH the value, and the Item Label to display, like:
>
> Region Email
> Africa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> For processing purposes, I'm ONLY using the value (the email address) but
> for display purposes, and since there's close to 50 regions in the list, I
> need to see the label as well so the client will know if they selected the
> right region or not.
>
> That make any sense?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Les Mizzell
> ***
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RE: CFSTOREDPROC and caching

[Dave Watts]

> Off hand, which platforms support this calling convention?

The only one that I know fully supports it for sure is MS SQL Server.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: CF 5.0???

[Dave Watts]

> > it's not very likely that you'll be seeing CF Server 5.0, which is a
> > complete rewrite,
> 
> That's the first I've heard anyone mention that 5.0 would be 
> a "complete rewrite". Wasn't 4.5 a complete rewrite? How often 
> do they need to start from scratch? That's genuinely sobering 
> news if it's true and considring all of bugs introduced in 4.5.

Check out the Allaire site for information on "Pharoah", which is the
codename for the 5.0 release. It's going to be a Java servlet engine (using
the JRun product as a starting point) which can execute CFML scripts in a
way similar to JSP scripts - they're actually compiled into servlets before
execution. It's been discussed a decent amount here on the list, actually.

There's a lot of good stuff that could happen out of this, if it's executed
correctly. One thing that you do when developing enterprise ASP applications
is that you typically move complex logic into middle-tier components, and
host those components in MTS, which provides very good performance for that
logic. You can use MTS-hosted components in CF as well, but then you're tied
into using IIS, because MTS essentially comes with IIS. With CF 5, you'll be
able to build a pure CF-based analogue to this structure, using Enterprise
Java Beans running in-process within the CF server. Also, we should be able
to do things like use shared-memory session variables, allowing the use of
session variables within a fully load-balanced environment - something you
can't do in CF now, but can with Java application servers.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: CFSTOREDPROC and caching

[Dave Watts]

> I haven't verified that there is actually anything in the 
> cached query but the debug does say (Records=1, Time=Cached Query)
> 
>  cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(0,1,0,0)#">
>  exec sp_getUser @username = '#client.username#', @password =
> '#client.password#'
> 
> 
> You could give it a try.

That's essentially analogous to using the ODBC call syntax. It still doesn't
let you cache the results of a CFSTOREDPROC tag, which has all kinds of
extra functionality.

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RE: Help with Anchor Tag

[Robert Forsyth]

the '&' is part of the '&##035;'  or '#' which makes the '#'

> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Slay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: Help with Anchor Tag
>
>
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> ooopp!!!
>
> Hold that thought... you could actually try REMOVING the & before
> the #1510 first!!   :^)
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Robert Forsyth wrote:
>
> > I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks on a
> particular news story
> >
> > when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all
> feedback and set the page position from the calling link on the
> parent's page.  Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet
> from the calling page:
> >
> > 
> >  href="javascript:pop_window('feedback.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#tr
> im(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#
> > 
> >
> > which results in a url that is:
> >
> > 
> >
> > '1510' is the record messageid
> >
> > on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for
> this story and add a  anchor in the output:
> >
> > 
> >
> > But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor
> location.  Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is
> it possible to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
> >
> > thanks for the help!
> >
> > Robert Forsyth
> > Director of Web Operations
> > Irides, LLC
> > Phone: 202-364-7831
> >   Fax: 202-364-2481
> >
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> ooopp!!!
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> Nick
>  
>  
> Robert Forsyth wrote:
> I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks
> on a particular news story
> when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show
> all feedback
> and set the page position from the calling link on the parent's
> page. 
> Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet from the calling page:
> 
>  im(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid">javascript:pop_window('feedba
> ck.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#trim(news.headline)#&##03
> 5;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#

> 
> which results in a url that is:
> 
> '1510' is the record messageid
> on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story
> and add a  anchor in the output:
> 
> But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the
> anchor location. 
> Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible
> to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
> thanks for the help!
> Robert Forsyth
> Director of Web Operations
> Irides, LLC
> Phone: 202-364-7831
>   Fax: 202-364-2481
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Re: CFSTOREDPROC and caching

[jeffc]

I haven't verified that there is actually anything in the cached query but
the debug does say (Records=1, Time=Cached Query)


 exec sp_getUser @username = '#client.username#', @password =
'#client.password#'


You could give it a try.

Jeff Craig

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> > As far as I can tell, there are no caching attributes for
> > CFSTOREDPROC the way there are for CFQUERY. Has anyone
> > developed a generic tag to implement this? It should
> > theoretically be possible to mimic CFSTOREDPROC and keep
> > all the relevant stuff in server variables, but I don't
> > think it's trivial, and I don't want to do it if someone
> > else has.
>
> It's an unfortunate omission that CFSTOREDPROC doesn't support the query
> caching introduced in CF 4. However, if you're using a platform that
> supports the ODBC call syntax for executing stored procedures through the
> CFQUERY tag, you can call your stored procedure and have it cached:
>
>  cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#">
> { call mysp(#mynumericparam#, '#mystringparam#') }
> 
>
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RE: OT - Allaire consulting?

[Steve Pierce]

Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM has done it for years. Some companies will not
choose a product unless the vendor provides consultants. I think it is a
good idea and support it.

 - Steve

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> Anyone have any thoughts on Allaire doing their own
> consulting now? I'm just curious to see if I'm the only
> one who thinks maybe they're getting a bit far afield
> (more specifically, into OUR field)...


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RE: Session Variable size limit

[Dave Watts]

> is there a byte limit to how large a single session variable can be??
> can I make a session variable as large as I want or is there a limit.
> and also how about application and client variables?

There may in fact be a limit, but given some of the things I've seen people
store persistently in memory, you're not likely to have enough physical
memory in your server to reach that limit.

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Re: CF 5.0???

[Jim McAtee]

> it's not very likely that you'll be seeing CF Server 5.0, which is a
> complete rewrite,

That's the first I've heard anyone mention that 5.0 would be a "complete
rewrite".  Wasn't 4.5 a complete rewrite?  How often do they need to start
from scratch?  That's genuinely sobering news if it's true and considring
all of bugs introduced in 4.5.

Jim


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RE: CF 5.0???

[Dave Watts]

> > I just spoke to the head of sales at Fig Leaf Software
> > (partners of Allaire) yesterday and asked him the same 
> > question, Allaire has not told him when the release date 
> > is, so therefore probably not for a while. Still in testing.
> > I would buy 4.5.1 if you want to get started. Originally it 
> > was supposed to come out at the end of this year don't 
> > think it's gonna happen.
> >
> Thats funny because the Allaire rep told me early November.

Given that there's a scheduled 4.5 SP 2, and I believe a 4.6 release as
well, it's not very likely that you'll be seeing CF Server 5.0, which is a
complete rewrite, any time in the near future. The 4.5.x release should get
you free upgrades until 5.0 comes out, without even getting the
subscription. I'm not a sales guy, so I don't know about the upgrade pricing
path for sure, though. If anyone's interested, I'll ask our sales director
for the answer.

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Re: CFSTOREDPROC and caching

[Jim McAtee]

> It's an unfortunate omission that CFSTOREDPROC doesn't support the query
> caching introduced in CF 4. However, if you're using a platform that
> supports the ODBC call syntax for executing stored procedures through the
> CFQUERY tag, you can call your stored procedure and have it cached:
> 
>  cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#">
> { call mysp(#mynumericparam#, '#mystringparam#') }
> 


Off hand, which platforms support this calling convention?

Jim

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RE: OT - Allaire consulting?

[Dave Watts]

> Anyone have any thoughts on Allaire doing their own 
> consulting now? I'm just curious to see if I'm the only 
> one who thinks maybe they're getting a bit far afield 
> (more specifically, into OUR field)...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. Allaire has actually done consulting
on and off in the past. They've tended to limit themselves to relatively
short-term projects, proof-of-concept implementations, and performance
tuning. This has actually generated business for non-Allaire consultants and
trainers by selling Fortune 500 clients on using CF and Spectra.

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How to display Value and Label from listbox

[Les Mizzell]

Trying to figure out how to format output for a listbox on a form, such as
below:

   
  Africa
  Asia & Pacific
  Eastern South America


On the action page, I can easily get the value to come up


#Region#


However, I need BOTH the value, and the Item Label to display, like:

Region  Email
Africa  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For processing purposes, I'm ONLY using the value (the email address) but
for display purposes, and since there's close to 50 regions in the list, I
need to see the label as well so the client will know if they selected the
right region or not.

That make any sense?

Thanks!

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RE: SESSION Vars to FORM vars

[Andrew S]

Put all the sesion variables in a structure and convert it to a wddx packet
using







Ofcourse you'll have to run the cfwddx tag again on the x.cfm page to
extract the structure.  But when you so this, everything is exact.

