RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Micha Schopman
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no need to compete with Microsoft.
Both companies haven't really got competing products sold as so, and
while I see it mentioned a lot, Avalon is not a foundation for RIA
development. Avalon is merely the new surrounding framework for graphics
(vectorized), and XAML would be the MXML for WinForms, not the web. XAML
introduces a new way of building Windows applications by using the XML
format XAML (which is actually a direct translation of Avalon function
calls) so people, just like Flex, design the interface of their
application with XML but purely for pure Windows applications. 


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Re: CFGrid Flash format and href

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Aebig
Though I've never done it myself, I'm quite sure you'll need to use a 
CustomCellRenderer. This is how you do it from inside the IDE and not much 
is different...

Just a guess,

Kevin

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 How can I use href inside of a Flash format grid.

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Re: SMS and billing

2005-04-19 Thread John Beynon
try here, http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=eentry=1533

jb.


On 4/19/05, Justin D. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  We're talking about SMS messaging and the possibility
  of billing our customers through their mobile phone
  bill. I understand how the CF part technically works,
  SMS gateways and stuff. What I don't know is how we
  actually bill them. Does anyone have any links or
  know where I can go to find this kind of info?
  Anybody know how it works?
 
 I would suspect that the only two ways to get something to show up on
 someone's phone bill would be to either have them dial a 1-900 number, or 
 to
 have an arrangement with the phone company to place the item on their 
 bill.
 I highly doubt there is a way to put something on their bill simply by
 sending a specially formatted SMS message or the like (unless you had a
 special deal worked out with them as mentioned above). That would be a
 major security issue, to say the least.
 
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Re: CFGrid Flash format and href

2005-04-19 Thread Paul Hastings
How can I use href inside of a Flash format grid.

if you mean cfgrid, i think you want the as function getURL(). you can 
see more here: http://tinyurl.com/dfwem

being a total cavedeweller about the new rich form stuff i've found the 
following to be pretty good resources:

http://www.cfform.com/
http://www.asfusion.com/blog/
http://cfpim.blogspot.com/





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RE: Bloomberg article

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
 I do.  I leave Flash Player on that machine though and Windows Servers 
 probably account for a decent percentage of computer connected to the 
 internet.

They may well do, but the statistics clearly state that they refer to
Internet-enabled desktops not computer connected to the internet so your
servers don't count.

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Re: ColdFusion 5 - setting server wide default locale

2005-04-19 Thread mac jordan
On 4/19/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I don't think you can set a server-wide locale with CF 5 at all, actually.
 
 
really? That's odd - our old installation was definitely UK, and so is our 
dev copy.

never mind - we've bunged some stuff in the necessary Application.cfm files 
now. Thanks anyway.


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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
 PDFs are Postscript.  They are actually the native file 
 format for Illustrator files.

That isn't quite true.  PostScript files have a .PS extention and require
some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn them into a .PDF file.
Illustrators native file format is .AI which is a variation of the Adobe
Encapsulated PostScript or .EPS file format.

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
The extension does not determine the file type directly.  

PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but whatever
way you look at it they are PostScript files...



-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 09:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

 PDFs are Postscript.  They are actually the native file 
 format for Illustrator files.

That isn't quite true.  PostScript files have a .PS extention and require
some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn them into a .PDF file.
Illustrators native file format is .AI which is a variation of the Adobe
Encapsulated PostScript or .EPS file format.

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
 Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now 
 have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites 
 better.  CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a 
 programmer but wants to use cfinclude so his menu only has to 
 exist in one file.

That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
!--#include file=filename.html --
Can be done for free on almost any Apache server ;-)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
Tres funny.
 
 Of course, the first products to get combined are going to be 
 Freehand and Illustrator...
 
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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
And on IIS!

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 09:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

 Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now 
 have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites 
 better.  CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a 
 programmer but wants to use cfinclude so his menu only has to 
 exist in one file.

That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
!--#include file=filename.html --
Can be done for free on almost any Apache server ;-)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
 The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
 
 PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF 
 format, but whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...

While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a .PS Illustrator
won't open it any more and nor will anything else.  PDF files are based
arround PostScript files and do have some similarities but they ARE NOT
postscript files any more than your Ford Focus is a Model-T, based on it
yes, looks like it, to some degree, but is it? NOPE!

--
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 That isn't quite true.  PostScript files have a .PS extention 
 and require some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn 
 them into a .PDF file.
 Illustrators native file format is .AI which is a variation 
 of the Adobe Encapsulated PostScript or .EPS file format.
 
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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Jochem van Dieten
James Smith wrote:
 
 That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
 !--#include file=filename.html --
 Can be done for free on almost any Apache server ;-)

If you want to go minimalistic just use HTML to include the menu:

object type=text/html data=menu.html
   a href=menu.html
 Menu
   /a
/object

The menu even gets cached in the web browser :)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are just mappings.

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 09:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

 The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
 
 PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF 
 format, but whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...

While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a .PS Illustrator
won't open it any more and nor will anything else.  PDF files are based
arround PostScript files and do have some similarities but they ARE NOT
postscript files any more than your Ford Focus is a Model-T, based on it
yes, looks like it, to some degree, but is it? NOPE!

--
Jay

 That isn't quite true.  PostScript files have a .PS extention 
 and require some processing through Acrobat Distiller to turn 
 them into a .PDF file.
 Illustrators native file format is .AI which is a variation 
 of the Adobe Encapsulated PostScript or .EPS file format.
 
 --
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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Mark Drew
*cough* CFEclipse...

I dont even have HomeSite installed.. I used to lve CFStudio and moved
over to CFeclipse.. only thing that kept CFStudio on my machine was
the docs it had.. and homesite hasnt got all the docs I want on it
so.. meh... why should I hunt it?

On 4/18/05, David Manriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hummm
 
 Coldfusion Studio still playing around here on mi PC :)
 
 The BEST TOOL for CF'ers
 
 Adobe is the Devil and the World is going to end.
 Pray to the Lord!.
 
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 De: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Abril de 2005 15:40
 Para: CF-Talk
 Asunto: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 HS+ is alive and well on my machine :)
 
 On 4/18/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 4/18/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Note: Homesite+ is already dead.
  
   - Calvin
 
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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
You're a Mac user aren't you? 

 Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are 
 just mappings.

  The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
  
  PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but 
  whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...
 
 While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a 
 .PS Illustrator won't open it any more and nor will anything 
 else.  PDF files are based arround PostScript files and do 
 have some similarities but they ARE NOT postscript files any 
 more than your Ford Focus is a Model-T, based on it yes, 
 looks like it, to some degree, but is it? NOPE!



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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Am I bollox.

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 10:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

You're a Mac user aren't you? 

 Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are 
 just mappings.

  The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
  
  PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but 
  whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...
 
 While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a 
 .PS Illustrator won't open it any more and nor will anything 
 else.  PDF files are based arround PostScript files and do 
 have some similarities but they ARE NOT postscript files any 
 more than your Ford Focus is a Model-T, based on it yes, 
 looks like it, to some degree, but is it? NOPE!





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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
Then how come you are having so much dificulty grasping this simple concept.  
For your illustration I have here included the first few lines of a PostScript 
file...

- Start PS -

%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Creator: groff version 1.09
%%CreationDate: Tue Mar 21 09:47:57 1995
%%DocumentNeededResources: font Times-Bold
%%+ font Times-Italic
%%+ font Times-Roman
%%+ font Courier
%%+ font Symbol
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: procset grops 1.09 0
%%Pages: 14
%%PageOrder: Ascend
%%Orientation: Portrait
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
%%BeginResource: procset grops 1.09 0
/setpacking where{
pop
currentpacking
true setpacking
}if
/grops 120 dict dup begin
/SC 32 def
/A/show load def
/B{0 SC 3 -1 roll widthshow}bind def
/C{0 exch ashow}bind def
/D{0 exch 0 SC 5 2 roll awidthshow}bind def

- END PS 

And here are the first few lines of THE SAME FILE but converted into PDF format.

- Start PDF -

%PDF-1.4
%âãÏÓ
55 0 obj/H[556 274]/Linearized 1/E 6280/L 51235/N 14/O 58/T 50088
endobj
 
xref
55 13
16 0 n
000830 0 n
000556 0 n
000910 0 n
001039 0 n
001142 0 n
001750 0 n
002632 0 n
003519 0 n
003705 0 n
003891 0 n
004072 0 n
004148 0 n
trailer
/Size 68/Prev 50077/Root 56 0 R/Info 54 0 
R/ID[f9548518cd5114453b92fcb9c024dc95bae31d555f2a3b4da609f02cbdd35aa5]
startxref
0
%%EOF
 
57 0 obj/Length 193/Filter/FlateDecode/L 244/S 195stream
xÚb```f``ª‘Œox€—9p€¸3Š¦…l’o·Úzâ€\̪ÒJ
¬\óRÊ+f,-/. *`3÷
-- End PDF ---

As you can see they are VERY DIFFERENT!!!

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 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 19 April 2005 10:27
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 Am I bollox.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19 April 2005 10:31
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 You're a Mac user aren't you? 
 
  Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are just 
  mappings.
 
   The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
   
   PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF 
 format, but 
   whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...
  
  While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a .PS 
  Illustrator won't open it any more and nor will anything else.  PDF 
  files are based arround PostScript files and do have some 
 similarities 
  but they ARE NOT postscript files any more than your Ford 
 Focus is a 
  Model-T, based on it yes, looks like it, to some degree, but is it? 
  NOPE!
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
They are yes BUT ONLY VISUALLY - the data in each is exactly the same.

I fully understand PostScript - I am not arguing that point - I am well
aware that PostScript is programming language (I have done enough work on it
to know) - BUT your point was that PDF were not postscript files - I know
they are.

