Installing CF11 on OS X Server.
Does anyone know anywhere with instructions on how to configure CF 11 on OS X Server (10.9.4)? The connector scripts don't seem to support the alternate Apache locations and config files (Server doesn't have an 'apache2.conf' file.) I've tried to configure it all manually, but all I ever get is java.lang.NullPointerException when running up CFM's. I am trying to install it as Developer Edition. Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks, Ricardo. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358906 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Installing CF11 on OS X Server.
I got this working. Always the way just after I post to a list. Thought I would post what I did to get it working just in case it helps someone else. - I uninstalled CF (Deleted the CF11 Dir because the uninstall program wouldn't launch). - Created the apache2.conf file ( touch /Library/Server/Web/Config/apache2.conf ) - Ran the installe; this time it let me pick the /Library/Server/Web/Config directory for the connector - Copied the line it put in the apache2.conf file to the bottom of the /Library/Server/Web/Config/httpd.conf.1 file - Renamed /Applications/ColdFusion11/cfusion/bin/cf-connectors.sh to cf-connectors.sh.bak - Restarted the web server, started CF using sudo ./coldfusion/start Then I was able to run up the CFAdmin and get everything finalised. happy days. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358909 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
I did a little digging and here is what I found. 1) FM Pro comes with a JDBC driver named: fmpjdbc12.jar To use this driver from ColdFusion and SQL Clients like ViennaSQL, etc, it must be placed where they can find it -- the easiest way, in OS X, is to place it in: /Library/Java/Extensions You will, likely, need to restart any programs (CF, ViennaSQL, etc) so that they will see the jar file. Then, You must configure FM to: Enable theRemote Data Access plugin Enable The Web Companion Plugin Configure the Web Companion -- especially the TCP/IP Port (which defaults to 80) -- I used 8600 Allow Sharing of the above plugins (Menu File---Sharing...) This is for FM Pro 6.x -- it will probably be a little different for the FM Server Finally, you must configure the datasource in CF, etc.Here is what I used: CF Data Source Name:FileMakerTest JDBC URL:jdbc:fmpro:http://localhost:8600(note the Port number) Driver Class:com.fmi.jdbc.JdbcDriver User Name: Password: I tested this against a simple database with CFMX for J2ee/JRunand ViennaSQL -- they both worked fine! HTH Dick On Feb 18, 2004, at 6:40 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: I was able to connect FileMaker Pro to CFMX (the original port) about a year ago (or so). As I recall there were some esoteric settings you had to make in FileMaker to allow the connection. I was able to use FM databases in a CFMX development environment, but don't know if the connection is/was reliable enough for production/ I have a pretty full schedule, so it will take me a couple of days to get back up to speed. But, yes, it can/has been done! Dick On Feb 18, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: A quick Googling indicates that there is a FileMaker JDBC driver, but that it's not quite up to spec, poorly built, and is only available when you buy FileMaker Server. Since JDBC is all CF understands, I think you're going to be stuck for a native connection. You might be able to bridge it across ODBC or something, but who knows if that's even possible, let alone stable. Cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server I don't think you can connect FileMaker to CF directly. IIRC, Allaire did something with drivers for FM and CFExpress, but I don't think it flew. You could try exporting the FileMaker db to XML and then using the XML with CF. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sangeeta Karmokar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
Thanks Heaps.I never thought I will get suchhuge respones... Once thanks ... Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server
Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server
I don't think you can connect FileMaker to CF directly. IIRC, Allaire did something with drivers for FM and CFExpress, but I don't think it flew. You could try exporting the FileMaker db to XML and then using the XML with CF. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sangeeta Karmokar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server
A quick Googling indicates that there is a FileMaker JDBC driver, but that it's not quite up to spec, poorly built, and is only available when you buy FileMaker Server.Since JDBC is all CF understands, I think you're going to be stuck for a native connection.You might be able to bridge it across ODBC or something, but who knows if that's even possible, let alone stable. Cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server I don't think you can connect FileMaker to CF directly. IIRC, Allaire did something with drivers for FM and CFExpress, but I don't think it flew. You could try exporting the FileMaker db to XML and then using the XML with CF. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sangeeta Karmokar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
Filemaker Pro isn't ODBC or JDBC compliant, so I don't know of a way to directly connect FMP to CF.It's annoying to the point that, while my shop does both FMP and CF, we try to avoid linking them when possible. That said, there are some options: Ideally, you could port the DB to something like MySQL.If the client or whoever still needs the FMP interface, there are tricks you can use to push the data from FMP to the SQL server, but it won't be real-time. It's worth noting that I've not done this, but my boss has for several websites. If this won't work, and if the data is small enough, you could do an XML dump and run CF directly off of it.Not the best option.I *think* that you can query FMP and get XML results, but I'm not sure how to do it.If this is the road you want to go down, I work with one of the leading experts on FMP and XML. Finally, you can use something like Instant Web Publishing to do a poor-man's lookup -- that is, use CFHTTP to call the DB and parse the data returned by IWP.I've done something like this, but simpler (for updates/inserts only) and it was a serious PITA. I hope something in there helps.Good luck. --Ben Doom Sangeeta Karmokar wrote: Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server
It's been a while, but I do not think it can be done successfully. I have used a product in the past called Lasso http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/ that sounds like it may be your best bet if you wish to stick with FileMaker. Lasso connects directly to FileMaker unlimited. Dave - Original Message - From: Barney Boisvert To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: RE: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server A quick Googling indicates that there is a FileMaker JDBC driver, but that it's not quite up to spec, poorly built, and is only available when you buy FileMaker Server.Since JDBC is all CF understands, I think you're going to be stuck for a native connection.You might be able to bridge it across ODBC or something, but who knows if that's even possible, let alone stable. Cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server I don't think you can connect FileMaker to CF directly. IIRC, Allaire did something with drivers for FM and CFExpress, but I don't think it flew. You could try exporting the FileMaker db to XML and then using the XML with CF. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sangeeta Karmokar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
From what I understand of my FMP-oriented associates, you're right that the JDBC and ODBC drivers for FMP suck royally, especially in the stability department. Also, I get the impression that if you are going to web publish from FM Unlimited, you will get better results using CDML than Lasso, but YYMV. Also, if Lasso only connects to Unlimited, then they'd still have to invest in a copy of that (rather than FMP) wich can be pretty pricey. --Ben Doom David Fafard wrote: It's been a while, but I do not think it can be done successfully. I have used a product in the past called Lasso http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/ that sounds like it may be your best bet if you wish to stick with FileMaker. Lasso connects directly to FileMaker unlimited. Dave [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
I was able to connect FileMaker Pro to CFMX (the original port) about a year ago (or so). As I recall there were some esoteric settings you had to make in FileMaker to allow the connection. I was able to use FM databases in a CFMX development environment, but don't know if the connection is/was reliable enough for production/ I have a pretty full schedule, so it will take me a couple of days to get back up to speed. But, yes, it can/has been done! Dick On Feb 18, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: A quick Googling indicates that there is a FileMaker JDBC driver, but that it's not quite up to spec, poorly built, and is only available when you buy FileMaker Server. Since JDBC is all CF understands, I think you're going to be stuck for a native connection. You might be able to bridge it across ODBC or something, but who knows if that's even possible, let alone stable. Cheers, barneyb -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server I don't think you can connect FileMaker to CF directly. IIRC, Allaire did something with drivers for FM and CFExpress, but I don't think it flew. You could try exporting the FileMaker db to XML and then using the XML with CF. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Sangeeta Karmokar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: Re:Transfer to Mac OS X Server Urgent help I am using Filemaker Pro server on mac and trying to connect database to the coldfusion server and make websites work. how should i go around that. I have installed JRun/CFMX in /Applications/jrun4 directory. I really need serious help.. Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Transfer to Mac OS X Server
