RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Eddie Parra]

Redback is another impressive company...  I have been researching them a lot
lately.  They are forming well...

-Eddie

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Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's
mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of -
Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al and I'd pretty much love to get my
hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback.

Bharat Suneja

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco


> I will like to add something to this also.  I was the director of
technology
> for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco.  I couldn't find ANYONE
to
> hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry.  This isn't a
> slam, this is a fact.  There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to
> forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn
> Internetworking technologies on Cisco products.  You also have to consider
> things like this when you make a purchasing decision.  One other thing I
> think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support
> group available 24-7-365.  Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor.
>
> -Eddie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bharat Suneja
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
> thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
al
> DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
>
> The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
recommend
> and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
> Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
> products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
>
> It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
>
> Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
Cisco
> technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> those markets.
>
> And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE
> will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs
&
> CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
>
> (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
not
> used Boson tests... :-)
>
> Bharat Suneja
>
>
> "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how
long
> > time this value is going to retain its bright ??
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> > >
> > >
> > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
> some
> > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is
the
> > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down
with
> a
> > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> > >
> > > andy
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi guys
> > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much
> > > more
> > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u
> think
> > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies
> like
> > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
> > > discuss
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mohamed
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Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Erick B.]

Comments inline.

Eddie said:

> > I will like to add something to this also.  I was
> the director of technology for a startup .dot-com
> before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE
> to hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme,
> or Foundry.  This isn't a slam, this is a fact.
> There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to

True. But I argue that a skilled savvy-tech person can
work on any others vendors box that runs the same
standard protocols (or similar) in a short period of
time given access to the gear, docs, etc. ie: If
someone knows OSPF on Cisco they should be able to do
OSPF on anothers vendors box in a timely manner. 

> > forget about the thousands, including yourselves,
> who are trying to learn Internetworking technologies
> on Cisco products. You also have to consider things
> like this when you make a purchasing decision. 

Correct. But, I avoid sales/marketing like the plague
so can't say much. It's not my thing. 

> One other thing I think most people will agree on is
> that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support group
> available 24-7-365.  Sometimes technology isn't the
> deciding factor.

I agree. I work in a multi-vendor TAC-like environment
and have seen some other vendor tech-support groups.
It also depends on who you get working with you. I get
good+bad support from the vendors I need to work with
depending on what it is. 


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Re: Router(boot)>

[thangs]

Hi,

That's not right ,Gill, A reg value of 0x2148 will not take the router in
this "Router(boot)>" mode ,I aggree with you other justification.

The reg value what i know will take you in this mode is 0x2101 (System Flash
Read Write Mode)


Thanks / Thangavel

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> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >   It means one of two, either your router didn't find the IOS or it
booted
> > into the wrong registry state.
> > My guess is that if you will check where your router booted into you
will
> > see that you are in registry 0x2148 and not in the normal one 0x2102.
> > After changing it I suggest that you will try to finding out who toughed
> > the
> > router because this registry state is usually used for breaking into the
> > router.
> >
> >   I hope it helps
> >
> >Gil
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My router 2513 shows "Router(boot)>". Can anyone help me in this regard.
> >
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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[John Nemeth]

On Mar 29, 10:18am, Brian wrote:
} 
} We had a need to upgrade our workcloset switches.
} 
} We needed 72 10/100 ports, gigabit capibility, dual power.
} 
} Cat 5000, 3 24 port 10/100 blades, gigabit, Supervisor, and dual power,
} came to like $65000 or some crazy number like that.  total switch fabric?
} 3Gbps
} 
} Foundry FastIron II was about $15k list, $12k street price. Total switch
} fabric 16Gbps, with a packet forwarding speed that stomped on the cisco.
} The switch's OS is almost identical to IOS as well.

 This just illustrates why one should work through a knowledgable
reseller, instead of trying to put something together on their own.  I
did some number crunching (prices in CDN$, prices may vary, etc.
etc.):

Cat 5505, 3 x 24FE, SupIIG, extra AC  -- $40,204,80
bundled 5505 + SupIIG, bundled 3 x 24FE, extra AC -- $36,937.20

Of course, instead of using legacy equipment, I would recommend going with
the Cat 4000:

bundled 4003 + 48FE + 32FE/2G, extra AC -- $22,250.40

This gives a total of 80 10/100 ports and only costs 2/3rds as much.
It also has a 24G backplane.  One thing, I've noticed is that Cisco
switches tend to have lots of bandwidth.

Converting your Foundry FastIron II to CDN$ gives $18,000.  Although,
to be fair, I would have to find a CDN supplier and apply the same
markup.

P.S.  Doesn't anybody believe in snipping irrelevent content
anymore???

}-- End of excerpt from Brian

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Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco (damn!!!)

[NeoLink2000]

Cisco Rules the market!!! Simple as that!!! Get off it!!! How bout a 
technical conversation, damn!?!?! --- (drunk)  ;)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/2-NP
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my CCIE lab. I would just have to work a little harder I guess. After all, 
without any goals in life, I'm dead already."
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Re: TFTP server timed out

[suaveguru]

from my experience, cisco tftp server does not seem to
work well in NT SERVER , try installing it on NT
workstation it will work fine
--- Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi
> 
> I down loaded tftp server software from cisco web
> site and configured one my
> win-nt server as tftp server.
> 
> it worked fine for only one day. next day onwards,
> when ever i tried copy my
> flash or startup to tftp server, i am getting timed
> out error message.
> both i.e. my router and tftp server are in the same
> network and able ping each
> other.
> 
> what could be the problem??
> 
> tanx in advance.
> 
> bye
> ravee
> 
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Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Dost]

I am in canada and  we compared for both products including same $ of
100/Gig.  ports, service contract for
2 years and future backplane upgrade and addition of
more modules. It turned out only CDN $ 1 diffrence
between Cisco and Extreme for 2 6509s or 2 Extremers because we get better
deal as we were quated goverment pricing. Cisco also has buy back policy so
they will credit us bit for Cat5000.

The reseller we deal with never sold extreme product but
now they do as they always have spare box to lend custoemer for demo.

Inamul



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> On Mar 29, 10:18am, Brian wrote:
> }
> } We had a need to upgrade our workcloset switches.
> }
> } We needed 72 10/100 ports, gigabit capibility, dual power.
> }
> } Cat 5000, 3 24 port 10/100 blades, gigabit, Supervisor, and dual power,
> } came to like $65000 or some crazy number like that.  total switch
fabric?
> } 3Gbps
> }
> } Foundry FastIron II was about $15k list, $12k street price. Total switch
> } fabric 16Gbps, with a packet forwarding speed that stomped on the cisco.
> } The switch's OS is almost identical to IOS as well.
>
>  This just illustrates why one should work through a knowledgable
> reseller, instead of trying to put something together on their own.  I
> did some number crunching (prices in CDN$, prices may vary, etc.
> etc.):
>
> Cat 5505, 3 x 24FE, SupIIG, extra AC  -- $40,204,80
> bundled 5505 + SupIIG, bundled 3 x 24FE, extra AC -- $36,937.20
>
> Of course, instead of using legacy equipment, I would recommend going with
> the Cat 4000:
>
> bundled 4003 + 48FE + 32FE/2G, extra AC -- $22,250.40
>
> This gives a total of 80 10/100 ports and only costs 2/3rds as much.
> It also has a 24G backplane.  One thing, I've noticed is that Cisco
> switches tend to have lots of bandwidth.
>
> Converting your Foundry FastIron II to CDN$ gives $18,000.  Although,
> to be fair, I would have to find a CDN supplier and apply the same
> markup.
>
> P.S.  Doesn't anybody believe in snipping irrelevent content
> anymore???
>
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Sanity Check: Setting up 2-Cat6509s (each with 2 MSFCs) with FlexWan modules: BGP, 2 ISPs

[Jennifer Mellone]

Can you tell me if this (see diagram below) can be implemented, and will it
work right for BGP load balancing, redundancy, etc.?

It's 2xCatalyst6509s, each with 2 MSFCs (supervisor with router built in),
and each with 1 flexwan module (like a 7500 port adapter, with a serial
interface for T1).  Each 6509 connects to a pix.  The pixes are configured
for failover.  Since the pix can only have one default route, I figure I
need HSRP.  Configure static route on MSFC with pix as next hop.  But the
traffic will only go through the top catalyst as a result (bottom catalyst
is the backup).  Note that there is 1 unique IP address per interface per
MSFC card (see diagram).  Someone said I needed that.  I thought the 2 MSFCs
in 1 box could have the same IP on the interface; that same person said no.
Vlan 100 is the external vlan.  Vlan 50 connects the 2 "routers" together,
for the IBGP.  I'm a bit squirrely on this vlan 50 thing with the IBGP.  Is
that ok?  Do I need the vlan 50, or should I remove it and have the IBGP go
through Vlan 100?  That same person said I can get rid of vlan 50.  I figure
even if the traffic all goes to the top catalyst6509, I can still get the
BGP to load balance.  What do you think about all of this?

- Jennifer Mellone

   vlan100 T1
pix 1 (10.1)--(10.2,10.4)catalyst6509w/2-msfcs(30.1)--ISPA
| | (20.2,20.4)
| |  |
|failover |hsrp 10.6 |hsrp 20.1
| |vlan100   |vlan50-IBGP
| |  |
| | (20.3,20.5)T1
pix 2 (10.1)--(10.3,10.5)catalyst6509w/2-msfcs(40.1)--ISPB
   vlan100

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GNS replies from furthest server

[Shaun Wakelen]

Can anybody shed some light on this problem. We have installed a gigabit
network using 3548's and 4908's. Two 3548's have Novell servers (NetWare 4)
connected to them, and also have links to WAN routers. These are connected
to two 4908's running IRB and HSRP. To the 4908's are four further 3548's to
which the Novell clients are attached. The problem is, when a client starts
up, the GNS request is being replied to by a server on the other side of the
WAN link, and not a local one. If the remote server is disconnected then a
different remote server replies. The IPX routing table shows the local
servers with the lowest hop count and metric. This was originally an ATM
network, which works perfectly. 

I now have several bumps where I have been hitting my head against a brick
wall!

Any ideas

Thanking you in advance
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RouterSim 2.0 ??

[Romeo]

Please, from where can I download the RouterSim 2.0 ?

TIA,
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OT - Cisco CET multi-point

[Gareth Hinton]

Hi all,

Delving into encryption, I have a small problem. Looking for inspiration.
Set-up is one central router to 2 remote routers using CET encryption 56 bit
( I know CET is just about dead but I don't have a choice on this one)
I have generated one key on central router and exchanged with both remote
routers. Individually this works to both routers, but they cannot work at
the same time. Documentation seems to suggest that one key cannot be used to
two different peers, although they seem to be doing exactly that in Frame
Relay configs..
Created one crypto map which contained the two set peer statements and
corresponding match address statements.
This works to one router, but will not bring up the second until the session
to the first router times out.
Creating a second separate key on the central router doesn't seem to be
possible without it deleting the first one. And if the first key is
exchanged before creating second one, router expects the first one to be
exchanged again.
IOS is Ver 11.2.

Not going into too much detail as I think it's probably a fairly fundamental
answer, but if more info required I'll elaborate.

Regards,

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Re: Trunk Load Balancing

[Scott McClure, CCNP, CCDA, MCNE]

Michael is correct.  About the only thing you can do is set the STP
priorities on the ports differently for different VLANs, so that VLAN 10
traffic prefers Bplink A and VLAN 20 prefers uplink B.  This would be a sort
of manual load balancing.

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do that.
> Spantree will only allow one path forwarding packets.
>
> Michael Yu
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>
> Alldread AK2 Robert J wrote:
>
> > I would like some opinions on load balancing across (2) 6509 switches
using
> > trunk ports.
> >
> > Here is the scenario...
> >
> > 1 switch at the access layer, 2 switches and the distribution layer. The
> > access layer switch has a GIG trunk link to each of the 2 dist layer
> > switches. How would I implement equal-cost load balancing in a round
robin
> > fashion from the access layer switch to each of the 2 dist layer
switches.
> >
> > I would like to do this on a packet by packet level. CCO has some good
tips,
> > but only for load balancing from 1 switch to 1 switch, not 1 switch to 2
> > switches.
> >
> > Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: RouterSim 2.0 ??

