Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Fair enough. Thanks for elegantly depicting the real-world factors involved. I'll always bear a conceptual blind spot concerning individuals in that category, but I felt compelled to point out that the popular generalization, as usual, has issues where accuracy is concerned. I would never expect the business world to be fair, or expect HR professionals who don't specialize in IT (and, unfortunately, some who do) to accurately interpret the candidate-specific data they are confronted with. Since I'm constantly fighting the practice of jumping to ANY conclusion (and thereby revealing weaknesses that plague the conclusion-jumper's decision-making processes), I really can't pass up opportunities to clarify situations which are publically discussed such as the one we're addressing. - Original Message - From: "sakky" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""Kevin Cullimore"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > A fair amount of people who focused their academic pursuits on "natural > > sciences"/mathematics work in the private sector. Some of them have jobs > > which apply concepts & concrete knowledge that was part of their > curriculum. > > Some of them pusued a masters because they could actually learn something > > about their field of interest (which can be profoundly hard to do within > > undergrad programs) or it helped advance their pursuit of compensation or > > responsibility. Some really competent Masters students opted to not pursue > > PhDs because of the prospects of divorce and minimal returns based on > their > > current job status. If they can't pass the quals, I'm not sure the > > conferring of the Masters is in order. Conversely, there are PLENTY of > good > > reasons to NOT let someone in a PhD. program even if they CAN or DO pass > > their quals. > > On the other hand, many of those master's degrees guys really were guys who > couldn't pass their quals. So whether you had a legitimate reason for > getting a master's degree or not doesn't really matter in terms of getting a > job or for professional prestige or whatever - you will be deemed 'guilty > by association' by being lumped together with a bunch of, shall we say, > rejects. > > Is that unfair? Yeah, it is. But that's life. Surely you realize that HR > and other hiring directors often make decisions based on what's on a piece > of paper, and you therefore have no chance to explain the details of your > situation to them. The fact is, you are judged by the people you associate > with. If you associate with a bunch of thugs and criminals, you shouldn't > be surprised when people think you are a criminal yourself. Now, I'm not > saying that master's degree holders are criminals, it's just an example I'm > using. I'm just saying that if you associate yourself in a group of people > for which there are indeed a large proportion on PhD failures, then people > will often jump to the conclusion that you are also one yourself. > > > > > > I've encountered plenty of cases where better experiences can be had with > > Mathematics BS grads than CS MS grads, because the math folk don't assume > > that four years of algorithms & programming (and ponentially many other > > topics except real-world microcomputer-based support & networking > > issues-diclaimer, I'm aware that that is changing at the painfully slow > pace > > that most curriculms adhere to when reforming themselves, but the damage > is > > done) entitle them to godlike status where their intuitions concerning > > technologies, formal systems and issues that they have had NO PRACTICAL > > experience with are concerned. As far as the CS folk in question are > > concerned, since they already know everything, they can be VERY difficult > to > > train. (I'm aware of the existence of exceptions, but they are not the > ones > > making laughingstocks of their respective IT groups, so they do not occupy > > as prominent a place in my consciousness) > > > > It's interesting that you align CS with engineering, since the > > knowledge-gathering aspect of CS adheres better to the rhetoric and ideals > > of the natural sciences ever could, due to the nature of the subject > matter. > > Well, then I suppose you would also find it interesting to note that the > vast majority of American universities (don't know about Europe) also lump > CS into their engineering departments, rather than into their science > departments . Surely there is a reason for this. > > > > > Dragging back in the original question, the CCIE somewhat affirms the > > ability to perform hands-on work and apply concepts in unfamiliar contexts > > with success slightly quicker than random trial and error generally > produce > > in a vendor-specific state-space. Its ameliorative influence upon your > > career is somewhat dependent upon Cisco's success, IT's success and your > > personal goals. I see high level networking jobs where a mast
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
A point that might not have been adequately articulated thus far is as follows: Until the past couple of years, many CS programs had no mechanisms in place to ensure that a graduate would be of better value to a corporation requiring networking or troubleshooting skills than someone without a CS degree. This is compounded by CS graduates who act as if they ARE better qualified because they took many courses requiring them to develop code within the confines of classical programming languages/environments while avoiding curriculum that emphasized data communications like some manner of biblical plague. Just as people are likely to generalize based upon someone's level of education, they are equally likely to adopt inflexible opinions based upon their exposure to someone who, although talented & potentially capable of wielding superior cognitive firepower, is not immediately useful, and in fact obstructive, due to their lack of exposure to the business world, and their stubborn belief in their own infallability. For the record, the characteristics I've pointed out are indicative of the individuals involved, not their field of study. CS is just a natural target for people who wish to behave this way. An enlightened approach I've noticed is institutions who require that a candidate have a degree-not necessarily in computer science-to apply for a given networking/support (more-accurately: non-programming) position. This approach seems to form a balanced approach to addressing both sets of concerns. Unless I'm missing something terribly obvious (and yes, I'm aware that that phrase is somewhat [if not doubly] redundant). Feedback? - Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > one answer to your question might be that real management skills are still > > required to run the business. > > > > another might be that the venture capitalists and the investment bankers > > required what they deemed as qualified managers to be part of the > management > > team. > > Yes I understand. But either way, you must agree that it's really neither > here nor there. At the end of the day, if companies - for whatever reason - > want the degree , then the degree is what you will need to provide. > > > > > there can be substantial differences in the skill sets required to be an > > entrepreneur, visionary, leader, and the skill sets of professional > > managers. Even innovative tech companies need both. > > Absolutely. However I consider the degree a case of 'playing the > percentages'. Yes, you could roll the dice and try to be the next Gates, > and it might happen. But probably not. > > Tech companies do indeed need both pro-managers and tech visionaries. But > it's not really a case of 'either-or' when a degree is involved. It's not > like by getting a degree, you are forfeiting tech visionary capabilities. > You can have both - you can be both a visionary and have a lot of education. > In fact,not only is it possible, it is actually quite likely, because highly > educated people in fact tend to tech visionaries, some important exceptions > notwithstanding.Gates may have no formal education. But, for example, > the guys who founded Intel were all PhD's (Noyce -MIT, Moore - Caltech, > Grove - Berkeley), and they just so happened to invent rather some > innovative things like, oh, I don't know, solid-state memory (DRAM) and the > microprocessor (those are fairly important inventions, I would say). The > Cisco router was invented by a burst of innovation from Bosack and Lerner, > who just so happen to hold graduate degrees from Stanford. I could go on > and on. > > Look, my point isn't to tell everybody to go to college, or to tell people > that only the big schools matter. Not at all. Going or not going to > college is a personal decision that only the individual can make. And truly > it is the case the college is not right for some people. What I'm saying is > that a college degree does hold substantial value, even in a historically > informal industry like IT. If you choose not to go to college, that's > fine, just understand that you are giving up something of value. Now you > might decide that the degree is not worth the time and money it takes to do > it, or whatever, and that's a perfectly valid calculation for you to make. > But if you decide not to go, you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking > that you are not giving up anything of value, because you are. Maybe it's > not enough value for you, or, based on your personal circumstances, not > enough to justify a proper return-on-investment or whatever, but it's still > some value we're talking about here. > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAI
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
I'm not sure that the "limited education" part is accurate. Most extant accounts reveal that his (not-derived-from-an-accredited-institution, of course) education was profound enough to leave him bored, truly bored by the academic obligations imposed upon him during his year at Harvard. I'm trying to imagine a scenario whereby he graduates, and ONLY earns as much as an exceptional Harvard graduate. Assuming some kind of visionary insight/prescience, wouldn't his parents feel cheated by that result after doling out 4 years worth of IVY-League tuition & room/board??? - Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of someone > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in > the > > business world. > > You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > > Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've > developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut > and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > > "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are > indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves > strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, > surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, > Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet > interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of > Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost invariably, > those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else > generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the > most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, > Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations > of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates > himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily well-educated > management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly useful > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), then > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management > team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that > degree." > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, > a > > CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want > > out of life. > > > > However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company > that > > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to > take > > it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees > as > > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. > > > > > > > > ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am > > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss > with > > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid > off > > at > > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up > > there > > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a > job. > > I > > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this > > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back > from > > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in > > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My > > boss > > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local > > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the > > > company as they are cutting back everywhere. > > > > > > Just some food for thought. > > > > > > > > > >From: "nrf" > > > >Reply-To: "nrf" > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 > > > > > > > >""Drew"" wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, > I > > > >am > > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience > > (fortunately > > > >I > > > >am > > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the fiel
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > one answer to your question might be that real management skills are still > required to run the business. > > another might be that the venture capitalists and the investment bankers > required what they deemed as qualified managers to be part of the management > team. Yes I understand. But either way, you must agree that it's really neither here nor there. At the end of the day, if companies - for whatever reason - want the degree , then the degree is what you will need to provide. > > there can be substantial differences in the skill sets required to be an > entrepreneur, visionary, leader, and the skill sets of professional > managers. Even innovative tech companies need both. Absolutely. However I consider the degree a case of 'playing the percentages'. Yes, you could roll the dice and try to be the next Gates, and it might happen. But probably not. Tech companies do indeed need both pro-managers and tech visionaries. But it's not really a case of 'either-or' when a degree is involved. It's not like by getting a degree, you are forfeiting tech visionary capabilities. You can have both - you can be both a visionary and have a lot of education. In fact,not only is it possible, it is actually quite likely, because highly educated people in fact tend to tech visionaries, some important exceptions notwithstanding.Gates may have no formal education. But, for example, the guys who founded Intel were all PhD's (Noyce -MIT, Moore - Caltech, Grove - Berkeley), and they just so happened to invent rather some innovative things like, oh, I don't know, solid-state memory (DRAM) and the microprocessor (those are fairly important inventions, I would say). The Cisco router was invented by a burst of innovation from Bosack and Lerner, who just so happen to hold graduate degrees from Stanford. I could go on and on. Look, my point isn't to tell everybody to go to college, or to tell people that only the big schools matter. Not at all. Going or not going to college is a personal decision that only the individual can make. And truly it is the case the college is not right for some people. What I'm saying is that a college degree does hold substantial value, even in a historically informal industry like IT. If you choose not to go to college, that's fine, just understand that you are giving up something of value. Now you might decide that the degree is not worth the time and money it takes to do it, or whatever, and that's a perfectly valid calculation for you to make. But if you decide not to go, you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that you are not giving up anything of value, because you are. Maybe it's not enough value for you, or, based on your personal circumstances, not enough to justify a proper return-on-investment or whatever, but it's still some value we're talking about here. > > Chuck > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of > someone > > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in > > the > > > business world. > > > > You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > > > > Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've > > developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut > > and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > > > > "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are > > indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves > > strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, > > surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, > > Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet > > interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards > of > > Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost > invariably, > > those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else > > generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the > > most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, > MIT, > > Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations > > of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates > > himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily > well-educated > > management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the > > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly > useful > > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), > then > > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft > management > > team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) abo