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without a CFSET for each variable?
I need to output all the session variables to a database using cfinsert and
I believe they have to be converted to FORM.scope before you can do this ...
or is that wrong?

eg: 

Joshua Miller
Web Development
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RE: CFSTOREDPROC and caching

[Dave Watts]

> As far as I can tell, there are no caching attributes for 
> CFSTOREDPROC the way there are for CFQUERY. Has anyone 
> developed a generic tag to implement this? It should 
> theoretically be possible to mimic CFSTOREDPROC and keep
> all the relevant stuff in server variables, but I don't 
> think it's trivial, and I don't want to do it if someone 
> else has.

It's an unfortunate omission that CFSTOREDPROC doesn't support the query
caching introduced in CF 4. However, if you're using a platform that
supports the ODBC call syntax for executing stored procedures through the
CFQUERY tag, you can call your stored procedure and have it cached:


{ call mysp(#mynumericparam#, '#mystringparam#') }


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RE: Which Platform is most scalable for CF 4.5?

[Dave Watts]

> I am running CF on NT but have the Linux demo ready to 
> install. So far, I have found that linux is considerably 
> faster than NT for functions such as news reading, web 
> browsing, word processing, oracle and mysql databases and
> apache web serving. In fact I run Linux on a P2 350 and my 
> NT machine is a P3 450 and Linux is faster!
> 
> How come CF is different? Is CF 5.5 for linux an early 
> development?

I haven't done any performance testing of CF on NT versus on other
platforms, but I wouldn't be surprised if CF is faster on NT. It was
originally written for NT, and the NT version is generally more mature. In
addition, as I recall, the NT version takes advantage of some
thread-handling API Microsoft introduced into NT specifically to improve IIS
performance. The threading model of CF on NT is significantly different from
on Solaris, I believe. I would expect the performance gap, if any, to narrow
over time.

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RE: Query assignment... copy or reference?

[Dave Watts]

> > As a heads-up, there's a function in CF 4.5.1 that will 
> > force anything to be passed by value, and will create a 
> > deep copy of nested objects. This function is Duplicate().
> 
> There's an annoying exception to this. If you try to 
> duplicate() an array of structures, you end up with pointers 
> to the structures.  
> Here's the code:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  a1[1].name = #a1[1].name#
>  a2[1].name = #a2[1].name#
> 
> 
> 

That's not good.

At first, when I read this, I immediately thought it must be a bug. On
reflection, I thought it might technically be acceptable, even if
unexpected, for this reason: If you create a structure, then later assign it
to an array element, the array never contains anything but the pointer, so
that when you duplicate the array, you copy everything it contains,
including the object pointer, to the new array. To test this theory, I wrote
a little code snippet that avoids the assignment:







a3[1].name = #a3[1].name#
a4[1].name = #a4[1].name#


I expected that this might output the original value in a4[1].name, and the
new value in a3[1].name.

It didn't work that way - just like in your code, it output the same value
for both.

So, my initial impulse may be correct. I'd argue that this is definitely a
bug. Of course, not too long ago, I assumed that all complex data objects -
queries, arrays and structures - were passed by reference. They're not,
which I find to be confusing and odd.

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RE: CFPOP and WAP!!!!!1

[Dave Watts]

> I am trying to make a WAP based email client using
> coldfusion.My problem is that i want the latest
> messages in my inbox of pop account to be displayed at
> the top. Though i think of doing it in a way but i feel
> it as adhoc n not a good way. What i intend to do is
> first retrieving all mail headers, rocording its
> count, then diaplaying these headers using CFLOOP (over
> query).. but this way i can get the latest mails n not
> the latest one on the top...(hope u r getting what i
> mean...(code is below).

You should be able to accomplish this by simply looping backwards instead of
forwards over the recordset. One thing that you'll have to watch out for is
limitations in the number and length of records you can display at a time.
For example, if your mailbox has too many messages, you won't be able to
display them all in one card. You'll need a next-n interface for that.
Here's an example next-n WAP interface, also for a mail client, which lists
contacts stored in a database:


SELECT  LastName,
FirstName,
EMail
FROMEmployee
WHERE   EMail IS NOT NULL
AND EMail <> ''
ORDER BYLastName









http://www.phone.com/dtd/wml11.dtd">







#LastName#, #FirstName#


More...


Back...







Also, when displaying the content of a message, you'll need to break it or
truncate it if it exceeds a certain length. I generally keep my decks from
exceeding 1200 characters.

> ONe more query i am having is  that
> "IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW JUST THE UNREAD MESSAGES IN UR
> POP MAIL?". Since the memory is very less for wap 
> based devices, it becomes necessarry to optimize the 
> code n speed.

I'm not exactly an expert on POP3, but I don't believe that the POP server
tracks what messages have been requested in full. Your mail client will need
to be responsible for that. 

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
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RE: Cookie Detector

[Scott, Andrew]

You can set Client and Cookie variables, however if the browser doesn't
support the cooki then the cookie will only be available on this page only.
And yes if you set a cookie prior to a cflocation then the cookie will not
be set when going to the new location.

regards

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You can set client (client or cookie) and session variables on the same page
that displays them.  But what you cannot do is a CFLOCATION on the same page
that sets a client variable.

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> From: Chapman, Katrina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:13 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Cookie Detector
> 
> 
> I thought that you couldn't test for a cookie on the same page 
> that sets it.
> Is this wrong?
> 
> Because this:
> 
> 
> 
> #IsDefined("cookie.test")#
> 
> Generates a Yes.
> 
> --K
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:49 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cookie Detector
> > 
> > 
> > Sure it can.  It just can't do it on the same page
> > that attempts to set the cookie.
> > 
> > best,  paul
> > 
> > At 12:42 PM 10/9/00 +0100, you wrote:
> > >But isdefined alone can't
> > >determine whether they have cookies enabled or not.
> > 
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Take this cf_community NOW! Re: Developer Directory Real Deal

[pan]

From: "Brian bouldernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> I think those who are not interested should be sparred the burden of reading
> all this 

Irony meter has broken from overload.

You have got your answer - I'll apologize in advance to all and to you,
Brain - but GO AWAY.

Sorry, everyone.
Off to dinner and a badly needed break.

pan


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OT - Allaire consulting?

[Ian Lurie]

Hi all,

Anyone have any thoughts on Allaire doing their own consulting now? I'm just
curious to see if I'm the only one who thinks maybe they're getting a bit
far afield (more specifically, into OUR field)...

Sorry if this is a bore,

Ian Lurie

Portent Interactive
http://www.portentinteractive.com
Process, Design, Content

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RE: Developer Directory?

[Chapman, Katrina]

We're not spamming the list.  You choose to receive these messages.

--K

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> I find it curious that those who are so sensitive about
> SPAM express it by SPAMMING this list with OT messages ;-)
> 
> best,  paul
> 
> At 05:36 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >However, if you send a reply email stating that any further 
> mail will be
> >assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is 
> acceptance of the contract,
> >it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> >This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, 
> and has, to my
> >knowledge, not been tested.
> >might be fun though
> >
> >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > > Actually you're both wrong.
> > >
> > > The bill reads
> > >
> > > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service 
> providers may publish a
> > > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or 
> deliver spam. They
> > > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up 
> to $25,000 per day
> > > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. 
> Attorneys' fees are
> > > also recoverable."
> > >
> > > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> > >
> > > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually 
> commercial E-mail
> > > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any 
> message that you send
> > > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as 
> you send it to
> > > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop 
> so that only one
> > > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> > >
> > > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> > >
> > > --K
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > > is that law
> > > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > > companies that have
> > > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > > are internet
> > > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > > outbound emails
> > > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > > to the partner
> > > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > > business we have
> > > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > > to focus on
> > > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up 
> with every type of
> > > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > > rise in worth.
> > > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid 
> conversation
> > > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? 
> I think that no
> > > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it 
> will be one of
> > > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > > recipient
> > > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > > >
> > > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > > >
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So you're building a business off of this list? 
> Great. Go ahead and
> > > > include
> > > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > > will charge
> > > > you
> > > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > > it's worst
> > > > > Most Recently.
> > > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came 
> from a email
> > > > marketing
> > > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > > doublequoted
> > > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > > own thing to
> > > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > > The lets say a
> > > > > flash developer need function There you go
> > > > >
> > > > > Later,
> > > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > > -brian
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >

Re: CF-Talk V1 #52

[Peter Theobald]

Looks good but it generates ASP code. That isn't much help on a Cold Fusion server 
(NOT IIS).

