Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
Must make for interesting support from Adobe. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 02:50:26 2007 Subject: Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject) On 6/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, performance wise ColdFusion will fluctuate between OS? Not exactly the best advert for performance etc. If one OS is faster wouldn't more people move or plan for that OS? It's not so much ColdFusion's performance as the underlying JVM. Some Java applications behave better on one OS than another, often because of the actual JVM. That's why you get different performance from Sun's JVM and IBM's JVM and BEA's JVM etc. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279969 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
Does IBM JVM work with Jrun/CF7/8 (on Windows)? This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 02:50:26 2007 Subject: Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject) On 6/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, performance wise ColdFusion will fluctuate between OS? Not exactly the best advert for performance etc. If one OS is faster wouldn't more people move or plan for that OS? It's not so much ColdFusion's performance as the underlying JVM. Some Java applications behave better on one OS than another, often because of the actual JVM. That's why you get different performance from Sun's JVM and IBM's JVM and BEA's JVM etc. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279970 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Choosing an ORM
Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279971 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Choosing an ORM
I'm totally biased, so I won't give you an opinion one over the other - however, to note, if you are using stored procs, then you won't be able to use Transfer. Simply put - it writes all that SQL for you, so you don't have to... so why would you need the integration? Mark On 6/4/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279972 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it can support them. HTH N -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279973 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it can support them. HTH N -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279974 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Does IBM JVM work with Jrun/CF7/8 (on Windows)? CF is certified on some versions of WebSphere, WebSphere uses IBMs JVM so by extension CF works. Don't know about JRun though. Jochem ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279975 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it can support them. HTH N -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279976 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
No worries, Yeah, if you are working on large imports/data management then I would look at using SP's/DTS/SSIS but I would no doubt trigger them asynchronous as well and I would probably not use the web to control the jobs outcome (as in a job completion notification) as long running requests like that as a bitch to handle and are wasted resources unless you have a dedicated instance doing all that legwork etc. You want to encrypt all of your data in and out of your app? Location: London. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it
RE: Choosing an ORM
Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it can support them. HTH N -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned
RE: Choosing an ORM
Yeah, Basically just a standard encrypt()/decrypt() on the data as it passes in and out of the database. But rather than hard coding the key into a CFM file and storing it in Application.EncKey I was thinking about encapsulating it in its own object, makes life simple as I can have it injected as a constructor into my DAO's for when the public/pull data from the database. Location: West Sussex. Thanks Neil, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM No worries, Yeah, if you are working on large imports/data management then I would look at using SP's/DTS/SSIS but I would no doubt trigger them asynchronous as well and I would probably not use the web to control the jobs outcome (as in a job completion notification) as long running requests like that as a bitch to handle and are wasted resources unless you have a dedicated instance doing all that legwork etc. You want to encrypt all of your data in and out of your app? Location: London. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose
Re: Choosing an ORM
Couldn't you just use SSL or are you storing the data encrypted in a column? This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 10:56:03 2007 Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Yeah, Basically just a standard encrypt()/decrypt() on the data as it passes in and out of the database. But rather than hard coding the key into a CFM file and storing it in Application.EncKey I was thinking about encapsulating it in its own object, makes life simple as I can have it injected as a constructor into my DAO's for when the public/pull data from the database. Location: West Sussex. Thanks Neil, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM No worries, Yeah, if you are working on large imports/data management then I would look at using SP's/DTS/SSIS but I would no doubt trigger them asynchronous as well and I would probably not use the web to control the jobs outcome (as in a job completion notification) as long running requests like that as a bitch to handle and are wasted resources unless you have a dedicated instance doing all that legwork etc. You want to encrypt all of your data in and out of your app? Location: London. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm
RE: Choosing an ORM
It's for encrypting data in the Column when its stored in the database. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 11:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM Couldn't you just use SSL or are you storing the data encrypted in a column? This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 10:56:03 2007 Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Yeah, Basically just a standard encrypt()/decrypt() on the data as it passes in and out of the database. But rather than hard coding the key into a CFM file and storing it in Application.EncKey I was thinking about encapsulating it in its own object, makes life simple as I can have it injected as a constructor into my DAO's for when the public/pull data from the database. Location: West Sussex. Thanks Neil, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM No worries, Yeah, if you are working on large imports/data management then I would look at using SP's/DTS/SSIS but I would no doubt trigger them asynchronous as well and I would probably not use the web to control the jobs outcome (as in a job completion notification) as long running requests like that as a bitch to handle and are wasted resources unless you have a dedicated instance doing all that legwork etc. You want to encrypt all of your data in and out of your app? Location: London. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE:
WebCharts3D - WYSIWYG editor not working
Does anybody use the WebCharts3D WYSIWYG designer? Anyone know why mine may not work? This email message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this email message from your computer. CAUTION: The Agency of Human Services cannot ensure the confidentiality or security of email transmissions. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279982 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfgrid
Good tip and helpful, but alas not the solution. The applet will load when accessing the site through localhost, but not when accessed through the IP address. Also, other cfform elements do work correctly. I have been trying to track someone down who has admin priviledges in IIS thinking that it might the problem. Still taking any suggestions. On 6/2/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having trouble with the cfgrid tag. My situation is such that on my developement server I am able to access the cfgrid applet everything works great when accessed through http://localhost/..., but when accessing from the machines IP address (http://255.255.255.255/...) from the server or anywhere else it does not load and I get the nasty box with the red X. Make sure that the path to CFIDE exists on your server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279985 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Choosing an ORM