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
A point that might not have been adequately articulated thus far is as follows: Until the past couple of years, many CS programs had no mechanisms in place to ensure that a graduate would be of better value to a corporation requiring networking or troubleshooting skills than someone without a CS degree. This is compounded by CS graduates who act as if they ARE better qualified because they took many courses requiring them to develop code within the confines of classical programming languages/environments while avoiding curriculum that emphasized data communications like some manner of biblical plague. Just as people are likely to generalize based upon someone's level of education, they are equally likely to adopt inflexible opinions based upon their exposure to someone who, although talented & potentially capable of wielding superior cognitive firepower, is not immediately useful, and in fact obstructive, due to their lack of exposure to the business world, and their stubborn belief in their own infallability. For the record, the characteristics I've pointed out are indicative of the individuals involved, not their field of study. CS is just a natural target for people who wish to behave this way. An enlightened approach I've noticed is institutions who require that a candidate have a degree-not necessarily in computer science-to apply for a given networking/support (more-accurately: non-programming) position. This approach seems to form a balanced approach to addressing both sets of concerns. Unless I'm missing something terribly obvious (and yes, I'm aware that that phrase is somewhat [if not doubly] redundant). Feedback? - Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > one answer to your question might be that real management skills are still > > required to run the business. > > > > another might be that the venture capitalists and the investment bankers > > required what they deemed as qualified managers to be part of the > management > > team. > > Yes I understand. But either way, you must agree that it's really neither > here nor there. At the end of the day, if companies - for whatever reason - > want the degree , then the degree is what you will need to provide. > > > > > there can be substantial differences in the skill sets required to be an > > entrepreneur, visionary, leader, and the skill sets of professional > > managers. Even innovative tech companies need both. > > Absolutely. However I consider the degree a case of 'playing the > percentages'. Yes, you could roll the dice and try to be the next Gates, > and it might happen. But probably not. > > Tech companies do indeed need both pro-managers and tech visionaries. But > it's not really a case of 'either-or' when a degree is involved. It's not > like by getting a degree, you are forfeiting tech visionary capabilities. > You can have both - you can be both a visionary and have a lot of education. > In fact,not only is it possible, it is actually quite likely, because highly > educated people in fact tend to tech visionaries, some important exceptions > notwithstanding.Gates may have no formal education. But, for example, > the guys who founded Intel were all PhD's (Noyce -MIT, Moore - Caltech, > Grove - Berkeley), and they just so happened to invent rather some > innovative things like, oh, I don't know, solid-state memory (DRAM) and the > microprocessor (those are fairly important inventions, I would say). The > Cisco router was invented by a burst of innovation from Bosack and Lerner, > who just so happen to hold graduate degrees from Stanford. I could go on > and on. > > Look, my point isn't to tell everybody to go to college, or to tell people > that only the big schools matter. Not at all. Going or not going to > college is a personal decision that only the individual can make. And truly > it is the case the college is not right for some people. What I'm saying is > that a college degree does hold substantial value, even in a historically > informal industry like IT. If you choose not to go to college, that's > fine, just understand that you are giving up something of value. Now you > might decide that the degree is not worth the time and money it takes to do > it, or whatever, and that's a perfectly valid calculation for you to make. > But if you decide not to go, you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking > that you are not giving up anything of value, because you are. Maybe it's > not enough value for you, or, based on your personal circumstances, not > enough to justify a proper return-on-investment or whatever, but it's still > some value we're talking about here. > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAI
Re: FW: IDS 4210 [7:41864]
Hi, First of all configure the Sensor with the IP address through the console by using a menu driven utility called "sysconfig-sensor" and then use cspm to configure the other information by using Add new sensor Wizard. Kind Regards /Thangavel 186K Reading,Brkshire Direct No -0118 9064259 Mobile No -07796292416 Post code: RG16LH www.186k.co.uk -- The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall ." -- Nelson Mandela "Johnson, Richard (NY Int)"To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: Sent by: Subject: FW: IDS 4210 [7:41864] nobody@groupstudy .com 18/04/2002 20:32 Please respond to "Johnson, Richard (NY Int)" -Original Message- From: Johnson, Richard (NY Int) Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:32 PM To:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:IDS 4210 Hi All, Using the CSPM, how do I set the addresses for my IDS box. Currently I have one set, how do I setup the other? Thanks, Rich ** This e-mail is from 186k Ltd and is intended only for the addressee named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or priveleged information, if you are not the named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, please advise the sender by return e-mail. The contents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. 186k Ltd is a Lattice Group company, registered in England & Wales No. 3751494 Registered Office 130 Jermyn Street London SW1Y 4UR ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42135&t=41864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Default Gateway and Ip Default Network [7:42099]
GOL is the last resort tried by the router to send packets bound for unknown destinations. default network command, specifies the network (e.g. the ISP's network) to which the un-known destination packets will be forwarded to. This is particularly useful when you move frequently, but have a well known network that can successfully route packets to the desired destinations for which routes may not exist in your routing table as you relocate. For e.g. when at location A, your default gateway to the ISP may be 172.16.1.1, now if you relocate to B even though the ISP is the same, your default gateway address is now 192.168.1.1. However you know that there is a common network at the ISP that is reachable from either locations e.g. 10.1.1.0. Thus in this situation, to prevent re-configuration on your router you would configfure the default network referring to 10.1.1.0 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42136&t=42099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Fair enough. Thanks for elegantly depicting the real-world factors involved. I'll always bear a conceptual blind spot concerning individuals in that category, but I felt compelled to point out that the popular generalization, as usual, has issues where accuracy is concerned. I would never expect the business world to be fair, or expect HR professionals who don't specialize in IT (and, unfortunately, some who do) to accurately interpret the candidate-specific data they are confronted with. Since I'm constantly fighting the practice of jumping to ANY conclusion (and thereby revealing weaknesses that plague the conclusion-jumper's decision-making processes), I really can't pass up opportunities to clarify situations which are publically discussed such as the one we're addressing. - Original Message - From: "sakky" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""Kevin Cullimore"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > A fair amount of people who focused their academic pursuits on "natural > > sciences"/mathematics work in the private sector. Some of them have jobs > > which apply concepts & concrete knowledge that was part of their > curriculum. > > Some of them pusued a masters because they could actually learn something > > about their field of interest (which can be profoundly hard to do within > > undergrad programs) or it helped advance their pursuit of compensation or > > responsibility. Some really competent Masters students opted to not pursue > > PhDs because of the prospects of divorce and minimal returns based on > their > > current job status. If they can't pass the quals, I'm not sure the > > conferring of the Masters is in order. Conversely, there are PLENTY of > good > > reasons to NOT let someone in a PhD. program even if they CAN or DO pass > > their quals. > > On the other hand, many of those master's degrees guys really were guys who > couldn't pass their quals. So whether you had a legitimate reason for > getting a master's degree or not doesn't really matter in terms of getting a > job or for professional prestige or whatever - you will be deemed 'guilty > by association' by being lumped together with a bunch of, shall we say, > rejects. > > Is that unfair? Yeah, it is. But that's life. Surely you realize that HR > and other hiring directors often make decisions based on what's on a piece > of paper, and you therefore have no chance to explain the details of your > situation to them. The fact is, you are judged by the people you associate > with. If you associate with a bunch of thugs and criminals, you shouldn't > be surprised when people think you are a criminal yourself. Now, I'm not > saying that master's degree holders are criminals, it's just an example I'm > using. I'm just saying that if you associate yourself in a group of people > for which there are indeed a large proportion on PhD failures, then people > will often jump to the conclusion that you are also one yourself. > > > > > > I've encountered plenty of cases where better experiences can be had with > > Mathematics BS grads than CS MS grads, because the math folk don't assume > > that four years of algorithms & programming (and ponentially many other > > topics except real-world microcomputer-based support & networking > > issues-diclaimer, I'm aware that that is changing at the painfully slow > pace > > that most curriculms adhere to when reforming themselves, but the damage > is > > done) entitle them to godlike status where their intuitions concerning > > technologies, formal systems and issues that they have had NO PRACTICAL > > experience with are concerned. As far as the CS folk in question are > > concerned, since they already know everything, they can be VERY difficult > to > > train. (I'm aware of the existence of exceptions, but they are not the > ones > > making laughingstocks of their respective IT groups, so they do not occupy > > as prominent a place in my consciousness) > > > > It's interesting that you align CS with engineering, since the > > knowledge-gathering aspect of CS adheres better to the rhetoric and ideals > > of the natural sciences ever could, due to the nature of the subject > matter. > > Well, then I suppose you would also find it interesting to note that the > vast majority of American universities (don't know about Europe) also lump > CS into their engineering departments, rather than into their science > departments . Surely there is a reason for this. > > > > > Dragging back in the original question, the CCIE somewhat affirms the > > ability to perform hands-on work and apply concepts in unfamiliar contexts > > with success slightly quicker than random trial and error generally > produce > > in a vendor-specific state-space. Its ameliorative influence upon your > > career is somewhat dependent upon Cisco's success, IT's success and your > > personal goals. I see high level networking jobs where a mast
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
That's nothing! I bought a 4 bedroom detached house in Shropshire UK, and I have to share it with a woman, two children and two cats! I can't believe we can get something cheaper than the US. 8 pints over here is #1.80. Is your gallon the same size as ours? Please keep it quiet - I can see a new Milk tax being introduced at the next budget. Gaz ""supernet"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A friend of mine bought a 2-bedroom apartment in New York, cost him > $500,000. And he has to share bathroom with his neighbor. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Howard C. Berkowitz > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent > part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in > the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of > a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you > ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in > platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in > the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of > >> > Diehm, Brian > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it > got me > >> > to > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever > known a > >> > CCIE > >> > to make? > >> > > >> > Brian D > >> > _ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _ > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > >_ > >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42137&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: h