At 05:56 AM 10/11/00 -0700, Mark Idzik wrote:
>--=_97126901015141=_
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
>Hi David,
>
>You can also use ActiveCodeWizard which is basically a Database=
> Administrator
>that's web based. No recoding (or coding!) necessary, just copy the files=
> to your server and
>you can view the records, queries, reports, etc. You can get more info at:
>http://www.activecodewizard.com
>
>
>HTH
>
>Mark
>
>*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***
>
>On 10/11/2000 at 6:24 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi David, 
>You can certainly re-use the Access Queries, you can use the CFSTOREDPROC=
> Tag, to call them.  I'm not sure about the reports though. 
>Personally, I would create an Admin System with functions that let you=
> maintain the data in the Access tables.  These pages don't have to be very=
> flash.   And then the front end of the site can extract the data,=
> utilizing the existing queries. 
>HTH (a little!!) 
>Nick 
>  
>  
>David wrote: 
>Hi, 
>I have a customer who likes to web-enable his Access database. The database=
> 
>has over 50+ queries and 100+ reports. He doesnt want anything extra, just 
>web-enable it. Could anyone advise what is the best way to do it and 
>maintain it in Access? 
>Do I have to recode the queries in CF? And could I reuse the reports=
> already 
>designed in Access? or do I have to use a report generating software e.g. 
>Crystal Reports? Is there a software that integrates better with CF than 
>Crystal Reports? 
>Sorry, have done a little CF work but nothing like that above. 
>Thanks 
>David 
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> 
> 
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>On 10/11/2000 at 6:24 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Hi David, 
>>
>>You can certainly re-use the Access Queries, you can use the CFSTOREDPROC Tag, to 
>call them.  I'm not sure about the reports though. 
>>
>>Personally, I would create an Admin System with functions that let you maintain the 
>data in the Access tables.  These pages don't have to be very flash.   And then the 
>front end of the site can extract the data, utilizing the existing queries. 
>>
>>HTH (a little!!) 
>>
>>Nick 
>>  
>>  
>>
>>David wrote: 
>>>Hi, 
>>>
>>>I have a customer who likes to web-enable his Access database. The database 
>>>has over 50+ queries and 100+ reports. He doesnt want anything extra, just 
>>>web-enable it. Could anyone advise what is the best way to do it and 
>>>maintain it in Access? 
>>>
>>>Do I have to recode the queries in CF? And could I reuse the reports already 
>>>designed in Access? or do I have to use a report generating software e.g. 
>>>Crystal Reports? Is there a software that integrates better with CF than 
>>>Crystal Reports? 
>>>
>>>Sorry, have done a little CF work but nothing like that above. 
>>>
>>>Thanks 
>>>David 
>>>
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RE: Developer Directory?

[Chapman, Katrina]

The equipment has to be in CA.  For the full text of the bill check this
out.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/97-98/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1629_bill_19980
928_chaptered.html

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:46 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> Hm. So if I move HoF to California, every piece of spam sent 
> through it or
> to people on it would net me $50? Wy cool. I've been 
> battling those spam
> b*stards for a while now and would love to get some cash for 
> my effort. Any
> other states with this type of law? How about if the company 
> is registered
> in California but the server is in Georgia?
> 
> > Whoops. Too many 0's. The $50 goes to the electronic mail service
> provider,
> > which means whoever own the mail server. Which in this case 
> would mean
> > either my employer or myself, depending on the email address...
> >
> > At any rate, I think the point is that your service sounds 
> intrusive and
> > probably won't win you and points with the community. That 
> said, $25,000 a
> > day couldn't hurt. If we could report it as revenue...
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > 
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Developer Directory Real Deal

[Brian bouldernet]

I think those who are not interested should be sparred the burden of reading
all this so if necessary, and I think it is; I'll setup a egroups and we can
go from there. If it's urgent reply directly...

Hi guys here's the best way to put it on how DC is working now. I apologize
if any concepts and/or statements came off to be a
inappropriate.  Like I mentioned before the topic of discussion was not ,
"is this type of idea Spam" or not. For all good intents and ouroises the
purpose and goal was just to determine if as developers agree with the type
of BENEFITS provided at places like
http://www.shockwave.com/bin/shockwave/entry.jsp with a privacy policy of
http://www.shockwave.com/bin/shockwave/entry.jsp?page=/aboutus/privacy.html

They use:

Help us tailor the content, services, goods, and advertising that we provide
on shockwave.com (and related sites) to your current and future needs.
Alert you via e-mail to new features, special offers, updated information,
and new services.

Some other pushing Privacy areas ore Everyone.net, Topica and TShipley if
your intrested...

Rest assuured you would not receive any email or notification of any kind
relayed, created, or stored with any type of personal, transactional, or
demographic data included from our organization... The technology works like
this. So listen up this is what we did at DC. We alais all outbound email so
it bounces and returns to a alais address at the company. The batched back.
That way if you opted out of anything at say Shockwave you would then knoe
the vendor.. Allthough the sender and data is physically in Colorado and
Manhattan you up out of Level1 Database of Shockwave ain San Fran... I
apologize is I relayed the technology in a defferent light... Thus us on the
ASP service model and all data through multiple vendors is centralized


-Brian

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Re: Locked App Scope vs. Request Scope

[Peter Theobald]

That's what I was thinking too :-)
My app fills in a huge Application structure ONCE and from then on never writes it 
again.
Months later we added a page to the admin section to let the client edit some of the 
information in the database that Application structure is built from. Of course when 
we re-load the Application structure we have a small but real window where user's can 
read from the structure in mid-build and cause nasty results. We realized it before it 
caused any trouble.

I would expect that a read in that situation could get garbage data, but I don't 
understand why it (reportedly) can crash the server. Why not just cause an error? 
Wrong data or 'Variable undefined'?  

At 11:14 PM 10/10/00 -0700, paul smith wrote:
> From what I'm told, a Read Lock is not a big performance hit.
>I fact, if you're sure your app never writes to the structure,
>you can omit the Read Lock.
>
>best,  paul
>
>At 11:00 PM 10/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Which method is better?  For what regime does Duplicate beat CFLOCK?  I
>>imagine this would be a function of the structure's complexity and of the
>>number of CFLOCK calls.
>
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Re: Developer Directory?

[Jon Tillman]

a decent lawyer could probably draw up something that would stand up in
courtbut not mesorry

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Michael Dinowitz spake thusly:
> Interesting. I'm going to add that to my anti-spam engine. Got any sample
> legal text to work this or should I just run with it as is.
> 
> 
> > However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
> > assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
> contract,
> > it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> > This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
> > knowledge, not been tested.
> > might be fun though
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > > Actually you're both wrong.
> > >
> > > The bill reads
> > >
> > > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may
> publish a
> > > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam.
> They
> > > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per
> day
> > > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees
> are
> > > also recoverable."
> > >
> > > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> > >
> > > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial
> E-mail
> > > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
> send
> > > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only
> one
> > > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> > >
> > > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> > >
> > > --K
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > > is that law
> > > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > > companies that have
> > > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > > are internet
> > > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > > outbound emails
> > > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > > to the partner
> > > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > > business we have
> > > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > > to focus on
> > > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > > rise in worth.
> > > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > > recipient
> > > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > > >
> > > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > > >
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > > include
> > > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > > will charge
> > > > you
> > > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > > it's worst
> > > > > Most Recently.
> > > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > > marketing
> > > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > > doublequoted
> > > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > > own thing to
> > > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > > The lets say a
> > > > > flash developer need function There you go
> > > > >
> > > > > Later,
> > > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > > -brian
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I t

Developer Directory thread -> cf-community

[Braver, Ben:]

Hi all,

Could this thread please be moved to cf-community?  It's not cf-technical...
Thanks.

Ben Braver
Information Technology
Ultramar Incorporated
Avon Refinery
150 Solano Way
Martinez, CA  94553-1487
(925) 370-3673 voice
(925) 370-3393 fax
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Re: Help with Anchor Tag

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ooopp!!!

Hold that thought... you could actually try REMOVING the & before the #1510 first!!   
:^)

Nick



Robert Forsyth wrote:

> I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks on a particular news story
>
> when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all feedback and set the 
>page position from the calling link on the parent's page.  Of course, it does not 
>work... here's the snippet from the calling page:
>
> 
> href="javascript:pop_window('feedback.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#trim(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#
> 
>
> which results in a url that is:
>
> 
>
> '1510' is the record messageid
>
> on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story and add a name> anchor in the output:
>
> 
>
> But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor location.  Viewing 
>the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible to have a anchor-jump 
>inside a dynamic url??
>
> thanks for the help!
>
> Robert Forsyth
> Director of Web Operations
> Irides, LLC
> Phone: 202-364-7831
>   Fax: 202-364-2481
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ooopp!!!
Hold that thought... you could actually try REMOVING the & before
the #1510 first!!   :^)
Nick
 
 
Robert Forsyth wrote:
I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks
on a particular news story
when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all feedback
and set the page position from the calling link on the parent's page. 
Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet from the calling page:

#trim(summary)#


which results in a url that is:

'1510' is the record messageid
on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story
and add a  anchor in the output:

But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor location. 
Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible
to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
thanks for the help!
Robert Forsyth
Director of Web Operations
Irides, LLC
Phone: 202-364-7831
  Fax: 202-364-2481
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Re: Help with Anchor Tag

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Hi Robert,

Try putting the #1510 after the page name, and then put the query string after that.. 
for example,

feedback.cfm#1510?a=2&i=2555&h=etc etc

I'm not sure if this will work or not... I can't remember the exact syntax, but you 
can definately have anchors on dynamic URL's!