Can anyone help me Please Intially I was working on PC so Coldfusion Server was running on PC, but now in my office they have shifted PC to Mac OS X. You know in PC how we cansave all database in db folder and cfm pages in WWWroot folder of the server and then later from Admin section we can map the folder. but in Mac Server I am not sure where to save the database files and cfm files? I know we have to create a separate server for each project but where to save the database file and cfm pages and how to map it? I will be thankful if you can help me Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 22:56, Sangeeta Karmokar wrote: Can anyone help me Please Intially I was working on PC so Coldfusion Server was running on PC, but now in my office they have shifted PC to Mac OS X. Congratulations :) You know in PC how we cansave all database in db folder and cfm pages in WWWroot folder of the server and then later from Admin section we can map the folder. but in Mac Server I am not sure where to save the database files and cfm files? I do not know where they are on Mac Server, and I assume there is no GUI on Mac server (if so it's probably in Macinthosh HD then Applications; however if it is the same directory structure as linux look in /opt/coldfusionmx/, or in the apache (I am assuming) directory. If you have GUI open a terminal if not just type: [computer:~you]$ find / -name *.cfm that will find all the .cfm files on your system, that should give you a clue as to where to start looking. if that goes by too fast try: [computer:~you]$ find / -name *.cfm | more I know we have to create a separate server for each project but where to save the database file and cfm pages and how to map it? Map it? Like create a short cut, share the directory over the network, or map it in cold fusion administrator? network stuff depends on what you are using - and I cant say for sure how you are doing it, but if you mean map it like a short cut on windows [computer:~you]$ ln -s /Applications/something /private/somewhere that makes a short cut from /Applications/something to /private/somewhere (meaning when you go into /private/somewhere you get the files in /Applications/something) if you have a gui hold the ctrl key click on the folder and choose make alias. If you are going to do a lot of work with mac stuff I suggest you check out the bash and csh shells. I hope I was close to answering your questions ;) -- Vale, Rob Luxuria immodica insaniam creat. Sanam formam viatae conservate! http://www.rohanclan.com http://treebeard.sourceforge.net http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Transfer to Mac OS X Server
Sangeeta , I do all my CFMX development on OS X. I really don't see much difference between running JRun/CFMX on Windows and Mac. I changed the install directories from /opt/jrun4 to /Applications/jrun4 and /opt/cfmx to /Applications/cfmx. It isn't necessary but to work in /opt you need to be root, and the Finder (the Mac equivalent to Windows Explorer) by default hides a lot of those directories (/etc, /opt, /var) from the user thus it's much harder to work in them. From inside the JRun and CFMX admins, the only difference you'll really notice is that your directory delimiter is different, from \ on Windows to / on the Mac OS. I wonder about your save all the database in db folder statement. Are you using MDB files (from Access)? If so, you'll need to find some other option. There really is no comparable db in the Mac world that is usable by ColdFusion. MySQL will run just fine (get the distribution from http://www.entropy.ch/) but there's no built in GUI. However there are a number of excellent third-party JDBC interfaces available (SQLGrinder, phpmyadmin, sql4x). OS X uses Apache as it's web server and has that installed by default. The default location for the server (http://localhost/) webroot is /Library/Webserver/Documents, but user's web documents (http://localhost/~username) are in /Users/username/Sites. In my experience this doesn't really lend itself to portable development. I set up aliases to localhost using Netinfo Manager and an Apache configuration file with NamedVirtualHosts (if you save this into /private/etc/httpd/users/ any upgrades to the OS won't overwrite them). I'm sure I left something out... -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words.If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words. (Philip K. Dick) On Feb 17, 2004, at 1:56 AM, Sangeeta Karmokar wrote: Can anyone help me Please Intially I was working on PC so Coldfusion Server was running on PC, but now in my office they have shifted PC to Mac OS X. You know in PC how we cansave all database in db folder and cfm pages in WWWroot folder of the server and then later from Admin section we can map the folder. but in Mac Server I am not sure where to save the database files and cfm files? I know we have to create a separate server for each project but where to save the database file and cfm pages and how to map it? I will be thankful if you can help me Regards Sangeeta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
Sean Have you had any luck Publishing Web services -- navigating the pain, er, ah, plain of jars? Dick On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 10:28 AM, Sean A Corfield wrote: I tried a few other combinations of moving .jar files around but I can't yet get both consuming and producing to work... I'll continue to work on this today! __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 07:52 , Dick Applebaum wrote: Have you had any luck Publishing Web services -- navigating the pain, er, ah, plain of jars? *groan* Not yet. I'm talking to the ColdFusion team to see if I can find out why / how the environment for the stub compiles is different to the environment for the CFMX application itself. This is very high on my list of not-quite-work tasks! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 11:20 , Dave Watts wrote: I think being able to use a known, production-quality web server is much more important than being able to use Verity. You might still be able to Interesting. Yes, I guess so. Well, I don't stand much chance of solving the connector problem - we used to distribute the connector source because it was a simple connector but now it contains a lot of extra logic and provides far more than just simple Apache / JRun connectivity so it's become somewhat of a closely-guarded secret, even internally! connect to a Verity K2 server on a Linux/Solaris/Windows server, anyway (I don't know enough about how CFSEARCH works under the covers to answer that myself). So, you disable the CFCOLLECTION and CFINDEX tags, and you're all set! I think I figured out how to tell CFMX not to use the (native) DLL files (it's in one of the many XML configuration files!) - but I'm not sure how easy it would be to substitute a new implementation written in CFML (or even in Java). In fact, I think getting web services working might be a bigger deal, in the long run. Yes, this is high on my list - mostly because I want to play with Web Services and I don't like being denied by technology! :) Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Interesting. Yes, I guess so. Well, I don't stand much chance of solving the connector problem - we used to distribute the connector source because it was a simple connector but now it contains a lot of extra logic and provides far more than just simple Apache / JRun connectivity so it's become somewhat of a closely-guarded secret, even internally! For the life of me, I can't imagine what this extra logic could be doing. The web server gets a request with a file extension, it hands that request off to the CF server. If anything else is going on in there, that may raise potentially interesting questions for optimal server configuration. It would be nice if MM would provide a little information about how this may impact filesystem permissions and the like. Can you provide a hint about what this logic does? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
I remember my 'nix guy mentioned some kind of discovery type functionality going on when setting up in distributed mode. The front end mysteriously spoke to the app server to register itself as the front end. Something to that effect...Was weird...kinda cool though. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Interesting. Yes, I guess so. Well, I don't stand much chance of solving the connector problem - we used to distribute the connector source because it was a simple connector but now it contains a lot of extra logic and provides far more than just simple Apache / JRun connectivity so it's become somewhat of a closely-guarded secret, even internally! For the life of me, I can't imagine what this extra logic could be doing. The web server gets a request with a file extension, it hands that request off to the CF server. If anything else is going on in there, that may raise potentially interesting questions for optimal server configuration. It would be nice if MM would provide a little information about how this may impact filesystem permissions and the like. Can you provide a hint about what this logic does? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:04 , Dave Watts wrote: For the life of me, I can't imagine what this extra logic could be doing. My understanding is that JRun 4 supports some very sophisticated load balancing and failover functionality that is partially encapsulated in the connector. If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
JRun connector (was RE: X-server?)
