pirority group damn it [7:38084]
Hi all, I have a question regarding priority groups. We have 2 firewalls. 10.1.1.2 and 10.1.1.3. I am using 10.1.1.2 . But even if I am using 10.1.1.2 the connection is slow as before. What is wrong with my config? Any answer will be highly appreciated. Best regards, Ciscobreaker, CCNP,CCDP Router#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration : 2121 bytes ! version 12.1 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime service password-encryption service udp-small-servers ! hostname Router ! enable secret 5 $1$J0OT$To6EJUMsXnNQN6v.yGy9R1 enable password ak interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial0 bandwidth 128000 ip address 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 priority-group 1 ! interface Serial1 no ip address ! no ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 no ip http server ! no logging trap access-list 150 permit ip host 10.1.1.2 any priority-list 1 protocol ipx medium priority-list 1 protocol pad normal priority-list 1 protocol ip high list 150 priority-list 1 default low ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password ak login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38084t=38084 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]
Hi everyone I have a strange problem I'd like to know if anyone can explain why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. I have two Cat 5500s connected using four 10/100 MB port configured as an etherchannel, it was also configured as an ISL trunk. It's a very simple network with these two switches, a PIX and only VLAN 1 is used. The problem occurred when clients DNS requests failed. The DNS is an NT server which was connected to Switch B, the PIX was connected to Switch A and the default gateway for VLAN 1 was on Switch A. From a PC on Switch A you could ping the NT server and the default gateway and PIX etc, but the NT server couldn't ping the default gateway. Moving a PC to Switch B replicated the problem, I could ping everything else on the network but not the default gateway. When I checked the switches I could see some errors on the first port of the channel, a few align, fcs and runts, I then noticed the port was leaving and joining the spanning tree every 30 seconds or so. Removing the cable from the port fixed the problem immediately, when the cable was put back the problem occurred after about 3 mins. I removed the ISL trunk and put the cable back and it is working and error free for over 12 hours. I'd love to know exactly what caused this, I think it was the VLAN information not being passed down the trunk but I'm not sure and as the link had to be up v.quickly I didn't have time to test a few things out. cheers Pat -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38085t=38085 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pirority group damn it [7:38084]
I'm not sure but your config says that anything ip with a source add 10.1.1.2 to any place gets high priority. But anything else ip gets low priority arp and so on. Is that what you are trying to accomplish? what about other traffic not originating from the firewall, all user traffic gets placed in the low queue? Cisco Breaker wrote: Hi all, I have a question regarding priority groups. We have 2 firewalls. 10.1.1.2 and 10.1.1.3. I am using 10.1.1.2 . But even if I am using 10.1.1.2 the connection is slow as before. What is wrong with my config? Any answer will be highly appreciated. Best regards, Ciscobreaker, CCNP,CCDP Router#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration : 2121 bytes ! version 12.1 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime service password-encryption service udp-small-servers ! hostname Router ! enable secret 5 $1$J0OT$To6EJUMsXnNQN6v.yGy9R1 enable password ak interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial0 bandwidth 128000 ip address 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 priority-group 1 ! interface Serial1 no ip address ! no ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 no ip http server ! no logging trap access-list 150 permit ip host 10.1.1.2 any priority-list 1 protocol ipx medium priority-list 1 protocol pad normal priority-list 1 protocol ip high list 150 priority-list 1 default low ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password ak login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38086t=38084 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can access server accept two concurrent connections? [7:38087]
Hi... I have installed the access server that connected to a normal phone line and I can dial in via my home PC. I want to ask. 1) Whether the access server can accept two concurrent connections with only one phone line. If yes, how to do it? How does service provider provide so many connections to the users? What kind of hardware they are using 2) I use DHCP server to assign IP to the dial in PC. But I want to fix my PC's IP when I dial, not other dial in PC. Do modem have the MAC address? When I type ipconfig -all in my home PC, I saw the strange MAC address 44-45-53-54-00-00. Is that the correct MAC address? I reverse this MAC for a fix IP in DHCP, but seems doesn't work. Why? Thanks a lot Tong == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38087t=38087 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]
Hi In order to do Inter-Vlan routing with a 2620, do I need IP Plus IOS? If the IOS does indeed need to be IP Plus, I will have to add more DRAM to the 2620. Currently the router has a 32M module of DRAM. Can I just add another module into the second slot - is it that easy? Any gotchas I should be aware of? Thanks Colin Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38088t=38088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
I'm sure the recent CCIE's can attest to the Quality of paper that their recognition is printed on. Heck, at least my MCSE and MCT certifiacates LOOK like a huge dollar bill. Elmer - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] By that reasoning Cisco should put Appletalk, IPX, X.25, ATM LANE, and even Decnet back into their exams. On a certification exam, I don't think it's helpful to have a number of questions on equipment that Cisco doesn't even sell anymore. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any, but if they're going to go through the trouble of creating a new exam, it might be helpful not to focus too much on older products and technologies. Maybe they should come up with a CCNA-Legacy certification that would include questions specific to the AGS routers and IOS 10.0. :-) Besides, my point wasn't based on just this issue. I base my opinion on having taken eight Cisco exams and seeing firsthand the quality of their questions. It's readily apparent that many of them contain a large number of poorly written questions and/or poorly written answers. But, that's just my opinion, and that's barely worth the paper it's printed on. :-) Regards, John On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tshon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one prepare you for anything that is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't gaurantee that you won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are prepared to represent their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about the equipment and you run into it, what's your suggestion just replace it, it might work perfectly well, but we'll replace it because you aren't familiar The test and the labs as John knows are not if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of technology that has been around. the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be prepared for it all, in the end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand quickly. A company might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the test shows you what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone up, then you'll pass. Tshon John Neiberger wrote: If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. Here's a suggestion for Cisco: Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30 posters, with special considerations for the people who tend to answer most often. From that list, randomly pick ten, then pay them to write 30 test questions each. I promise you that the end result would be 300 questions that are higher quality than a majority of the questions Cisco has on their current exams. Repeat this process for each new exam needed. Now _that_ would be a killer beta test! Regards, John On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert Padjen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT item please disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding and then address the issue with Cisco if there is agreement that there is an issue. As the content of the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the potential benefits are valued. = Robert Padjen
RE: PPP Multilink on Channelized DS3 [7:38029]
Below is a standard that we use when bonding T-1's together. No difference on the Channelized DS-3. interface Multilink1 description BONDED 2xT1s bandwidth 3072 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252 ppp multilink ppp multilink fragment-delay 10 ppp multilink interleave multilink-group 1 interface Serial3/0:1 no ip address encapsulation ppp ppp multilink multilink-group 1 interface Serial1/0:2 no ip address encapsulation ppp ppp multilink multilink-group 1 Should be pretty much straight forward. Easy to implement and works great. Woody CCNP -Original Message- From: Fraasch James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PPP Multilink on Channelized DS3 [7:38029] I was wondering if anyone has been able to PPP Multilink multiple channels of a DS3 going into a 7206 (or other Cisco router). I have multilinked multiple T1's going to seperate serial interfaces but have not tried to do it on a channelized DS3. Initial search on Cisco's site does not give me much to go on. The DS3 terminates directly into the router itself and we are currently using 12 channels for different connections. I would like to use two more channels to link up a new site. Thanks in advance. James Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38091t=38029 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
weird dail in problem [7:38092]
As fas as I see it I have problem with ppp autoselection when making connection I recieve Line reset by Exec, the whole debug modem looks like Mar 13 18:01:19: TTY2: DSR came up Mar 13 18:01:19: tty2: Modem: IDLE-(unknown) Mar 13 18:01:19: TTY2: EXEC creation Mar 13 18:01:19: TTY2: set timer type 10, 30 seconds Mar 13 18:01:22: TTY2: Autoselect(2) sample FC Mar 13 18:01:22: TTY2: Autoselect(2) sample FC1C ... Mar 13 18:01:28: TTY2: Autoselect(2) sample 1C1CE0FC Mar 13 18:01:30: TTY2: Line reset by Exec Mar 13 18:01:30: TTY2: Modem: (unknown)-HANGUP Mar 13 18:01:30: TTY2: destroy timer type 0 Mar 13 18:01:30: TTY2: dropping DTR, hanging up line config is just very standard line 2 password 7 ... autoselect during-login autoselect ppp login local modem Dialin transport input all stopbits 1 speed 115200 flowcontrol hardware What can be the problem? connection by hyperterm works. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38092t=38092 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-windows on PIX!! Urgent [7:38093]
Hi all, I want to allow the user to access the X-Windows service from inside to outside. Does anyone know why to allow the client access the X-windows from inside to ouside on PIX firewall? Please help, Thank you very much. Ivan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38093t=38093 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: routing [7:38071]
Hi, I think that is the routing problem of the remote router, if you can ping the remote LAN ip at local router. The remote router need to add the route to access your local LAN(your pc). Ivan kaushalender wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi group , I have cisco 2610 router on which I am using static routing .I have new customer which is directly connected on my 2610 router.I have problem that from router i am able to ping the lan ip of the customers end router but from outside i am not able to ping the customer ip means that from my machine i am not able to trace the lan ip of the customer.Althoug I have put route in the router.Can somebody help me in resolving thip prob. The serial of customer at our end interface Serial0/3 description BACK OFFICE 64-SHARED CIRCUIT bandwidth 64 ip address 216.252.243.9 255.255.255.252 ip access-group 107 in ip access-group 107 out rate-limit input 64000 64000 64000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop rate-limit output 64000 64000 64000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop encapsulation ppp The route i have put in router ip route 216.252.243.32 255.255.255.248 216.252.243.10 the output of sh ip route 64.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks C 64.110.105.76/30 is directly connected, Serial0/0 C 64.110.93.192/28 is directly connected, Ethernet0/0 216.252.243.0/24 is variably subnetted, 10 subnets, 4 masks S 216.252.243.192/28 [1/0] via 216.252.243.6 S 216.252.243.176/28 [1/0] via 216.252.243.2 C 216.252.243.160/28 is directly connected, Ethernet0/0 C 216.252.243.6/32 is directly connected, Serial0/1 C 216.252.243.4/30 is directly connected, Serial0/1 C 216.252.243.2/32 is directly connected, Serial0/2 C 216.252.243.0/30 is directly connected, Serial0/2 C 216.252.243.10/32 is directly connected, Serial0/3 C 216.252.243.8/30 is directly connected, Serial0/3 S 216.252.243.32/29 [1/0] via 216.252.243.10 10.0.0.0/22 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 10.101.0.0 is directly connected, Ethernet0/0 S* 0.0.0.0/0 is directly connected, Serial0/0 Plz help me Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38094t=38071 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]
Hi, yes, your router need IP Plus to running ISL or dot1q for Inter-vlan routing. You should check out the flash and memory size for IP Plus, that is easy to install it. Ivan colin newman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi In order to do Inter-Vlan routing with a 2620, do I need IP Plus IOS? If the IOS does indeed need to be IP Plus, I will have to add more DRAM to the 2620. Currently the router has a 32M module of DRAM. Can I just add another module into the second slot - is it that easy? Any gotchas I should be aware of? Thanks Colin Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38095t=38088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]
Based on the fact that you are only using a single VLAN, I would first question why you are using using ISL trunking? Since ISL is used for Inter-VLAN routing, it's an unnecessary configuration, unless you are preparing for multiple VLAN's down the road. Have you configured VTP appropriately? Also, I would check for any ARP abnormalities in your CAM and ARP tables. Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Donlon Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085] Hi everyone I have a strange problem I'd like to know if anyone can explain why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. I have two Cat 5500s connected using four 10/100 MB port configured as an etherchannel, it was also configured as an ISL trunk. It's a very simple network with these two switches, a PIX and only VLAN 1 is used. The problem occurred when clients DNS requests failed. The DNS is an NT server which was connected to Switch B, the PIX was connected to Switch A and the default gateway for VLAN 1 was on Switch A. From a PC on Switch A you could ping the NT server and the default gateway and PIX etc, but the NT server couldn't ping the default gateway. Moving a PC to Switch B replicated the problem, I could ping everything else on the network but not the default gateway. When I checked the switches I could see some errors on the first port of the channel, a few align, fcs and runts, I then noticed the port was leaving and joining the spanning tree every 30 seconds or so. Removing the cable from the port fixed the problem immediately, when the cable was put back the problem occurred after about 3 mins. I removed the ISL trunk and put the cable back and it is working and error free for over 12 hours. I'd love to know exactly what caused this, I think it was the VLAN information not being passed down the trunk but I'm not sure and as the link had to be up v.quickly I didn't have time to test a few things out. cheers Pat -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38096t=38085 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCNP exams [7:38097]