[Michael]

BUY it from www.routersim.com,don't be a THIEF!



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Channelized PRI

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

Hi, I just have a pretty simple question in which I'm really confused
about...

When do I use CAS-group as opposed to PRI-group

I thought I only use CAS-group is I'm configuring Channelized T1 timeslots
and PRI-group for PRI lines but I see some sample configs at Cisco that uses
CAS-group for PRI lines, too. If I use CAS-group for a PRI, wouldn't I be
"robbing bits" off each timeslots, too?

Also, I can use CAS-group and PRI-group for incoming modem calls, too, by
indicating it in service type for CAS-group and configuring the D-channel
for incoming modem for the PRI (?)

Thanks for the help!

Kenneth


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Re: BCMSN 2.0 Books

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

BCMSN by Karen Webb... pretty good book.

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ISDN Backup Configs

[Hayes, Christopher]

Looking for alternate examples of ISDN backup for a serial line. Have tried
six or so cisco config examples with varying degrees of success. Floating
statics have given the best results so far. Anyone have good experiences
with route watch or other styles
of configs?

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Re: TFTP server timed out

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

try using the solarwinds (www.solarwinds.com) tftp server, I find it more
feature rich than the Cisco tftp server.

Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> I down loaded tftp server software from cisco web site and configured one
my
> win-nt server as tftp server.
>
> it worked fine for only one day. next day onwards, when ever i tried copy
my
> flash or startup to tftp server, i am getting timed out error message.
> both i.e. my router and tftp server are in the same network and able ping
each
> other.
>
> what could be the problem??
>
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Re: GNS replies from furthest server

[Scott McClure, CCNP, CCDA, MCNE]

Shaun,

Can you provide us an example of the 4908 configs?  The problem may be in
the IRB configuration, or in SAP spoofing (sometimes the router will respond
to GNS faster than the local servers).

Scott
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> Can anybody shed some light on this problem. We have installed a gigabit
> network using 3548's and 4908's. Two 3548's have Novell servers (NetWare
4)
> connected to them, and also have links to WAN routers. These are connected
> to two 4908's running IRB and HSRP. To the 4908's are four further 3548's
to
> which the Novell clients are attached. The problem is, when a client
starts
> up, the GNS request is being replied to by a server on the other side of
the
> WAN link, and not a local one. If the remote server is disconnected then a
> different remote server replies. The IPX routing table shows the local
> servers with the lowest hop count and metric. This was originally an ATM
> network, which works perfectly.
>
> I now have several bumps where I have been hitting my head against a brick
> wall!
>
> Any ideas
>
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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Aliko Lebby]

Please help me on this eigrp problem!
I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN (i.e the one that i want 
to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are not advertised 
,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same Hello-interval and hold 
Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is what i get on the problem 
routers:

P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
 via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472), Serial0/0
P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
 via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
 via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
 via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792), Serial0/0
P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
 via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792), Serial0/0
P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
 via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
 via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200

The routes that are not advertised are the one with FD is Inaccessible
 can you please  tell me what is wrong ??



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Basic Voice configuration question

[John lay]

Hi,

I will start next week my frist experince in voice configuration.
The two remote sites are connected two each using frame relay.
My question is: The right way to configure voice here, is to use VoFR and
not VoIp, isn't?
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RE: 4000 Series Router Comment Request

[Louie Belt]

I use both a 4000M+ and a 4700 in my lab and love them.  They are fast,
modular, and cost effective for a lab.  Additionally they support ATM and
Fast Ethernet modules.

LAB



When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If
I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but
both of us will profit.

- John Galt


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Mike Bromley
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM
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Subject: 4000 Series Router Comment Request


Hi Folks,

Does anyone use the 4000 series routers in their lab? They are pretty cheap
right now and I was thinking of getting one. Any comments would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike


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Cisco1601R and IPX problem

[Olden Pieterse]

Hi there gang 

I've got a customer's 1601r and for the life of it  it does not like to boot
the ios image from flash (c1600-ny-mz) coldly
If I make it boot from tftp then its fine  (cold and warm boot )
If I cold boot it from flash it goes into boot mode i.e boot from the
bootstrap
If I warm boot (reload) it from flash it works fine .
If anyone has similar problems plse let me know and if so , what image is
the most suitable 
Its got enough flash & ram in it .

Thanks in advance 

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RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem

[Fowler, Joey]

Page 165 of the CiscoPress BCMSN makes the point it should not be done
because a user might accidentally plug a hub into two different outlets or
basically two different switch ports, which would cause what was mentioned
below. It's good practice not to I guess.

Joey

-Original Message-
From: Curtis Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem


Turning on portfast on a port with more than one host connected via a hub 
will cause no problems with loops.  The Hub is solely a layer one 
connecting device so it is impossible for it to cause STP problems.  If you 
had a switch or a bridge connected to that port then you would have a 
problem, but a hub would be fine.

At 03:12 PM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote:
>This bears clarification...
>
>The port immediately goes into a forwarding state, bypassing the listening
>and learning states.  However, it will learn the stations MAC address
>immediately
>on the first packet that the station sends.  You say "at a later time" and
I
>think
>that is a little misleading.  Also, it should be noted that this should
only
>be used when the switch port is connected to ONE host.  If portfast is
>enabled on
>a port connecting to more than one host (i.e.- a hub with multiple servers)
>then switch
>loops will likely be the result.
>
>Roman
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Roan, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:41 PM
>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>Subject: RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem
>
>
>You may need to enable portfast access.  This will allow the computer to
>transmit data immediately and the switch will learn the MAC address at a
>later time.  It will however broadcast data coming to your port on all
ports
>it does not know the MAC address for until it learns your computer's MAC
>address.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: atif [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:14 AM
>To: cisco group study
>Subject: cisco 3524 XL EN problem
>Importance: High
>
>
>i have installed a cisco 3524 xl en switch, i am facing a weird kind of =
>problem i hope u guys will help me solve this problem.
>the problem is that when a pc is connecte to switch for the 1st time  it =
>takes about 4 to 5 minutes for the switch to communicate with the =
>machine.The led on both sides shows green light even when its not =
>communicationg and the ping request is timed out.
>then after that it takes about 1 minute for  computer to see the switch =
>if we take the connecter out of the switch and inserts again.
>now todays it happened that after the weekend when computers were =
>started some were communicating and many were not and all leds were =
>showing green lights and after one hour or so every thing was =
>normalized.
>i havent seen this sort of problem before, this switch at the moment is =
>running at default configuration and connected to a router to a vsat =
>link.
>i havent assigned ip add info so far , can this be a problem( i dont =
>think so).=20
>can any body figure it out what is the problem,
>is something wrong with cabling,switch or NIC.
>
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Routing Scenario...

[Fowler, Joey]

Let's say we have the following:

Internet---A---|
   |<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the Internet
Internet--D|

And a person wanted to change it to the following:

Internet---A---B
|
Internet---D---C

The links between each router above is a T1. 
A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.

Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can run
BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to keep
that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for that
subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
between the two of them?

Thanks,
Joey Fowler

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seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its
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Re: [Why the Year 2001 Won't Be Like '2001: A Space Odyssey']

[Petra Hofmann]

Nice article.  I would like to suggest that the real power of computing will
occur with analog computers which make the human interface distinctly
possible.  


Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See my Web page for a new article called "Why the Year 2001 Won't Be Like 
> '2001: A Space Odyssey'"
> 
> http://www.priscilla.com/language.htm
> 
> The essay describes the current state of research into computers and human 
> language, and explains why we don't have a talking HAL yet. Topics include 
> digitizing speech, compressing digitized speech, applications for digitized

> speech, speech synthesis, speech recognition, and natural-language
processing.
> 
> So why should Group Study care? The first few sections cover topics that 
> CVOICE and CCIE candidates need to know. The paper covers the topics at a 
> high level, so if you are already deep into your CVOICE and CCIE studying, 
> then it may not meed your needs. But it's still a good read! &;-) Find out,

> for example, why humans can understand the sentence, "Time flies like an 
> arrow," whereas computers get confused by it.
> 
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RE: DLSw help

[AMENEIRO Juan Carlos]

Hubert

  The source-bridge ring-group is not necessary in an ethernet environment.
It has no effect in your configuration. You must check locally at each
router if you can see the local PU´s mac-address or netbios-name.  If this
is working, you can try with a DEBUG DLSW CIRCUITS and DEBUG DLSW PEER to
verify why the circuit is not stablished . Otherwise, if you can not see the
mac or netbios name locally, you have a problem with your PU´s and you
cannot see any debug activity. 

Please tell me if I can help you.

Regards

Juan Carlos Ameneiro


-Original Message-
From: Hubert Pun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Martes 12 de Diciembre de 2000 00:18 AM
To: Cisco Study Group
Subject: DLSw help


Here is the config between two router with Ethernet interfaces for
DLSw.  (The other site is just a mirror image).

When I perform a "show dlsw peer", the state is CONNECT
However, "sh dlsw reachability " and "show dlsw circuits " is empty.
Also, "show dlsw capabilities " has "  reachable mac addresses : none"

All the interfaces on the network has connectivity to each other, and
there is no access list.

Thanks in advanced


===
source-bridge ring-group 1234
dlsw local-peer peer-id 137.20.103.2
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 137.20.100.1
dlsw bridge-group 1

int e0
 ip address 137.20.40.1 255.255.255.0
 bridge-group 1
 no shut
bridge 1 protocol ieee


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RE: BRI Question

[John lay]

Or you can you can use  dialer profiles.





On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:12:22 +0400 , Mohamed Heeba wrote:

>  yeah this is possible in case u use PPP as encap protocol 
>  u can config two different dialer maps on the physical interface with the
>  two remote IPs
>  and try to ping them , both connection will use only 1 channel for each 
>  about the D channel ...i guess u dont have to worry ..it will control
both
>  :))
>  
>  Mohamed 
>  
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From:  Jun Pati [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  > Sent:  Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:19 AM
>  > To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Subject:   BRI Question
>  > 
>  > Hi, I'm a newbie on this list.  Is it possible possible to connect one
B
>  > channel to a location (Dallas) and the other B channel to another
location
>  > (New York) at the same time?  How does one D channel control both
calls?
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netboot

[Pierre-Alex]

"If there are no boot commands in the configuration file, the router
attempts to boot the first file in system Flash memory. If no file is found
in system Flash memory, the router attempts to netboot a default file whose
name is derived from the value of the boot field (for example: cisco2-4000).
If the netboot attempt fails, the boot helper image in boot Flash will boot
up"


QUESTION:

Why is not netboot working the way it is suppose to?

WHAT I DID:

My virtual configuration setting register is set to 0x2102. (Which means I
am allowing netboot in case of failure)
In my startup-config I have told the router to load the IOS from the TFTP
server (located on e0)
I have removed the IOS from the TFTP server and I have erased flash. (To
force netboot)
I have put a renamed copy of my IOS at the root of the TFTP server. Since I
am using 0x2102, the name the router will search during netboot will be
cisco2-4000.bin. (Just in case I copied the IOS  as: cisco2-4000.bin and
Cisco2-4000)


WHAT I GOT:

Copyright (c) 1986-1994 by cisco Systems
4000 processor with 32768 Kbytes of main memory

Illegal IP keyword - classless
Booting c4000-js-mz.120-2a.bin . [File not found]
Network load failed

INTERPRETATION:

The netboot failed or was never attempted!??