My understanding is that JRun 4 supports some very sophisticated load balancing and failover functionality that is partially encapsulated in the connector. That makes perfect sense. I assume this allows the connector to proxy requests to any JRun instance whether or not it is on the same machine. While this is certainly sweet and we are glad to have it, there should be some way of separating this from the actually web server connector. By creating an open source connector between Apache and JRun you allow the community to help port the connector to the web servers. For example, I had some success porting mod_coldfusion over to Tux. -Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
My CFMX on Mac OS X just consumed a web service -- it was quite tasty Thanks Sean You do *not* want to copy webservices.jar from the CF runtime/lib to /Library/Java/Extensions/ -- it screws up getting the definition of a local cfc as a web service, i.e. the following won't work http://127.0.0.1:8500/cfdocs/exampleapps/cfc/tempconverter.cfc?wsdl So, now consuming a web service works, but publishing does not -- The .java files are created in stubs, but they are not compiled into class files Any ideas? the beat goes on! Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 04:23 , Dick Applebaum wrote: I also put a copy of java2wsdl.jar and wsdl2java.jar in the same folder. Don't need 'em. You need tt-bytecode.jar which is part of the axis-1_0 distribution. Download the Beta 3 .tar.gz from http://xml.apache.org/axis/index.html - inside axis-1_0/lib you'll find tt-bytecode.jar - cp it to /Library/Java/Extensions/ You also need xmlParserAPIs.jar which is part of the Xerces Java 2 distribution which you can download from http://gump.covalent.net/jars/latest/xml-xerces2/ - cp that to /Library/Java/Extensions/ I also cp webservices.jar from the CF runtime/lib to there but I haven't verified whether it's actually necessary. Access a web service (e.g., the Amazon one) and lo and behold!! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
it is to try to test new-gen software on hardware that is nearly 6 gens behind. Remember, we also have to pay upkeep, etc. The problem with niche markets, is that while yes, it would give us some revenue, and it would provide us with more market penetration, the problem is, will it assist and defray the cost of us developing, supporting, etc the platform. Ok, back to more work. Woo. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
Point 4 - Lack of a supported CF Mac developer platform will likely detract from CF sales and contribute to competitor sales. Those who have used CFMX on Mac OS X (I know most of them) think that is a sweet system -- superior to the other available options. I can't make this statement, because I have never developed on a Win, Solaris or Linux box. I can give this opinion: CFMX ON Mac OSX is the *Best* Web Application development system, running on the *Best* Operating system running on the *Best* Personal Computer. Just my $.02 worth: The X-server includes Apple's amazingly good WebObjects 5.0 (Java-based) application server which alone is worth the price of the box. Relatively few developers used it, but it's an amazingly fast and flexible system -- they used to sell it for $50k to the likes of Ford; now it's basically free. Who's really competing for sales for an app server on OS/X? J2EE vendors? PHP (wait, that's open source)? Perl (ditto)? Apache Tomcat (ditto)? WebObjects, Tomcat, and the Ps (PHP, Perl, Python) are plenty of *installed* competition without having to buy additional software. Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Let's not even talk about the fact that Java development on the Mac stopped at 1.1.7 + the Collections API and Swing (~ 1.1.8). Just the fact that it runs Java well makes OSX attractive! Our Java developers are literally dumping their wintel boxes for G4 TiBooks. Of course we then deploy to IBM xSeries servers on the current project. WebSphere in fact. Makes local development tough though since there's no WS for OSX. Maybe we can convince IBM to support X-Server and then run the CFMX for WebSphere app on top of it. ;) Regards, John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/TransitionPoint [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
-Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 05:37 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: snip I'll reply in-line Me too! There are lots of web developers out there (myself included) that use Macs. Yes, client side. Not server side. Yes that is exactly what I an talking about -- there are quite a few good developers using Macs, even though they can't deploy on Macs Many develop applications that are hosted by outside services. Once again, client vs. server. same as above Those who develop in CF develop apps that will be run on CF servers on some platform. That's a given Point 1 -- These Mac developers contribute to CF sales Here you missed the point, or just decided not to respond to it. Many Mac developers do *not* write Web programs for CF because they cannot run CF on a local machine -- they are more productive in Java, PHP, Perl, whatever. I would beg to differ. OS/X is a recent development, ie: last year. This means that it is so new, that for many developers, their feet for server side deployment and application design are not quite balanced on the deck yet. I have been writing Web apps on a Mac since 1997 -- My biggest mentor was doing the same years before me. I wrote mostly Perl, and yes I could test the Perl programs on the Mac -- you could even kludge together a web server that server Perl/html. Perl CGI was probably the dominent Web programming language at that time-- CF was the young, new kid, that wasn't quite mature enough to be widely accepted. Not to mention, in an ideal environment, you DEPLOY your application to a development machine. Not to the local machine. You should not test your applications on a server which DOES NOT mimic your production machine. This means if you develop on a WindowsXP machine, but deploy to a Win2k box, something has gone wrong. It should be develop on WinXP, deploy to TEST server (running win2k), verify everything still works as is, then redploy to live machine. ::shrug:: Just me being retentive again. I'm a Linux junkie. I develop on windows, or OS/2, or BeOS, or OS/X, etc, deploy to a test linux server, verify the code runs, then redeploy to production. Not all developers have (or need) the luxury of having access to an ideal development environment with several machines and the target environment, database, etc all deployed on these separate machines. How many independent contractors have the wherewith all to put together such an environment -- the time and expertise would kill any income-producing ability. Form the CF-Talk list and others, I suspect that the majority of CF developers are small shops or independent contractors. Likely, these are the ones who are fueling the majority of CF installations. I have written CF apps on a Mac and deployed them on win / unix boxes without problem. Point 2 -- These Mac developers are contributing to the sales of MM's competitors Another point! The port of the Developer system to Mac OS X alleviates this problem to some extent -- Likely, independent contractors like myself will jump at the chance to run CF locally. This should increase their productivity and they should be able to deploy more apps to supported CF platforms. So do BSD developers, Mandrake, Slackware, etc. How many actual corporate application servers have been ported to OS/X. Barely ANY, if any at all. You can run PHP and PERL. The same theory applies to the other niche market Unix/BSD world. I am talking about a Developer system here -- it obfuscates the issue to respond with an argument about corporate application servers -- not the same issue. We CANNOT port to every single platform where we have any sort of competitor, we do not have the in house staff capable of doing so. The sheer resources needed would be astronomical. I realize that, but I think a Developer system on Mac OS X would be a minor port and a minor support issue. As I mentioned later, making this Developer system a supported product is a relatively easy and inexpensive way to test the market for the OS X platform. Point 3 - Availability of an unsupported developer system on OSX will likely make a contribution to CF sales and detract from competitive sales Another point. The fact that the port is unsupported means that it takes a lot of cajoling, wheedling (not bribes), and time (especially time) to get problems fixed, or even addressed. Likely, there will not be mass acceptance of CF as a development platform, by Mac users, until there is a supported developer platform -- CF running locally, not just DWMX* This is misnomer. Who says mac users will suddenly See the Light and start developing CFML when we port an application *server* to a primarily CLIENT-SIDE operating system? Again, you are using a server-side argument against a client-side issue. I
Re: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. For Instance: A Mac server with a 60GB ATA IDE drive 256 MB ram, etc., is about $3k, I can do that with SCSI for less in an Intel box. On top of the fact that who uses ATA IDE drives in a server? Coupled with the fact that they don't offer harware RAID (which I wouldn't buy any production box without), etc., I would never be able to get it past upper management. I wouldn't even try. I'd love to have OS/X on a server, but Intel Linux or even Intel Win2k is cheaper. Not even saying anything about administrative costs due to inexperience with Apple hardware or software. Don't know enough about servers to respond other that there are several price points. http://www.apple.com/xserve/ One of these days, someone will do some benchmarks to make a realistic comparison of the Mac offering to the competition The lowest cost iMAC is pretty cheap (as far as desktops go), but again - I could do intel cheaper. Yes, but you might be more productive on a Mac Love the interface, love the fact it's on a BSD-based core, but it'll never have an inroad here without more offerings at less price. You can get a classic iMac starting at $799 (new, better used) This is a lot faster, etc than the old iMac I used for the port of CFMX to OS X -- and it has exactly the same OS, Java, Apache, Perl, yadda, yadda, yadda http://www.apple.com/imac/g3/ Dick -Original Message- From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 02:19 , Dick Applebaum wrote: You do *not* want to copy webservices.jar from the CF runtime/lib to /Library/Java/Extensions/ -- it screws up getting the definition of a local cfc as a web service, i.e. the following won't work http://127.0.0.1:8500/cfdocs/exampleapps/cfc/tempconverter.cfc?wsdl Nor will: http://127.0.0.1:8500/cfdocs/exampleapps/cfc/tempconverter.cfc as I just found out. Rats! I tried a few other combinations of moving .jar files around but I can't yet get both consuming and producing to work... I'll continue to work on this today! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
HHmm those mac portables starting to look much more attractive now...hehe -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 02:19 , Dick Applebaum wrote: You do *not* want to copy webservices.jar from the CF runtime/lib to /Library/Java/Extensions/ -- it screws up getting the definition of a local cfc as a web service, i.e. the following won't work http://127.0.0.1:8500/cfdocs/exampleapps/cfc/tempconverter.cfc?wsdl Nor will: http://127.0.0.1:8500/cfdocs/exampleapps/cfc/tempconverter.cfc as I just found out. Rats! I tried a few other combinations of moving .jar files around but I can't yet get both consuming and producing to work... I'll continue to work on this today! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Mac's are nice machines to look at (IMHO, so dont bother with your Mac-o-lite rants :-) No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 10:28 AM, Sean A Corfield wrote: I tried a few other combinations of moving .jar files around but I can't yet get both consuming and producing to work... I'll continue to work on this today! Yeah, I did that too -- kinda' like playing those bar games with dice cups and 6 dice each -- there are so many components (jars) and a multitude of combinations -- it takes some skill, but it's mainly luck. Dick __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Just for argument's sake - in a P4 (2.54Ghz), it is VERY difficult to get up to $4,300. I spec'ed out what you just said, included a 17 flat screen, 80GB HD, etc, and I didn't come up with $4300. Much closer to $3500. That's in a precision (business-class line). I can't even get that close with a Dimension, which can still be a pretty high-end box. Like $2,750 for the Dimension. So...Not to get in a war of the specs with you, I just have not been able to realistically find Wintel not being cheaper. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Almost all our developers develop on their local machine. There's a typically a test environment available but that's typically used when sanitizing and testing a build in dev before releasing to QA... -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? snip I'll reply in-line There are lots of web developers out there (myself included) that use Macs. Yes, client side. Not server side. Many develop applications that are hosted by outside services. Once again, client vs. server. Those who develop in CF develop apps that will be run on CF servers on some platform. That's a given Point 1 -- These Mac developers contribute to CF sales Many Mac developers do *not* write Web programs for CF because they cannot run CF on a local machine -- they are more productive in Java, PHP, Perl, whatever. I would beg to differ. OS/X is a recent development, ie: last year. This means that it is so new, that for many developers, their feet for server side deployment and application design are not quite balanced on the deck yet. Not to mention, in an ideal environment, you DEPLOY your application to a development machine. Not to the local machine. You should not test your applications on a server which DOES NOT mimic your production machine. This means if you develop on a WindowsXP machine, but deploy to a Win2k box, something has gone wrong. It should be develop on WinXP, deploy to TEST server (running win2k), verify everything still works as is, then redploy to live machine. ::shrug:: Just me being retentive again. I'm a Linux junkie. I develop on windows, or OS/2, or BeOS, or OS/X, etc, deploy to a test linux server, verify the code runs, then redeploy to production. Point 2 -- These Mac developers are contributing to the sales of MM's competitors The port of the Developer system to Mac OS X alleviates this problem to some extent -- Likely, independent contractors like myself will jump at the chance to run CF locally. This should increase their productivity and they should be able to deploy more apps to supported CF platforms. So do BSD developers, Mandrake, Slackware, etc. How many actual corporate application servers have been ported to OS/X. Barely ANY, if any at all. You can run PHP and PERL. The same theory applies to the other niche market Unix/BSD world. We CANNOT port to every single platform where we have any sort of competitor, we do not have the in house staff capable of doing so. The sheer resources needed would be astronomical. Point 3 - Availability of an unsupported developer system on OSX will likely make a contribution to CF sales and detract from competitive sales The fact that the port is unsupported means that it takes a lot of cajoling, wheedling (not bribes), and time (especially time) to get problems fixed, or even addressed. Likely, there will not be mass acceptance of CF as a development platform, by Mac users, until there is a supported developer platform -- CF running locally, not just DWMX* This is misnomer. Who says mac users will suddenly See the Light and start developing CFML when we port an application *server* to a primarily CLIENT-SIDE operating system? It's like developing a copy of dreamweaver to, say, Tru64. Your porting a client side application to a server side OS. Same applies to Linux, Solaris and BSD. * It's ironic that DWMX on the Mac contributes to the sales of CF competitors -- Mac users can develop in competitive languages that *do* run on the Mac, while CF does not. No, empowering the user is what Macromedia is about. Therefore, selling client-dev applications contributes to total revenue for Macromedia, which makes us happy. This does not mean that we should force CFML down the throats of Mac developers by removing functionality in DWMX to force them to use the new shiny CFMX for OS/X. Point 4 - Lack of a supported CF Mac developer platform will likely detract from CF sales and contribute to competitor sales. Those who have used CFMX on Mac OS X (I know most of them) think that is a sweet system -- superior to the other available options. I can't make this statement, because I have never developed on a Win, Solaris or Linux box. I can give this opinion: CFMX ON Mac OSX is the *Best* Web Application development system, running on the *Best* Operating system running on the *Best* Personal Computer. I can give this opinion: CFMX on Linux is the best Web Application development system, running the *Best* Operating system running on the *Best* Personal computer. I betcha 30$ that my Linux workstation (Dual Pentium 4 1.4 GHZ, 2 gigs of Ram, an brand new Radeon card) running
RE: X-server?
We spend much more for the Solaris equivalent -Original Message- From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Mac's are nice machines to look at (IMHO, so donít bother with your Mac-o-lite rants :-) No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I am curious, what do you use a floppy for? Is it the requirement of your OS or your application? I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years -- The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images. These can be copied to hard disk, uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even copied to a floppy disk). all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software built in with a real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a crossover cable to connect 2 Macs -- The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and adjusts accordingly. All Macs come with a web server: Apache. all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and free trial internet connection All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple web Server (this will change soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies). sneaker-net is not needed All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really need a floppy you can get one for about $100 (last time i looked) I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator Virtual PC for $90 (if you already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, or Win200. This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux. So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost. HTH Dick -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I thought that the original discussion was about OS-X in the server world, not the desktop world. Here is a good comparo, from a Linux site, so it's not pro or anti apple by nature. It talks about the cost analysis a little bit. http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0724.macx.html It also has a link to some bench mark results and some other good stuff. Just food for thought. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Just for argument's sake - in a P4 (2.54Ghz), it is VERY difficult to get up to $4,300. I spec'ed out what you just said, included a 17 flat screen, 80GB HD, etc, and I didn't come up with $4300. Much closer to $3500. That's in a precision (business-class line). I can't even get that close with a Dimension, which can still be a pretty high-end box. Like $2,750 for the Dimension. So...Not to get in a war of the specs with you, I just have not been able to realistically find Wintel not being cheaper. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Hi Dick :-) Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or any type of server environment. I know you are a Mac-man and indeed will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving.. As for a floppy (just one example), lets say I have a 1.2 meg file which I dont want to email to myself as I only have a 56K connection, I want to move it to my other machine which has no Zip and I dont want to waste a CD on the data i.e. USE A FLOPPY! They still have their uses... -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 20:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Mac's are nice machines to look at (IMHO, so donít bother with your Mac-o-lite rants :-) No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I am curious, what do you use a floppy for? Is it the requirement of your OS or your application? I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years -- The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images. These can be copied to hard disk, uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even copied to a floppy disk). all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software built in with a real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a crossover cable to connect 2 Macs -- The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and adjusts accordingly. All Macs come with a web server: Apache. all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and free trial internet connection All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple web Server (this will change soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies). sneaker-net is not needed All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really need a floppy you can get one for about $100 (last time i looked) I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator Virtual PC for $90 (if you already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, or Win200. This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux. So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost. HTH Dick -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
That's the best article I've seen yet, but on their price compares, I still can't come up with the numbers they're using for intel + linux. If you're comparing X-serv to a more commercial product such as a sun server, I believe that apple might stack up very nicely. And win2k is more expensive, at least from a software perspective, certainly. I'm still seeing Intel+Linux being 20% under the price of Apple hardware. Might be worth the difference, who knows. -Original Message- From: Buddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? I thought that the original discussion was about OS-X in the server world, not the desktop world. Here is a good comparo, from a Linux site, so it's not pro or anti apple by nature. It talks about the cost analysis a little bit. http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0724.macx.html It also has a link to some bench mark results and some other good stuff. Just food for thought. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Just for argument's sake - in a P4 (2.54Ghz), it is VERY difficult to get up to $4,300. I spec'ed out what you just said, included a 17 flat screen, 80GB HD, etc, and I didn't come up with $4300. Much closer to $3500. That's in a precision (business-class line). I can't even get that close with a Dimension, which can still be a pretty high-end box. Like $2,750 for the Dimension. So...Not to get in a war of the specs with you, I just have not been able to realistically find Wintel not being cheaper. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
I think Apple's X-Serve is a very solid and attractive offer for folks running in a Solaris environment. Way cheaper. -Original Message- From: Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Hi Dick :-) Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or any type of server environment. I know you are a Mac-man and indeed will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving.. As for a floppy (just one example), lets say I have a 1.2 meg file which I don't want to email to myself as I only have a 56K connection, I want to move it to my other machine which has no Zip and I don't want to waste a CD on the data i.e. USE A FLOPPY! They still have their uses... -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 20:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Mac's are nice machines to look at (IMHO, so donít bother with your Mac-o-lite rants :-) No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I am curious, what do you use a floppy for? Is it the requirement of your OS or your application? I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years -- The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images. These can be copied to hard disk, uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even copied to a floppy disk). all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software built in with a real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a crossover cable to connect 2 Macs -- The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and adjusts accordingly. All Macs come with a web server: Apache. all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and free trial internet connection All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple web Server (this will change soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies). sneaker-net is not needed All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really need a floppy you can get one for about $100 (last time i looked) I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator Virtual PC for $90 (if you already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, or Win200. This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux. So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost. HTH Dick -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
amen to that! -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? We spend much more for the Solaris equivalent -Original Message- From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