Nick




Robert Forsyth wrote:

> I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks on a particular news story
>
> when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all feedback and set the 
>page position from the calling link on the parent's page.  Of course, it does not 
>work... here's the snippet from the calling page:
>
> 
> href="javascript:pop_window('feedback.cfm?a=2&i=#news.idnum#&h=#trim(news.headline)#&##035;#messageid#')">#trim(summary)#
> 
>
> which results in a url that is:
>
> 
>
> '1510' is the record messageid
>
> on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story and add a name> anchor in the output:
>
> 
>
> But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor location.  Viewing 
>the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible to have a anchor-jump 
>inside a dynamic url??
>
> thanks for the help!
>
> Robert Forsyth
> Director of Web Operations
> Irides, LLC
> Phone: 202-364-7831
>   Fax: 202-364-2481
>
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Hi Robert,
Try putting the #1510 after the page name, and then put the query string
after that.. for example,
feedback.cfm#1510?a=2&i=2555&h=etc etc
I'm not sure if this will work or not... I can't remember the exact
syntax, but you can definately have anchors on dynamic URL's!
Nick
 
 
 
Robert Forsyth wrote:
I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks
on a particular news story
when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all feedback
and set the page position from the calling link on the parent's page. 
Of course, it does not work... here's the snippet from the calling page:

#trim(summary)#


which results in a url that is:

'1510' is the record messageid
on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story
and add a  anchor in the output:

But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor location. 
Viewing the source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible
to have a anchor-jump inside a dynamic url??
thanks for the help!
Robert Forsyth
Director of Web Operations
Irides, LLC
Phone: 202-364-7831
  Fax: 202-364-2481
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Re: Developer Directory?

[pan]

From: "Brian bouldernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company is that law
> applicable. ... 

STOP!  Get your facts correct.

> We get our names from Internet related companies that have
> strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who are internet
> development related and want other information... 

STOP! that will not mean naything to the MAPS people.

> FYI all outbound emails
> have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML to the partner
> who gave it to us... 

STOP! this makes for a slam-dunk RBL nomination.

> That way 2 birds with one stone... The business we have
> built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want to focus on
> their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience rise in worth.
> The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a recipient
> who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> 

STOP!

I suggested earlier sources of good information in re emailing 
practices. You ought to heed that advice.


Also, please trim your reply quotes - I just trimmed off x+too many
line for this reply.

Pan 



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(OT) RE: Developer Directory?

[Ed Toon]

Might make for an interesting business. ;) A company that'll host your email
and aggressively sue spammers, sharing revenues with customers... of course
you'd have to have a pretty good legal department for it to function
properly, so the startup costs are a bit high.

And if that "reading fee" thing works, well... who needs to be in Cali!

Ed

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Re: Developer Directory?

[Jim McAtee]

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Developer Directory?


> Hm. So if I move HoF to California, every piece of spam sent through it or
> to people on it would net me $50? Wy cool. I've been battling those
spam
> b*stards for a while now and would love to get some cash for my effort.
Any
> other states with this type of law? How about if the company is registered
> in California but the server is in Georgia?


I get about one message per week, including one this morning, that was
obviously mass-mailed to members of this list.  So, it certainly wouldn't be
the first time the list was used for such purposes.  Of course, not too many
of those folks post to list first ASKING if anyone would mind being spammed.
:)

Jim

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Re: Developer Directory?

[Gregory Harris]

Ok, to clarify this to Brian let's break down "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (aka Spam)

Unsolicited:  I never asked for any emails from you, I've judiciously turned off the 
"do not wish to receive partner emails" on EVERY site I've visited, I don't see any 
implied consent anywhere, so in short, your email is unsolicited

Commercial: You are not a friend of mine, or a work related contact email emailing me, 
you are not anyone that I know, or any email list I've opted into, you are promoting a 
business, and therefore you are commercial

Email: Well duh

Therefore, I'd consider it Spam, and you'd better take me off the list, especially 
granted that this is my work email and there I look on Spam very nastily (having gone 
so far as to place phone calls with higher ups on particularly annoying spammers).  
Plus this is the City of LA as my ISP, you really want a bill from them? So Spam at 
your Peril.  In short, find another way

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 2:47 PM >>>
Interesting. I'm going to add that to my anti-spam engine. Got any sample
legal text to work this or should I just run with it as is.


> However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
> assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
contract,
> it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
> knowledge, not been tested.
> might be fun though
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > Actually you're both wrong.
> >
> > The bill reads
> >
> > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may
publish a
> > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam.
They
> > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per
day
> > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees
are
> > also recoverable."
> >
> > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> >
> > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial
E-mail
> > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
send
> > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only
one
> > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> >
> > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> >
> > --K
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > is that law
> > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > companies that have
> > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > are internet
> > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > outbound emails
> > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > to the partner
> > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > business we have
> > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > to focus on
> > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > rise in worth.
> > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > recipient
> > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > >
> > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/ 
> > >
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > include
> > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > will charge
> > > you
> > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > it's worst
> > > > Most Recently.
> > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > marketing
> > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > >
> > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL 

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RE: Developer Directory?

[paul smith]

I find it curious that those who are so sensitive about
SPAM express it by SPAMMING this list with OT messages ;-)

best,  paul

At 05:36 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote:
>However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
>assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the contract,
>it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
>This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
>knowledge, not been tested.
>might be fun though
>
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > Actually you're both wrong.
> >
> > The bill reads
> >
> > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish a
> > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
> > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
> > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
> > also recoverable."
> >
> > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> >
> > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
> > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you send
> > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
> > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> >
> > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> >
> > --K
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > is that law
> > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > companies that have
> > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > are internet
> > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > outbound emails
> > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > to the partner
> > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > business we have
> > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > to focus on
> > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > rise in worth.
> > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > recipient
> > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > >
> > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > >
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > include
> > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > will charge
> > > you
> > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > it's worst
> > > > Most Recently.
> > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > marketing
> > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > >
> > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > doublequoted
> > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > >
> > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > own thing to
> > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > The lets say a
> > > > flash developer need function There you go
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > > at FA but it
> > > > isn't
> > > > > up yet.
> > > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > > the best as many
> > > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > > didn't want to be
> > > part
> > > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > > people to come
> > > > visit
> 

Re: "Reset" application.log file regularly?

[pan]

From: "Chris Norloff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'd like to save the application.log file regularly, then delete the file
> from the log directory - this is to keep the log for future reference 
>but not have a single monster-sized file.
> 
> Ideas?
> 

You want to complete your operation with the least chance of losing
any new log entries --- so,



cfset fileTime=TimeFormat(tmp,"HH_mm_ss")>

 




 





The rename means application.log is wiped and will be recreated
 on the next log write. The extra "_" in fileNamePreFix means you
 have a nice list to parse with a delimiter of "_", if you need to 
collect, search, etc. any files in /archive/ by DatePart() The "_"
is least likely to cause hairballs in re filenaming.

Code is not checked for missspletings, and not guaranteed as
VulcanLogicProof as written. (I.E., never run code as received
from outside sources until you have proofed it on a development
machine.)

Pan

p.s.

There is a small chance the rename will occur at the exact same
quantum moment as a log write - see list entries, en passant, for
discussion on applying Poisson Probability Formulas.
 
I say 'quantum' as hardware lives by a digitized time frame
comprised of a sequence of clocked timeslices. Those discussing
simultaneous hit probs will eventually grind down to the
realization that the interstitial defined by the rising or
falling edges of their internal clock signal creates infintesimal
zones of no-time, thus making it necessary to slightly refine
their calculations. They'll end up with second order Planckian
wave probability functions - which are not fun to turn into
real  and meaningful numbers. I could be totally wrong about
this.

I wonder if anyone reads this parenthetical post scriptum stuff?




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RE: Developer Directory?

[Larry Juncker]

I guess while you asked and everyone is responding, Go ahead and remove my
name from your directory as well, (If it is in there).  I prefer also to
pick and choose who or what I associate with.

Thank You in Advance

Larry Juncker
Senior Cold Fusion Programmer
Heartland Communications Group, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Jon Tillman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Developer Directory?


