Re: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread nagraj

Hi Jim,

Yes.Go to Enterprise Manager

Select the database--Right Click
--All Tasks
--Backup

Select Database - Complete.

Add Destination ( where the back up file to be taken)

Click Ok.

The Backup is created on file selected for backup


In Options Tab See that the Following are checked.

Verify Backup Upon Completion.(It will ensure after backup is completed
successfully).

Regards
Nagaraj.

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Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:24 AM
Subject: OT SQL SERVER Backup


 Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and restore them
on
 a separate Machine?

 - j


 
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Re: CFRETHROW on 'NIX

2002-06-15 Thread Dick Applebaum

Yes (Linux --- OS X)

On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 08:32  PM, Stacy Young wrote:

 I don't have access to my nix environment at the moment, can cfrethrow 
 be
 used on MX running on 'nix ?

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Re: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread Matthew Walker

Isaac, we implement every site we do using a CMS of our own design. It's
better for the clients, but it's also easier and faster for us! I think
there's definitely a market for it, but often you have to create it as you
go by explaining the benefits etc. We are just starting to license it to
other developers but finding quite substantial support issues with that. Our
CMS is targetted at smaller businesses but we are planning to split it into
an easy to use small business version and a sophisticated enterprise version
later this year.

I think a lot of developers can see the potential, but few have the time or
skills to build their own. So, yeah I think they've got a good future.

- Original Message -
From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Content Management


 Hello all,

 I'm new to the cf-talk list although I've been working with ColdFusion for
5
 years. I got started on a mission critical intranet app at MCI /
Worldcom
 where I worked for about 6 months before they finalized the merger and the
 job evaporated. That was CF 3.0 just before Allaire's second wind. :)

 I'm curious to know what members of the list think about the subject of
 content management or CMS.

 Do your clients often ask for tools to allow their not-so-technical staff
to
 update their own websites? and if so, how do you address the issue? Do you
 build something for them in-house, figure out what their requirements are
 and offer them a list of existing solutions or just tell them their best
bet
 is to hire more web staff? ...

 Do you have a preferred package and if so which and why?

 How many of you still have active client sites on Spectra?

 Admittedly I have an ulterior motive. :) Over the past 3 years I developed
a
 content management system myself which you can see at
 http://products.turnkey.to and I'm now trying to make a serious effort at
 marketing, so any feedback is greatly appreciated.

 Isaac Dealey

 new epoch
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Re: OT IIS BACKUP

2002-06-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Dave Watts wrote:
 
 Have you ever done that successfully? I've never tried, but I've read
 warnings against doing it that way (perhaps because of SIDs or something
 like that). If you've done that, and it worked, I'd be interested, since it
 should be easier and quicker than using the Metabase Editor.

SID's are the same acros a domain. So even if it works for someone who 
has to IIS servers in a domain, it doesn't necessarily have to work for 
you if you are not in a domain.

BTW, I don't backup IIS. All virtual directories etc. are created from a 
database by a script. I backup the script and the database :)

Jochem

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Re: Figleaf on TechTv

2002-06-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Jon Hall wrote:
 Everyone's favorite CF shop got mentioned by the lovely Megan (m)
 on TechTV today! How groovy, and congrats to the Figleaf guys.
 They rerun the show at 10pm if anyone wants to catch it.
 
 http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/downloadoftheday/story/0,24330,3384033,00.html

Do they broadcast over the net? What time is that in UTC?

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 I guess what I was suggesting was that MX *be* the form.
 Then u can extend your editing capabilities to wireless so
 management folks can update their site from their
 blackberry/pocket pc. ;)

Dunno that there'd be much need for website editing on a palm... Although
the real issue would be that because all of the content types are dynamic /
custom (and so all of their forms for editing), replacing the entire form
with a Flash interface would eliminate much of the functionality of the CMS.

Isaac

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Re: Comma space as list delimiter

2002-06-15 Thread Ewok

Thanks for the elaborate well thought out answer

- Original Message -
From: Matthew Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Comma space as list delimiter


 Well, no.

 - Original Message -
 From: Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Comma space as list delimiter


  It's fixed but wouldn;t ListChangeDelims be the same thing as using the
  comma space as the delimiter to start with???
 
  this fixed it
  cfset list = (list, ,, , , ALL)
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Matthew Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Comma space as list delimiter
 
 
   Just create your list with commas, then use ListChangeDelims
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:46 AM
   Subject: Comma space as list delimiter
  
  
quick one thats driving me nuts
   
I've got a list of dates seperated by a comma and need to have it
   seperated
by a comma then a space
I've tried setting ,  as the delimiter in my listappend statement
 with
   no
luck, so i went to the end of the append code then did a replace on
 the
   list
to try and get the , replaced with ,  but it only replaces the
 first
one.
   
...guess im not at one with the Tao : \
   
   
   
  
 
 
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In the body

2002-06-15 Thread critz


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RE: OT IIS BACKUP

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 BTW, I don't backup IIS. All virtual directories etc. are 
 created from a database by a script. I backup the script 
 and the database :)

Well, that's my preference as well. That's one of the reasons I like IIS -
you can manage it via ADSI through Windows Script Host scripts.

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RE: Structure vs. array

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 I believe the variables scope is the only one left that's not 
 a structure in CF5 ...

In CF MX, though, the Variables scope is now a structure, I think.

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RE: Structure vs. array

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 I believe the variables scope is the only one left that's
 not a structure in CF5 ...

 In CF MX, though, the Variables scope is now a structure,
 I think.

This would be very nice. :) I have a partner who's allowed me to utilize an
MX server to test out Tapestry (I didn't really have an extra machine to
load up the preview copy) ... I was really happy to see that the code
validator didn't find anything wrong with the application, although I still
had to make one minor syntactical change in a lot of places to make it work
on MX.

Isaac

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RE: Structure vs. array

2002-06-15 Thread Stacy Young

Yep, it is.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Structure vs. array

 I believe the variables scope is the only one left that's not 
 a structure in CF5 ...

In CF MX, though, the Variables scope is now a structure, I think.