***Can you Help: did I miss something? did the
router actually tried netboot? I have no clues...

THANKS



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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Andy Walden]

Eddie,

I appreciate your reply. Just remember that you are a representative of
Cisco and you need to put your words into that context. When you say
something in the future, especially about a competitor, be prepared to be
called out on the floor to back it up with actual facts and some sort of
source for your data. 

andy

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:

> Andy,
> 
> I am not slamming the Extreme switch.  They make a fair switch.  I am
> just stating facts.  I would buy Foundry before I buy Extreme.  Foundry
> makes a better switch than Extreme, and is also cheaper than Cisco.  I will
> go over what I wrote: facts.
> 
> 1) Enterprises do not come close to switching capacities - FACT 98% of the
> time.
> 2) The Catalyst 6500 offers more features - FACT  (I will go into more
> detail if you want)
> 3) Cisco has a road map for all future IOS features.  Cisco can tell you
> what will be in 12.1(10) if you wanted to know.  Every IOS release is
> planned feature wise.
> 
> -Eddie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:58 PM
> To: Eddie Parra
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is the second email I have seen from someone at Cisco slamming the
> competition and promoting their stuff today. If your a sales guy
> fine, find the cisco sales list and those that want to here it will
> subscribe. I'm sure someone can contact their Cisco sales rep for the
> kinda of vague information and subtle slams listed below. If you wanted to
> offer a accurate list of features between the two products, I imagine it
> would be better recieved.
> 
> 
> andy
> 
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:
> 
> > Inamul,
> >
> >  What do you need the switch to do?  I am not sure what your
> application
> > is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching
> > ability.  I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a
> TON
> > of things the extreme switch doesn't.  Ask yourself what features you need
> > now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future
> > feature.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Desai, Inamul
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> >
> > My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch.
> > We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not
> > deliver test box so we had to go their lab.
> >
> > Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster
> > than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it,
> > we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders
> > or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market
> > share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on
> > CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme.
> >
> >
> > Inamul
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM
> > To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > You bring up very good points.  I would like to add another.  I work for
> an
> > ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network.  I am familiar
> > with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an
> > easier time learning new things or figuring out others.  Also, it is nice
> to
> > be able to go to one source to get answers.  I am not necessarily the
> > biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits.
> >
> > FYI, I have used Boson Tests.  I find them to be excellent tools for
> putting
> > you into the mindset of the exam.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
> recommend
> > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
> > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
> > products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
> >
> > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
> >
> > Having said that, let me also add that as thin

Re: boson tests??

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

www.boson.com
- Original Message -
From: Kyle Sie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: boson tests??


> hi everyone
>
>  I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP.  just exactly what are the
> everso famous Boson Tests??  I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd
> Lamel...are they any good?  they did a great job in preparing me for my
CCNA
> cert.  Just what exactly are them Boson tests?  and where can I get some??
>
> much thanks
>
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Re: Cisco1601R and IPX problem

[Saša Milic]

Olden Pieterse wrote:
> 
> I've got a customer's 1601r and for the life of it  it does not like to boot
> the ios image from flash (c1600-ny-mz) coldly

Send us output from 'show version'.

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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Mark Vicuna]

are these networks being reached via some other means between eigrp 
neighbours, eg. static routes?  if so, then you must redistribute these 
static routes, otherwise eigrp will not know about these networks.

hth,
mark.

At 04:04 PM 12/12/00 +0300, Aliko Lebby wrote:
>Please help me on this eigrp problem!
>I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN (i.e the one that i want
>to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are not advertised
>,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same Hello-interval and hold
>Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
>When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is what i get on the problem
>routers:
>
>P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
>P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
>P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
>
>The routes that are not advertised are the one with FD is Inaccessible
>  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
>
>
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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Phil Barker]

Have you proved that the WAN Link is good. i.e BERT
tested it end to end ?

Phil.
--- Aliko Lebby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Please help me on this eigrp problem!
> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN
> (i.e the one that i want 
> to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are
> not advertised 
> ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same
> Hello-interval and hold 
> Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is
> what i get on the problem 
> routers:
> 
> P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> Serial0/0
> P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> 
> The routes that are not advertised are the one with
> FD is Inaccessible
>  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Group Study: Kansas

[John Huston]

I live in Wichita Kansas and getting ready to start my CCIE studies.  I have
5 routers and a CAT 5000 switch. I am a CCNP and a CCDA (hopefully a CCDP
after today.)  Please advise.

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but
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RE: Basic Voice configuration question

[Arthayuth . B]

you can use VoFR or VoIP over FR . it's base on which model of router and
which version of IOS I recommend if you use VoIP over FR use IOS version
12.o4T above. 

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> My question is: The right way to configure voice here, is to use VoFR and
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Re: CCNP 2.0 passing scores

[John Huston]

Go to www.cramsession.com.  They have a pretty good section for the details
of the exams.  I would not recommend relying on their study guides as my
sole source of information however.


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> can u pls let me know numbers of questions and passing score for all CCNP
2.0
> exams?
>
>
> tanx
> ravee
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RE: Cisco1601R and IPX problem

[Olden Pieterse]

The register is 0x2102 if that's what ur looking for .
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Olden Pieterse wrote:
> 
> I've got a customer's 1601r and for the life of it  it does not
like to boot
> the ios image from flash (c1600-ny-mz) coldly

Send us output from 'show version'.

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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Brian]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, John Nemeth wrote:

> On Mar 29, 10:18am, Brian wrote:
>
>  This just illustrates why one should work through a knowledgable
> reseller, instead of trying to put something together on their own.  I
> did some number crunching (prices in CDN$, prices may vary, etc.
> etc.):
>
> Cat 5505, 3 x 24FE, SupIIG, extra AC  -- $40,204,80
> bundled 5505 + SupIIG, bundled 3 x 24FE, extra AC -- $36,937.20

John, we get the lowest Cisco discounts, and we only work thru Gold
partners.  This was almost 2 years ago that I am talking about (when the
Foundry switches first came out)$65000 was valid then, and the
Foundry was $15k then.

>
> Of course, instead of using legacy equipment, I would recommend going with
> the Cat 4000:
>
> bundled 4003 + 48FE + 32FE/2G, extra AC -- $22,250.40
>

---
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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Brian]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:

> Redback is another impressive company...  I have been researching them a lot
> lately.  They are forming well...
>

Redback is a good example where Cisco wasn't quick enough to get a product
out.  The Redback SMS works very well as a DSL concentrator.  The "cisco"
solution was IOS running on their routers.  This did not and does not work
very well.  Cisco now has DSL concentrators of their own, but the price
point is pretty high and acceptance isn't there yet.

Brian


> -Eddie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bharat Suneja
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's
> mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of -
> Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al and I'd pretty much love to get my
> hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback.
>
> Bharat Suneja
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eddie Parra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> > I will like to add something to this also.  I was the director of
> technology
> > for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco.  I couldn't find ANYONE
> to
> > hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry.  This isn't a
> > slam, this is a fact.  There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to
> > forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn
> > Internetworking technologies on Cisco products.  You also have to consider
> > things like this when you make a purchasing decision.  One other thing I
> > think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support
> > group available 24-7-365.  Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Bharat Suneja
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
> recommend
> > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained,
> > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management
> > products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
> >
> > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
> >
> > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
> Cisco
> > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> > those markets.
> >
> > And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> > still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE
> > will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs
> &
> > CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
> >
> > (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
> not
> > used Boson tests... :-)
> >
> > Bharat Suneja
> >
> >
> > "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL...
> > > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how
> long
> > > time this value is going to retain its bright ??
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM
> > > > To: Mohamed Heeba
> > > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is
> > > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and
> > > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At
> > some
> > > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is
> the
> > > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down
> with
> > a
> > > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other
> > > > manufacturers don't have that problem.
> > > >
> > > > andy
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11

Re: Routing Scenario...

[Andy Walden]

Are the connections to two different providers? Assuming they are and you
are recieving two different sets of routes, you could run an IBGP session
between the two routers so they could share routes for outgoing
traffic. As far as incoming, you will need to study the traffic patterns
to the two different providers then tweak it with aspath prepends and
route filtering.

andy



On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

> 
> Let's say we have the following:
> 
> Internet---A---|
>|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the Internet
> Internet--D|
> 
> And a person wanted to change it to the following:
> 
> Internet---A---B
> |
> Internet---D---C
> 
> The links between each router above is a T1. 
> A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.
> 
> Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can run
> BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to keep
> that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for that
> subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
> about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> between the two of them?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joey Fowler
> 
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> seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its
> own talents.
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RE: CCNP 2.0 passing scores

[Ole Drews Jensen]

Look here http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp

hth,

Ole


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dear friends

can u pls let me know numbers of questions and passing score for all CCNP
2.0
exams?


tanx
ravee



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RE: Cisco1601R and IPX problem

[Olden Pieterse]

Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software 
IOS (tm) 1600 Software (C1600-RBOOT-R), Version 12.0(3)T,  RELEASE SOFTWARE
(fc1) 
Copyright (c) 1986-1999 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 22-Feb-99 23:05 by ccai
Image text-base: 0x04020060, data-base: 0x02005000
Here is the show ver  of the failed session


ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.0(3)T, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

Router uptime is 0 minutes
System restarted by power-on
System image file is "bootflash:"

cisco 1601 (68360) processor (revision C) with 7680K/512K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID 17549539, with hardware revision 0002
1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
Unrecognized interface found (0-1 = Motherboard interfaces 2 = WIC)
  Interface 1 unrecognized by boothelper
System/IO memory with parity disabled
8192K bytes of DRAM onboard
System running from ROM
8K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
4096K bytes of processor board PCMCIA flash (Read/Write)

Configuration register is 0x2102

As you can see it tries to boot off bootflash .
The config states that it must boot off the flash  as youwill see below

-- show running-config --


Building configuration...

Current configuration:
!
version 12.0
no service pad
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname Router
!
boot system flash c1600-ny-mz.120-13.bin
!
ip subnet-zero
!
!
interface Ethernet0
 ip address 192.168.10.194 255.255.255.0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip route-cache
!
no ip http server
!
line con 0
 transport input none
line vty 0 4
 login
!
end

Thanks a stack !

Cheers

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Olden Pieterse wrote:
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> I've got a customer's 1601r and for the life of it  it does not
like to boot
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need help from a dlsw guru

[Don . Dettmore]

Good morning.

I need help from a dlsw guru.  I have entered a client site with an odd
dlsw configuration.  I can't determine if the config doesn't make sense, or
if I don't know what I am talking about.  It DOES work, but I don't think
it is optimal, and I'd like to clean it up if possible.

The network looks like this:

SNAMainframe---ethernet---Router1---IP---Router2---ethernet---SNAClient

Router 1 actually has several remote peer definitions to different sites.
Here is the config for Router1:

source-bridge ring-group 17
source-bridge transparent 17 19 1 1
dlsw local-peer peer-id 1.1.1.1 group 17 lf 1500
dlsw ring-list 17 rings 17
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 2.2.2.2
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 3.3.3.3
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 4.4.4.4
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 5.5.5.5
dlsw bridge-group 1
Int e0
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
 bridge-group 1

Each remote router (Router 2) has the following config:

source-bridge ring-group 27
dlsw local-peer peer-id 2.2.2.2 group 17
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 1.1.1.1 lf 1500
dlsw bridge-group 1
Int e0
 ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0
 bridge-group 1


There are no border peers that I can find.  There is no token ring in the
network (They say that token ring was long gone before dlsw was ever used).

I can't find the need for the source-bridge commands or the ring lists.
They don't look like they are doing anything.  Am I wrong?  Couldn't I
remove those with no adverse affects to the config?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: MY CCNA TEST!!

[WKelly]

Jennifer

Did you find that as the test date got closer, you felt that you knew less and less? Or
open a study book you had read a hundred times and get the feeling it was all new ?

Overstudying can be more of a hindrance than a help. The first test is always the worst
one; you won't be any more nervous before the next test, but keep calm during the
buildup to it and the test itself.