A PDF file just a PostScript file which has already been interpreted by an
RIP and made into clearly defined objects - BUT PDF's are still
PostScriptfiles just in a PDF guise (i.e. post RIP'ed)

So, if I have a .cfm template which does this cfdump var=#now()# and run
it - is this a ColdFusion template or an HTML template?  I think you will
find it is the former






-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 10:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

Then how come you are having so much dificulty grasping this simple concept.
For your illustration I have here included the first few lines of a
PostScript file...

- Start PS -

%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Creator: groff version 1.09
%%CreationDate: Tue Mar 21 09:47:57 1995
%%DocumentNeededResources: font Times-Bold
%%+ font Times-Italic
%%+ font Times-Roman
%%+ font Courier
%%+ font Symbol
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: procset grops 1.09 0
%%Pages: 14
%%PageOrder: Ascend
%%Orientation: Portrait
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
%%BeginResource: procset grops 1.09 0
/setpacking where{
pop
currentpacking
true setpacking
}if
/grops 120 dict dup begin
/SC 32 def
/A/show load def
/B{0 SC 3 -1 roll widthshow}bind def
/C{0 exch ashow}bind def
/D{0 exch 0 SC 5 2 roll awidthshow}bind def

- END PS 

And here are the first few lines of THE SAME FILE but converted into PDF
format.

- Start PDF -

%PDF-1.4
%âãÏÓ
55 0 obj/H[556 274]/Linearized 1/E 6280/L 51235/N 14/O 58/T 50088
endobj
 
xref
55 13
16 0 n
000830 0 n
000556 0 n
000910 0 n
001039 0 n
001142 0 n
001750 0 n
002632 0 n
003519 0 n
003705 0 n
003891 0 n
004072 0 n
004148 0 n
trailer
/Size 68/Prev 50077/Root 56 0 R/Info 54 0
R/ID[f9548518cd5114453b92fcb9c024dc95bae31d555f2a3b4da609f02cbdd35aa5]
startxref
0
%%EOF
 
57 0 obj/Length 193/Filter/FlateDecode/L 244/S 195stream
xÚb```f``ª‘Œox€—
9p€¸3Š¦…l’o·Úzâ€\̪ÒJ
¬\óRÊ+f,-/. *`3÷
-- End PDF ---

As you can see they are VERY DIFFERENT!!!

--
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 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 19 April 2005 10:27
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 Am I bollox.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19 April 2005 10:31
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 You're a Mac user aren't you? 
 
  Fit will if I map .PS to adobe acrobat. File extensions are just 
  mappings.
 
   The extension does not determine the file type directly.  
   
   PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF 
 format, but 
   whatever way you look at it they are PostScript files...
  
  While that is true, I bet if you change your PDF file to a .PS 
  Illustrator won't open it any more and nor will anything else.  PDF 
  files are based arround PostScript files and do have some 
 similarities 
  but they ARE NOT postscript files any more than your Ford 
 Focus is a 
  Model-T, based on it yes, looks like it, to some degree, but is it? 
  NOPE!
 
 
 
 
 
 



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Installing CFMX 6.1 on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition - Problems

2005-04-19 Thread Ian Vaughan
Hi
 
I am trying to install CFMX 6.1 on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition,
however after the install I am getting the message below.  The
Coldfusion service does not start thus I cannot reach the Coldfusion
Administrator. Also there are no .cfm .cfml entries in the Application
Configuration listing ?? and when trying to manually start the
Coldfusion Service it throws an error 'Windows could not start the
Coldfusion MX Application Server on Local Computer.
 
At the bottom of the default-err.log is the following
 
Could not determine local hostname.
The default server is not running
 
My default Web Site on Port 80 is running...
 
Any ideas on why this may be occurring ?? Any help would be most
appreciated
 
 
---Message Received After Installation

 
You have successfully completed the first step in installing Coldfusion
MX.
 
However, the Coldfusion service does not appear to be running, the web
server connectors did not install successfully, and the web server
and/or website could not be reached on port 80.  Possible reasons
include the Coldfusion service failing to start, blocked 2901 or 51010
ports, or the web server and/or website is not running or is not
configured to listen on port 80 (in which case this is not an error).
 
Please complete the following steps to complete the installation:
 
1.) Consult the Installation guide on how to manually configure the web
server connector;
2.) Ensure any firewall software blocking ports 2901 or 51010 is
disabled.
3.) Ensure the Coldfusion service is started.
4.) Manually configure your web server connectors,
5.) Confirm your web server and websites are started, and
6.) Continue your installation by logging in to the Configuration Wizard
at http://localhost/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm
 


 
I have tried manually configuring IIS  by using the following from the
cmd prompt
c:\cfusionmx\runtime\jre\bin\java -cp c:\cfusionmx\runtime\lib 
-jar c:\cfusionmx\runtime\lib\wsconfig.jar -ws IIS -site 0 
-map .cfm,.cfc,.cfml,.jsp -v
But receive 
Created File c:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll
Could not connect to any JRun/Coldfusion servers on localhost.
Possible Causes
-Server not running
- Start Macromedia JRun4 or Coldfusion MX server
- Server Running
- JNDI listen port in jndi.properties blocked by TCP/IP filtering or
firewall on server
- host restriction in security.properties blocking communication
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Regular expression in Homesite

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Roche
Hi,

Is there a person out there who is able to write a regulart expression that
I can use in Homesite+ to change a line that says:

cfset var Insert = 0 /

To one that says

cfset var qInsert = 0 /

 can be any string


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Re: Regular expression in Homesite

2005-04-19 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Kevin Roche wrote:
 
 Is there a person out there who is able to write a regulart expression that
 I can use in Homesite+ to change a line that says:
 
 cfset var Insert = 0 /
 
 To one that says
 
 cfset var qInsert = 0 /
 
  can be any string

Asuming  does not contain any spaces replace
cfset var ([^ ]+)Insert
with
cfset var qInsert\1

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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Matt Woodward
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no need to compete with Microsoft.

Since you asked I'll go ahead and correct you, at least from my perspective 
which is based on what I've heard, seen, and where I see things going. ;-)

Both companies haven't really got competing products sold as so, and
while I see it mentioned a lot, Avalon is not a foundation for RIA
development.

Sure it is if you think outside the browser, which is where this is all going.  
It's called a Rich Internet Application, not a Rich Browser Application.  An 
internet application doesn't necessarily need to run inside a browser.  At this 
point even with Flex the browser is pretty irrelevant except as a delivery 
mechanism.  MS's idea with this (and I've heard them talk about it in person a 
few times) is to have a Flex-like experience that's integrated into the OS, but 
that can be distributed like an internet app.  From what I understand their 
concept is very similar to IBM's now-abandoned Sash, which is most certainly an 
internet app but has nothing to do with a browser. 

 Avalon is merely the new surrounding framework for graphics
(vectorized), and XAML would be the MXML for WinForms, not the web. XAML
introduces a new way of building Windows applications by using the XML
format XAML (which is actually a direct translation of Avalon function
calls) so people, just like Flex, design the interface of their
application with XML but purely for pure Windows applications. 

But it's an internet-enabled Windows application, which is why I think you're a 
bit off the mark with some of your assumptions.  This space is still being 
defined right now and there will be a whole new class of RIAs that won't run in 
a traditional web browser.  There's absolutely going to be competition between 
all they players, and as usual MS is going to be late to the party, which is 
why Macromedia and Adobe need to pounce on the opportunity they have right now. 
 We're already seeing non-browser-based internet apps (albeit a bit poorly 
implemented in my mind) with Central, and from what I've seen and heard MS 
wants to take that notion one step further and have native OS integration with 
these types of applications.

This is also precisely what Macromedia has said they'd like to see happen with 
Flash as well--the ability to build internet apps that run on the desktop.  The 
only difference is the Flash-based apps would be cross-platform, which is where 
Macromedia and Adobe would have a distinct advantage over Microsoft.

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread James Smith
 They are yes BUT ONLY VISUALLY - the data in each is exactly the same.

That is like saying that gifs and jpgs are the same because they appear the
same in your graphics editor, they just look different when opened in note
pad!

 I fully understand PostScript - I am not arguing that point - 
 I am well aware that PostScript is programming language (I 
 have done enough work on it to know) - BUT your point was 
 that PDF were not postscript files - I know they are.

No, they are not.

 A PDF file just a PostScript file which has already been 
 interpreted by an RIP and made into clearly defined objects - 
 BUT PDF's are still PostScriptfiles just in a PDF guise 
 (i.e. post RIP'ed)

My point exactly, and once the PostScript file has been interpreted and made
into clearly defined objects it is no longer PostScript!

 So, if I have a .cfm template which does this cfdump 
 var=#now()# and run it - is this a ColdFusion template or 
 an HTML template?  I think you will find it is the former

This again works for me, the CF template is on the server with the CFDUMP in
it, but as soon as CF has finished processing it and hands it to the clients
browser it is no longer CF, it has been converted into HTML and isn't CF any
more, just like the aforementioned PostScript file has been converted into
PDF format and isn't PS any more.

Anyway, this isn't really a CF-Talk discussion anymore so shall we end it
here? (although I am more than happy to continue in CF-Community ;-)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
LOL, indeed...lets agree to disagree...go check out Adobe..





















PDF's are postscriptalbeit underneath ;-)









-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 12:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

 They are yes BUT ONLY VISUALLY - the data in each is exactly the same.

That is like saying that gifs and jpgs are the same because they appear the
same in your graphics editor, they just look different when opened in note
pad!

 I fully understand PostScript - I am not arguing that point - 
 I am well aware that PostScript is programming language (I 
 have done enough work on it to know) - BUT your point was 
 that PDF were not postscript files - I know they are.