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread Stacy Young

Hehe good point, can u tell I'm still a little caught up in the marketing
frenzy? ;)

Aside from all that I think there's definitely a market...I think many shops
and businesses still haven't grasped the potential cost savings yet and
probably get scared off by the semi- big ticket prices.

Stace

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Content Management

 I guess what I was suggesting was that MX *be* the form.
 Then u can extend your editing capabilities to wireless so
 management folks can update their site from their
 blackberry/pocket pc. ;)

Dunno that there'd be much need for website editing on a palm... Although
the real issue would be that because all of the content types are dynamic /
custom (and so all of their forms for editing), replacing the entire form
with a Flash interface would eliminate much of the functionality of the CMS.

Isaac

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RE: IE Content Adviser

2002-06-15 Thread John McCosker

Dude,

John's the rogue.

Only when I'm playing Rogue Leader,

j

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: IE Content Adviser


Not me man, I'm clean... John's the rogue. =)  I'm innocent! I swear! ;)

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:

 Yep... you have the words nudity, sex and violence..  all on the same
line
 too (you rogue!).
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:09 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: IE Content Adviser
 
 
 Interesting, apparently there's an inappropriate comment in my reply
 below, I just got this from gibney.com 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:01:41 -0400
 From: Nemx Power Tools for MS Exchange Server_ACS_NTS1_0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  NOTIFICATION ***
 *  re: ie
 content adviser
 
 Please be advised that the message you sent contains inappropriate,
 Or illicit content and has been automatically been logged and deleted
 from this system.
 
 Please refain from any further such transmissions of this type to this
 Organization.
 
 The Postmaster
 
 
 
 
 Are mail filters smart enough to know when you're being a smart alec? =)
 
 ~Todd
 
 
 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dude, on the Internet Options/Content panel, there's a  button called
  More Info -- did you click it?  I bet your answer lurks within. =)
 
  ~Todd
 
 
  On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, John McCosker wrote:
 
   Greetings,
  
   this is just out of interest,
  
   when I set my content to level 4 for nudity, language, sex and
violence,
   under Internet Options/content/,
  
   then I try to view our own corporate website it says that we do not
have
 a
   rating,
   mmm, a rating, and throws up the password box,
  
   what is it?
   Were does it reside, is it a certificate passed with the http request
 from
   your ISP?
   or do you you register it through the browser yourself and add
ratings,
  
   I took a look though but can't find anything,
  
   any ideas,
  
   respectfully,
  
   j
  
 

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RE: Multiple list box problem

2002-06-15 Thread Matthew R. Small

Hi Ian,
You have to remember that these are list boxes - if there are no
highlighted selections, then nothing will be submitted from the box.
Use a javascript loop to select every item in your second box
upon form submission and everything will be fine.

- Matt Small

-Original Message-
From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 11:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Multiple list box problem

Hi,

I've got two list boxes side by side - when you click a button in the
middle
you move values from the left hand box (list1) to the right hand box
(list2).

That works fine - problem is, when I submit the form, list2 doesn't
exist in
the form scope.

If I manually select all items in the list2 field, then they submit just
fine.

How do I automate this? So that simply moving a value from list1 to
list2 is
enough?

Thanks,

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 Hehe good point, can u tell I'm still a little caught up
 in the marketing frenzy? ;)

S'awright... :) Marketing's a good thing. :)

 Aside from all that I think there's definitely a market...
 I think many shops and businesses still haven't
 grasped the potential cost savings yet and probably
 get scared off by the semi- big ticket prices.

Yea, sometimes it's just that first step that's really big ... so it's
difficult for people to see that the bigger ticket up-front carries with it
a lower total cost of ownership in the long run. Granted that TCO can
often be difficult to calculate in and of itself.

Isaac

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RE: Slightly OT-Jumping from frames to No Frames

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 I have an app that uses frames, at a point in the processing, 
 I would like to offer a link to a homepage, at that point I 
 would want the link to open in the same window, but with no 
 frames. Is this possible? I know I can do a new window, but 
 that's not really what I would want to do.

a href=pagewithoutframes.cfm target=_topGoodbye, frames!/a

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RE: setup an odbc connection from a webserver on the DMZ

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 I'm trying to setup an odbc connection from a webserver on 
 the DMZ to one of our SQL servers(2kSP1) but cant, I can 
 ping and telnet into SQL Server from the webserver.

Is the SQL Server configured to allow connections via TCP/IP, as opposed to
Named Pipes, which may use NetBIOS over TCP/IP? What port is the SQL Server
configured to listen on? The default is 1433. Did you configure the ODBC
client to use TCP/IP? You can do that within the ODBC Control Panel. Is
traffic to port 1433 allowed through the firewall to the database server?

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RE: ColdFusion Microsoft Exchange Server

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 Okay, heres the problem/situation
 
 Network Location 1 : ColdFusion Application Server
 
 Network Location 2 : Microsoft Exchange Server
 
 Whats the deal with connecting these two together (and I 
 have been to cfcomet, there is nothing ;-). Since they are 
 over a network whats the deal with cfobject and connecting 
 to Microsoft Exchange server?
 
 The goal is to allow multiple users to have web access to 
 their calendar without the Outlook Web Interface.

You can connect via COM to Exchange using the CDO library. There's lots of
information about CDO on MSDN (http://msdn.microsoft.com/). There's also a
good book covering CDO from ASP, called ADSI CDO ASP, from Wrox Press. CDO
is the interface that the Outlook Web Access application uses, I'm sure.

Unfortunately, I don't know how easy this'll be from CF, since CF does such
a bad job with COM in general and with MS-specific interfaces like CDO and
ADSI in particular. I found it extremely difficult to work with ADSI from
CF, compared with ASP. Also, if you're using CF 5, you can use the
CFIMPERSONATE tag to wrap your CDO calls so that you can impersonate a
specific Exchange user, but there's no equivalent in CF MX, which is kind of
a bummer. Note that CFIMPERSONATE requires that you run the CF server as
SYSTEM.

 What don't you just VPN the two networks together into a 
 single virtual network, so that you don't have these issues?