My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford these ongoing cost, and the ongoing cost are not exactly justified. I thought the exams for the CCNP did test my knowledge of the subject fairly. My plan for right now is to learn all the material I would need to be a CCNP, but not take the rest of the exams. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. -Original Message- From: Yahoudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this
Is this possible? [7:38098]
Hi All, Is it possible to do the following.I have a Citrix server on my internal network which has an outside address via NAT. On the PIX port 1494, ICA client, is open and is obviously allowed to come in. The user is then prompted for a user name and password. Upon entering this information, they are then prompted for the pin and secure ID by our RSA server. My question is this, as opposed to having the Citrix server prompt them for their RSA info I would love for them to prompted by the firewall. Any ideas if it can? Thanks, Rich Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38098t=38098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]
You don't need the IP+ feature-set to route VLAN's. I just tried creating a sub-interface off of the FE on one of our 2621's running 12.1.5 IP, and it let me. That's the only requirement. Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of colin newman Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088] Hi In order to do Inter-Vlan routing with a 2620, do I need IP Plus IOS? If the IOS does indeed need to be IP Plus, I will have to add more DRAM to the 2620. Currently the router has a 32M module of DRAM. Can I just add another module into the second slot - is it that easy? Any gotchas I should be aware of? Thanks Colin Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38099t=38088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The CCNA exam has changed effective 3-12-02 [7:37960]
I am referring to exams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The CCNA exam has changed effective 3-12-02 [7:37960] you should always remember the full command. - are you simply referring to exam situations, or do you consider that in real life it is necessary to remember the full commands? (No, I don't consider exams to be real life ;-) If you're just talking about exams, fair enough, but if you're talking about real world situations, why do you think this? JMcL - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 13/03/2002 08:47 am - Andy Barkl Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/03/2002 05:41 am Please respond to Andy Barkl To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: The CCNA exam has changed effective 3-12-02 [7:37960] Why would the exam simulator give you the help option? And you should always remember the full command. The simulators from www.CiscoPress.com and www.RouterSim.com do support the help command and abbreviated commands. But nothing beats real equipment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sam sneed Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The CCNA exam has changed effective 3-12-02 [7:37960] I tried the simulation and it makes you type out every single command. No abreviations and no ? allowed. Thats is retarded. If there going to make their simulation they should do it right, it is their software they're simulating. I'd like to see anyone doing any half decent config without using tab completion or ?. My thoughts are that its a great idea, and should be applied to the CCNP too, but the simulation should be as accurate as possible.If they're going to be half-assed about it don't do it at all. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38100t=37960 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]
Ok, I stuck my foot in it.You DO need the IP+ feature-set to route VLAN's with ISL. The standard IP feature-set will allow you to create FE sub-ints, but does not provide the encapsulation necessary to recognize the ISL tags. Thanks, Ivan, for prompting me to double check this. Sorry for the mis-lead. And Ivan is correct, adding DRAM to a router is a piece-of-cake, it's just like adding memory to a PC. Kelly Cobean, CCNP,CCSA,ACSA,MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: Kelly Cobean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:10 AM To: ciscogroup Subject: RE: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088] You don't need the IP+ feature-set to route VLAN's. I just tried creating a sub-interface off of the FE on one of our 2621's running 12.1.5 IP, and it let me. That's the only requirement. Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of colin newman Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088] Hi In order to do Inter-Vlan routing with a 2620, do I need IP Plus IOS? If the IOS does indeed need to be IP Plus, I will have to add more DRAM to the 2620. Currently the router has a 32M module of DRAM. Can I just add another module into the second slot - is it that easy? Any gotchas I should be aware of? Thanks Colin Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38101t=38088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP exams [7:38097]
Brian, It's a 3 year timer, not a two year timer for recertification. I got the certification to compliment my experience, not to say that I know what I'm doing because I have the CCNP certification. Those people that get it and are entry level will be weeded out by hiring managers. Those that have experience AND the certification can stand on their own from a hiring managers standpoint. Even the certification and experience do not make that person an expert. The CCNP exams CAN be passed by less than par individuals. That said, that is why there is a high-level certification. The CCIE, which when combined with real experience (pretty much required to pass), proves you are the cream of the crop. CCNA shows you want more and have started to learn the basics of routing. CCNP shows you have at least a basic knowledge of how things work. I don't think it shows that you can implement it. You need to have the experience to back up the certification to show you can implement it. The CCIE can pretty much be taken at face value, because almost anyone who has the certification has the experience anyway, but in order to pass the lab you have to prove something more. All the other certs simply pull you apart from other candidates if you have a reasonable amount of real-world experience. Robert -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course SNIPPED Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38102t=38097 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]
I love this group, how's about scalability, new requirements, sorry for being sarcastic but it's not about the design, simple as it is, but a fault cheers -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelly Cobean wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Based on the fact that you are only using a single VLAN, I would first question why you are using using ISL trunking? Since ISL is used for Inter-VLAN routing, it's an unnecessary configuration, unless you are preparing for multiple VLAN's down the road. Have you configured VTP appropriately? Also, I would check for any ARP abnormalities in your CAM and ARP tables. Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Donlon Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085] Hi everyone I have a strange problem I'd like to know if anyone can explain why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. I have two Cat 5500s connected using four 10/100 MB port configured as an etherchannel, it was also configured as an ISL trunk. It's a very simple network with these two switches, a PIX and only VLAN 1 is used. The problem occurred when clients DNS requests failed. The DNS is an NT server which was connected to Switch B, the PIX was connected to Switch A and the default gateway for VLAN 1 was on Switch A. From a PC on Switch A you could ping the NT server and the default gateway and PIX etc, but the NT server couldn't ping the default gateway. Moving a PC to Switch B replicated the problem, I could ping everything else on the network but not the default gateway. When I checked the switches I could see some errors on the first port of the channel, a few align, fcs and runts, I then noticed the port was leaving and joining the spanning tree every 30 seconds or so. Removing the cable from the port fixed the problem immediately, when the cable was put back the problem occurred after about 3 mins. I removed the ISL trunk and put the cable back and it is working and error free for over 12 hours. I'd love to know exactly what caused this, I think it was the VLAN information not being passed down the trunk but I'm not sure and as the link had to be up v.quickly I didn't have time to test a few things out. cheers Pat -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38104t=38085 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switch cluster [7:38105]
I have 2 - 3548 clustered. Why is it when I telnet into it I only see the master switche interfaces? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38105t=38105 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP exams [7:38097]
The CCNA is a joke. If a employer is requiring a CCNA or CCNP I would hope that they would do a little research and understand what goes into getting these certifications. Also, you need the CCNA to get your CCNP so I don't see how the CCNA would be more attractive. I am not sure why Cisco has changed the CCNP track again, maybe too many people are passing the exams. However, I passed all the exams in just under 6 months and I thought that self study and the books were plenty to get throught the exams. Also, the 500 or 600 dollars you spend is for advancement and marketability in our industry. I feel the most qualified candidate for a job will have On The Job Experience along with an education and certifications. Remember this is your career. Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford these ongoing cost, and the ongoing cost are not exactly justified. I thought the exams for the CCNP did test my knowledge of the subject fairly. My plan for right now is to learn all the material I would need to be a CCNP, but not take the rest of the exams. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. -Original Message- From: Yahoudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL
ospf and static routes [7:38107]
If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38107t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test [7:38120]
test Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38120t=38120 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test msg [7:38119]
test msg Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38119t=38119 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EIGRP Metric and Route inconcistence [7:38043]
What your describing is fairly common and you can fix this by adjusting the delay metric of router interfaces in your path. In your example, you could adjust the delay between the routers so that the path metrics are equal. This is, as you note, the preferred approach with IGRP/EIGRP to manipulate metrics. One thing to note though is that by making the paths appear equal, you are, in fact, lying to the router R1. Since the real bw and delay are not equal, the router is doing what it should do, pick the path with the most preferred route based on these factors. If you have multiple routes with unequal cost, you can use the variance command in IGRP/EIGRP so that you can send a fraction of packets over the lesser preferred path. In your case, if you used the command variance 2 under the EIGRP statement for R1, it would consider alternative, less preferred paths as long as they were less than or equal to (2*preferred path metric). The router would then send half as many packets along the less preferred path as the most preferred path. If you used variance 3 it would use (3*preferred path metric) and send 1/3 as many packets, etc. etc. for any n value variance n. In your scenario, using the variance command may be preferred since you may not want a less preferred path getting the same amount of packets as the most preferred path. Then again, since the delay values are so close, the paths may, for all practical purposes, be roughly equal in performance, so equal sharing of the paths may be better. That's something you would have to determine in practice, based on your particular network traffics characteristics. HTH, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EIGRP Metric and Route inconcistence [7:38043] Hi, By default EIGRP uses 2 metric: Bandwidth and Delay to calculate routes. It is recomended that we should not change the Actual Bandwith, but we can change the interface delay for the traffic enginering purposes. The metric is : Min Bandwidth + Cumulative Delay. This can end up with a problem of route non-consiste1nce. Here is my counter example: R2 / \ /\ R1 R4-R5 \/ \ / R3 Link 1-2 : Bandwidth = 10M, delay = 10ms 2-4 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 5ms 1-3 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 15ms 3-4 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 5ms 4-5 : Bandwidth = 10M, delay = 10ms The traffic from R1 to a network directly connected to R4 will be load balance between routes R1-R2-R4 and R1-R3-R4. because the Metric of the two routes are the same: R1-R2-R4 = Bandwidth (i.e. 10^7 / 1) + Delay (i.e 1000 + 500) = = 1000 + 1000 + 500 = 2500 R1-R3-R4 = 500 + 1500 + 500 = 2500 However, traffic from R1 heading for R5 is not load-balanced because the Metric R1-R2-R4-R5 is 3500 while the metric R1-R3-R4-R5 = 4000 that means all traffic from R1 - R5 will go via R2 That's is a kind of inconcistence, which may lead to bottleneck, and cause difficulty for traffic engineering. Could you please tell me if I am wrong or right ? If I am right, how we can overcome this problem. Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38118t=38043 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bgp multihome [7:37948]
ure going fine. brian kastor wrote: We have 1 router, 2 connections. One goes to uunet, the other to att. Equal bandwidth. UUNET is where we are getting a /23, we are getting nothing from att but connectivity and they have aggreed to advertise the /23. The router is a 3640 with 256mb. I have tried to explain that this router should only be used for this task, but others are wondering if we should bring in another couple of ds1's... hey we have the space on the router. This got me to thinking we could take some of the load of by only getting customer routes or even just defaults. John's first post made me rethink the defaults, so I was just wondering about what happens when somethinng comes through for an as that isn't attached to the providers if we go with just customer routes. I think I am going to take MADMAN's suggestion and just weigh everything that doesn't get routed to uunet's side. I hope this helps clear it up... don't think I did a very good job of explaining why I was asking Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38117t=37948 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT item please disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding and then address the issue with Cisco if there is agreement that there is an issue. As the content of the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the potential benefits are valued. = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38110t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SwitchSim [7:38112]
Hi Guys I found this product SwitchSim, it is a Cisco Switch Simulator ( not from Cisco) Let me know your exprience if you have use this simulator in the past. Thanks, Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38112t=38112 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame-Relay encapsulation issue [7:38061]