No, they are not.

 A PDF file just a PostScript file which has already been 
 interpreted by an RIP and made into clearly defined objects - 
 BUT PDF's are still PostScriptfiles just in a PDF guise 
 (i.e. post RIP'ed)

My point exactly, and once the PostScript file has been interpreted and made
into clearly defined objects it is no longer PostScript!

 So, if I have a .cfm template which does this cfdump 
 var=#now()# and run it - is this a ColdFusion template or 
 an HTML template?  I think you will find it is the former

This again works for me, the CF template is on the server with the CFDUMP in
it, but as soon as CF has finished processing it and hands it to the clients
browser it is no longer CF, it has been converted into HTML and isn't CF any
more, just like the aforementioned PostScript file has been converted into
PDF format and isn't PS any more.

Anyway, this isn't really a CF-Talk discussion anymore so shall we end it
here? (although I am more than happy to continue in CF-Community ;-)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Micha Schopman
I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
can we only call it a RIA when technologies like Flex, XAML come in
place. What defines a RIA? Internet connectivity? Used technologies?
Amount of interactivity? Type of application?

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The case of the disappearing admin settings.....

2005-04-19 Thread Duncan
I installed the settings to cf7 admin the other day with a car file, and
everything was fine until this morning.  all the scheduled tasks have
'disappeared'!  However they still seem to be running (I can see them
in the scheduler log), and all the other settings pulled in with the
CAR file are still there.

I have tried restarting the JRun service and the cf server but to no avail.

Why have they stopped displaying? Can I get them back? Any suggestions?

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Online presence detection with CF Gateways

2005-04-19 Thread Duncan
I was looking at this service: http://www.onlinestatus.org/ as an idea
we have, problem is, its crap and unreliable.  If you use the jabber
indicator, you get the service signing in every 30 seconds, therefor a
popup and annoying 'ding'.

The crux of the idea would be to have a webservice that checks the
online status of the person when the page loads and if they are
available make it show, and perhaps even put in a little flash app
that allows chat on the property page with the person via IM.

Anyone think this is viable? Any pointers on how I might go about setting i=
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RE: Regular expression in Homesite

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Roche
Thanks Jochem. Works well I was using cfset var [A-Za-z]*Insert which gave
an error

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 11:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Regular expression in Homesite


Kevin Roche wrote:

 Is there a person out there who is able to write a regulart expression
that
 I can use in Homesite+ to change a line that says:

 cfset var Insert = 0 /

 To one that says

 cfset var qInsert = 0 /

  can be any string

Asuming  does not contain any spaces replace
cfset var ([^ ]+)Insert
with
cfset var qInsert\1

Jochem



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Re: SMS and billing

2005-04-19 Thread Graham Pearson
How we have been doing this for the past 5 years is to let Peachtree do 
the accounting. We charge $3.00 per Month per SMS Device or Alphanumeric 
Pager on a yearly contract. We just educate the end-user that they are 
responsible for any additional SMS charges on their bill if they go over 
the providers daily limit as we just provide the gateway for co-workers 
to send text messages to the device which is alot easier than decoding a 
numeric page.

The Application I wrote has 551 Devices configured and has sent 33035 
Web Based Messages and 4598 Email Messages to these devices since July 
1, 2004. The application is Powered by CFMX and MySQL with a Flash 
Frontend.

Nathan Strutz wrote:

Hey all,

I know, I know, nobody wants to talk about anything but the 
Adobe/Macromedia merger, but I need a little assistance.

We're talking about SMS messaging and the possibility of billing our 
customers through their mobile phone bill. I understand how the CF part 
technically works, SMS gateways and stuff. What I don't know is how we 
actually bill them.  Does anyone have any links or know where I can go 
to find this kind of info? Anybody know how it works?

thanks!

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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Matt Woodward
I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
can we only call it a RIA when technologies like Flex, XAML come in
place. What defines a RIA? Internet connectivity? Used technologies?
Amount of interactivity? Type of application?

That was my point I suppose--the line is getting so blurred that the 
distinctions become a bit irrelevant.  If I had to make a distinction I'd say 
it really falls to the delivery and update mechanism.  With a browser-based app 
you (potentially) get a new version of the app every time you open the browser. 
 With a desktop app you have to explicitly download the new version and install 
it.  Tools like Sash, Rebol, and Central put this process somewhere 
in-between--you get notified a new version is available, hit update and you're 
done.  This is what's so interesting to me about this space right now, the fact 
that it's being defined while we watch.  Whatever comes out of it it's going to 
change the way we think about these traditional distinctions in my opinion.

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Re: Need pointing in right direction for Flash Styles

2005-04-19 Thread Greg Johnson
Ya.  Thats what I started doing with the listbox, its just that I would 
rather it fade in with the rest instead of just pop on when the fade is 
done.  I don't know why its forcing that text to be visable. :-(

dave wrote:

hide it  like
   listbox_mc._visible = false;

then depending on when you want to unhide it call it back on button click or 
whatever
listbox_mc._visible = true;


From: Greg Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:08 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Need pointing in right direction for Flash Styles 

Ok. I got the colors and fonts working. Now I just have the problem 
that when I have a component in a sub-movie and I set the sub-movie's 
alpha to 0, any text the component uses still shows up.

So say on a frame I have a movie object called listdialog, and in the 
movie I have a list box component and 3 button components. If I set 
listdialog to an alpha of 0 and put a stop in the AS I won't see the 
button shapes, but I will see there text labels.

What am I missing?

  


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Re: MM - Adobe discussions

2005-04-19 Thread Cutter (CF-Talk)
While I admit that the initial news is important to all of us, and the 
various predictions and debates have been enlightening and/or amusing, 
isn't it now time for much of this talk to move over to cf-community?

Matt Woodward wrote:

I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
can we only call it a RIA when technologies like Flex, XAML come in
place. What defines a RIA? Internet connectivity? Used technologies?
Amount of interactivity? Type of application?



That was my point I suppose--the line is getting so blurred that the 
distinctions become a bit irrelevant.  If I had to make a distinction I'd say 
it really falls to the delivery and update mechanism.  With a browser-based 
app you (potentially) get a new version of the app every time you open the 
browser.  With a desktop app you have to explicitly download the new version 
and install it.  Tools like Sash, Rebol, and Central put this process 
somewhere in-between--you get notified a new version is available, hit update 
and you're done.  This is what's so interesting to me about this space right 
now, the fact that it's being defined while we watch.  Whatever comes out of 
it it's going to change the way we think about these traditional distinctions 
in my opinion.

Matt



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Re: MM - Adobe discussions

2005-04-19 Thread Adrocknaphobia
I strongly agree. Considering everything is speculation and subject to
the same validity as crystal ball reading...

-Adam

On 4/19/05, Cutter (CF-Talk) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I admit that the initial news is important to all of us, and the
 various predictions and debates have been enlightening and/or amusing,
 isn't it now time for much of this talk to move over to cf-community?
 
 Matt Woodward wrote:
 
 I agree when you are talking about RIA for the desktop, but even then,
 where do you draw the line between a RIA or a common Windows
 application? I believe there is too much going about the term RIA. Can
 we call a P2P application a RIA since it has internet connectivity? Or
 can we only call it a RIA when technologies like Flex, XAML come in
 place. What defines a RIA? Internet connectivity? Used technologies?
 Amount of interactivity? Type of application?
 
 
 
 That was my point I suppose--the line is getting so blurred that the 
 distinctions become a bit irrelevant.  If I had to make a distinction I'd 
 say it really falls to the delivery and update mechanism.  With a 
 browser-based app you (potentially) get a new version of the app every time 
 you open the browser.  With a desktop app you have to explicitly download 
 the new version and install it.  Tools like Sash, Rebol, and Central put 
 this process somewhere in-between--you get notified a new version is 
 available, hit update and you're done.  This is what's so interesting to me 
 about this space right now, the fact that it's being defined while we watch. 
  Whatever comes out of it it's going to change the way we think about these 
 traditional distinctions in my opinion.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Bryan F. Hogan
I did this with BlogMan and you should have heard the out cry for from
everyone about not knowing what it was and how to use it. All the whining.
They didn't like how they had to republish MT when they'd make a design
change so I said ok, lets do this. But then they didn't like the file name
extensions

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Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

And on IIS!

That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI when
!--#include file=filename.html --
Can be done for free on almost any Apache server ;-)


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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
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 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 The extension does not determine the file type directly.
 
 PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but
 whatever
 way you look at it they are PostScript files...

True - but more exactly they could be called Postscript Plus since while
the pure data may be postscript PDFs contain more than just postscript
information.

At the very least there's also authoring and entitlement, revision history
and lots of other document management type stuff not see in a regular
postscript file.

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Thank you..I am not saying they are .PS PostScript but more that they
are - PostScript beneath the hoodno arguments. 

;-)


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Sent: 19 April 2005 14:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

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 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 The extension does not determine the file type directly.
 
 PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but
 whatever
 way you look at it they are PostScript files...

True - but more exactly they could be called Postscript Plus since while
the pure data may be postscript PDFs contain more than just postscript
information.

At the very least there's also authoring and entitlement, revision history
and lots of other document management type stuff not see in a regular
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RE: Bloomberg article

2005-04-19 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:29 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Bloomberg article
 
  I do.  I leave Flash Player on that machine though and Windows Servers
  probably account for a decent percentage of computer connected to the
  internet.
 
 They may well do, but the statistics clearly state that they refer to
 Internet-enabled desktops not computer connected to the internet so
 your
 servers don't count.

Actually, just to stick my nose it, they don't really say enough for this
argument.

They don't have anything about how they gathered the information, when,
which what sample, what versions they were looking for or how they defined
terms (for example I think a server could have an internet-connected desktop
- since a Windows server, at least, has a desktop and might be connected to
the internet).

