Re: Bluedragon = open source
> I would hardly describe Peter Farrell as an "Adobe fanboy" especially > since he was running his site for a long time on BlueDragon! No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is up, just checked). > > only to have it come to light that NA implemented cfthread before > Adobe, and that it was up to Adobe to maintain compatibility. > > Since Adobe (Macromedia / Allaire) created ColdFusion, I don't think > they have any responsibility to "maintain compatibility" since they > created the de facto standard. The burden is on other companies to > build compatible CFML engines, IMO. See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other company in question break backwards compatibility with their own code just to match Adobe's implementation? Once again we see the position that only Adobe is allowed to innovate in this area. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another > company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it > not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility > when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other > company in question break backwards compatibility with their > own code just to match Adobe's implementation? Once again we > see the position that only Adobe is allowed to innovate in > this area. Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, the onus is on you to provide that compatibility. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote: > atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new > syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. Last Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what they like and still claim to be 'compatable'. > year some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax of > the cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8 - only to have it come to > light that NA implemented cfthread before Adobe, and that it was up to > Adobe to maintain compatibility. >From their PoV, someone else made a change to the language with out asking them (who own it). Why should they change, I suppose. > > least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard, > > and a > > public process to get it altered. > > Unlikely, IMHO. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. What > you're proposing just makes it easier for others to compete with them. Happier developers benefit the whole 'eco-system'. And Adobe *is* giving something like this control in other products to the community. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to elementarily incubate prospective architectures on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301049 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another >> company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it >> not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility >> when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other >> company in question break backwards compatibility with their >> own code just to match Adobe's implementation? Once again we >> see the position that only Adobe is allowed to innovate in >> this area. > >Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor >selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have >no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that >provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, >the >onus is on you to provide that compatibility. I've always thought BD would have been better served by using the "cfx_" extension for additions they made to the language. That would at least give developers who want to use BD as their core language the ability to write custom tags that could be implemented in other versions of CF. It would seem to address a lot of issues of compatibility... -Dan ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
>Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor >selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have >no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that >provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, the >onus is on you to provide that compatibility. Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i think it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving the resulting incompatibility. Most of us get upset when Microsoft abuses its dominant market position like this, i for one fail to see how Adobe is any different in this case. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301051 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
Seriously, Adobe own CF, they can do what they want, everyone else is attempting to copy this. If NA go off and add new features, they can't expect Adobe to copy them, that makes no sense. I don't think there is enough of a market to support so many clones getting any decent market share. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 11:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source >Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor >selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have >no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that >provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, the >onus is on you to provide that compatibility. Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i think it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving the resulting incompatibility. Most of us get upset when Microsoft abuses its dominant market position like this, i for one fail to see how Adobe is any different in this case. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301052 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
> Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable > effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - > as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when > Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by > implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i think > it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving > the resulting incompatibility. Most of us get upset when > Microsoft abuses its dominant market position like this, i > for one fail to see how Adobe is any different in this case. Adobe owns the original implementation of CFML, and because there's no external standard for what CFML is, it is what they say it is. Comparing this to what Microsoft does is silly, because ColdFusion is not an operating system - other CFML vendors are not relying on Adobe to provide them an environment in which their products can run. And, frankly, Adobe has no incentive to cooperate with other CFML vendors. If, in some fantastic future, NA becomes the dominant CFML vendor, then perhaps Adobe will feel compelled to change. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301053 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Closing a Session
Esteemed CFers, We have a survey and wee need to close out the session when the browser closes and when the surveu is complete. I can't remember how to do this. We are using urltoken on all the forms and cflocations so we can turn off cookies if need be. A sub dropped the ball and and we need this up yesterday. Mgt is freaking. So quick and dirty is perfectly acceptable at this juncture. Many, many TIA, Gerald -- "I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it." - Pablo Picasso ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301054 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Closing a Session
Gerald Guido wrote: > Esteemed CFers, > We have a survey and wee need to close out the session when the browser > closes and when the surveu is complete. I can't remember how to do this. We > are using urltoken on all the forms and cflocations so we can turn off > cookies if need be. > > A sub dropped the ball and and we need this up yesterday. Mgt is freaking. > So quick and dirty is perfectly acceptable at this juncture. > > Many, many TIA, > > Gerald You Can't close the session. It will only close when the session timeout expires. You can disassociate the session from the client by using browser in-memory cookies for the cfid and cftoken session keys that are discarded when the browser closes. Thus a user can no longer access a session and must create a new one when they return. But if you are counting on some code running in the onSessionEnd event to occur when the browser closes, this is not going to happen. I believe the easiest way to use per 'session' memory cookies is to use the J2EE session variables. Otherwise there is an knowledge base article on how to set cfid and cftoken cookies to be memory cookies. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
You seem to be overlooking the very basic fact that NA is well aware of the fact that anything they add may well have compatibility issues as new versions of CF come out. I don't think you'll ever hear this complaint coming from NA themselves; they knew it going in. The complaint comes from people who use NA's CFML engine. These people "should" have known that this sort of problem was very probable to occur. Adobe would be ill advised to plan any of their development of CF features around the additions other companies have made to their CFML engines. >From now on, I want you to know that it's very likely you'll run into similar >issues of compatibility between BD and CF. Complain to the people at NA and >I'm certain that they'll tell you the same thing, with some added thought that >they do their best to minimize the occurrences... --Ferg - Original Message From: Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:22:09 AM Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source >Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe >hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor >selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have >no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that >provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, the >onus is on you to provide that compatibility. Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i think it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving the resulting incompatibility. Most of us get upset when Microsoft abuses its dominant market position like this, i for one fail to see how Adobe is any different in this case. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301056 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
cfhttp post authentication, troubleshooting tips
I'm trying to insert and update data via CFHTTP for a client. The problem is that I do not have access to the 3rd Party to find out what session variables are being passed. It's an .asp site. Authenticated via https I've charted out which parameters are sent via the form (hidden as well as displayed) and which are sent via the url. But things are not working. The form is not being updated and I'm not getting any errors. I was wondering what troubleshooting tips people had. I'm using and But it's not catching everything (evidently). Thx ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301059 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
cfinput=datefield display problems in IE7
I have a form with auto-generated datefields that are vertically aligned on top of one another. In IE7, the div holding the javascript generated calendar gets displayed underneath the form field items directly below it. Does anyone have any ideas about how to fix this? I am currently using a javascript function to throw the calendar out to the side of the fields, but I would prefer the default functionality. Thanks! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301060 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
CF - XSLT
Slightly OT, but is being run in a CF environment. So I posted a thread earlier about NTLM/WinAuth, CFHTTP and the GoogleMini... that's simply a no-go. So I'm wondering, does anyone know if XSLT will allow you to run templates as it processes each node of the XML structure. For example: For each file path found, run a CF template that will return (Y/N), then display if Y. Thanks, BN ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301061 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Uhuh... and in order for this statement to make sense, you would have to claim that you have never, ever made a decision, documented it, and then discovered *later* that it had an impact you hadn't expected. Shocking! No, I'm not claiming to never have made a mistake. I'm saying that a mistake that is detected by the customer shows poor quality control. Adobe/Macromedia/Allaire should have always had comprehensive language-compliance tests for CFML. Like unit tests, they should get better (more coverage of edge-cases, etc) with time. It's an investment that is good for Adobe, for Adobe's customers, and the CF community at large. Besides, if Adobe wants to claim the exclusive right to define CFML (vs NA's BD, or the CFML engines out there), then they should step up and define the language more rigorously than "CF is what we just did". Thanks Mark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
Russ, Let me rephrase that by saying, I'm hesitant to use something I don't completely understand and can't defend in a govt environment. It's just not worth missing the mortagage payment over. ;) As for CFHTTP, not working with NTLM/WinAuth, it's in the CF Docs. I've tried lots of ideas. As for the Firefox issue, that's outside the scope of the problem. We don't support it for intranets. Yes yes I know... you don't even need to say it... I hate IE too. But they were hell bent on having the browser pick up the logged in user and auto-login to the Intranet. Thanks for peoples thoughts on this, I think I'll need to investigate other methods. BN ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301057 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfhttp post authentication, troubleshooting tips
Gilbert, CFHTTP has a number of responses, have you out put them to see if anything of value shows up? cfhttp.errorDetail: cfhttp.responseHeader: cfhttp.header: cfhttp.Filecontent: BN >I'm trying to insert and update data via CFHTTP for a client. The problem is >that I do not have access to the 3rd Party to find out what session >variables are being passed. > > > >It's an .asp site. > >Authenticated via https > > > >I've charted out which parameters are sent via the form (hidden as well as >displayed) and which are sent via the url. > > > >But things are not working. The form is not being updated and I'm not >getting any errors. > > > >I was wondering what troubleshooting tips people had. > > > >I'm using and > > > >But it's not catching everything (evidently). > > > > > > > > > >Thx ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301062 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfxhttp5.cfm ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301064 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFLDAP finds cn but can't find password or certain attributes