But my OS is better. And Cheaper. OS/2 WARP WILL NEVER DIE. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? amen to that! -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? We spend much more for the Solaris equivalent -Original Message- From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Going OT (was: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:42 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for argument's sake - in a P4 (2.54Ghz), it is VERY difficult to get up to $4,300. I spec'ed out what you just said, included a 17 flat screen, 80GB HD, etc, and I didn't come up with $4300. Much closer to $3500. The prices included about $800 of software on both systems. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Going OT (was: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 , Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Neither I nor my wife can be bothered with that - we want a standard, vendor-supported machine. No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I haven't used a floppy disk for about two years. Nor has my wife. I haven' t actually had a floppy disk drive on my computer for two years! I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? Actually, yes, we included Virtual PC in the Mac package, just to cover any software she might still want to run, but we priced it up with all new software on both machines (MS Office, virus software etc - and she'll run Macromedia Studio MX but that's the same price on both platforms). If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 12:29 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: But my OS is better. And Cheaper. OS/2 WARP WILL NEVER DIE. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy If CP/M can't do it, it's not worth doing! Dick __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or any type of server environment. I know you are a Mac-man and indeed will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving.. That's a very silly statement. I'm not a Mac-man myself, and I generally agree with Macromedia's decision not to expend resources getting CF MX working on OS X, but I don't see why OS X machines aren't good enough for development or serving. They're certainly far better, in general, for both than Windows 95/98/ME - OSs that could run various versions of CF. The fact that they're not as good as Windows is simply that MM doesn't provide the software for that platform - if that changed overnight, they'd be just as good for CF development. The problem with OS X isn't functionality or robustness, but rather just lateness-to-market. I think that if CF MX did, in fact, run fully on OS X, that OS X would be just as good a platform for either CF development or service as Windows, and a much better development platform than other Unices. If I were starting a generic development shop from scratch (with no existing Windows-dependent infrastructure), I'd seriously consider getting Macs for both the developers and support staff. As for the floppy drive thing, you can certainly get one for your Mac if you like. I use floppy drives quite a bit, but I think that they're really not necessary or useful for most people. Finally, this thread is getting pretty off-topic, I think. Dick wants to push MM to provide a developers' version of CF MX, that's one thing. Debating the general merits of Macs vs PCs is another. Of course, now that I've contributed to this thread, I'm as blameworthy as the rest of you, I guess. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 12:12 PM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: Hi Dick :-) Good points, but they are still not sturdy enough for hi-end client or any type of server environment. I know you are a Mac-man and indeed will push it much like a Microsoftian :-p but in this case you can go on and on about it, and it will still always come down to the fact that they wont be as good as Windoze (or others) for development or serving.. I will challenge you on the development side. I can run Mac, Win, Linux browsers concurrently on the same box to test the look and feel of a web site that is totally contained and served from the same box, all the while running screen grabbers, Photoshop, Word/Excel, etc, Mail Client, Mail Server, DB Server and do it in 15 cu inches of desk space (nothing under the desk) for under $800, hardware costs. The apps and OSes cost the same as for Intel platforms. I can't address the server side -- that, it is not my area of expertise. However, another post references an article that shows some benchmarks and true cost comparisons -- to me they seemed to indicate that the Mac Xserv was price/performance competitive with both Linux and Windows server solutions. As for a floppy (just one example), lets say I have a 1.2 meg file which I donít want to email to myself as I only have a 56K connection, I want to move it to my other machine which has no Zip and I donít want to waste a CD on the data i.e. USE A FLOPPY! They still have their uses... Why not just connect the computers together -- Been able to do that with the Mac since 1984 (built-in) and with PCs before that What if the file is 6 Meg? Seriously, you need floppies because of your hardware/software choice, I made a different choice. So for the price of an ethernet cable I can network any Mac made in the last 10 years (before that it was the cost of an Appletalk cable) I routinely backup one computer's drives to another's over ethernet. With the new wireless connection, I no longer need the cable. There are millions of Mac users out there that don't realize that they need floppies-- they just keep going on oblivious of their predicament %^) Dick -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 20:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 11:17 AM, Neil Robertson-Ravo =TMM= wrote: I think price is not really issue at the mo (surely peripherals are so cheap that building your own is probably cheaper!?) Mac's are nice machines to look at (IMHO, so donÌt bother with your Mac-o-lite rants :-) No matter how much it moves on though, an iMac not only looks stoopid, but it has no floppy drive (yes, we still need them!)... I am curious, what do you use a floppy for? Is it the requirement of your OS or your application? I haven't needed or used a floppy drive in 4 years -- The Mac OS works very nicely with floppy or CD Images. These can be copied to hard disk, uploaded, downloaded, emailed, burned to CD (and yes, even copied to a floppy disk). all Macs come with NFS and AFP networking hardware and software built in with a real plug and play interface -- you don't even require a crossover cable to connect 2 Macs -- The hardware/software determines the type of ethernet cable and adjusts accordingly. All Macs come with a web server: Apache. all Macs come with internet connection hardware, software and free trial internet connection All Macs come with a free 20 MB personal disk space on an Apple web Server (this will change soon to $99/year for 100MB disk space plus some other goodies). sneaker-net is not needed All of the above can be used to exchange files -- If you really need a floppy you can get one for about $100 (last time i looked) I priced up the same configuration on an iMac I'm intrigued Was it running Windows :-)? No, Mac OSX, but you could get an emulator Virtual PC for $90 (if you already own Win) or $90 -$140 more if you want to buy win 98, XP Home, or Win200. This also allows you to emulate other Intel OSes such as RH Linux. So, dollar-wise, I think the cost of the Mac is still lower cost. HTH Dick -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 August 2002 19:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple may be getting more competitive, but I still think an Intel solution can be deployed cheaper than an Apple solution. I priced up a new high-end Wintel desktop for my wife. A Dell at $4,300 including software and peripherals. Our of curiosity, I priced up the same configuration on an iMac and it was $3,500. (17 flat screen, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD (I think), Zip Drive, MS Office, etc). $800 is a big saving... If you're
RE: X-server?
Speaking of OS/2.you can now run that on Virtual PC (Mac or Windows) -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? But my OS is better. And Cheaper. OS/2 WARP WILL NEVER DIE. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? amen to that! -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? We spend much more for the Solaris equivalent -Original Message- From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Plus, once you've spent all the $$ on the X-Server, you don't have cash left for software :) From what I've seen Apple is really doing well on the price points as far as being competitive with other offerings. Am I wrong on this? IMHO, despite how cool the X-Server is, Apple's about 5 years late in getting a good server out -- though they needed the solid OS to get to this point -- and they have a lot of catching up to do. Our local (pretty high-tech) schools are excited. Some graphics houses I know are excited. Mainly because they have a small form-factor file server. Well, Microsoft was at about 15 years late getting a good desktop operating system out, so maybe there's hope. ;-) John Venable __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On 8/1/02, Dick Applebaum penned: I will challenge you on the development side. Me too. Anything I do on my Mac gets done much quicker than when I try and do the same thing on Windows. Just little things, like when I want to hilite and select a block of text. Click, drag, and when you get to the end, Windows insists that THIS isn't the block of text you want. You also need these 2 characters at the end and this one at the beginning. Stuff like that just makes me want to take a hammer to the monitor. My Mac lets me do exactly what I want to do, exactly how I want to do it, and never argues with me about it. :) My NT and 2000 servers work great mind you, and my little Win95 CF development server too. But for development, there's no comparison in my book. I guess it's just what you're used to. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 12:16 , Dick Applebaum wrote: Can anyone tell me/ point me to what is supposed to happen when you invove a web service. CFMX parses the WSDL and generates Java stub files. These are then compiled. The result allows CFMX to execute the Web Service (subsequent calls use the precompiled stubs). the Java files generated are in /opt/coldfusionmx/stubs/WS330149168/Net/xmethods/www are: BabelFishBindingStub.java BabelFishPortType.java BabelFishService.java BabelFishServiceLocator.java AFAIK, the only file missing is: BabelFishService.class However, I can't figure out who is responsible for generating the missing file -- or where to start looking. CFMX tries to compile these files but they don't compile. My sense is that the environment that CFMX uses to compile the stubs doesn't have the org.apache.* classes in it (I tried to javac the files by hand and it couldn't resolve those items). It *may* be as simple as changing some configuration file somewhere or it may require adding the appropriate .jar file to the classpath or something else. It's on my list of things to figure out... but it's down the list a page or two! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:38 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: CFMX tries to compile these files but they don't compile. My sense is that the environment that CFMX uses to compile the stubs doesn't have the org.apache.* classes in it (I tried to javac the files by hand and it couldn't resolve those items). I searched the Linux install for org.apache and found nothing. Could it be that CFMX assumes that Apache, and the required classes, are pre-installed (not part of the CFMX install)? Would that also mean that consuming web services is *Not* supported with the CFMX Default web server? Do you know what ckasses are required and where I can get them? Aren't I persistent? TIA Dick It *may* be as simple as changing some configuration file somewhere or it may require adding the appropriate .jar file to the classpath or something else. It's on my list of things to figure out... but it's down the list a page or two! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 02:14 , Dick Applebaum wrote: Could it be that CFMX assumes that Apache, and the required classes, are pre-installed (not part of the CFMX install)? No, it's the Axis code and it's buried somewhere in one of the .jar files installed with CFMX. Would that also mean that consuming web services is *Not* supported with the CFMX Default web server? Huh? The web server has nothing to do with consuming web services. Do you know what ckasses are required and where I can get them? See above. I'm off to the doctor but I'll make a concerted effort to figure this out when I get back OK? Aren't I persistent? It's part of your charm... Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
All of the Web services stuff is in webservices.jar. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server? On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 01:38 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: CFMX tries to compile these files but they don't compile. My sense is that the environment that CFMX uses to compile the stubs doesn't have the org.apache.* classes in it (I tried to javac the files by hand and it couldn't resolve those items). I searched the Linux install for org.apache and found nothing. Could it be that CFMX assumes that Apache, and the required classes, are pre-installed (not part of the CFMX install)? Would that also mean that consuming web services is *Not* supported with the CFMX Default web server? Do you know what ckasses are required and where I can get them? Aren't I persistent? TIA Dick It *may* be as simple as changing some configuration file somewhere or it may require adding the appropriate .jar file to the classpath or something else. It's on my list of things to figure out... but it's down the list a page or two! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 02:20 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
All of the Web services stuff is in webservices.jar.