How deep do I go? [7:42138]
I'm studying for the written, and have really started to pick up the pace to try and get the old written complete before the new one comes in. Can anyone tell me what sort of detail is required? I've read chapters on most sections (ATM,Bridging) and from competing my CCNP, ISDN/Frame/OSPF/EIGRP/RIP and all that jazz is still fairly fresh. New topics are Token, SDLC, SSRP, Heavy atm and so on. How much do I know? or should I just know what that for the Blueprint on CCO, RSRB is used to transport Token traffic over a WAN IP cloud and still maintains the RIF. Knowing that Dlsw terminates the RIF at the peer, and is a extenstion but still backward compatiable with rsrb. I know how to read RIFS.. Just confused as to How deep i go with this material...I know that the mechanics will be focused on during my lab process but I merely want to get rid of this written to focus my energy and time on what counts.. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42138&t=42138 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
>You can originate a 0.0.0.0 route from each of the ISP connected routers. >Ideally, then each router on your internal network that receives both >0.0.0.0 routes from both originating routers will route traffic to the >internet based on the the 0.0.0.0 route with the best metric. You're on the right track. But what characteristics must the default routes have to assure a degree of load sharing? (I'm thinking of something specific to OSPF) What is their effect on load balancing from the provider to you? > >I'm not sure about OSPF, but where I work we have 2 connections to the >internet at difference POPs, and this is the method we use. Seems to give >some load balancing, however, based on the number of users at each site >i.e. we have twice as many users at one site (which chooses it's closest >internet connection for exit to the net) as we do at the other, so we really >get a lopsided load balance, but it's what we expect. We are soon going to >be implementing BGP on the 2 routers that connect to the internet so what we >can have inbound redunancy from the internet, but we'll still leave the >lopsided load balancing in place as to really load balance across our >internet connections would each bandwidth on our OC-12, which we don't >want > >Mike W. >- Original Message - >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:51 PM >Subject: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF Multihoming >[7:42092] > > >> Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one >> ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to >> achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? >> >> Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its limitations? >> >> Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be >required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42139&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to back crossover [7:42140]
The part number is that there isn't a part number because Cisco doesn't have such a cable. ""Jeffrey W. Hall"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does anyone know what the Cisco part number of the DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back > to back crossover cable? I realize the part number may be different based > on cable length, so let's use a 6 foot cable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeffrey W. Hall > Network Administrator, CCNP, SCSA, MCSE > U.S. Army Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42140&t=42140 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TAC [7:42141]
You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer Thanks, Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42141&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
Everytime I've had a TAC case, (YOU) the customer was the one who decided when the case was closed, not the TAC engineer... After all, it is YOUR network that has the problem and YOU need to figure out if it's fixed or not. HTH, Mike W. "Pierre-Alex Guanel" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > > Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > > Thanks, > > Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42143&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
See inline >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:08:21 -0400 > > >You can originate a 0.0.0.0 route from each of the ISP connected routers. > >Ideally, then each router on your internal network that receives both > >0.0.0.0 routes from both originating routers will route traffic to the > >internet based on the the 0.0.0.0 route with the best metric. > >You're on the right track. But what characteristics must the default >routes have to assure a degree of load sharing? (I'm thinking of >something specific to OSPF) NT: On redistribution of the default-route using OSPF's default assigment of "E2", with a standard "metric XX" value at both POP's will allow the both default routes to be equal-cost. Another option here would be to use the "ospf cost" or "bandwidth" configuration commands to balance the links. >What is their effect on load balancing from the provider to you? > > > > >I'm not sure about OSPF, but where I work we have 2 connections to the > >internet at difference POPs, and this is the method we use. Seems to >give > >some load balancing, however, based on the number of users at each >site > >i.e. we have twice as many users at one site (which chooses it's closest > >internet connection for exit to the net) as we do at the other, so we >really > >get a lopsided load balance, but it's what we expect. We are soon going >to > >be implementing BGP on the 2 routers that connect to the internet so what >we > >can have inbound redunancy from the internet, but we'll still leave the > >lopsided load balancing in place as to really load balance across our > >internet connections would each bandwidth on our OC-12, which we don't > >want > > > >Mike W. > >- Original Message - > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:51 PM > >Subject: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF Multihoming > >[7:42092] > > > > > >> Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one > >> ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to > >> achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? > >> > >> Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its >limitations? > >> > >> Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be > >required. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42142&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
In my experience, either side can close the case. I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases quickly. On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? I don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had several occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude back and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm used to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this happened with increasing frequency to any of you? Craig At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > >Thanks, > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42144&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Session Timeout [7:42145]
Is there a way to setup Session Timeout on Cisco AS5300? Thanks. Jill Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42145&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
Has anyone ever had TAC work on a weekend? How can I get an engineer on a weekend if I ever needed one? -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com ""Craig Columbus"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases quickly. > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? I > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had several > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people > initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude back > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm used > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > Craig > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > > > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > > > >Thanks, > > > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42147&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
groupstudy... [7:42146]
I was just wondering... Could anyone tell me if Microsoft has any simular groupstudys anywhere? Thanx Best, Morgan Hansen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42146&t=42146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TAC [7:42141]
"I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases quickly." It seems to me that the clients should close the case because they are the only one who can tell whether the problem has been resolved to their satisfaction ... I don't have access to the TAC Case Tool kit because I have no contract agreement with Cisco. Is there a button somewhere on the electronic form that says "Close"? Thank you, Pierre-Alex -Original Message- From: Craig Columbus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:08 AM To: Pierre-Alex Guanel Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TAC [7:42141] In my experience, either side can close the case. I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases quickly. On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? I don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had several occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude back and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm used to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this happened with increasing frequency to any of you? Craig At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > >Thanks, > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42148&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Session Timeout [7:42145]
of course, depend on which kind of timeout you are going to set Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42150&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: groupstudy... [7:42146]
seems not Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42149&t=42146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
I would presume that if you have a 7x24 onsite contract, you could expect engineering support on a weekend. Do you mean someone looking at configurations, checking for bugs, replacing failed hardware, what specifically? ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Has anyone ever had TAC work on a weekend? How can I get an engineer on a > weekend if I ever needed one? > > -- > > RFC 1149 Compliant. > Get in my head: > http://sar.dynu.com > > > ""Craig Columbus"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I > > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases > quickly. > > > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps > > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? > I > > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's > > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had several > > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people > > initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude > back > > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm > used > > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had > > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this > > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > > > > > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42151&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TAC [7:42141]
I called TAC this morning. I had no problem getting through. If you are in the US, the number is: 1 800 553 2447 Pierre-Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TAC [7:42141] Has anyone ever had TAC work on a weekend? How can I get an engineer on a weekend if I ever needed one? -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com ""Craig Columbus"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases quickly. > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? I > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had several > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people > initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude back > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm used > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > Craig > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > > > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > > > >Thanks, > > > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42152&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
>See inline > > >>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:08:21 -0400 >> >> >You can originate a 0.0.0.0 route from each of the ISP connected routers. >> >Ideally, then each router on your internal network that receives both >> >0.0.0.0 routes from both originating routers will route traffic to the >> >internet based on the the 0.0.0.0 route with the best metric. >> >>You're on the right track. But what characteristics must the default >>routes have to assure a degree of load sharing? (I'm thinking of >>something specific to OSPF) > >NT: On redistribution of the default-route using OSPF's default assigment of >"E2", with a standard "metric XX" value at both POP's will allow the both >default routes to be equal-cost. Another option here would be to use the >"ospf cost" or "bandwidth" configuration commands to balance the links. That would make the links to the ISP load balanced, but it wouldn't necessarily equalize the load in getting to them from within the enterprise. Again, you are on the right track. > > >>What is their effect on load balancing from the provider to you? >> >> > >> >I'm not sure about OSPF, but where I work we have 2 connections to the >> >internet at difference POPs, and this is the method we use. Seems to >>give >> >some load balancing, however, based on the number of users at each >>site >> >i.e. we have twice as many users at one site (which chooses it's closest >> >internet connection for exit to the net) as we do at the other, so we >>really >> >get a lopsided load balance, but it's what we expect. We are soon going >>to >> >be implementing BGP on the 2 routers that connect to the internet so what >>we >> >can have inbound redunancy from the internet, but we'll still leave the >> >lopsided load balancing in place as to really load balance across our >> >internet connections would each bandwidth on our OC-12, which we don't >> >want >> > >> >Mike W. >> >- Original Message - >> >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >> >Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco >> >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:51 PM >> >Subject: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF Multihoming >> >[7:42092] >> > >> > >> >> Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one >> >> ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to >> >> achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? >> >> >> >> Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its >>limitations? >> >> >> >> Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be >> >required. >_ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42153&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Steven A. Ridder wrote: |->Has anyone ever had TAC work on a weekend? How can I get an engineer on a |->weekend if I ever needed one? ive called on Satudays and gotten through. These days I open a case on the web as I can usually get a call back faster than if I call myself. Do you have a support contract? Keith Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42154&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