While I agree that this would be a good idea if they're not already on the
same network, this won't solve the programmatic problem of how to get CF to
talk to Exchange.

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Working with Binary numbers

2002-06-15 Thread Tony Reynolds

I need to add binary numbers together as part of an equation to generate an
LRC. Does anyone have a suggestion on how I could do this with CF, CFscript
or another scripting technology I can imbed into a CF file ?

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Re: Working with Binary numbers

2002-06-15 Thread Howie Hamlin

CF has several built-in functions for bit-wise numberic calculations.  For example:

BitAnd, BitNot, BitOr, BitXor 

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Subject: Working with Binary numbers


 I need to add binary numbers together as part of an equation to generate an
 LRC. Does anyone have a suggestion on how I could do this with CF, CFscript
 or another scripting technology I can imbed into a CF file ?
 
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 (1) Never tell everything you know.
 
 
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RE: IE Content Adviser

2002-06-15 Thread John McCosker

I see what your saying I got it as well now,

its down to them four words I used in my original message,

nudity, language, sex and violence which are the settings within
content advisor, which means I'm probably going to get it again,

J

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: IE Content Adviser


Dude,

John's the rogue.

Only when I'm playing Rogue Leader,

j

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: IE Content Adviser


Not me man, I'm clean... John's the rogue. =)  I'm innocent! I swear! ;)

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:

 Yep... you have the words nudity, sex and violence..  all on the same
line
 too (you rogue!).
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:09 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: IE Content Adviser
 
 
 Interesting, apparently there's an inappropriate comment in my reply
 below, I just got this from gibney.com 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:01:41 -0400
 From: Nemx Power Tools for MS Exchange Server_ACS_NTS1_0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  NOTIFICATION ***
 *  re: ie
 content adviser
 
 Please be advised that the message you sent contains inappropriate,
 Or illicit content and has been automatically been logged and deleted
 from this system.
 
 Please refain from any further such transmissions of this type to this
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CFMX Default PointBase drivers

2002-06-15 Thread Dick Applebaum

Has anyone installed the CFMX default system (preferably Linux) and run 
the ExampleApps?

Especially the examples using db?

Have you used the PointBase jdbc drivers?

Whenever I try to verrify the driver setup I get the message:

Connection verification failed for data source: ExampleApps
[]java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver available for ExampleApps, 
please check the driver setting in jrun-resources.xml, error: 
com.pointbase.jdbc.jdbcUniversalDriver
The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver 
available for ExampleApps, please check the driver setting in 
jrun-resources.xml, error: com.pointbase.jdbc.jdbcUniversalDriver


Of course the admin template does this is encrypted with some new 
algorithm'

/CFIDE/administrator/datasources/default.cfm

Anyone know where I can get these drivers and where they are supposed to 
reside in the directory tree?

TIA

Dick

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unsubscribe adress

2002-06-15 Thread Barry Gee

hi can anyone tell me the adress to unsubscribe to this list.

thanks

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Re: unsubscribe adress

2002-06-15 Thread Todd

Sorry, but you're not allowed to leave Barry.

Just kidding, to un-subscribe, go here:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/lists/CF_Talk.cfm

At 05:58 PM 6/15/2002 +0100, you wrote:
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Re: unsubscribe adress

2002-06-15 Thread Howie Hamlin

Look at the bottom of the email...

Howie

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CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Tangorre

Hi everyone.

I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like to use paypal to process 
the final transaction.
The entire cart is stored on the website, and he wishes to use just paypal for the 
payment regardless of how many items are in the cart, etc...
Now, can this be done? Is there an API that I can use to do this? Has anyone made any 
custom tags for this? Basically, I would hope Paypal would return some kind of status 
and if the transaction went through I would record the order and send the order to the 
guy making the items, etc...

anyone have any thoughts or comments. This has to be low budget, and that is why 
paypal is an options. I am open to other alternatives but the transaction fees need to 
be around paypal's (30 cents per transaction and 2.2% of total).

Thanks,

Mike



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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread Andy Ousterhout

Isaac,

Content Management, like Customer Relationship Management, tends to be used
to mean different things to different people and many clients don't
understand which aspect is important to them and why.

When I was at GE Information Services, they had two issues.  First was
balancing local control / divisional control of content to corporate
branding and quality standards and the second was a usability issue with
delivering the right content to the right employees and customers.  While
they were somewhat aware of the issues, I had to clarify it for them and
make the business case for what should come first and second.

As it turned out, managing the content creation process was the first issue
they had to solve.  Cleaning up old and conflicting pages and presentation
styles was a huge issue. This had to be accomplished keeping in mind what
was likely to be a significant move to dynamic content next.

Another client, a large insurance company, had focused on relatively fixed
content versus transactional information matched to dynamic content.  I
helped them understand the interdependencies and created the need for an
entirely different infrastructure to support the new integration
requirements.

Bottom line, they need you to help them articulate their issues first, then
help them solve them with the appropriate solutions.  If you wait for them
to deliver clearly defined requirements (which never really happens) you end
up being looked at as a commodity versus a value added partner.

Andy
-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Content Management


Hello all,

I'm new to the cf-talk list although I've been working with ColdFusion for 5
years. I got started on a mission critical intranet app at MCI / Worldcom
where I worked for about 6 months before they finalized the merger and the
job evaporated. That was CF 3.0 just before Allaire's second wind. :)

I'm curious to know what members of the list think about the subject of
content management or CMS.

Do your clients often ask for tools to allow their not-so-technical staff to
update their own websites? and if so, how do you address the issue? Do you
build something for them in-house, figure out what their requirements are
and offer them a list of existing solutions or just tell them their best bet
is to hire more web staff? ...

Do you have a preferred package and if so which and why?

How many of you still have active client sites on Spectra?

Admittedly I have an ulterior motive. :) Over the past 3 years I developed a
content management system myself which you can see at
http://products.turnkey.to and I'm now trying to make a serious effort at
marketing, so any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Isaac Dealey

new epoch
www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046


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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Justin Scott

 I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like
 to use paypal to process the final transaction.