Thanks a lot - that's all helpful. But I have no control over the client's LDAP attributes so I'm stuck with their naming convention (which is inconsistent). And the username / pasword set they gave me, which works to log onto their intranet, doesn't work in a CFLDAP query. I think I'll try each of the name attributes mentioned in one of the responses above as the username in the authentication (second) CFLDAP query - I'll retrieve them from the first query that confirms that the username is present in their name server, and substitute one at a time (e.g. username="#sAMAccountName#" etc). Maybe that will find one that works with the assigned password. This is frustrating, to say the least! Best regards to all - David >Or use the userPrincipalName of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I would suggest that each of you create an object dumper page that >outputs all of the Active Directory variables for users. > >Then, compare the following attributes: >cn >distinguishedName >name >sAMAccountName >userPrincipalName > >In our directory, we ensure that all of these values are consistent. > >In other words, for my user: >cn = md40 >distinguishedName = CN=md40,OU= >name = md40 >sAMAccountName = md40 >userPrincipalName = [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >This consistency is very helpful, but may not be possible in your >installation. > >I spend several days manually renaming accounts so that they matched our >current style of usernames. It was time well spent. > >m!ke > >attributes > >OK, I got it to work. It was the user name. It is wierd. My login >account is nstein, but cn is Nick Stein, so I have to use the latter in >my CFLDAP. > >Here is the code that works: > > name="GetUserInfo" > attributes="givenName,sn,cn,name,dn" > start="DC=codagenomics,DC=net" > scope="subtree" > filter="(&(objectClass=user)(objectCategory=Person)(cn=Nick Stein))" > server="192.168.xxx.xxx" > username="Nick Stein" > password="Wolfst93" >> > > >and it dumps 1 record. If I remove the (cn=Nick Stein), it dumps all >the records for the user category. > >this thread... >http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4227692 >mentioned the fact that a 525 error is "user not found". That got me on >the trail of checking the cn value, which I assumed (and we all know >what that does) it was the same as my login ID. > >Nick Stein ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301063 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Automated testing isn't always possible, especially when you are dealing > with enterprise applications with millions of lines of code. Sure it is possible. And large enterprise applications are the most critical to have full automated testing. Saying the app is too big to test is just a lame excuse for being too lazy to test the product (or perhaps not being enough of a professional to know how to automate testing). Unfortunately a lot of people don't approach web application development the way "real" software development is done (and then folks wonder by web developers aren't taken seriously!). The picture is changing, slowly, and systems like Ruby on Rails and Grails with their focus on unit testing up front and even TDD are helping to drag everyone else along. It's not like there's a dearth of unit testing frameworks these days (in any technology!). As for the issue that started this thread, CFMX 6.1 is coming up on five years old and whilst Macromedia / Adobe have spent a lot of effort on backward compatibility, sometimes languages have to change in small, incompatible ways in order to move forward. Look at Java or C++ or even C - the latter two have ISO Standard specifications - they all change over time and not all changes can be compatible. In C++ for example, we wanted to drop a legacy behavior from C but we couldn't do it until C itself dropped the behavior (in the C9x standard). Sometimes the change is due to a bug getting fixed, i.e., the old code was not *supposed* to work that way. Someone mentioned New Atlanta's BlueDragon: they too have made incompatible changes, e.g., they introduced cfconstructor at one point and then dropped it in a subsequent release, if I recall correctly. This stuff has to happen to move languages forward. I'm not familiar enough with Railo but I'll bet they've also made incompatible changes over their lifetime. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301065 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
SOT: running JSP on CF8
Hi All I know that Coldfusion sits on top of a java server. Does this mean that I can run JSP pages and Coldfusion pages at the same time? A friend wants me to host a site for him and he does JSP and not CF. Thanks -- Giles Roadnight http://giles.roadnight.name ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Tanguy Rademakers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is > up, just checked). OK, I don't remember the thread then. I'll go read up on it. > See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another company adds a > feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it not the responsibility of Adobe > to maintain compatibility when they themselves add the same feature? Because Adobe has the luxury of more resources to design and test a better version of the feature that is more in line with what their customers want? Railo, for example, have implemented a few things ahead of Adobe and have then gone back and changed their implementation to match Adobe's. On the subject of cfthread, Vince @ NA specifically offered for BlueDragon's implementation to change to become compatible with Adobe's (by adding features to allow both NA's original implementation and an Adobe-compatible implementation). Like it or not, Adobe define ColdFusion - the product and the language - and other vendors who make a "compatible" product are either compatible with Adobe's product or they're not. Companies / customers don't care whether Adobe's product is compatible with any of the other CFML engines. That's just a fact of life, I'm afraid. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301067 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
d00d, that is 'all that and a bag of chips!' I'm rock'n like Dokken! now. Problem solved! Thank you very much...!! >http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/cfxhttp5.cfm ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301068 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
Brent Nicholas wrote: > Let me rephrase that by saying, I'm hesitant to use something I don't > completely understand So why do you even want to use NTLM at all? Or are you saying you completely understand an undocumented protocol? > As for the Firefox issue, that's outside the scope of the problem. We don't > support it for intranets. Yes yes I know... you don't even need to say it... > I hate IE too. But they were hell bent on having the browser pick up the > logged in user and auto-login to the Intranet. Open about:config, go to network.automatic-ntlm-auth.trusted-uris, enter the list of URIs you want to enable auto login for, restart Firefox. Good luck retrofitting your intranet to become compatible with Firefox! It should be a lot less work then making it work with IE in the first place was :) Jochem ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
On Wednesday 12 Mar 2008, Brent Nicholas wrote: > it... I hate IE too. But they were hell bent on having the browser pick up > the logged in user and auto-login to the Intranet. Have one of the secretary's use the CEO's machine while he goes to get a drink :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to apprehensively optimize fine-grained technologies on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
See that's the problem. Everyone is more than happy to jump on the band wagon *after* there is a mature solution which is worth their time. However, the chicken precedes the egg here, and the chicken is a community of developers willing to put in months (or years) of work to get a product to that point. I fear our community doesn't have enough of those people willing to roll up their Java/.NET sleeves and make open source CF really fly. I sure hope I'm wrong-- I really do; but I think "Successful Open Sourced CF" is a utopia many of us long for, but few of us would actually get dirty for. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source I remember last time I looked at the CF alternatives, BD was the only one that seemed mature. Others seemed to be either in early stages or have started charging and at that point weren't worth the trouble switching to IMHO. A free CFML engine that's fairly compatible with Adobe's engine would be a great thing IMHO. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301071 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
> No, I'm not claiming to never have made a mistake. I'm saying that a > mistake that is detected by the customer shows poor quality control. Still sounds to me like actor-observer bias... I have yet to see any company that's not had problems discovered by customers after the release of a product. Hence, post-release bug reports, hot-fixes, etc. which as far as I know are pretty universal. I would be floored to discover that your company is the one exception on the planet. > Adobe/Macromedia/Allaire should have always had comprehensive > language-compliance tests for CFML. Like unit tests, they should get > better (more coverage of edge-cases, etc) with time. It's an > investment that is good for Adobe, for Adobe's customers, and the CF > community at large. They should get larger with time, covering more of the issues they've previously seen for regression testing. That's a very different thing than "better". You mentioned .NET before, but as far as I know, Microsoft's unit testing hasn't gotten "better" over time in the way you're describing either. I'd bet they have similar unit and regression testing processes in place. > Besides, if Adobe wants to claim the exclusive right to define CFML > (vs NA's BD, or the CFML engines out there), then they should step up > and define the language more rigorously than "CF is what we just did". I'm not even going to start into that... whole separate conversation, whole separate category of highly subjective arguments. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301072 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
On Wednesday 12 Mar 2008, Brad Wood wrote: > I sure hope I'm wrong-- I really do; but I think "Successful Open > Sourced CF" is a utopia many of us long for, but few of us would > actually get dirty for. I'm not sure many of us have the depth of Java knowledge that would be required. See also CFEclipse. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to administratively iterate plug-and-play content on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
Heck, I think we have a *fairly* good testing and release process for the size of my company (around 1000 emps) but half of our programming requests come from user error reports. Our joke around here is "You start programming it-- we'll go find out what they want". Our company decided long ago they didn't have the resources and time to code things the right way (executives think all this "testing" we do is a waste of time anyway). We are in-house IT shop with an app on the company intranet. They would rather we push an 80% complete product to production and work out the bugs later as we have time and resources. That's why we use CF: *Rapid Application Development*, baby. Documentation is something you do afterwards if you have time. As developers we fight that mentality as much as we can-- but at the end of the day we still have to give the people who cut our paychecks what they want. It drives me crazy sometimes. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8? Microsoft never has problems with their products, simply undocumented "features" :) Seriously though, I have only met one CF shop that supposeably never had a bug with their outputted product. They however invested an enormous amount of time in documentation/specs before every writing a line of code. They would have these huge binder/books for insanely small applications and within all that paper it was dictated exactly how things would be done. I do not know what they did for testing but would imagine they did a lot of that as well. Of course with that said, I still have a hard time believing bugs did not make it through the cracks. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:25 AM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still sounds to me like actor-observer bias... I have yet to see any > company that's not had problems discovered by customers after the > release of a product. Hence, post-release bug reports, hot-fixes, etc. > which as far as I know are pretty universal. I would be floored to > discover that your company is the one exception on the planet. > -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301075 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
Microsoft never has problems with their products, simply undocumented "features" :) Seriously though, I have only met one CF shop that supposeably never had a bug with their outputted product. They however invested an enormous amount of time in documentation/specs before every writing a line of code. They would have these huge binder/books for insanely small applications and within all that paper it was dictated exactly how things would be done. I do not know what they did for testing but would imagine they did a lot of that as well. Of course with that said, I still have a hard time believing bugs did not make it through the cracks. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:25 AM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still sounds to me like actor-observer bias... I have yet to see any > company that's not had problems discovered by customers after the > release of a product. Hence, post-release bug reports, hot-fixes, etc. > which as far as I know are pretty universal. I would be floored to > discover that your company is the one exception on the planet. > -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
> Firefox doesn't support integrated auth, only ie supports > that. This is incorrect. Firefox has supported this for some time. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301076 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: running JSP on CF8
> I know that Coldfusion sits on top of a java server. Does > this mean that I can run JSP pages and Coldfusion pages at > the same time? Yes, if you're using Enterprise. Standard doesn't support this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301077 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF - XSLT
> So I'm wondering, does anyone know if XSLT will allow you to > run templates as it processes each node of the XML structure. > > For example: > For each file path found, run a CF template that will return > (Y/N), then display if Y. No. XSLT doesn't know about other programming languages or environments. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301078 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: What are the Necessary Code Changes for Migrating from 6.1 to 8?