As John alludes to, if you really want to ping yourself build a map to yourself, careful may cause blindness ;) Dave John Neiberger wrote: With this sort of configuration you won't be able to ping your own interface. It may seem counter-intuitive at first but the problem is that the router doing the pinging doesn't have a frame relay map for its own IP address. With the point-to- point interface you had originally this is not an issue. When you ping your own serial interface the packet usually goes to remote router first, gets bounced back to the local router which then replies to the opposite side, which bounces the reply back to the originating router. This process won't work if the originating router doesn't know where to send the first packet. This is normal behavior for this sort of configuration and nothing to be concerned about. HTH, John On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Kelly Cobean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: All, I am stumped by some behavior I am seeing in my lab when testing frame-relay. I have a 4000 configured as a frame switch; nothing special, just the standard frame-relay route commands necessary to switch the traffic between two other routers (we'll call them rtrA rtrB, for clarity.) On rtrA, I have configured a physical interface with a map statement. On rtrB, I have configured a P2P sub-interface with a frame-relay interface dlci xxx statement (you can't use a map statement on a P2P interface, the router complains). All works fine, and I can ping rtrB and rtrA from rtrA and vice versa (In other words, I can ping my own interface and the remote interface on both routers). Here's where it gets weird...If I delete the P2P interface on rtrB, reload to get rid of the residue, then reconfigure the router with a multipoint sub-interface and a map statement, I can still ping rtrA just fine, but I lose the ability to ping rtrB from rtrB itself (i.e. pinging my own interface) I lose the ability to ping rtrA's interface from rtrA at this point as well. Debug output shows the typical encapsulation failed error, but I'm at a loss as to why I can ping the remote router, but not my own interface? Anyone have any thoughts? I'm sure I'm missing something, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is. Thanks in advance for any input. Kelly Cobean, CCNP,CCSA,ACSA,MCSE,MCP+I [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38134t=38061 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
1) redistribute static under the OSPF process OR 2) use an OSPF default-originate, if the route in question is one you want to be your default route either works, but 2 is probably considered better practice. NetEng wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38139t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switching and STP [7:38137]
I have follwoing questions: Q1: When all the ports are in BLOCKing mode at start on switch, how the initial broadcasts are then forwarded in a network so that switches can learn about each other via BPDUs? Q2: When a switch breaks the collision domains, then what is the point of using Fragment Free method to avoid collisions? /N Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38137t=38137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
In OSPF configuration mode on your ASBR, you can issue the command default-information originate. As long as the ASBR has a default route in it's routing table, it will inject it into OSPF. Note that you cannot redistribute a 0/0 route into OSPF. You don't have to create static routes on your ABR's, as the Type5 LSA's will be propogated into your areas. If your areas are stub areas, then the ABR will block Type5 LSA's and inject it's own default into the area, such that routers in the area will know about all routes inside the AS, but will use the ABR as their default gateway, trusting that it will know how to route the packet accordingly to the ASBR. If your areas are totally-stub areas ( a cisco-only implementation ) then all Type3,4,5 LSA's are blocked and ONLY a default will be passed into the area, so the area would only have routes internal to the area and a default to get out of the area. Hope this helps... Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of NetEng Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ospf and static routes [7:38107] If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38129t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP exams [7:38097]
No worries Brian. I started the CCNP track when it was in the 400's, and in that case you could mix and match the exams to complete the cert. I took the 400 versions of the switching and remote access exams and the 500 versions of routing and support. If Cisco follows suit with this one, you should be able to continue with your CCNP exams without any trouble; I highly doubt you'll have to re-take any of them. -Original Message- From: Robert Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP exams [7:38097] Brian, It's a 3 year timer, not a two year timer for recertification. I got the certification to compliment my experience, not to say that I know what I'm doing because I have the CCNP certification. Those people that get it and are entry level will be weeded out by hiring managers. Those that have experience AND the certification can stand on their own from a hiring managers standpoint. Even the certification and experience do not make that person an expert. The CCNP exams CAN be passed by less than par individuals. That said, that is why there is a high-level certification. The CCIE, which when combined with real experience (pretty much required to pass), proves you are the cream of the crop. CCNA shows you want more and have started to learn the basics of routing. CCNP shows you have at least a basic knowledge of how things work. I don't think it shows that you can implement it. You need to have the experience to back up the certification to show you can implement it. The CCIE can pretty much be taken at face value, because almost anyone who has the certification has the experience anyway, but in order to pass the lab you have to prove something more. All the other certs simply pull you apart from other candidates if you have a reasonable amount of real-world experience. Robert -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course SNIPPED Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38109t=38097 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP exams [7:38097]
Just to make sure: Student A passed is CCNP last week. His certification is valid for 3 years, regardless of changes in the content of the exams or the certification. Correct? Thank you, Pierre-Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ladrach, Daniel E. Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP exams [7:38097] The CCNA is a joke. If a employer is requiring a CCNA or CCNP I would hope that they would do a little research and understand what goes into getting these certifications. Also, you need the CCNA to get your CCNP so I don't see how the CCNA would be more attractive. I am not sure why Cisco has changed the CCNP track again, maybe too many people are passing the exams. However, I passed all the exams in just under 6 months and I thought that self study and the books were plenty to get throught the exams. Also, the 500 or 600 dollars you spend is for advancement and marketability in our industry. I feel the most qualified candidate for a job will have On The Job Experience along with an education and certifications. Remember this is your career. Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford these ongoing cost, and the ongoing cost are not exactly justified. I thought the exams for the CCNP did test my knowledge of the subject fairly. My plan for right now is to learn all the material I would need to be a CCNP, but not take the rest of the exams. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. -Original Message- From: Yahoudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad
Re: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
There's a test question if I ever heard one. - Original Message - From: NetEng To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: ospf and static routes [7:38107] If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38127t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SwitchSim [7:38111]
HI Guys I am preparing for my CCNP switching exam, i found a product SwitchSIm which is a Cisco Switch Simulator, Let me know your experience if you have used this product. Thanks, Rafay. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38111t=38111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
Depending on what the static route is. If the static is a default route, you could redistribute with the redistribute static or you could use default information originate. You could also make the static next hop a interface that is already apart of the ospf domain. then automatic redistribution will happen. NetEng wrote: If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38136t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
I don't usually reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these is not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just have manners and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I just can't what people will say if I post in my Zulu language knowing for a fact that these won't make sense to most if not all the people who are going to receive these.Waste of bandwidth.. Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please. I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t! People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and behave like a responsible human being. Pc9101 2002-03-13 05:24:42 Hi all +ACE- O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi xin tu gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco. Va dang hoc thi BCRAN. Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh. Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38124t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
With respect, I would argue that Cisco wants to sell products and that the certifications are a way to add credibality to them as a vendor. I do agree that one may come across old equipment in their travels, and perhaps I am fortunate to work with newer things, but I have to question the conflicts that exist between marketing, best practices and the certifications. My clients now expect solutions that allow for VOIP, mcast, streaming content and high bandwidth. Can I really champion the 1604 router when the 2651 is not that much more and allows for those needs (of course, if they aren't asking for those services its a balancing act). I'm never going to recommend the 766 router, for example, however. ;) --- Tshon wrote: I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one prepare you for anything that is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't gaurantee that you won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are prepared to represent their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about the equipment and you run into it, what's your suggestion just replace it, it might work perfectly well, but we'll replace it because you aren't familiar The test and the labs as John knows are not if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of technology that has been around. the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be prepared for it all, in the end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand quickly. A company might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the test shows you what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone up, then you'll pass. Tshon John Neiberger wrote: If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. Here's a suggestion for Cisco: Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30 posters, with special considerations for the people who tend to answer most often. From that list, randomly pick ten, then pay them to write 30 test questions each. I promise you that the end result would be 300 questions that are higher quality than a majority of the questions Cisco has on their current exams. Repeat this process for each new exam needed. Now _that_ would be a killer beta test! Regards, John On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert Padjen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT item please disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding and then address the issue with Cisco if there is agreement that there is an issue. As the content of the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the potential benefits are valued. = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38142t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Switch cluster [7:38105]
Assuming you have configured clustering on the two switches, you can type rcom 1 from the cluster commander to see the interfaces on the second switch. Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of NetEng Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Switch cluster [7:38105] I have 2 - 3548 clustered. Why is it when I telnet into it I only see the master switche interfaces? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38125t=38105 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003]
the largest I have had expereince with is oc-12 on an oc-48 smart ring...There's no difference in setup really. hell I would go for the cheapest! Mike Mandulak 03/13/02 01:19AM Do you think I need a couple for my home lab? The largest I've worked with are oc-3's. - Original Message - From: Mike Bernico To: Mike Mandulak ; Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] Heh, for only about $240,000 list you too can own a 1 port oc-192 POS card for a 124xx series GSR that will do not only PPP and HDLC over sonet, but also frame relay encapsulation... Seriously though, we aren't ready for 10Gig yet, but when the time comes I'm considering using 10 Gig E between our core routers instead. I'm not sure how serious I am about that, but the line cards will be less than half the cost. Anyone other SPs out there considering that? Mike -Original Message- From: Mike Mandulak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tue 3/12/2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] Out of curiosity, what hardware/protocol do you use for an OC-192? - Original Message - From: Mike Bernico To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] I work for a large ISP. As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a high speed ATM link. In the cisco carrier class ATM world oc-12 is as fast as you go. Unless of course you use the mgx 8850, the biggest piece of junk ever painted blue and stamped with a bridge. ATM is still a great way to do statistical multiplexing, a great revenue stream for carriers and popular among the connect all the sites in my enterprise together with DS3s crowd. ATM circuit emulation is darn handy for legacy video. It's days are numbered in larger networks. It's all but extinct in the OC-12 networks, but it's going to be around for a while for smaller networks. Mike --- Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] Illinois Century Network http://www.illinois.net (217) 557-6555 -Original Message- From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] quite possibly because the big telecom providers connect most of their pops/CO's with high speed atm links... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Ramsey Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] Cisco support vlan tagging over frame circuits? I was looking at a Tierra networks router and it was listed as one of it +'s. Does Cisco even support this? This kinda creeps up even further on the +'s of atm and how long atm is going to survive. Other than being capable of joining elans at oen fac. from another, can anyone even think of why atm still exists? With wdm and all the newer technology coming around the corner, why is atm still so saught after for long distance links? -Patrick Confidentiality DisclaimerThis email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential and /or proprietary information in the possession of WellStar Health System, Inc. (WellStar) and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom addressed. This email may contain information that is held to be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized access, dissemination, distribution or copying of any information from this email is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and then delete this email and its attachments from your computer. Thank you. Confidentiality Disclaimer This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential and /or proprietary information in the possession of WellStar Health System, Inc. (WellStar) and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom addressed. This email may contain information that is held to be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized access, dissemination, distribution or copying of any information from this email is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability. If you have received this email in error,
Re: pirority group damn it [7:38084]