On Monday 04 Jun 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In fact, re-reading the docs re: SP's I am not even sure you can cache them... You can in CF8 -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly e-enable professional supply-chains on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279986 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: cfgrid
Good tip and helpful, but alas not the solution. The applet will load when accessing the site through localhost, but not when accessed through the IP address. Also, other cfform elements do work correctly. I have been trying to track someone down who has admin priviledges in IIS thinking that it might the problem. Still taking any suggestions. If the applet loads through localhost, but doesn't load through your virtual server, you may well have a misconfigured virtual server - that is, the URL path to /CFIDE doesn't exist on that server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279987 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: WebCharts3D - WYSIWYG editor not working
WindowsXP, CFMX7 devel version. Starts to load, but when it gets to the chart-choice screen, it stays grey (no images), clicking around on it sort-of works (occasionally I get a dialog), but the console throws errors, and the program never draws a window (unusable). The error is java.lang.OutOfMemoryError (my machine is *not* out of memory). -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: WebCharts3D - WYSIWYG editor not working Have you got any more information? I use mine with no problems at all, is this the version that comes bundled with cf? Or a privately owned copy? Are you on windows? Mac? Linux? What error messages do you get? Thanks, Rob This email message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this email message from your computer. CAUTION: The Agency of Human Services cannot ensure the confidentiality or security of email transmissions. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279988 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Yeah you can't cache in anything other than CF8, Rob -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 13:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM On Monday 04 Jun 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In fact, re-reading the docs re: SP's I am not even sure you can cache them... You can in CF8 -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly e-enable professional supply-chains on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279989 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
In fact, re-reading the docs re: SP's I am not even sure you can cache them... -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Cheers Neil, Yeah I agree there are some issues with stored procs, but things like caching are something I don't really have to deal with in this application, the site isn't public facing and the majority of the data within the app needs to be 'real-time' so we tend not to cache. However, that IS an exciting feature in Scorpio, can't wait to upgrade :-) I know that debugging and things can be a bit of a hassle, but generally all the queries are written in CF as a proof of concept first, once we have a working model then we'll migrate them over to stored procs for the production version. Also a large amount of our more complex queries are for data imports and moving large amount of data around, so being able to have SQL server do all the donkey work is a god send. I've not done much testing on performance myself but I like the concept of the separation using them gives and if we get boosted performance as a result then that's just a fringe benefit. The other benefit of the stored proc method is portability of the database, There is a possibility that in the future we'll have to bolt on some more JAVA based apps to the server and if we can have them share the same query set without having to rewrite it all, then that'd be nice too. Any ideas on that encryption stuff? I'm trying to figure out the best way to implement it, I'm almost 100% convinced giving it a class makes sense, especially if working with a factory, I can define my key in the XML and have it inject an instance into all my DAO's with the minimum of hassle. Thanks again mate, where abouts in the world are you sending from? By the way you spell 'arse' I'm guessing you're a fellow UK resident. Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM From experience, it can be a easy to choose SP's for their speed, but I have found that cfquery can perform just as well, and even better in some cases. Sure you get the multiple recordset ability with an SP but unless you are using CF8 you still cannot cache results - unless you roll your own mechanism which is an arse. They are also harder to debug but that is no doubt something you know and can live with! I would use them but I would think about using them sparingly and if you can to use an ORM - don't us them at all. -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Neil and Mark, I remember the whole 'active' records and really liked that concept, but to be honest I've gotten myself tied quite nicely into using stored procs recently and don't really want to move back, I'm quite happy. I've got a small CFC setup here that generates all my beans, DAO and Gateway for my simple objects so that will probably do the job and a ORM might not be necessary, I can probably survive without all that advance stuff for the moment. One thing I would like to quickly ask, whilst on the subject of data access, how do you guys deal with encryption in an OO environment? Do you just dump the key into your app scope? Or do you create an encryption class that stores it as a property, along with the other settings and place that as a singleton into your app scope? And how do you utilize that in your DAO? Inject it as a constructor? Thanks again for your input chaps, Rob -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Morning, From what I can see, it had a divorce in that it is not longer intrinsically tied into MG. With MG:U you have ORM Adaptors which means you can choose either Reactor or Transfer (or any other should they come about or exist). Stored Procs aren't going to really fit the ORM bill it really has to be direct object to table access from what I can see. What I have found with Reactor is that since it is an ActiveRecord process it has to be a 1:1 object mapping to a real physical table. It is less flexible that Transfer. With Transfer you have a little bit more flexibility with decorators but it still lacks in some areas (and excels in others) - composite keys is one area but I know Mark is working on a fix for this so it can support them. HTH N -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 09:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the
RE: WebCharts3D - WYSIWYG editor not working
Have you got any more information? I use mine with no problems at all, is this the version that comes bundled with cf? Or a privately owned copy? Are you on windows? Mac? Linux? What error messages do you get? Thanks, Rob -Original Message- From: Leitch, Oblio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 13:20 To: CF-Talk Subject: WebCharts3D - WYSIWYG editor not working Does anybody use the WebCharts3D WYSIWYG designer? Anyone know why mine may not work? This email message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this email message from your computer. CAUTION: The Agency of Human Services cannot ensure the confidentiality or security of email transmissions. ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279983 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfgrid
Didn't think of it that way, once I find the administrator for IIS on this server I will check that. I did try dumping the CFIDE directory directly into the webroot though, but I think this gives me a very good starting point Thanks Wes On 6/4/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good tip and helpful, but alas not the solution. The applet will load when accessing the site through localhost, but not when accessed through the IP address. Also, other cfform elements do work correctly. I have been trying to track someone down who has admin priviledges in IIS thinking that it might the problem. Still taking any suggestions. If the applet loads through localhost, but doesn't load through your virtual server, you may well have a misconfigured virtual server - that is, the URL path to /CFIDE doesn't exist on that server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279990 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology      E-mail:        [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279992 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: why might sessions end more quickly after changing to linux/B D?