> Besides, if Adobe wants to claim the exclusive right to > define CFML (vs NA's BD, or the CFML engines out there), then > they should step up and define the language more rigorously > than "CF is what we just did". Why should they bother, when it's clear they don't have to? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301079 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini
My bad, I was going off from old assumptions back when only IE supported it and netscape didn't. Either way, I would imagine that the box is not set up to ONLY accept NLTM, but has some sort of fallback protocol as well. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:06 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFHTTP and NTLM with GoogleMini > > > Firefox doesn't support integrated auth, only ie supports > > that. > > This is incorrect. Firefox has supported this for some time. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! > http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301080 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CF 4.5 and MS SQL 2005
Any quick and easy points or guidance to getting these two to play together? We are in the unenviable position of having to get some maintenance, enhancement code installed on the venerable 4.5 ColdFusion server that will interact with the new MS SQL 2005 server before we are able to migrate the entire CFML code to the awaiting ColdFusion 8 production server. I tried to create a connection in the 4.5 administrator and I am just being presented with errors that give me little idea what the root issue is. Can anybody provide some guidance before I start bumbling blindly forward? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301081 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not available in the free version), you pay for licensing. If you don't need this, then you can use it for free. Most companies want and need the support. That is where these companies make their money. As a business, you want to be able to have someone you can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running asap so it doesn't effect my business. This gives you that option. If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use it for free :-D The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA environments. It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as your production environment. It also becomes pretty expensive when you have to buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model. A 7k dollar product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers is actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to use a product when they can do that. I hope Adobe follows suit. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /* /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*wrote: /*> Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat /*> would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really /*> anxious to see the details there. /* /*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use /*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported, /*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA /*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source /*license). /*-- /*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN /*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ /* /*"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." /*-- Margaret Atwood /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301082 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use paid support ever. I find no need to use paid support when there is so much information available on the web. I also find that there is more and better support available for open source projects. The users and developers mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source helps too sometimes. >From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support is utterly useless. They almost never come through, and things that take me about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and even then they're not done properly. Just my $0.02. RUss > -Original Message- > From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > > I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... > > The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not > available in the free version), you pay for licensing. If you don't need > this, then you can use it for free. > > Most companies want and need the support. That is where these companies > make their money. As a business, you want to be able to have someone you > can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running asap > so it doesn't effect my business. This gives you that option. > > If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use it > for free :-D > > The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you > don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA > environments. It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one > with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as your > production environment. It also becomes pretty expensive when you have to > buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model. A 7k > dollar > product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers is > actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to > use > a product when they can do that. I hope Adobe follows suit. > > Eric > > /*-Original Message- > /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM > /*To: CF-Talk > /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source > /* > /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > /*wrote: > /*> Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only > caveat > /*> would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm > really > /*> anxious to see the details there. > /* > /*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use > /*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported, > /*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA > /*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source > /*license). > /*-- > /*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > /*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > /* > /*"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > /*-- Margaret Atwood > /* > /* > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301083 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
Sean Said: Since Adobe (Macromedia / Allaire) created ColdFusion, I don't think they have any responsibility to "maintain compatibility" since they created the de facto standard. The burden is on other companies to build compatible CFML engines, IMO. Nor do Adobe have any incentive to create a common standard definition of CFML - as you said, that would simply make it easier for other companies to build compatible CFML engines. Sean, I would disagree with you on this in spirit. While there is no real or legal responsibility for them to maintain compatibility, It would behoove them to do so (yes...the true responsibility does lie with the other companies...but I do think that Adobe should lead the way). If they try to bring BD users over to Adobe, wouldn't it be a lot easier if they were able to say you can migrate over to our engine without having to modify the code? Make the selling points be things in relation to the engine like efficiency, stability, etc more than the code. While it would make it easier for other companies to create CF engines, they should also recognize that the competition does everyone good as it keeps the language fresh and competitive with other languages and inspires product innovation and improvement. This also would keep the developers happy too...something they should be actively trying to do as we are the best salesmen they have. Maybe a CF standards organization is in order? Eric ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301084 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
How are they not selling the engine? If they were selling just the language then BD would ne be able to use the language, without licensing. Without the engine, the language is pretty useless. I think the responsibility lies with both as their responsibility is to their customers. A standardized environment is beneficial to all. What might be a good idea is for each company to sell "tag packs" that would update he other with tags (and tag differences) from the other...then everyone gets to make money ;-) Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:58 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /* /*> See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another /*> company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it /*> not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility /*> when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other /*> company in question break backwards compatibility with their /*> own code just to match Adobe's implementation? Once again we /*> see the position that only Adobe is allowed to innovate in /*> this area. /* /*Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe /*hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor /*selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have /*no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that /*provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, /*the /*onus is on you to provide that compatibility. /* /*Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software /*http://www.figleaf.com/ /* /*Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners /*http://training.figleaf.com/ /* /*WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! /*http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301085 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
They don't have to, but if they did something like this, they would keep the dev community happy and happy developers make great unpaid salesmen for Adobe. /*-Original Message- /*From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:02 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /* /*On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote: /*> atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new /*> syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. /*Last /* /*Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what they like and still /*claim to /*be 'compatable'. /* /*> year some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax /*of /*> the cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8 - only to have it come to /*> light that NA implemented cfthread before Adobe, and that it was up to /*> Adobe to maintain compatibility. /* /*From their PoV, someone else made a change to the language with out asking /*them (who own it). Why should they change, I suppose. /* /*> > least they could do would be to set up some sort of language standard, /*> > and a /*> > public process to get it altered. /*> /*> Unlikely, IMHO. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. What /*> you're proposing just makes it easier for others to compete with them. /* /*Happier developers benefit the whole 'eco-system'. And Adobe *is* giving /*something like this control in other products to the community. /* /*-- /*Tom Chiverton /*Helping to elementarily incubate prospective architectures /*on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com /* /* /* /*This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /*Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 /*3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered /*office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a /*member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation /*Authority. /* /*CONFIDENTIALITY /* /*This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /*may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor /*copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee /*of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error /*please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /*For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301086 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
I think there is more than a large enough market...one that could increase with competition. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:34 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /* /*Seriously, /* /*Adobe own CF, they can do what they want, everyone else is attempting to /*copy this. If NA go off and add new features, they can't expect Adobe to /*copy them, that makes no sense. /* /*I don't think there is enough of a market to support so many clones /*getting /*any decent market share. /* /*Regards /*Dale Fraser /* /*-Original Message- /*From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 11:22 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /* /*>Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe /*>hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor /*>selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise /*have /*>no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product /*that /*>provides compatibility with someone else's product as its chief feature, /*the /*>onus is on you to provide that compatibility. /* /*Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable effort to ensure /*compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX - as you point out, that's the /*business they're in. But when Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with /*BlueDragon by implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i /*think /*it is biased to claim that NA is responsible for resolving the resulting /*incompatibility. Most of us get upset when Microsoft abuses its dominant /*market position like this, i for one fail to see how Adobe is any /*different /*in this case. /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