Ok..  first off, be prepared for a number of flames on this, as many people
hate PayPal for various reasons.  I personally have no problem with them, so
here we go...

1. Once the user submits the order, you will need to store it and flag it as
in process somehow.

2. You will need to use one of PayPal's wizards through their web site to
setup a sample multiple-item purchase.  You can then use that sample data to
build the URL you will end up sending the users to for payment.

3. PayPal has a fairly new feature called Instant Payment Notification.
This is setup on the PayPal account and basically will post a form to a URL
you specify.  This should be a special processing page on your server that
will flag the specified order as paid then notify the client, etc.  It
will also need to post some information back to PayPal for tracking
purposes.

Most of the info you will need can be found at:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/paypal-solutions

You will need to be logged in to access that link directly.

If you don't feel like building everything yourself, take a look at the
developer's exchange.  There are a few existing PayPal custom tags that will
handle everything, but they all required registration the last time I
looked.

Hope that helps a bit!

-Justin Scott, Lead Developer
 Sceiron Internet Services, Inc.
 http://www.sceiron.com


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CFMX / XML [2]

2002-06-15 Thread Todd

So, to answer my own questions, when you create an XML Object via XMLNew() 
the reason why XMLParse fails is because that's the parsed XML Object 
already.  To transform that XML Object so something else, you need to use 
XMLTransform() and you need an XSLT object to transform that before it can 
be written to an .xml file.  Looking into XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet 
Language Transformation) objects atm.

Hope this is useful for someone.

~Todd


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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread Mike Brunt

Isaac, I was pretty heavily involved at Allaire with Spectra (I was a field
based consultant specializing in Spectra).  I think that one of the issues
with buying pre written packages (like Tapestry) is figuring out how to use
them.  For instance is Tapestry a full stand-alone application
generator-creator that will drive the whole of a web application front-end
and back-end (like Spectra) or is something that can be integrated into an
existing web application as a back end content management tool, or is it
both?  Another issue in marketing and selling Tapestry directly to
organizations is the aspect of installing managing-administering ColdFusion.
I tend to think that it would be good to find a marketing angle by selling
through existing CF Houses who then have the abilities and client
relationships to amplify and adapt what you have already done for their
clients.

Just my thoughts and opinions, good luck anyhow.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb

Webapper - Making the NET work


-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Content Management


Hello all,

I'm new to the cf-talk list although I've been working with ColdFusion for 5
years. I got started on a mission critical intranet app at MCI / Worldcom
where I worked for about 6 months before they finalized the merger and the
job evaporated. That was CF 3.0 just before Allaire's second wind. :)

I'm curious to know what members of the list think about the subject of
content management or CMS.

Do your clients often ask for tools to allow their not-so-technical staff to
update their own websites? and if so, how do you address the issue? Do you
build something for them in-house, figure out what their requirements are
and offer them a list of existing solutions or just tell them their best bet
is to hire more web staff? ...

Do you have a preferred package and if so which and why?

How many of you still have active client sites on Spectra?

Admittedly I have an ulterior motive. :) Over the past 3 years I developed a
content management system myself which you can see at
http://products.turnkey.to and I'm now trying to make a serious effort at
marketing, so any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Isaac Dealey

new epoch
www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046


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RE: Pez convention moves after teen is cited

2002-06-15 Thread Joshua Tipton

Costas,

 I do not want to be critical but you sure do like to lash out at
others.  Yes this list is for CF Development help, but even thing like
this to break up the monotony of a day is a good thing.  I am in no way
lashing out at you it is just something that I notice.  You lashed at me
about the outlook question and I have seen you lash out at others.  This
is a list to help not slam let's try to keep it that way.

Joshua Tipton

-Original Message-
From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Pez convention moves after teen is cited

What exactly does this have to do with Cold Fusion Development?  

-Original Message-
From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Pez convention moves after teen is cited


By Heather Ratcliffe 
Of The Post-Dispatch 

* A Frontenac officer issued a summons to the youth for not having a
merchant's license. That led the convention's organizer to move the
candy
dispenser collectors' convention to Town and Country.

Pez candy dispenser collectors moved their annual convention this
weekend
from Frontenac to Town and Country after an undercover police officer
busted
a teen who sold a $3 item without a merchant's license.

A Frontenac police detective wandered into a room at the Frontenac
Hilton on
Thursday and bought a Star Wars Pez candy dispenser from 18-year-old
Seth
Weinberg of Columbia, Mo.

About an hour later, the officer returned to issue Weinberg a court
summons.
Dozens of other dealers were not cited.

I didn't invite this guy into my room to buy Pez. He just came in,
Weinberg said.

City officials said anyone selling merchandise in Frontenac must apply
for a
itinerant merchant license 30 days before the sale. The process gives
police
an opportunity to check the background of a vendor before the public
buys
wares.

It doesn't matter what they are selling - diamond rings or Pez
dispensers,
said City Attorney Chet Pleban. We want to make sure everyone follows
the
law, and we know who comes into our town.

John Devlin, who founded the convention 10 years ago, said he never
needed a
license when he hosted the event in the St. Louis area in the past.
Devlin,
of south St. Louis County, said the hotel event coordinator never
mentioned
it.

He said he heard about the ordinance about three weeks before the
convention. By then, he said, he didn't have time to apply.

Instead, Devlin decided to move the event to the St. Louis Marriott West
hotel in Town and Country after the incident Thursday.

Town and Country does not put the same restrictions on vendors.

The Pez show, open to the public from 10:30 to 2 p.m. today, will be
squeezed into the Marriott West ballroom, which is one-third the size of
the
planned space.

More than 200 people from across the country registered for the event.
Organizers expected several hundred more to stop in.

Weinberg must return to Frontenac July 17 to appear in court on his
violation.

I know the police are doing their job, he said. But I'm sure there
has
got to be something better they can be doing than busting people selling
Pez.





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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Tangorre

anyone else have input?

Thanks for your Justin.. Im gonna wait for a few more replies then check into it.