It may be that there are some companies that ask you to sign agreements. I personally have not run into that in any of the four places I worked where there was a tuition reimbursement. These places were a large brokerage firm, a small brokerage firm, a major telco, and a well known clothing manufacturer. Obviously, one should read through their employee benefits manual, or check with their HR department, YMMV ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Also, there are certain companies that offer "post"-tuition reimbursement. > What I mean by that is that you attend a regular, day B-school, on your own > dime, and if you do well (really well) and/or the B-school is really famous > (like, for example, the Ivy League), then these companies may offer as part > of their compensation package, reimbursement of the tuition you paid. Now > you can just think of this as a really really big signing bonus, but for tax > reasons, it is advantageous for both you and those companies to structure it > as a tuition reimbursement deal. But of course, for you to accept such a > deal you will be forced to sign some documents agreeing to stick with that > company for x number of years, where basically you are signing yourself into > indentured servitude with that company for awhile. But it still might make > good financial sense, depending on the exact circumstances. > > > ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > But it's good to know that employer-sponsorship still happens. I had my > MBA > > classes sponsored at my previous 2 employers. I'm sure my current one will > > do it too, but it just doesn't feel right to ask for it in such economy. > Our > > stock is OK but the environment is not very encouraging. Anyway back to my > > CCIE quest for now! > > > > Tarek > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > adam lee > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:53 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school > > won't let you play.:) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Chuck > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:22 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, > > take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer > > required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the > > class. books were not included. > > > > My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer > ( a > > telco ) offers a similar program. > > > > It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to > > call it the "ten year plan" :-> > > > > HTH > > > > > > ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi > > > > > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? > > You > > > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42155&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: groupstudy... [7:42146]
msnews.microsoft.com -- Navin Parwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""Morgan Hansen"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I was just wondering... > > Could anyone tell me if Microsoft has any simular groupstudys anywhere? > > Thanx > > Best, > Morgan Hansen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42156&t=42146 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
see inline - Craig Columbus wrote: > > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being > resolved. I > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing > cases quickly. > Generally, the TAC should be asking the customer if the problem has been resolved and if the case should be closed. But depending on circumstances, TAC can close it as well. But usually, I get emails from my TAC engineer asking if the issue has been resolved and can we close the case. > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is > perhaps > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line > engineers? I > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the > time Cisco's > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've > had several > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent > people > initially handle my TAC cases. Probably because most TAC people are overworked now because of the layoffs. Cisco probably have not been selling much new gears in the last 2 years, but the day to day TAC support business probably never went down, but they laid off people so fewer people are handling the same amount of TAC calls. And I think certain things that go to development engineer type groups have been taking longer and longer to be resolved. Something that should take 1 week, might now take 2-3 weeks. > In each instance, I've had to > get rude back > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support > that I'm used > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that > he's had > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has > this > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > Craig > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42157&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
Yes, I forgot about the getting that default route into the enterprise from the CE. That would leave the "default-information orginate" . Nigel >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:37:52 -0400 > > >See inline > > > > > >>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >>Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] > >>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:08:21 -0400 > >> > >> >You can originate a 0.0.0.0 route from each of the ISP connected >routers. > >> >Ideally, then each router on your internal network that receives both > >> >0.0.0.0 routes from both originating routers will route traffic to the > >> >internet based on the the 0.0.0.0 route with the best metric. > >> > >>You're on the right track. But what characteristics must the default > >>routes have to assure a degree of load sharing? (I'm thinking of > >>something specific to OSPF) > > > >NT: On redistribution of the default-route using OSPF's default assigment of > >"E2", with a standard "metric XX" value at both POP's will allow the both > >default routes to be equal-cost. Another option here would be to use the > >"ospf cost" or "bandwidth" configuration commands to balance the links. > >That would make the links to the ISP load balanced, but it wouldn't >necessarily equalize the load in getting to them from within the >enterprise. Again, you are on the right track. > > > > > > >>What is their effect on load balancing from the provider to you? > >> > >> > > >> >I'm not sure about OSPF, but where I work we have 2 connections to the > >> >internet at difference POPs, and this is the method we use. Seems to > >>give > >> >some load balancing, however, based on the number of users at each > >>site > >> >i.e. we have twice as many users at one site (which chooses it's closest > >> >internet connection for exit to the net) as we do at the other, so we > >>really > >> >get a lopsided load balance, but it's what we expect. We are soon going > >>to > >> >be implementing BGP on the 2 routers that connect to the internet so >what > >>we > >> >can have inbound redunancy from the internet, but we'll still leave the > >> >lopsided load balancing in place as to really load balance across our > >> >internet connections would each bandwidth on our OC-12, which we don't > >> >want > >> > > >> >Mike W. > >> >- Original Message - > >> >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >> >Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > >> >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:51 PM > >> >Subject: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF Multihoming > >> >[7:42092] > >> > > >> > > >> >> Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one > >> >> ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to > >> >> achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? > >> >> > >> >> Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its > >>limitations? > >> >> > >> >> Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be > >> >required. > >_ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42158&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
Generally, for the purposes of effecting scaleable call-tracking management, larger organizations tend to have explicit policies regarding call closure, specifying intervals of time which must elapse or a certain number of unanswered attempts to contact the customer in order to close a call without the requestor's explicit permission. Almost Invariably, the support personnel are required to send a form letter requesting that the "end-user" respond if they are not in agreement with this action. I've seen the TAC provide high-level weekend support, it just tends to take a little longer. - Original Message - From: "Paul Jin" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: TAC [7:42141] > see inline - > > Craig Columbus wrote: > > > > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being > > resolved. I > > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing > > cases quickly. > > > > Generally, the TAC should be asking the customer if the problem has been > resolved and if the case should be closed. But depending on > circumstances, TAC can close it as well. But usually, I get emails from my > TAC engineer asking if the issue has been resolved and can we close the case. > > > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is > > perhaps > > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line > > engineers? I > > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the > > time Cisco's > > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've > > had several > > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent > > people > > initially handle my TAC cases. > > Probably because most TAC people are overworked now because of the layoffs. > Cisco probably have not been selling much new gears in the last 2 years, but > the day to day TAC support business probably never went down, but they laid > off people so fewer people are handling the same amount of TAC calls. > > And I think certain things that go to development engineer type groups have > been taking longer and longer to be resolved. Something that should take 1 > week, might now take 2-3 weeks. > > > > In each instance, I've had to > > get rude back > > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support > > that I'm used > > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that > > he's had > > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has > > this > > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > > > Craig Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42159&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MPLS book [7:42160]
Can someone let me know the details of Cisco press book(ISBN number,book name and author) for cisco MPLS exam. Kind Regards /Thangavel 186K Reading,Brkshire Direct No -0118 9064259 Mobile No -07796292416 Post code: RG16LH www.186k.co.uk -- The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall ." -- Nelson Mandela ** This e-mail is from 186k Ltd and is intended only for the addressee named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or priveleged information, if you are not the named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, please advise the sender by return e-mail. The contents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. 186k Ltd is a Lattice Group company, registered in England & Wales No. 3751494 Registered Office 130 Jermyn Street London SW1Y 4UR ** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42160&t=42160 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
confused about IPSec and IKE [7:42162]
I am studying for my CSS-1. The one area I am struggling with is IPsec and IKE. I took an example from Cramsession.com's MCNS study guide. There are similiar examples in the MCNS Cisco press book and the PIX advanced CIsco Press book. Here are the IPsec commands: crypto ipsec trasform-set testset1 esp-des esp-sha-hmac crypto map testmap1 10 ipsec-isakmp crypto map testmap1 10 match address 102 crypto map testmap1 10 set peer 209.223.140.2 crypto map testmap1 10 set tranform set testset1 Here are the IKE commands: isakmp enable outside isamkmp policy 21 isamkmp policy 21 encryption des isamkmp policy 21 hash sha isamkmp policy 21 authentication rsa-sig isamkmp policy 21 group 2 isamkmp policy 21 lifetime 4000 Here is how I understand the relationship between IPSec and IKE. If it is IKE's job to make IPSec configuration and management easier, then why do you have to configure all the commands for IPSec AND IKE? Wouldn't you just configure IPSec if you weren't using IKE and if you were using IKE, why do you need to configure IPSec? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42162&t=42162 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
At 2:19 PM -0400 4/21/02, Nigel Taylor wrote: >Yes, > >I forgot about the getting that default route into the enterprise >from the CE. That would leave the "default-information orginate" . > >Nigel Nigel, thanks for continuing this thread, because I'm finding the interaction very informative, and will try to start building it into practice things. I think it was you that mentioned that it can be hard to stop thinking about configuration commands and look a little more broadly about the problem. Yes, in this case, you could use default-information originate. But think on the protocol/functionality level for a moment. To get both internal and external (i.e., to the ISP) load balancing, what information does the default route have to convey into the enterprise's OSPF? [hint follows] Think about the parameters of default-information originate, especially the values it does by default (the other kind of default, that is). The answer lies in using a non-default value of one parameter. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42163&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