Without more information on the actual process they used I just can't see
how you could assert or deny anything related to that chart.

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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Keith Gaughan
Jim Davis wrote:

PDF 's **ARE** PostScript files - they are just in PDF format, but
whatever
way you look at it they are PostScript files...
 
 True - but more exactly they could be called Postscript Plus since while
 the pure data may be postscript PDFs contain more than just postscript
 information.

More like PDF = PS-+: As stated, PDF is based on a simple _subset_ of
PS, but it has a lot of extra features on top of that.


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Stopping this argument once and for all: PS and PDF

2005-04-19 Thread Keith Gaughan
PDF is based on a subset of PS. It does not contain the full PS 
language. In fact, IIRC, unlike PS it's not even Turing complete.
On top of this subset, Adobe added a bunch of extra stuff, such
as encryption, compression, watermarking, metadata, c.

PDF != PS, but they share a common subset.

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Re: Bloomberg article

2005-04-19 Thread Keith Gaughan
dave wrote:

 he just doesnt like flashpaper because he doesnt like the way it displays 
 fonts

Far beyond that. I'm saying that not only do I dislike it (because it's
less powerful), it's redundant as a product as far as Adobe is
concerned.

I think the use of rasterised fonts is a step back from the use of
outline fonts, even for mobile devices.

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Log Viewer in CF Administrator, Vers. 5

2005-04-19 Thread Montgomery Chris Contr AFSFC/SFPA
Howdy,

I like the way the log viewer displays logs, but you can
view only 10 entries per page in CF Administrator. Does
anyone know if this can be customized to view more than 
10 entries on a page? Using CF version 5. Thanks!

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Re: Installing CFMX 6.1 on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition - Problems

2005-04-19 Thread George Abraham
Do you have McAfee or any other anti-virus software doing
port-filtering on the server?

George



On 4/19/05, Ian Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - Server Running
 - JNDI listen port in jndi.properties blocked by TCP/IP filtering or
 firewall on server
 - host restriction in security.properties blocking communication
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RE: Log Viewer in CF Administrator, Vers. 5

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Open the page up and modify the query/script?





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Sent: 19 April 2005 15:35
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Subject: Log Viewer in CF Administrator, Vers. 5

Howdy,

I like the way the log viewer displays logs, but you can
view only 10 entries per page in CF Administrator. Does
anyone know if this can be customized to view more than 
10 entries on a page? Using CF version 5. Thanks!

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Re: Log Viewer in CF Administrator, Vers. 5

2005-04-19 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 19 Apr 2005 15:35 pm, Montgomery Chris Contr AFSFC/SFPA wrote:
 anyone know if this can be customized to view more than
 10 entries on a page? Using CF version 5. Thanks!

Decrypt the page templates and change the number.

Might invalidate your license.

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JVM settings on CFMX7 on JRUN4

2005-04-19 Thread Michael Traher
I've upgraded my developer copy of CFMX from 6.1 to 7.

I have chosen the multiple server on JRUN 4 version.

I need to add a jar file (for the particular jdbc driver we use) to
the class path.

Where do I do that now?  It no longer appears in the CFADMIN options.

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Easier way to loop though weekends?

2005-04-19 Thread Emmet McGovern
I'm writing a script to insert groups of weekend dates in a db.  I've
managed to do it but I'm curious if I've written the most efficient way.
The dates will be entered by a form and I needed to compensate for the user
entering a start date that wasn't a weekend date, otherwise the first
conditional loop would fail.  Check my code below.  I've set the recurdate
and number of weekends manually for examples sake.  I adjust at the
beginning and end to ensure the next date set in the loop will be a weekend.
For some reason it just seems sloppy.

Thanks,
emmet


cfoutput

CFSET RecurDate = #CreateDate(2005, 4, 19)#

cfloop index=RecurNum FROM=1 TO=5

cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust, RecurDate)#

cfloop condition=DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) eq 1 OR DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) EQ 7
#recurdate#br
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', 1, RecurDate)#
/cfloop
cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif

CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust,
RecurDate)#
brbr


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RE: JVM settings on CFMX7 on JRUN4

2005-04-19 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
You should be able to just drop it into the lib folder of your server.  If
it's a default install just place it in
C:\JRun4\servers\cfusion\cfusion-ear\cfusion-war\WEB-INF\lib



-Original Message-
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Sent: 19 April 2005 16:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: JVM settings on CFMX7 on JRUN4

I've upgraded my developer copy of CFMX from 6.1 to 7.

I have chosen the multiple server on JRUN 4 version.

I need to add a jar file (for the particular jdbc driver we use) to
the class path.

Where do I do that now?  It no longer appears in the CFADMIN options.

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Re: CFMX7 schedule task every 60 seconds.

2005-04-19 Thread Greg Fuller
Thanks Dave,

Oddly enough, I have since discovered that the cfschedule tag WILL let you  
schedule in increments of less than 60 seconds, even though you can't do  
it administrator.

--Greg

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:50:46 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know how to get the cfmx7 scheduler to schedule a
 task for execution more frequently than 60 seconds.  If you
 enter less than 60 in the seconds box, you get the error
 The task interval must be greater then 60 seconds.. I'm
 willing to invoke sorcery or edit obscure configuration files
 if necessary.

 I don't know if you can shorten that interval from within CF - my guess  
 is
 no - but there's no reason why you can't add multiple tasks to the CF
 scheduler that run the same page. You may also be able to schedule tasks  
 to
 run more frequently from the OS task scheduler (or you might not, for  
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RE: Installing CFMX 6.1 on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition - Problems

2005-04-19 Thread Ian Vaughan
Sorted out the problem it was to do with a problem with the lan card and
IIS 

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From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 15:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Installing CFMX 6.1 on Windows Server 2003 Web Edition -
Problems

Do you have McAfee or any other anti-virus software doing port-filtering
on the server?

George



On 4/19/05, Ian Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - Server Running
 - JNDI listen port in jndi.properties blocked by TCP/IP filtering 
 or firewall on server
 - host restriction in security.properties blocking communication 
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Petty Cash/Disbursements

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Colman
I am looking for a very, very simple app (in CF, of course) to track petty
cash disbursements. I would rather not re-invent the wheel. 

Does anyone know of anything out there?

TNX

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Re: Petty Cash/Disbursements

2005-04-19 Thread Ray Champagne
Enron/Worldcom probably has some cheap software that you could use.  :)



Richard Colman wrote:
 I am looking for a very, very simple app (in CF, of course) to track petty
 cash disbursements. I would rather not re-invent the wheel. 
 
 Does anyone know of anything out there?
 
 TNX
 
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RE: Easier way to loop though weekends?

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Aebig
Looks good... but my opinion might be biased. =]

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Easier way to loop though weekends?


I'm writing a script to insert groups of weekend dates in a db.  I've
managed to do it but I'm curious if I've written the most efficient way.
The dates will be entered by a form and I needed to compensate for the user
entering a start date that wasn't a weekend date, otherwise the first
conditional loop would fail.  Check my code below.  I've set the recurdate
and number of weekends manually for examples sake.  I adjust at the
beginning and end to ensure the next date set in the loop will be a weekend.
For some reason it just seems sloppy.

Thanks,
emmet


cfoutput

CFSET RecurDate = #CreateDate(2005, 4, 19)#

cfloop index=RecurNum FROM=1 TO=5

cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust, RecurDate)#

cfloop condition=DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) eq 1 OR DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) EQ 7
#recurdate#br
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', 1, RecurDate)#
/cfloop
cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif

CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust,
RecurDate)#
brbr


/cfloop
/cfoutput





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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Burns, John D
Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand the
concept of a web server. 


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

 Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now

 have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites

 better.  CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a 
 programmer but wants to use cfinclude so his menu only has to 
 exist in one file.

That is an incredibly expensive liscense fee being paid to do an SSI
when !--#include file=filename.html -- Can be done for free on
almost any Apache server ;-)

--
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Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

2005-04-19 Thread Jeff Waris
I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I run
CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally. So I
set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I can
serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I get
this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled by
why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't Coldfusion? I
have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for CF5.
The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar happen
to them?

Thanks!
Jeff


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Re: JVM settings on CFMX7 on JRUN4

2005-04-19 Thread Michael Traher
Thanks - that worked

On 4/19/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You should be able to just drop it into the lib folder of your server.  If
 it's a default install just place it in
 C:\JRun4\servers\cfusion\cfusion-ear\cfusion-war\WEB-INF\lib
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19 April 2005 16:01
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: JVM settings on CFMX7 on JRUN4
 
 I've upgraded my developer copy of CFMX from 6.1 to 7.
 
 I have chosen the multiple server on JRUN 4 version.
 
 I need to add a jar file (for the particular jdbc driver we use) to
 the class path.
 
 Where do I do that now?  It no longer appears in the CFADMIN options.
 
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RE: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

2005-04-19 Thread Figy, Kam
Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in the CF log
file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. Logs are in
C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)

/k

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site... 

I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I
run
CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally.
So I
set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I
can
serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I
get
this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled
by
why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
Coldfusion? I
have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for
CF5.
The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar
happen
to them?

Thanks!
Jeff




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Re: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

2005-04-19 Thread Nathan Strutz
Right, there's actually 2 settings you can do to get around having to 
look at the error log, and 1 really great workaround.

Setting 1:
CF Administrator, settings page, turn off Enable HTTP status codes

Setting 2:
IE Tools  Options  Advanced, turn off Show friendly HTTP error messages

Complete workaround:
Get firefox (www.getfirefox.com).

-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/


Figy, Kam wrote:
 Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in the CF log
 file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. Logs are in
 C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)
 
 /k
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site... 
 