perhaps the server is failing and being restarted? seems fine You might also increase the session timeout I will, but the session timeout is restarted with each page load, right? so I don't think that's it. weird... ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279993 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Content Compression
Neil, Anyone using Content Compression with any of their sites/apps (on the fly or otherwise). If so, what are you using what kind of speed improvements are you getting if any? I am particularly interested in IIS implementations. Performance improvements are going to be relative to your app and your servers. If you're pages contain lots of HTML overhead (which can happen to apps that rely heavily on table / elements for layout) then you could see a sizable difference in the bandwidth needed to xfer your output from the server to the client. On a recent project I migrated an older application that tends to be very markup heavy to a new server. It's not uncommon for it to produce pages that are 100k+ of markup. Using IIS6's native compression has drastically help us reduce the bandwidth needed to xfer these files, which does make some of the larger reports on our page appear to load faster. However, it's important to notice that compression does not really give you speed improvements. It actually adds more processing time to the request (while for dynamic content--since it needs to be recompressed on every page request.) However, it can help drastically reduce the amount of bandwidth need to transfer files to the client. In our situation, the time that it takes to compress most pages is barely noticeable and the gain in delivery time far outweighs the additional overhead. I can't qualify these into real numbers (partly because the migration to new servers also meant migrating to faster servers,) but in my testing there definitely was a significant decrease in delivery times after applying compression. If you're paying for bandwidth usage, compression can also help reduce your hosting costs as well (or at least allow you to serve more pages than before.) -Dan ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279994 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Certainly does look nifty..be good to see what kind of performance his it has though... -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology      E-mail:        [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279995 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Content Compression
On Sunday 03 Jun 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Anyone using Content Compression with any of their sites/apps (on the fly or otherwise). If so, what are you using what kind of speed improvements are you getting if any? I am particularly interested in IIS implementations. I'm using mod_gzip in Apache, on my Drupal/PHP powered site. You can see the graph here: http://www.rachaelandtom.info/gallery/falken-random/graphs/mod_gzip.html -- Tom Chiverton Helping to continuously build enterprise deliverables on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
You know, that's interesting seeing as how a JVM is supposed to be the great equalizer which makes your code run the same on any platform. Maybe I'm giving it too much credit... :) ~Brad -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject) It's platform specific. On OS X, structKeyExists() is always 20-30% faster under any circumstances. On Windows isDefined() is often faster. On 6/2/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done test with structkeyexists and isdefined and found that it actually can depend on whether or not the value exists. I ran two tests, one with a small struct (1 key) and one with a large struct (500 keys) and the size of the structs didn't make any difference. I looped several thousand times and sliced the results 4 different ways in each test: isdefined() when the key was NOT present (1254 ms) structkeyexists() when the key was NOT present (1172 ms) isdefined() when the key WAS present (1087 ms) structkeyexists() when the key WAS present (1259 ms) ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279997 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Alt tag
Sandra, The HTML recommendation doesn't _prohibit_ using the alt attribute value as the tooltip explicitly, and this is controllable by the developer for IE. If you don't want to see the tooltip in IE that is shown from the alt attribute value, use a null title attribute on the image. If you _do_ want to see the tooltip in Firefox, put the desired tooltip content into the title attribute (keeping it in the alt attribute for the image also). AWK -Original Message- From: Sandra Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Alt tag To get a little pedantic, the alt attribute is not meant to be a tooltip (although IE treats it that way. Its supposed to provide an alternate description of the graphic for assistive technology to read when a non sighted person can't see the actual graphic. IE renders alt text as a tooltip. Firefox does not. Its not something you have control over. Sandra Clark = http://www.shayna.com Training and Consulting in CSS and Accessibility Team Fusebox -Original Message- From: Pete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Alt tag Hi there I'm trying to get an Alt tag to appear with the main image but having no luck? Any suggestions where I need to place the Alt text etc? img onmouseover=imgMain.src='photos/large/#rsGetDetails.pic1#'; src=photos/thumbs/#rsGetDetails.pic1# class=border name=thumbnail1 border=0 width=50 height=50 alt=#rsGetDetails.pic1_alttext# / Basically I have a number of thumbnails where a person can scroll over - I would just like to place an Alt tag with the main image as well. The site can be viewed at http://dev.cleverminds.com.au/cosmeticbeautydirectory Thanks in advance. P ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279998 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
On Monday 04 Jun 2007, Brad Wood wrote: You know, that's interesting seeing as how a JVM is supposed to be the great equalizer which makes your code run the same on any platform. The optimisations the compiler will be able to perform will vary across systems. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to quickly implement professional platforms on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:27 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Well When it generates the code it's not blazingly fast. A simple application takes about 5 seconds on my laptop, a more complicated one takes anywhere from 20 seconds to a minute. (On server class hardware it is obviously much faster.) But that's why it's a passive code generator, instead of an active one. However once the code is generated, it's executed pretty fast, assuming that the underlying table structures are properly indexed and whatnot. Even an improperly indexed table will be okay, at least for awhile. I typically see either 0 or 16ms for individual calls. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Certainly does look nifty..be good to see what kind of performance his it has though... -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:28 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280001 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
Yeah, From what i've seen whilst reading the documentation it simply writes all the laborious code for you, there is nothing to stop you modifying all those DAO's, Gateways and Stored Procs to optimize them afterwards, it just gives you a nice working model to start with. Like Terrence says, provided your database is built properly in the first place then I'm sure it'll run very efficiently. It doesnÂt look like the Reactor framework, its just a CFC generator by the look of things, I'll let you know how I get on with it. Thanks, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 15:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Well When it generates the code it's not blazingly fast. A simple application takes about 5 seconds on my laptop, a more complicated one takes anywhere from 20 seconds to a minute. (On server class hardware it is obviously much faster.) But that's why it's a passive code generator, instead of an active one. However once the code is generated, it's executed pretty fast, assuming that the underlying table structures are properly indexed and whatnot. Even an improperly indexed table will be okay, at least for awhile. I typically see either 0 or 16ms for individual calls. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology      E-mail:        [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Certainly does look nifty..be good to see what kind of performance his it has though... -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology      E-mail:        [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280002 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Choosing an ORM
Can anyone recommend an ORM that works with MySql? Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280003 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: isdefined vs structkeyexists (was: cfinvoke or CreateObject)
On 6/4/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, that's interesting seeing as how a JVM is supposed to be the great equalizer which makes your code run the same on any platform. The functional behavior will be the same. Performance, OTOH, will depend on a number of factors. After all, Windows XP runs faster under Bootcamp on a Mac than on a Dell with the same processor. Same code, same chip, different environment. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280004 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
I'm fairly certain both Reactor and Transfer do so. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Hoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM Can anyone recommend an ORM that works with MySql? ts/unsubscribe.cfm?user=22052.16742.4 ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280005 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Choosing an ORM