On the consumer level, you are correct. Having worked in that industry (did support for Belkin wireless products, BFG Graphic cards, Scientific Atlanta cable boxes, Best data Modems/Diamond Video products, as well as enterprise level networking support for CDW, I would very much agree that consumer level support suck you know what. Most tech support people are poorly trained and are given very little information to help solve consumer issues. Enterprise level support is different. They tend to be people who are knowledgeable in what they are supported, and fairly well trained for the job (especially since most of the support at this level is paid). While user forums and mailing lists are very helpful, sometimes that can be completely useless. Even this list, which has been awesome and many people on this list bend over backwards to help people with questions they have, I have had more than a few questions go unanswered. This list is also a lot better than most, so on other list, more often than not, I have unanswered questions or questions that the others on the list don't have a clue. That is something that won't happen with enterprise level support. The only time I have seen it take days or weeks is if there is a serious issue that involves a major bug in the code. That is why companies use paid support. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:59 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /* /*Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use /*paid /*support ever. I find no need to use paid support when there is so much /*information available on the web. I also find that there is more and /*better /*support available for open source projects. The users and developers /*mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source /*helps /*too sometimes. /* /*From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support is /*utterly useless. They almost never come through, and things that take me /*about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and /*even /*then they're not done properly. /* /*Just my $0.02. /* /*RUss /* /*> -Original Message- /*> From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM /*> To: CF-Talk /*> Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source /*> /*> I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... /*> /*> The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not /*> available in the free version), you pay for licensing. If you don't /*need /*> this, then you can use it for free. /*> /*> Most companies want and need the support. That is where these companies /*> make their money. As a business, you want to be able to have someone /*you /*> can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running /*asap /*> so it doesn't effect my business. This gives you that option. /*> /*> If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use /*it /*> for free :-D /*> /*> The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, you /*> don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA /*> environments. It allows you to have the same exact environment (not one /*> with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as /*your /*> production environment. It also becomes pretty expensive when you have /*to /*> buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model. A 7k /*> dollar /*> product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those servers /*is /*> actually producing revenue. I think that seriously encourages people to /*> use /*> a product when they can do that. I hope Adobe follows suit. /*> /*> Eric /*> /*> /*-Original Message- /*> /*From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*> /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM /*> /*To: CF-Talk /*> /*Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source /*> /* /*> /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels /*<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /*> /*wrote: /*> /*> Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only /*> caveat /*> /*> would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm /*> really /*> /*> anxious to see the details there. /*> /* /*> /*I'm not sure what your concern is here? Lots of companies use /*> /*dual-licensing: free open source version and a fully-supported, /*> /*non-free, commercial version. That's pretty standard these days. NA /*> /*are using GPLv2 so you can go read that (it's a standard open source /*> /*license). /*> /*-- /*> /*Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN /*> /*An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ /*> /* /*> /*"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." /*> /*-- Margaret Atwood /*> /* /*> /* /*> /*> /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic releas
RE: Closing a Session
You can use structClear(session) to kill it. The browser closing doesn't always clear the session, as I found out in a project I work on. A common occurrence is the browser is closed or it crashes and the user goes to log back in and the session is still there. I have this throwing an error with a link that runs the following script... StructClear(session); //uncomment if using j2ee session id's//' //getPageContext().getSession().invalidate(); Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:22 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: Closing a Session /* /*Gerald Guido wrote: /*> Esteemed CFers, /*> We have a survey and wee need to close out the session when the browser /*> closes and when the surveu is complete. I can't remember how to do this. /*We /*> are using urltoken on all the forms and cflocations so we can turn off /*> cookies if need be. /*> /*> A sub dropped the ball and and we need this up yesterday. Mgt is /*freaking. /*> So quick and dirty is perfectly acceptable at this juncture. /*> /*> Many, many TIA, /*> /*> Gerald /* /* /*You Can't close the session. It will only close when the session /*timeout expires. You can disassociate the session from the client by /*using browser in-memory cookies for the cfid and cftoken session keys /*that are discarded when the browser closes. Thus a user can no longer /*access a session and must create a new one when they return. But if you /*are counting on some code running in the onSessionEnd event to occur /*when the browser closes, this is not going to happen. /* /*I believe the easiest way to use per 'session' memory cookies is to use /*the J2EE session variables. Otherwise there is an knowledge base /*article on how to set cfid and cftoken cookies to be memory cookies. /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF 4.5 and MS SQL 2005
Do you have the odbc drivers for SQL Server? I would assume that they come standard with SQL server, but maybe they don't. That's just a swag :-D Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:44 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: CF 4.5 and MS SQL 2005 /* /*Any quick and easy points or guidance to getting these two to play /*together? /* /*We are in the unenviable position of having to get some maintenance, /*enhancement code installed on the venerable 4.5 ColdFusion server that /*will interact with the new MS SQL 2005 server before we are able to /*migrate the entire CFML code to the awaiting ColdFusion 8 production /*server. /* /*I tried to create a connection in the 4.5 administrator and I am just /*being presented with errors that give me little idea what the root issue /*is. /* /*Can anybody provide some guidance before I start bumbling blindly forward? /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301090 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features not available in the free version), you pay for licensing. == And pay you do! MySQL Enterprise Platinum is $4,999 USD /Server/Year. On the subject of supporting your own installs. Sometimes I don't think "community support" is all it's cracked up to be. I think our CF community does a good job, but wading through 1000's of message boards and being told to "RTFM" is not my idea of a good time. That being said, I use several open source softwares like MySQL, but only for my personal stuff. ~Brad ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Bluedragon = open source
>See that's the problem. Everyone is more than happy to jump on the band >wagon *after* there is a mature solution which is worth their time. >However, the chicken precedes the egg here, and the chicken is a >community of developers willing to put in months (or years) of work to >get a product to that point. I fear our community doesn't have enough >of those people willing to roll up their Java/.NET sleeves and make open >source CF really fly. Actually, what we really need is simply more people to use these other servers and give them support. I do a lot to promote BlueDragon to my users when they are looking for alternatives, and am putting a lot of time right now into testing on Railo and making that a good option for them as well. I've not looked at Smith Project in a while, but can certainly look at that in the future if it looks viable for complex applications as well. The more people that use these servers with different types of sites, the more we as a community can flesh out the problems, and make sure that they *are* fully compatible and will not give people headaches if they move over from ColdFusion. There's also other ways people can help with open source projects, other than just code...as much as I'm a fan of Railo, the documentation really does suck big time, and I'd love to see them get someone to do nothing but work on clear, well-written documentation on installing and using the server, as I do think it's the biggest stumbling block for people that are not easily able to figure things out themselves. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Google Maps, CF and Ajax
Mashup gurus, I'm looking for some simple examples of using google maps version 2 with CF and Ajax Anyone? Also - any tips you have on performance when using a lot of markers. Thanks! -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Bluedragon = open source
Actually the support I'm talking about IS enterprise support, and it is in a lot of cases, utterly useless. I'm not even mentioning consumer level support, which can probably be replaced with a nice AI that follows the same exact script they do. They are not trained to think. They are trained to search for the problem you are having in their knowledgebase, and then guide you through the script. Higher level support is often better though While enterprise support might be ok, you will often find better support on mailing lists as they have more people, and more likely that someone has faced the issue before. Also, since the software is free, it has been used by more people. Not everyone, for example, can afford to buy Oracle, so the number of installs would be smaller then MySQL, and therefore it's less likely that someone came across a problem that you were having with Oracle as opposed to a problem you were having with MySQL. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:28 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > > On the consumer level, you are correct. Having worked in that industry > (did > support for Belkin wireless products, BFG Graphic cards, Scientific > Atlanta > cable boxes, Best data Modems/Diamond Video products, as well as > enterprise > level networking support for CDW, I would very much agree that consumer > level support suck you know what. Most tech support people are poorly > trained and are given very little information to help solve consumer > issues. > > > Enterprise level support is different. They tend to be people who are > knowledgeable in what they are supported, and fairly well trained for the > job (especially since most of the support at this level is paid). > > While user forums and mailing lists are very helpful, sometimes that can > be > completely useless. Even this list, which has been awesome and many > people > on this list bend over backwards to help people with questions they have, > I > have had more than a few questions go unanswered. This list is also a lot > better than most, so on other list, more often than not, I have unanswered > questions or questions that the others on the list don't have a clue. > That > is something that won't happen with enterprise level support. The only > time > I have seen it take days or weeks is if there is a serious issue that > involves a major bug in the code. That is why companies use paid support. > > Eric > > /*-Original Message- > /*From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:59 PM > /*To: CF-Talk > /*Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > /* > /*Personally, I try to use open source software when I can, and don't use > /*paid > /*support ever. I find no need to use paid support when there is so much > /*information available on the web. I also find that there is more and > /*better > /*support available for open source projects. The users and developers > /*mailing lists can be invaluable, and being able to look at the source > /*helps > /*too sometimes. > /* > /*From experience of friends and family, I have noticed that paid support > is > /*utterly useless. They almost never come through, and things that take > me > /*about 10 minutes to do take weeks to get done through paid support, and > /*even > /*then they're not done properly. > /* > /*Just my $0.02. > /* > /*RUss > /* > /*> -Original Message- > /*> From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM > /*> To: CF-Talk > /*> Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source > /*> > /*> I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... > /*> > /*> The way they do it...if you need support (and several other features > not > /*> available in the free version), you pay for licensing. If you don't > /*need > /*> this, then you can use it for free. > /*> > /*> Most companies want and need the support. That is where these > companies > /*> make their money. As a business, you want to be able to have someone > /*you > /*> can call and say, my server is down and I need help to get it running > /*asap > /*> so it doesn't effect my business. This gives you that option. > /*> > /*> If you feel you can handle everything yourself...then by all means use > /*it > /*> for free :-D > /*> > /*> The other benefit is that when there is an open source/free version, > you > /*> don't have to pay to have copies for your development, testing, and QA > /*> environments. It allows you to have the same exact environment (not > one > /*> with limited connections or other things with their wings clipped) as > /*your > /*> production environment. It also becomes pretty expensive when you > have > /*to > /*> buy licenses for 4 sets of servers if you have the above model. A 7k > /*> dollar > /*> product now becomes a 28k dollar product when only one of those > servers > /*is > /*> actually