Your access-list 150 and priority list say to make traffic from the firewall be highest priority. All other IP traffic appears to be the lowest priority. But what traffic does your firewall actually send? The term firewall gets used to mean all sorts of things including proxy servers. But if your firewall is simply a device that examines packets and allows or doesn't allow, it is not the source IP address for most traffic. The source address is the end host client or server. Perhaps what you want is to change the list to all devices on the 10.1.1.0 network, rather than just the firewall. Priscilla At 03:41 AM 3/13/02, Cisco Breaker wrote: Hi all, I have a question regarding priority groups. We have 2 firewalls. 10.1.1.2 and 10.1.1.3. I am using 10.1.1.2 . But even if I am using 10.1.1.2 the connection is slow as before. What is wrong with my config? Any answer will be highly appreciated. Best regards, Ciscobreaker, CCNP,CCDP Router#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration : 2121 bytes ! version 12.1 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime service password-encryption service udp-small-servers ! hostname Router ! enable secret 5 $1$J0OT$To6EJUMsXnNQN6v.yGy9R1 enable password ak interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial0 bandwidth 128000 ip address 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 priority-group 1 ! interface Serial1 no ip address ! no ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 no ip http server ! no logging trap access-list 150 permit ip host 10.1.1.2 any priority-list 1 protocol ipx medium priority-list 1 protocol pad normal priority-list 1 protocol ip high list 150 priority-list 1 default low ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password ak login ! end Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38141t=38084 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is this possible? [7:38098]
If you are running the RADIUS Daemon component on your SecurID server, you could have the Firewall pass the auth. request as a radius request. The radius daemon gets the request and passes it using native SecurID calls to the ACE server, then returns the appropriate response. As far as getting the Firewall to authenticate an actual application, I'm not aware of if or how you would do that. Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnson, Richard (NY Int) Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Is this possible? [7:38098] Hi All, Is it possible to do the following.I have a Citrix server on my internal network which has an outside address via NAT. On the PIX port 1494, ICA client, is open and is obviously allowed to come in. The user is then prompted for a user name and password. Upon entering this information, they are then prompted for the pin and secure ID by our RSA server. My question is this, as opposed to having the Citrix server prompt them for their RSA info I would love for them to prompted by the firewall. Any ideas if it can? Thanks, Rich Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38113t=38098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
I would say it's a sign that recruiting firms, such as Atlantis, don't have a clue, as it has always been. - Sean -Original Message- From: Tarek Sabry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] This is really funny :) I don't think it's a sign that the industry doesn't acknowledge CCIEs as all-round experts anymore (hopefully not anyway!) I think the word junior is just to justify the relatively low salary range they're offering (in California). Tarek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Diliberto Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38135t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
Thats a really pricey part of town they're in too, living close well it'd cost bux.. Bri On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, John Neiberger wrote: For that much money, I'd take it! Who cares what the title is, the low range would be a significant raise. :-) Then again, look who the employment agency is. In Denver, at least, they're not exactly reputable. In fact, I'd bet money that the job doesn't even exist! John On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Ken Diliberto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38133t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: question about stateful inspection [7:36817]
another one: firewall provides filtering at the packet, circuit, and application layer packet level would be filtering based on Source, Destination IP address. Application layer filtering would be specific to the application like ftp or smtp where filter rules would examine deeper into the packets right into data part for things like get/put for FTP filtering. what would be circuit level filtering ? --- Kent Hundley wrote: As far as I can tell, it means essentially nothing. All SPI is by definition, multi layer since it tracks at least both layer 3 and layer 4. It looks like a term added to SPI to make it sound like its looking at more layers. It's probably a term cooked up by the marketing departments of SPI firewall vendors. You see things like this a lot, especially in the security product arena. Companies invent terms to make their technology sound new or unique when they are neither. Regards, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Green Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: question about stateful inspection [7:36817] what is multilayer stateful inspection ? stateful inspection is understood fine. but what does the prefix multilayer denote or mean ? state refers to the state of a session information that is temporarily kept in a state table for open connections and is wiped or erased when the session ends. BUT what does multilayer mean here ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38126t=36817 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
Please specify more detail info about your case NetEng If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38122t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085]
I'll make you a deal...I won't pose design questions in response to your fault questions when you can criticize me for trying to help you using something other than one big, fragmented run-on sentence. Worse than my unsolicited design suggestions are the inability of most people to form a coherent thought in writing to convey their point. It makes it difficult, if not impossible to HELP with the problem at hand when you must focus so hard on deciphering the broken sentence that you can't focus on the technology. Now, I certainly get your point that I'm not sticking strictly to the question at hand, but one of the best design philosophies (which determines in part your troubleshooting methodologies) out there is Keep It Simple. There is no need to apply a technology if it's not going to be used. I suggest this merely because I don't know you, your skill level, or your future plans for this network. My suggesting that you not use ISL if there are no plans for it in the future was an attempt to save you the heart-ache of chasing down a problem that needn't exist, however educational the answer may be. I also caveated my statement with unless you are preparing for multiple VLAN's down the road, so be as scalable as you want, just don't assume that I know your future plans. I'm merely analyzing the problem in front of me. After all, you did say that you had to get this up very quickly. Also note that I DID included some other thoughts for you to check on if diagnosing the problem to resolution is the path you're on, so my message wasn't entirely wasted on babbling about my perceived over-engineering of your network. As with all lists, responses to questions are take it or leave it. If you don't like mine that's fine, but maybe someone else on the list was able to benefit from it. In the future, I'll refrain from any attempts to suggest alternatives to problematic implementations. Apparently Arrogant, Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Donlon Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085] I love this group, how's about scalability, new requirements, sorry for being sarcastic but it's not about the design, simple as it is, but a fault cheers -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelly Cobean wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Based on the fact that you are only using a single VLAN, I would first question why you are using using ISL trunking? Since ISL is used for Inter-VLAN routing, it's an unnecessary configuration, unless you are preparing for multiple VLAN's down the road. Have you configured VTP appropriately? Also, I would check for any ARP abnormalities in your CAM and ARP tables. Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Donlon Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Etherchannel/ISL trunk failure [7:38085] Hi everyone I have a strange problem I'd like to know if anyone can explain why it happened and how to prevent it happening again. I have two Cat 5500s connected using four 10/100 MB port configured as an etherchannel, it was also configured as an ISL trunk. It's a very simple network with these two switches, a PIX and only VLAN 1 is used. The problem occurred when clients DNS requests failed. The DNS is an NT server which was connected to Switch B, the PIX was connected to Switch A and the default gateway for VLAN 1 was on Switch A. From a PC on Switch A you could ping the NT server and the default gateway and PIX etc, but the NT server couldn't ping the default gateway. Moving a PC to Switch B replicated the problem, I could ping everything else on the network but not the default gateway. When I checked the switches I could see some errors on the first port of the channel, a few align, fcs and runts, I then noticed the port was leaving and joining the spanning tree every 30 seconds or so. Removing the cable from the port fixed the problem immediately, when the cable was put back the problem occurred after about 3 mins. I removed the ISL trunk and put the cable back and it is working and error free for over 12 hours. I'd love to know exactly what caused this, I think it was the VLAN information not being passed down the trunk but I'm not sure and as the link had to be up v.quickly I didn't have time to test a few things out. cheers Pat -- email me on : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38128t=38085 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is this possible? [7:38098]
Yes, you'll need to configure the PIX to use AAA and have it speak Radius or TACACS+ to the ACE server: How to do AAA with the PIX: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/110/atp52.html Info on Cisco talking to ACE server: http://www.rsasecurity.com/support/guides/imp_pdfs/Cisco_Remote_Access_Serve rs_and_Pix_FW.pdf You can probably get more info from the RSA site. HTH, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnson, Richard (NY Int) Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Is this possible? [7:38098] Hi All, Is it possible to do the following.I have a Citrix server on my internal network which has an outside address via NAT. On the PIX port 1494, ICA client, is open and is obviously allowed to come in. The user is then prompted for a user name and password. Upon entering this information, they are then prompted for the pin and secure ID by our RSA server. My question is this, as opposed to having the Citrix server prompt them for their RSA info I would love for them to prompted by the firewall. Any ideas if it can? Thanks, Rich Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38138t=38098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
:-D I am ccnp ccdap Co thue nguoi khong? Pc9101 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all +ACE- O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi xin tu gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco. Va dang hoc thi BCRAN. Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh. Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38123t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Cisco Specialization Test Pack V3.28 [7:37973]
yeah u have crack for it. hehehehe --- Maverick wrote: Does anyone still have a copy of the test pack? I desperate need a copy... Pls help rgds Maverick [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38131t=37973 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The CCNA exam has changed effective 3-12-02 [7:37960]
surely makes sense. if they are gonna introduce simulations, why not go all the way. well oks if they wanna keep these simulations and their quality, then restrict it to the ccna coz you would find a lot of newbies who are giving that exam these days. dont introduce the low quality stuff on ccnp coz professionals would just get bugged off it. sam sneed wrote: I tried the simulation and it makes you type out every single command. No abreviations and no ? allowed. Thats is retarded. If there going to make their simulation they should do it right, it is their software they're simulating. I'd like to see anyone doing any half decent config without using tab completion or ?. My thoughts are that its a great idea, and should be applied to the CCNP too, but the simulation should be as accurate as possible.If they're going to be half-assed about it don't do it at all. Andy Barkl wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The CCNA exam 640-507 has been replaced by 640-607 and now includes software simulation questions requiring you to configure a network. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/whats_new/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38116t=37960 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ospf and static routes [7:38107]
Use command redistribute static (metric) under the ospf process. It will be an E2 metric unless you add the metric-type1 to the command as well. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. NetEng wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If I have a static route to the outside world, how do I add that to OSPF? Do I have to create static routes on my ABR to get outside? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38108t=38107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired. But unless things have radically changed, this is, in part, a result of the process used to create them, and the fact that instructional design professionals are in charge. When I knew definitely how tests were written, what happened is that a completed (perhaps beta) course was sent to a generally non-technical instructional designer who was a specialist in writing test questions. The good news is that all the questions and answers came from the course materials; the bad news is that all the questions and answers came from the test materials. If the course was obsolete or wrong, the test writer wasn't qualified to recognize the problem and fix it, or realize that a question would be ambiguous to someone in the field. Now, don't get me wrong. Instructional design is a legitimate discipline and I use principles from it in developing lots of my material. But when instructional designers rise to the PHB level, and see themselves as managing what they sniff at as SME's -- Subject Matter Experts -- the process loses quality. Instructional designers and technical experts that respect each other and work together effectively are not from the world of Dilbert. It isn't easy to write good questions. We've found that's one of the toughest skills for CertificationZone writers, given that as well as asking a good set of choices, the question writer also needs to write a technically accurate and succinct explanation. -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38130t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
In other words, do everything and get paid nothing.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clayton Dukes Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] I think the humor is that they are posting a position for a Junior role, but requiring Senior skills... Clayton Dukes CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC === Free Cisco Training http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] Not sure what's so funny about it ? Looks fine to me. Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38082t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
Yeah, the sad part is eventually the job market will get saturated just like what happened to accountants, nurses, lawyers, etc. so the rat race goes on according to the thoery of survival of the fittest. - Original Message - From: Clayton Dukes To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] I think the humor is that they are posting a position for a Junior role, but requiring Senior skills... Clayton Dukes CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC === Free Cisco Training http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] Not sure what's so funny about it ? Looks fine to me. Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38090t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088]