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin Scott 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:42 PM
  Subject: Re: CF and PayPal


   I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like
   to use paypal to process the final transaction.

  Ok..  first off, be prepared for a number of flames on this, as many people
  hate PayPal for various reasons.  I personally have no problem with them, so
  here we go...

  1. Once the user submits the order, you will need to store it and flag it as
  in process somehow.

  2. You will need to use one of PayPal's wizards through their web site to
  setup a sample multiple-item purchase.  You can then use that sample data to
  build the URL you will end up sending the users to for payment.

  3. PayPal has a fairly new feature called Instant Payment Notification.
  This is setup on the PayPal account and basically will post a form to a URL
  you specify.  This should be a special processing page on your server that
  will flag the specified order as paid then notify the client, etc.  It
  will also need to post some information back to PayPal for tracking
  purposes.

  Most of the info you will need can be found at:
  https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/paypal-solutions

  You will need to be logged in to access that link directly.

  If you don't feel like building everything yourself, take a look at the
  developer's exchange.  There are a few existing PayPal custom tags that will
  handle everything, but they all required registration the last time I
  looked.

  Hope that helps a bit!

  -Justin Scott, Lead Developer
   Sceiron Internet Services, Inc.
   http://www.sceiron.com


  
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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Todd

Well, I looked into this as well Mike, so you're not alone.  I actually 
paid 15 bucks to someone for a paypal tag only to discover how easy it was 
and ... majority of your questions / answers can be found on that link that 
Justin pointed out.  Everyone might hate paypal, but that's credit 
information you don't need to have on your server (imho).  I don't want to 
be responsible for credit security.  So, paypal works for me...

~Todd

At 03:42 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
anyone else have input?

Thanks for your Justin.. Im gonna wait for a few more replies then check 
into it.

Mike

   - Original Message -
   From: Justin Scott
   To: CF-Talk
   Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:42 PM
   Subject: Re: CF and PayPal


I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like
to use paypal to process the final transaction.

   Ok..  first off, be prepared for a number of flames on this, as many people
   hate PayPal for various reasons.  I personally have no problem with 
 them, so
   here we go...

   1. Once the user submits the order, you will need to store it and flag 
 it as
   in process somehow.

   2. You will need to use one of PayPal's wizards through their web site to
   setup a sample multiple-item purchase.  You can then use that sample 
 data to
   build the URL you will end up sending the users to for payment.

   3. PayPal has a fairly new feature called Instant Payment Notification.
   This is setup on the PayPal account and basically will post a form to a URL
   you specify.  This should be a special processing page on your server that
   will flag the specified order as paid then notify the client, etc.  It
   will also need to post some information back to PayPal for tracking
   purposes.

   Most of the info you will need can be found at:
   https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/paypal-solutions

   You will need to be logged in to access that link directly.

   If you don't feel like building everything yourself, take a look at the
   developer's exchange.  There are a few existing PayPal custom tags that 
 will
   handle everything, but they all required registration the last time I
   looked.

   Hope that helps a bit!

   -Justin Scott, Lead Developer
Sceiron Internet Services, Inc.
http://www.sceiron.com




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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Tangorre

Well stated Todd. Security for a small business just trying to make a small presence 
on the net does not want to be respoisible for that kind of info.. it only takes one 
lawsuit to ruin the business! So, I am reading the PDF from paypal now.. im sure it 
will work for what I need.

Thanks for your input as well.

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Todd 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:46 PM
  Subject: Re: CF and PayPal


  Well, I looked into this as well Mike, so you're not alone.  I actually 
  paid 15 bucks to someone for a paypal tag only to discover how easy it was 
  and ... majority of your questions / answers can be found on that link that 
  Justin pointed out.  Everyone might hate paypal, but that's credit 
  information you don't need to have on your server (imho).  I don't want to 
  be responsible for credit security.  So, paypal works for me...

  ~Todd

  At 03:42 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
  anyone else have input?
  
  Thanks for your Justin.. Im gonna wait for a few more replies then check 
  into it.
  
  Mike
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Justin Scott
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:42 PM
 Subject: Re: CF and PayPal
  
  
  I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like
  to use paypal to process the final transaction.
  
 Ok..  first off, be prepared for a number of flames on this, as many people
 hate PayPal for various reasons.  I personally have no problem with 
   them, so
 here we go...
  
 1. Once the user submits the order, you will need to store it and flag 
   it as
 in process somehow.
  
 2. You will need to use one of PayPal's wizards through their web site to
 setup a sample multiple-item purchase.  You can then use that sample 
   data to
 build the URL you will end up sending the users to for payment.
  
 3. PayPal has a fairly new feature called Instant Payment Notification.
 This is setup on the PayPal account and basically will post a form to a URL
 you specify.  This should be a special processing page on your server that
 will flag the specified order as paid then notify the client, etc.  It
 will also need to post some information back to PayPal for tracking
 purposes.
  
 Most of the info you will need can be found at:
 https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/pdn/paypal-solutions
  
 You will need to be logged in to access that link directly.
  
 If you don't feel like building everything yourself, take a look at the
 developer's exchange.  There are a few existing PayPal custom tags that 
   will
 handle everything, but they all required registration the last time I
 looked.
  
 Hope that helps a bit!
  
 -Justin Scott, Lead Developer
  Sceiron Internet Services, Inc.
  http://www.sceiron.com
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Nick McClure

I usually tell clients they should get a full merchant account, the rates 
are similar, but the setup costs are higher.

Check out Verisign Pay Flow Pro for more info on it.

At 03:46 PM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Well, I looked into this as well Mike, so you're not alone.  I actually
paid 15 bucks to someone for a paypal tag only to discover how easy it was
and ... majority of your questions / answers can be found on that link that
Justin pointed out.  Everyone might hate paypal, but that's credit
information you don't need to have on your server (imho).  I don't want to
be responsible for credit security.  So, paypal works for me...

~Todd

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RE: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Stacy Young

Ok so maybe I'm a little biased considering our company is in the payment
processing biz. ;)

At the moment you can interact with our API via CF's CFHTTP tag to send and
receive your response in real-time.