OK, I made webservices.jar accessable to Mac OS X JVM with a quick fix
that works for the jdbc drivers-- putting a copy in
/Library/Java/Extensions *
I also put a copy of java2wsdl.jar and wsdl2java.jar in the same folder.
This still fails, but the nature of the error has changed (below)
* when I first started porting CFMX to OS X, Jesse Noller said I should
look in /runtime/bin/jvm.config
for clue to how the java classpath parameters should be changed to
reflect that we were using the Mac OSX JVM not the one installed by
CFMX. This was pretty hard from my perspective -- I didn't have the
java source, so I was reverse engineering (in a foreign language). I
changed the parameters as best I could determine (not being a Java
person) to no avail -- these didn't solve the problem I was having at
the tine (not finding the pointbase jdbc driver)
By accident, I stumbled on another driver (not CFMX) in the
/Library/Java/Extensions folder -- I copied the pointbase driver there,
and Voila!, it worked (CFMX forund it).
One thing always bothered me about the jvm.config file -- the
# JVM classpath
java.class.path={application.home}/runtime/../../src,{application.home}/lib/
cfusion.jar,{application.home}/runtime/pointbase/lib/pbclient42RE.jar,
{application.home}/runtime/pointbase/lib/pbembedded42RE.jar,{application.home}
/runtime/pointbase/lib/pbserver42RE.jar,{application.home}/runtime/pointbase/
lib/pbtools42RE.jar,{application.home}/runtime/lib/webservices.jar
As near as I could figure {application.home} should be /opt/coldfusionmx
But, the first path didn't make any sense
{application.home}/runtime/../../src as there was no src folder 2
levels above /runtime/ in the Linux install
When I started having problems with WS compilation, I remembered this --
don't know if it is related or not!
Sure is tedious doing this with a blindfold -- seems as though the right
person, with knowledge of what is supposed to happen and how all the
pieces fit together, would have the necessary info at his fingertips.
As-Is, I've been fiddling with this for about a week.
Anyway here is the failure with the repositioned jar files:
Dick
P.S. I also found some Axis docs among the CFMX docs am reviewing them
now!
Error Occurred While Processing Request
com/techtrader/modules/tools/bytecode/BCEntity
The Error Occurred in /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: line
10
8 : cfinvokeargument
9 : name=sourcedata value=Hello world, friend
10 : /cfinvoke
11 : cfoutput#varName#/cfoutput
12 :
Please Try The Following:
* Check the CFML Reference Manual to verify that you are using the
correct syntax.
* Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem.
Browser Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC)
Remote Address 127.0.0.1
Referer http://127.0.0.1:8500/mycfmxapps/
Date/Time 31-Jul-02 02:59 PM
Stack Trace (click to expand)
at
cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm:
10) at
cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm:
10)
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
com/techtrader/modules/tools/bytecode/BCEntity
at org.apache.axis.wsdl.toJava.Emitter.(Emitter.java:533)
at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown
Source)
at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown
Source)
at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebService(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebServiceProxy(Unknown
Source)
at coldfusion.tagext.lang.InvokeTag.doEndTag(Unknown Source)
at
cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm:
10)
at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(Unknown
Source)
at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(Unknown Source)
at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(Unknown Source)
at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106)
at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
at
jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:241)
at
RE: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/techtrader/modules/tools/bytecode/BCEntity Looks like your classpath is still wrong as the above error means that the JVM can't find the class com.techtrader.modules.tools.bytecode.BCEntity. You should verify that that class is in the classpath and/or even exists. -Matt __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
Thanks Matt There is no com nor techtrader nor BCEntity anywhere within the Linux install (either as a filename or in the content of any file) -- I ported everything across as installed. Is the above part of the CFMX Linux install? If not where do I get it? TIA Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 04:37 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/techtrader/modules/tools/bytecode/BCEntity Looks like your classpath is still wrong as the above error means that the JVM can't find the class com.techtrader.modules.tools.bytecode.BCEntity. You should verify that that class is in the classpath and/or even exists. -Matt __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
I found the class in tt-bytecode.jar, which was part of the Axis distribution. Not sure where the class is supposed to be. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server? Thanks Matt There is no com nor techtrader nor BCEntity anywhere within the Linux install (either as a filename or in the content of any file) -- I ported everything across as installed. Is the above part of the CFMX Linux install? If not where do I get it? TIA Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 04:37 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/techtrader/modules/tools/bytecode/BCEntity Looks like your classpath is still wrong as the above error means that the JVM can't find the class com.techtrader.modules.tools.bytecode.BCEntity. You should verify that that class is in the classpath and/or even exists. -Matt __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
I found it in DWMX, not in CFMX That changed the error now it can't find: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/w3c/dom/Node But, I do have that in several places WebObjects and several others. The most promising looks to be /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/WebServerResources/Java/orgw3c/ dom/Node.class I'll put that in my classpath and see what happens Thanks Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 05:19 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: I found the class in tt-bytecode.jar, which was part of the Axis distribution. Not sure where the class is supposed to be. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services was Re: X-server?