However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
contract,
it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
knowledge, not been tested.
might be fun though

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> Actually you're both wrong.
>
> The bill reads
>
> "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish
a
> notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
> may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
> in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
> also recoverable."
>
> That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
>
> Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
> sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
send
> me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
> address goes out at a time is still spam.
>
> If I'm on the list remove me please.
>
> --K
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > is that law
> > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > companies that have
> > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > are internet
> > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > outbound emails
> > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > to the partner
> > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > business we have
> > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > to focus on
> > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > rise in worth.
> > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > recipient
> > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> >
> > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> >
> > -brian
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > include
> > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > will charge
> > you
> > > $500 per email. :P
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > it's worst
> > > Most Recently.
> > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > >
> > >
> > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > marketing
> > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > >
> > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > doublequoted
> > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > >
> > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > own thing to
> > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > The lets say a
> > > flash developer need function There you go
> > >
> > > Later,
> > > Talk to you later...
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > at FA but it
> > > isn't
> > > > up yet.
> > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > the best as many
> > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > didn't want to be
> > part
> > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and sayi

Re: Developer Directory?

[Michael Dinowitz]

Interesting. I'm going to add that to my anti-spam engine. Got any sample
legal text to work this or should I just run with it as is.


> However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
> assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the
contract,
> it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
> This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
> knowledge, not been tested.
> might be fun though
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> > Actually you're both wrong.
> >
> > The bill reads
> >
> > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may
publish a
> > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam.
They
> > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per
day
> > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees
are
> > also recoverable."
> >
> > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> >
> > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial
E-mail
> > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
send
> > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only
one
> > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> >
> > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> >
> > --K
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > is that law
> > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > companies that have
> > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > are internet
> > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > outbound emails
> > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > to the partner
> > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > business we have
> > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > to focus on
> > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > rise in worth.
> > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > recipient
> > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > >
> > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > >
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > > include
> > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > will charge
> > > you
> > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > it's worst
> > > > Most Recently.
> > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > > marketing
> > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > >
> > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > doublequoted
> > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > >
> > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > own thing to
> > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > The lets say a
> > > > flash developer need function There you go
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > > at FA but it
> > > > isn't
> > > > > up yet.
> > > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > > the best as many
> > > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > > didn't want to be
> > > part
> > > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > > people to come
> > > > visit
> > > > > is one thing, but

Help with Anchor Tag

[Robert Forsyth]

I have a query that spits out the last 10 feedbacks on a particular news story

when they click on the summary, I open a new window to show all feedback and set the 
page position from the calling link on the parent's page.  Of course, it does not 
work... here's the snippet from the calling page:


#trim(summary)#


which results in a url that is:



'1510' is the record messageid

on the feedback.cfm page... I query all the the feedback for this story and add a  anchor in the output:




But when the feedback.cfm loads, it does not jump to the anchor location.  Viewing the 
source shows that everything looks ok.  Is it possible to have a anchor-jump inside a 
dynamic url??

thanks for the help!

Robert Forsyth
Director of Web Operations
Irides, LLC
Phone: 202-364-7831
  Fax: 202-364-2481

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Re: Developer Directory?

[Michael Dinowitz]

Hm. So if I move HoF to California, every piece of spam sent through it or
to people on it would net me $50? Wy cool. I've been battling those spam
b*stards for a while now and would love to get some cash for my effort. Any
other states with this type of law? How about if the company is registered
in California but the server is in Georgia?

> Whoops. Too many 0's. The $50 goes to the electronic mail service
provider,
> which means whoever own the mail server. Which in this case would mean
> either my employer or myself, depending on the email address...
>
> At any rate, I think the point is that your service sounds intrusive and
> probably won't win you and points with the community. That said, $25,000 a
> day couldn't hurt. If we could report it as revenue...
>
> Ed
>
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Re: "Reset" application.log file regularly?

[Jim McAtee]

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Norloff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:29 PM
Subject: "Reset" application.log file regularly?


> I'd like to save the application.log file regularly, then delete the file
from the log directory - this is to keep the log for future reference but
not have a single monster-sized file.
>
> Ideas?


Use WinZip and the WinZip 'command line support add-on' to periodically
compress and move the file into an archived .zip file.  Schedule it to run
from a batch file.

Jim



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RE: Developer Directory?

[Jon Tillman]

However, if you send a reply email stating that any further mail will be
assessed a "reading fee" and that further email is acceptance of the contract,
it should hold up anywhere in the Us under contract law.
This is based on a rudimentary knowledge of contract law, and has, to my
knowledge, not been tested.
might be fun though

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Chapman, Katrina spake thusly:
> Actually you're both wrong.
> 
> The bill reads 
> 
> "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish a
> notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
> may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
> in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
> also recoverable."
> 
> That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> 
> Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
> sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you send
> me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
> address goes out at a time is still spam.
> 
> If I'm on the list remove me please.
> 
> --K
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > 
> > 
> > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company 
> > is that law
> > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related 
> > companies that have
> > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who 
> > are internet
> > development related and want other information... FYI all 
> > outbound emails
> > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML 
> > to the partner
> > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The 
> > business we have
> > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want 
> > to focus on
> > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience 
> > rise in worth.
> > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a 
> > recipient
> > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > 
> > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > 
> > -brian
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > 
> > 
> > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > include
> > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and 
> > will charge
> > you
> > > $500 per email. :P
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at 
> > it's worst
> > > Most Recently.
> > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > >
> > >
> > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > marketing
> > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > >
> > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > doublequoted
> > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > >
> > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there 
> > own thing to
> > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. 
> > The lets say a
> > > flash developer need function There you go
> > >
> > > Later,
> > > Talk to you later...
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta 
> > at FA but it
> > > isn't
> > > > up yet.
> > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not 
> > the best as many
> > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they 
> > didn't want to be
> > part
> > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for 
> > people to come
> > > visit
> > > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then 
> > emailing them
> > > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did 
> > something very
> > > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from 
> > talk graoups,
> > > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major 
> > issues em

Re: Developer Directory?

[Jon Tillman]

As far as me personally, if I didnt ask your company specifically to send me
email, i consider it spam and report it to upstream providers. 

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Brian bouldernet spake thusly:
> Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company is that law
> applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related companies that have
> strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who are internet
> development related and want other information... FYI all outbound emails
> have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML to the partner
> who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The business we have
> built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want to focus on
> their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience rise in worth.
> The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a recipient
> who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> 
> http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> 
> -brian
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> include
> > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and will charge
> you
> > $500 per email. :P
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at it's worst
> > Most Recently.
> > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> >
> >
> > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> marketing
> > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> >
> > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> doublequoted
> > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> >
> > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there own thing to
> > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. The lets say a
> > flash developer need function There you go
> >
> > Later,
> > Talk to you later...
> > -brian
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta at FA but it
> > isn't
> > > up yet.
> > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not the best as many
> > > feel like they're being dragged into something they didn't want to be
> part
> > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for people to come
> > visit
> > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then emailing them
> > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did something very
> > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing
> > > everyone
> > > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that
> > > rates
> > > > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> > > > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any existing directories?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > >
> >
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RE: Developer Directory?

[Ed Toon]

Whoops. Too many 0's. The $50 goes to the electronic mail service provider,
which means whoever own the mail server. Which in this case would mean
either my employer or myself, depending on the email address...

At any rate, I think the point is that your service sounds intrusive and
probably won't win you and points with the community. That said, $25,000 a
day couldn't hurt. If we could report it as revenue...

Ed

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RE: Developer Directory?

[Chapman, Katrina]

And I have just stated that I don't wish to receive them from your company.
I will ask you again to please remove my name from your list.  Since it's
obviously on it.  Be forwarned if I receive any messages, of a marketing
nature, from you in the future I'll make sure that my ISP gets his money.  

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

--K

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> Customization As in Dear Katrina,
> Dice.com is a partner of ours and they have stated that you 
> wish to receive
> these types of mailings.
> 
> Talk about a 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Chapman, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> > Actually you're both wrong.
> >
> > The bill reads
> >
> > "Under the bill, California electronic mail service 
> providers may publish
> a
> > notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or 
> deliver spam. They
> > may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to 
> $25,000 per day
> > in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. 
> Attorneys' fees are
> > also recoverable."
> >
> > That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
> >
> > Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually 
> commercial E-mail
> > sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any 
> message that you
> send
> > me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you 
> send it to
> > several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so 
> that only one
> > address goes out at a time is still spam.
> >
> > If I'm on the list remove me please.
> >
> > --K
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > > is that law
> > > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > > companies that have
> > > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > > are internet
> > > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > > outbound emails
> > > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > > to the partner
> > > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > > business we have
> > > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > > to focus on
> > > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with 
> every type of
> > > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > > rise in worth.
> > > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I 
> think that no
> > > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it 
> will be one of
> > > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > > recipient
> > > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> > >
> > > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> > >
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. 
> Go ahead and
> > > include
> > > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > > will charge
> > > you
> > > > $500 per email. :P
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > > it's worst
> > > > Most Recently.
> > > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came 
> from a email
> > > marketing
> > > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > > >
> > > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > > doublequoted
> > > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > > >
> > > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > > own thing to
> > > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > > The lets say a
> > > > flash developer need function There you go
> > > >
> > > > Later,
> > > > Talk to you later...
> > > > -brian
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think ther

RE: CF 5.0???