I think most of the popular ORM's (Reactor and Transfer) will work with the newer versions of MySQL, It's defiantly worth checking them out. Rob -Original Message- From: Dave Hoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 15:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM Can anyone recommend an ORM that works with MySql? Thanks Terrance, I've not seen Squidhead before, but if it's as good as it sounds then It would be perfect for me, anything to avoid writing DAO code ;-) I'll have a look at it this afternoon, but it sounds fantastic, Rob -Original Message- From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 14:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Choosing an ORM I'm not going to jump in to Reactor vs Transfer. They're both great products. I wish I could use them. (We have a mandate for stored procs. ) But if you're looking to handle stored procedures, may I make a plug for my product, Squidhead (http://squidhead.riaforge.org/). It doesn't have hooks for any of the other frameworks yet, but it does implement the DAO and Gateway for a MSSQL database using stored procedures. And while it doesn't have any hooks for the frameworks, there's nothing to stop it from working with modelglue, or fusebox. In addition to writing its own CRUD in stored procs, it also reads in and makes available your stored procedures as CFC methods. It can handle multiple queries proc call, etc. Terrence Ryan Senior Systems Programmer Wharton Computing and Information Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Choosing an ORM Hello Guys, I've just started work on a large scale rebuild of my core business application, and to aid me the gruelling task I'm toying with implementing MG, ColdSpring and one of the ORM's. I've done some small work with these in the past but used Reactor. Now, I'm sure I've read somewhere that Reactor and MG got a divorce, and that MG would most likely end up sleeping with Transfer, is this the case? Another thing to take into consideration is that I had planned to take all my queries and move them into stored procs on my SQL Server as some of them were getting pretty fat and needed a helping hand to keep performance where I want it, will I still be able to do this when working with an ORM? What are your thoughts on this stuff? What's hot? And what's not? Look forward to hearing from you guys, Rob ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280006 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. Here's the official project page: http://scripting.riaforge.org/ I have Ruby running inside CF8 as well as PHP now. I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I'm working on leveraging the javax.script.* CompiledScript machinery which should allow for script caching and one-time compilation which should make it much faster than the current Alpha version of scripting. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Same someone. Me. I'll be adding the capability to run Python, Groovy and Haskell soon. Maybe awk, Scheme and Tcl later, maybe others. Essentially all of the languages that are listed on Sun's Scripting project page. This all relies on the javax.script.* package introduced in Java 6 (which CF8 uses). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280007 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
So in CF9 should be expect cfscript tag to have a language argument and we just specify what language we'll be pasting in? That would be cool... ~Brad -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page On 6/4/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. Here's the official project page: http://scripting.riaforge.org/ I have Ruby running inside CF8 as well as PHP now. I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I'm working on leveraging the javax.script.* CompiledScript machinery which should allow for script caching and one-time compilation which should make it much faster than the current Alpha version of scripting. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Same someone. Me. I'll be adding the capability to run Python, Groovy and Haskell soon. Maybe awk, Scheme and Tcl later, maybe others. Essentially all of the languages that are listed on Sun's Scripting project page. This all relies on the javax.script.* package introduced in Java 6 (which CF8 uses). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280008 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Enable Whitespace Management bug?
I am using CF 7.0.2 on Windows 2003. When I restart the ColdFusion server, Enable Whitespace Management gets unchecked. I have to go in to CF Administrator to recheck it every time I restart the CF service. Bug? Ideas? Thanks Jacob ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280009 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in CF9 should be expect cfscript tag to have a language argument and we just specify what language we'll be pasting in? That would be cool... I've no idea whether Adobe would consider incorporating my scripting project (I don't work for Adobe). There are some interop issues (between the host CF page and the embedded script engines) since each scripting engine uses its own data model - I'm working on documenting those on the project wiki. There are also parts of the embedded language that just plain ol' won't work because the execution context is different to what it expects (the mail() function in PHP for example - but of course you can easily drop back to CF for that). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280010 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
It could give all of those dead or dying languages new life: cfscript language=Apple Basic But seriously, the ability to add multiple language interpreters would be a 'killer app'. -Original Message- From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page So in CF9 should be expect cfscript tag to have a language argument and we just specify what language we'll be pasting in? That would be cool... ~Brad -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page On 6/4/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. Here's the official project page: http://scripting.riaforge.org/ I have Ruby running inside CF8 as well as PHP now. I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I'm working on leveraging the javax.script.* CompiledScript machinery which should allow for script caching and one-time compilation which should make it much faster than the current Alpha version of scripting. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Same someone. Me. I'll be adding the capability to run Python, Groovy and Haskell soon. Maybe awk, Scheme and Tcl later, maybe others. Essentially all of the languages that are listed on Sun's Scripting project page. This all relies on the javax.script.* package introduced in Java 6 (which CF8 uses). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280011 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
On Monday 04 Jun 2007, Billy Cox wrote: cfscript language=Apple Basic We could do way with all this SVG programable-XML vector graphics nonsense and just have cfscript language=logo :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to collaboratively facilitate cross-media infrastructures on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280012 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
Dude, LogoWriter on an Apple IIe was how I first fell in love with programming. Seriously though. I can see the future and it looks like this: All you need is ColdFusion and you can successfully mix just about every other language you would want into the SAME app. CF already has integration with Java (obviously), .Net (In Scorpio), and CFX tags have been around since like CF2 or something. CF could give just about any company the ability to glue together all of there independent processes and leverage each of the languages benefits all from the same place. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page On Monday 04 Jun 2007, Billy Cox wrote: cfscript language=Apple Basic We could do way with all this SVG programable-XML vector graphics nonsense and just have cfscript language=logo :-) -- ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280013 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
Not that this doesn't sound like a great killer app, but didn't XML promise to allow every app to speak with every other app with ease and grace? but hey...if/when a viable option rises that can do this...I'm there!! ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280014 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
NEWS: Great 3 part series on CF8's CFTHREAD tag by Ben Nadel
Definitely worth a read: Part 1: http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:743.view Part 2: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/749-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-II-Parallel-Threads.htm Part 3: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/750-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-III-Set-It-And-Forget-It.htm ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280015 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
It did and can a la webservice... unless the language you use doesn't conform to the current standards... or doesn't support webservices and you've got nothing better to do than put together a parsing routine... Or you realize that for all intents and purposes it might be easier to just put in a VPN and query the data yourself... ah crap, I just proved myself wrong again. !k -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page Not that this doesn't sound like a great killer app, but didn't XML promise to allow every app to speak with every other app with ease and grace? .but hey...if/when a viable option rises that can do this...I'm there!! ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280016 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280017 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: NEWS: Great 3 part series on CF8's CFTHREAD tag by Ben Nadel
P.S. nice articles Ben, as always mate. Rob -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 16:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: NEWS: Great 3 part series on CF8's CFTHREAD tag by Ben Nadel Definitely worth a read: Part 1: http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:743.view Part 2: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/749-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-II-Para llel-Threads.htm Part 3: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/750-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-III-Set -It-And-Forget-It.htm ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: NEWS: Great 3 part series on CF8's CFTHREAD tag by Ben Nadel