We've got some very cool additions launching in the near future involving MX
/ Java / .NET integration. All of our payment processing services will be
made available as a suite of Web Services (Including reporting / data
feeds)...you will even be able to tie-in directly through Flash MX if that's
your operating environment.

Gimme a shout if you need additional info. 

Stace


-Original Message-
From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF and PayPal

Hi everyone.

I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like to use paypal
to process the final transaction.
The entire cart is stored on the website, and he wishes to use just paypal
for the payment regardless of how many items are in the cart, etc...
Now, can this be done? Is there an API that I can use to do this? Has anyone
made any custom tags for this? Basically, I would hope Paypal would return
some kind of status and if the transaction went through I would record the
order and send the order to the guy making the items, etc...

anyone have any thoughts or comments. This has to be low budget, and that is
why paypal is an options. I am open to other alternatives but the
transaction fees need to be around paypal's (30 cents per transaction and
2.2% of total).

Thanks,

Mike




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Re: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Tangorre

Oh I want some additional info!  :-)
Lets get in touch to talk.. offlist? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or onlist if you would like (maybe others want to know).

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacy Young 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:55 PM
  Subject: RE: CF and PayPal


  Ok so maybe I'm a little biased considering our company is in the payment
  processing biz. ;)

  At the moment you can interact with our API via CF's CFHTTP tag to send and
  receive your response in real-time.

  We've got some very cool additions launching in the near future involving MX
  / Java / .NET integration. All of our payment processing services will be
  made available as a suite of Web Services (Including reporting / data
  feeds)...you will even be able to tie-in directly through Flash MX if that's
  your operating environment.

  Gimme a shout if you need additional info. 

  Stace


  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:30 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: CF and PayPal

  Hi everyone.

  I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like to use paypal
  to process the final transaction.
  The entire cart is stored on the website, and he wishes to use just paypal
  for the payment regardless of how many items are in the cart, etc...
  Now, can this be done? Is there an API that I can use to do this? Has anyone
  made any custom tags for this? Basically, I would hope Paypal would return
  some kind of status and if the transaction went through I would record the
  order and send the order to the guy making the items, etc...

  anyone have any thoughts or comments. This has to be low budget, and that is
  why paypal is an options. I am open to other alternatives but the
  transaction fees need to be around paypal's (30 cents per transaction and
  2.2% of total).

  Thanks,

  Mike




  
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RE: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Jim Vosika

I would be interested just out of curiosity

-Original Message-
From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF and PayPal

Oh I want some additional info!  :-)
Lets get in touch to talk.. offlist? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or onlist if you would like (maybe others want to know).

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacy Young 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:55 PM
  Subject: RE: CF and PayPal


  Ok so maybe I'm a little biased considering our company is in the
payment
  processing biz. ;)

  At the moment you can interact with our API via CF's CFHTTP tag to
send and
  receive your response in real-time.

  We've got some very cool additions launching in the near future
involving MX
  / Java / .NET integration. All of our payment processing services will
be
  made available as a suite of Web Services (Including reporting / data
  feeds)...you will even be able to tie-in directly through Flash MX if
that's
  your operating environment.

  Gimme a shout if you need additional info. 

  Stace


  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:30 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: CF and PayPal

  Hi everyone.

  I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like to use
paypal
  to process the final transaction.
  The entire cart is stored on the website, and he wishes to use just
paypal
  for the payment regardless of how many items are in the cart, etc...
  Now, can this be done? Is there an API that I can use to do this? Has
anyone
  made any custom tags for this? Basically, I would hope Paypal would
return
  some kind of status and if the transaction went through I would record
the
  order and send the order to the guy making the items, etc...

  anyone have any thoughts or comments. This has to be low budget, and
that is
  why paypal is an options. I am open to other alternatives but the
  transaction fees need to be around paypal's (30 cents per transaction
and
  2.2% of total).

  Thanks,

  Mike




  

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RE: CF and PayPal

2002-06-15 Thread Stacy Young

DOH! Think I'm kind of spilling the beans but I couldn't help it...hearing
you folks talking about Paypal...I was starting to itch. ;)

To be honest I'm not sure how much detail I'm allowed to go into at the
moment. I'll get all the details and post ASAP. ( I DO know we'll have a
beta trial coming up if you're interested )

All I can say is I'm fired up about it, some cool stuff coming down the
pipe. (they don't let me out much)

Cheers,

Stace
1-514-380-2700 ext: 3234
Surefire Commerce
http://www.sfcommerce.com


-Original Message-
From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF and PayPal

Oh I want some additional info!  :-)
Lets get in touch to talk.. offlist? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or onlist if you would like (maybe others want to know).

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacy Young 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:55 PM
  Subject: RE: CF and PayPal


  Ok so maybe I'm a little biased considering our company is in the payment
  processing biz. ;)

  At the moment you can interact with our API via CF's CFHTTP tag to send
and
  receive your response in real-time.

  We've got some very cool additions launching in the near future involving
MX
  / Java / .NET integration. All of our payment processing services will be
  made available as a suite of Web Services (Including reporting / data
  feeds)...you will even be able to tie-in directly through Flash MX if
that's
  your operating environment.

  Gimme a shout if you need additional info. 

  Stace


  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:30 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: CF and PayPal

  Hi everyone.

  I have a shopping cart on a clients website and he would like to use
paypal
  to process the final transaction.
  The entire cart is stored on the website, and he wishes to use just paypal
  for the payment regardless of how many items are in the cart, etc...
  Now, can this be done? Is there an API that I can use to do this? Has
anyone
  made any custom tags for this? Basically, I would hope Paypal would return
  some kind of status and if the transaction went through I would record the
  order and send the order to the guy making the items, etc...

  anyone have any thoughts or comments. This has to be low budget, and that
is
  why paypal is an options. I am open to other alternatives but the
  transaction fees need to be around paypal's (30 cents per transaction and
  2.2% of total).

  Thanks,

  Mike




  

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Re: Pez convention moves after teen is cited

2002-06-15 Thread Howie Hamlin

Lon Lentz posted that information here by mistake (he meant to post to the 
cf-community list instead).  He apologized on
the same day.