I have had no luck getting CFMX to recognize the class path for org/w3c/dom/Node either in the startup shell script or the CFMX administrator JVM settings. No doubt, my lack of Java expertise ... I'll do some reading and see if I can make it worh I think that it is close, thanks to Matt Liotta Dick current error Error Occurred While Processing Request org/w3c/dom/Node The Error Occurred in /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: line 10 8 : cfinvokeargument 9 : name=sourcedata value=Hello world, friend 10 : /cfinvoke 11 : cfoutput#varName#/cfoutput 12 : Please Try The Following: * Check the CFML Reference Manual to verify that you are using the correct syntax. * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem. Browser Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC) Remote Address 127.0.0.1 Referer http://127.0.0.1:8500/mycfmxapps/ Date/Time 31-Jul-02 06:29 PM Stack Trace (click to expand) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/w3c/dom/Node at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl$1.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebServiceProxy(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.InvokeTag.doEndTag(Unknown Source) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(Unknown Source) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:241) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:527) at jrun.servlet.http.WebService.invokeRunnable(WebService.java:172) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 348) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:451) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 294) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 05:45 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: I found it in DWMX, not in CFMX That changed the error now it can't find: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/w3c/dom/Node But, I do have that in several places WebObjects and several others. The most promising looks to be /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaXML.framework/WebServerResources/Java/orgw3c/ dom/Node.class I'll put that in my classpath and see what happens Thanks Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 05:19 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: I found the class in tt-bytecode.jar, which was part of the Axis distribution. Not sure where the class is supposed to be. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 04:23 , Dick Applebaum wrote: I also put a copy of java2wsdl.jar and wsdl2java.jar in the same folder. Don't need 'em. You need tt-bytecode.jar which is part of the axis-1_0 distribution. Download the Beta 3 .tar.gz from http://xml.apache.org/axis/index.html - inside axis-1_0/lib you'll find tt-bytecode.jar - cp it to /Library/Java/Extensions/ You also need xmlParserAPIs.jar which is part of the Xerces Java 2 distribution which you can download from http://gump.covalent.net/jars/latest/xml-xerces2/ - cp that to /Library/Java/Extensions/ I also cp webservices.jar from the CF runtime/lib to there but I haven't verified whether it's actually necessary. Access a web service (e.g., the Amazon one) and lo and behold!! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OS X Web Services Running! was Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 10:06 , Sean A Corfield wrote: Access a web service (e.g., the Amazon one) and lo and behold!! Here's a simple example (you'll need to sign up for the Amazon developer program and get your own developer tag to go in this code!): html head titleAmazon Keyword Search/title /head cfparam name=URL.kw type=string default=ColdFusion/ cfoutput cfset kwReq = structNew() / cfset kwReq.keyword=URL.kw / cfset kwReq.page=1 / cfset kwReq.mode=books / cfset kwReq.tag=webservices-20 / cfset kwReq.type=lite / cfset kwReq.devtag=XXX your developer tag goes here XXX / cfset kwReq.version=1.0 / cfinvoke webservice=http://soap.amazon.com/schemas/AmazonWebServices.wsdl; method= KeywordSearchRequest KeywordSearchRequest=#kwReq# returnvariable=amazon/ cfset details = amazon.getDetails()/ pBooks matching #kwReq.keyword#:/p cfloop index=i from=1 to=#arrayLen(details)# !--- cfdump label=details[#i#] var=#details[i]#/ --- cfset authList = details[i].getAuthors()/ cfset authors = arrayToList(authList,, )/ p#details[i].getProductName()# by #authors# sfont color=red#details[i].getListPrice()#/font/s #details[i].getOurPrice()#/p /cfloop /cfoutput body /body /html __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
Dick Applebaum wrote: You can get most of the function of Verity with a open source package called Glimpse -- I think the latest version is available at: http://webglimpse.org/ It is Perl-based only (AFAIK), but that's no problem as Mac OS X includes Perl with every installation I used glimpse quite a bit in the 1997 time frame, when I was programming Perl sites Pretty good package, fast, complete - no stemming, though Anyway, there are other excellent packages such as imageMagik, that probably could be interfaced through Perl. There is even a Coldfusion custom tag set that works with imagemagick Jesse __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Cary- That was a joke I made. Dick was repeating it. The fact of the matter is that as always, with future versions of ColdFusion we will evaluate all given operating systems for inclusion into the supported platforms list. We do this by checking the OS user base, guesstimated ROI, time to develop, etc. OS/X will be evaluated in the future. At this time, there are no plans to support OS/X. CFMX will run on OS/X, however, it is completely unsupported, verity, apache modules, etc are inoperable, and I only help out supporting it when I have the free time (this does not occur often). No one was asking you to pay me, or any other employee of Macromedia for an OS/X port, and it was meant to be a joke. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:10 , Cary Gordon wrote: Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Perhaps you missed the point Cary: it is not the MM guy's job to create a Mac OSX Apache connector - but he'd do it 'out-of-work' if it was worth his while (and I suspect he was joking when he said it). Cheer up! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
It's a kick ass piece of hardware...I'm sure they'll take a look at supporting OSX in due time as the market grows... -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 07:29 , Dave Watts wrote: I don't think you can fake it - all it is, really, is a container for various binaries. The Apache module in there is written in C for Linux x86, Ah, I hadn't dismembered it but you're probably right. if I understand correctly. I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Not the lack of Verity? ;) There are various small problems** with the Mac setup which I expect folks will probably figure out how to solve but I wouldn't expect anyone to put it in production unless it was a supported Macromedia product. ** Debugging doesn't seem to work; Can't consume web services (stubs fail to compile); ... Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
It sounds funny, when you put it that way, but I was involved in a project a few years ago where we wanted to use CF on HP-UX and Allaire was dragging their heals about getting an HP-UX version of CF out, at one point they said they didn't even have any HP-UX boxes to work on. So we called HP (they were very hungry to be taken seriously by .coms as a server platform) and they had a server to Allaire the next morning, and before long we had our CF for HP-UX. That is a sort of simplified version of the story, but true non the less. Maybe the issue should be taken up with Apple. If they want to be taken seriously as a server platform, and I think that they are showing signs that they do, they could apply much better pressure to Macromedia to get this done then we could, or at least help make our case. -Buddy -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Dave Watts wrote: wsconfig.jar does not support Apache on OSX - because OSX is not on its list of known operating systems. I haven't had time to figure out how to fake it yet. I don't think you can fake it - all it is, really, is a container for various binaries. The Apache module in there is written in C for Linux x86, if I understand correctly. I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:20 , Ian Lurie wrote: I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. Bringing a product to market on a 'new' platform is a big expense and commitment: QA and support are much bigger issues than actually get it working. The Verity question is a big one too - I would say that there's really no chance of Verity ever working on OSX which opens the question of what the Verity-related tags should do in CFMX-for-OSX. Yes, the X Serve is a sweet beast and very reasonably priced (dammit, the Mac in general is very reasonably priced: I just quoted a Dell for my wife at $4,300 all-in so I looked at the identical setup from Apple - same software, peripherals etc - and it was only $3,500 for the equivalent iMac! ). Personally, I'd love to see us support CFMX on OSX. I'm just not holding my breath. If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Remember, a few years ago Allaire was Allaire not Macromedia and the economy was (at least according to news) flying high. On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Buddy wrote: It sounds funny, when you put it that way, but I was involved in a project a few years ago where we wanted to use CF on HP-UX and Allaire was dragging their heals about getting an HP-UX version of CF out, at one point they said they didn't even have any HP-UX boxes to work on. So we called HP (they were very hungry to be taken seriously by .coms as a server platform) and they had a server to Allaire the next morning, and before long we had our CF for HP-UX. That is a sort of simplified version of the story, but true non the less. Maybe the issue should be taken up with Apple. If they want to be taken seriously as a server platform, and I think that they are showing signs that they do, they could apply much better pressure to Macromedia to get this done then we could, or at least help make our case. -Buddy -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Dave Watts wrote: wsconfig.jar does not support Apache on OSX - because OSX is not on its list of known operating systems. I haven't had time to figure out how to fake it yet. I don't think you can fake it - all it is, really, is a container for various binaries. The Apache module in there is written in C for Linux x86, if I understand correctly. I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
You just said the magic words! niche market Here's the problem. Most people assume (as did I a long time ago) that porting to new platforms and operating systems was a simple matter of recompiling the binaries, and BAM! You've got Software. However, as this was the way I thought a few years back, I have since had my eyes opened. Generally, when we evaluate a new operating system, or distribution, we have to say: 1: How many people are going to buy said product for that platform. A: How many users have requested it? B: How many large corporations and businesses are running it? C: How many existing platform users are likely to purchase a port? Let's say it breaks down to 100,000 users. Let's say we know of 3 companies willing to buy the full product of a port. Let's say of those 100,000 users, 30 users have requested it, and the market shows a strong interest. We can then assume (within reason) a sales market of a few HUNDRED. Not thousands of users. Not with an initial port, and zero market/platform penetration. Therefore, let's assume 10 companies, 500 users. This is a conservative estimate... At say, 700$ break-in price for the base product, we can assume: 510x700= 357,000$ Now, that can be our initial money we would garner from a port. That would be the ROI (return on investment) for a product. 2: Let's now figure out development costs. Better yet! Let's base this off of porting to OS/X. A: Servers/Machines minimum of 6 for development, minimum 6 for QA, minimum 3 for technical support. At say, 5000$ a piece for each machine, that 75,000$ up front. B: Integration into the existing environment (IT misc), assume a cost of 200$/hour (salary say) minimum 10 hours. 2000$ C: Training for existing developers, technical support and QA, let's assume 4000$ a class, or misc costs, (not including man hours). Let's just make it an even 20,000 cost. (uber-conservative). D: Development man hours: let's assume that each engineer is making 30$/hr. Let's assume that minimum dev time for this is 1 month. Working only weekdays. Let's assume 4 engineers. (eight hour day) 19,200$ E: QA Man hours... Being a member of QA... well, let's say this estimates are conservative. Let's just make them the same as the engineers (HAHAHA), 19,200$ [Please note, my math my be screwed up, I'm hopping around between projects] F: Documentation! Let's just assume another 19,200$ cost. G: 3rd party licensing. Assume 50,000$ here, just to be safe. Total for basic Dev/QA: 204,600. Take the ROI, subtract the Dev cost: 152,400$ left over. Now, subtract Market training and development. Market research and penetration research. Sales research and training. Other application integration testing and design (Flash gateway, dreamweaver, etc). Take into account Support training. Pretty soon, you're making nothing. I had to do a lot of this type of research when pushing for added Linux distro support. As well as BSD and other Unixes support. Sure, on the outside, the porting process seems pretty easy. Trivial in fact. In reality, this is a software development firm, and we cannot afford to do anything half-way. We can't give everything away and we can't be loose with our release guidelines. For every single platform support we need a guarantee that our ROI will, if not defraying the immediate costs, in the long run outweigh the costs of development. Someone mentioned HP. Yeah. CF runs on HP. You have no idea how much of a nightmare it is to try to test new-gen software on hardware that is nearly 6 gens behind. Remember, we also have to pay upkeep, etc. The problem with niche markets, is that while yes, it would give us some revenue, and it would provide us with more market penetration, the problem is, will it assist and defray the cost of us developing, supporting, etc the platform. Ok, back to more work. Woo. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development Unix/Linux special guy -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? Speaking for myself, I find this really offensive (the idea of paying a Macromedia employee, not you Dick). Between my company and our clients, we give Macromedia enough money to by a room full of Mac boxes. Cary At 07:38 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Well, MM's Unix/Linux
RE: X-server?