Were you able to specify encapsulation ISL/DOT1Q on the router? You still need to be able to understand the trunked VLANS being received on 1 physical connection, using the same encapsulation as the switch. I think you need the PLUS/ENTERPRISE Feature set, hence more dram/flash. A valid configuration, puts ip addresses and specifies encapsulation per sub-if, and each each sub-if is assigned a vlan #. Joseph Brunner ASN 21572 MortgageIT MITLending New York, NY 10038 (212) 651 - 7695 Voice (212) 651 - 7795 Fax -Original Message- From: Kelly Cobean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088] You don't need the IP+ feature-set to route VLAN's. I just tried creating a sub-interface off of the FE on one of our 2621's running 12.1.5 IP, and it let me. That's the only requirement. Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of colin newman Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nter-Vlan routing [7:38088] Hi In order to do Inter-Vlan routing with a 2620, do I need IP Plus IOS? If the IOS does indeed need to be IP Plus, I will have to add more DRAM to the 2620. Currently the router has a 32M module of DRAM. Can I just add another module into the second slot - is it that easy? Any gotchas I should be aware of? Thanks Colin Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38103t=38088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching and STP [7:38137]
At 05:02 PM 3/13/02, PING wrote: I have follwoing questions: Q1: When all the ports are in BLOCKing mode at start on switch, how the initial broadcasts are then forwarded in a network so that switches can learn about each other via BPDUs? A bridge port transitions to listening after expiration of a short timer or receipt of a configuration BPDU on this port or another port. While in the listening state, the port is still not sending any user data or building the bridging table, but it is sending and receiving BPDUs in an effort to build the spanning tree. While in this state, the port may determine that it really isn't a Designated or Root Port and revert to the blocking state. Q2: When a switch breaks the collision domains, then what is the point of using Fragment Free method to avoid collisions? Fragment Free does not avoid collisions. It avoids the forwarding of runt (fragment) frames that result from collisions. A collision could occur on any shared LAN that is connected to a switch port. The result of a collision is usually a runt (fragment) frame. The senders notice the collision, stop transmitting, and back off for a random amount of time before resending. The result is a runt. Should a switch forward this runt? Fragment Free means no, it should not. It causes the switch to do a little extra processing and take a little extra time to make sure that it only forwards frames that are 64 bytes or more, that is, non-runts. /N Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38145t=38137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
FWIW, I know of plenty of people who made it to day two, and even into troubleshooting, and came away empty. I might agree with your point about technology, except that it should be pretty apparent that certain technologies that Cisco deems important ( and many of Cisco's large customers as well ) cannot be tested given the current equipment and images. Nor are certain important and forward looking technologies touched at all. Yes the test is hard. Yes IMHO the one day lab is more difficult than the two day lab because there are a number of things that used to be minor that now have a lot more points associated with them. But just because the test is hard doesn't necessarily mean it's relevant. Chuck Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT item please disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding and then address the issue with Cisco if there is agreement that there is an issue. As the content of the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the potential benefits are valued. = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's
Trunk or SPAN [7:38146]
What is the difference between a trunk port and a SPAN port? Am I wrong to think that both ports see all the packets? Packet analyzers are connected to SPAN ports. what if you connect them to a trunk port? Does this serve the purpose? A Strobel -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38146t=38146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
Cisco claims that the CCIE lab has recently been updated to include more relevant and real world topic than ever before. Also, I am saying all this as a 3rd party as I have never experienced the lab. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... FWIW, I know of plenty of people who made it to day two, and even into troubleshooting, and came away empty. I might agree with your point about technology, except that it should be pretty apparent that certain technologies that Cisco deems important ( and many of Cisco's large customers as well ) cannot be tested given the current equipment and images. Nor are certain important and forward looking technologies touched at all. Yes the test is hard. Yes IMHO the one day lab is more difficult than the two day lab because there are a number of things that used to be minor that now have a lot more points associated with them. But just because the test is hard doesn't necessarily mean it's relevant. Chuck Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT
RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003]
Heh, for only about $240,000 list you too can own a 1 port oc-192 POS card for a 124xx series GSR that will do not only PPP and HDLC over sonet, but also frame relay encapsulation... Seriously though, we aren't ready for 10Gig yet, but when the time comes I'm considering using 10 Gig E between our core routers instead. I'm not sure how serious I am about that, but the line cards will be less than half the cost. Anyone other SPs out there considering that? Mike I definitely know of service providers planning for it, although some of it may be wavelength switching rather than pure packet switching (see the Generalized MPLS work in the IETF). We definitely had OC-192 customers when I was at Nortel, and that OC-192 was being fed as multiple streams using DWDM. PPP and HDLC may be getting long in the tooth, as well as SONET, as IEEE starts to standardize the Spatial Reuse Protocol. A number of companies have OC-768 in development, but apparently going faster than that is going to require some major advances in solid state physics. On the other hand, they are getting more and more OC-192's multiplexed onto a fiber, and there are ultra-long-reach fiber systems that can run around 4000 kilometers between repeaters. -Original Message- From: Mike Mandulak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tue 3/12/2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] Out of curiosity, what hardware/protocol do you use for an OC-192? - Original Message - From: Mike Bernico To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] I work for a large ISP. As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a high speed ATM link. In the cisco carrier class ATM world oc-12 is as fast as you go. Unless of course you use the mgx 8850, the biggest piece of junk ever painted blue and stamped with a bridge. ATM is still a great way to do statistical multiplexing, a great revenue stream for carriers and popular among the connect all the sites in my enterprise together with DS3s crowd. ATM circuit emulation is darn handy for legacy video. It's days are numbered in larger networks. It's all but extinct in the OC-12 networks, but it's going to be around for a while for smaller networks. Mike --- Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] Illinois Century Network http://www.illinois.net (217) 557-6555 -Original Message- From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] quite possibly because the big telecom providers connect most of their pops/CO's with high speed atm links... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Ramsey Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VLoFR and atm popularity [7:38003] Cisco support vlan tagging over frame circuits? I was looking at a Tierra networks router and it was listed as one of it +'s. Does Cisco even support this? This kinda creeps up even further on the +'s of atm and how long atm is going to survive. Other than being capable of joining elans at oen fac. from another, can anyone even think of why atm still exists? With wdm and all the newer technology coming around the corner, why is atm still so saught after for long distance links? -Patrick -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38149t=38003 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP exams [7:38097]
I wouldn't say that the CCNA is a joke. Not at all! You would be surprised to know how many Network Experts that are out there with no certifications, and no real knowledge, even though they have been in the field for many years. They have convinced their employers that they know everything they need to know, and if something goes wrong, they can always blame it on Microsoft, or something else. The employers usually have no clue what's going on in the IT world, so it is very easy to play smart. If you have a small company with a single LAN and half a dusin WAN connections, a CCNA will give the Network Administrator a good concept of what he/she is messing with. I have seen people who have been responsible for network for many years who do not know what VLAN is, think it's called 100 Megabytes per Second, doesn't know the difference between half and full duplex or what the results on the network will be when changing it, etc. A CCNA will clarify all these things and make a data guy who was on his/her way to rust on the chair, start thinking again, and for many people (including myself), be the first step towards the CCNP cert I achived last year. Not all companies need a CCIE to help them with their network. If Joe, the owner of Joe's Icecream Bar, decided to open a second Icecream Bar in another city, and wanted a WAN connection installed, a CCNA would be an expert, and maybe even overkill, to help him with that. Anyway, I don't see the big deal on these new exams, as they are based on the exact same material, knowledge and certification version. The switch from the 400 series to the 500 series ment that you would go from CCNA/CCNP 1.0 to 2.0 - that is not the case here. They have simply changed all their questions out with new ones. My 0010 cents, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Ladrach, Daniel E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP exams [7:38097] The CCNA is a joke. If a employer is requiring a CCNA or CCNP I would hope that they would do a little research and understand what goes into getting these certifications. Also, you need the CCNA to get your CCNP so I don't see how the CCNA would be more attractive. I am not sure why Cisco has changed the CCNP track again, maybe too many people are passing the exams. However, I passed all the exams in just under 6 months and I thought that self study and the books were plenty to get throught the exams. Also, the 500 or 600 dollars you spend is for advancement and marketability in our industry. I feel the most qualified candidate for a job will have On The Job Experience along with an education and certifications. Remember this is your career. Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford
Re: EIGRP Metric and Route inconcistence [7:38043]
Thanks Tshon and Kent, My point is that, using EIGRP routing protocol, for the same two routes, (in the given case R1-R2-R4, and R1-R3-R4), they are seen as equal paths for traffic from R1 to R4, but are not seen as equal for the traffic from R1 to R5. This is a litle bit unusual to me. Using OSPF, this is not the case, I mean, if path R1-R2-R4 = R1 - R3-R4 then R1-R2-R4-R5 = R1-R3-R4-R5. Your (Tshon's) recomendation is a good option. By using only Delay as metric, EIGRP turns back to work similarly as OSPF as long as traffic engineering is concerned. But Cisco always insists that EIGRP is more outstanding than OSPF , that means there must be a better way to get around this problem. The one given by Kent is probably more common. He recommended to use variance for making the two routes R1-R2-R4-R5 and R1-R3-R4-R5 to look roughly equally from Router R1 point of view. Yet, variance is a local solution and it only applies to a specific router. I am writing a software that models EIGRP routing protocol. As a result, it is difficult for the software to look at too many details of the manual configuration (like setting variance for a specific network). My objective is to find a suitable set of Delays so that the network performs best (least congested). My sofware modeling OSPF works fine and it gives quite a good result. By the way, OSPF does not neccesarily have to use bandwidth as a metric. It use WEIGHTS as metric. By default, it is recommended by Cisco, Cost = 10^8 / Bandwidth. But we can change the default weights without having to change the Bandwidths! And by my experience , and it is also proved by some other articles that Cisco recomended weights are not optimal. We can find a suitable set of OSPF weights to make the network perform much better (less congested, less bottleneck...) Tshon wrote: I'm not sure I understand your entire question. But, I hope this helps... you have to many formulas. What the recommendation states is that if you are running other routing protocols like ospf who takes its decisions based on bandwidth statements then you shouldn't change them, because it will also affect ospf. But here think about this you could change the K values for Eigrp, to only look at delay. then adjust the delay for what you wish. Hans PHAM wrote: Hi, By default EIGRP uses 2 metric: Bandwidth and Delay to calculate routes. It is recomended that we should not change the Actual Bandwith, but we can change the interface delay for the traffic enginering purposes. The metric is : Min Bandwidth + Cumulative Delay. This can end up with a problem of route non-consiste1nce. Here is my counter example: R2 / \ /\ R1 R4-R5 \/ \ / R3 Link 1-2 : Bandwidth = 10M, delay = 10ms 2-4 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 5ms 1-3 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 15ms 3-4 : Bandwidth = 20M, delay = 5ms 4-5 : Bandwidth = 10M, delay = 10ms The traffic from R1 to a network directly connected to R4 will be load balance between routes R1-R2-R4 and R1-R3-R4. because the Metric of the two routes are the same: R1-R2-R4 = Bandwidth (i.e. 10^7 / 1) + Delay (i.e 1000 + 500) = = 1000 + 1000 + 500 = 2500 R1-R3-R4 = 500 + 1500 + 500 = 2500 However, traffic from R1 heading for R5 is not load-balanced because the Metric R1-R2-R4-R5 is 3500 while the metric R1-R3-R4-R5 = 4000 that means all traffic from R1 - R5 will go via R2 That's is a kind of inconcistence, which may lead to bottleneck, and cause difficulty for traffic engineering. Could you please tell me if I am wrong or right ? If I am right, how we can overcome this problem. Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38151t=38043 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trunk or SPAN [7:38146]
On a SPAN port the switch will copy the information passing through the other ports and output it to the SPAN port so that you can use a device like a packet analyzer for network management. A SPAN port is merely a window into the switch to look at traffic on several ports in several VLANs. A trunk port is a port that can be configured to be a part of several VLANs meaning it will be a part of the broadcast domain of several VLANs and the actual packets can pass through this port. The trunk port is a functional port that traffic from several different VLANs can use use actually get somewhere. Brian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What is the difference between a trunk port and a SPAN port? Am I wrong to think that both ports see all the packets? Packet analyzers are connected to SPAN ports. what if you connect them to a trunk port? Does this serve the purpose? A Strobel -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38152t=38146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