Congrats

W Kelly


Jennifer Cribbs wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I just wanted to say I passed!!! I scored an 892 and actually got 100% in wan
> protocols and network design. The cisco threaded case study helped on that, at
> least I think it did. I had a couple of fill in the blank and the rest was
> entirely conceptual in every sense of the word. The people who fail this test
> have done too much memorizing and not enough understanding, because this test
> is worded in such as way as to confuse the test-taker I think, and on purpose,
> trying to throw you for a loop. It's a wonder I passed. I studied so long
> yesterday, I felt brain-dead, but very on edge, so I did not sleep one single
> bit last night. I am very exhaused, but still excited. The place where I took
> the test is about an hour and a half from my house and we got lost going and
> went the wrong way. Luckily, we left about 3.5 hrs early, so I still got there
> two hrs early. The woman said I could study some more if I wanted and I said
> "NO! I want to get it done". So, I took it early. And had about 25-30
> minutes left. I wanted a 900, so I should have taken more time I think. I even
> took an extra $100.00 just in case I failed so I could re-take it. It was
> wonderful to see that screen come up afterwards saying congratulations. Thank
> goodness it's over.
>
> Well, it is snowing here now. I am glad to be back home where no stress
> exists.
>
> Thank you everybody for offering me emotional support!
> "Especially D.W.and C.L." The advice you both gave me is what helped the most.
> I remained calm and studied and passed thanks to you two guys.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jennifer Cribbs
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>
> 
> Have a Good Day!!
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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

Usual disclaimers apply.

First, there's no question that Cisco certifications will continue to 
have value.

Second, the networking market is not homogeneous.  There are factors 
where characteristics of the IOS that are quite desirable for 
enterprises are specifically undesirable for carrier markets.  The 
enterprise market tends to want rich feature sets, and the carrier 
market wants control and availability. IOS contains a good deal of 
functionality and complexity for dealing with legacy protocols.

Several consequences here. Even though Cisco has a substantial number 
of release trains, Cisco still does not allow users to create images 
that contain only the features they need.  This isn't evil; there's 
reasoning behind it. One reason is that Cisco could not possibly do 
pre-release testing and post-release support on every linkable 
combination of features. Another is that while user-specific linking 
(ala IBM MVS) reduces resources and complexity in the running code, 
it has significantly more setup requirements.

Another consequence is using feature-rich code in a "carrier-grade" 
environment.  The more complexity, the more things to go wrong.

Small and medium business users typically need different kinds of 
operator interfaces than do carriers and very large enterprises.

So one of the reasons that a Juniper is grabbing carrier market share 
is that it consciously both made its software more and less complex. 
Its command interface is more like C or at least UNIX configuration 
language, optimized for programmers rather than Windows-oriented GUI 
fans. Such a language lends itself to scripting and customized 
configuration generation.

Its real-time software, however, does not support non-IP and indeed 
legacy IP features.  As a consequence, it's more testable.

In my day job doing product design, I find myself constantly 
interpreting between the carrier and enterprise viewpoints.

What does this mean for the value for other vendor certifications? 
Something aimed at a niche market may very well not have an 
equivalent to the CCNA.  Not too long ago, I was part of a team 
developing certification for a cancelled carrier router project. 
While we identified a three-level certification hierarchy much like 
Cisco's, the minimum skill set to be useful in a large ISP market was 
much more like a CCN/DP than a CCN/DA.

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More QoS Questions Part II

[John Neiberger]

In my last question I showed how I had configured CBWFQ for video traffic,
with a priority queue for the video and fair queueing with WRED for all
other traffic.

If my goal is to assign video or voice traffic to a priority queue, why
could I not simply do the following:

Rtr(config-if)# ip rtp priority 3230 3235 312
Rtr(config-if)# fair-queue
Rtr(config-if)# random-detect

Would this not accomplish my goal without the use of classes, ACLs, and
policy maps?  If I did it this way, could I also configure FRF.12
fragmentation and interleaving on this same interface?

I've been deeply researching this for a couple of weeks now, and it seems
like the more I understand Cisco's QoS configuration options, the more
confused I get.  Just when I think I have a plan of attack, i rethink my
choices and start second guessing myself.

Our network consists of about 90 branch routers that will all have voice
traffic, and four branches that will have video conferencing traffic as
well.  Each branch router has a frame relay connection with a minimum of
three PVCs with at least one PVC at each branch carrying voice/video traffic
along with other data.  Given this scenario, any hints/tips/suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.  I currently have  CBWFQ w/ LLQ running at one
branch and it seems to work just great, but I'm still not sure that I'm
making the best configuration choices.

Thanks again, as always...

John





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Re: GNS replies from furthest server

[Frank Wells]

Make sure you have Portfast enabled on the local server switch ports.


>From: Shaun Wakelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Shaun Wakelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: GNS replies from furthest server
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:29:02 -
>
>Can anybody shed some light on this problem. We have installed a gigabit
>network using 3548's and 4908's. Two 3548's have Novell servers (NetWare 4)
>connected to them, and also have links to WAN routers. These are connected
>to two 4908's running IRB and HSRP. To the 4908's are four further 3548's 
>to
>which the Novell clients are attached. The problem is, when a client starts
>up, the GNS request is being replied to by a server on the other side of 
>the
>WAN link, and not a local one. If the remote server is disconnected then a
>different remote server replies. The IPX routing table shows the local
>servers with the lowest hop count and metric. This was originally an ATM
>network, which works perfectly.
>
>I now have several bumps where I have been hitting my head against a brick
>wall!
>
>Any ideas
>
>Thanking you in advance
>Shaun Wakelen
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RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem

[MCDONALD, ROMAN (SBCSI)]

I quote directly from CCO: (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/12.html)

If you are connecting a workstation or a server with a single NIC card to a
switch port, this connection cannot create a physical loop. These
connections are considered leaf nodes. There is no reason to make the
workstation wait 30 seconds while the switch checks for loops when the
workstation cannot cause a loop. So, Cisco added a feature named "portfast"
or "fast-start," which means the STP for this port will assume that the port
is not part of a loop and will immediately move to the forwarding state,
without going through the blocking, listening, or learning states. This
command does not turn STP off. It just makes STP skip a few (unnecessary in
this circumstance) steps in the beginning on the selected port. 

Note: The portfast feature should never be used on switch ports that connect
to other switches, hubs, or routers. These connections may cause physical
loops and it is very important that spanning tree go through the full
initialization procedure in these situations. A spanning tree loop can bring
your network down. If portfast is turned on for a port that is part of a
physical loop, it can cause a window of time where packets could possibly be
continuously forwarded (and even multiply) in such a way that the network
cannot recover. 

Cheers!

Roman

-Original Message-
From: Curtis Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem


Turning on portfast on a port with more than one host connected via a hub 
will cause no problems with loops.  The Hub is solely a layer one 
connecting device so it is impossible for it to cause STP problems.  If you 
had a switch or a bridge connected to that port then you would have a 
problem, but a hub would be fine.

At 03:12 PM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote:
>This bears clarification...
>
>The port immediately goes into a forwarding state, bypassing the listening
>and learning states.  However, it will learn the stations MAC address
>immediately
>on the first packet that the station sends.  You say "at a later time" and
I
>think
>that is a little misleading.  Also, it should be noted that this should
only
>be used when the switch port is connected to ONE host.  If portfast is
>enabled on
>a port connecting to more than one host (i.e.- a hub with multiple servers)
>then switch
>loops will likely be the result.
>
>Roman
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Roan, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:41 PM
>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>Subject: RE: cisco 3524 XL EN problem
>
>
>You may need to enable portfast access.  This will allow the computer to
>transmit data immediately and the switch will learn the MAC address at a
>later time.  It will however broadcast data coming to your port on all
ports
>it does not know the MAC address for until it learns your computer's MAC
>address.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: atif [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:14 AM
>To: cisco group study
>Subject: cisco 3524 XL EN problem
>Importance: High
>
>
>i have installed a cisco 3524 xl en switch, i am facing a weird kind of =
>problem i hope u guys will help me solve this problem.
>the problem is that when a pc is connecte to switch for the 1st time  it =
>takes about 4 to 5 minutes for the switch to communicate with the =
>machine.The led on both sides shows green light even when its not =
>communicationg and the ping request is timed out.
>then after that it takes about 1 minute for  computer to see the switch =
>if we take the connecter out of the switch and inserts again.
>now todays it happened that after the weekend when computers were =
>started some were communicating and many were not and all leds were =
>showing green lights and after one hour or so every thing was =
>normalized.
>i havent seen this sort of problem before, this switch at the moment is =
>running at default configuration and connected to a router to a vsat =
>link.
>i havent assigned ip add info so far , can this be a problem( i dont =
>think so).=20
>can any body figure it out what is the problem,
>is something wrong with cabling,switch or NIC.
>
>atif
>
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RE: GNS replies from furthest server

[Greene, Patrick]

Why don't you just put a PREFERRED SERVER statement on the Netware Client?
That will take care of it.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: Shaun Wakelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GNS replies from furthest server


Can anybody shed some light on this problem. We have installed a gigabit
network using 3548's and 4908's. Two 3548's have Novell servers (NetWare 4)
connected to them, and also have links to WAN routers. These are connected
to two 4908's running IRB and HSRP. To the 4908's are four further 3548's to
which the Novell clients are attached. The problem is, when a client starts
up, the GNS request is being replied to by a server on the other side of the
WAN link, and not a local one. If the remote server is disconnected then a
different remote server replies. The IPX routing table shows the local
servers with the lowest hop count and metric. This was originally an ATM
network, which works perfectly. 

I now have several bumps where I have been hitting my head against a brick
wall!

Any ideas

Thanking you in advance
Shaun Wakelen
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RE: GNS replies from furthest server

[Shaun Wakelen]

Certainly can. Here are the 4908 configs.

Regards
Shaun Wakelen


-Original Message-
From: Scott McClure, CCNP, CCDA, MCNE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 December 2000 12:51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GNS replies from furthest server


Shaun,

Can you provide us an example of the 4908 configs?  The problem may be in
the IRB configuration, or in SAP spoofing (sometimes the router will respond
to GNS faster than the local servers).

Scott
"Shaun Wakelen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Can anybody shed some light on this problem. We have installed a gigabit
> network using 3548's and 4908's. Two 3548's have Novell servers (NetWare
4)
> connected to them, and also have links to WAN routers. These are connected
> to two 4908's running IRB and HSRP. To the 4908's are four further 3548's
to
> which the Novell clients are attached. The problem is, when a client
starts
> up, the GNS request is being replied to by a server on the other side of
the
> WAN link, and not a local one. If the remote server is disconnected then a
> different remote server replies. The IPX routing table shows the local
> servers with the lowest hop count and metric. This was originally an ATM
> network, which works perfectly.
>
> I now have several bumps where I have been hitting my head against a brick
> wall!
>
> Any ideas
>
> Thanking you in advance
> Shaun Wakelen
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CID beta after 7 dec?

[Andrei Hladki]

Hi All,

Did somebody take CID beta after 7 dec 2000? Cisco web site says it's last
day to test but I was registered for 15 dec 2000. Its annoy me vey well.

best regards

Andrei


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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Eddie Parra]

I agree with your statement concerning RedBack.  According to the Dell
O'Group (How ever you spell it), we supposedly have market share?  I was
surprised to read this.  This is the same company that says Juniper is
stealing market share from us.  If you look at Cisco's track record, new
products don't shine as well as they do 1-2 years later.  The Catalyst
switch is a good example.  Think of the first Catalyst switch and look how
it has evolved.  When I look at the road maps to certain products I do get
blown away from some of the things we have planned.  I think it takes some
time to add the Cisco "touch" to the products we acquire.  What do you think
of the physical layout of our boxes?  This is something that I always hear
negative things about from CO guys...

-Eddie

-Original Message-
From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:48 AM
To: Eddie Parra
Cc: Bharat Suneja; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco


On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:

> Redback is another impressive company...  I have been researching them a
lot
> lately.  They are forming well...
>

Redback is a good example where Cisco wasn't quick enough to get a product
out.  The Redback SMS works very well as a DSL concentrator.  The "cisco"
solution was IOS running on their routers.  This did not and does not work
very well.  Cisco now has DSL concentrators of their own, but the price
point is pretty high and acceptance isn't there yet.