:-o I'd forgotten that it now supports threading, sweet Jesus, we're all doomed! DOOMED! ;-) -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 16:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: NEWS: Great 3 part series on CF8's CFTHREAD tag by Ben Nadel Definitely worth a read: Part 1: http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:743.view Part 2: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/749-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-II-Para llel-Threads.htm Part 3: http://www.bennadel.com/blog/750-Learning-ColdFusion-8-CFThread-Part-III-Set -It-And-Forget-It.htm ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280019 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
Integration. According to Forta, Integration is two of the three main goals of Scorpio. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280020 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
It did and can a la webservice... unless the language you use doesn't conform to the current standards... or doesn't support webservices and you've got nothing better to do than put together a parsing routine... Or you realize that for all intents and purposes it might be easier to just put in a VPN and query the data yourself... ah crap, I just proved myself wrong again. !k hehe...my point exactly ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. I recently did almost the exact same thing with JSP (obviously a much simpler task considering CF is java based). I didn't bother posting the code anywhere because I thought it was simple enough and I couldnt really think of a reason outside of the specific project we were working on (migrating legacy JSP code to CF) to bother with JSP code snippets, but if you people want to see the code, I'm happy to share it. Does anyone even care about this stuff? ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
...why would you want to? Two words: Cost-savings If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. We are in this for the money, right? ...not just for the pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? Well we do have an evangelist. Preach it brotha' ~Brad ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
yep, that worked well for OS/2 On 6/4/07, Billy Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...why would you want to? Two words: Cost-savings If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. We are in this for the money, right? ...not just for the pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280025 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT: Run PHP (or Ruby) code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I'm working on leveraging the javax.script.* CompiledScript machinery which should allow for script caching and one-time compilation which should make it much faster than the current Alpha version of scripting. I just implemented this and committed it - go download the latest Alpha build: http://scripting.riaforge.org/ You still get the compilation overhead on the first hit of a code fragment (obviously) but subsequent hits are lightning fast (both for PHP and Ruby). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280026 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
This reminds of the latest edition to .NET, the DLR. Will we soon see CFML as a true compiled .NET language... I think so... Which is only a good thing. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Billy Cox To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 17:24:24 2007 Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page ...why would you want to? Two words: Cost-savings If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. We are in this for the money, right? ...not just for the pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280027 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
If by Cost-savings you mean having to hire 2 developers instead of one to support both/all code sets, than I'm at a loss for words. My point is that sometimes it's better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't... !k -Original Message- From: Billy Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page ...why would you want to? Two words: Cost-savings If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. We are in this for the money, right? ...not just for the pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280028 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
I completely agree. We've had really good luck with using compiled .NET... !k -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page This reminds of the latest edition to .NET, the DLR. Will we soon see CFML as a true compiled .NET language... I think so... Which is only a good thing. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Billy Cox To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 17:24:24 2007 Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page ...why would you want to? Two words: Cost-savings If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. We are in this for the money, right? ...not just for the pure love of the ColdFusion gospel? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page The real million dollar question is why would you want to? Almost anything PHP can do, CF can do. Almost anything CF can do, .NET can do. Almost anything .NET can do, PHP can do. Unless you want to take advantage of the thousands of crappy opensource PHP apps that are out there, but if that's the case, save some time and just open up your firewall. =] !k -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page For those of you who don't know, Coldfusion is built upon Java. Someone has taken it upon themselves to write a Java library, called Quertus, which parses PHP code. Someone else then built upon THAT and wrote a Coldfusion library which references the Quertus library and allows you to combine PHP and Coldfusion code on the same page, pass variables back and forth to each other and more. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/ColdFusion_8_running_ PHP I don't know what the speed is (probably not as fast as the native zend interpreter, but still...PHP code mixed in with CF code is pretty kick ass. I read that someone else has done the same thing for Ruby. Andy Matthews Senior Coldfusion Developer Office: 877.707.5467 x747 Direct: 615.627.9747 Fax: 615.467.6249 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dealerskins.com http://www.dealerskins.com/ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280029 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
There's no way I would ever use (let alone purchase) such an animal. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: This reminds of the latest edition to .NET, the DLR. Will we soon see CFML as a true compiled .NET language... I think so... Which is only a good thing. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280030 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
What do you mean .NET? This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 18:50:10 2007 Subject: Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page There's no way I would ever use (let alone purchase) such an animal. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: This reminds of the latest edition to .NET, the DLR. Will we soon see CFML as a true compiled .NET language... I think so... Which is only a good thing. ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
And from a BD alliance member I would say that you should be used to ColdFusion as a .NET language (albeit interpreted in it's current guise). This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 18:50:10 2007 Subject: Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page There's no way I would ever use (let alone purchase) such an animal. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: This reminds of the latest edition to .NET, the DLR. Will we soon see CFML as a true compiled .NET language... I think so... Which is only a good thing. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280032 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Digg like app
thanks Rey, i'll check it out. On 31/05/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only one I know of is Pligg which is an open source PHP-based Digg clone. I don't know of any built using CF. Rey Nick Tong wrote: Hi List, i'm wondering if anyone knows about a digg like OS program/module? I've searched around but i can't see anything. I'm hoping to put this type of system on www.cfFrameworks.com Many thanks ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
autocomplete musings
I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: autocomplete musings
I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but how do you get that to work in CF Studio? I'm using Homesite+ so I'm guessing it's the same. Adrian -Original Message- From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 19:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: autocomplete musings I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: autocomplete musings
Snippets in CFEclipse in my opinion are far more featured. A quick search brought up this mini tutorial. http://www.chapter31.com/2006/10/22/cfeclipse-snippets/ Dan Vega http://www.danvega.org/blog/ On 6/4/07, Peterson, Andrew S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280036 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: autocomplete musings
I usually just end up typing the whole of it... Just feels kinda right :-) This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Peterson, Andrew S. To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 19:55:46 2007 Subject: autocomplete musings I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280037 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: autocomplete musings
I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but how do you get that to work in CF Studio? I'm using Homesite+ so I'm guessing it's the same. I'm more than a little embarrassed to reply that I don't remember :-) Andy ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280038 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: autocomplete musings
Snippets in CFEclipse in my opinion are far more featured. A quick search brought up this mini tutorial. http://www.chapter31.com/2006/10/22/cfeclipse-snippets/ Yes snippets are cool, but I loved the simple elegance of not having the keystroke combos to press. Call me very lazy, but with CFStudio I didn't even have to take my eyes off the screen to find any keystroke combos involving ctrl + alt + x. I'd just keep on typing. Now if they'd just put the End key in a more ergonomically comfortable position :-) -Andy ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: autocomplete musings