 I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I
 run
 CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally.
 So I
 set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I
 can
 serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I
 get
 this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled
 by
 why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
 Coldfusion? I
 have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
 application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for
 CF5.
 The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
 others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar
 happen
 to them?
 
 Thanks!
 Jeff
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Easier way to loop though weekends?

2005-04-19 Thread Emmet McGovern
Nope...

Duh.

cfoutput
CFSET RecurDate = #CreateDate(2005, 4, 19)#
cfloop index=RecurNum FROM=1 TO=5
cfif DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) GTE 2 AND DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) LTE 6
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', evaluate(7 - DayOfWeek(RECURDATE)),
RecurDate)#
/cfif
cfloop condition=DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) eq 1 OR DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) EQ 7
#recurdate#br
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', 1, RecurDate)#
/cfloop
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', 1, RecurDate)#
brbr
/cfloop
/cfoutput

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Easier way to loop though weekends?

Looks good... but my opinion might be biased. =]

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:05 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Easier way to loop though weekends?


I'm writing a script to insert groups of weekend dates in a db.  I've
managed to do it but I'm curious if I've written the most efficient way.
The dates will be entered by a form and I needed to compensate for the user
entering a start date that wasn't a weekend date, otherwise the first
conditional loop would fail.  Check my code below.  I've set the recurdate
and number of weekends manually for examples sake.  I adjust at the
beginning and end to ensure the next date set in the loop will be a weekend.
For some reason it just seems sloppy.

Thanks,
emmet


cfoutput

CFSET RecurDate = #CreateDate(2005, 4, 19)#

cfloop index=RecurNum FROM=1 TO=5

cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust, RecurDate)#

cfloop condition=DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) eq 1 OR DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) EQ 7
#recurdate#br
CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', 1, RecurDate)#
/cfloop
cfset adjust = evaluate(DayOfWeek(RECURDATE) - 7)
cfif adjust lt 0
cfset adjust = evaluate(-adjust)
/cfif

CFSET RecurDate = #DateAdd('d', adjust,
RecurDate)#
brbr


/cfloop
/cfoutput







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RE: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread David Manriquez
God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)


David Manriquez Desarrollador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(+56-2) 43 00 155



-Mensaje original-
De: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Abril de 2005 12:39
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

Right, there's actually 2 settings you can do to get around having to 
look at the error log, and 1 really great workaround.

Setting 1:
CF Administrator, settings page, turn off Enable HTTP status codes

Setting 2:
IE Tools  Options  Advanced, turn off Show friendly HTTP error messages

Complete workaround:
Get firefox (www.getfirefox.com).

-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/


Figy, Kam wrote:
 Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in the CF log
 file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. Logs are in
 C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)
 
 /k
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site... 
 
 I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I
 run
 CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally.
 So I
 set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I
 can
 serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I
 get
 this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled
 by
 why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
 Coldfusion? I
 have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
 application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for
 CF5.
 The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
 others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar
 happen
 to them?
 
 Thanks!
 Jeff
 
 
 
 
 



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RE: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread John Stanley
right

-Original Message-
From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Pope


God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)


David Manriquez Desarrollador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(+56-2) 43 00 155



-Mensaje original-
De: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Abril de 2005 12:39
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

Right, there's actually 2 settings you can do to get around having to 
look at the error log, and 1 really great workaround.

Setting 1:
CF Administrator, settings page, turn off Enable HTTP status codes

Setting 2:
IE Tools  Options  Advanced, turn off Show friendly HTTP error messages

Complete workaround:
Get firefox (www.getfirefox.com).

-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/


Figy, Kam wrote:
 Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in the CF log
 file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. Logs are in
 C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)
 
 /k
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site... 
 
 I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I
 run
 CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally.
 So I
 set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I
 can
 serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I
 get
 this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled
 by
 why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
 Coldfusion? I
 have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
 application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for
 CF5.
 The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
 others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar
 happen
 to them?
 
 Thanks!
 Jeff
 
 
 
 
 





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Re: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)
 
 
 David Manriquez Desarrollador
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (+56-2) 43 00 155

Huhdoes he use CF? or perhaps you meant to post to CF-Community?

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
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RE: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)

Hijacked thread and OT.




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RE: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread Kerry
if there isnt a new CFPOPE can we keep it off the list please?

-Original Message-
From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 17:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Pope


God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)


David Manriquez Desarrollador
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(+56-2) 43 00 155



-Mensaje original-
De: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Abril de 2005 12:39
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

Right, there's actually 2 settings you can do to get around having to
look at the error log, and 1 really great workaround.

Setting 1:
CF Administrator, settings page, turn off Enable HTTP status codes

Setting 2:
IE Tools  Options  Advanced, turn off Show friendly HTTP error messages

Complete workaround:
Get firefox (www.getfirefox.com).

-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/


Figy, Kam wrote:
 Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in the CF log
 file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. Logs are in
 C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)

 /k

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

 I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone could help. I
 run
 CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use internally.
 So I
 set another one up on our development box for a new site. NO biggie. I
 can
 serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process a CFM page I
 get
 this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am completely baffled
 by
 why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
 Coldfusion? I
 have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this (setting the
 application security lower...), but it seems these solutions were for
 CF5.
 The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither is a bunch of
 others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have anything similar
 happen
 to them?

 Thanks!
 Jeff










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RE: New Pope

2005-04-19 Thread David Manriquez
Don't you know that?

CF was the Support for the First Electronic Pope Election..

:-P

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Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Re: New Pope

 God Bless to the new Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph RatZinger)
 
 
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Huhdoes he use CF? or perhaps you meant to post to CF-Community?

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CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Matthew J. Vecera
Hi,

Hoping someone can help.

We have a site that is in the process of moving to a new host.  We setup a 
subdomain on the NEW server so that they can test the application before 
switching over completely.

The big difference between the two locations is the mail service.  In the 
old location, we had the CF Administrator point to an iMail mailserver (on 
a different box) ... worked great.

In the new environment (WIN2K3 if that matters) the client wants to use the 
SMTP services installed via IIS (so its the same box as the web server) to 
send all the mail.  (I would have thought that you needed MSExchange to do 
this.)

I have the CFAdministrator pointing to the local IP Address and the 
connection verified fine.  However, I cannot send any mail.  Nothing shows 
up in the DROP or BADMAIL folders - nothing show up anywhere.

The client needs to know that the mail sending portion of the application 
works before they make the switch official and I change the subdomain 
(test.mydomain.com) over to the real domain name (www.mydomain.com).

Anyone have experience setting it up this way?

Matthew

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Re: Bloomberg article

2005-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
I think you hit the nail on the head. I could easily see Acrobat supporting PDF 
for print and FlashPDF (formerly Flashpaper) for online presentation. Same 
source document, different distillation, to use the Adobe terminology.

You mean the new FlashPDF (formerly flashpaper)? I love it. 

 Everyone who's been using flashpaper on the sites I use it on rave 
 about.
 
 You may not like it but the uses sure do, slick, clean, fast, no adobe 
 plugin necessary, sure it needs a flash one but who doesn't have 
 that?

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Re: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Howie Hamlin
It's possible that the server is accepting the mail but is then unable to send 
it.  Make sure that the server is not blocked in the firewall from sending on 
port 25.

HTH,
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--- On Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:04 PM, Matthew J. Vecera scribed: ---

 Hi,
 
 Hoping someone can help.
 
 We have a site that is in the process of moving to a new host.  We
 setup a 
 subdomain on the NEW server so that they can test the application
 before 
 switching over completely.
 
 The big difference between the two locations is the mail service.  In
 the 
 old location, we had the CF Administrator point to an iMail
 mailserver (on 
 a different box) ... worked great.
 
 In the new environment (WIN2K3 if that matters) the client wants to
 use the 
 SMTP services installed via IIS (so its the same box as the web
 server) to 
 send all the mail.  (I would have thought that you needed MSExchange
 to do 
 this.)
 
 I have the CFAdministrator pointing to the local IP Address and the
 connection verified fine.  However, I cannot send any mail.  Nothing
 shows 
 up in the DROP or BADMAIL folders - nothing show up anywhere.
 
 The client needs to know that the mail sending portion of the
 application 
 works before they make the switch official and I change the subdomain
 (test.mydomain.com) over to the real domain name (www.mydomain.com).
 
 Anyone have experience setting it up this way?
 
 Matthew
 
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RE: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Kerry
Well, if CF verifies the connection, then we have to assume that its the IIS
setup of SMTP, which I have found can be a bit fussy, but is stable enough
once setup.

What I have found is often the issue is the masquerade domain and fully
qualified domain (SMTP site properties - delivery - properties) to make
this work I have put the domain name of a domain i own into both properties,
without www. or .com.


-Original Message-
From: Matthew J. Vecera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 18:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?


Hi,

Hoping someone can help.

We have a site that is in the process of moving to a new host.  We setup a
subdomain on the NEW server so that they can test the application before
switching over completely.

The big difference between the two locations is the mail service.  In the
old location, we had the CF Administrator point to an iMail mailserver (on
a different box) ... worked great.

In the new environment (WIN2K3 if that matters) the client wants to use the
SMTP services installed via IIS (so its the same box as the web server) to
send all the mail.  (I would have thought that you needed MSExchange to do
this.)

I have the CFAdministrator pointing to the local IP Address and the
connection verified fine.  However, I cannot send any mail.  Nothing shows
up in the DROP or BADMAIL folders - nothing show up anywhere.

The client needs to know that the mail sending portion of the application
works before they make the switch official and I change the subdomain
(test.mydomain.com) over to the real domain name (www.mydomain.com).

Anyone have experience setting it up this way?

Matthew

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Graeme
I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the first to
embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized back in the
mid-90's. 

As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all of
them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and others
have become accomplished coders.