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Joshua Tipton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: Pez convention moves after teen is cited


 Costas,

  I do not want to be critical but you sure do like to lash out at
 others.  Yes this list is for CF Development help, but even thing like
 this to break up the monotony of a day is a good thing.  I am in no way
 lashing out at you it is just something that I notice.  You lashed at me
 about the outlook question and I have seen you lash out at others.  This
 is a list to help not slam let's try to keep it that way.

 Joshua Tipton

 -Original Message-
 From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:02 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Pez convention moves after teen is cited

 What exactly does this have to do with Cold Fusion Development?

 -Original Message-
 From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 1:03 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Pez convention moves after teen is cited


 By Heather Ratcliffe
 Of The Post-Dispatch

 * A Frontenac officer issued a summons to the youth for not having a
 merchant's license. That led the convention's organizer to move the
 candy
 dispenser collectors' convention to Town and Country.

 Pez candy dispenser collectors moved their annual convention this
 weekend
 from Frontenac to Town and Country after an undercover police officer
 busted
 a teen who sold a $3 item without a merchant's license.

 A Frontenac police detective wandered into a room at the Frontenac
 Hilton on
 Thursday and bought a Star Wars Pez candy dispenser from 18-year-old
 Seth
 Weinberg of Columbia, Mo.

 About an hour later, the officer returned to issue Weinberg a court
 summons.
 Dozens of other dealers were not cited.

 I didn't invite this guy into my room to buy Pez. He just came in,
 Weinberg said.

 City officials said anyone selling merchandise in Frontenac must apply
 for a
 itinerant merchant license 30 days before the sale. The process gives
 police
 an opportunity to check the background of a vendor before the public
 buys
 wares.

 It doesn't matter what they are selling - diamond rings or Pez
 dispensers,
 said City Attorney Chet Pleban. We want to make sure everyone follows
 the
 law, and we know who comes into our town.

 John Devlin, who founded the convention 10 years ago, said he never
 needed a
 license when he hosted the event in the St. Louis area in the past.
 Devlin,
 of south St. Louis County, said the hotel event coordinator never
 mentioned
 it.

 He said he heard about the ordinance about three weeks before the
 convention. By then, he said, he didn't have time to apply.

 Instead, Devlin decided to move the event to the St. Louis Marriott West
 hotel in Town and Country after the incident Thursday.

 Town and Country does not put the same restrictions on vendors.

 The Pez show, open to the public from 10:30 to 2 p.m. today, will be
 squeezed into the Marriott West ballroom, which is one-third the size of
 the
 planned space.

 More than 200 people from across the country registered for the event.
 Organizers expected several hundred more to stop in.

 Weinberg must return to Frontenac July 17 to appear in court on his
 violation.

 I know the police are doing their job, he said. But I'm sure there
 has
 got to be something better they can be doing than busting people selling
 Pez.





 
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Jim Curran

I have SQL server 2K

and thiry + databases ...

I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is a bulk backup
of the entire server.

- j

 -Original Message-
 From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:24 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: OT SQL SERVER Backup


 Which version of SQL Server...SQL2000 has a copy database wizard that can
 create a DTS package that you can save and run later.

 At 08:54 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
 restore them on
 a separate Machine?
 
 - j
 
 
 
 
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
 restore them on a separate Machine?

 ...

 I have SQL server 2K
 
 and thiry + databases ...
 
 I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is 
 a bulk backup of the entire server.

There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a one-time
thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can simply copy the
database and log files to the new server, and use sp_attach_db to attach
each to the new server. Alternatively, you can use T-SQL to automate the
backup and restore process; on the source database server, run the BACKUP
DATABASE command through any database. OSQL is a handy command-line client
for doing this sort of stuff. Since you want to backup the entire server,
you'll probably want to write a T-SQL batch to query the master database to
find out about each database, then loop over that information. I'll bet you
can find a useful script for that here:

http://www.swynk.com/sqlscripts/backuprest7.asp

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Joshua Tipton

To backup all databases use a database maintenance plan to backup them
up to the local server then have it run a script on completion to copy
the files to the other server then when that job is finished have it run
the restore of the databases.

Joshua Tipton

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

 Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
 restore them on a separate Machine?

 ...

 I have SQL server 2K
 
 and thiry + databases ...
 
 I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is 
 a bulk backup of the entire server.

There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a
one-time
thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can simply copy
the
database and log files to the new server, and use sp_attach_db to attach
each to the new server. Alternatively, you can use T-SQL to automate the
backup and restore process; on the source database server, run the
BACKUP
DATABASE command through any database. OSQL is a handy command-line
client
for doing this sort of stuff. Since you want to backup the entire
server,
you'll probably want to write a T-SQL batch to query the master database
to
find out about each database, then loop over that information. I'll bet
you
can find a useful script for that here:

http://www.swynk.com/sqlscripts/backuprest7.asp

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 Content Management, like Customer Relationship
 Management, tends to be used to mean different things
 to different people

I think I tend to agree ... Even a cursory glance at the CM products
landscape is enough to make some people's heads spin with the incredible
variances in both features and means. Compare something like CommonSpot or
Spectra to one CM product I saw which submits rich text content from MS Word
for inclusion in a predesigned html template using _SMTP_ from _within_ MS
Word. The means in these cases are so radically different as to near
completely eliminate the possibility of similarity in features. Though in
either case they may achieve many of the same ends : business users
publishing content and boosting production or reducing maintenance costs or
some combination.

 and many clients don't understand
 which aspect is important to them and why.

This makes a lot of sense actually...

 Bottom line, they need you to help them articulate
 their issues first, then help them solve them with the
 appropriate solutions.  If you wait for them to deliver
 clearly defined requirements (which never really
 happens) you end up being looked at as a
 commodity versus a value added partner.