Re: Closing a Session
Eric Roberts wrote: > You can use structClear(session) to kill it. That will clear the session data, but it will not close it. I.E. the OnSessionEnd will not fire at this time. That event will not occur until the defined timeout. > The browser closing doesn't always clear the session Closing the browser NEVER clears that session. Your browser does not go back to every server you have visited today and go "I'm closing now, please clear all data, thank you". It just closes and the server never hears back from you. You can use the techniquest described above to dissociate the user at this time to any session data so they can never interact with it again, if you desire. But again the OnSessionEnd event will not fire until the defined session timeout occurs. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Closing a Session
if you have declared the OnSessionEnd in the application.cfc, can't you specifically call that function? structClear(session); OnSessionEnd(); william On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > That will clear the session data, but it will not close it. I.E. the > OnSessionEnd will not fire at this time. That event will not occur > until the defined timeout. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301096 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Google Maps, CF and Ajax
Yeah, RIAForge.org has two custom tags for interacting with Google Maps v2. You want to cache marker locations, so you don't hit the geocoder over and over for the same location info. Steve "Cutter" Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Mark Kruger wrote: > Mashup gurus, > > I'm looking for some simple examples of using google maps version 2 with CF > and Ajax Anyone? Also - any tips you have on performance when using a > lot of markers. Thanks! > > -Mark > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301097 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Closing a Session
The problem is how do you call it? Like someone stated earlier, if a user closes their browser window NO MORE HTTP requests are sent to the server. How would the server know to call that method? The only way is to put some sort of log out button and force the users to click it. IE has JavaScript events for when the window closes, but what if the user unplugs their computer? ~Brad -Original Message- From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Closing a Session if you have declared the OnSessionEnd in the application.cfc, can't you specifically call that function? structClear(session); OnSessionEnd(); william ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Closing a Session
William Seiter wrote: > if you have declared the OnSessionEnd in the application.cfc, can't > you specifically call that function? > > structClear(session); > OnSessionEnd(); > > > william Yes you can, but that does not actually end the session. The function will still be called when the even actually fires at the end of the session timeout. Also, the function is not run in the thread safe mode it is run when the even fires. If your code does not care or is built to handle these conditions it may be a moot point. But these are factors to be aware of, or very difficult to debug and subtle errors can easily be introduced into your application. As well as what Brad said. There is no 100% guaranteed way for this to be fired other then when the session timeout occurs. Even that isn't guaranteed in events such as server shutdowns, restarts or crashes. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Google Maps, CF and Ajax
Cool... I didn't think to look there. Thanks Steve. -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Google Maps, CF and Ajax Yeah, RIAForge.org has two custom tags for interacting with Google Maps v2. You want to cache marker locations, so you don't hit the geocoder over and over for the same location info. Steve "Cutter" Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Mark Kruger wrote: > Mashup gurus, > > I'm looking for some simple examples of using google maps version 2 > with CF and Ajax Anyone? Also - any tips you have on performance > when using a lot of markers. Thanks! > > -Mark > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
dynamic div area
We have a left side navigation which runs just fine. Until we just found a customer loading one thousand+ items into it, and it loads very slowly! Do any of the new CF8 features allow a div area to be loaded independently from the rest of the page, and have a loading image display in side the div? CFPOD looks like it has some of those features, but the header that displays and the fact that it doesn't grow without a scroll bar are not options. I could write some custom ajax to do this, I am just hoping that CF8 has a built in feature that will save me time. Thanks for any ideas. Jared ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: dynamic div area
cfdiv ;) Dominic On 12/03/2008, Jared Legg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have a left side navigation which runs just fine. Until we just found a > customer loading one thousand+ items into it, and it loads very slowly! > > Do any of the new CF8 features allow a div area to be loaded independently > from the rest of the page, and have a loading image display in side the div? > CFPOD looks like it has some of those features, but the header that > displays and the fact that it doesn't grow without a scroll bar are not > options. > > I could write some custom ajax to do this, I am just hoping that CF8 has a > built in feature that will save me time. > > Thanks for any ideas. > > Jared > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Join one concatenated field to four fields
I'm hoping this will receive a wider audience here in Talk. This is SQL for an Oracle 7 DBMS. I need to join a fixed 21 character field that looks like aTable.wwwxyyzzz where ww = bTable.field1 AND x = bTable.field2 AND yy = bTable.field3 AND zz = bTable.field4 unless zz is 0 then www = bTable.field 4. Uhg. I have this code, but I'm not sure what to do with it. WITHOUT reg_firmno: SELECT pur.epa_registration_num, prod.mfg_firmno, prod.label_seq_no, prod.revision_no, prod.reg_firmno FROM pur89raw pur, product prod WHERE (pur.chemical_code LIKE '%185' OR pur.chemical_code LIKE '%573') AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7) AS number(7)) = prod.mfg_firmno AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,8,5) AS number(5)) = prod.label_seq_no AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,13,2) AS char(2)) = prod.revision_no AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7) AS number(7)) = prod.reg_firmno TIA Ian ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Join one concatenated field to four fields
With much blood, sweat and tears and finally finding a source of help. I know of this: SELECT pur.epa_registration_num, prod.mfg_firmno, prod.label_seq_no, prod.revision_no, prod.reg_firmno FROM pur89raw pur, product prod WHERE (pur.chemical_code LIKE '%185' OR pur.chemical_code LIKE '%573') AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7) AS number(7)) = prod.mfg_firmno AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,8,5) AS number(5)) = prod.label_seq_no AND cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,13,2) AS char(2)) = prod.revision_no AND cast(decode(rtrim(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,15,7)),0, substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7), substr(pur.epa_registration_num,15,7)) AS number(7)) = prod.reg_firmno ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Google Maps, CF and Ajax
No problem, but you folks have known me long enough to call me 'Cutter'...;) Steve "Cutter" Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Mark Kruger wrote: > Cool... I didn't think to look there. Thanks Steve. > > -mark > > > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps (and maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security check for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security check upon file upload capability I think it would be a great service. Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already there, I miss it... my apology. Thanks. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301106 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com/ Don L wrote: > I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps (and maybe > even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security check for uploaded > file, so, if Adobe could build such security check upon file upload > capability I think it would be a great service. > > Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already there, I > miss it... my apology. > > Thanks. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301107 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
A Word document may have Trojan Horse embedded, other type of file, PPT, JPG/JPEG, GIF... are all subject to destructive intention... You should have heard of them... Service like Yahoo email embeds this kind of file security into it, for instance, when you receive an attachment, yahoo would check that attachment for you before download... No, I'm not a security maniac but it's now part of life... > what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? > > Azadi Saryev > Sabai-dee.com > http://www.sabai-dee.com/ > > > > Don L wrote: > > I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps (and > maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security check > for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security check upon > file upload capability I think it would be a great service. > > > > Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already > there, I miss it... my apology. > > > > Thanks. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301108 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Join one concatenated field to four fields
Ouch... doing conversions in the where clause is gonna' kill your performance. I'm not sure concatenations work in the where clause, but something like this might have better performance: WHERE ( pur.chemical_code LIKE '%185' OR pur.chemical_code LIKE '%573' ) AND ( pur.epa_registration_num = prod.mfg_firmno || prod.label_seq_no || prod.revision_no || prod.reg_firmno OR ( prod.reg_firmno = prod.mfg_firmno AND pur.epa_registration_num = prod.mfg_firmno || prod.label_seq_no || prod.revision_no || '0' ) ) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With much blood, sweat and tears and finally finding a source of help. > I know of this: > > SELECT >pur.epa_registration_num, >prod.mfg_firmno, >prod.label_seq_no, >prod.revision_no, >prod.reg_firmno > > FROM >pur89raw pur, >product prod > > WHERE >(pur.chemical_code LIKE '%185' OR pur.chemical_code LIKE '%573') AND > >cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7) AS number(7)) = > prod.mfg_firmno AND >cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,8,5) AS number(5)) = > prod.label_seq_no AND >cast(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,13,2) AS char(2)) = > prod.revision_no AND > cast(decode(rtrim(substr(pur.epa_registration_num,15,7)),0, > substr(pur.epa_registration_num,0,7), > substr(pur.epa_registration_num,15,7)) AS number(7)) = prod.reg_firmno > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301109 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
That should be the job of a server-side virus scanner. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Adobe to provide that kind of service (unless they go into the anti-virus business, I suppose). On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Word document may have Trojan Horse embedded, other type of file, PPT, > JPG/JPEG, GIF... are all subject to destructive intention... You should have > heard of them... > > Service like Yahoo email embeds this kind of file security into it, for > instance, when you receive an attachment, yahoo would check that attachment > for you before download... > > No, I'm not a security maniac but it's now part of life... > > > what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? > > > > Azadi Saryev > > Sabai-dee.com > > http://www.sabai-dee.com/ > > > > > > > > Don L wrote: > > > I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps (and > > maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security check > > for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security check upon > > file upload capability I think it would be a great service. > > > > > > Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already > > there, I miss it... my apology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301110 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Google Maps, CF and Ajax