Options Settings Editor Auto Completion Trigger String: ! Completion String: --- | --- (o) Select the text as shown Mik At 02:57 PM 6/4/2007, Adrian Lynch wrote: I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but how do you get that to work in CF Studio? I'm using Homesite+ so I'm guessing it's the same. Adrian -Original Message- From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 19:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: autocomplete musings I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280040 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: autocomplete musings
Nice one, will give that a bash :OD -Original Message- From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 21:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: autocomplete musings Options Settings Editor Auto Completion Trigger String: ! Completion String: --- | --- (o) Select the text as shown Mik At 02:57 PM 6/4/2007, Adrian Lynch wrote: I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but how do you get that to work in CF Studio? I'm using Homesite+ so I'm guessing it's the same. Adrian -Original Message- From: Peterson, Andrew S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 19:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: autocomplete musings I used to have a grand ol' time in ColdFusion Studio (I think) setting up trigger text such as '#var and then CFStudio would add iables.#' and put the cursor prior to the last pound sign so that I could type the variable. I think there's something in CFEclipse (snips) and DW (keyboard shortcuts) that is similar, but The CFStudio Way is superior imho. Anything out there compare in existence or on the way? Thanks. Andy ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280041 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
I am having some trouble with the wsconfig utility. I have CF 7 installed on its built in websercer on p[ort 8300 using the multi configuration setup. However I need it to be served up by apache 1.3.x which is on another server, seperate from the CF box - both Solaris unix servers. I tried the instructions below with no success. Somehow since Apache is not on the same server, it complains that it cannot find the directory as the Apache server is on another box. How do I refer to another server using the instruction below??? wsconfig -server servername -ws Apache -dir apache config directory - coldfusion -v Thanks in advance for your help ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache I have CF 7 installed on its built in websercer on p[ort 8300 using the multi configuration setup. However I need it to be served up by apache 1.3.x which is on another server, seperate from the CF box - both Solaris unix servers. You have three options: * Give up. * Move CF onto the web server or Apache onto the CF server. * Create a proxy in Apache to pipe requests over to the ColdFusion server. This is basically what most Rails developers do if they don't use CGI so there are lots of tutorials on it. Simply sharing the files via e.g. NFS wouldn't work as you need to share the processes, not the data. Your best best is the second option, though the third would work pretty well too. Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
-Original Message- You have three options: * Give up. * Move CF onto the web server or Apache onto the CF server. * Create a proxy in Apache to pipe requests over to the ColdFusion server. This is basically what most Rails developers do if they don't use CGI so there are lots of tutorials on it. Simply sharing the files via e.g. NFS wouldn't work as you need to share the processes, not the data. Your best best is the second option, though the third would work pretty well too. Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company I am not sure if I understand. I cannot even get the wsconfig utility to even work. It will just not recognize the apache server, (it can be pinged). I need to disconnect the current webserver, which comes with CF (running on port 9300), and hook up apache as a webserver which actually runs on another seperate server. Having CF and Apache on the same box is not an option at this time. Are you saying that Creating a proxy will solve that problem ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280044 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
-Original Message- You have three options: * Give up. * Move CF onto the web server or Apache onto the CF server. * Create a proxy in Apache to pipe requests over to the ColdFusion server. This is basically what most Rails developers do if they don't use CGI so there are lots of tutorials on it. Simply sharing the files via e.g. NFS wouldn't work as you need to share the processes, not the data. Your best best is the second option, though the third would work pretty well too. Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company I am not sure if I understand. I cannot even get the wsconfig utility to even work. It will just not recognize the apache server, (it can be pinged). I need to disconnect the current webserver, which comes with CF (running on port 9300), and hook up apache as a webserver which actually runs on another seperate server. Having CF and Apache on the same box is not an option at this time. Are you saying that Creating a proxy will solve that problem ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Cfreport and the right data
So I have been searching the net for about 3 days on this and no help so I now turn to you guys for help. I have a report I built in Crystal Reports 11 and saved it into a dirctory called Reports. The Reports folder is in the same directory as every thing else that my page uses. I use a .cfc to the data for the report and on my return form the cfc to the index.cfm I call a page called GoalReport.cfm in it I have the cfreport tag. It does dsiplay the report just fine the only thing that it dosent due is bring up the right data. I have check my table time after time and the table has the right info in it but the report displays the old data. How do I make it display the data that is in the table. Here is the code that is in my GoalReport.cfm cfreport report = C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\Worksitenew23\Reports\Worksite Goal Report.rpt datasource=AgentSys username = sa password = /cfreport Thanx Chris ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
I suggest creating a connection to the local apache instance (or doing so on a test server), and then manually copying the configuration to the remote apache server (updating ip address as necessary). Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache -Original Message- You have three options: * Give up. * Move CF onto the web server or Apache onto the CF server. * Create a proxy in Apache to pipe requests over to the ColdFusion server. This is basically what most Rails developers do if they don't use CGI so there are lots of tutorials on it. Simply sharing the files via e.g. NFS wouldn't work as you need to share the processes, not the data. Your best best is the second option, though the third would work pretty well too. Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company I am not sure if I understand. I cannot even get the wsconfig utility to even work. It will just not recognize the apache server, (it can be pinged). I need to disconnect the current webserver, which comes with CF (running on port 9300), and hook up apache as a webserver which actually runs on another seperate server. Having CF and Apache on the same box is not an option at this time. Are you saying that Creating a proxy will solve that problem ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
I am having some trouble with the wsconfig utility. I have CF 7 installed on its built in websercer on p[ort 8300 using the multi configuration setup. However I need it to be served up by apache 1.3.x which is on another server, seperate from the CF box - both Solaris unix servers. I tried the instructions below with no success. Somehow since Apache is not on the same server, it complains that it cannot find the directory as the Apache server is on another box. How do I refer to another server using the instruction below??? wsconfig -server servername -ws Apache -dir apache config directory - coldfusion -v To set this up, you'd first need to install CF (or minimally wsconfig) on the Apache box, then run wsconfig from there. You could then turn off CF on that machine. This configuration is often called distributed mode. However, you might find it easier to use a proxy as Damien described. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache I am not sure if I understand. I cannot even get the wsconfig utility to even work. It will just not recognize the apache server, (it can be pinged). I need to disconnect the current webserver, which comes with CF (running on port 9300), and hook up apache as a webserver which actually runs on another seperate server. Having CF and Apache on the same box is not an option at this time. Are you saying that Creating a proxy will solve that problem wsconfig is for adding the necessary web server configuration changes to pass processing of CFM files to a process running on the same server. You aren't going to be able to do that. What you'll have to do is use a proxy. This will make all calls to e.g. http://mysiteonserver1.com/ pass through to http://mysiteonserver2.com/. Alternatively you might try configuring the apache server as a load-balancer to serve up pages from the CF server. A few other questions: * Can you upgrade the Apache server to v2.2? * Can you install Apache on the CF server? Here's some info to help: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_proxy.html Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280049 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. Since PHP, Ruby, etc are free, the only possible value can come from integration between existing apps. I can see that value with Java, where I can use CF as essentially a replacement for a JSP view, but I just don't see much value for PHP integration. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
Yeah, PHP integration just seems pointless. If you want to do PHP, use PHP. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 23:53:11 2007 Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. Since PHP, Ruby, etc are free, the only possible value can come from integration between existing apps. I can see that value with Java, where I can use CF as essentially a replacement for a JSP view, but I just don't see much value for PHP integration. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280051 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Enable Whitespace Management bug?