I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and
offensive.

---
Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension 


 -Original Message-
 From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even 
 understand the concept of a web server. 
 
 
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 Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, 
 Inc. | Web Developer



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Re: Need pointing in right direction for Flash Styles

2005-04-19 Thread Greg Johnson
Ok.  Figured it out.  Had to embed the font and set the _global.style to 
use the embeded font.

Greg Johnson wrote:

Ya.  Thats what I started doing with the listbox, its just that I would 
rather it fade in with the rest instead of just pop on when the fade is 
done.  I don't know why its forcing that text to be visable. :-(

dave wrote:

  

hide it  like
  listbox_mc._visible = false;

then depending on when you want to unhide it call it back on button click or 
whatever
listbox_mc._visible = true;


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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:08 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Need pointing in right direction for Flash Styles 

Ok. I got the colors and fonts working. Now I just have the problem 
that when I have a component in a sub-movie and I set the sub-movie's 
alpha to 0, any text the component uses still shows up.

So say on a frame I have a movie object called listdialog, and in the 
movie I have a list box component and 3 button components. If I set 
listdialog to an alpha of 0 and put a stop in the AS I won't see the 
button shapes, but I will see there text labels.

What am I missing?

 




  


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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Tony Weeg
Yah, and i have to agree as well.. I was a graphic designer for 2
years or so, then web programmer/graphic designer, and now i do it
all.

so if it werent for Graphic design i wouldnt be here :)

tw

On 4/19/05, Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the first to
 embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized back in the
 mid-90's.
 
 As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all of
 them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and others
 have become accomplished coders.
 
 I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and
 offensive.
 
 ---
 Kevin Graeme
 Cooperative Extension Technology Services
 University of Wisconsin-Extension
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even
  understand the concept of a web server.
 
 
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  Inc. | Web Developer
 
 

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Re: Easier way to loop though weekends?

2005-04-19 Thread Larry White
Couldn't you just use the following directly?

cfset TheDAte = CreateDAte(2005,4,19)
cfset NextSaturday = DateAdd(d,7 - DayOfWeek(theDate),TheDAte)
cfset NextSunday = DateAdd(d,1,NextSaturday)

Nope...

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Correct way to test for nested members

2005-04-19 Thread jacksonj
Say I've got a structure of structures:

variables.transportation.boat.aluminum.jon

What's the correct way to test for the the definition of, say, the jon var, 
if I'm also unsure of the presence of the containing struct(s)?

Thanks,
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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Burns, John D
I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic
designers are not, by nature, programmers.  That's why we distinguish
between the two. The start of my post was pointing out that Adobe may be
able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a simple way for
non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done on websites (send
email, include files, etc).  Of course there are lots of tricks that one
can do with a web server, but usually to understand those, you have to
have worked extensively with web servers or studied the subject to know
about SSI.  Most designers I have met don't know much about the
capabilities of web servers at all (virtual directories being the
simplest example) and I don't fault them for this as it is not their
job.  It's the same way that I wouldn't expect most programmers on this
list to know all of the keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in
Photoshop. It's not that we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's
not in our daily set of tasks.  I know there are exceptions to certain
rules, but I would say that most people who label themselves as
designers probably don't know much about programming.  If they do know
programming, they would probably classify themselves as
designer/developers.  It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm
just explaining the basis for my statements. 


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the
first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized
back in the mid-90's. 

As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all
of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and
others have become accomplished coders.

I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and
offensive.

---
Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of
Wisconsin-Extension 


 -Original Message-
 From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand 
 the concept of a web server.
 
 
 John Burns
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | 
 Web Developer





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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Burns, John D
Nobody asked you Tony :-)  J/K... You're a perfect example for the post
I just made.  You may have started as a designer but now you at least
classify yourself as also being a programmer because of the experience
you gained.  My comment was for pure designers who are not programmers.



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-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

Yah, and i have to agree as well.. I was a graphic designer for 2 years
or so, then web programmer/graphic designer, and now i do it all.

so if it werent for Graphic design i wouldnt be here :)

tw

On 4/19/05, Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the 
 first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized 
 back in the mid-90's.
 
 As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all

 of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools 
 and others have become accomplished coders.
 
 I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and 
 offensive.
 
 ---
 Kevin Graeme
 Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of 
 Wisconsin-Extension
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand 
  the concept of a web server.
 
 
  John Burns
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. |

  Web Developer
 
 



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RE: Correct way to test for nested members

2005-04-19 Thread Steve Brownlee
The easiest way is the isDefined function.  It has apparently fallen out of
favor lately, but it will do just fine in this case.

cfif isDefined(variables.transportation.boat.aluminum.jon)
   cfset JonIsThere = variables.transportation.boat.aluminum.jon
cfelse
   cfset JonIsThere = 0
/cfif 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Correct way to test for nested members

Say I've got a structure of structures:

variables.transportation.boat.aluminum.jon

What's the correct way to test for the the definition of, say, the jon var,
if I'm also unsure of the presence of the containing struct(s)?

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Re: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Matthew Vecera
You would think - but then mail would be pooling up in one of the folders.  I 
checked the firewall and the IPSec policy and there is nothing blocking SMTP or 
POP on their respective ports.

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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Tony Weeg
you suck, get over it :)

jk.

and im sorry, i just cant agree.  im both.  100% i know more about
photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the
developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all
good.

just retract your statement and we will stop.  or is this like pen*s
envy and you cant design?

aight mang... take it easy...

by the way... new job?  didnt you work somewhere else last year?

tony

On 4/19/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic
 designers are not, by nature, programmers.  That's why we distinguish
 between the two. The start of my post was pointing out that Adobe may be
 able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a simple way for
 non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done on websites (send
 email, include files, etc).  Of course there are lots of tricks that one
 can do with a web server, but usually to understand those, you have to
 have worked extensively with web servers or studied the subject to know
 about SSI.  Most designers I have met don't know much about the
 capabilities of web servers at all (virtual directories being the
 simplest example) and I don't fault them for this as it is not their
 job.  It's the same way that I wouldn't expect most programmers on this
 list to know all of the keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in
 Photoshop. It's not that we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's
 not in our daily set of tasks.  I know there are exceptions to certain
 rules, but I would say that most people who label themselves as
 designers probably don't know much about programming.  If they do know
 programming, they would probably classify themselves as
 designer/developers.  It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm
 just explaining the basis for my statements.
 
 
 John Burns
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
 Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the
 first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized
 back in the mid-90's.
 
 As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all
 of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and
 others have become accomplished coders.
 
 I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and
 offensive.
 
 ---
 Kevin Graeme
 Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of
 Wisconsin-Extension
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand
  the concept of a web server.
 
 
  John Burns
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. |
  Web Developer
 
 

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RE: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread RADEMAKERS Tanguy
does the mail server maintain some kind of log file? 

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From: Matthew Vecera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

You would think - but then mail would be pooling up in one of 
the folders.  I checked the firewall and the IPSec policy and 
there is nothing blocking SMTP or POP on their respective ports.



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RE: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...

2005-04-19 Thread Jeff Waris
It was a connecter issue... 

Anyone else who is interested. Below re-establishes all the correct
connectors and I was good to go.
C:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors\Remove_ALL_connectors.bat
C:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors\IIS_connector.bat

Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:39 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site...
 
 
 Right, there's actually 2 settings you can do to get around having to 
 look at the error log, and 1 really great workaround.
 
 Setting 1:
 CF Administrator, settings page, turn off Enable HTTP status codes
 
 Setting 2:
 IE Tools  Options  Advanced, turn off Show friendly HTTP 
 error messages
 
 Complete workaround:
 Get firefox (www.getfirefox.com).
 
 -nathan strutz
 http://www.dopefly.com/
 
 
 Figy, Kam wrote:
  Occasionally CF does not serve proper error pages. Look in 
 the CF log 
  file, it will contain the actual CF error that occurred. 
 Logs are in 
  C:\cfusionmx\logs (exception.log iirc)
  
  /k
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:08 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Issue getting Coldfusion to process pages on new site... 
  
  I had an odd issue the other day and I was hoping someone 
 could help. 
  I run CFMX here and we have some testing IP addresses that we use 
  internally. So I
  set another one up on our development box for a new site. 
 NO biggie. I
  can
  serve out HTML pages just fine. As soon as I go to process 
 a CFM page I
  get
  this error. Error 500: Internal Server Error. I am 
 completely baffled
  by
  why it couldn't serve the page. IIS sees the site, why doesn't
  Coldfusion? I
  have tried some solutions from macromedia regarding this 
 (setting the
  application security lower...), but it seems these 
 solutions were for
  CF5.
  The new site is NOT in the WWWROOT directory, but neither 
 is a bunch of
  others and they work. So I am at a loss? Anyone have 
 anything similar
  happen
  to them?
  
  Thanks!
  Jeff
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

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Re: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Howie Hamlin
You could always grab a copy of iMS-Lite which is free and, IMHO, way better 
than using the built-in SMTP server.  Even if you don't wind up using iMS-Lite 
the download includes two SMTP test tools which you might find useful (one is 
used to send test mail via an SMTP server and includes details about the 
protocol and such and the other is an SMTP test server which does't relay mail 
but it does accept it and provides a detailed log).

Regards,

Howie

--- On Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:03 PM, Matthew Vecera scribed: ---

 You would think - but then mail would be pooling up in one of the
 folders.  I checked the firewall and the IPSec policy and there is
 nothing blocking SMTP or POP on their respective ports.  
 


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How to create query results into a list

2005-04-19 Thread Chris McCarthy
Hi guys,

I've got a database column which is currently storing comma seperated values 
(i.e. 1,2,3,4 etc.).  What I'm trying to do is compare each seperate value to 
another database column which also has seperated values (i.e. 7,8,9,10).  I'm 
not sure how to parse those values so CF compares each individual one.  Right 
now it seems like it's just comparing the first value, or maybe the whole 
combination but not going through each value in sequence to see what matches.