Steve, I'm probably too long in the tooth to succumb to such familiarity. But maybe this once Thanks "Cutter" Gee that felt kind of good. Will you call me "Ace Rimmer"? :) -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Google Maps, CF and Ajax No problem, but you folks have known me long enough to call me 'Cutter'...;) Steve "Cutter" Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Mark Kruger wrote: > Cool... I didn't think to look there. Thanks Steve. > > -mark > > > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:30 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
Don, I'm with Sonny on the virus thing... But I do like the idea of better file upload... Like some of the java applets that are out there. -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line) That should be the job of a server-side virus scanner. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Adobe to provide that kind of service (unless they go into the anti-virus business, I suppose). On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Word document may have Trojan Horse embedded, other type of file, > PPT, JPG/JPEG, GIF... are all subject to destructive intention... You > should have heard of them... > > Service like Yahoo email embeds this kind of file security into it, > for instance, when you receive an attachment, yahoo would check that > attachment for you before download... > > No, I'm not a security maniac but it's now part of life... > > > what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? > > > > Azadi Saryev > > Sabai-dee.com > > http://www.sabai-dee.com/ > > > > > > > > Don L wrote: > > > I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps > > > (and > > maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security > > check for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security > > check upon file upload capability I think it would be a great service. > > > > > > Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already > > there, I miss it... my apology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301112 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
yes +1 to better file upload. start with built-in tag-based multiple file upload. a nice built-in java applet for selecting multiple files or whole folders to upload will be nice, too... especially one that can be called with a tag and an upload progress bar re security - definitely not Adobe's job... but maybe they could 'integrate' a server-side virus checker? like fckeditor and richtext textarea... Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com/ Mark Kruger wrote: > Don, > > I'm with Sonny on the virus thing... But I do like the idea of better file > upload... Like some of the java applets that are out there. > > -Mark > > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com > > -Original Message- > From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line) > > That should be the job of a server-side virus scanner. I don't think it's > reasonable to expect Adobe to provide that kind of service (unless they go > into the anti-virus business, I suppose). > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> A Word document may have Trojan Horse embedded, other type of file, >> PPT, JPG/JPEG, GIF... are all subject to destructive intention... You >> should have heard of them... >> >> Service like Yahoo email embeds this kind of file security into it, >> for instance, when you receive an attachment, yahoo would check that >> attachment for you before download... >> >> No, I'm not a security maniac but it's now part of life... >> >> >>> what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? >>> >>> Azadi Saryev >>> Sabai-dee.com >>> http://www.sabai-dee.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Don L wrote: >>> I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps (and >>> maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security >>> check for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security >>> check upon file upload capability I think it would be a great service. >>> Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already >>> there, I miss it... my apology. >>> Thanks. >> >> > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301113 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
Hey Mark, I'm just tossing an idea around, absolutely no pressure on Adobe. But I do hope Adobe would come up with fix/patch for their FckEditor integration very quickly, my beta users like its WYSIWG feature but are getting mad with me for its slow rendering and some times it fails (cf8 standard)... some of the alternative solutions was either only able to work in a very simple environment or scary, script kittie attack... I understand this is a first-cut but Data Capture is a critical element for any business application... Hope you would agree. I don't like to bug Ben all the time... Regards, Don >Don, > >I'm with Sonny on the virus thing... But I do like the idea of better file >upload... Like some of the java applets that are out there. > >-Mark > > >Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE >(402) 408-3733 ext 105 >www.cfwebtools.com >www.coldfusionmuse.com >www.necfug.com > >That should be the job of a server-side virus scanner. I don't think it's >reasonable to expect Adobe to provide that kind of service (unless they go >into the anti-virus business, I suppose). > >On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, D ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301114 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
Yes, a nice multi-file upload would be great. I've always loved the one at Costco.com's photo center. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line) Don, I'm with Sonny on the virus thing... But I do like the idea of better file upload... Like some of the java applets that are out there. -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line) That should be the job of a server-side virus scanner. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Adobe to provide that kind of service (unless they go into the anti-virus business, I suppose). On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Don L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A Word document may have Trojan Horse embedded, other type of file, > PPT, JPG/JPEG, GIF... are all subject to destructive intention... You > should have heard of them... > > Service like Yahoo email embeds this kind of file security into it, > for instance, when you receive an attachment, yahoo would check that > attachment for you before download... > > No, I'm not a security maniac but it's now part of life... > > > what exactly do you mean by "security check"? check for what? > > > > Azadi Saryev > > Sabai-dee.com > > http://www.sabai-dee.com/ > > > > > > > > Don L wrote: > > > I think File Upload is an important feature. Non-intranet apps > > > (and > > maybe even intranet apps as well) would definitely need security > > check for uploaded file, so, if Adobe could build such security > > check upon file upload capability I think it would be a great service. > > > > > > Also it's very desirable to have "lean design", if that's already > > there, I miss it... my apology. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301115 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
"re security - definitely not Adobe's job... but maybe they could 'integrate' a server-side virus checker?" That's my POINT. Not reventing wheels. But making integration elegant, flexible and efficient NOT "food on the table" is good enough mentality... Sorry if it sounds ranting... >yes +1 to better file upload. start with built-in tag-based multiple >file upload. a nice built-in java applet for selecting multiple files or >whole folders to upload will be nice, too... especially one that can be >called with a tag and an upload progress bar > >re security - definitely not Adobe's job... but maybe they could >'integrate' a server-side virus checker? like fckeditor and richtext >textarea... > >Azadi Saryev >Sabai-dee.com >http://www.sabai-dee.com/ > > > >Mark Kruger wrote: >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Creating a .cfm file on the fly
I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template and make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? Thanks, Bruce ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301117 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Asset and Inventory Tracking Application
I am looking for an asset/inventory tracking application written in Cold Fusion. Would like to find one tht supports MS SQL Server as the database engine if possible. Thanks in advance Kent ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301118 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
Sure, but not Java. Flex does this really well and fits better with CF as an adobe product: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/multifile_upload.html On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Azadi Saryev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes +1 to better file upload. start with built-in tag-based multiple > file upload. a nice built-in java applet for selecting multiple files or > whole folders to upload will be nice, too... especially one that can be > called with a tag and an upload progress bar -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301119 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line)
Yes, as a separate product. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Help Adobe plan the future of ColdFusion (along that line) Sure, but not Java. Flex does this really well and fits better with CF as an adobe product: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/multifile_upload.html On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Azadi Saryev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes +1 to better file upload. start with built-in tag-based multiple > file upload. a nice built-in java applet for selecting multiple files or > whole folders to upload will be nice, too... especially one that can be > called with a tag and an upload progress bar -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301120 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
On 3/12/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template and > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > Thanks, > > Bruce Yeah, I do something like this, you may know some regex that could eliminate half of this junk at the beginning. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301121 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Casey... Do the "replace's" that you use below take care of *all* unwanted filename characters? I'm thinking about implementing a page-creation tool, also, and didn't think about the problems that could be created with bad filenames a user might create. Bruce... I tinkered with page creation, too, and used a template for the basis of a new page, then used -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:16 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > On 3/12/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of > > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template and > > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bruce > > > > Yeah, I do something like this, you may know some regex that could eliminate > half of this junk at the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > FORM.FixedPageName=replace(FixedPageName,"#FixedPageName#","#FixedPageName#.cfm","all")> > > > > >Output="#sFileOutput#"> > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301122 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
file upload/virus scan