When I started out in computers I worked at an outsourced call center for various technical products. My performance was in fact rated on how many calls I took and how fast I got off the phone. I think most call centers work this way. They should be rated on whether or not the customer has to call back for more help. I did learn a few tricks on how to get the most out of phone support. Here are a few good pointers. 1.) Never yell or curse This is the fastest way to get disconnected. 2.) explain your problem and what you have done to correct it. I usually write it down while I am on hold. 3.) Get the name, ID number or whatever of the person you are talking to. 4.) If the person is unable to help you, ask for there manager. 5.) Don't accept the old "call back if that doesn't work." The tech wants to get off the phone fast. You can use that to your advantage. However, I would rate Cisco very good on the few TAC cases I have openned. --- Kevin Cullimore wrote: > Generally, for the purposes of effecting scaleable > call-tracking management, > larger organizations tend to have explicit policies > regarding call closure, > specifying intervals of time which must elapse or a > certain number of > unanswered attempts to contact the customer in order > to close a call without > the requestor's explicit permission. Almost > Invariably, the support > personnel are required to send a form letter > requesting that the "end-user" > respond if they are not in agreement with this > action. > > I've seen the TAC provide high-level weekend > support, it just tends to take > a little longer. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Jin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: TAC [7:42141] > > > > see inline - > > > > Craig Columbus wrote: > > > > > > In my experience, either side can close the > case. > > > > > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even > close to being > > > resolved. I > > > assume that there's some type of reward > structure for closing > > > cases quickly. > > > > > > > Generally, the TAC should be asking the customer > if the problem has been > > resolved and if the case should be closed. But > depending on > > circumstances, TAC can close it as well. But > usually, I get emails from > my > > TAC engineer asking if the issue has been resolved > and can we close the > case. > > > > > > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience > that TAC is > > > perhaps > > > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of > the first line > > > engineers? I > > > don't remember having any problems with TAC > until about the > > > time Cisco's > > > stock price started seriously dropping. Since > that time, I've > > > had several > > > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or > incompetent > > > people > > > initially handle my TAC cases. > > > > Probably because most TAC people are overworked > now because of the > layoffs. > > Cisco probably have not been selling much new > gears in the last 2 years, > but > > the day to day TAC support business probably never > went down, but they > laid > > off people so fewer people are handling the same > amount of TAC calls. > > > > And I think certain things that go to development > engineer type groups > have > > been taking longer and longer to be resolved. > Something that should take > 1 > > week, might now take 2-3 weeks. > > > > > > > In each instance, I've had to > > > get rude back > > > and insist that they drop the case and transfer > me to their > > > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the > superior TAC support > > > that I'm used > > > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he > told me that > > > he's had > > > exactly the same experience. What's been your > experience? Has > > > this > > > happened with increasing frequency to any of > you? > > > > > > Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42164&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE salary ?honest opinions please. [7:42166]
Hi All: Just wondering... What's the average salary for CCIE in this market ? thank you very much... I am finishing my CCNP, and very interest in CCIE cert. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42166&t=42166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE salary ?honest opinions please. [7:42166]
Which part of the world? ""datek44 lee"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi All: > > Just wondering... > What's the average salary for CCIE in this market ? > > > thank you very much... > > I am finishing my CCNP, and very interest in CCIE cert. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42167&t=42166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I took the beta (351-001) [7:42113]
4/21/20024:00pmSunday Any idea how long the old test will be out there ? I took it a month ago & failed by 4 questions. I was planning on retaking it in late May. Thanks, Richard // ""Dennis Laganiere"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I took the beta this afternoon, just to see how it compared to 350-001. I > would like to share my perceptions; but please don't e-mail asking me to > break > the NDA, I won't. > > I found it to be significantly more challenging then the old exam, requiring > you to know the topics covered much more deeply then before. I would be > surprised if there isn't a considerable drop-off in the pass rate if what I > saw today is any indication of what the ready-for-prime-time version is when > it comes out. > > Finally some of the older technologies are dropping off, and as you can see > from the blueprint, new technologies have been added. I also noticed that > the > questions have matured quite a bit, as if they pushed back some of the lab > problems that were dropped in the transition to the one-day format. If you > miss the troubleshooting section of the lab; you'll enjoy seeing it here. > > Keep in mind I've got a book out, as well as being one of the boson authors, > so I have a vested interest here - but my advice would be that if you are > anywhere near ready, start cramming to take the old version before it goes > away. If you doubt my sincerity, spend the $50 and see if I'm kidding about > the new exam. > > Again, without breaking the NDA - I'd be curious if anybody had a different > experience. Perhaps I perceived it as harder just because I've spent so much > time living with the old exam. > > Good luck all... > > -=- Dennis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42168&t=42113 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
Howard, I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" command is applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. It is also known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least preffered. So based on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter to make the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info into the ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. In thinking about this even more when I was posting the very first time to this thread I taught..yes, that's it..but opt'd not to mention it. Now it dawns on me that the default nature of (cisco's)ospf is to use 4 equal-cost routes. So now "maximum-paths 2" sounds like the way to go. the hint knocked me over the head..:-> Nigel >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:31:29 -0400 > >At 2:19 PM -0400 4/21/02, Nigel Taylor wrote: > >Yes, > > > > I forgot about the getting that default route into the enterprise > >from the CE. That would leave the "default-information orginate" . > > > >Nigel > >Nigel, thanks for continuing this thread, because I'm finding the >interaction very informative, and will try to start building it into >practice things. > >I think it was you that mentioned that it can be hard to stop >thinking about configuration commands and look a little more broadly >about the problem. Yes, in this case, you could use >default-information originate. > >But think on the protocol/functionality level for a moment. To get >both internal and external (i.e., to the ISP) load balancing, what >information does the default route have to convey into the >enterprise's OSPF? >[hint follows] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Think about the parameters of default-information originate, >especially the values it does by default (the other kind of default, >that is). The answer lies in using a non-default value of one misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42169&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I took the beta (351-001) [7:42113]
I was talking to the wife about that. I'd say (and I can't claim this is accurate, just thinking out loud) since the Beta isn't over until May 6th, and results won't come in until 6-8 weeks after that, I wouldn't expect to see the "new" version take over until July or after. but that's just my thinking >From what I've been reading here, I need to get down to business and pass the written before the new regime... hehe Still looking forward to taking the beta, if nothing else to get me up and going before I take the current written... Good luck! Mike W. "nettable_walker" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > 4/21/20024:00pmSunday > > Any idea how long the old test will be out there ? > I took it a month ago & failed by 4 questions. I was planning on retaking > it in late May. > > Thanks, > > Richard > > // > > ""Dennis Laganiere"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I took the beta this afternoon, just to see how it compared to 350-001. I > > would like to share my perceptions; but please don't e-mail asking me to > > break > > the NDA, I won't. > > > > I found it to be significantly more challenging then the old exam, > requiring > > you to know the topics covered much more deeply then before. I would be > > surprised if there isn't a considerable drop-off in the pass rate if what > I > > saw today is any indication of what the ready-for-prime-time version is > when > > it comes out. > > > > Finally some of the older technologies are dropping off, and as you can > see > > from the blueprint, new technologies have been added. I also noticed that > > the > > questions have matured quite a bit, as if they pushed back some of the lab > > problems that were dropped in the transition to the one-day format. If > you > > miss the troubleshooting section of the lab; you'll enjoy seeing it here. > > > > Keep in mind I've got a book out, as well as being one of the boson > authors, > > so I have a vested interest here - but my advice would be that if you are > > anywhere near ready, start cramming to take the old version before it goes > > away. If you doubt my sincerity, spend the $50 and see if I'm kidding > about > > the new exam. > > > > Again, without breaking the NDA - I'd be curious if anybody had a > different > > experience. Perhaps I perceived it as harder just because I've spent so > much > > time living with the old exam. > > > > Good luck all... > > > > -=- Dennis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42171&t=42113 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WS-C1900C [7:42173]
Does this switch have the IOS based CLI as well as the menu? I know the later 1900's do but am unsure of this earlier one. Thanks, Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42173&t=42173 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Session Timeout [7:42145]
Try, dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] see: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121newft/121 t/121t2/dtidle.htm (watch for URL wrap) Also, we were having out dial-ups disconnect after a certain amount of time even if there was activity due to an "exec-timeout" with non-zero values on the physical lines. So I went into line config mode and did a "exec timeout 0 0" and that stopped currently active lines from disconnecting. Mike W. "Jill Johnson" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I want to set timeout when there is no inactivity. We use this router with > the dial-up > software Steel Radius from FUNK. Dial-up users never disconnect their > computers. As a > result, it is accumulating the telephone charges. FUNK software does not > detect the > inactivity. > > Thanks. > > Jill > > xie rootstock wrote: > > > of course, depend on which kind of timeout you are going to set Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42172&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I took the beta (351-001) [7:42113]
If you're getting ready for the old version I've written some stuff you can grab for free from www.laganiere.net There's a document on doing RIFs, advice for perparation and a few other things I've put together. Let me know if it helps... Thanks... --- Dennis - Original Message - From: "Michael L. Williams" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: I took the beta (351-001) [7:42113] > I was talking to the wife about that. I'd say (and I can't claim this is > accurate, just thinking out loud) since the Beta isn't over until May 6th, > and results won't come in until 6-8 weeks after that, I wouldn't expect to > see the "new" version take over until July or after. but that's just my > thinking > > From what I've been reading here, I need to get down to business and pass > the written before the new regime... hehe > Still looking forward to taking the beta, if nothing else to get me up and > going before I take the current written... > > Good luck! > Mike W. > > "nettable_walker" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > 4/21/20024:00pmSunday > > > > Any idea how long the old test will be out there ? > > I took it a month ago & failed by 4 questions. I was planning on retaking > > it in late May. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Richard > > > > // > > > > ""Dennis Laganiere"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I took the beta this afternoon, just to see how it compared to 350-001. > I > > > would like to share my perceptions; but please don't e-mail asking me to > > > break > > > the NDA, I won't. > > > > > > I found it to be significantly more challenging then the old exam, > > requiring > > > you to know the topics covered much more deeply then before. I would be > > > surprised if there isn't a considerable drop-off in the pass rate if > what > > I > > > saw today is any indication of what the ready-for-prime-time version is > > when > > > it comes out. > > > > > > Finally some of the older technologies are dropping off, and as you can > > see > > > from the blueprint, new technologies have been added. I also noticed > that > > > the > > > questions have matured quite a bit, as if they pushed back some of the > lab > > > problems that were dropped in the transition to the one-day format. If > > you > > > miss the troubleshooting section of the lab; you'll enjoy seeing it > here. > > > > > > Keep in mind I've got a book out, as well as being one of the boson > > authors, > > > so I have a vested interest here - but my advice would be that if you > are > > > anywhere near ready, start cramming to take the old version before it > goes > > > away. If you doubt my sincerity, spend the $50 and see if I'm kidding > > about > > > the new exam. > > > > > > Again, without breaking the NDA - I'd be curious if anybody had a > > different > > > experience. Perhaps I perceived it as harder just because I've spent so > > much > > > time living with the old exam. > > > > > > Good luck all... > > > > > > -=- Dennis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42174&t=42113 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
>Howard, >I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" >command is >applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. It is >also >known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least preffered. >So based >on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter to >make >the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info >into the >ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. STOP! Using E1 is the answer, although I don't think you have the reason quite right. On the default-information originate command, use metric-type 1 and an equal metric on both routers. E1 considers the combined internal and external metric. If you make the external metrics equal, traffic in your network will go to the closest exit. If the network topology is reasonably well designed with the placement of your gateways, this should give approximate sharing of both internal resources and the ISP links. Again, this is outwards toward the ISP. Without BGP, you aren't going to influence inbound sharing. > >In thinking about this even more when I was posting the very first >time to this thread I taught..yes, that's it..but opt'd not to mention >it. >Now it dawns on me that the default nature of (cisco's)ospf is to use 4 >equal-cost >routes. So now "maximum-paths 2" sounds like the way to go. No, for a couple of reasons. First, OSPF will generate only one external route to the same destination in the same router. So load balancing on the same router, which uses maximum-paths, will never take place with OSPF default. Second, what you want is load-sharing with the scope of your OSPF _domain_, not the scope of one router. > >the hint knocked me over the head..:-> > >Nigel > -- "What Problem are you trying to solve?" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com "retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42175&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WS-C1900C [7:42173]