Thanks Andy, this rather confirms my suspicions. It's often a lot easier to
see a problem than it is to see possible solutions, i.e. it's easy enough to
browse a website and realize that navigation is confusing or information is
difficult to find. Solutions for that problem may not be as readily
apparent, and likely in most cases a business person tasked with finding
such a solution won't expect to be able to save their company money in the
long-run by implementing that solution either. At least I imagine I would
consider it somewhat counterintuitive if I were not already involved in the
dynamic content industry.

This also helps me understand how and where I should be focussing my efforts
at this stage.

Isaac

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

 Compare something like CommonSpot or Spectra to one CM 
 product I saw which submits rich text content from MS Word
 for inclusion in a predesigned html template using _SMTP_ 
 from _within_ MS Word.

Or, for that matter, just compare CommonSpot to Spectra - they're radically
different, I think. Spectra is essentially a bunch of code, which you can
use to build your CMS applications. CommonSpot, on the other hand,
essentially runs out-of-the-box, although you can certainly customize it.
There's more of an up-front cost to CommonSpot than Spectra ($25k vs #15k, I
think) but the total cost to deploy a CommonSpot solution is typically a
fraction of that to deliver a similar Spectra solution.

But yes, you're right - CMS products span a pretty wide range.

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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Stephen Hait

Dave Watts wrote: 
 There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a
 one-time thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can
 simply copy the database and log files to the new server, and use
 sp_attach_db to attach each to the new server. snip

Another alternative if you don't need to move the log files is to 
look into the command (see Books Online for syntax):
sp_attach_single_file_db

This allows you to attach just using the .MDF file.

Stephen

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 I was pretty heavily involved at Allaire with Spectra
 (I was a field based consultant specializing in Spectra).

Good to know. :)

 I think that one of the issues with buying pre written
 packages (like Tapestry) is figuring out how to use them.

Yea, I've not been surprised that my research has shown a lot of emphasis on
the learning-curve of packaged management systems, although, even if you
build something in-house, you still have to get everyone on-board, so I
wouldn't say that's an advantage to building in-house as much as is the
ability to _completely_ control the cm environment from the ground up to
suit your own business specifically. The new member form on my site has a
very simple (and completely non-scientific) feature survey where new members
just check the boxes for the features they look for in a cms... and although
most folks ignore the survey all-together, the breakdown is interresting:

26 template customization
22 workflow management
19 automated content expiration
19 easy to use
16 member roles and security
15 source and version control
10 content archiving and recovery
..

I suspect easy to use may be more important than indicated -- but then
again, it's not really a feature per-se, it's more of a quality and
difficult to define at that... Until recently I hadn't wanted to put fast
or easy to use in my marketing materials, but I changed my mind about that
actually because of the feedback I've received from a few early users. :)
All of this is since the release of version 4 mind you, which involved some
significant improvements to both the UI and performance, largely thanks to
several new features in CF 5.

 For instance is Tapestry a full stand-alone
 application generator-creator that will drive the whole
 of a web application front-end and back-end (like
 Spectra) or is something that can be integrated into
 an existing web application as a back end content
 management tool, or is it both?

Tapestry is capable of being as little or as much of the front and/or
back-end as you want it to be really...

All of the content types are simple OO classes with their own properties and
methods (or behaviors), so with a little work you can make them do anything
you need them to do. The OO implementation is fairly simple and lacks some
of the subtler points of languages like Java such as listener classes and
the like, but it manages to allow derived classes which inherit methods and
properties from parent classes.

None of which even mentions the add / remove components wizard which is a
model of the Windows programs wizard, designed to allow for reasonably
painless upgrading and/or adding / removing component features, ideally
without overwriting any of the existing codebase. As a matter of fact,
neither of the add-on components I've developed overwrite a single line of
the core API and if my software developers kit does its job well, neither
will most of the components written by other developers.

Of course, I still have to produce the SDK but I'm trying to generate more
interrest first. There also won't be any licensing fees for developers who
want to create add-on components, so I'm sure free and open-source
components for the most popular features will become available.

 Another issue in marketing and selling Tapestry
 directly to organizations is the aspect of installing
 managing-administering ColdFusion. I tend to think
 that it would be good to find a marketing angle by
 selling through existing CF Houses who then have
 the abilities and client relationships to amplify and
 adapt what you have already done for their clients.

Thank you. The thought had occurred to me also, but it's good to have the
second opinion. :) Actually there are two ColdFusion hosting companies
currently considering using Tapestry as an ASP service... I won't mention
names because in both cases we're still ironing out details and I wouldn't
want to predisclose anything without their consent and likely a press
release.

 Just my thoughts and opinions, good luck anyhow.

Thanks Mike, I really appreciate the feedback.

Isaac

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RE: Content Management

2002-06-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

 Compare something like CommonSpot or Spectra to one CM
 product I saw which submits rich text content from MS Word
 for inclusion in a predesigned html template using _SMTP_
 from _within_ MS Word.

 Or, for that matter, just compare CommonSpot to Spectra -
 they're radically different, I think. Spectra is essentially a bunch
 of code, which you can use to build your CMS applications.
 CommonSpot, on the other hand, essentially runs out-of-the-box,
 although you can certainly customize it. There's more of an
 up-front cost to CommonSpot than Spectra ($25k vs #15k, I
 think) but the total cost to deploy a CommonSpot solution
 is typically a fraction of that to deliver a similar Spectra solution.

I've (unfortunately?) had little exposure to Spectra and was making the
comparison between the two as both being browser-based (?) solutions as
compared to the afforementioned -- what do I even call that?! ...

Though you make an excellent point. And this is with two companies who
primarily shared the market of ColdFusion shops, not even scratching the
surface of other industry or user-type focused products, like CMS which
target print media companies like newspapers and magazines or CMS that focus
on corporate intranets or CMS which target small businesses and bank on
volume.

And often times all of these variations only help to confuse rather than
clarify the environment in which CM packages are bought and sold ... imho
when you're shopping for a reasonably new technology (5yrs? 10yrs?) is about
the worst time in the world for this sort of confusion (or for that matter
when I'm trying to sell it -- how do I define my target audience? etc.),
though I suppose this is liable to be the state of things in the forseeable
future...

I guess it keeps me busy. :)

Isaac

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046

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