OK, so I was reading a response to another question, where someone mentioned the importance of scanning uploaded files...I hadn't thought of that. Two questions: 1. If all I allow for uploads is pdf and jpg, is that still neccessary? 2. My site is on a vps so it would be all self serve...what can I use and how do I get it to scan the uploaded file? TIA, Mark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301123 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Here's a function that uses a regex to say, "only good chars through", sorta: Basically, the allowed ones are the ones there-- A-Z (upper or lower case), 0-9, and underscores. Any others get stripped out. HIH, Denny -PS I use this in my existing CMS type of deal-- I'd recommend using more of a CMS approach (not writing .CFM files, and instead modeling what you want), or even better, if you like to generate stuff: pipe it all out to HTML files-- super performant-er! =] On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Casey... > > Do the "replace's" that you use below take care of *all* > unwanted filename characters? I'm thinking about implementing a > page-creation tool, also, > and didn't think about the problems that could be created > with bad filenames a user might create. > > Bruce... > > I tinkered with page creation, too, and used a template > for the basis of a new page, then used to add the HTML to the template. I also updated a menu.cfm file using > append to add the new page name to the menu and cfincluded the menu.cfm > in the new page. > > So basically, I just used cffile to copy the existing template > to the requested filename, then used cffile append to the HTML > and also used cffile append to update any cfincluded files, > like the menu.cfm I mentioned. > > I'm also planning to use the CF8 FCKEditor (modified to be able to > add photos, etc.) to allow the user to create the main content for the page. > > Pretty straightforward. > > Rick > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:16 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > > On 3/12/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > > > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > > > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > > > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > > > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > > > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of > > > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > > > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > > > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template and > > > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > Yeah, I do something like this, you may know some regex that could > eliminate > > half of this junk at the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORM.FixedPageName=replace(FixedPageName,"#FixedPageName#","#FixedPageName#.cfm","all")> > > > > > > > > > > > Output="#sFileOutput#"> > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301124 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
upload file unit test
Hello peoples, I'm wondering if anyone has already done this, and wants to share: I need to unit test some of my file upload stuff. I don't want to use CFHTTP to test it. Anyone got any ideas? I've already got a few things I'm pretty sure I can do to pull it off, but I'm wondering if this particular wheel has already rolled somewhere. Thanks, Denny -- "Men fear death as children fear to go in the dark." Francis Bacon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301125 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Denny, Thanks for the info. The client is currently using a CMS and the pages are being called by page_detail.cfm?ID=X. They want to do away with this and use an actual file instead. So I will be taking the name of the file, and insert it into the DB in a new field instead of the pages HTML. Bruce denstar wrote: > -PS I use this in my existing CMS type of deal-- I'd recommend using > more of a CMS approach (not writing .CFM files, and instead modeling > what you want), or even better, if you like to generate stuff: pipe it > all out to HTML files-- super performant-er! = ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301126 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
OT: CAM-II, an open source CMS project
Hi Gang, Every so often I get an itch that needs scratching. That itch is learning something new with CF and building a project around that. This time I am putting together an open source CMS project. Unlike some other CMS apps out there, I want this one to be completely community driven, fully customizable, and extremely user friendly with an intuitive interface and API. Besides basic blog functions, I am thinking about including a gallery, a calendar that be standalone or connect to a google calendar. I'd really like to see this application become a modular platform that can fit many needs and provide a unique user experience for each installation. The whole system is being built for CF MX 7 (I'm not opposed to using CF8, I just wanted to accommodate those who have not yet had the opportunity to update), AJAX (JQuery), and the Mach-II framework. CAM-II is an acronym derived from these technologies. If this is something you would be interested in contributing to, or if you have questions let me know either here on this group, or email me directly. Thanks for putting up with me yet again. ;-) -- ~Steve http://goodcf.instantspot.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301127 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
On 3/12/08, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Casey... > > Do the "replace's" that you use below take care of *all* > unwanted filename characters? I'm thinking about implementing a > page-creation tool, also, > and didn't think about the problems that could be created > with bad filenames a user might create. I haven't had any troubles with it but then again, I normally do most of the initial setup for my clients. I doubt 4 out of 5 even create a new page. I would go with something like Denny has for cleaning up the name, then adding .cfm to the end. Denny, I can see where you are headed there. The only issue I have with that, if the end user wants to change the name of the file after it's been put into play, or delete the file all together, you would end up with a bunch of dead links. In this type of scenario, I'd end up rewriting the page content with a 301 redirect to the new page or a message stating that that page does not exist. You also have some issues with re-writing all of the pages when someone wants to change the location of the banner or another template type modification, I guess you could have a script go through and re-write all pages... Most likely if I were to go that route I would still consider writing the page as .cfm just in case. Bruce... > > I tinkered with page creation, too, and used a template > for the basis of a new page, then used to add the HTML to the template. I also updated a menu.cfm file using > append to add the new page name to the menu and cfincluded the menu.cfm > in the new page. > > So basically, I just used cffile to copy the existing template > to the requested filename, then used cffile append to the HTML > and also used cffile append to update any cfincluded files, > like the menu.cfm I mentioned. > > I'm also planning to use the CF8 FCKEditor (modified to be able to > add photos, etc.) to allow the user to create the main content for the > page. > > Pretty straightforward. > > Rick > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:16 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > > On 3/12/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > > > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > > > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > > > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > > > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > > > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. > Of > > > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > > > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > > > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template > and > > > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > Yeah, I do something like this, you may know some regex that could > eliminate > > half of this junk at the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORM.FixedPageName=replace > (FixedPageName,"#FixedPageName#","#FixedPageName#.cfm","all")> > > > > > > > > > >> Output="#sFileOutput#"> > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301128 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Thanks, Denny... I read recently that dashes "-" in filenames were more search engine friendly than underscores. If I were to want to disallow underscores and allow dashes, how would the regex change? And, any thoughts on the dashes vs underscore issue? Thanks, Rick > -Original Message- > From: denstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > Here's a function that uses a regex to say, "only good chars through", sorta: > > > >rereplacenocase(stringToClean,'[^a-z|A-Z|0-9|_]','','all')> > > > Basically, the allowed ones are the ones there-- A-Z (upper or lower > case), 0-9, and underscores. > > Any others get stripped out. > > HIH, > Denny > > -PS I use this in my existing CMS type of deal-- I'd recommend using > more of a CMS approach (not writing .CFM files, and instead modeling > what you want), or even better, if you like to generate stuff: pipe it > all out to HTML files-- super performant-er! =] > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Rick Faircloth > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Casey... > > > > Do the "replace's" that you use below take care of *all* > > unwanted filename characters? I'm thinking about implementing a > > page-creation tool, also, > > and didn't think about the problems that could be created > > with bad filenames a user might create. > > > > Bruce... > > > > I tinkered with page creation, too, and used a template > > for the basis of a new page, then used > to add the HTML to the template. I also updated a menu.cfm file using > > append to add the new page name to the menu and cfincluded the menu.cfm > > in the new page. > > > > So basically, I just used cffile to copy the existing template > > to the requested filename, then used cffile append to the HTML > > and also used cffile append to update any cfincluded files, > > like the menu.cfm I mentioned. > > > > I'm also planning to use the CF8 FCKEditor (modified to be able to > > add photos, etc.) to allow the user to create the main content for the > > page. > > > > Pretty straightforward. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:16 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > > > > On 3/12/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > > > > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > > > > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > > > > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > > > > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > > > > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of > > > > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > > > > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > > > > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template > > and > > > > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I do something like this, you may know some regex that could > > eliminate > > > half of this junk at the beginning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORM.FixedPageName=replace(FixedPageName,"#FixedPageName#","#FixedPageName#.cfm","all")> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Output="#sFileOutput#"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301129 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
(*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a client who wants me to make a change to a form he has. > Currently he has a page that creates a new project that uses a WYSIWYG > editor and put everything into a database table. What he wants instead > is for the user to add a page name field in addition to the fields he > already has, and when the user submits the form, he wants a .cfm page > created with the value from the page name field being the file name. Of > course I need to put the site's header and footer on there as well. So > is there a way that I can create a template, and then when the form is > submitted, using CFFILE or something like that to take that template and > make a new page with it? Does this even make sense? > > Thanks, > > Bruce > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301130 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) *Single Web Site* Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users $1,350 Up to 10 Users $2,250 Up to 20 Users $3,300 Up to 50 Users $5,625 Unlimited Users $9,000 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301131 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
I've never used besavvy, but when i looked, the develper packages looked much better. If you were develping 10 plus sites per year, it would only be like 250 each. That actually seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are only going to use it on one or two sites, then it is right pricey. Mark -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) *Single Web Site* Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users $1,350 Up to 10 Users $2,250 Up to 20 Users $3,300 Up to 50 Users $5,625 Unlimited Users $9,000 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301132 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Ok, I get it... didn't know BeSavvvy was a product... > -Original Message- > From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:36 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > I've never used besavvy, but when i looked, the develper packages looked > much better. If you were develping 10 plus sites per year, it would only be > like 250 each. That actually seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are > only going to use it on one or two sites, then it is right pricey. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) > > > (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) > > > *Single Web Site* > Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users > $1,350 Up to 10 Users > $2,250 Up to 20 Users > $3,300 Up to 50 Users > $5,625 Unlimited Users > $9,000 > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301133 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