I'd cheeerfully find a substitute for Verity - all I'd really need is support for the rest of the product on the platform. I know it's not easy - I'm not whining. Just thinking that a product I really like could be even stronger this way. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: X-server? On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:20 , Ian Lurie wrote: I don't know about offensive but it seems like Macromedia may be missing an opportunity here. The X Server is a screaming deal - inexpensive, fast and easy to work with. If CF MX worked on it it'd be a great niche market that you-know-who would have a hard time penetrating with .Net. Bringing a product to market on a 'new' platform is a big expense and commitment: QA and support are much bigger issues than actually get it working. The Verity question is a big one too - I would say that there's really no chance of Verity ever working on OSX which opens the question of what the Verity-related tags should do in CFMX-for-OSX. Yes, the X Serve is a sweet beast and very reasonably priced (dammit, the Mac in general is very reasonably priced: I just quoted a Dell for my wife at $4,300 all-in so I looked at the identical setup from Apple - same software, peripherals etc - and it was only $3,500 for the equivalent iMac! ). Personally, I'd love to see us support CFMX on OSX. I'm just not holding my breath. If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
You can get most of the function of Verity with a open source package called Glimpse -- I think the latest version is available at: http://webglimpse.org/ It is Perl-based only (AFAIK), but that's no problem as Mac OS X includes Perl with every installation I used glimpse quite a bit in the 1997 time frame, when I was programming Perl sites Pretty good package, fast, complete - no stemming, though Anyway, there are other excellent packages such as imageMagik, that probably could be interfaced through Perl. Finally, Verity is something of a straw man --I would be surprised if anyone wanting to host CFMX on a Mac would be deterred by the absence of Verity. Personally, for dynamic sites, i prefer to do text search against the content in the db, It performs sufficiently well, and involves a lot less hassle than maintaining Verity collections (MO) Dick On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 10:35 AM, Ian Lurie wrote: I'd cheeerfully find a substitute for Verity - all I'd really need is support for the rest of the product on the platform. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Not the lack of Verity? ;) I think being able to use a known, production-quality web server is much more important than being able to use Verity. You might still be able to connect to a Verity K2 server on a Linux/Solaris/Windows server, anyway (I don't know enough about how CFSEARCH works under the covers to answer that myself). So, you disable the CFCOLLECTION and CFINDEX tags, and you're all set! In fact, I think getting web services working might be a bigger deal, in the long run. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 11:20 AM, Dave Watts wrote: In fact, I think getting web services working might be a bigger deal, in the long run. I would like to try to get consuming web services working, but I don't know where to start. Can anyone tell me/ point me to what is supposed to happen when you invove a web service. For instance, the code: cfinvoke webservice =http://www.xmethods.net/sd/2001/BabelFishService.wsdl; method =BabelFish returnVariable = varName cfinvokeargument name=translationmode value=en_es cfinvokeargument name=sourcedata value=Hello world, friend /cfinvoke cfoutput#varName#/cfoutput Gives the error (below). the Java files generated are in /opt/coldfusionmx/stubs/WS330149168/Net/xmethods/www are: BabelFishBindingStub.java BabelFishPortType.java BabelFishService.java BabelFishServiceLocator.java AFAIK, the only file missing is: BabelFishService.class However, I can't figure out who is responsible for generating the missing file -- or where to start looking. Any help will be greatly apprecioated TIA Dick Error Occurred While Processing Request []java.security.PrivilegedActionException: null The Error Occurred in /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: line 10 8 : cfinvokeargument 9 : name=sourcedata value=Hello world, friend 10 : /cfinvoke 11 : cfoutput#varName#/cfoutput 12 : Please Try The Following: * Check the CFML Reference Manual to verify that you are using the correct syntax. * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem. Browser Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC) Remote Address 127.0.0.1 Referer http://127.0.0.1:8500/mycfmxapps/ Date/Time 31-Jul-02 12:03 PM Stack Trace (click to expand) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) java.security.PrivilegedActionException: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /opt/coldfusionmx/stubs/WS330149168/net/xmethods/www/BabelFishService.class (No such file or directory) at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:64) at coldfusion.jsp.JavaCompiler.load(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.jsp.JavaCompiler.compileClass(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl$2.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.registerWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebService(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.XmlRpcServiceImpl.getWebServiceProxy(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.InvokeTag.doEndTag(Unknown Source) at cfWS12ecfm1726113412.runPage(/opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/mycfmxapps/WS1.cfm: 10) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(Unknown Source) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:241) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:527) at jrun.servlet.http.WebService.invokeRunnable(WebService.java:172) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 348) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:451) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 294) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe:
X-server?
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RE: X-server?
Anyone out there installed CFMX on the new Apple X Server? I know a bunch of people who've installed it on their OS X desktops/workstations, but I don't think it's ready for production use on a server. The Verity engine doesn't work at all - it's not written in Java - and the Apache module provided with CF MX on Linux won't work with Apache on OS X. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Bummer. What IS a good UNIX config for it...? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Anyone out there installed CFMX on the new Apple X Server? I know a bunch of people who've installed it on their OS X desktops/workstations, but I don't think it's ready for production use on a server. The Verity engine doesn't work at all - it's not written in Java - and the Apache module provided with CF MX on Linux won't work with Apache on OS X. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
Redhat works for me. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/system_reqs/#linux At 06:32 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Bummer. What IS a good UNIX config for it...? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: X-server? Anyone out there installed CFMX on the new Apple X Server? I know a bunch of people who've installed it on their OS X desktops/workstations, but I don't think it's ready for production use on a server. The Verity engine doesn't work at all - it's not written in Java - and the Apache module provided with CF MX on Linux won't work with Apache on OS X. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 06:22 , Dave Watts wrote: Anyone out there installed CFMX on the new Apple X Server? I know a bunch of people who've installed it on their OS X desktops/workstations, but I don't think it's ready for production use on a server. Correct. CFMX is not supported on Mac OSX so, whilst many people - myself included - are happily running CFMX on Mac OSX, you can't rely on it and if anything doesn't work, MM can't help you. The Verity engine doesn't work at all - it's not written in Java - Verity is native code - so there's a Windows version, a Solaris version, a Linux version... but no OSX version. In fact, some of the tags that handle Verity operations are actually implemented in native code (take a look in the lib directory for .dll or .so files). and the Apache module provided with CF MX on Linux won't work with Apache on OS X. wsconfig.jar does not support Apache on OSX - because OSX is not on its list of known operating systems. I haven't had time to figure out how to fake it yet. I've also found that server debugging does not work on my OSX setup. And haven't had time to debug that. Oh, and you can't consume certain Web Services because the generated stubs fail to compile. But I'm fairly certain that's a 'simple' configuration issue and might be easy to resolve. That said, it does enough for me that it's useful - even though it is totally unsupported. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: X-server?
wsconfig.jar does not support Apache on OSX - because OSX is not on its list of known operating systems. I haven't had time to figure out how to fake it yet. I don't think you can fake it - all it is, really, is a container for various binaries. The Apache module in there is written in C for Linux x86, if I understand correctly. I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: X-server?
On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Dave Watts wrote: wsconfig.jar does not support Apache on OSX - because OSX is not on its list of known operating systems. I haven't had time to figure out how to fake it yet. I don't think you can fake it - all it is, really, is a container for various binaries. The Apache module in there is written in C for Linux x86, if I understand correctly. I think that not being able to integrate with Apache is probably the biggest thing keeping CF MX from being ready for OS X production use. Well, MM's Unix/Linux special guy says he will do an Apache thingie* for for OS X if offered a simple bribe -- an OS Serve box and a 17 flat panel display (I think he should hold out for the 22 studio display) Anyone want to contribute -- I'll pledge $500 towards a bribe! * Note thingie is a highly technical C++ programming construct. Dick Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