[Owens, Howard]

I think the subscription is mighty expensive and if you're on a budget, it
may not be worth it.

When my company bought me 4.0 last year, a few months later when 4.5 came
out, I got a free upgrade.  If it's close enough to the release date for
5.0, you'll probably get a free upgrade.

H.

=
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Web Producer
InsideVC.com
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Re: Developer Directory?

[Eric Hoffman]

You know what Brian, your attitude does nothing to help your case.  I think its clear 
despite any interpretations of the law that most of us don't appreciate your types of 
communications.

I hope noone here focuses exclusively on one technology as your company purports 
people should...you do that, and you're COBOL.  Keep an eye out and some extras in 
your portfolio.

Eric
Meagher & Geer, PLLP

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 03:57PM >>>
Customization As in Dear Katrina,
Dice.com is a partner of ours and they have stated that you wish to receive
these types of mailings.

Talk about a 

- Original Message -
From: Chapman, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Developer Directory?


> Actually you're both wrong.
>
> The bill reads
>
> "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish
a
> notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
> may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
> in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
> also recoverable."
>
> That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
>
> Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
> sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
send
> me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
> address goes out at a time is still spam.
>
> If I'm on the list remove me please.
>
> --K
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > is that law
> > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > companies that have
> > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > are internet
> > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > outbound emails
> > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > to the partner
> > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > business we have
> > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > to focus on
> > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > rise in worth.
> > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > recipient
> > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> >
> > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/ 
> >
> > -brian
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > include
> > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > will charge
> > you
> > > $500 per email. :P
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > it's worst
> > > Most Recently.
> > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > >
> > >
> > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > marketing
> > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > >
> > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > doublequoted
> > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > >
> > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > own thing to
> > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > The lets say a
> > > flash developer need function There you go
> > >
> > > Later,
> > > Talk to you later...
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > at FA but it
> > > isn't
> > > > up yet.
> > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > the best as many
> > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > didn't want to be
> > part
> > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > people to come
> > > visit
> > > > is one 

RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?

[Christopher Cortes]

Howard,

Glad I could help. I thought that the problem sounded familiar. If you
absolutley must wrap some case statements in conditional logic and others
outside try this.


...cfcases




...more cfcases






...dummy cfcase, I think you must have atleast one cfcase



Good Luck

Chris Cortes
Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Direct 713-985-6244
Cell 832-723-6485

Stonebridge Technologies
...The Fast Track to e-Business.
visit us at www.sbti.com


-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?



Chris,

While I was home at lunch, I was looking over my code and
remembered/realized I do have a  within the case ... it determines,
based on a hidden field passed from the form page, which query to run (an
insert or an update).  It struck me that this might be a promising place to
experiment to see if this is the the problem.  I'll play around with it
tonight, see if I can find a work around ... the variable is getting passed
(and obviously, the conditional works with other browsers), but maybe for
some reason it's not triggering when it comes from Mac.

H.

=
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Web Producer
InsideVC.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Cortes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:47 AM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?
>
> Howard,
>
> I have had this problem before, when trying to wrap case statements with
> conditionals. Are you doing this at all?
>
> Chris Cortes
> Consultant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Direct 713-985-6244
> Cell 832-723-6485
>
>

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Re: Developer Directory?

[Brian bouldernet]

Customization As in Dear Katrina,
Dice.com is a partner of ours and they have stated that you wish to receive
these types of mailings.

Talk about a 

- Original Message -
From: Chapman, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Developer Directory?


> Actually you're both wrong.
>
> The bill reads
>
> "Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish
a
> notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
> may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
> in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
> also recoverable."
>
> That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.
>
> Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
> sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you
send
> me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
> several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
> address goes out at a time is still spam.
>
> If I'm on the list remove me please.
>
> --K
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company
> > is that law
> > applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related
> > companies that have
> > strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who
> > are internet
> > development related and want other information... FYI all
> > outbound emails
> > have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML
> > to the partner
> > who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The
> > business we have
> > built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want
> > to focus on
> > their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> > technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience
> > rise in worth.
> > The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> > concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> > matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> > solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a
> > recipient
> > who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> >
> > http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> >
> > -brian
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> > include
> > > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and
> > will charge
> > you
> > > $500 per email. :P
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at
> > it's worst
> > > Most Recently.
> > > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> > >
> > >
> > > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> > marketing
> > > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> > >
> > > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> > doublequoted
> > > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> > >
> > > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there
> > own thing to
> > > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever.
> > The lets say a
> > > flash developer need function There you go
> > >
> > > Later,
> > > Talk to you later...
> > > -brian
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta
> > at FA but it
> > > isn't
> > > > up yet.
> > > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not
> > the best as many
> > > > feel like they're being dragged into something they
> > didn't want to be
> > part
> > > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for
> > people to come
> > > visit
> > > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then
> > emailing them
> > > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did
> > something very
> > > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from
> > talk graoups,
> > > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major
> > issues emailing
> > > > everyone
> > > > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup

Re: working with evaluate()

[pan]

From: "seth ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>  
> But if I try to actually reduce the ordervalue by this amount,
> I hit problems
> 
> 
>  
> This returns astronomical figures, sometimes even negative amounts.
>  

You must be doing something besides what you describe.
I set up a test Access mdb as you describe and ran the
following script with appended results:


 select formula
 from formulas
 where 0=0;


formula: discount=#q1.formula[1]#



ordertotal: #ordertotal#

discount: #discount#

ordertotal=ordertotal - discount: #ordertotal#

results
---
formula: discount=(numberformat((ordertotal - 1000)* 0.1))
ordertotal: 2355.32
discount: 136
ordertotal=ordertotal - discount: 2219.32


What else are you doing?

Pan


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RE: Developer Directory?

[Chapman, Katrina]

Actually you're both wrong.

The bill reads 

"Under the bill, California electronic mail service providers may publish a
notice forbidding the use of their equipment to send or deliver spam. They
may sue anyone who violates this for $50 per message up to $25,000 per day
in which the spamming takes place, or actual damages. Attorneys' fees are
also recoverable."

That means that you're ISP get's the money not the end user.

Also, according to m-w.com spam is "unsolicited usually commercial E-mail
sent to a large number of addresses".  That means any message that you send
me that i didn't explicitly ask for is spam as long as you send it to
several differen't people at once.  And, yes, doing loop so that only one
address goes out at a time is still spam.

If I'm on the list remove me please.

--K

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company 
> is that law
> applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related 
> companies that have
> strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who 
> are internet
> development related and want other information... FYI all 
> outbound emails
> have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML 
> to the partner
> who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The 
> business we have
> built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want 
> to focus on
> their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
> technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience 
> rise in worth.
> The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
> concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
> matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
> solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a 
> recipient
> who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.
> 
> http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/
> 
> -brian
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Developer Directory?
> 
> 
> > So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
> include
> > me, but be aware that according to California law I can and 
> will charge
> you
> > $500 per email. :P
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at 
> it's worst
> > Most Recently.
> > Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
> >
> >
> > We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
> marketing
> > company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
> >
> > We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
> doublequoted
> > links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
> >
> > Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there 
> own thing to
> > focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. 
> The lets say a
> > flash developer need function There you go
> >
> > Later,
> > Talk to you later...
> > -brian
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
> >
> >
> > > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta 
> at FA but it
> > isn't
> > > up yet.
> > > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not 
> the best as many
> > > feel like they're being dragged into something they 
> didn't want to be
> part
> > > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for 
> people to come
> > visit
> > > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then 
> emailing them
> > > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did 
> something very
> > > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from 
> talk graoups,
> > > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major 
> issues emailing
> > > everyone
> > > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live 
> on a site that
> > > rates
> > > > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer 
> strengths like
> > > > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure 
> currently.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any existing directories?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > 
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> 
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RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?

[Kevin Langevin]

I need to enable software downloads on a client site, for customers who
purchase access to them.  I'm wondering if anyone has built functionality
into a shopping cart to allow this using "vanishing URL" methods?  I'm using
Mary Jo's CFWebStore (which rocks, by the way...) but that's one feature
that I need which isn't built in.