Brian


> -Eddie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Bharat Suneja
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's
> mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of -
> Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al and I'd pretty much love to get my
> hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback.
>
> Bharat Suneja
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eddie Parra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
> > I will like to add something to this also.  I was the director of
> technology
> > for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco.  I couldn't find ANYONE
> to
> > hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry.  This isn't
a
> > slam, this is a fact.  There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not
to
> > forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to
learn
> > Internetworking technologies on Cisco products.  You also have to
consider
> > things like this when you make a purchasing decision.  One other thing I
> > think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best
support
> > group available 24-7-365.  Sometimes technology isn't the deciding
factor.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Bharat Suneja
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot
of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to
> recommend
> > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of
Cisco-trained,
> > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals.
> > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its
> > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network
Management
> > products that we're yet to see from other vendors.
> >
> > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the
> > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry.
> >
> > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is
> Cisco
> > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its
> > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their
> > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in
> > those markets.
> >
> > And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is
> > still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the
CCIE
> > will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of
CCNAs
> &
> > CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons.
> >
> > (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have
> not
> > used Boson tests... :-)
> >
> > Bharat Suneja
> >
> >
> > "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news

RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Eddie Parra]

The buy back policy is very cool!  I did a huge migration from 2500's to
2600's and Cisco let us keep a bunch of the 2500's for our CCIE study lab.
(This is before I worked for Cisco).  We had to sign a certificate of
destruction and promise never to use these 2500's in a production
environment.  They take the serial numbers down to ensure this.  This way
SmartNet can never be purchased for them.

-Eddie

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Dost
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:13 AM
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Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco


I am in canada and  we compared for both products including same $ of
100/Gig.  ports, service contract for
2 years and future backplane upgrade and addition of
more modules. It turned out only CDN $ 1 diffrence
between Cisco and Extreme for 2 6509s or 2 Extremers because we get better
deal as we were quated goverment pricing. Cisco also has buy back policy so
they will credit us bit for Cat5000.

The reseller we deal with never sold extreme product but
now they do as they always have spare box to lend custoemer for demo.

Inamul



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> On Mar 29, 10:18am, Brian wrote:
> }
> } We had a need to upgrade our workcloset switches.
> }
> } We needed 72 10/100 ports, gigabit capibility, dual power.
> }
> } Cat 5000, 3 24 port 10/100 blades, gigabit, Supervisor, and dual power,
> } came to like $65000 or some crazy number like that.  total switch
fabric?
> } 3Gbps
> }
> } Foundry FastIron II was about $15k list, $12k street price. Total switch
> } fabric 16Gbps, with a packet forwarding speed that stomped on the cisco.
> } The switch's OS is almost identical to IOS as well.
>
>  This just illustrates why one should work through a knowledgable
> reseller, instead of trying to put something together on their own.  I
> did some number crunching (prices in CDN$, prices may vary, etc.
> etc.):
>
> Cat 5505, 3 x 24FE, SupIIG, extra AC  -- $40,204,80
> bundled 5505 + SupIIG, bundled 3 x 24FE, extra AC -- $36,937.20
>
> Of course, instead of using legacy equipment, I would recommend going with
> the Cat 4000:
>
> bundled 4003 + 48FE + 32FE/2G, extra AC -- $22,250.40
>
> This gives a total of 80 10/100 ports and only costs 2/3rds as much.
> It also has a 24G backplane.  One thing, I've noticed is that Cisco
> switches tend to have lots of bandwidth.
>
> Converting your Foundry FastIron II to CDN$ gives $18,000.  Although,
> to be fair, I would have to find a CDN supplier and apply the same
> markup.
>
> P.S.  Doesn't anybody believe in snipping irrelevent content
> anymore???
>
> }-- End of excerpt from Brian
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Re: 4000 Series Router Comment Request

[Mike Bromley]

Thanks Louie!

I appreciate the comments. How much memory do you have in your 4000M+? I can
get one for $975. Is this too much? I see them on EBay for around $1200. The
modules don't seem too bad price wise for what you get. I was hoping to get
started with one of these as an ABR in an OSPF setup (Just got the Doyle
TCP/IP book).

Best Regards,
Mike

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RE: Routing Scenario...

[Fowler, Joey]

Let's say Router A and D both have a subnet that in scenario 1 was shared.
After changing it, to the second scenario, would the subnet need to be
divided into two? i.e. originally 12.12.12.0/24 before and 12.12.12.0/25 &
12.12.12.128/25 afterward?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:41 AM
To: Fowler, Joey
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Routing Scenario...



Are the connections to two different providers? Assuming they are and you
are recieving two different sets of routes, you could run an IBGP session
between the two routers so they could share routes for outgoing
traffic. As far as incoming, you will need to study the traffic patterns
to the two different providers then tweak it with aspath prepends and
route filtering.

andy



On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

> 
> Let's say we have the following:
> 
> Internet---A---|
>|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the Internet
> Internet--D|
> 
> And a person wanted to change it to the following:
> 
> Internet---A---B
> |
> Internet---D---C
> 
> The links between each router above is a T1. 
> A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.
> 
> Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can run
> BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to
keep
> that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for that
> subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
> about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> between the two of them?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joey Fowler
> 
> We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. But it sometimes
> seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its
> own talents.
> - Eric Hoffer (1902-1983 American Author & Philosopher)
> 
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RE: Routing Scenario...

[Fowler, Joey]

What if the link between each router wasn't Ethernet but was a T1.

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To: Fowler, Joey
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Routing Scenario...




I can't think of any reason to put the ethernet interfaces in different
subnets.

andy

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

> Let's say Router A and D both have a subnet that in scenario 1 was shared.
> After changing it, to the second scenario, would the subnet need to be
> divided into two? i.e. originally 12.12.12.0/24 before and 12.12.12.0/25 &
> 12.12.12.128/25 afterward?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:41 AM
> To: Fowler, Joey
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Routing Scenario...
> 
> 
> 
> Are the connections to two different providers? Assuming they are and you
> are recieving two different sets of routes, you could run an IBGP session
> between the two routers so they could share routes for outgoing
> traffic. As far as incoming, you will need to study the traffic patterns
> to the two different providers then tweak it with aspath prepends and
> route filtering.
> 
> andy
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Let's say we have the following:
> > 
> > Internet---A---|
> >|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the
Internet
> > Internet--D|
> > 
> > And a person wanted to change it to the following:
> > 
> > Internet---A---B
> > |
> > Internet---D---C
> > 
> > The links between each router above is a T1. 
> > A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.
> > 
> > Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can
run
> > BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to
> keep
> > that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for
that
> > subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
> > about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> > available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> > between the two of them?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Joey Fowler
> > 
> > We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. But it sometimes
> > seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but
its
> > own talents.
> > - Eric Hoffer (1902-1983 American Author & Philosopher)
> > 
> > 
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RE: Cisco1601R and IPX problem

[Alexander K]

Hello Olden,

Just a few ideas that came to mind:

Did you check a configuration register value in "show ver" ? Is it 0x2102 or
something else ?

Do you have any "boot system flash XXX" config command in case when boot
from flash fails ?

Do you see any messages on the console when flash boot fails ?

WBR,

Alexander Krastelev
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> not like to boot
> the ios image from flash (c1600-ny-mz) coldly
> If I make it boot from tftp then its fine  (cold and warm boot )
> If I cold boot it from flash it goes into boot mode i.e boot from the
> bootstrap
> If I warm boot (reload) it from flash it works fine .
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RE: Routing Scenario...

[Andy Walden]

I can't think of any reason to put the ethernet interfaces in different
subnets.

andy

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

> Let's say Router A and D both have a subnet that in scenario 1 was shared.
> After changing it, to the second scenario, would the subnet need to be
> divided into two? i.e. originally 12.12.12.0/24 before and 12.12.12.0/25 &
> 12.12.12.128/25 afterward?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:41 AM
> To: Fowler, Joey
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Routing Scenario...
> 
> 
> 
> Are the connections to two different providers? Assuming they are and you
> are recieving two different sets of routes, you could run an IBGP session
> between the two routers so they could share routes for outgoing
> traffic. As far as incoming, you will need to study the traffic patterns
> to the two different providers then tweak it with aspath prepends and
> route filtering.
> 
> andy
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Let's say we have the following:
> > 
> > Internet---A---|
> >|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the Internet
> > Internet--D|
> > 
> > And a person wanted to change it to the following:
> > 
> > Internet---A---B
> > |
> > Internet---D---C
> > 
> > The links between each router above is a T1. 
> > A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.
> > 
> > Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can run
> > BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to
> keep
> > that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for that
> > subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
> > about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> > available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> > between the two of them?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Joey Fowler
> > 
> > We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. But it sometimes
> > seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its
> > own talents.
> > - Eric Hoffer (1902-1983 American Author & Philosopher)
> > 
> > 
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Re: Routing Scenario...

[Brian]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

>
> Let's say we have the following:
>
> Internet---A---|
>|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the Internet
> Internet--D|
>
> And a person wanted to change it to the following:
>
> Internet---A---B
> |
> Internet---D---C
>
> The links between each router above is a T1.
> A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.

your graph is confusing.  Are A B C D all routers?

>
> Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can run
> BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to keep
> that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for that
> subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning

A and D are routers?  On the remote end are they connected to the SAME AS?

> about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> between the two of them?

confused..
>
> Thanks,
> Joey Fowler
>
> We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. But it sometimes
> seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but its
> own talents.
> - Eric Hoffer (1902-1983 American Author & Philosopher)
>
>
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RE: netboot

[Leigh Anne Chisholm]

If you have any boot system commands in your config file, a net boot will
NOT be attempted.  Here's a groupstudy message I posted last month that
explains the boot sequence...

-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: November 6, 2000 6:29 PM
To: A.Strobel; Cisco@Groupstudy. Com
Subject: RE: Boot Sequence


If the configuration register value on a Cisco router has been set to
0x2102, and the router is unable to load a valid IOS image from Flash, the
router will:

1. Attempt a net boot using the boot field value in the configuration
register to determine the filename to use when requesting the IOS image to
be downloaded.

NOTE:  If there is a boot system command stored in the startup-config file,
a net boot will NOT be attempted.

2.  If a valid IOS image cannot be found, the router attempts to boot from
the RXBOOT file in ROM.

3.  If this file cannot be found, the router continues to boot from ROM
Monitor. An IOS can be sent to the router via Xmodem through the console or
AUX port if an AUX port exists.

Configuration registers and boot sequences seemed to be one of those poorly
explained and understood areas - so recently as part of a project I've been
working on, I spent a bit of time researching how exactly these processes
work.  When I first removed my IOS images from Flash, I didn't get the net
boot attempt--like as Adam and Raul described.  However, once I removed my
boot system command from the startup-config file, I received the message:

%Error opening tftp://255.255.255.255/cisco2-C1600 (Timed out)boot of
"cisco2-C1600"

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Pierre-Alex
Sent: December 12, 2000 6:48 AM
To: Cisco
Subject: netboot


"If there are no boot commands in the configuration file, the router
attempts to boot the first file in system Flash memory. If no file is found
in system Flash memory, the router attempts to netboot a default file whose
name is derived from the value of the boot field (for example: cisco2-4000).
If the netboot attempt fails, the boot helper image in boot Flash will boot
up"


QUESTION:

Why is not netboot working the way it is suppose to?

WHAT I DID:

My virtual configuration setting register is set to 0x2102. (Which means I
am allowing netboot in case of failure)
In my startup-config I have told the router to load the IOS from the TFTP
server (located on e0)
I have removed the IOS from the TFTP server and I have erased flash. (To
force netboot)
I have put a renamed copy of my IOS at the root of the TFTP server. Since I
am using 0x2102, the name the router will search during netboot will be
cisco2-4000.bin. (Just in case I copied the IOS  as: cisco2-4000.bin and
Cisco2-4000)


WHAT I GOT:

Copyright (c) 1986-1994 by cisco Systems
4000 processor with 32768 Kbytes of main memory

Illegal IP keyword - classless
Booting c4000-js-mz.120-2a.bin . [File not found]
Network load failed

INTERPRETATION:

The netboot failed or was never attempted!??

***Can you Help: did I miss something? did the
router actually tried netboot? I have no clues...

THANKS



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Opening PIX for all Users

[Nabil Fares]

Greetings all,

I would like to know what are the commands/configs to open the firewall to
all outside users.  Need to have all users access all resources on both DMZ
and inside networks (Please don't ask why!).  Just like to get an idea of
the configs.  I'm currently running PIX515 with 5.1 software

Thanks,

Nabil

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RE: Routing Scenario...

[Andy Walden]

Then you have a point to point connection and should use /30's for the
interfaces. If you want to provide more specifics then I could probably do
the same.

andy



On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:

> What if the link between each router wasn't Ethernet but was a T1.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:39 PM
> To: Fowler, Joey
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Routing Scenario...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I can't think of any reason to put the ethernet interfaces in different
> subnets.
> 
> andy
> 
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:
> 
> > Let's say Router A and D both have a subnet that in scenario 1 was shared.
> > After changing it, to the second scenario, would the subnet need to be
> > divided into two? i.e. originally 12.12.12.0/24 before and 12.12.12.0/25 &
> > 12.12.12.128/25 afterward?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:41 AM
> > To: Fowler, Joey
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Routing Scenario...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Are the connections to two different providers? Assuming they are and you
> > are recieving two different sets of routes, you could run an IBGP session
> > between the two routers so they could share routes for outgoing
> > traffic. As far as incoming, you will need to study the traffic patterns
> > to the two different providers then tweak it with aspath prepends and
> > route filtering.
> > 
> > andy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Fowler, Joey wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Let's say we have the following:
> > > 
> > > Internet---A---|
> > >|<- Ethernet Same subnet - two paths from the
> Internet
> > > Internet--D|
> > > 
> > > And a person wanted to change it to the following:
> > > 
> > > Internet---A---B
> > > |
> > > Internet---D---C
> > > 
> > > The links between each router above is a T1. 
> > > A and D both have an Ethernet connection coming off of them.
> > > 
> > > Here is my question. On the first graph with A and D connected you can
> run
> > > BGP so that any traffic is shared on each router. Is there now a way to
> > keep
> > > that between A and D so that they both receive any info destined for
> that
> > > subnet? I don't see any way there could be, but I also am still learning
> > > about BGP. If this isn't possible would it make sense to subnet the
> > > available network address that A and D currently share and route traffic
> > > between the two of them?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joey Fowler
> > > 
> > > We are told that talent creates its own opportunities. But it sometimes
> > > seems that intense desire creates not only its own opportunities, but
> its
> > > own talents.
> > > - Eric Hoffer (1902-1983 American Author & Philosopher)
> > > 
> > > 
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RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco

[Eddie Parra]

I completely understand.  I think I also need to articulate my tone in these
emails because most people will assume I am slamming a product.  I am very
open minded about Technology.  I have said before, Juniper and Foundry has
very impressive technology.  I like Juniper's XBGP a lot.  I hope future
emails concerning these topics will stay constructive and educational for
everyone.

-Eddie

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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:48 AM
To: Eddie Parra
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco



Eddie,

I appreciate your reply. Just remember that you are a representative of
Cisco and you need to put your words into that context. When you say
something in the future, especially about a competitor, be prepared to be
called out on the floor to back it up with actual facts and some sort of
source for your data.

andy

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:

> Andy,
>
> I am not slamming the Extreme switch.  They make a fair switch.  I am
> just stating facts.  I would buy Foundry before I buy Extreme.  Foundry
> makes a better switch than Extreme, and is also cheaper than Cisco.  I
will
> go over what I wrote: facts.
>
> 1) Enterprises do not come close to switching capacities - FACT 98% of the
> time.
> 2) The Catalyst 6500 offers more features - FACT  (I will go into more
> detail if you want)
> 3) Cisco has a road map for all future IOS features.  Cisco can tell you
> what will be in 12.1(10) if you wanted to know.  Every IOS release is
> planned feature wise.
>
> -Eddie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:58 PM
> To: Eddie Parra
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
>
>
>
>
> This is the second email I have seen from someone at Cisco slamming the
> competition and promoting their stuff today. If your a sales guy
> fine, find the cisco sales list and those that want to here it will
> subscribe. I'm sure someone can contact their Cisco sales rep for the
> kinda of vague information and subtle slams listed below. If you wanted to
> offer a accurate list of features between the two products, I imagine it
> would be better recieved.
>
>
> andy
>
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote:
>
> > Inamul,
> >
> >  What do you need the switch to do?  I am not sure what your
> application
> > is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products
switching
> > ability.  I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a
> TON
> > of things the extreme switch doesn't.  Ask yourself what features you
need
> > now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for
future
> > feature.
> >
> > -Eddie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Desai, Inamul
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> >
> > My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch.
> > We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not
> > deliver test box so we had to go their lab.
> >
> > Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster
> > than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it,
> > we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders
> > or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market
> > share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on
> > CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme.
> >
> >
> > Inamul
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM
> > To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > You bring up very good points.  I would like to add another.  I work for
> an
> > ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network.  I am
familiar
> > with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an
> > easier time learning new things or figuring out others.  Also, it is
nice
> to
> > be able to go to one source to get answers.  I am not necessarily the
> > biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major
benefits.
> >
> > FYI, I have used Boson Tests.  I find them to be excellent tools for
> putting
> > you into the mindset of the exam.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
> >
> >
> > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot
of
> > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et
> al
> > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does.
> >
> > The former also do

Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco (damn!!!)

[Stephen Skinner]

if all else fails we will simply buy juniper and eXtreme.OOPs let the 
cat out of the bag(wouldn`t be the first time) cat 1900/5500...we 
made by other companies first...

bye



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BGP for BSCN

[Ragavendran K Rao (CTS)]

Is there a comprehensive online resource for BGP (for BSCN) available ?

Any information is appreciated.

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RE: [Re: definitions]

[Enrique Estigarribia]

I guess he's talking about Cisco Certified Sales Expert

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I think you'll pick something up if you do some research yourself. I think a
clue from the title "Checkpoint Certified Systems Engineer" will lead me to
believe you'll find more information from Checkpoint's website.

Kenneth

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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[NeoLink2000]

In a message dated 12/12/00 1:31:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN
> > (i.e the one that i want 
> > to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are
> > not advertised 
> > ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same
> > Hello-interval and hold 
> > Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> > When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is
> > what i get on the problem 
> > routers:
> > 
> > P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> > 
> > The routes that are not advertised are the one with
> > FD is Inaccessible
> >  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 

Ok lets start to break this down. Who is that 192.168.1.65? On that device, 
are there any access lists preventing these certain routes? From looking 
closer, it seems the Net of 192.168.1.x has no issues getting through via 
192.168.1.65, but the 192.168.9.x and 192.168.8.x networks do. Are you sure 
you didn't overlook these being on different subnets and maybe forgot to 
advertise them separately? Try checking out your network statements and being 
absolutely sure they are correct. You may then want to try and debug ip 
eigrp... There could be many things wrong and I'd like to help but you have 
to be sure that the basics are checked and there are no simple issues at play 
here. You may want to give us a config example also...good hunting...

PS, Let me know what interface these networks are on. For example, they are 
trying to get there via s0/0. I'm guessing that the 192.168.1.x net it on 
s0/0 and the 192.168.9.x and 192.168.8.x networks are on a different 
interface...hmmm, just thinking out loud...let us know.

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Routing Scenario... Update with links

[Fowler, Joey]

Due to more info being requested here are some diagrams. Group1.jpg is what
we start out with, group2.jpg is what we will be moving to until all of site
1 is migrated to site 3 at a later date. We can optionally also get a t-1
from site 1 to site 3. As I've been going over BGP case studies I haven't
found anything similar to this. IPs have been blanked to protect the
ignorant. Thanks in advance. 




http://www.geocities.com/supertranscipt/group1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/supertranscipt/group2.jpg


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Cisco Secure VPN Client

[Chris Sees]

Is anyone familiar with using the VPN client to connect to a Cisco router
running IP/IPSec Plus 56? I think I have the router configured, but not sure
how the client works  after I've connected to my local ISP.  Anyone?

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Re: BGP for BSCN

[motor_5]

I would also like to know of a resource with a BGP presentation on-line.
This is an important topic.

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CCNP Security Advice

[Eric Gunn]

Hello,

I am attempting the CCNP Security exam, however there does not seem to be 
much information on it out there. I was wondering the amount of questions 
and the passing score.

Also any advice would be appreciated. Is the Boson security test #1 a good 
measuring stick for test preparedness? Any other comments or tips are 
appreciated.

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RE: netboot

[Pierre-Alex]

Much appreciated!

Pierre-Alex

-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:33 AM
To: Pierre-Alex; Cisco
Subject: RE: netboot


If you have any boot system commands in your config file, a net boot will
NOT be attempted.  Here's a groupstudy message I posted last month that
explains the boot sequence...

-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: November 6, 2000 6:29 PM
To: A.Strobel; Cisco@Groupstudy. Com
Subject: RE: Boot Sequence


If the configuration register value on a Cisco router has been set to
0x2102, and the router is unable to load a valid IOS image from Flash, the
router will:

1. Attempt a net boot using the boot field value in the configuration
register to determine the filename to use when requesting the IOS image to
be downloaded.

NOTE:  If there is a boot system command stored in the startup-config file,
a net boot will NOT be attempted.

2.  If a valid IOS image cannot be found, the router attempts to boot from
the RXBOOT file in ROM.

3.  If this file cannot be found, the router continues to boot from ROM
Monitor. An IOS can be sent to the router via Xmodem through the console or
AUX port if an AUX port exists.

Configuration registers and boot sequences seemed to be one of those poorly
explained and understood areas - so recently as part of a project I've been
working on, I spent a bit of time researching how exactly these processes
work.  When I first removed my IOS images from Flash, I didn't get the net
boot attempt--like as Adam and Raul described.  However, once I removed my
boot system command from the startup-config file, I received the message:

%Error opening tftp://255.255.255.255/cisco2-C1600 (Timed out)boot of
"cisco2-C1600"

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Pierre-Alex
Sent: December 12, 2000 6:48 AM
To: Cisco
Subject: netboot


"If there are no boot commands in the configuration file, the router
attempts to boot the first file in system Flash memory. If no file is found
in system Flash memory, the router attempts to netboot a default file whose
name is derived from the value of the boot field (for example: cisco2-4000).
If the netboot attempt fails, the boot helper image in boot Flash will boot
up"


QUESTION:

Why is not netboot working the way it is suppose to?

WHAT I DID:

My virtual configuration setting register is set to 0x2102. (Which means I
am allowing netboot in case of failure)
In my startup-config I have told the router to load the IOS from the TFTP
server (located on e0)
I have removed the IOS from the TFTP server and I have erased flash. (To
force netboot)
I have put a renamed copy of my IOS at the root of the TFTP server. Since I
am using 0x2102, the name the router will search during netboot will be
cisco2-4000.bin. (Just in case I copied the IOS  as: cisco2-4000.bin and
Cisco2-4000)


WHAT I GOT:

Copyright (c) 1986-1994 by cisco Systems
4000 processor with 32768 Kbytes of main memory

Illegal IP keyword - classless
Booting c4000-js-mz.120-2a.bin . [File not found]
Network load failed

INTERPRETATION:

The netboot failed or was never attempted!??

***Can you Help: did I miss something? did the
router actually tried netboot? I have no clues...

THANKS



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Some Big Changes in CCIE Tracks

[Roger Wang]

CCIE WAN, ISP-Dial, and SNA/IP Integration to be retired.  CCIE Design
off-line.  CCIE Service Provider under development.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html

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EIGRP

[Kevin Wigle]

Group,

In the lab again looking at a scenario.

At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.

Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I went
to change it.

However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
"router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
the wildcard mask.

doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .

However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
others without.

Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
examples or am I missing some connection?

All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.

By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at an
upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though there
is no "mask" in the statement.

So what am I missing?

Kevin Wigle


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RE: Spanning Tree Bridge Identifier

[Christopher Larson]

Serial interfaces do not have mac addresses so it chooses a mac to
represent the serial interface

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:05 PM
To: Cisco Study Group
Subject: Spanning Tree Bridge Identifier


Why does it have the following if I have my bridge on my C2500 during
the boot up process?  and where is this MAC address from?


--

Note: A random Spanning Tree Bridge Identifier address of .0c00.b138
has been chosen for Bridge Group 1 since there is no mac address
associated with the selected interface.

Ensure that this address is unique.


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Re: BGP for BSCN

[Tom Keough]

Ragavendran,
I am scheduled to take the BSCN Thursday.  I have been using the Cisco
publication for BSCN by Catherine Paquet and Diane Teare.  Here are two web
sites I have been using to supplement the textbook for BGP:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/18.html
http://joe.lindsay.net/bgp.html
HTH,
Tom

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Standard Access Management
Managed Router Service
Tier 2 Technical Support
Tampa, Florida

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Re: Some Big Changes in CCIE Tracks

[Arthur Stewart]

The only specifics I have found on the new "Service Provider" track are in
the Dec-Jun Global Knowledge Training Catalog p.94.  It says (I have not yet
verified) that the track is:
1. CVOI
2. CIPT
3. ICCR (Intro Cable Routers)
4. MPLS
5. DSL
6. MCNS
7. CSPFF (PIX Fundamentals)
8. CSPFA (Advanced PIX)
9. CSIDS (Intrusion Detection)
10. CSVPN (VPN)

That's all I've seen, nothing confirmed.  Anybody else know anything??

Arthur Stewart

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TFTP Subdirectories

[Pierre-Alex]

I would like to store the IOS of my routers and switch in subfolders so that
they are more organized.

0) can this be done?
1) what command will let me browse the content of my TFTP server folders
2) what command will start the upload process from a subdirectory

Thank you

Pierre-Alex

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RE: netboot

[Pierre-Alex]

Here is the result of removing startup-config, erasing flash, removing the
IOS from the TFTP server and putting a default IOS on the TFTP server. It
does work as it should now! Thanks again for helping...

Cisco4000#erase startup-config
Erasing the nvram filesystem will remove all files! Continue? [confirm]
[OK]
Erase of nvram: complete
Cisco4000#erase flash
Erasing the flash filesystem will remove all files! Continue? [confirm]
Erasing device...  ...erased
Erase of flash: complete
Cisco4000#reload

System configuration has been modified. Save? [yes/no]: no
Proceed with reload? [confirm]

01:40:19: %SYS-5-RELOAD: Reload requested
System Bootstrap, Version 4.14(7), SOFTWARE
Copyright (c) 1986-1994 by cisco Systems
4000 processor with 32768 Kbytes of main memory

 --- System Configuration Dialog ---

Refer to the 'Getting Started' Guide for additional help.
Default settings are in square brackets '[]'.

Configuring interface IP parameters for netbooting:

Configuring interface Serial0:
  Is this interface in use? [yes]: IP address for this interface: IP
add
ress for this interface: IP address for this interface: 1.0.0.1
Number of bits in subnet field [0]:
Class A network is 1.0.0.0, 0 subnet bits; mask is 255.0.0.0

Configuring interface Serial1:
  Is this interface in use? [yes]:
IP address for this interface: 2.0.0.1
Number of bits in subnet field [0]:
Class A network is 2.0.0.0, 0 subnet bits; mask is 255.0.0.0

Configuring interface TokenRing0:
  Is this interface in use? [yes]: n

Configuring interface Ethernet0:
  Is this interface in use? [yes]:
Media-type 10BaseT or AUI? [10BaseT]:
IP address for this interface: 192.168.0.1
Number of bits in subnet field [0]:
Class C network is 192.168.0.0, 0 subnet bits; mask is 255.255.255.0

Booting cisco2-4000 from 192.168.0.109:





















! [OK -
4650
060/16108530 bytes]
F3: 9176+4640852+165008 at 0x12000
Self decompressing the image :
#


# [OK]
-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:33 AM
To: Pierre-Alex; Cisco
Subject: RE: netboot


If you have any boot system commands in your config file, a net boot will
NOT be attempted.  Here's a groupstudy message I posted last month that
explains the boot sequence...

-Original Message-
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: November 6, 2000 6:29 PM
To: A.Strobel; Cisco@Groupstudy. Com
Subject: RE: Boot Sequence


If the configuration register value on a Cisco router has been set to
0x2102, and the router is unable to load a valid IOS image from Flash, the
router will:

1. Attempt a net boot using the boot field value in the configuration
register to determine the filename to use when requesting the IOS image to
be downloaded.

NOTE:  If there is a boot system command stored in the startup-config file,
a net boot will NOT be attempted.

2.  If a valid IOS image cannot be found, the router attempts to boot from
the RXBOOT file in ROM.

3.  If this file cannot be found, the router continues to boot from ROM
Monitor. An IOS can be sent to the router via Xmodem through the console or
AUX port if an AUX port exists.

Configuration registers and boot sequences seemed to be one of those poorly
explained and understood areas - so recently as part of a project I've been
working on, I spent a bit of time researching how exactly these processes
work.  When I first removed my IOS images from Flash, I didn't get the net
boot attempt--like as Adam and Raul described.  However, once I removed my
boot system command from the startup-config file, I received the message:

%Error opening tftp://255.255.255.255/cisco2-C1600 (Timed out)boot of
"cisco2-C1600"

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Re: boson tests??

[Tom Keough]

Kyle,
I started preparing for the CCNP routing exam last Spring.  I read two ACRC
books published by Cisco.  Then in the Summer I missed the deadline for
taking the version 1 exam.  I was again ready to prepare for the version 2
exam in October and I looked at several books.  I purchased the Exam Cram
Routing book while I was waiting for the Cisco Press publication to hit the
streets.  Looking back I thought the Exam Cram book was a good exam prep
type book until I read the one by Paquet and Teare.  The BSCN Cisco
publication by Catherine Paquet and Diane Teare came out in early November
and it totally eclipsed the ACRC books and the Exam Cram Routing book.
Paquet and Teare have done an excellent job in writing a clear, concise
Routing course book.  The labs are excellent and do-able.  This book will be
in my reference library as a permanent resident.

I am at the end stage in preparing for the Routing exam, I am scheduled to
take it this Thursday.  I bought the Boson CCNP practice exams and have been
taking them for the past two weeks.  The exams are a good drill for going
back over the material I have read in the text (looking up the details in
items I missed).  They are also a good way to learn the commands when you
must type them in as the answer to the test questions.  The exam questions
are rather simple and I hear that the real thing has questions that require
reasoning.  Overall the Boson exams are accurate, I have found a couple BGP
questions on topics not covered in the Cisco Press book and a couple actual
errors and some that are not scored properly.  I will be a better judge of
their effectiveness after Thursday morning.

HTH,
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> everso famous Boson Tests??  I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd
> Lamel...are they any good?  they did a great job in preparing me for my
CCNA
> cert.  Just what exactly are them Boson tests?  and where can I get some??
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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Tony van Ree]

Hi,

Do you have "no ip classess" set on the offenders.  If so this may be the cause of 
your grief.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 04:04:04 PM, Aliko Lebby wrote:
> Please help me on this eigrp problem!
> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN (i.e the one that i want 
> to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are not advertised 
> ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same Hello-interval and hold 
> Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is what i get on the problem 
> routers:
> 
> P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
> P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> 
> The routes that are not advertised are the one with FD is Inaccessible
>  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 
> 
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Re: CCNP Security Advice

[xndr]

Hi!

CCNP Security will be changed soon. Since 1st January 2001, you will need to
pass another _3_ exams to became CCNP+Security. Refer Cisco site
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/special1/course.html


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> I am attempting the CCNP Security exam, however there does not seem to be
> much information on it out there. I was wondering the amount of questions
> and the passing score.
>
> Also any advice would be appreciated. Is the Boson security test #1 a good
> measuring stick for test preparedness? Any other comments or tips are
> appreciated.
>
> Thank You,
>
> -Eric
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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Robert Padjen]

Please send config files, show ip eigrp neighbors,
show ip eigrp topo and show tech. My guess is that the
neighbor is not present for 'some' reason.



--- Aliko Lebby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please help me on this eigrp problem!
> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN
> (i.e the one that i want 
> to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are
> not advertised 
> ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same
> Hello-interval and hold 
> Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is
> what i get on the problem 
> routers:
> 
> P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> Serial0/0
> P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> 
> The routes that are not advertised are the one with
> FD is Inaccessible
>  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 
> 
> 
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Serial interface for 2611/2620

[Jeff Walzer]

I have a 2611 and a 2620 that I would like to add serial ports to. I was
wondering if the WIC-1T (One port high-speed serial) would be sufficient?

Thanks,
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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[Tony van Ree]

Hi,

Do you have "no ip classess" set on the offenders.  If so this may be the cause of 
your grief.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 04:04:04 PM, Aliko Lebby wrote:
> Please help me on this eigrp problem!
> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN (i.e the one that i want 
> to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are not advertised 
> ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same Hello-interval and hold 
> Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is what i get on the problem 
> routers:
> 
> P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
>  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
> P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
>  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872), Serial0/0
> P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> 
> The routes that are not advertised are the one with FD is Inaccessible
>  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 
> 
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Cisco Cache Engine vs CacheFlow

[Hao . Zhong]

Sorry if this is off the topic.

My company is planning to implement Inetnet caching. Could anyone tell me
the pro and con of these two products? Or is there any other options?
Thanks!

Hao Zhong

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Re: TFTP Subdirectories

[Andy Walden]

I don't believe you can browse or change directories with tftp. You can
specify a subdirectory when you refer to the filename though, such as:

/tftp/7507/ios/rsp-pv-mz.120-9.S

Remember to keep your permissions accessible.

andy

> I would like to store the IOS of my routers and switch in subfolders so
that
> they are more organized.
> 
> 0) can this be done?
> 1) what command will let me browse the content of my TFTP server folders
> 2) what command will start the upload process from a subdirectory
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Pierre-Alex
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RE: EIGRP

[Jason Baker]

Hi Kevin,

i have found this happens on version 11 of the IOS. However that will
work on version 12 :).

Regards,

Jason Baker
Network Engineer
MCSE, CCNA

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:36 AM
To: cisco
Subject: EIGRP


Group,

In the lab again looking at a scenario.

At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.

Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I went
to change it.

However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
"router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
the wildcard mask.

doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .

However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
others without.

Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
examples or am I missing some connection?

All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.

By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at an
upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though there
is no "mask" in the statement.

So what am I missing?

Kevin Wigle


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Re: EIGRP

[xndr]

Hi!

EIGRP also as IGRP does not allow you to use 'OSPF-like' syntax for
network-area advertisements.
The router's IOS is right and points you to your fail.

For future command syntax please refer to
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/np1_r
/1rprt1/1reigrp.htm#xtocid820596

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 CCNP+Voice, CCIE Lab 19-20/04/2001


> In the lab again looking at a scenario.
>
> At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.
>
> Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I
went
> to change it.
>
> However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
> "router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
> the wildcard mask.
>
> doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .
>
> However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
> others without.
>
> Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
> examples or am I missing some connection?
>
> All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.
>
> By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at
an
> upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though
there
> is no "mask" in the statement.
>
> So what am I missing?
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
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RE: need help from a dlsw guru

[elange]

Source route bridging only works in a token ring environment. The Ethernet
frame doesn't contain a RIF field. Removing these from the configuration
should have no adverse affects. 