My question is, do I have to pull the data from the columns, set up an array, 
use the ArrayToList function, then have it compare?  Is it easier to just have 
the query filter it initially?  If so, what is the best approach? Thanks! :)

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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Adrocknaphobia
John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ majority of
people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers who can't even write
HTML. Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and why it's so popular.

Again, thats not to say someone cant be skilled in both areas, but
considering the vast amount of knowledge it requires to be a master of
either, there are many highly skilled graphic designers (that I have
worked with) who can only create HTML with a WYSIWYG. Because coding
isn't important to a focused graphic designer. Plus not all graphic
designers design for the web. Most paid design work is still in print
and other media.

John is right in making an 'assumption' (not slander, not a slur) that
the majority of graphic designers are not coders.

-Adam

On 4/19/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you suck, get over it :)
 
 jk.
 
 and im sorry, i just cant agree.  im both.  100% i know more about
 photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the
 developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all
 good.
 
 just retract your statement and we will stop.  or is this like pen*s
 envy and you cant design?
 
 aight mang... take it easy...
 
 by the way... new job?  didnt you work somewhere else last year?
 
 tony
 
 On 4/19/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic
  designers are not, by nature, programmers.  That's why we distinguish
  between the two. The start of my post was pointing out that Adobe may be
  able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a simple way for
  non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done on websites (send
  email, include files, etc).  Of course there are lots of tricks that one
  can do with a web server, but usually to understand those, you have to
  have worked extensively with web servers or studied the subject to know
  about SSI.  Most designers I have met don't know much about the
  capabilities of web servers at all (virtual directories being the
  simplest example) and I don't fault them for this as it is not their
  job.  It's the same way that I wouldn't expect most programmers on this
  list to know all of the keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in
  Photoshop. It's not that we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's
  not in our daily set of tasks.  I know there are exceptions to certain
  rules, but I would say that most people who label themselves as
  designers probably don't know much about programming.  If they do know
  programming, they would probably classify themselves as
  designer/developers.  It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm
  just explaining the basis for my statements.
 
 
  John Burns
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
  Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the
  first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized
  back in the mid-90's.
 
  As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all
  of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and
  others have become accomplished coders.
 
  I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and
  offensive.
 
  ---
  Kevin Graeme
  Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of
  Wisconsin-Extension
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
  
   Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand
   the concept of a web server.
  
  
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   Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. |
   Web Developer
 
 
 
 

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Re: CF7, IIS, Subdomain, SMTP - how to send mail?

2005-04-19 Thread Matthew Vecera
You weren't kidding about the fussy part!  The solution was a two-step one.  
First, I did as you said, just domain in both those fields and nothing else - 
not the subdomain, not the extension, nothing.  Then I found out that I needed 
to add the IP Address of the machine to allow ITSELF to relay.  (Properties : 
Access : Relay / Only the list below / Add the IP address).  I would have never 
thought that the smtp server would not allow itself to send emails by default. 
If I change EITHER of these two components, everything stops working.

Thank You Very Much!

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RE: How to create query results into a list

2005-04-19 Thread Tim Do
I'd just use the CF_ListCompare tag.


-Original Message-
From: Chris McCarthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How to create query results into a list


Hi guys,

I've got a database column which is currently storing comma seperated
values (i.e. 1,2,3,4 etc.).  What I'm trying to do is compare each
seperate value to another database column which also has seperated
values (i.e. 7,8,9,10).  I'm not sure how to parse those values so CF
compares each individual one.  Right now it seems like it's just
comparing the first value, or maybe the whole combination but not going
through each value in sequence to see what matches.

My question is, do I have to pull the data from the columns, set up an
array, use the ArrayToList function, then have it compare?  Is it easier
to just have the query filter it initially?  If so, what is the best
approach? Thanks! :)

-Chris



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RE: How to create query results into a list

2005-04-19 Thread Adrian Lynch
loop list=col_1 index=i
loop list=col_2 index=j
compare i to j here
/loop
/loop

Or check cflib.org for one.

Ade

-Original Message-
From: Chris McCarthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 April 2005 19:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How to create query results into a list


Hi guys,

I've got a database column which is currently storing comma seperated values
(i.e. 1,2,3,4 etc.).  What I'm trying to do is compare each seperate value
to another database column which also has seperated values (i.e. 7,8,9,10).
I'm not sure how to parse those values so CF compares each individual one.
Right now it seems like it's just comparing the first value, or maybe the
whole combination but not going through each value in sequence to see what
matches.

My question is, do I have to pull the data from the columns, set up an
array, use the ArrayToList function, then have it compare?  Is it easier to
just have the query filter it initially?  If so, what is the best approach?
Thanks! :)

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Re: How to create query results into a list

2005-04-19 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Yep...cflib.org has some list functions that will help you compare lists 
(find different or same elementsthat sort of stuff)

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Struts, CF MX, and java integration

2005-04-19 Thread Bob Jacoby
I'm working on a test project of using struts in a CF environment. I
have it all working where the struts config file routes between cfm
pages correctly, but I'm having problems using some of the struts tag
libraries within CF (specifically retrieving objects set on to the
request scope from struts). The exact same code works in JSP if I
include it within my cfm page (using getPageContext().include(...)).
That's why I'm asking on this list instead of a struts list. I must be
missing something in how CFM and java interact and what objects are
available to CFM...
 
For the struts folks - I have my struts-config file set up to initially
load the startPage.cfm and return to the startPage.cfm if validation
fails within my ActionForm's validate method. The problem I'm having is
when the validation does fail and errors are returned as ActionErrors
(which are placed in the request scope).
 
snippet (startPage.cfm)
cfimport taglib=/WEB-INF/struts-logic.tld prefix=logic

logic:messagesNotPresent
No errors from CFM!
/logic:messagesNotPresent
 
logic:messagesPresent
Errors found from CFM!
/logic:messagesPresent

 
When run the above code prints No errors from CFM! even after it gets
redirected to the startPage.cfm when validation failed. I would have
expected Errors found from CFM! 
 
However, if I add the following after /logic:messagesPresent in the
startPage.cfm:
cfset getPageContext().include(errors.jsp)
 
and have the following in the errors.jsp:
%@ taglib uri=/tags/struts-logic prefix=logic %
 
logic:messagesNotPresent 
No errors from JSP!
/logic:messagesNotPresent
 
logic:messagesPresent
Errors found from JSP!
/logic:messagesPresent
 
When this is run from within the startPage.cfm after getting redirected
to (after validation fails) I get 
No errors from CFM! Errors found from JSP
 
I'm confused in why the same code within the same request returns
different results. I thought CFM could use request scope variables set
by java?
 
Any pointers?
 
Thanks,
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Admin API

2005-04-19 Thread Sam Smith
Hello all,

I've been reading through the Admin API for a little while now and it
seems that the function that I'm looking isn't exposed through it. What
I'm looking for is this. My boss asked me to create an app that would
clear the template cache of all our 17 CFMX 7 servers at once. I thought
I could do that through the admin api, but no luck it seems. I may be
missing something.

Any thoughts? Is this possible?

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Re: Admin API

2005-04-19 Thread Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC
Ooh, Sam...

I'd love to help, which is why I opened this thread first. Now I find
myself asking you to let us know if you find the answer!

Sorry! But... A+ for Best Question.

J

On 4/19/05, Sam Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I've been reading through the Admin API for a little while now and it
 seems that the function that I'm looking isn't exposed through it. What
 I'm looking for is this. My boss asked me to create an app that would
 clear the template cache of all our 17 CFMX 7 servers at once. I thought
 I could do that through the admin api, but no luck it seems. I may be
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Re: How to create query results into a list

2005-04-19 Thread Larry White
Actually, Chris, what you should do is change your DB to eliminate
this kind of storage. It's a bad practice. What would have been a
simple table join now becomes an exercise in list maipulations. You
will continue to have problems with this setup. 

I've got a database column which is currently storing comma seperated
values (i.e. 1,2,3,4 etc.).  What I'm trying to do is compare each
seperate value to another database column which also has seperated
values (i.e. 7,8,9,10).  I'm not sure how to parse those values so CF
compares each individual one.  Right now it seems like it's just
comparing the first value, or maybe the whole combination but not going
through each value in sequence to see what matches.

My question is, do I have to pull the data from the columns, set up an
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to just have the query filter it initially?  If so, what is the best
approach? Thanks! :)

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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Kevin Graeme
John didn't say most designers aren't coders. I wouldn't have had a problem
with that. But John said, Most don't even understand the concept of a web
server. As a designer, I called bullshit. Designers made the web
mainstream.

ColdFusion appeals to many designers because of its tag-based roots. When
doing web sites, the lines between designer and coder can quickly become
blurred and I'm glad that a language like ColdFusion exists to make those
distinctions even blurrier. Design isn't just about making pretty pictures.
Design is much more often about communication. Clearly presenting
information. And CF is an approachable tool for facilitating communication.

Along these lines, I see great potential for purchase of Macromedia by
Adobe. For the last several years, Adobe has been moving into the areas of
presentation of XML content, content management, document management,
collaborative editing, etc. leveraging J2EE. They have enterprise
server-side tools as well as the traditional desktop design tools that
everyone is familiar with.

Coder vs. Designer? It's all about communication. And designers are tech
savvier than people here probably think.

---
Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension
 


 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:32 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
 Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ 
 majority of people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers 
 who can't even write HTML. Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and 
 why it's so popular.
 