AFAIK, only if you're running Enterprise on the 1900s do you get the option [K] for command line, but I'm by no means the expert on this either Otherwise, it's menu-city, which isn't too bad once you learn your way around, but I still like the command line option. Mike W. "Steve Watson" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does this switch have the IOS based CLI as well as the menu? I know the > later 1900's do but am unsure of this earlier one. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42176&t=42173 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to b [7:42161]
Here's the DTE side (CAB-V35MT)... http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/sec1.htm#xtocid43 and here is the DCE side (CAB-V35FC)... http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/sec1.htm#xtocid40 or- buy this from one of many vendors on Ebay for $20 http://pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=CAB-HD60MMX-1 All the best !!! Phil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to back crossover [7:42140] The part number is that there isn't a part number because Cisco doesn't have such a cable. ""Jeffrey W. Hall"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does anyone know what the Cisco part number of the DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back > to back crossover cable? I realize the part number may be different based > on cable length, so let's use a 6 foot cable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeffrey W. Hall > Network Administrator, CCNP, SCSA, MCSE > U.S. Army Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42161&t=42161 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RSVP and VOIP [7:42095]
yes, but not on the AS5300. You need an H.323 Proxy and/or Gatekeeper >From: "Lupi, Guy" >Reply-To: "Lupi, Guy" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RSVP and VOIP [7:42095] >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:19:58 -0400 >Received: from [63.104.50.75] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE8B2B4000BF400438933F68324B0DA94; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:40:57 -0700 >Received: from localhost (mail@localhost)by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) >with SMTP id RAA29210;Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:39:10 -0400 >Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:20:01 >-0400 >Received: (from listserver@localhost)by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >RAA26590GroupStudy Mailer; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:19:58 -0400 >Received: (from mail@localhost)by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id >RAA26586GroupStudy Mailer; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:19:58 -0400 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:41:09 -0700 >Message-Id: >X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a >X-GroupStudy: Network Technical >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk > >I am having a little trouble getting rsvp with voip to work. I have a >setup >like below, all interfaces have rsvp enabled, some have more bandwidth >alloted than others, but all of them have a max single reservation of >10KBps. I make a call from r8 to r7 and can see the path messages from the >calling router (r8), but the called router doesn't seem to send the >reservation messages. Also, is there a way to define the amount of >bandwidth the VOIP peers want to reserve? I pasted my dial peer >configurations below, thanks. > > >r8r2-r6-r5--r7 > > >R8 > >dial-peer voice 1 pots > destination-pattern 14085... > port 1/0/0 >! >dial-peer voice 2 voip > destination-pattern 83222... > req-qos controlled-load > acc-qos controlled-load > session target ipv4:7.7.7.7 >! >num-exp 2... 83222... > >R7 > >dial-peer voice 2 voip > destination-pattern 14085... > req-qos controlled-load > acc-qos controlled-load > session target ipv4:8.8.8.8 >! >dial-peer voice 1 pots > destination-pattern 83222... > port 1/0/0 >! >num-exp 5... 14085... _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42165&t=42095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to back crossover [7:42179]
I have bought from symmic, and things have worked out well, too. Tom Larus ""Wow"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have bought some back to back cables from this place: > http://www.symmic.com/computer/cabcisco.htm > > pretty cheap and no problems. > > Dennis > > ""Jason"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The part number is that there isn't a part number because Cisco doesn't > have > > such a cable. > > > > ""Jeffrey W. Hall"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Does anyone know what the Cisco part number of the DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE > > back > > > to back crossover cable? I realize the part number may be different > based > > > on cable length, so let's use a 6 foot cable. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Jeffrey W. Hall > > > Network Administrator, CCNP, SCSA, MCSE > > > U.S. Army Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42179&t=42179 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
>question embedded within: > > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> >Howard, > > >I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" >> >command is >> >applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. It is >> >also >> >known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least preffered. >> >So based >> >on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter to >> >make >> >the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info >> >into the >> >ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. >> >> STOP! Using E1 is the answer, although I don't think you have the >> reason quite right. On the default-information originate command, >> use metric-type 1 and an equal metric on both routers. >> > > E1 considers the combined internal and external metric. If you make >> the external metrics equal, traffic in your network will go to the >> closest exit. If the network topology is reasonably well designed >> with the placement of your gateways, this should give approximate >> sharing of both internal resources and the ISP links. > >hhhm. > >I'm wondering how many readers of this thread fooled themselves by thinking >that the idea was to ensure per packet load sharing out the two ISP links? >which no doubt leads to suboptimal routing for a significant portion of >traffic, if my mental picture is correct. > >aren't the two goals - equal load sharing and optimal routing - mutually >exclusive here? In practice, no, if you think carefully where you place the ISP gateways. Typically, they should be at opposite geographical ends of your network, near heavy concentrations of users. That often causes load sharing by pure use distribution. It's certainly not per-packet between multiple routers. It's more per-destination for individual routers, CEF of course giving even better results than fast switching. The optimal routing to which we are referring is internal, not external. It presupposes the ISP links are of equal capacity. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42181&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
I have one more comment about reliability and load. As I stated before, they are dynamically calculated. It made some sense to take them into account with IGRP because of the regular updates every 90 seconds. A recipient router could maintain a somewhat real-time view of the reliability and load for a path and theoretically adjust to changes (select a path with better reliability and load). EIGRP only sends updates when there's a change, however. By then it's usually too late to be telling the other side about changes in reliability and load. The result could be pretty chaotic. Howard has discussed modern routing protocol principles in the past, so the archives probably have some good stuff on this. Regarding MTU, I've never gotten a straight answer on what the MTU is really used for in IGRP and EIGRP. We know it's not technically part of the calculation of the composite metric because of what we've learned about the K equation. But we do know that routers spread the info about MTU and you can see that they save info about it when you do a show ip eigrp top command. Is it just FYI?? I've read tons of material on EIGRP and never found an answer to this question that pops up every so often. Maybe you could do some lab testing? :-} I'm buried in other types of problems just now and can't do it. But what happens if you have two routes to a network that are both equal except for the MTU? Is the one with the higher MTU chosen?? Priscilla At 12:09 AM 4/21/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: >coming to check Groupstudy, I was going though a CCIE practice exam, and it >asks "What's used by EIGRP to determine the best path?" and for the answer >it lists all five items, not just the four (that we all agree are used in >metric computation). Now, given that we know the formula for the EIGRP >metric (that doesn't include MTU), and given the recent thread about which >routes are used in the routing table (i.e. routes with the longest mask, >lowest AD, etc), would you agree that the above sample question is >incorrect, or does EIGRP actually use MTU to aid in determining the best >path? If so, how/where? I'd like to know so I can get on to other issues >like MPLS, etc before I take this beta =) > >Regarding my comment about the recalculations related to K1-K5, I got it >now.. At first I was like "Why would there by any more recalcs than >normal", but as Kevin pointed out, load, etc can vary over time, whereas >bandwidth and delay are constant. Second, I was thinking "Okay, then I can >see that causing recalcs that affect the routing table, but the topology >table?", so I hopped into an EIGRP router and with "show ip eigrp top" saw >where I wasn't thinking. The topology table not only keeps the metric for a >given route and it's feasible successor, etc so yeah... now I get it =) > >I'm slow sometimes, but I usually come around =) > >Mike W. > >"Priscilla Oppenheimer" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Reliability and load are dynamically calculated. They change frequently. > > Their changes could cause the routing table to change too, maybe more than > > you would want. Delay and bandwidth are not dynamically calculated. > > >"Kevin Cullimore" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'd expect that the values they are multiplied by would change if they are > > truly based upon data derived from the interface counters, which are > > certainly subject to potentially vast fluctuations in absence of topology > > changes Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42182&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WS-C1900C [7:42173]
1924-A and 1924-EN are capable fo running CLI. 1924-A must have the firmware upgraded to Enterprise. Both switches are half the size of the 1900C, and have an rj45 console port, as opposed to the 9 pin console port. the 1900cs are not upgradeable to CLI. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42184&t=42173 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Diehm, Brian > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me > >> > to > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a > >> > CCIE > >> > to make? > >> > > >> > Brian D > >> > _ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _ > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > >_ > >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42185&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to back crossover [7:42186]
Just want to caution you on buying these cheap crossover cables. The ones mentioned refer to the kind of cable where the pins are NOT solid pins but two pins paired as one. The solid pins are ROUNDED tips whereas the paired ones of course are not. This makes a difference when you are removing/inserting the cable when working on different scenarios. If you are not careful, the paired pins can easily get split or bent and even worse chip the plastic casing of the serial interface on your router. Whereas with the rounded tip (just like the original Cisco cables) don't have this problem and are easier to work with. If i were you, I'd get the more expensive one which i've found only from networkhardware.com. If you still want to buy the cheaper ones, let me know off line and i'll sell you what i've got since i'm in the process of replacing all of those with the solid-pin type. HTH, Elmer - Original Message - From: "Wow" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Need Part # for DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE back to back crossover [7:42178] > I have bought some back to back cables from this place: > http://www.symmic.com/computer/cabcisco.htm > > pretty cheap and no problems. > > Dennis > > ""Jason"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The part number is that there isn't a part number because Cisco doesn't > have > > such a cable. > > > > ""Jeffrey W. Hall"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Does anyone know what the Cisco part number of the DB60 DTE to DB60 DCE > > back > > > to back crossover cable? I realize the part number may be different > based > > > on cable length, so let's use a 6 foot cable. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Jeffrey W. Hall > > > Network Administrator, CCNP, SCSA, MCSE > > > U.S. Army Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42186&t=42186 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TAC [7:42141]
What I meant was in the past, I have opened up cases for customers on a weekday, then come a weekend, the TAC engineer is gone until the next Mon. I was just curious if this was the norm. ""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I would presume that if you have a 7x24 onsite contract, you could expect > engineering support on a weekend. > > Do you mean someone looking at configurations, checking for bugs, replacing > failed hardware, what specifically? > > > > > ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Has anyone ever had TAC work on a weekend? How can I get an engineer on a > > weekend if I ever needed one? > > > > -- > > > > RFC 1149 Compliant. > > Get in my head: > > http://sar.dynu.com > > > > > > ""Craig Columbus"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > In my experience, either side can close the case. > > > > > > I've had TAC close cases that were not even close to being resolved. I > > > assume that there's some type of reward structure for closing cases > > quickly. > > > > > > On another topic, has anyone had the experience that TAC is perhaps > > > slipping a bit when it comes to the quality of the first line engineers? > > I > > > don't remember having any problems with TAC until about the time Cisco's > > > stock price started seriously dropping. Since that time, I've had > several > > > occurrences where I've had extremely rude and/or incompetent people > > > initially handle my TAC cases. In each instance, I've had to get rude > > back > > > and insist that they drop the case and transfer me to their > > > supervisor. Once transferred, I got the superior TAC support that I'm > > used > > > to. I spoke with a colleague about this, and he told me that he's had > > > exactly the same experience. What's been your experience? Has this > > > happened with increasing frequency to any of you? > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:28 AM 4/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >You have worked with TAC on a case. The problem is resolved. > > > > > > > >Who will close the case? The TAC engineer or the customer > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42188&t=42141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Session Timeout [7:42145]