I am using CF 7.0.2 on Windows 2003. When I restart the ColdFusion server, Enable Whitespace Management gets unchecked. I have to go in to CF Administrator to recheck it every time I restart the CF service. Sounds like CF isn't able to write to the appropriate configuration file, or like Windows is changing it back. Check permissions, DEP, stuff like that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280052 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Need hekp with INstallation of CF7 Apache
wsconfig is for adding the necessary web server configuration changes to pass processing of CFM files to a process running on the same server. You aren't going to be able to do that. The wsconfig tool can be used to configure a web server on one machine to talk to a CF server on another machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280053 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
Oh I'm not knocking .NET integration. I'm sure that it helps a lot of folks. I'm just saying that I'd personally never use or buy a CFML server that was compiled in .NET. It's a personal fact, and I doubt I'm alone in that thought. That's all I was saying. ;) I commend NewAtlanta for spearheading the CFML/.NET integration idea. It's interesting to me that Adobe is playing catch-up in this regard. NA is clearly an innovative company and I'm honored that they allow me to carry the brand of one of their products in my signature. ..NET just holds 0 interest or relevance for me. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: And from a BD alliance member I would say that you should be used to ColdFusion as a .NET language (albeit interpreted in it's current guise). ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280054 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Creating CF Wizard Setup Installation
Hi all. I remember several years ago many CF applications with wizard setup installation. I'm looking an example about how to create one. Cheers ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
Simply because you personally immediately see the benefits of integrating PHP into CFML code, doesn't mean that the value is not there. It only means that you can't see it (yet). Personally, I see a lot I could do with this. One example would be that I've been using CFEXECUTE in conjunction with command-line PHP for a while now in order to generate high-quality image thumbnails. The GD libraries that are included in PHP are far superior to anything I've ever seen from a Java environment. With this innovation - I can just write PHP code right in the middle of my CFML code to generate my thumbnails. No funky code separation with CFEXECUTE - and much simpler variable sharing. Previously I've had to pass variables via command line attributes. This method is much simpler. If you want to do PHP, use PHP. Haha - I don't even know where to begin with this statement. Isn't using PHP the whole point? And why just use one language when I can combine them and leverage the advantages of each? Silly human. =P The power and freedom to choose is *always* a good thing. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Yeah, PHP integration just seems pointless. If you want to do PHP, use PHP. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 04 23:53:11 2007 Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. Since PHP, Ruby, etc are free, the only possible value can come from integration between existing apps. I can see that value with Java, where I can use CF as essentially a replacement for a JSP view, but I just don't see much value for PHP integration. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280056 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Choosing an ORM
Transfer most definitely does. Supported on 4.1+ Mark On 6/5/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most of the popular ORM's (Reactor and Transfer) will work with the newer versions of MySQL, It's defiantly worth checking them out. Rob -Original Message- From: Dave Hoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 15:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM Can anyone recommend an ORM that works with MySql? -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280057 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
I'm trying to replace a rigidly built db of data that includes divisions, which contains departments, which contains programs. I need my users to have the ability to build their own tiers of data. Ex. Some users might not even HAVE divisions. They might call it something entirely different, so this system should allow for that kind of flexibility. What I've come up with is adding 5 tables of data. tblTier1 - tier1code PK tier1title more fields tier2code tblTier2 - tier2code PK tier2title more fields tier3code tblTier3 - tier3code PK tier3title more fields tier4code etc.. etc.. This would allow you to add a bottom tier of data. Then add a tier above containing codes from the tier just underneath, and so on. has anyone else tackled this? Are there better solutions? Thanks, Will ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
If I were you I would just use a single table with a parent_id concept. That is how we store our contact manager information. All companies, departments, and contacts are all an entity and they can be nested n levels deep. We have an entity table with a type (contact, department, company etc.) and a entity_id_parent column which points to the parent record. Records with a NULL parent at top level. Depending on how many levels you have it can get tricky to figure out ancestor or descendant relationships, but recursion lends itself nicely to this kind of data. The best part is it has no restrictions. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: How best to represent this hierarchy of data I'm trying to replace a rigidly built db of data that includes divisions, which contains departments, which contains programs. I need my users to have the ability to build their own tiers of data. Ex. Some users might not even HAVE divisions. They might call it something entirely different, so this system should allow for that kind of flexibility. What I've come up with is adding 5 tables of data. tblTier1 - tier1code PK tier1title more fields tier2code tblTier2 - tier2code PK tier2title more fields tier3code tblTier3 - tier3code PK tier3title more fields tier4code etc.. etc.. This would allow you to add a bottom tier of data. Then add a tier above containing codes from the tier just underneath, and so on. has anyone else tackled this? Are there better solutions? Thanks, Will ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280059 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
Brad, Could you please show me the table structure laid out like I showed mine? HAvin a hard time wrappin my head round what you're saying. Thanks much! Will ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280060 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
It's pretty simple, really. This is a simplified version of how we store our entities in contact manager which can be nested n levels deep. dbo.enity - entity_id PK entity_name entity_type_id FK (entity_type.entity_type_id) entity_id_parent FK (entity.entity_id) dbo.entity_type --- entity_type_id PK entity_type_name The entity_type table stores all the possible types (company, department, employee) and we store the corresponding id in the entity table for normalization. If you were view your data as a hierarchy, each node would be represented by a record in the entity table where each record's entity_id_parent value was the entity_id of it's parent record. Does that make sense? I'm not entirely sure what you are storing, but it sounds like you want to nest records in a hierarchy and have large amount of flexibility without having to have a table for each level. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How best to represent this hierarchy of data Brad, Could you please show me the table structure laid out like I showed mine? HAvin a hard time wrappin my head round what you're saying. Thanks much! Will ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280061 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