I'm lost... I didn't know what (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) was referring to. Now I don't know what (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*), etc., is referring to. Something's going around (*cough*) and I haven't gotten it. :o) Rick > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) > > > (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) > > > *Single Web Site* > Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users > $1,350 Up to 10 Users > $2,250 Up to 20 Users > $3,300 Up to 50 Users > $5,625 Unlimited Users > $9,000 > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301134 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Wow! I just googled "besavvvy" and this thread is already archived on Google! (And I didn't get any results other than this thread. What's the domain for "BeSavvvy"?) Rick > -Original Message- > From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:36 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > I've never used besavvy, but when i looked, the develper packages looked > much better. If you were develping 10 plus sites per year, it would only be > like 250 each. That actually seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are > only going to use it on one or two sites, then it is right pricey. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) > > > (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) > > > *Single Web Site* > Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users > $1,350 Up to 10 Users > $2,250 Up to 20 Users > $3,300 Up to 50 Users > $5,625 Unlimited Users > $9,000 > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301135 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
Nevermind... it's "BeSavvy", not "BeSavvvy". > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:46 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > Wow! I just googled "besavvvy" and this thread is > already archived on Google! > > (And I didn't get any results other than this thread. What's the > domain for "BeSavvvy"?) > > Rick > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:36 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > > I've never used besavvy, but when i looked, the develper packages looked > > much better. If you were develping 10 plus sites per year, it would only be > > like 250 each. That actually seems pretty reasonable to me. If you are > > only going to use it on one or two sites, then it is right pricey. > > > > Mark > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:22 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly > > > > > > On 3/12/08, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > (*cough*) BeSavvvy (*cough*) > > > > > > (*cough*) Rip Off (*cough*) > > > > > > *Single Web Site* > > Encrypted Source Code Up to 5 Users > > $1,350 Up to 10 Users > > $2,250 Up to 20 Users > > $3,300 Up to 50 Users > > $5,625 Unlimited Users > > $9,000 > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301136 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Best way to order appearance of database content...
I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution probably will be in CF, I'll bet. Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is updated. Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second has display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, so is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is submitted, the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is rounded up from 15 to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way there are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new agents. Make any sense? Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? Thanks, Rick ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301137 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best way to order appearance of database content...
Use and indexed loop, multiply the loop count by 10 and use that value for record insertion... On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > updated. > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second > has > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, > so > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > submitted, > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > rounded up from 15 > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way > there > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > agents. > > Make any sense? > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301138 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best way to order appearance of database content...
how about, with sql update all display-order greater than new value (in your example 15), incrementing by 10 then update display order = 20 where currently = 15 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > updated. > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second > has > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, > so > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > submitted, > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > rounded up from 15 > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way > there > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > agents. > > Make any sense? > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > Thanks, > > Rick > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301139 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best way to order appearance of database content...
Great idea! Thanks, Sonny! Rick > -Original Message- > From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:12 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Best way to order appearance of database content... > > Use and indexed loop, multiply the loop count by 10 and use that value for > record insertion... > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > > updated. > > > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second > > has > > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, > > so > > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > > submitted, > > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > > rounded up from 15 > > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way > > there > > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > > agents. > > > > Make any sense? > > > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Best way to order appearance of database content...
Sounds like a great idea, too! Thanks! Rick > -Original Message- > From: AJ Mercer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Best way to order appearance of database content... > > how about, with sql > update all display-order greater than new value (in your example 15), > incrementing by 10 > then update display order = 20 where currently = 15 > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > > updated. > > > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second > > has > > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, > > so > > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > > submitted, > > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > > rounded up from 15 > > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way > > there > > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > > agents. > > > > Make any sense? > > > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301141 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Best way to order appearance of database content...
I think this might work... - to start, in db, 2 records, display-order values 10 and 20 - form submitted with display-order value of 15 - run insert query using value of 15 - now three records, display-order values 10, 15, 20 - run query to retrieve total recordcount - loop query with index and run internal update query setting each display-order value to index*10 Am I missing anything? Any "gotcha's" in that approach? Rick > -Original Message- > From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:12 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Best way to order appearance of database content... > > Use and indexed loop, multiply the loop count by 10 and use that value for > record insertion... > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > > updated. > > > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, second > > has > > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed second, > > so > > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > > submitted, > > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > > rounded up from 15 > > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That way > > there > > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > > agents. > > > > Make any sense? > > > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301142 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Guess this is one way to use Google Maps
http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2186335 Bruce ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301143 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Guess this is one way to use Google Maps
OOPS. Sorry, wrong list Bruce Bruce Sorge wrote: > http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2186335 > > Bruce > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301144 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best way to order appearance of database content...
That should work great... 1) Query Real Estate Agent IDs, ordered by sort value 2) cfloop over the query 3) Use queryName.currentRow *10 as the new sort value for each record On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this might work... > > - to start, in db, 2 records, display-order values 10 and 20 > > - form submitted with display-order value of 15 > > - run insert query using value of 15 > > - now three records, display-order values 10, 15, 20 > > - run query to retrieve total recordcount > > - loop query with index and run internal update query setting each > display-order value to index*10 > > Am I missing anything? Any "gotcha's" in that approach? > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sonny Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:12 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Best way to order appearance of database content... > > > > Use and indexed loop, multiply the loop count by 10 and use that value > for > > record insertion... > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Rick Faircloth < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I know that doesn't sound like it's CF-related, but the solution > > > probably will be in CF, I'll bet. > > > > > > Anyway.I want to be able to determine the appearance order of > > > Real Estate agents on a page, other than by last name, etc. > > > > > > I want a user to be able to specify the appearance, say, by number. > > > I could have an "display-order" column and use a number. > > > > > > I would also want to have the numbers round up to the nearest 10 > > > whenever a new agent is entered or when an agent's display order is > > > updated. > > > > > > Say, I've got two agents in the db. First has display-order 10, > second > > > has > > > display-order 20. A third agent is added who is to be displayed > second, > > > so > > > is given the display-order number 15 in the form. When the form is > > > submitted, > > > the first agent retains number 10, the new second agent's number is > > > rounded up from 15 > > > to 20, and the agent whose number was 20 now has the number 30. That > way > > > there > > > are always values between the agents' display-order numbers to add new > > > agents. > > > > > > Make any sense? > > > > > > Would this be the best way to do this? Other ways? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Creating a .cfm file on the fly
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Denny, I can see where you are headed there. The only issue I have with > that, if the end user wants to change the name of the file after it's been > put into play, or delete the file all together, you would end up with a > bunch of dead links. In this type of scenario, I'd end up rewriting the page > content with a 301 redirect to the new page or a message stating that that > page does not exist. Yes, 301s and 404s sound like a nice touch. You can also do amazing things with URL re-writing. People just eat that stuff up, too. Great way to get around that "I want the URL to say X" problem. "Sure" you can say. "Whatever floats your boat, pretty much.". ColdCourse sounds good, if you can't use the webserver's. Something like that (human readable URLs) might make it easy to add one of those "were you looking for /this/" type of related search deals, too. > You also have some issues with re-writing all of the pages when someone > wants to change the location of the banner or another template type > modification, I guess you could have a script go through and re-write all > pages... Most likely if I were to go that route I would still consider > writing the page as .cfm just in case. That generation time is a small price to pay, if you can swing the non-dynamic-ness of it. On a heavily trafficed site, it would probably be worth it to have quite a bit of the content be static (even if it's getting overwritten "quite often"). That's such an edge case tho, really. I feel a little funny letting the user edit stuff that eventually turns into a CF page. I went so far as to create a meta-language for one CMS, just to avoid direct .cfm generation. Probably silly, in retrospect, but it was not too terrible of an idea, and I learned a lot from the experience. One reason I'm digging on the DHTML type stuff, is the ease of keeping content separate from the styles and eye candy/layout. The url hardly changes, besides anchors, like #somethingToBookmark, which is nice. Eh. Sorta wandering now, so, um, I guess that's it. :-) -Denny -- "The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear." --- H.P. Lovecraft ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