-Kev


> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> While I was home at lunch, I was looking over my code and
> remembered/realized I do have a  within the case ... it determines,
> based on a hidden field passed from the form page, which query to run (an
> insert or an update).  It struck me that this might be a
> promising place to
> experiment to see if this is the the problem.  I'll play around with it
> tonight, see if I can find a work around ... the variable is
> getting passed
> (and obviously, the conditional works with other browsers), but maybe for
> some reason it's not triggering when it comes from Mac.
>
> H.
>
> =
> Howard Owens
> Web Producer
> InsideVC.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> =
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Christopher Cortes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:47 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject:RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?
> >
> > Howard,
> >
> > I have had this problem before, when trying to wrap case statements with
> > conditionals. Are you doing this at all?
> >
> > Chris Cortes
> > Consultant
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Direct 713-985-6244
> > Cell 832-723-6485
> >
> >
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Re: Developer Directory?

[Brian bouldernet]

Only if you opted never to receive a mailing from our Company is that law
applicable. ... We get our names from Internet related companies that have
strict privacy policies that only give us names of those who are internet
development related and want other information... FYI all outbound emails
have a opt out completely link and we send that through XML to the partner
who gave it to us... That way 2 birds with one stone... The business we have
built is the prism of incorporation to individuals who want to focus on
their own technologies. Not learning and keeping up with every type of
technology. This conclusively makes each persons experience rise in worth.
The purpose of the Original posting was to open valid conversation
concerning opt in procedures... Is preferences enough? I think that no
matter what solution the FTC and the Senate decides, it will be one of
solidarity... But to be clear if it happened continually to a recipient
who's ISP resides in CA; the fee is only $50.

http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~zerkle/ab1629/

-brian

- Original Message -
From: Ed Toon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Developer Directory?


> So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and
include
> me, but be aware that according to California law I can and will charge
you
> $500 per email. :P
>
> Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
>
>
> All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at it's worst
> Most Recently.
> Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..
>
>
> We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email
marketing
> company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...
>
> We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses
doublequoted
> links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.
>
> Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there own thing to
> focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. The lets say a
> flash developer need function There you go
>
> Later,
> Talk to you later...
> -brian
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Developer Directory?
>
>
> > I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta at FA but it
> isn't
> > up yet.
> > Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not the best as many
> > feel like they're being dragged into something they didn't want to be
part
> > of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for people to come
> visit
> > is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then emailing them
> > directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did something very
> > similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
> >
> >
> > > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> > > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing
> > everyone
> > > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that
> > rates
> > > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> > > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
> > >
> > > Are there any existing directories?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brian
> > >
> >
>
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RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?

[Owens, Howard]

Chris,

While I was home at lunch, I was looking over my code and
remembered/realized I do have a  within the case ... it determines,
based on a hidden field passed from the form page, which query to run (an
insert or an update).  It struck me that this might be a promising place to
experiment to see if this is the the problem.  I'll play around with it
tonight, see if I can find a work around ... the variable is getting passed
(and obviously, the conditional works with other browsers), but maybe for
some reason it's not triggering when it comes from Mac.

H.

=
Howard Owens
Web Producer
InsideVC.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=

> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Cortes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:47 AM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?
> 
> Howard,
> 
> I have had this problem before, when trying to wrap case statements with
> conditionals. Are you doing this at all?
> 
> Chris Cortes
> Consultant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Direct 713-985-6244
> Cell 832-723-6485
> 
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CF Express limitation

[Ryan]

I was thinking about installing Cold Fusion Express on my linux
box at home to work with, but don't know if it would be worth
the trouble. Has anyone here used it and can tell me what, if
any, limitations you ran in to? I can't find anything on the site
about what it doesn't support, so tell me if there is anything
major thats missing that I will need. Thanks,

Ryan

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Re: CF 5.0???

[Jon Hall]

Brian you get my nomination for most humorous post of the day!

jon
- Original Message -
From: "Brian bouldernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: CF 5.0???


> Birthday Suits I hope.
>
>
>
> My serial is EVALUATION..
> - Original Message -
> From: Gregory Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: CF 5.0???
>
>
> I wouldn't be advertising that when there are allaire reps monitoring this
> list, suggest you either a) Take piracy discussions off list or b) wait
for
> a bunch of suits at your door
>
> Gregory Harris
> Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 12:47 PM >>>
> yeah it's heck expensive... I'll give the URL to download the eval...
You'll
> put in my code once you install.. Cool?
> - Original Message -
> From: HappyToad.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: CF 5.0???
>
>
> > Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
> > subscription?
> > Rich
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF 5.0???
> >
> >
> >
> > The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
> > buy the 2yr software subscription.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
> > Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
> > buy
> > Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
> > corner.
> >
> > Rich
> >


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RE: Developer Directory?

[Ed Toon]

So you're building a business off of this list? Great. Go ahead and include
me, but be aware that according to California law I can and will charge you
$500 per email. :P

Ed

-Original Message-
From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Developer Directory?


All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at it's worst
Most Recently.
Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..


We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email marketing
company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...

We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses doublequoted
links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.

Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there own thing to
focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. The lets say a
flash developer need function There you go

Later,
Talk to you later...
-brian

- Original Message -
From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Developer Directory?


> I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta at FA but it
isn't
> up yet.
> Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not the best as many
> feel like they're being dragged into something they didn't want to be part
> of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for people to come
visit
> is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then emailing them
> directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did something very
> similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
>
>
> > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing
> everyone
> > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that
> rates
> > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
> >
> > Are there any existing directories?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> >
>
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(Admin) GeckoMedia errors

[Michael Dinowitz]

For all those who have posted to the list in the last day or so and received
a strange error message, the reason is due to a misconfiguration on the
email server at GeckoMedia.com. We've alerted them to it but due to the
annoyance factor, we have also taken all GeckoMedia people off the list.
Once their server is back together they can get back on with no problem.
Basically, posters will not have problems again with this. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Michael Dinowitz
Publisher - The Fusion Authority (www.fusionauthority.com/alert)
ListManager - CF-Talk, CF-Jobs, Spectra-Talk, JRun-Talk, etc.
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"Reset" application.log file regularly?

[Chris Norloff]

I'd like to save the application.log file regularly, then delete the file from the log 
directory - this is to keep the log for future reference but not have a single 
monster-sized file.

Ideas?

thanks,
Chris Norloff


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Re: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion programming]

[WBB]

I wouldn't use 'randomize(GetTickCount())'

If your server happens to run too long without a reboot it will error
out...the Randomize will work until it acts on a GetTickCount  > than an
integer...once it's too large it will croak.

> this is actually what i'm doing
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> but I'll look into UUID, that sounds pretty cool
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion
> programming]
>
>
> I thought it was added in 4.0, but it might have been 4.0.1.  I think it
was
> added while Allaire was developing Spectra.  I guess is could be a 4.5
> thing, but I don't see it in the "new functions" page in my 4.5 docs.
Most
> RDBMS systems also have a comparable UUID type of functionality as well,
but
> using that will, tie you to the RDBMS platform to a certain extent.
>
> -Cameron
>
> 
> Cameron Childress
> ElliptIQ Inc.
> p.770.460.7277.232
> f.770.460.0963
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:43 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion
> > programming]
> >
> >
> > is CreateUUID() a 4.5 feature? I dont see any reference to it in 4.0
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:33 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion
> > programming]
> >
> >
> > I haven't really been watching CF-Talk that closely lately, so I may be
> > missing some info here, but...
> >
> > If you are in need of a random and unique ID, I would suggest using the
> > CreateUUID() function, not a timestamp.  It is unique across the
universe
> > and is only 35 characters long.  Also, if you actually store this
> > as a date
> > stamp in a database (which I'm not sure you are doing), I recall reading
> > that SQL 7 (and probably other RDBMS platforms as well) don't store date
> > stamps with millisecond precision, so the chances of dups would be much
> > higher.
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> > 
> > Cameron Childress
> > ElliptIQ Inc.
> > p.770.460.7277.232
> > f.770.460.0963
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:37 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion
> > > programming]
> > >
> > >
> > > okay, that sounds good
> > >
> > > so the chances of two people getting the same timestamp is the
> > same as the
> > > packers making it to the superbowl.
> > >
> > > pretty much impossible.
> > >
> > > i'll put that in my report (using timestamp (thanks to whomever
> > suggested
> > > that awhile back) to create a series of random 60 digit
> > numbers, and their
> > > can never be duplicates).
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Gavin
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion
> > > programming]
> > >
> > >
> > > 1.4884 x 10^19
> > >
> > > Gavin Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Lets say you have 1 page that scores 1,000,000 unique visitors a month
> > >
> > > here's what I came up with:
> > >
> > > 1,000,000/30/24/60/60/1000 = 0.000385
> > >
> > > So that means that 0.0003 people a milisecond hit the sight, correct?
> > > what is the % chance of 2 people hitting on the same milisecond
> > (and math
> > > equation for that?)
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Re: CF 5.0???

[Brian bouldernet]

Birthday Suits I hope.



My serial is EVALUATION..
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: CF 5.0???