 Again, thats not to say someone cant be skilled in both 
 areas, but considering the vast amount of knowledge it 
 requires to be a master of either, there are many highly 
 skilled graphic designers (that I have worked with) who can 
 only create HTML with a WYSIWYG. Because coding isn't 
 important to a focused graphic designer. Plus not all graphic 
 designers design for the web. Most paid design work is still 
 in print and other media.
 
 John is right in making an 'assumption' (not slander, not a 
 slur) that the majority of graphic designers are not coders.
 
 -Adam



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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Burns, John D
Lol, I'd say that you are not the normal designer though...that was my
point. Anyway I'll move on.

As for my job, my company got sold (again).  This is the 3rd time in
like 4 years. 2nd time in the last 18 months since I started here.  I
think this time we'll be with this company for a while though. 


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

you suck, get over it :)

jk.

and im sorry, i just cant agree.  im both.  100% i know more about
photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the
developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all
good.

just retract your statement and we will stop.  or is this like pen*s
envy and you cant design?

aight mang... take it easy...

by the way... new job?  didnt you work somewhere else last year?

tony

On 4/19/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic 
 designers are not, by nature, programmers.  That's why we distinguish 
 between the two. The start of my post was pointing out that Adobe may 
 be able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a simple way for 
 non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done on websites (send 
 email, include files, etc).  Of course there are lots of tricks that 
 one can do with a web server, but usually to understand those, you 
 have to have worked extensively with web servers or studied the 
 subject to know about SSI.  Most designers I have met don't know much 
 about the capabilities of web servers at all (virtual directories 
 being the simplest example) and I don't fault them for this as it is 
 not their job.  It's the same way that I wouldn't expect most 
 programmers on this list to know all of the keyboard shortcuts or 
 graphical tricks in Photoshop. It's not that we're stupid and couldn't

 learn it, but it's not in our daily set of tasks.  I know there are 
 exceptions to certain rules, but I would say that most people who 
 label themselves as designers probably don't know much about 
 programming.  If they do know programming, they would probably 
 classify themselves as designer/developers.  It's all semantics and 
 doesn't really matter, I'm just explaining the basis for my
statements.
 
 
 John Burns
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | 
 Web Developer
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
 I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the 
 first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized 
 back in the mid-90's.
 
 As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all

 of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools 
 and others have become accomplished coders.
 
 I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and 
 offensive.
 
 ---
 Kevin Graeme
 Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of 
 Wisconsin-Extension
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even understand 
  the concept of a web server.
 
 
  John Burns
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. |

  Web Developer
 
 



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RE: Petty Cash/Disbursements

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Colman
I actually started looking for the Enron/Worldcom Software Company before
I got it ... Google didn't have anything.

Everybody's a wise guy around here ;-)) 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Petty Cash/Disbursements

Enron/Worldcom probably has some cheap software that you could use.  :)



Richard Colman wrote:
 I am looking for a very, very simple app (in CF, of course) to track 
 petty cash disbursements. I would rather not re-invent the wheel.
 
 Does anyone know of anything out there?
 
 TNX
 
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RE: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Burns, John D
Yeah, Adam's got my back. It's that Hopkins brotherhood kickin' in :-) 


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers.
Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ majority of people
who use dreamweaver are graphic designers who can't even write HTML.
Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and why it's so popular.

Again, thats not to say someone cant be skilled in both areas, but
considering the vast amount of knowledge it requires to be a master of
either, there are many highly skilled graphic designers (that I have
worked with) who can only create HTML with a WYSIWYG. Because coding
isn't important to a focused graphic designer. Plus not all graphic
designers design for the web. Most paid design work is still in print
and other media.

John is right in making an 'assumption' (not slander, not a slur) that
the majority of graphic designers are not coders.

-Adam

On 4/19/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you suck, get over it :)
 
 jk.
 
 and im sorry, i just cant agree.  im both.  100% i know more about 
 photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the 
 developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all

 good.
 
 just retract your statement and we will stop.  or is this like pen*s 
 envy and you cant design?
 
 aight mang... take it easy...
 
 by the way... new job?  didnt you work somewhere else last year?
 
 tony
 
 On 4/19/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic 
  designers are not, by nature, programmers.  That's why we 
  distinguish between the two. The start of my post was pointing out 
  that Adobe may be able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a 
  simple way for non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done 
  on websites (send email, include files, etc).  Of course there are 
  lots of tricks that one can do with a web server, but usually to 
  understand those, you have to have worked extensively with web 
  servers or studied the subject to know about SSI.  Most designers I 
  have met don't know much about the capabilities of web servers at 
  all (virtual directories being the simplest example) and I don't 
  fault them for this as it is not their job.  It's the same way that 
  I wouldn't expect most programmers on this list to know all of the 
  keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in Photoshop. It's not that 
  we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's not in our daily set of

  tasks.  I know there are exceptions to certain rules, but I would 
  say that most people who label themselves as designers probably 
  don't know much about programming.  If they do know programming, 
  they would probably classify themselves as designer/developers.  
  It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm just explaining
the basis for my statements.
 
 
  John Burns
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. |

  Web Developer
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
 
  I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the 
  first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized

  back in the mid-90's.
 
  As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost 
  all of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg 
  tools and others have become accomplished coders.
 
  I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and

  offensive.
 
  ---
  Kevin Graeme
  Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of 
  Wisconsin-Extension
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
  
   Again, we're talking graphic designers.  Most don't even 
   understand the concept of a web server.
  
  
   John Burns
   Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc.

   | Web Developer
 
 
 
 



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Re: macromedia and Adobe?!

2005-04-19 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Is a rose by any other name still a rose???...I know I don't care.now 
shh or move this thread plz ;-)

Cheers

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VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
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web: www.electricedgesystems.com 


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Re: Petty Cash/Disbursements

2005-04-19 Thread Ray Champagne
LOL...sorry.  Wish I had a real answer for you now!

Ray

Richard Colman wrote:
 I actually started looking for the Enron/Worldcom Software Company before
 I got it ... Google didn't have anything.
 
 Everybody's a wise guy around here ;-)) 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Petty Cash/Disbursements
 
 Enron/Worldcom probably has some cheap software that you could use.  :)
 
 
 
 Richard Colman wrote:
 
I am looking for a very, very simple app (in CF, of course) to track 
petty cash disbursements. I would rather not re-invent the wheel.

Does anyone know of anything out there?

TNX

Rick Colman




 
 
 
 
 

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ColdFusion 5 and Windows 2k Latest Patch set incompatability

2005-04-19 Thread Trey Rouse
I'm surprised I've not seen chatter on this, but let me describe what we
observed.

 

We have a cf5 cluster running on window 2000 advanced server.  This cluster
connects to a 3rd windows 2000 server for the actual web root.

 

We've configured our CF5 and IIS5 to run under named domain accounts to lock
down security, and so that the cf services have permissions to read and
execute files on the remote host.

 

Friday April 15, we applied the latest critical patches to member1 of the
cluster.  As soon as it rebooted, it demonstrates behavior of locking the
system process at 100% cpu and the server is virtually unusable from CPU
lock.

 

Unfortunately the same patch set got downloaded on the 2nd member, but
wasn't set to apply.  A power blip on Saturday forced a reboot, patches
applied and same condition presented on this server.

 

 

Attempting to back patches off did not fix the issue (one patch was a MS
kernel patch, so we're not too surprised).

 

Next, we reloaded windows 2k advanced server and patched the server
completely (including last weeks patches).  CF5 will NOT install on a fully
patched server now.  The installer detects a Microsoft runtime needing to be
updated (even though it has been), tries to update, and fails to load.

 

The only solution we had was to only load to SP4 on windows 2k and install
cf5.  We've just got our server back on line since Friday, and have been
unwilling to patch it again, with reasonable fear of the same problem
occurring.  However, we're now exposed to Sasser and other security issues
post SP4.  Once we've restored another cluster member we'll experiment with
incremental patching.

 

I'm curious if anyone else has seen this behavior, if anyone is aware of a
hot-fix from MM or MS that would correct the issue?

 

We recognize that only a small portion of the community would be running a
cf5 cluster in the configuration we are using (named accounts, and working
with iis virtual hosts that point to external file shares).  We do have a
cf5 stand alone box that we patched and it doesn't demonstrate the behavior
at this time.  So we believe it is specific to named accounts.

 

And ideas?

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: Bloomberg article

2005-04-19 Thread Keith Gaughan
Adrocknaphobia wrote:

 Uhhh... considering the post you replied to cut+pasted one of several
 paragraphs which explicity talked about FlashPaper... exactly what are
 you talking about?

The FAQ mentions FlashPaper nowhere. Nowhere. It mentions Flash alright,
but nowhere does it mention FlashPaper. Do a search on the document if
you don't belive me.

 PDF on a mobile device does not make sense. PDF is for PRINT. Why
 would someone want a printable document on thier phone?

Then what's the argument in favour of FlashPaper, or anything that
breaks documents down into fixed-size pages (PowerPoint-style cards
being another matter) on a mobile device?

 Not to mention the quality and filesize issues.

Quality is definitely in PDF's favour. As is file size. That's part of
where my complaint about the use of rasterised fonts comes from: they
bulk up the size of the file. You can take two views on how to store
them: (a) one big rasterisation that's resized as need be, or (b) lots
of little ones, each for whichever size the font will be displayed at.
Both are problematic, both from a bulk and a quality point of view.
Outlines, on the other hand, are mathematical descriptions of the letter
forms and are therefore compact. You needn't store all the letterforms
for the font you're using, only the ones used in the document. Also,
they can be resized without loss of quality. Modern font rendering
technologies use outline fonts exclusively, even on screens.

 FlashPaper is perfect for the mobile
 document. Don't expect them to get rid of it any time soon, the only
 thing you'll most likely see is a different name for it.

K.

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