PHB level?? I'm curious what that means. ;-) I think the process at Cisco has degenerated even beyond what you describe. It's not just that instructional designers (IDs) rather than subject matter experts (SMEs) write the questions and answers. The new breed of IDs also seem to have limited experience with logic, rational thinking, and the English language. :-) In another thread we talked about junior CCIEs (code word for low-paid CCIEs). I think Cisco is hiring junior IDs maybe. Test-writing is very difficult. Sylvan Prometric actually offers classes in it. When I was involved in the now-defunct CNX program, we took classes in how to write tests before we were allowed to write any questions. There are some advantages for the test-taker if a test is written by an inexperienced test writer: 1) If an answer such as none of the above or all of the above occurs rarely, it's probably the right answer when it does occur. Newbies forget to ever make those the wrong answer. ;-) 2) The right answer is often the longest. Test writers spend more time writing the right answer. 3) The right answer is the one least likely to have a typo. Test writers do more checking and editing on the right answer. 4) Double negatives occur more often in the wrong answers. Test writers really struggle with the wrong answers and often have to make them wrong by making them negative, even though the question might have already been negative. 5) When in doubt, the right answer is probably C. ;-) Priscilla At 05:02 PM 3/13/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired. But unless things have radically changed, this is, in part, a result of the process used to create them, and the fact that instructional design professionals are in charge. When I knew definitely how tests were written, what happened is that a completed (perhaps beta) course was sent to a generally non-technical instructional designer who was a specialist in writing test questions. The good news is that all the questions and answers came from the course materials; the bad news is that all the questions and answers came from the test materials. If the course was obsolete or wrong, the test writer wasn't qualified to recognize the problem and fix it, or realize that a question would be ambiguous to someone in the field. Now, don't get me wrong. Instructional design is a legitimate discipline and I use principles from it in developing lots of my material. But when instructional designers rise to the PHB level, and see themselves as managing what they sniff at as SME's -- Subject Matter Experts -- the process loses quality. Instructional designers and technical experts that respect each other and work together effectively are not from the world of Dilbert. It isn't easy to write good questions. We've found that's one of the toughest skills for CertificationZone writers, given that as well as asking a good set of choices, the question writer also needs to write a technically accurate and succinct explanation. -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38154t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
Hi Howard, I'm glad to see gettlabs.com is up and running -- I will definitely peruse it tonight. Preface: I used to teach technology courses at a 4 yr college. The courses more or less coincided with certifications. Why get certified? For some with no experience, it's their introduction to the technology. For those with experience it can be a baseline determining where they stand. One thing I always told my students: Don't cheat yourself. Don't study for the test. Study to master the subject. Testing and certification are merely mile markers if you do it this way. I've seen many posts recently on the new test format, the quality of the tests, and whether the certs really even matter. One can only write so much into a test question, and some only learn enough just to answer that question That's why the CCIE lab is still where the rubber hits the road. The quality of the tests are fine. The ideal situation is for the questions to improve as feedback is provided by the test takers, and the questions are evolved by the test creators. My .02 cents worth. (not an argument - just another view) John Allhiser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OopsRe: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired. But unless things have radically changed, this is, in part, a result of the process used to create them, and the fact that instructional design professionals are in charge. When I knew definitely how tests were written, what happened is that a completed (perhaps beta) course was sent to a generally non-technical instructional designer who was a specialist in writing test questions. The good news is that all the questions and answers came from the course materials; the bad news is that all the questions and answers came from the test materials. If the course was obsolete or wrong, the test writer wasn't qualified to recognize the problem and fix it, or realize that a question would be ambiguous to someone in the field. Now, don't get me wrong. Instructional design is a legitimate discipline and I use principles from it in developing lots of my material. But when instructional designers rise to the PHB level, and see themselves as managing what they sniff at as SME's -- Subject Matter Experts -- the process loses quality. Instructional designers and technical experts that respect each other and work together effectively are not from the world of Dilbert. It isn't easy to write good questions. We've found that's one of the toughest skills for CertificationZone writers, given that as well as asking a good set of choices, the question writer also needs to write a technically accurate and succinct explanation. -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38153t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching and STP [7:38137]
PING wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have follwoing questions: Q1: When all the ports are in BLOCKing mode at start on switch, how the initial broadcasts are then forwarded in a network so that switches can learn about each other via BPDUs? It is blocking data traffic not protocol updates (BDPUs) Q2: When a switch breaks the collision domains, then what is the point of using Fragment Free method to avoid collisions? Fragment Free tries it's best. Collisions can still occur. The difference between the mothods is the amount of the packet that is read before it is forwarded. If you want to have the best chance of never having a collision use Store and Forward. /N Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38155t=38137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-windows on PIX!! Urgent [7:38093]
Try allowing TCP port 6000. Brian Ivan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, I want to allow the user to access the X-Windows service from inside to outside. Does anyone know why to allow the client access the X-windows from inside to ouside on PIX firewall? Please help, Thank you very much. Ivan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38156t=38093 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE lab time in Los Angeles [7:38052]
I'm not really selling anything yet. But your point is well taken and although I would argue that having hands-on labtime is more valuable than just virtual lab time where you pay them an extra $10 to cable things up, I understand that other sites come highly recommended. Those educational facilities linked of of Cisco's website sell labtime for $250 for 8 hours. I suppose I wouldn't have a lab with all that equipment, so a target of $125 for 8 hours of rack time sounds more reasonable. I'm sorry if being asked by my company to set something up and recoup costs sounds draconian to you, but I can assure you it happens elsewhere in life, :). Thanks for everyone's input. -Leo Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38158t=38052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching and STP [7:38137]
At 06:05 PM 3/13/02, Brian Lodwick wrote: PING wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have follwoing questions: Q1: When all the ports are in BLOCKing mode at start on switch, how the initial broadcasts are then forwarded in a network so that switches can learn about each other via BPDUs? It is blocking data traffic not protocol updates (BDPUs) A blocked port also doesn't send BPDUs. But it does hear and process them. Also, during startup, a port transitions out of blocking into listening relatively quickly. In the listening state, it does send BPDUs. Q2: When a switch breaks the collision domains, then what is the point of using Fragment Free method to avoid collisions? Fragment Free tries its best. Collisions can still occur. The difference between the mothods is the amount of the packet that is read before it is forwarded. True. Cut-through starts forwarding ASAP. Fragment Free waits until at least 64 bytes are received. Store and Forward waits for the entire frame. If you want to have the best chance of never having a collision use Store and Forward. Not true. The forwarding method doesn't affect the chances of having a collision. Fragment Free simply means don't forward a fragment (which usually was the result of a collision that already occured). /N Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38159t=38137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trunk or SPAN [7:38146]
Everything Brian said is correct. The practical difference is the vlan tagging. Frames are tagged on a trunk based on what vlan they belong on. Frames are not tagged on a SPAN port because it is not intended to be split back into vlans. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38160t=38146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
In other words, do everything and get paid nothing -Think we will see for a while and people will take them up on it to maintain skills, then the market will work itself out... Vat Da Ya Tink? -Kevin --- Larry Letterman wrote: In other words, do everything and get paid nothing.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clayton Dukes Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] I think the humor is that they are posting a position for a Junior role, but requiring Senior skills... Clayton Dukes CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC === Free Cisco Training http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] Not sure what's so funny about it ? Looks fine to me. Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ! |||/ c(@@) ooO_(_)_Ooo___ Kevin St.Amour FAX Voice Mail:(253)541-9652 __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38157t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
question about stateful inspection [7:38163]
another one: firewall provides filtering at the packet, circuit, and application layer packet level would be filtering based on Source, Destination IP address. Application layer filtering would be specific to the application like ftp or smtp where filter rules would examine deeper into the packets right into data part for things like get/put for FTP filtering. what would be circuit level filtering ? --- Kent Hundley wrote: As far as I can tell, it means essentially nothing. All SPI is by definition, multi layer since it tracks at least both layer 3 and layer 4. It looks like a term added to SPI to make it sound like its looking at more layers. It's probably a term cooked up by the marketing departments of SPI firewall vendors. You see things like this a lot, especially in the security product arena. Companies invent terms to make their technology sound new or unique when they are neither. Regards, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Green Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: question about stateful inspection [7:36817] what is multilayer stateful inspection ? stateful inspection is understood fine. but what does the prefix multilayer denote or mean ? state refers to the state of a session information that is temporarily kept in a state table for open connections and is wiped or erased when the session ends. BUT what does multilayer mean here ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38163t=38163 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
PHB level?? I'm curious what that means. ;-) Actually, now that I think of it, there are two meanings of relevance: Dilbertian: Pointy-Haired Boss Traffic Engineering: Per-Hop Behavior I think the process at Cisco has degenerated even beyond what you describe. It's not just that instructional designers (IDs) rather than subject matter experts (SMEs) write the questions and answers. The new breed of IDs also seem to have limited experience with logic, rational thinking, and the English language. :-) Ah. The question is: did their parents raise them according to the doctrine of Doctor Spock or Mister Spock? Test-writing is very difficult. Sylvan Prometric actually offers classes in it. When I was involved in the now-defunct CNX program, we took classes in how to write tests before we were allowed to write any questions. There are some advantages for the test-taker if a test is written by an inexperienced test writer: 1) If an answer such as none of the above or all of the above occurs rarely, it's probably the right answer when it does occur. Newbies forget to ever make those the wrong answer. ;-) 2) The right answer is often the longest. Test writers spend more time writing the right answer. If the tests were in the IETF, it might be the opposite. People like Bill Simpson and Tony Li love yes or no, although Bill is apt to go on into an incredibly baroque flame. 3) The right answer is the one least likely to have a typo. Test writers do more checking and editing on the right answer. 4) Double negatives occur more often in the wrong answers. Test writers really struggle with the wrong answers and often have to make them wrong by making them negative, even though the question might have already been negative. 5) When in doubt, the right answer is probably C. ;-) I wonder how much that varies by the writer? I have noticed a tendency, when I write questions, to tend to make B the correct answer and make a conscious effort to avoid it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38164t=38063 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
Let the company that has never done this cast the first denigrating remark ;- Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In other words, do everything and get paid nothing.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clayton Dukes Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] I think the humor is that they are posting a position for a Junior role, but requiring Senior skills... Clayton Dukes CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC === Free Cisco Training http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] Not sure what's so funny about it ? Looks fine to me. Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38161t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
I agree, the market will go thru the supply and demand cycle. Once the supply of the CCNA/CCNP/CCIE factories stops because the money is not there, it may shake itself out... Altho the high salaries of the last 2 years in our industry may not show up for a good while. Luckily I got a job I like before the ruckus started.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kevin St. Amour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:15 PM To: Larry Letterman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] In other words, do everything and get paid nothing -Think we will see for a while and people will take them up on it to maintain skills, then the market will work itself out... Vat Da Ya Tink? -Kevin --- Larry Letterman wrote: In other words, do everything and get paid nothing.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clayton Dukes Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] I think the humor is that they are posting a position for a Junior role, but requiring Senior skills... Clayton Dukes CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC === Free Cisco Training http://www.gdd.net - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034] Not sure what's so funny about it ? Looks fine to me. Ken Diliberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ! |||/ c(@@) ooO_(_)_Ooo___ Kevin St.Amour FAX Voice Mail:(253)541-9652 __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38162t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
question about switching [7:38165]
Routers use Layer 3 switching to route a packet, and Layer 2 switches use Layer 2 switching to forward frames. above is from the cisco web site. Layer 2 switches use layer2 (ie datalink) for forwarding frames. fine. but for Routers also it says that it uses layer3 for routing, although it is forwarding packets between interfaces in a router. right ? (based on packet forwarding decision taken according to the routing table constructed) just wanted to confirm... __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38165t=38165 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about stateful inspection [7:38163]