Yes brad. This makes it much more clear for me. I'll work on implementing it! Thanks much, Will ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280063 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
I do something similar and the nice thing is depending on the database being used you can sometimes take advantage of the built in hierarchy features. Oracle has some of these features and it makes it rather easy for pulling things out of our hierarchy for display purposes. On 6/4/07, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were you I would just use a single table with a parent_id concept. That is how we store our contact manager information. All companies, departments, and contacts are all an entity and they can be nested n levels deep. We have an entity table with a type (contact, department, company etc.) and a entity_id_parent column which points to the parent record. Records with a NULL parent at top level. Depending on how many levels you have it can get tricky to figure out ancestor or descendant relationships, but recursion lends itself nicely to this kind of data. The best part is it has no restrictions. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: How best to represent this hierarchy of data I'm trying to replace a rigidly built db of data that includes divisions, which contains departments, which contains programs. I need my users to have the ability to build their own tiers of data. Ex. Some users might not even HAVE divisions. They might call it something entirely different, so this system should allow for that kind of flexibility. What I've come up with is adding 5 tables of data. tblTier1 - tier1code PK tier1title more fields tier2code tblTier2 - tier2code PK tier2title more fields tier3code tblTier3 - tier3code PK tier3title more fields tier4code etc.. etc.. This would allow you to add a bottom tier of data. Then add a tier above containing codes from the tier just underneath, and so on. has anyone else tackled this? Are there better solutions? Thanks, Will ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280064 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GD libraries that are included in PHP are far superior to anything I've ever seen from a Java environment. With this innovation - I can just write PHP code right in the middle of my CFML code to generate my thumbnails. Well, this innovation (thank you!) requires Java 6 so in terms of Adobe ColdFusion, that means CF8 since CFMX 6.x and 7 are not supported on Java 6. So if you're using CF8, you might just as well use CF8's built-in - and very high quality - image manipulation tools. Where I see this being useful is in taking existing PHP sites and integrating them partially or wholly into ColdFusion. Or taking open source PHP libraries and being able to use them with ColdFusion. If people show enough interest - and I can get some dedicated collaborators on the project - then it might be worth cracking open the source of Quercus and wiring it more tightly into ColdFusion to provide better native data support and library integration. Mostly, however, I did it for fun. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280065 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Choosing an ORM
Reactor does also (same versions I believe). On 6/4/07, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transfer most definitely does. Supported on 4.1+ Mark On 6/5/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most of the popular ORM's (Reactor and Transfer) will work with the newer versions of MySQL, It's defiantly worth checking them out. Rob -Original Message- From: Dave Hoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 15:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Choosing an ORM Can anyone recommend an ORM that works with MySql? -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) PHP should be run on a single threaded webserver, as some of the C libraries used in PHP apps aren't thread safe. This means running Apache 1, or Apache 2 in prefork mode. CF (for example) is quite happy running in multithreaded configurations of Apache. Although I will point out that the way I've had to implement caching and script compilation, each individual script block has to be single threaded (although multiple *different* blocks can execute concurrently). I'm being conservative here because I'm not sure of the inner workings of the CompiledScript implementation in Quercus... 2) The PHP apps automatically get the benefit of datasource connection pooling, clustering and all the other good things J2EE provides. I haven't tried data source integration yet - that may require cracking open the Quercus source and hacking it around some (to get integration with ColdFusion). Remember that the ScriptEngine is running outside of its native Servlet environment. It *may* work out of the box (try it someone!) but it may well not. 3) The PHP apps can integrate with Java objects and code. Yes, and in the docs for running PHP in CF8, I show how PHP can manipulate CF data structures (which are really just Java). That aspect is definitely very powerful. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280067 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
There are a number of reasons to run PHP from a J2EE server using Quercus (as Sean's work does), rather than deploying PHP itself; 1) PHP should be run on a single threaded webserver, as some of the C libraries used in PHP apps aren't thread safe. This means running Apache 1, or Apache 2 in prefork mode. CF (for example) is quite happy running in multithreaded configurations of Apache. 2) The PHP apps automatically get the benefit of datasource connection pooling, clustering and all the other good things J2EE provides. 3) The PHP apps can integrate with Java objects and code. http://quercus.caucho.com/ On 6/5/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, PHP integration just seems pointless. If you want to do PHP, use PHP. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280062 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: How best to represent this hierarchy of data
At 08:54 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: If I were you I would just use a single table with a parent_id concept. That is how we store our contact manager information. All companies, departments, and contacts are all an entity and they can be nested n levels deep. We have an entity table with a type (contact, department, company etc.) and a entity_id_parent column which points to the parent record. Records with a NULL parent at top level. Depending on how many levels you have it can get tricky to figure out ancestor or descendant relationships, but recursion lends itself nicely to this kind of data. The best part is it has no restrictions. ~Brad Also something to consider is a 'sortNum' tblTier1 - tier1code PK tier1title [more fields] tier2code / parentID sortnum varchar(50) * 01 02 0201 020101 020102 0202 020201 03 04 0401 05 0501 050101 05010101 0501010101 050101010101 050101010102 0501010102 0501010103 0501010104 0501010105 050101010501 050101010502 05010102 05010103 0501010301 0501010302 0502 0503 06 07 Using like in your queries allows for all sorts of familial ancestry and descendants revelations. It may be a little redundant considering you've already got parentID, but for displaying deep descendantry quickly, it's pretty easy. Also it helps sort your entities. Moving them up and down can be tricky, though, especially when it involves a lot of children and siblings. Boy, I'll tell you, that 05 entity was BUSY. Mik * I think 25 levels deep is probably enough, no? And up to 99 children per entity? Michael Muller Admin, MontagueMA.net Website work (413) 863-0030 cell (413) 320-5336 skype: michaelBmuller http://www.MontagueMA.net Eschew Obfuscation ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