Thank you for the warning for URL wrap. So, I need to type in two commands in order to set up session timeout: dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] exec timeout 0 0 By the way, are you using Steel Radius software from FUNK also? Not too many people are using this software. Have another question: Currently, I am using port 0 on AS5300. I want to add port 1 on AS5300. Can I copy the configuration information from port 0 to port 1? Let me know if you want me to post this question. Thanks very much for your help. Jill "Michael L. Williams" wrote: > Try, > > dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] > see: > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121newft/121 > t/121t2/dtidle.htm > > (watch for URL wrap) > > Also, we were having out dial-ups disconnect after a certain amount of time > even if there was activity due to an "exec-timeout" with non-zero values on > the physical lines. So I went into line config mode and did a "exec timeout > 0 0" and that stopped currently active lines from disconnecting. > > Mike W. > > "Jill Johnson" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I want to set timeout when there is no inactivity. We use this router > with > > the dial-up > > software Steel Radius from FUNK. Dial-up users never disconnect their > > computers. As a > > result, it is accumulating the telephone charges. FUNK software does not > > detect the > > inactivity. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Jill > > > > xie rootstock wrote: > > > > > of course, depend on which kind of timeout you are going to set Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42189&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Session Timeout [7:42145]
You will use the dialer idle-timeout command on the Dialer interface (or the Async interface if you're doing it that way), and use the exec timeout command on the line i.e. interface dialer 1 (or: interface async 1, etc) dialer idle-timeout 900 (900 seconds = 15 minutes... set to whatever you want) ! line 1 18 (we have 18 Mica digital modems installed so we reference them as line 1-18 but choose the lines that correspond to the Dialer/Async interface(s)) exec-timeout 0 0 When you were saying you use port 0 on the 5300, to what are you referring? Do you have a modem attached to an Async Serial line? What's your setup? Mike W. "Jill Johnson" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Thank you for the warning for URL wrap. So, I need to type in two commands > in order to > set up session timeout: > > dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] > exec timeout 0 0 > > By the way, are you using Steel Radius software from FUNK also? Not too > many people are > using this software. > > Have another question: Currently, I am using port 0 on AS5300. I want to > add port 1 > on AS5300. Can I copy the configuration information from port 0 to port 1? > Let me know > if you want me to post this question. > > Thanks very much for your help. > > Jill > > "Michael L. Williams" wrote: > > > Try, > > > > dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] > > > see: > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121newft/121 > > t/121t2/dtidle.htm > > > > (watch for URL wrap) > > > > Also, we were having out dial-ups disconnect after a certain amount of time > > even if there was activity due to an "exec-timeout" with non-zero values on > > the physical lines. So I went into line config mode and did a "exec > timeout > > 0 0" and that stopped currently active lines from disconnecting. > > > > Mike W. > > > > "Jill Johnson" wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I want to set timeout when there is no inactivity. We use this router > > with > > > the dial-up > > > software Steel Radius from FUNK. Dial-up users never disconnect their > > > computers. As a > > > result, it is accumulating the telephone charges. FUNK software does > not > > > detect the > > > inactivity. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > xie rootstock wrote: > > > > > > > of course, depend on which kind of timeout you are going to set Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42190&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
I think I see what you are getting to, Howard, but for the purpose of your scenario, are you assuming that the enterprise backbone construction makes sense? for example, in your case, are you assuming something like Seattle---PortlandSanFran---SanJose---LosAngeles---SanDiego with the ISP connections in SanDiego and Seattle, or better yet Portland and LosAngeles? What I'm seeing no matter how I try to construct this is that, for example, half of Seattle's traffic traverses the entire network to get to the LosAngeles egress while at the same time, half of SanDiego's traffic is going past LosAngeles, and up to Portland. Maybe I'm digressing. Maybe this isn't necessarily a good design. OTOH, it is a design that saves the company money due to the various pricing issues involved, no matter what the transport decision. ( interstate, inter-lata, inter-telco, etc ) tell me if I am off topic with regard to your puzzle. Chuck ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >question embedded within: > > > > > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> >Howard, > > > >I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" > >> >command is > >> >applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. It > is > >> >also > >> >known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least preffered. > >> >So based > >> >on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter to > >> >make > >> >the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info > >> >into the > >> >ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. > >> > >> STOP! Using E1 is the answer, although I don't think you have the > >> reason quite right. On the default-information originate command, > >> use metric-type 1 and an equal metric on both routers. > >> > > > E1 considers the combined internal and external metric. If you make > >> the external metrics equal, traffic in your network will go to the > >> closest exit. If the network topology is reasonably well designed > >> with the placement of your gateways, this should give approximate > >> sharing of both internal resources and the ISP links. > > > >hhhm. > > > >I'm wondering how many readers of this thread fooled themselves by thinking > >that the idea was to ensure per packet load sharing out the two ISP links? > >which no doubt leads to suboptimal routing for a significant portion of > >traffic, if my mental picture is correct. > > > >aren't the two goals - equal load sharing and optimal routing - mutually > >exclusive here? > > In practice, no, if you think carefully where you place the ISP > gateways. Typically, they should be at opposite geographical ends of > your network, near heavy concentrations of users. That often causes > load sharing by pure use distribution. It's certainly not per-packet > between multiple routers. It's more per-destination for individual > routers, CEF of course giving even better results than fast switching. > > The optimal routing to which we are referring is internal, not > external. It presupposes the ISP links are of equal capacity. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42192&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VPDN accounting problem [7:42193]
When a VPDN user disconnect connection,there is a release of accounting stop packet in LNS,but if there is also a release of acounnting stop packet in LAC. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42193&t=42193 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Undeliverable mail--"support them." [7:42194]
The following mail can't be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: support them. The attachment is the original mail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42194&t=42194 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Session Timeout [7:42145]
Thank you very much for your quick response and make it clear, Michael. We have ISDN line. I will try setup the session timeout tomorrow and will let you know if I have any problems/questions. Let me know if you want to see my configurations. > We use ISDN line on port 0. We attached the straight-through cable from port 0 on 5300 to the NIU (RJ48X). Let me know if I did not explain myself clearly. Let me know if you want me to e-mail you my configurations. What I want to do is to connect another straight-through cable from port 1 on 5300 to another NIU. The question that I had was how to do the Cisco configurations on port 1? Also, do I need to power off the 5300 before connecting port 1? What preparations do I need to do? Please let me know if I did not explain myself clearly. Thanks. Jill "Michael L. Williams" wrote: > You will use the dialer idle-timeout command on the Dialer interface (or the > Async interface if you're doing it that way), and use the exec timeout > command on the line > i.e. > > interface dialer 1 (or: interface async 1, etc) > dialer idle-timeout 900 (900 seconds = 15 minutes... set to whatever you > want) > ! > line 1 18 (we have 18 Mica digital modems installed so we reference > them as line 1-18 but choose the lines that correspond to the Dialer/Async > interface(s)) > exec-timeout 0 0 > > When you were saying you use port 0 on the 5300, to what are you referring? > Do you have a modem attached to an Async Serial line? What's your setup? > > Mike W. > > "Jill Johnson" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thank you for the warning for URL wrap. So, I need to type in two > commands > > in order to > > set up session timeout: > > > > dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] > > exec timeout 0 0 > > > > By the way, are you using Steel Radius software from FUNK also? Not too > > many people are > > using this software. > > > > Have another question: Currently, I am using port 0 on AS5300. I want to > > add port 1 > > on AS5300. Can I copy the configuration information from port 0 to port > 1? > > Let me know > > if you want me to post this question. > > > > Thanks very much for your help. > > > > Jill > > > > "Michael L. Williams" wrote: > > > > > Try, > > > > > > dialer idle-timeout seconds [inbound | either] > > > > > see: > > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121newft/121 > > > t/121t2/dtidle.htm > > > > > > (watch for URL wrap) > > > > > > Also, we were having out dial-ups disconnect after a certain amount of > time > > > even if there was activity due to an "exec-timeout" with non-zero values > on > > > the physical lines. So I went into line config mode and did a "exec > > timeout > > > 0 0" and that stopped currently active lines from disconnecting. > > > > > > Mike W. > > > > > > "Jill Johnson" wrote in message > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I want to set timeout when there is no inactivity. We use this > router > > > with > > > > the dial-up > > > > software Steel Radius from FUNK. Dial-up users never disconnect their > > > > computers. As a > > > > result, it is accumulating the telephone charges. FUNK software does > > not > > > > detect the > > > > inactivity. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > > > xie rootstock wrote: > > > > > > > > > of course, depend on which kind of timeout you are going to set Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42195&t=42145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
Based on chuck's diagram and the use of the "E1" ospf route I think this would be a matter of how the enterprise is designed and what type of links interconnect the various locations/sites. Simply using the "DIO" metric-type could allow for suboptimal routing as chuck noted. I realize that I was thinking that the enterprise should have dual default routes out to the ISP, when in fact by using the "E1" as howard pointed out, would allow each site to default to the nearest gateway based on the sum of the internal+external calculated by the E1 metric. So based on a well designed enterprise this would account for the individual traffic flows of each location/site to be balanced between the two ISP POPs. Wow.. this stuff is actually begining to make sense.. :-> Nigel >Reply-To: "Chuck" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:57:36 -0400 > >I think I see what you are getting to, Howard, but for the purpose of your >scenario, are you assuming that the enterprise backbone construction makes >sense? > >for example, in your case, are you assuming something like >Seattle---PortlandSanFran---SanJose---LosAngeles---SanDiego with the ISP >connections in SanDiego and Seattle, or better yet Portland and LosAngeles? > >What I'm seeing no matter how I try to construct this is that, for example, >half of Seattle's traffic traverses the entire network to get to the >LosAngeles egress while at the same time, half of SanDiego's traffic is >going past LosAngeles, and up to Portland. > >Maybe I'm digressing. Maybe this isn't necessarily a good design. OTOH, it >is a design that saves the company money due to the various pricing issues >involved, no matter what the transport decision. ( interstate, inter-lata, >inter-telco, etc ) > >tell me if I am off topic with regard to your puzzle. > >Chuck > > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > >question embedded within: > > > > > > > > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > >> >Howard, > > > > > I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" > > >> >command is > > >> >applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. >It > > is > > >> >also > > >> >known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least >preffered. > > >> >So based > > >> >on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter >to > > >> >make > > >> >the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info > > >> >into the > > >> >ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. > > >> > > >> STOP! Using E1 is the answer, although I don't think you have the > > >> reason quite right. On the default-information originate command, > > >> use metric-type 1 and an equal metric on both routers. > > >> > > > > E1 considers the combined internal and external metric. If you make > > >> the external metrics equal, traffic in your network will go to the > > >> closest exit. If the network topology is reasonably well designed > > >> with the placement of your gateways, this should give approximate > > >> sharing of both internal resources and the ISP links. > > > > > >hhhm. > > > > > >I'm wondering how many readers of this thread fooled themselves by >thinking > > >that the idea was to ensure per packet load sharing out the two ISP >links? > > >which no doubt leads to suboptimal routing for a significant portion of > > >traffic, if my mental picture is correct. > > > > > >aren't the two goals - equal load sharing and optimal routing - mutually > > >exclusive here? > > > > In practice, no, if you think carefully where you place the ISP > > gateways. Typically, they should be at opposite geographical ends of > > your network, near heavy concentrations of users. That often causes > > load sharing by pure use distribution. It's certainly not per-packet > > between multiple routers. It's more per-destination for individual > > routers, CEF of course giving even better results than fast switching. > > > > The optimal routing to which we are referring is internal, not > > external. It presupposes the ISP links are of equal capacity. > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42192&t=42139 >-- >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42196&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