I wouldn't be advertising that when there are allaire reps monitoring this
list, suggest you either a) Take piracy discussions off list or b) wait for
a bunch of suits at your door

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 12:47 PM >>>
yeah it's heck expensive... I'll give the URL to download the eval... You'll
put in my code once you install.. Cool?
- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: CF 5.0???


> Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
> subscription?
> Rich
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF 5.0???
>
>
>
> The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
> buy the 2yr software subscription.
>
> Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
> Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
> buy
> Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
> corner.
>
> Rich
>
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Re: CF 5.0???

[Gregory Harris]

I wouldn't be advertising that when there are allaire reps monitoring this list, 
suggest you either a) Take piracy discussions off list or b) wait for a bunch of suits 
at your door

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 12:47 PM >>>
yeah it's heck expensive... I'll give the URL to download the eval... You'll
put in my code once you install.. Cool?
- Original Message -
From: HappyToad.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: CF 5.0???


> Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
> subscription?
> Rich
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF 5.0???
>
>
>
> The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
> buy the 2yr software subscription.
>
> Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
> Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
> buy
> Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
> corner.
>
> Rich
>
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RE: CF 5.0???

[Kevin Miller]

No.  You can buy the subscriptions from an Allaire reseller.  We have
used RoundPeg in San Francisco with no problems.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 12:52PM >>>
Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
subscription?
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 5.0???



The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
buy the 2yr software subscription.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
buy
Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
corner.

Rich


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Re: Developer Directory?

[Brian bouldernet]

All great things are realized great until the "flack" is at it's worst
Most Recently.
Napster, NetAppliance, WAP, Cicso, NDS..


We'll see guys... I promise no spam... Our group came from a email marketing
company we sold out to double click. optinemail.com...

We inatied the AOL hell thread because of the way AOL reparses doublequoted
links in all email so they have exclusive linking in emails.

Our goal. To be directory for other developers doing there own thing to
focus on their expertise.. Cold Fusion, Spectra whatever. The lets say a
flash developer need function There you go

Later,
Talk to you later...
-brian

- Original Message -
From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Developer Directory?


> I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta at FA but it
isn't
> up yet.
> Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not the best as many
> feel like they're being dragged into something they didn't want to be part
> of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for people to come
visit
> is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then emailing them
> directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did something very
> similar and got a LOT of flack for it.
>
>
> > We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> > confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing
> everyone
> > to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that
> rates
> > each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> > Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
> >
> > Are there any existing directories?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> >
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Re: [project manager]

[double-down]

www.sourceoffsite.com source offsite is a client to source safe server that
you can use over the internet.
also CVS has multiple clients you can use.


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Has anyone ever heard of a "source safe" type of project manager that can
be used over the internet?


Nathan Nelson
Cold Fusion Developer
Konnections, Inc.
1-801-621-8511
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[Nathan Nelson]

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RE: Network Drives

[James Mathieson]

Peter,

If I'm reading you right, you may be running into the same issue I had
earlier this week (SQL db on one machine, drive mapped to my computer,
couldn't get datasource to map or PWS to alias non-local location).
Here's Chris Lott's advice, which fixed me up nicely:

"Can't you map the datasource using its IP address? I don't know of any
way
to map the SQL Server db the way you wish to, which sounds like you are
trying to treat it as a file based database like Access. Choose the SQL
Server driver, in the connection
box use a host of .xxx.xxx.xxx or the ip name, and then in the
advanced
properties set the db and username/password."


Hope this helps,

Cheers,
James~

-Original Message-
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Network Drives


I have a DB on another server here at work, that I cannot move to the
server
which has Cold Fusion on it.  The only options I have for linking
databases
are from the local drives, and maping network drives doesn't give me
other
options.  How can I link to a DB on a network server from my CF server?

Thanks,
Peter

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Re: Developer Directory?

[Michael Dinowitz]

I think there's one active already. I've got one in beta at FA but it isn't
up yet.
Personally, I feel that the approach your taking is not the best as many
feel like they're being dragged into something they didn't want to be part
of. Posting a request to a public place and saying for people to come visit
is one thing, but scanning their email addresses and then emailing them
directly to do so doesn't feel right. Someone else did something very
similar and got a LOT of flack for it.


> We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing
everyone
> to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that
rates
> each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
>
> Are there any existing directories?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
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RE: [slightly ot: math question, needed for cold fusion programming]

[Cameron Childress]

> I don't know about a true timestamp but MSSQL7 has numerous date/time
> functions that do return milliseconds. However, you're right when
> you state that a UUID would be better suited to uniqueness.

FYI, from the SQL 7 Books Online:

"Date and time data from January 1, 1753, to December 31, , to an
accuracy of one three-hundredth second, or 3.33 milliseconds. Values are
rounded to increments of .000, .003, or .007 milliseconds, as shown in the
table..."

Don't ask...

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
ElliptIQ Inc.
p.770.460.7277.232
f.770.460.0963

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Re: CF 5.0???

[Brian bouldernet]

yeah it's heck expensive... I'll give the URL to download the eval... You'll
put in my code once you install.. Cool?
- Original Message -
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To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: CF 5.0???


> Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
> subscription?
> Rich
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF 5.0???
>
>
>
> The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
> buy the 2yr software subscription.
>
> Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
> Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
> buy
> Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
> corner.
>
> Rich
>
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RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?

[Tim Bahlke]

There is a MIME bug with IE5 on a Mac that prevents  from 
working.

I'm kinda surprised you got it working at all.

Tim Bahlke


At Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:37:59 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>
>All other includes on this site work.
>
>The one difference, which I failed to mention until just my last post ..
>this is the only include that includes a  tag that uploads a pic.
>
>However, as I said previously, the  as well as all other code in the
>includes on this set of includes works when all of the code is dumped onto a
>single page.  Everything executes beautifully on the Mac with IE if all of
>the code is on a single .cfm page.
>
>H.
>
>
>=
>Howard Owens
>Web Producer
>InsideVC.com
>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:Gavin Myers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent:Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:35 AM
>> To:  CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: So, the Client isn't an issue to the CF Server?
>> 
>> will any cfinclude work?
>> 
>> 
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RE: Developer Directory?

[Joshua Miller]

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I'm willing ... can't speak for the rest of the group, but I'd be more than
happy to participate.

Joshua Miller
Web Development
Eagle Technologies Group, Inc.
Business Solutions for the Next Generation
www.eagletgi.com 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


-Original Message-
From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Developer Directory?


We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing everyone
to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that rates
each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.

Are there any existing directories?


Thanks,
Brian


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Re: Developer Directory?

[pan]

From: "Brian bouldernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:03
Subject: Developer Directory?


> We've created a directory of about 1200 developers from talk graoups,
> confrences, and what not, does anyone see any major issues emailing everyone
> to ask to modify a profile we have setup and make live on a site that rates
> each one based on customer satisifaction and developer strengths like
> Spectra, CF, Database skills. All on a opt in procedure currently.
> 

How did you develop the list?

If it was generated by listee initiative (i.e. those on the list
decided to join it without any action on your part other than to
host the list), then the appropriateness of subsequent emails would
be dependent on the terms agreed to when the individual joined.
You still need to provide an easy way for individuals to delete
their listings and to stop any further emails.

If you generated your list without any pariticpation by those
on the list (i.e. skimmed elists, newsgroups, webpages, handed
out forms at conventions, etc.) then it would be inappropriate
to "cold email" people about your service.

It's a problem to generate lists of people you want to email,
but spam is a major net.issue and you probably will lose
your accounts/connectivity/routing/etc. if you indulge.
Getting people to be aware of your service will be hard
enough without compounding your problems by doing
anything that smacks of spam.

I think a more appropriate forum is news.admin.net-abuse.email
or the MAPS people at www.mail-abuse.org  There *are* people
at both locatiosn who would be glad to help you solve your
primary problem (and will definitely solve any secondary
self-inflicted problems).

Pan



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RE: CF 5.0???

[HappyToad.com]

Do I have to buy the software directly from Allaire to get the 2 year
subscription?
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 5.0???



The next version is always around the corner.  Do yourself a favor and
buy the 2yr software subscription.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/00 11:59AM >>>
Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to
buy
Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the
corner.

Rich


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RE: CF 5.0???

[HappyToad.com]

Thats funny because the Allaire rep told me early November.
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Doug Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: RE: CF 5.0???


I just spoke to the head of sales at FigLeaf software(partners of Allaire)
yesterday and asked him the same question, Allaire has not told him when the
release date is, so therefore probably not for a while. Still in testing.
I would buy 4.5.1 if you want to get started. Originally it was supposed to
come out at the end of this year don't think it's gonna happen.



-Original Message-
From: HappyToad.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF 5.0???


Does anyone know when CF 5 Studio nay be coming out??  I am ready to buy
Studio now but am hesitant to buy 4.5 if 5.0 is right around the corner.

Rich


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