At 7:00 PM -0500 3/13/02, John Green wrote: another one: firewall provides filtering at the packet, circuit, and application layer packet level would be filtering based on Source, Destination IP address. Application layer filtering would be specific to the application like ftp or smtp where filter rules would examine deeper into the packets right into data part for things like get/put for FTP filtering. what would be circuit level filtering ? TCP, or the imposition of a pseudo-circuit on UDP flows. SSL, etc., sometimes are considered at this level, and an argument could be made for IPsec when the firewall is trusted. --- Kent Hundley wrote: As far as I can tell, it means essentially nothing. All SPI is by definition, multi layer since it tracks at least both layer 3 and layer 4. Agreed. For that matter, people forget that almost all NAT is at least layer 3-4 because it has to recalculate the TCP and UDP checksums, since they are based in part on the IP header. It looks like a term added to SPI to make it sound like its looking at more layers. It's probably a term cooked up by the marketing departments of SPI firewall vendors. You see things like this a lot, especially in the security product arena. Companies invent terms to make their technology sound new or unique when they are neither. Regards, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Green Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: question about stateful inspection [7:36817] what is multilayer stateful inspection ? stateful inspection is understood fine. but what does the prefix multilayer denote or mean ? state refers to the state of a session information that is temporarily kept in a state table for open connections and is wiped or erased when the session ends. BUT what does multilayer mean here ? -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38166t=38163 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Oops....Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
Oh goodie, another gripe about Cisco exams thread! I'll wade in on this one ;-) I have only done one Cisco exam recently - BSCI at networkers last week. Since it was a freebie, I wasn't taking it too seriously. The exam topics were as per the exam outline - OSPF, EIGRP, IS-IS, BGP, and some general routing stuff (VLSM, redistribution, blah blah - this is straight out of the exam outline so I don't consider I'm breaking NDA). Now, I work with OSPF all the time, so I was reasonably confident there (although there are certainly features of OSPF that I've never had cause to use so don't know well), and ditto the general routing stuff. EIGRP I studied for the ACRC exam two years ago, and have never actually used (and I didn't get around to revising my notes). IS-IS? I read half of the chapter in Doyle, ran out of time, and skimmed the rest. BGP? I'm maybe a third of the way through Halabi, and hadn't picked it up for the six weeks before the exam (holidays were wonderful, thanks ;-). Did I expect to pass? Heck no. With no practical experience of 60% of the main exam topics, and barely any study, I don't think I should have been able to pass. But I did. Not with a great score, but comfortably. The majority of the questions were at a level of very basic understanding. Several, while not exact repeat questions, tested the same knowledge. Interestingly enough, I was speaking to a local Cisco SE about it, and he admitted that several other people had said the same thing to him at Networkers - they had gone to an intro to technology xyz session, sat the xyz exam, and passed. At risk of being labelled an old curmudgeon who hankers for the good old days, I studied extensively for the ACRC exam, had practical experience of more of the exam topics, and got a massive two points more on my ACRC exam than I did on my BSCI. OK, I have two years more experience now (but not in most of the BSCI topics), and more accumulated groupstudy reading time (some of it's probably sunk in subconciously), but I still reckon the ACRC was a lot harder. I'm glad I passed my ACRC two years ago - I'm not so glad I passed BSCI. I would like the Cisco exams to demonstrate that somebody who passes the exam has a good knowledge of the details of the subject matter, not just an understanding of basic concepts (although that's important too), and I don't think I have a good knowledge of all of the BSCI subject matter. JMcL Oh, Priscilla... PHB = Pointy Haired Boss, from Dilbert. - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 14/03/2002 11:41 am - John Allhiser Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/03/2002 10:04 am Please respond to John Allhiser To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: OopsRe: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] Hi Howard, I'm glad to see gettlabs.com is up and running -- I will definitely peruse it tonight. Preface: I used to teach technology courses at a 4 yr college. The courses more or less coincided with certifications. Why get certified? For some with no experience, it's their introduction to the technology. For those with experience it can be a baseline determining where they stand. One thing I always told my students: Don't cheat yourself. Don't study for the test. Study to master the subject. Testing and certification are merely mile markers if you do it this way. I've seen many posts recently on the new test format, the quality of the tests, and whether the certs really even matter. One can only write so much into a test question, and some only learn enough just to answer that question That's why the CCIE lab is still where the rubber hits the road. The quality of the tests are fine. The ideal situation is for the questions to improve as feedback is provided by the test takers, and the questions are evolved by the test creators. My .02 cents worth. (not an argument - just another view) John Allhiser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OopsRe: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] I'll admit the quality of Cisco tests (other than perhaps the CCIE Written) leaves a good deal to be desired. But unless things have radically changed, this is, in part, a result of the process used to create them, and the fact that instructional design professionals are in charge. When I knew definitely how tests were written, what happened is that a completed (perhaps beta) course was sent to a generally non-technical instructional designer who was a specialist in writing test questions. The good news is that all the questions and answers came from the course materials; the bad news is that all the questions and answers came from the test materials. If the course was obsolete or wrong, the test writer wasn't qualified to recognize the problem and fix it, or realize
RE: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
From my own experience I would agree that the troubleshooting section was a waste of time. There were 14 people who started the lab with me. Only 6 were left for the morning of day 2 and only 3 for troubleshooting. The lab proctor could see the tension amongst us and said Don't worry. Only people who are on the bubble fail the test at this point. It's really really easy. Needless to say we all made it. I would definitely agree with the proctor. A CCIE candidate who has made it that far should be able to track down some unplugged cables and perform the level of troubleshooting demanded by the exam. Complete waste of time but lucky for me it was easy credit... Cheers, -Michael Cohen, CCIE #6080 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an OT item please disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding and then address the issue with Cisco if there is agreement that there is an issue. As the content of the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the potential benefits are valued. = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!?
Re: Switching and STP [7:38137]
PING wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have follwoing questions: Q1: When all the ports are in BLOCKing mode at start on switch, how the initial broadcasts are then forwarded in a network so that switches can learn about each other via BPDUs?\ Brian Lodwick answered, It is blocking data traffic not protocol updates (BDPUs) Q2: When a switch breaks the collision domains, then what is the point of using Fragment Free method to avoid collisions? Fragment Free tries it's best. Collisions can still occur. The difference between the mothods is the amount of the packet that is read before it is forwarded. If you want to have the best chance of never having a collision use Store and Forward. /N Excellent example, Brian. Mixing up data and control flow is one of the best ways to get confused. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38169t=38137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jr. CCIE Ad on Dice [7:38034]
Ken Diliberto wrote: This is good for a laugh. They are looking for a junior CCIE. http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxapga.35951.html I've dealt with these folks before.. bad news for all concerned. They do not screen the clients well or match the candiates well at all. In one case they called me in at the last moment for an interview and I found the clients were looking for Netware experience and could have cared less about the Cisco and networking experience. They looked at me like I was the crazy one for being there. If you are breathing and upright, you will be thrown into the interview without regard to how well of a match it is. Also, some of the clients are pretty pissed by the time you see them from the hardball tactics they use so you are really wasting your time. Overall, not a lot of fun MikeS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38170t=38034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question about switching [7:38165]
I am not sure if I understood the question completely but I think you are trying to distinguish the L3 switching and Routing? Routing and Switching are two different functions taking place within router. Routing takes place before switching can occur. So, router first has to determine where this packet needs to go, and which interface is headed towards that network, and that is routing. Only after that, it will actually move the packet to that exit interface and that is switching. Nadeem == John Green wrote: Routers use Layer 3 switching to route a packet, and Layer 2 switches use Layer 2 switching to forward frames. above is from the cisco web site. Layer 2 switches use layer2 (ie datalink) for forwarding frames. fine. but for Routers also it says that it uses layer3 for routing, although it is forwarding packets between interfaces in a router. right ? (based on packet forwarding decision taken according to the routing table constructed) just wanted to confirm... __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38171t=38165 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
Yea , one message takes up so much bandwidth. -Original Message- From: Mphekeleli Dhlamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057] I don't usually reply or ask on these groupstudy,but I think these is not acceptable under any circumstances.If people can just have manners and morals when involving like the discussion boards.I just can't what people will say if I post in my Zulu language knowing for a fact that these won't make sense to most if not all the people who are going to receive these.Waste of bandwidth.. Can you please go and start your own Chinese/Korean or whatever group where they'll understand these rubbish you have written here please. I'm not expecting any replies from the author of these s@$t! People must keep focus sometimes.Forget your democratic country and behave like a responsible human being. Pc9101 2002-03-13 05:24:42 Hi all +ACE- O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi xin tu gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco. Va dang hoc thi BCRAN. Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh. Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38172t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
another FWIW I made it to the second day my first try but was not allowed to troubleshoot as I hadn't enough points. As far as hard, it seems that the passing rate is still quite low, it was arounf 15% in 96 when I took it and I think it is still hovering around there today. Dave Chuck wrote: FWIW, I know of plenty of people who made it to day two, and even into troubleshooting, and came away empty. I might agree with your point about technology, except that it should be pretty apparent that certain technologies that Cisco deems important ( and many of Cisco's large customers as well ) cannot be tested given the current equipment and images. Nor are certain important and forward looking technologies touched at all. Yes the test is hard. Yes IMHO the one day lab is more difficult than the two day lab because there are a number of things that used to be minor that now have a lot more points associated with them. But just because the test is hard doesn't necessarily mean it's relevant. Chuck Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If this is considered an
Re: question about switching [7:38165]
yes that is exactly what i wanted to clear up, as in a router. ie routing is just a decision, and the physical moving of the packet between the interfaces (based on the above decision) is called as switching. right ? and in a switch the moving of frames between appropriate ports (based on MAC addresses) is called as switching. right ? hope i got it all correct !! --- PING wrote: I am not sure if I understood the question completely but I think you are trying to distinguish the L3 switching and Routing? Routing and Switching are two different functions taking place within router. Routing takes place before switching can occur. So, router first has to determine where this packet needs to go, and which interface is headed towards that network, and that is routing. Only after that, it will actually move the packet to that exit interface and that is switching. Nadeem == John Green wrote: Routers use Layer 3 switching to route a packet, and Layer 2 switches use Layer 2 switching to forward frames. above is from the cisco web site. Layer 2 switches use layer2 (ie datalink) for forwarding frames. fine. but for Routers also it says that it uses layer3 for routing, although it is forwarding packets between interfaces in a router. right ? (based on packet forwarding decision taken according to the routing table constructed) just wanted to confirm... __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38174t=38165 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
about cisco-products-mib [7:38175]
Hello,cisco#! How to get the type name of cisco router(e.g. cisco 12008) by the sysObjID (.e.g. .1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.273) using function's in SNMP.pm or other methods? Thanks V\J@| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38175t=38175 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063]
Yes I would agree that if you made it to troubleshooting there wasn't much to worry about. Even though my whole network was hosed the design and configs were s burned into my mind at that point I didn't have much trouble putting er back together. Dave Michael Cohen wrote: From my own experience I would agree that the troubleshooting section was a waste of time. There were 14 people who started the lab with me. Only 6 were left for the morning of day 2 and only 3 for troubleshooting. The lab proctor could see the tension amongst us and said Don't worry. Only people who are on the bubble fail the test at this point. It's really really easy. Needless to say we all made it. I would definitely agree with the proctor. A CCIE candidate who has made it that far should be able to track down some unplugged cables and perform the level of troubleshooting demanded by the exam. Complete waste of time but lucky for me it was easy credit... Cheers, -Michael Cohen, CCIE #6080 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second day failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. Troubleshooting and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. Dosen't matter what equipment it runs on. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router for serial connections (it was a switch that does not have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no reasonable way to answer them without having previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. My observation is that this is bad for us as certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests and represent to our employers that they represent a certain level of professionalism, I think I have a real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am concerned about this for non-native English speakers taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is not the first test (production or beta) that I have noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. Please share your thoughts. BTW - If
Re: CCNP exams [7:38097]