See Inline... >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:03:20 -0400 > > >Howard, > > I think I see where you're going. The default on the "DIO" > >command is > >applying an "E2" to the default as it is sent into the enterprise. It is > >also > >known that by order of preference that "E2" routes are least preffered. > >So based > >on your hint.. I'm thinking making use of the "metric-type" parameter to > >make > >the default-route an "E1" metric which would provide known route info > >into the > >ISP's network. Nope..this isn't it. > >STOP! Using E1 is the answer, although I don't think you have the >reason quite right. On the default-information originate command, >use metric-type 1 and an equal metric on both routers. > >E1 considers the combined internal and external metric. If you make >the external metrics equal, traffic in your network will go to the >closest exit. If the network topology is reasonably well designed >with the placement of your gateways, this should give approximate >sharing of both internal resources and the ISP links. > >Again, this is outwards toward the ISP. Without BGP, you aren't >going to influence inbound sharing. Since we're using OSPF between the ISP POPs and the enterprise couldn't a case be made here for the use of well design IP scheme. This would allow for geographic/location specific summarization with the use of route-tagging/filtering to provide some control over in-bound traffic from the ISP into the enterprise. Thoughts.. anyone? Nigel > >In thinking about this even more when I was posting the very first > >time to this thread I taught..yes, that's it..but opt'd not to mention > >it. > >Now it dawns on me that the default nature of (cisco's)ospf is to use 4 > >equal-cost > >routes. So now "maximum-paths 2" sounds like the way to go. > > >No, for a couple of reasons. > >First, OSPF will generate only one external route to the same >destination in the same router. So load balancing on the same >router, which uses maximum-paths, will never take place with OSPF >default. > >Second, what you want is load-sharing with the scope of your OSPF >_domain_, not the scope of one router. > > > > >the hint knocked me over the head..:-> > > > >Nigel > > > >-- >"What Problem are you trying to solve?" >***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not >directly to me*** > >Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com >Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com >"retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42175&t=42139 >-- >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42197&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Slight digression on Scenario 5 -- choices on real-world policy [7:42198]
At 9:57 PM -0400 4/21/02, Chuck wrote: >I think I see what you are getting to, Howard, but for the purpose of your >scenario, are you assuming that the enterprise backbone construction makes >sense? > >for example, in your case, are you assuming something like >Seattle---PortlandSanFran---SanJose---LosAngeles---SanDiego with the ISP >connections in SanDiego and Seattle, or better yet Portland and LosAngeles? > >What I'm seeing no matter how I try to construct this is that, for example, >half of Seattle's traffic traverses the entire network to get to the >LosAngeles egress while at the same time, half of SanDiego's traffic is >going past LosAngeles, and up to Portland. I don't think we are communicating. Let me see if I can do some ASCII art. The external metrics are equal so you don't need to consider them. Again due to the graphics, I'm not going to try to show hierarchical structure. POP 1 POP2 Seattle..Portland.SF..SJ.LA..SD 10 10 10 10 10 With both POPs up, the exit costs are: POP1 POP2 Seattle 0 50 Portland 10 40 SF 20 30 SJ 30 20 LA 40 10 SD 500 So when both POPs are up, all traffic from Seattle, Portland, and San Fran exit from Seattle all traffic from San Jose, LA, and San Diego exit from San Diego. If either POP fails, all traffic goes back to the one operating POP, until the failed one starts advertising default again. This method does scale to multiple POPs and links with different metrics. > >Maybe I'm digressing. Maybe this isn't necessarily a good design. OTOH, it >is a design that saves the company money due to the various pricing issues >involved, no matter what the transport decision. ( interstate, inter-lata, >inter-telco, etc ) > >tell me if I am off topic with regard to your puzzle. > >Chuck Not really -- it does get into an example. If you used E2 routes in this example, with equal metrics, it would be pretty random where anything went. But let's say the ISPs are different, and you want ISP2 (SD) treated ONLY as a backup. You'd assign a cost of 10 to ISP1/Seattle and a cost of 20 to ISP2/SD. With both POPs up, With both POPs up, the exit costs are: ISP1 ISP2 Seattle 10 20 Portland 10 20 SF 10 20 SJ 10 20 LA 10 20 SD 10 20 - A metaquestion here: AFAIK, this is very real-world stuff that the CCIE lab is unlikely to get to. The lab prescribes your methods or leaves you only one real choice, and also doesn't tend to state WHY you need to do things one way. This is the sort of thing I'd do in Internet routing training, and in fact do in my two Wiley books. I happen to think this sort of knowledge, if you can demonstrate it, gives you a significant leg up for working for an ISP, or for an enterprise with extensive Internet connectivity. But it doesn't have an associated Cisco certification. Is it something that people/companies find meaningful (i.e., worth money)? I ask this, in part, because if I'm going to post methods scenarios and possibly get into them commercially, is this kind useful, or should I focus more on things likely to be on the lab? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42198&t=42198 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF [7:42139]
OSPF by default would inject the default route as an "E2" route in the routing table, but "E2" routes never take into account the cummaltive costs to the route originator. The answer to this would be for OSPF to inject the defualt route as an "E1" route. That way, the default route that would be chosen would take the cummative costs into consideration. The configuration step would add the term "metric-type 1" to the initial default info originate command. --- "Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > At 2:19 PM -0400 4/21/02, Nigel Taylor wrote: > >Yes, > > > >I forgot about the getting that default > route into the enterprise > >from the CE. That would leave the > "default-information orginate" . > > > >Nigel > > Nigel, thanks for continuing this thread, because > I'm finding the > interaction very informative, and will try to start > building it into > practice things. > > I think it was you that mentioned that it can be > hard to stop > thinking about configuration commands and look a > little more broadly > about the problem. Yes, in this case, you could use > > default-information originate. > > But think on the protocol/functionality level for a > moment. To get > both internal and external (i.e., to the ISP) load > balancing, what > information does the default route have to convey > into the > enterprise's OSPF? > > [hint follows] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about the parameters of default-information > originate, > especially the values it does by default (the other > kind of default, > that is). The answer lies in using a non-default > value of one > parameter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42199&t=42139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Letterman Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > a cow, man." > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > >To: "Brian Dennis" > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > >> > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up > >> going for a lot more. > >> > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > >> > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > >> ___ > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > >> > >> > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > >> > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > >> > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > >> > Scott Morris > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Matheus, Joshua > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > >> > without a > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > >> > enterprise > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder > >> > the > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > >> > last > >> > two months... $0 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> > Diehm, Brian > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > >> > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me > >> > to > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a > >> > CCIE > >> > to make? > >> > > >> > Brian D > >> > _ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _ > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > >_ > >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42200&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
I've heard so many stories about that. I wondering where that leaves the rest of us? -Original Message- From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:17 PM To: adam lee; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about it... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Larry Letterman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > a cow, man." > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part > of > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > >> > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > > >> going for a lot more. > > >> > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > >> > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > >> ___ > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > >> > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of > > >> > Scott Morris > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Matheus, Joshua > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > > >> > without a > > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > > >> > enterprise > > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you > ponder > > >> > the > > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > > >> > last > > >> > two months... $0 > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Diehm, Brian > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got > me > > >> > to > > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever > known a > > >> > CCIE > > >> > to make? > > >> > > > >> > Brian D > > >> > __
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
I agree...if one has a good deal of home equity here in the SV, you could pay cash for a house elsewhere and work cheaper and not have to worry about it... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "adam lee" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > It's all relative. Some folks here have been cashing out and moving to Sac > cause it's cheaper. Can't say that I blame them. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Larry Letterman > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > Housing is cheaper, so are the salaries... > > Larry Letterman > Cisco Systems > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] > > > > The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have > > a cow, man." > > > > > > >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing > is > > >much cheaper, though. :-) > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Manny Gonzalez" > > >To: "Brian Dennis" > > >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > > > > > > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part > of > > >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least > $2500/month. > > >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City > area > > >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are > [bargains] > > >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) > > >> > > >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) > can > > >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends > up > > >> going for a lot more. > > >> > > >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the > > >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. > > >> > > >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a > > >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... > > >> ___ > > >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 > > >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital > > >> > > >> > > >> Brian Dennis wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a > year. > > >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. > > >> > > > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of > > >> > Scott Morris > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM > > >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Matheus, Joshua > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM > > >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a > technical > > >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers > > >> > without a > > >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious > > >> > enterprise > > >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you > ponder > > >> > the > > >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM > > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the > > >> > last > > >> > two months... $0 > > >> > > > >> > -Original Message- > > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of > > >> > Diehm, Brian > > >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM > > >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) > > >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary > > >> > > > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got > me > > >> > to > > >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever > known a > > >> > CCIE > > >> > to make? > > >> > > > >> > Brian D > > >> > _ > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> _ > > >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html > > >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. > > >
Cisco 2503 Pro Access upgrading [7:42203]
Hi all, >From a customer I received a Cisco Pro Access 2503 router (Same like normal 2503 but only in a white chassis) I have upgraded the bootROM already and was trying to upgrade the router to version 12.1.9a for my home LAB. Unfortunately the router responds after the upgade with a message that the software does not support the hardware and reboots . Does anybody know how to upgrade this router ? Do I need to hack it somewhere since I know that something has been done with these access pro boxes .. Cheers Ronald Tha netherlands Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42203&t=42203 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cracking a Cache-Director [7:42204]
Hi group, This might be abit unusual to ask on a cisco mailing list but im gone all hands up with this problem. I have an Alteon Cache-Director. The problem is that I have lost its password and JUST DONT HAVE ANY CLUE how to crack it. If anyone has any clue about this please do tell me. I will be really very thankful. Regards Alam Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42204&t=42204 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