Hope this helps

Eric M Lange
Total Care Data Network Engineer 
QWEST Communications


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Subject: need help from a dlsw guru


Good morning.

I need help from a dlsw guru.  I have entered a client site with an odd
dlsw configuration.  I can't determine if the config doesn't make sense, or
if I don't know what I am talking about.  It DOES work, but I don't think
it is optimal, and I'd like to clean it up if possible.

The network looks like this:

SNAMainframe---ethernet---Router1---IP---Router2---ethernet---SNAClient

Router 1 actually has several remote peer definitions to different sites.
Here is the config for Router1:

source-bridge ring-group 17
source-bridge transparent 17 19 1 1
dlsw local-peer peer-id 1.1.1.1 group 17 lf 1500
dlsw ring-list 17 rings 17
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 2.2.2.2
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 3.3.3.3
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 4.4.4.4
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 5.5.5.5
dlsw bridge-group 1
Int e0
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
 bridge-group 1

Each remote router (Router 2) has the following config:

source-bridge ring-group 27
dlsw local-peer peer-id 2.2.2.2 group 17
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 1.1.1.1 lf 1500
dlsw bridge-group 1
Int e0
 ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0
 bridge-group 1


There are no border peers that I can find.  There is no token ring in the
network (They say that token ring was long gone before dlsw was ever used).

I can't find the need for the source-bridge commands or the ring lists.
They don't look like they are doing anything.  Am I wrong?  Couldn't I
remove those with no adverse affects to the config?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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Routing over a WAN (Private) link...

[Keith Whitfield]

Hi..

Presently our setup has a VPN connection, behind the PIX, to
connect to the network(remote) at an ISP. All the traffic flows
via the VPN box to the remote network. So, there is no dedicated
line for remote data transfer or management.
The remoe network and and the local network are two separate
networks connected to 2 different ISP's and the connection
between the networks is established by having static and conduit
mappings on the PIX firewall at both the ends. NAT is enabled on
both the pix boxes.


Now, we have a T1 link coming up to have a dedicated link
between the 2 networks and I have the routers at each end with a
T1-WIC CSU/DSU card.
How do I go abt configring the routers to enable routing between
these 2 networks? I have a very vague idea abt how to go..

Please let me know what are the different ways of doing this?

Any help would be appreciated..

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Re: Eigrp Problem!!!!

[NeoLink2000]

He wrote:::

> I have configured Eigrp on some routers in our WAN
> > (i.e the one that i want 
> > to have eigrp working),  but  some of the routes are
> > not advertised 
> > ,everything else is correct ie same AS Number same
> > Hello-interval and hold 
> > Time plus all routers form neighbor relationships,
> > When running sh ip eigrp topology the following is
> > what i get on the problem 
> > routers:
> > 
> > P 192.168.8.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/11561472),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.9.128/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.9.64/26, 0 successors, FD is Inaccessible
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (22073600/21561600),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.60/30, 1 successors, FD is 21024000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21024000/1761792),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.12/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/2273792),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.20/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 192.168.1.208/30, 1 successors, FD is 21536000
> >  via 192.168.1.65 (21536000/11023872),
> > Serial0/0
> > P 172.16.0.0/19, 1 successors, FD is 21587200
> > 
> > The routes that are not advertised are the one with
> > FD is Inaccessible
> >  can you please  tell me what is wrong ??
> 

Ok lets start to break this down. Who is that 192.168.1.65? On that device, 
are there any access lists preventing these certain routes? From looking 
closer, it seems the Net of 192.168.1.x has no issues getting through via 
192.168.1.65, but the 192.168.9.x and 192.168.8.x networks do. Are you sure 
you didn't overlook these being on different subnets and maybe forgot to 
advertise them separately? Try checking out your network statements and being 
absolutely sure they are correct. You may then want to try and debug ip 
eigrp... There could be many things wrong and I'd like to help but you have 
to be sure that the basics are checked and there are no simple issues at play 
here. You may want to give us a config example also...good hunting...

PS, Let me know what interface these networks are on. For example, they are 
trying to get there via s0/0. I'm guessing that the 192.168.1.x net it on 
s0/0 and the 192.168.9.x and 192.168.8.x networks are on a different 
interface...hmmm, just thinking out loud...let us know.

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/2-NP
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my CCIE lab. I would just have to work a little harder I guess. After all, 
without any goals in life, I'm dead already."
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RE: EIGRP

[Louie Belt]

It depends on the IOS version you are using.  The 12.1 IOS version (and
maybe later 12.0 versions) support the inverse mask, Earlier version do not.

LAB

When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; If
I am right, he will learn, If I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but
both of us will profit.

- John Galt


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Kevin Wigle
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:36 PM
To: cisco
Subject: EIGRP


Group,

In the lab again looking at a scenario.

At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.

Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I went
to change it.

However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
"router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
the wildcard mask.

doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .

However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
others without.

Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
examples or am I missing some connection?

All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.

By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at an
upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though there
is no "mask" in the statement.

So what am I missing?

Kevin Wigle


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Cisco vs. the world! WAS Re: eXtreme and Cisco

[Marcus Walton]

Mohamed,


The short answer to your original question...

No, Cisco will not die.  They are too entrenched in the corporate networks
to die.  However, they certainly will not be as dominate in the service
provider space (i.e., telcos, ISPs, ASPs, etc.) as they are in the
enterprise (corporate) market.  

Now the longer answer...

I think you hit the nail right on the head.  The small, specialized
companies are causing problems for Cisco in the service provider
market.  The niche players are becoming very good (very quickly I might
add) in their respective areas.  Juniper in core routers and Extreme in
core switches are excellent examples of this.  I think Cisco is finding it
difficult to beat out all of these niche players in their respective
areas.  Will one niche player like a Juniper "kill" Cisco?  Absolutely
not...not on their own.  However, while Cisco is almost untouchable in the
enterprise market, the combination of these niche companies (Juniper +
Extreme + Sycamore + Ciena + etc.) could pose a huge obstacle in Cisco's
quest for market share in the service provider space.  Also, keep in mind
that as the Junipers of the world get bigger, their market cap also
grows.  For Cisco, this means that the "can't beat them, but them" option
becomes less of a reality.

Last point:  In the SP (service provider) space, end-to-end solutions mean
less than in the enterprise market.  Been in a central office
lately?  You'll likely find Cisco, Lucent, Nortel, Ciena, Tellabs, ADC,
and a bunch of others.  In a perfect world, a single vendor end-to-end
solution would be great (especially from a network management
perspective).  But a lot of SPs often want best-in-class for each
individual product type (routers, switches, ADMs, cross-connects,
etc).  End-to-end is of secondary importance in the SP market and SPs are
where Cisco is now putting its focus.


Regards.
Marcus

P.S.  The CCIE is indeed safe.  It will retain it's value for long time.



At 03:21 PM 12/11/2000 +0400, you wrote:
hi guys 
just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much more
stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think
guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like
extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to
discuss
this 


Mohamed

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RE: EIGRP

[Jason Baker]

another thing to check however is ensure the no auto summary command :).

Regards,

Jason Baker
Network Engineer
MCSE, CCNA


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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:23 AM
To: 'Kevin Wigle'; cisco
Subject: RE: EIGRP


Hi Kevin,

i have found this happens on version 11 of the IOS. However that will
work on version 12 :).

Regards,

Jason Baker
Network Engineer
MCSE, CCNA

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:36 AM
To: cisco
Subject: EIGRP


Group,

In the lab again looking at a scenario.

At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.

Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I went
to change it.

However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
"router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
the wildcard mask.

doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .

However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
others without.

Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
examples or am I missing some connection?

All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.

By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at an
upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though there
is no "mask" in the statement.

So what am I missing?

Kevin Wigle


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VLSM

[Dyland Desmarais]

Greet all
I am moving through the second chapter of the BSCN text from Cisco press.
To my disappointment, they only dedicated 3 pages to VLSM's and did a rather
quick and dirty 
job on it.

Would anyone going through or have already passed their BSCN have a web
resource or other source that I can get more info about VLSM's.

Thanx a banana bunch

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Re: EIGRP

[John Neiberger]

The 'network' statement in EIGRP is classful and accepts only the network
number with no mask.  You cannot specify subnets in the network statement,
as all subnet masks fall on classful boundaries.

In your case, "network 200.1.1.0" is all that you can enter.  By default,
any interface in the 200.1.1.0/24 subnet would participate in EIGRP,
regardless of that interface's actual subnet mask.

'ip classless' and 'ip subnet-zero' have no bearing on this.  EIGRP is
classless, but the network statement itself is classful.  I have no idea
why.

Remember that in EIGRP, the network statement specifies which interfaces
participate in routing, not which networks are advertised.  

Let's say you have two interfaces, 200.1.1.1/29 and 200.1.1.9/29.  If your
network statement is 'network 200.1.1.0', then both of those interfaces will
participate, but the actual /29 networks will be advertised, just as you
would expect.

HTH,
John

>  Group,
>  
>  In the lab again looking at a scenario.
>  
>  At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.
>  
>  Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I
went
>  to change it.
>  
>  However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
>  "router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
>  the wildcard mask.
>  
>  doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .
>  
>  However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
>  others without.
>  
>  Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
>  examples or am I missing some connection?
>  
>  All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.
>  
>  By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at
an
>  upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though
there
>  is no "mask" in the statement.
>  
>  So what am I missing?
>  
>  Kevin Wigle
>  
>  
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ISDN Simulator Ni1 or AT&T Switch type

[Gordon Olson]

I am going to purchase an ISDN Simulator and they want to know what switch
type that I want, which type do I want? They have Ni1 or AT&T, what is the
one used for lab purposes?

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RE: EIGRP

[Louie Belt]

You can specify an inverse mask in IOS version 12.1

LAB



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John Neiberger
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EIGRP


The 'network' statement in EIGRP is classful and accepts only the network
number with no mask.  You cannot specify subnets in the network statement,
as all subnet masks fall on classful boundaries.

In your case, "network 200.1.1.0" is all that you can enter.  By default,
any interface in the 200.1.1.0/24 subnet would participate in EIGRP,
regardless of that interface's actual subnet mask.

'ip classless' and 'ip subnet-zero' have no bearing on this.  EIGRP is
classless, but the network statement itself is classful.  I have no idea
why.

Remember that in EIGRP, the network statement specifies which interfaces
participate in routing, not which networks are advertised.

Let's say you have two interfaces, 200.1.1.1/29 and 200.1.1.9/29.  If your
network statement is 'network 200.1.1.0', then both of those interfaces will
participate, but the actual /29 networks will be advertised, just as you
would expect.

HTH,
John

>  Group,
>
>  In the lab again looking at a scenario.
>
>  At first, I configured a transit link with a /24 mask.
>
>  Later I thought - gee that's going to be a /29 or /30 in real life so I
went
>  to change it.
>
>  However, the router wouldn't accept "network 200.1.1.0 0.0.0.7" under
>  "router eigrp 10".  It fails with the caret pointing at the first zero in
>  the wildcard mask.
>
>  doing a "?" after "network 200.1.1.0" just comes up with a .
>
>  However, on CCO I see examples of both statements - some with the mask
>  others without.
>
>  Has the behavior of EIGRP changed lately even so that CCO has conflicting
>  examples or am I missing some connection?
>
>  All routers have ip classless and ip subnet-zero configured.
>
>  By the way, my lab scenario has OSPF redistributing the EIGRP. Looking at
an
>  upstream routing table it shows the EIGRP network as a /29 even though
there
>  is no "mask" in the statement.
>
>  So what am I missing?
>
>  Kevin Wigle
>
>
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General ATM query

[D. J. Jones]

I realize this is for groupstudy so please don't flame.  Just wondering if
anyone has had any general experience with IMA on the Cisco 3620/40
platform.  Thanks..dj


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