CCNP is not easy to get. Someone that is CCNP certiffied is one that knows a great deal about networking. I do not know about you but I do not think I'll ever pass the CCNP exams without buying a few routers and switches. In which case $500 that you are bragging about is small change. But, if you make at least $65k/year I do not think $1000/3years (books and exams) is a big deal. It takes money to make money! Adrian Brian Zeitz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford these ongoing cost, and the ongoing cost are not exactly justified. I thought the exams for the CCNP did test my knowledge of the subject fairly. My plan for right now is to learn all the material I would need to be a CCNP, but not take the rest of the exams. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. -Original Message- From: Yahoudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if they buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around who can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux to Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, and one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, then sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too hard, requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative effects as well. One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of the bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. But you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have to be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much better with the remainder. Does that make sense? Robert Padjen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Greetings all - I have a discussion point that I am curious to get feedback on from the group. I recently took another Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the questions. For example, at least four questions regarded products that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some time ago. Other questions included choices that don't exist - at
Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
At first I thought a virus or something messed up my PC but oh well I would appreciate that the medium of this board is English for the following reasons 1. ALL THE CISCO EXAMS ARE IN ENGLISH. Sorry there was only one reason, I guess :) Chris Tucker wrote: :-D I am ccnp ccdap Co thue nguoi khong? Pc9101 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all +ACE- O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi xin tu gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco. Va dang hoc thi BCRAN. Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh. Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38178t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: question about stateful inspection [7:36817]
A TCP session is often called a virtual circuit. A virtual circuit is identified by the source and destination IP addresses and also the source and destination TCP ports. Maybe that's what they are referring to. Filtering on those would be a good way to isolate a single session. (Although be careful with FTP which opens two virtual circuits, one for data and one for control.) Priscilla At 05:02 PM 3/13/02, John Green wrote: another one: firewall provides filtering at the packet, circuit, and application layer packet level would be filtering based on Source, Destination IP address. Application layer filtering would be specific to the application like ftp or smtp where filter rules would examine deeper into the packets right into data part for things like get/put for FTP filtering. what would be circuit level filtering ? --- Kent Hundley wrote: As far as I can tell, it means essentially nothing. All SPI is by definition, multi layer since it tracks at least both layer 3 and layer 4. It looks like a term added to SPI to make it sound like its looking at more layers. It's probably a term cooked up by the marketing departments of SPI firewall vendors. You see things like this a lot, especially in the security product arena. Companies invent terms to make their technology sound new or unique when they are neither. Regards, Kent -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Green Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: question about stateful inspection [7:36817] what is multilayer stateful inspection ? stateful inspection is understood fine. but what does the prefix multilayer denote or mean ? state refers to the state of a session information that is temporarily kept in a state table for open connections and is wiped or erased when the session ends. BUT what does multilayer mean here ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38179t=36817 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test [7:38181]
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Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
At first I thought a virus or something messed up my PC but oh well I would appreciate that the medium of this board is English for the following reasons 1. ALL THE CISCO EXAMS ARE IN ENGLISH. That may or may not be true. I know I've seen answer sheets in other languages while working in Cisco facilities. Not sure about the tests themselves, but I saw at least German, Japanese,and French. -- What Problem are you trying to solve? ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com retired Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38182t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE lab time in Los Angeles [7:38052]
I think your price is right. I'd be willing to pay $220 for an 8 hours slot. Unfortunately I live in NY. I totally disagree with the Ebay suggestion from the other fellow. 2500 routers are not the biggest problem when setting up a CCIE lab. You need ISDN emulators, 5500 switches, 3900 switches etc.. And these are a lot more than $200! Adrian Seto Leo wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm trying to convince my company to set up a lab suitable for studying for the CCIE lab here in Los Angeles, CA. I want to gauge the interest in practice lab time. If I set up a lab with the required equipment, who would be interested in buying time slots of lab time? We would offer it for $220 for 8 hour time slots and allow people to come in and meet myself and other people studying for the lab. We could also talk about our experiences with various lab preparation books or courses. Are there interested parties out there? Send me an email if so, Leo Seto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38180t=38052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057]
Bzzzt... wrong... many of the exams are also available in Japanese. Judging by the subject line, it was a reasonable topic to ask in Vietnamese. Not that I have a clue what was actually discussed, other than a guess that somebody based in Hanoi wants to set up a study group for the CCNP. If somebody wants to set up a study group in Vietnam, why not ask the question in Vietnamese?? The subject line provided enough information to us English speakers. You can always use your delete key if you're not interested in joining their study group. JMcL - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 14/03/2002 01:57 pm - QOSMAN Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/03/2002 01:03 pm Please respond to QOSMAN To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Vietnamese CCNP group [7:38057] At first I thought a virus or something messed up my PC but oh well I would appreciate that the medium of this board is English for the following reasons 1. ALL THE CISCO EXAMS ARE IN ENGLISH. Sorry there was only one reason, I guess :) Chris Tucker wrote: :-D I am ccnp ccdap Co thue nguoi khong? Pc9101 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all +ACE- O day co ai dang o Ha NOi - Viet Nam , minh setup CCNP group di . Toi xin tu gioi thieu dang lam cho mot cong ty dinh dang den thiet bi cua Cisco. Va dang hoc thi BCRAN. Chung ta co the trao doi, bat ke trinh do, chi can su nhiet tinh. Hy vong co phan hoi cua cac ban Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38183t=38057 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wanted - Lab Study Partner [7:38184]
Looking for 1 to 3 people to study for the lab with locally or remotely. Open to different ideas for this to happen. Have access to a couple dozen pieces of equipment (internet enabled) - router/pix/switch/ids - yada yada yada... ME - Not looking to sell or giveaway rack time. YOU - some equipment (hopefully with internet connectivity) ME - Located in the San Francisco Bay Area. YOU - Already have a lab date within the next four months. ME - looking to gain motivation and focus. YOU - same. Open to - R/S now; Security later perhaps. Dead set on passing the lab mindset need only respond please!!! When responding please let me know where you stand on your studies, lab date, city location, etc. etc... Contact me off the list. Thanks... ps - I'm hidden behind this stupid yahoo account because I'm allergic to spam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38184t=38184 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP exams [7:38097]
But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. The difference is the fact that your knowledge can be verified by Cisco Systems. If I'm hiring someone to maintain a network, I'd rather have someone that is certified by a trusted third party, than someone who just padded his resume. You can tell me all day that your a rocket scientist but if I'm hiring you, you better have the credentials to back it up. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. To which I would reply, Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! John Faubion, CCNP, ATME Motor racing, mountain climbing and bull fighting are the only true sports. All the rest are merely children's games played by adults. - Earnest Hemingway Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38186t=38097 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOHO vpn making satellite connection VERY VERY [7:38080]
in answer to a couple of people who mailed me off line - ak = aknowledgement, for those of us who can't spell. I should have used the term ack The point I was trying to get to is that perhaps the timeout values were too small, and the latency of the satellite link sometimes crossed that threshold, thus screwing up the tunnel, and triggering renegotiation, which in turn adversely effected throughput. I don't think the guy who posted the original question ever did answer as to how he determined his throughput - using ping or file transfer. as for the relevance of MTU, I've run across this in my testing. In particular, a VPN used to tunnel IPX. I discovered that packet sizes of 1500 failed, whereas packet sizes of 1492 worked just fine. I don't recall where the cutoff was. It may even have been 1498. So yes MTU can be an issue. Yahoudi wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... after some recent bad experiences with VPN across DSL, I began to wonder about MTU sizes and their effect, particularly when coupled with off the wall links or protocols. OTOH, it could be that your VPN boxes don't like the latency across the sat links. maybe you have your ak timeouts set too low, and the boxes are spending all their time renegotiating links rather than sending data? BTW, how are you measuring speeds? Ping tests? File transfers? Jerry Deer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... To make our vpn connection work the satellite/isp provider had to open certain ports to make our vpn connections work in the first place . does anyone have any ideas as to what they may have blocked or not configured correctly to make the connection so unbearable slow? I know our watchgaurd sohos will bring connection speed down some but we have 128k vpns that are running a lot faster then this satellite connection and as i mentioned before the satellite connection shows connections speeds of avg 700k before adding the vpn units. Thanks for ANY help, Jerry Hello All , I am having problems running over a fast satellite connection. I do a speed test from the pc hooked to the satellite equipment and the actual satellite connection is getting average 700k BUT as soon as a slap on the ol watchgaurd vpn solution it and hook a computer to that the speed drops to below a 56k I know this is not a cisco problem but watchgaurd support is very lacking in my humble opinion and was hoping someone may have had simular experience and could point me in right direction. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38185t=38080 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP exams [7:38097]
Recertification is just that to see you have kept up the knowledge that you have earned. The CCNP track still gives you the basics but make you aware of quite a few options to tune implement and troubleshoot your network. As you have attained the various certs your worth to the company has increased, you production will increase. You can now easily identify problems in less time, and make recommendations. Your confidence increased also, making you a little more confident in taking harder problems. As for your negotiating skills that is on you. Most companies don't really know what they need, but as certified people inter their company they adjust their salaries. You might run into a company early on that has no clue and with a CCNA get $80,000 move to another company with that be bold and quite, you won't get that later. You'll probably be placed in a position where the salary range is from 60-80k for a CCNA, CCNP, trust me you'll be at the bottom of that pay scale. If you can get your CCNP the first time, you should be able to get it the second time. Don't panic Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: The CCNA is a joke. If a employer is requiring a CCNA or CCNP I would hope that they would do a little research and understand what goes into getting these certifications. Also, you need the CCNA to get your CCNP so I don't see how the CCNA would be more attractive. I am not sure why Cisco has changed the CCNP track again, maybe too many people are passing the exams. However, I passed all the exams in just under 6 months and I thought that self study and the books were plenty to get throught the exams. Also, the 500 or 600 dollars you spend is for advancement and marketability in our industry. I feel the most qualified candidate for a job will have On The Job Experience along with an education and certifications. Remember this is your career. Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP exams [7:38097] My comment is with the CCNP exams. When I started it was the 500 series, which was not long ago, now its changing to the 600 series. For some people it takes a while to pass a CCNP exam, so I have not had enough time to get a lot done in the 500 series, let alone switch to 600. I know the 600 is not out yet, but still. Also here is a question, why would someone want to take the last exam in the CCNP series, because when you take the last exam, your 2 year timer starts ticking. Where is the motivation there? I think I am just going to work on the course material, and not take the rest of the exams, $125 a pop is a lot, and you're right there are so many exams. So for CCNP it would cost me $500. Then if I wanted to do the security, another 400-500$, that saying if I passed everything on the 1st go. Then the books and courseware. Then re-certification, this is an expensive proposition. And I don't see a significant salary increase for CCNP certification. Like a regular experienced Network engineer with MCSE/CCNA makes say like 60-85K. Well that is the same range as a CCNP would make. I donno, the way some of these help wanted ads are written, you would think that CCNA is better then CCNP. I always see like CCNA highly desired. I am already scheduled for 503, so there is nothing I can do about that. But I ask myself this question. What is the difference between me going to a testing center, paying 125$ for each of these exams vs. me going in my bedroom, sitting down with a Boston or transcender to test my knowledge. I think I might do just that. Besides, everyone says it is more important to know the material, and then have some paper. I am not knocking the CCNP, it's a great program. But right now I can afford these ongoing cost, and the ongoing cost are not exactly justified. I thought the exams for the CCNP did test my knowledge of the subject fairly. My plan for right now is to learn all the material I would need to be a CCNP, but not take the rest of the exams. If an employer request I have my CCNP, Ill just say gimme $500 and Ill go do that. -Original Message- From: Yahoudi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the certification craze? 1) cert tests for everything under the sun 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around marketing materials 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the excuse of those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old and new. The question becomes this:
