boson tests??
hi everyone I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP. just exactly what are the everso famous Boson Tests?? I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd Lamel...are they any good? they did a great job in preparing me for my CCNA cert. Just what exactly are them Boson tests? and where can I get some?? much thanks _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BOSON Tests
Does anyone know how to find the product ID and Registration #. I downloaded the CCNA samples and cannot find those numbers to order the 3 CCNA tests from Boson. Any help, Much Appreciated. Jess _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests
Is there anyway to print all of the test questions that are included with the Boson tests? Tia, Jess _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson tests
Hi all, I've used the Boson tests for BCMSN (test #1, Harder than the actual exam, which use great!). But now its time for BCRAN and BSCN, which will be done over the next month. Can anyone please give feed back to the group on which tests they have found usefull and why for the above tests. Just as a side point we have installed the Boson tests on to our Meta Frame server so that we can access the tests remotely on the weekend before sittings the tests. This works great and gets around the single installation problem. In talking with Boson we made sure we had the correct lics. Thanks in Adv. Rod **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson tests
Does anyone know the difference between the two Boson tests for ACRC. They market it as ACRC#1 and ACRC#2. I have been informed that ACRC#1 is outdated. Any info would be appreciated Sanjay ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests
Can anyone that has used the Boson Tests for the CCNA, provide feedback. Was it a good study aid? Would you say it helped in passing the test? Or would you say that the books (Lammle and Chappell) were enough? Thanks, Charles R. Gatrelle This email is intended for the named recipient(s) only and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. Nothing in this email is intended to constitute a waiver of any privilege or the confidentiality of this message. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by reply and delete this message. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests
Hello there... Would someone tell me where I may find information about the Boson Tests that appear to be recommended. Thank you. DS ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boson tests??
www.boson.com - Original Message - From: Kyle Sie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: boson tests?? > hi everyone > > I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP. just exactly what are the > everso famous Boson Tests?? I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd > Lamel...are they any good? they did a great job in preparing me for my CCNA > cert. Just what exactly are them Boson tests? and where can I get some?? > > much thanks > > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boson tests??
Kyle, I started preparing for the CCNP routing exam last Spring. I read two ACRC books published by Cisco. Then in the Summer I missed the deadline for taking the version 1 exam. I was again ready to prepare for the version 2 exam in October and I looked at several books. I purchased the Exam Cram Routing book while I was waiting for the Cisco Press publication to hit the streets. Looking back I thought the Exam Cram book was a good exam prep type book until I read the one by Paquet and Teare. The BSCN Cisco publication by Catherine Paquet and Diane Teare came out in early November and it totally eclipsed the ACRC books and the Exam Cram Routing book. Paquet and Teare have done an excellent job in writing a clear, concise Routing course book. The labs are excellent and do-able. This book will be in my reference library as a permanent resident. I am at the end stage in preparing for the Routing exam, I am scheduled to take it this Thursday. I bought the Boson CCNP practice exams and have been taking them for the past two weeks. The exams are a good drill for going back over the material I have read in the text (looking up the details in items I missed). They are also a good way to learn the commands when you must type them in as the answer to the test questions. The exam questions are rather simple and I hear that the real thing has questions that require reasoning. Overall the Boson exams are accurate, I have found a couple BGP questions on topics not covered in the Cisco Press book and a couple actual errors and some that are not scored properly. I will be a better judge of their effectiveness after Thursday morning. HTH, Tom -- Tom Keough MCSE CCNA AT&T Global Network Solutions Standard Access Management Managed Router Service Tier 2 Technical Support Tampa, Florida ""Kyle Sie"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > hi everyone > > I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP. just exactly what are the > everso famous Boson Tests?? I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd > Lamel...are they any good? they did a great job in preparing me for my CCNA > cert. Just what exactly are them Boson tests? and where can I get some?? > > much thanks > > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boson tests??
Kyle, Let me know how you do. PEACE Raheem >From: "Tom Keough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Tom Keough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: boson tests?? >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:25:44 -0500 > >Kyle, >I started preparing for the CCNP routing exam last Spring. I read two ACRC >books published by Cisco. Then in the Summer I missed the deadline for >taking the version 1 exam. I was again ready to prepare for the version 2 >exam in October and I looked at several books. I purchased the Exam Cram >Routing book while I was waiting for the Cisco Press publication to hit the >streets. Looking back I thought the Exam Cram book was a good exam prep >type book until I read the one by Paquet and Teare. The BSCN Cisco >publication by Catherine Paquet and Diane Teare came out in early November >and it totally eclipsed the ACRC books and the Exam Cram Routing book. >Paquet and Teare have done an excellent job in writing a clear, concise >Routing course book. The labs are excellent and do-able. This book will >be >in my reference library as a permanent resident. > >I am at the end stage in preparing for the Routing exam, I am scheduled to >take it this Thursday. I bought the Boson CCNP practice exams and have >been >taking them for the past two weeks. The exams are a good drill for going >back over the material I have read in the text (looking up the details in >items I missed). They are also a good way to learn the commands when you >must type them in as the answer to the test questions. The exam questions >are rather simple and I hear that the real thing has questions that require >reasoning. Overall the Boson exams are accurate, I have found a couple BGP >questions on topics not covered in the Cisco Press book and a couple actual >errors and some that are not scored properly. I will be a better judge of >their effectiveness after Thursday morning. > >HTH, >Tom > >-- >Tom Keough MCSE CCNA >AT&T Global Network Solutions >Standard Access Management >Managed Router Service >Tier 2 Technical Support >Tampa, Florida >""Kyle Sie"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > hi everyone > > > > I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP. just exactly what are the > > everso famous Boson Tests?? I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd > > Lamel...are they any good? they did a great job in preparing me for my >CCNA > > cert. Just what exactly are them Boson tests? and where can I get >some?? > > > > much thanks > > > > > >_ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BOSON Tests
Open up one test at a time. Click on the, order full version button, select manual registraion, accept the terms and conditions,click on next and voila the product id is on the first line and the registration no. is below. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: BOSON Tests >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:00:16 EST > >Does anyone know how to find the product ID and Registration #. I >downloaded >the CCNA samples and cannot find those numbers to order the 3 CCNA tests >from >Boson. > >Any help, Much Appreciated. > > >Jess > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests
You can print each one as it is viewed but not at once as a big print job... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is there anyway to print all of the test questions that are included with the > Boson tests? > > Tia, > > Jess > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests
It's a little kludgy, but... What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and CTRL-V to paste the text. Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a laptop into the hotel just to review. -Austin (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Boson Tests
It's a little kludgy, but... What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and CTRL-V to paste the text. Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a laptop into the hotel just to review. -Austin > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Full-name: AWTroxell > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:32 EST > Subject: Re: Boson Tests > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary" > Content-Disposition: Inline > X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 > > > --part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > It's a little kludgy, but... > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and > CTRL-V to paste the text. > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a > laptop into the hotel just to review. > > -Austin > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > --part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > It's a little kludgy, but... > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to >take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson >test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, >select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and >CTRL-V to paste the text. > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a >laptop into the hotel just to review. > > -Austin > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > --part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary-- > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests
Yes you can print every question from BOSON. However, it is very time comsuming. You like many people (myself included) find it easier to study from printed items. I have printed every question and studied for the printed items - in fact many times it works out quite well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway to print all of the test questions that are included with the Boson tests? Tia, Jess _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson tests
Hi, I used the Boson test for BCRAN (test #1) and I found it very useful. The questions were almost the same as in the BCRAN exam. -Tapani- Rod Christie wrote: > Hi all, > > I've used the Boson tests for BCMSN (test #1, Harder than the actual exam, > which use great!). But now its time for BCRAN and BSCN, which will be done > over the next month. > > Can anyone please give feed back to the group on which tests they have found > usefull and why for the above tests. > > Just as a side point we have installed the Boson tests on to our Meta Frame > server so that we can access the tests remotely on the weekend before > sittings the tests. This works great and gets around the single installation > problem. In talking with Boson we made sure we had the correct lics. > > Thanks in Adv. > > Rod > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson tests
Quote from http://www.boson.com Each test is packed with 200+ questions and explanations written by a different author. This gives you different perspectives for each practice test. Examples: > Buy Test #1 for $29.95 and have 200+ questions by Author #1. > Buy Test #2 for an additional $29.95 and have another 200+ questions by Author #2. > Buy Test #3 for an additional $29.95 and have yet another 200+ questions by Author #3. Unquote Ole ~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ > -Original Message- > From: Sanjay Dalal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Boson tests > > > Does anyone know the difference between the two Boson tests for ACRC. > They market it as ACRC#1 and ACRC#2. > > I have been informed that ACRC#1 is outdated. > > Any info would be appreciated > > Sanjay > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests
I used boson and Lammle and got an 869. I'd recommend them. Adam Hickey CCNA MCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Charles Gatrelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Boson Tests >Can anyone that has used the Boson Tests for the CCNA, provide feedback. >Was it a good study aid? Would you say it helped in passing the test? Or >would you say that the books (Lammle and Chappell) were enough? > >Thanks, > >Charles R. Gatrelle > >This email is intended for the named recipient(s) only and may contain >information that is privileged and/or confidential. Nothing in this email is >intended to constitute a waiver of any privilege or the confidentiality of >this message. If you have received this email in error, please notify me >immediately by reply and delete this message. > > > > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests
I pass the exam with 8xx score. For simple question is good enough, but hardest question(truly hard not include any reading material) not cover in Boson test. Lammle book miss out a lot of wan protcol material. For my recommendation, you read Lammle Book and ICRC book. By using your clear mind clear CCNA test. Rex Chan MCP, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, CCNA "Adam Hickey" wrote in message <01bfd64b$40ef9e80$d8771ee2@noc6>... >I used boson and Lammle and got an 869. I'd recommend them. > >Adam Hickey >CCNA MCP >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-Original Message- >From: Charles Gatrelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:47 PM >Subject: Boson Tests > > >>Can anyone that has used the Boson Tests for the CCNA, provide feedback. >>Was it a good study aid? Would you say it helped in passing the test? Or >>would you say that the books (Lammle and Chappell) were enough? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Charles R. Gatrelle >> >>This email is intended for the named recipient(s) only and may contain >>information that is privileged and/or confidential. Nothing in this email >is >>intended to constitute a waiver of any privilege or the confidentiality of >>this message. If you have received this email in error, please notify me >>immediately by reply and delete this message. >> >> >> >> >> >>___ >>UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >--- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests
groupstudy archives -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dick Silva Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Boson Tests Hello there... Would someone tell me where I may find information about the Boson Tests that appear to be recommended. Thank you. DS ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson tests for CIT
Does anyone have any experience with the Boson tests for CIT? I have used them in the past and have found that some are better then others. Can anyone tell me which would be worth my while to buy? Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is my last test to complete my CCNP. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Boson Tests
It's a little kludgy, but... What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and CTRL-V to paste the text. Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a laptop into the hotel just to review. -Austin (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Boson Tests
It's a little kludgy, but... What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the = Boson test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc = and CTRL-V to paste the text. Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep = a laptop into the hotel just to review. -Austin (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Boson Tests
I cant get that to work Duck - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > It's a little kludgy, but... > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and > CTRL-V to paste the text. > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a > laptop into the hotel just to review. > > -Austin > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printing Boson Tests
If you do a ALT-PRINTSCREEN, it will copy the active window, you can then open an application where you can paste graphics like Word, and press CTRL-V (paste). Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests I cant get that to work Duck - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > It's a little kludgy, but... > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the Boson > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc and > CTRL-V to paste the text. > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep a > laptop into the hotel just to review. > > -Austin > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Boson Tests
Hey, why dont you guys cut and paste the Q&A's into an email and send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks >From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0800 > >I cant get that to work >Duck >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > > > > It's a little kludgy, but... > > > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers >to > > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the >Boson > > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, > > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc >and > > CTRL-V to paste the text. > > > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to >schlep >a > > laptop into the hotel just to review. > > > > -Austin > > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing Boson Tests
your kidding right i got an acre and a half for a back lawn if you come on over you can mow it and i will give you 30 bucks. but bring your own water my wife don't let the help on the carpet Duck - Original Message - From: yea.. ... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > Hey, why dont you guys cut and paste the Q&A's into an email and send it to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Thanks > > > >From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0800 > > > >I cant get that to work > >Duck > >----- Original Message - > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM > >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests > > > > > > > It's a little kludgy, but... > > > > > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers > >to > > > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the > >Boson > > > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click, > > > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc > >and > > > CTRL-V to paste the text. > > > > > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to > >schlep > >a > > > laptop into the hotel just to review. > > > > > > -Austin > > > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile) > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests for BSCN
I just brought the Boson tests for the BSCN and took the first test. I did well considering I still have a bunch of BGP studying to do. The test seemed kinda easy(or I'm just smarter than I thawt :-O). My question is to those who have used these tests and taken the BSCN. Are the questions generally easier on the Boson than on the real exam? If they are representative of what's on the exam then I'll be placing a call to Sylvan sooner than I thought. Thanks, Keith _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BOSON Tests on BSCN...!
Has anybody used BOSON Tests for BSCN...? How good are they...? Can somebody respond..! TIA Kiran __ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests (Which ones?)
I have used the Boson test before and liked them but now I was wondering if anyone might advise on the best ones to purchase--I am going for CCNP--I had CMTD and CMTD expansion and ACRC 1 from Boson but I may lose them as I am switching computers. I notice that now there are many more courses listed at Boson--I dont recognize the teachers though.. Are there any you would suggest either positively or negatively? thanks stuart As an aside has anyone tried the other tests Boson offers like Linux or Nortel etc? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests for CID?
Can anyone who has used these tests tell me which one is the best to buy? Test one or test two? Thanks Jim Newton Data Design Engineer SBC Ameritech Wk. 608-259-2454 Pager 608-559-3288 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is a good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill in the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the ACRC prep. Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) Any other opinions out there? labjr ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson tests for CIT
Christian, congratulations on your progress!, I too am at the same point with CIT left to go for CCNP. I am using Boson and am finding them to be quite helpful in preparing me for the exam. They really drive home the basics and pound debugging and other commands as well as troubleshooting methods into your head and for some reason the #2 test is the most challenging (to me). I am also using Ciscopress's Support book with CD and 200 exam questions and it is a must, even as a resource later on. I hope this helps and best of luck!!! "Wilson, Christian" wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with the Boson tests for CIT? I have used > them in the past and have found that some are better then others. Can > anyone tell me which would be worth my while to buy? Any help would be > greatly appreciated as this is my last test to complete my CCNP. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson tests for CIT
Quick and dirty review. The tests are not 1 for 1 to the actual exam but, they are about as close as you can get without Boson violating the infamous Cisco Non-Disclosure Agreement. I found the Boson CIT and ACRC tests were actually harder than the Cisco Exam so it was a pleasant surprise when I passed the exams. As a recommendation, I have used Boson tests on every Cisco certification that I have passed. The only negative comment I have is on the CID tests. I haven't had much luck with those but, Boson has revised them so, it seems to be a timing issue. I also had problems with the book that I studied originally from . Now that I have the CID book from Cisco and the revised Boson tests, I should be able to pass the CID exam in no time. Boson's test authors are responsive to correcting mistakes. I usually get a response within 8 hours, unless I send a an email at 8:00PM. Additionally, the authors are always ask about ways to improve their product and listen to suggestions. So, if you need some help and give them some constructive feedback they usually get right on it. The CIT exam is not difficult if you have the right study material and study Vigorously for it. I used the books from Cisco and by the one written by T. Thomas from McGaw Hill, all three Boson Tests and the Cisco website. I'd suggest that if you are doing self-studying that you use both books. It takes a little more time but you'll get two perspectives that will help you with retention and understanding. The CIT exam is not for the faint of heart or for folks with Attention Defect Syndrome. At first I was disappointed that Cisco asked fairly convoluted questions until I realized that Cisco is testing you ability to sort out the real issues in the minutia as well as your technical knowledge. Good luck on the CIT exam. JH A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCNP, CCDA, some other crap, and hopefully a CCDP soon ;-) P.S. I am using Boson's CCIE practice tests too. ""Wilson, Christian"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does anyone have any experience with the Boson tests for CIT? I have used > them in the past and have found that some are better then others. Can > anyone tell me which would be worth my while to buy? Any help would be > greatly appreciated as this is my last test to complete my CCNP. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests for Remote Access
I intend to take the Remote Access test next week and have heard good things about the Boson tests for other CCNP exams. Has anyone either of the BCRAN tests? If they are good which of the two would you recommend? Thanks in advance, Nathan Miller _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson tests for CCNP 2.0
How good are the Boson Cisco tests for Roouting 2.0
Re: Boson Tests for BSCN
i used boson #2 and 3, did 95% consistently on them and passed BSCN with 850. -jm ""Keith Townsend"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8tpht7$5oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tpht7$5oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I just brought the Boson tests for the BSCN and took the first test. I did > well considering I still have a bunch of BGP studying to do. The test > seemed kinda easy(or I'm just smarter than I thawt :-O). My question is to > those who have used these tests and taken the BSCN. Are the questions > generally easier on the Boson than on the real exam? If they are > representative of what's on the exam then I'll be placing a call to Sylvan > sooner than I thought. > > Thanks, > > Keith > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests for BSCN
I used Boson #1 and #3, passed BSCN 3 days ago. I also took the 5 day class and put in about 2 weeks of additional study. Good luck with the exam. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests for BSCN
Jeff McCoy wrote: > > i used boson #2 and 3, did 95% consistently on them and passed BSCN with > 850. > -jm > > ""Keith Townsend"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8tpht7$5oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tpht7$5oo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I just brought the Boson tests for the BSCN and took the first test. I > did > > well considering I still have a bunch of BGP studying to do. The test > > seemed kinda easy(or I'm just smarter than I thawt :-O). My question is > to > > those who have used these tests and taken the BSCN. Are the questions > > generally easier on the Boson than on the real exam? If they are > > representative of what's on the exam then I'll be placing a call to Sylvan > > sooner than I thought. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Keith > > > > > > _ > I used Boson BSCN Test#1 because I'd been studying various sources and had no way to guage my readiness for the real exam. I found the Boson test helpful in showing me a few areas I was still weak in, then went in and passed the real deal w/ a 919. Like the other Cisco exams I'd taken, the real test was very different from the practice one; but IF you use the practice test as a learning tool so that you actually understand the material, then whatever format or viewpoint the question presents is not much of an issue. -- Dan Henry CCNA, CCDA Network Engineer II Broadwing, Inc. / ZoomTown.Com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BOSON Tests on BSCN...!
Title: RE: BOSON Tests on BSCN...! Very good - You need to be getting 100% on Boson before attempting the exam. Know BGP well! Good Luck Luke -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BOSON Tests on BSCN...! Has anybody used BOSON Tests for BSCN...? How good are they...? Can somebody respond..! TIA Kiran __ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BOSON Tests on BSCN...!
Boson test is so hard! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Has anybody used BOSON Tests for BSCN...? > > How good are they...? Can somebody respond..! > > TIA > > Kiran > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BOSON Tests on BSCN...!
That is why it's good. A lot of people complain that it's hard and it has a lot of information you don't need to pass the exam... I think this is how all test preparation tools should be designed. ""GNOME"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8tumf3$gvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tumf3$gvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Boson test is so hard! > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Has anybody used BOSON Tests for BSCN...? > > > > How good are they...? Can somebody respond..! > > > > TIA > > > > Kiran > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BOSON Tests on BSCN...!
I agree this test was very good. The others for the CCNP track are not however. The BCRAN and Switching tests were not relevant to the material being test over so save your money on those. I'm looking at the CCPrep.com folks for other tests. I understand that their people go down and take the tests every two months to see if they are in the ballpark or not. ""Kenneth"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8tun5n$jdt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tun5n$jdt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That is why it's good. A lot of people complain that it's hard and it has a > lot of information you don't need to pass the exam... I think this is how > all test preparation tools should be designed. > > > ""GNOME"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8tumf3$gvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tumf3$gvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Boson test is so hard! > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Has anybody used BOSON Tests for BSCN...? > > > > > > How good are they...? Can somebody respond..! > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > > > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests and CIT Exam
I would appreciate an OPINION on the Boson tests and how close they are to the actual CIT/Support Exam. I have purchased almost all of their other exams and find that the exams are starting to slip in terms of quality and relevance. Thank you for your assistance in advance. John Huston [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests (Which ones?)
I used the Boson exams (1st one, not the expansions) for each of the CCNP exams.. they were pretty helpful in that they test your knowledge.. some tests reflect some questions on the actual exam.. but don't rely on that, just use them to quiz yourself. They have a practice exam for each of the courses in the CCNP track (1.0, not sure if they have all the 2.0 exams). Also, if your changing machines (ie: work gave you a laptop) then email boson support and explain your situation.. they were very helpful when I swapped machines.. Not sure about the Nortel exams.. Hope that helps.. Russ.. ""Stuart Laubstein"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have used the Boson test before and liked them but now I was wondering if > anyone might advise on the best ones to purchase--I am going for CCNP--I had > CMTD and CMTD expansion and ACRC 1 from Boson but I may lose them as I am > switching computers. I notice that now there are many more courses listed at > Boson--I dont recognize the teachers though.. Are there any you would > suggest either positively or negatively? > > thanks > > stuart > > > As an aside has anyone tried the other tests Boson offers like Linux or > Nortel etc? > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
Great insight. Does the Boson ACRC Test1 cover the 640 - 403 exam. How much does it cost. Thanks RahSta >From: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:06:30 -0500 > >The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's >syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is >a >good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the >questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > >The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a >number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not >appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill >in >the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize >the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the >blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the >ACRC prep. > > >Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > >Any other opinions out there? > >labjr > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
I second this opinion. "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's > syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is a > good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the > questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > > The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a > number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not > appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill in > the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize > the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the > blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the > ACRC prep. > > > Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > > Any other opinions out there? > > labjr > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
some boson trivia. I was checking out the cramsession message boards for CIT this morning and one of the responses I read (it was an intelligent one, too) was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] He had the ccie letters in his .sig along with some other stuff like mcse+i so I guess they have a reasonable technical foundation for producing their products, assuming he's not the only techie contributor. dave "gotta pass cit real soon" h -Original Message- From: info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion I second this opinion. "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's > syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is a > good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the > questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > > The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a > number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not > appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill in > the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize > the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the > blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the > ACRC prep. > > > Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > > Any other opinions out there? > > labjr > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
It costs $29.00 and cover 640-403. labjr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rah Sta Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion Great insight. Does the Boson ACRC Test1 cover the 640 - 403 exam. How much does it cost. Thanks RahSta >From: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:06:30 -0500 > >The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's >syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is >a >good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the >questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > >The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a >number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not >appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill >in >the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize >the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the >blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the >ACRC prep. > > >Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > >Any other opinions out there? > >labjr > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
Thank you for the feedback. I love groupstudy. PEACE RahSta >From: "Louie Belt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Rah Sta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:27:44 -0500 > >It costs $29.00 and cover 640-403. > >labjr > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Rah Sta >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:06 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion > > >Great insight. Does the Boson ACRC Test1 cover the 640 - 403 exam. How much >does it cost. Thanks > > > > RahSta > > > >From: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion > >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:06:30 -0500 > > > >The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's > >syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It >is > >a > >good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the > >questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > > > >The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a > >number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not > >appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill > >in > >the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize > >the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the > >blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the > >ACRC prep. > > > > > >Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > > > >Any other opinions out there? > > > >labjr > > > >___ > >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion
Does anyone share the same opinion about the Boson FRS Exams? Is it as good a preparatory aid for that exam? Roy -Original Message- From: info To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/31/00 2:15 PM Subject: Re: ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion I second this opinion. "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money. It's > syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco. It is a > good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the > questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices. > > The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark. It included a > number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not > appropriate for the ACRC. It also included a number of more obscure fill in > the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize > the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the > blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time). It was of little use in the > ACRC prep. > > > Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required) > > Any other opinions out there? > > labjr > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CIPT Boson tests [7:48617]
Hi everybody, I am planing to do CIPT exam. Does anybody know which set of exam is good on Boson out of test #1, 2 and 3. Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks SF Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48617&t=48617 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson tests are poor for preparation!
Do not use Boson tests. They do not prepare you for the BSCN exam! They simply have no resemblence to the real thing. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIPT Boson tests [7:48617]
I always buy the ones that are authored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I generally find his pool of questions to be written better with the answers and explanations very detailed and accurate. Of course, I always blow through all of the demo versions first to get a feel for them...it just seems like I always prefer the ones clay authors. Just my opinion. Vance "" SF"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi everybody, > > I am planing to do CIPT exam. Does anybody know which set of exam is good on > Boson out of test #1, 2 and 3. > Any comments greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > SF Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48653&t=48617 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIPT Boson tests [7:48617]
Thanks a lot Vance. Regards Sonal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48901&t=48617 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests
Title: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests Hey guys, Just checking to see with the recent rash of people that have passed this test, if you used boson at all, if you thought test 1, 2, 3 was most similar to the cisco exam thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin:Â 1684328
CCIE written and BOSON tests [7:2840]
Pre-CCIE written folks, Instead of continually responing to the same question, I will answer it here: I passed the CCIE written by using ALL 3 of the BOSON tests. I cannot really say which test had more questions in relation to the actual exam, but suffice it to say that instead of asking me which one of the three is the best, you should plunk down the measly $90 and buy all three. Isn't the point of this to gain knowledge and become excellent at what you do through that knowledge? Spend time going through all 600+ questions(some are repetitive) and learn not only the answers, but the why; use the referenced links to Cisco's website and/or Caslow book. You can never study too much material as long as it's relevant to your future success. Right? Oh, and don't take this to mean that the BOSON's will be enough to pass alone, you need some good fundamentals in networking and a couple of the better books out there. I suggest the new CCIE TCP/IP volume II book by Cisco Press, and Volume II caslow book. Read and remember! Good Luck Scott _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2840&t=2840 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639]
I too recently passed my written CCIE. I would go so far to say that the Boson tests push the limits in terms of ethical test preparation. I would say there were approximately five questions on the practice exams that were right out of the Cisco test. Most of these questions were worded almost exactly the same as they were in the CCIE written and the material they touched on was pretty esoteric. Brent Gardner Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26639&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
I'm responding to Shawn's "Boson Tests border on Unethical" post because CertificationZone.com does market Practice Exams that do help prepare users for Cisco's CCNA, CCIE, and CCNP Routing and Switching tests but we do not ask our Authors to "get their questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exam". Here's why: CertificationZone.com publishes Study Guides that address the key technical topics our users must master to earn their CCNA, CCNP, and CCIE certifications. Each month, we introduce new Study Guides written by experts in the topics they address. The purpose of a Study Guide is to examine and explain the key technical concepts of the featured topic and to provide the reader with tools that can be used to assess their comprehension of that topic. One such assessment tool included in every ZONE Study Guide is a set of approximately 25 Study Questions, written by the same expert. Along with the correct answer, each Question is accompanied by a complete Explanation. Every ZONE Study Question and Explanation is first technically reviewed by a qualified networking professional, then reviewed for grammar and punctuation, and finally undergoes a review for user friendliness. What's the purpose of our user friendliness review? We have a very competent MIS professional who knows just a little about networking read each question and explanation to make sure he can understand what is being asked by the question and explained by the explanation. The vast majority of the over 2,000 questions that feed the ZONE's on-line Exam Engine were, therefore, originally written as Study Guide Questions. And that's the key difference between the ZONE series of Practice Tests for Cisco exams and everyone else's. Instead of helping you memorize, ZONE exams force you to think. Our questions are harder than those you'll encounter on the real test, but they are easier to read and well-explained. We like to tell people who ask about ZONE exams that they learn more flunking one of ours than they will learn passing five of their's. Of course, we're not perfect. We make mistakes. And I'm sure we have questions in our database that are very similar to those you'll see on Boson exams or Cisco's for that matter. But I want to make sure the members of this forum understand that I do not agree with Shawn Kaminski's statement. CertificationZone.com does do things differently than Boson and other Practice Exam providers because we are much more than a provider of practice exams. And I also don't mean to insinuate that Boson does ask their authors to do anything unethical. I only know how the ZONE's Practice Exams are created. >It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests are done by >different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get their >questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exams, if not >right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state right in their >author contract that they are not responsible for exams that contain >questions that break the NDA. The author will be held responsible. It's not >like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for NDA violations. >Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam questions, the more >exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, "Boson Test #2 is >the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything different than >any other company selling certification practice exams. It's a ridiculously >huge, cut-throat, and competitive market out there for study materials. > >Shawn > >-Original Message- >From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:28 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > >I thought about that after I took the exam, but there was something else I >noticed when taking the boson tests. Try taking one of the more popular CCIE >prep books, or maybe even the CCIE Professional Development books, and go >through a section. (Not a chapter, but one section of a chapter). Then, try >to think of 5 questions you could ask someone that would test their >comprehension of that section. I'm willing to bet that 4 of those 5 >questions you thought of will show up, worded slightly differently, on the >boson tests, and 1 or 2 of those 5 questions are in the test bank for the >written. > >Just my .02 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Gardner, Brent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:07 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] >> >> >> I too recently pass
Re:ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26969]
Just my inputs to all the CCIE written aspirants with respect to these 2 tests - I have both and heres my view of them Zone : A direct attack on your BASICS of the subject - so that means if yu can "Memorise" all the pkt sizes and LSA types etc - yu DONT stand a chance with these tests cause they really test your KNOWLEDGE of the subject area - thats why I enjoyed doing them cause they really rocked you on your fundamentals !! - which is what i really wanted - so you can imagine that out fo the 12 tests that I itook I must have failed in 8 of them before i started nearing a passable mark ; which sent my heart racing and my confidence shaking - but thats what they are out there for and they must rank as one of the BEST tools out there for the CCIE prep. BOSON Very good from an Exam-Prep point of view - wide in coverage but not too 'twisted"in nature to shake you on your fundamnetals. So do it I guess closer to the exams What I liked about the Boson tests were that they always gave yu a link to the cisco site for the subject matter they were testing you on - so that sometimes gives yu a different view of the technology which helped me a lot at times - a different view points - so review their answers on every question its a great guide ! So if yu are purely exam bound then its Boson for you but if yu want to really get rock hard on yur fundamentals - then its the Zone's papers !1 Good luck !! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26969&t=26969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26969]
>Just my inputs to all the CCIE written aspirants with respect to these 2 >tests - I have both and heres my view of them > >Zone : >A direct attack on your BASICS of the subject - so that means if yu can >"Memorise" all the pkt sizes and LSA types etc - yu DONT stand a chance with >these tests cause they really test your KNOWLEDGE of the subject area - thats >why I enjoyed doing them cause they really rocked you on your fundamentals !! >- which is what i really wanted - so you can imagine that out fo the 12 tests >that I itook I must have failed in 8 of them before i started nearing a >passable mark ; which sent my heart racing and my confidence shaking - but >thats what they are out there for and they must rank as one of the BEST tools >out there for the CCIE prep. I think that's a fair assessment. The Zone tests are really intended as CCIE preparation, not just preparation for the written. Oh, with a consistently passing score, you should be fine on the written, but I try to encourage having questions that will give insight into the lab test as well. Bruce Caslow has always posed questions about assessing the lab problem and getting the sense of the solution. While he is not involved with CertZone, his strategy is wise and enters into my design of questions and tutorials. I do highly recommend his books. > >BOSON >Very good from an Exam-Prep point of view - wide in coverage but not too >'twisted"in nature to shake you on your fundamnetals. So do it I guess closer >to the exams > >What I liked about the Boson tests were that they always gave yu a link to >the >cisco site for the subject matter they were testing you on - so that >sometimes >gives yu a different view of the technology which helped me a lot at times - >a >different view points - so review their answers on every question its a great >guide ! Interesting point. That's a very good thing to do for learning...we haven't done it recently because Cisco lawyers tend not to like direct links. I'd be happy to do it if Cisco didn't object. > >So if yu are purely exam bound then its Boson for you but if yu want to >really >get rock hard on yur fundamentals - then its the Zone's papers !1 > >Good luck !! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26993&t=26969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson tests are poor for preparation!
as expectedstill in Beta mode ...that's why "rtc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Do not use Boson tests. They do not prepare you for the BSCN exam! They > simply have no resemblence to the real thing. > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests
Title: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests CIT # 2 is the best from Boson. ""Pickett, Mike"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey guys, Just checking to see with the recent rash of people that have passed this test, if you used boson at all, if you thought test 1, 2, 3 was most similar to the cisco exam thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin:Â 1684328
Re: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests
Title: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests I haven't taken the exam yet, but have purchased both tests 1 & 2. If I were only to purchase one, it'd definitely be test 2. The questions are more challenging, and more importantly, the answers include references both from the Cisco Press CIT book and from the Cisco web site. Test 1 doesn't include references in the answers. Robert is the author of test 2. I was also extremely impressed with his FRS exam -- there was no comparison between his and the other.  HTH, Steve ""Pickett, Mike"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey guys, Just checking to see with the recent rash of people that have passed this test, if you used boson at all, if you thought test 1, 2, 3 was most similar to the cisco exam thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin: 1684328
Re: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests
Title: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests After rereading my post, I think I might have given the impression Test 1 isn't of value. I am finding questions there that aren't in Test 2 -- in short, I think its a worthwhile test. I still believe Test 2 is superior because of better questions and in references. If I had it to do over again, I'd still purchase Test 1. I don't see me purchasing Test 3 (I don't know anything about it, but don't want to spend another $30 and feel the two tests will be sufficient).  Steve   ""Pickett, Mike"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey guys, Just checking to see with the recent rash of people that have passed this test, if you used boson at all, if you thought test 1, 2, 3 was most similar to the cisco exam thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin: 1684328
RE: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests
Title: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests thanks for the info -Original Message-From: Stephen Alston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: CIT/Support 2.0 Exam and Boson Tests I haven't taken the exam yet, but have purchased both tests 1 & 2. If I were only to purchase one, it'd definitely be test 2. The questions are more challenging, and more importantly, the answers include references both from the Cisco Press CIT book and from the Cisco web site. Test 1 doesn't include references in the answers. Robert is the author of test 2. I was also extremely impressed with his FRS exam -- there was no comparison between his and the other.  HTH, Steve ""Pickett, Mike"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey guys, Just checking to see with the recent rash of people that have passed this test, if you used boson at all, if you thought test 1, 2, 3 was most similar to the cisco exam thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin: 1684328
Re: CCIE written and BOSON tests [7:2840]
TEST ""scott mann"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Pre-CCIE written folks, > > Instead of continually responing to the same question, I will answer it > here: > > I passed the CCIE written by using ALL 3 of the BOSON tests. I cannot really > say which test had more questions in relation to the actual exam, but > suffice it to say that instead of asking me which one of the three is the > best, you should plunk down the measly $90 and buy all three. Isn't the > point of this to gain knowledge and become excellent at what you do through > that knowledge? Spend time going through all 600+ questions(some are > repetitive) and learn not only the answers, but the why; use the referenced > links to Cisco's website and/or Caslow book. You can never study too much > material as long as it's relevant to your future success. Right? > > Oh, and don't take this to mean that the BOSON's will be enough to pass > alone, you need some good fundamentals in networking and a couple of the > better books out there. I suggest the new CCIE TCP/IP volume II book by > Cisco Press, and Volume II caslow book. Read and remember! > > Good Luck > > Scott > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2876&t=2840 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written and BOSON tests [7:2840]
Scott, You mention the following: >I suggest the new CCIE TCP/IP volume II book by >Cisco Press, and Volume II caslow book. Read and remember! Doyle's CCIE TCP/IP Volume II (Cisco Press) was just released about a week or so ago (Volume I has been around awhile), while the Caslow book doesn't have a Volume II, but does have a 2d edition. Could you clarify which books you are referring to. Thanks. Greg Macaulay Oldest CCNP/DP on Earth Lifetime member of AARP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2908&t=2840 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE written and BOSON tests [7:2840]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Amen. Personally, I found the tests INVALUABLE in passing the CCIE written on the first go-round. I only hope that I can repeat that performance for the lab in September... :) - -Brant - - Original Message - From: "scott mann" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: CCIE written and BOSON tests [7:2840] > Pre-CCIE written folks, > > Instead of continually responing to the same question, I will > answer it here: > > I passed the CCIE written by using ALL 3 of the BOSON tests. I > cannot really say which test had more questions in relation to the > actual exam, but suffice it to say that instead of asking me which > one of the three is the best, you should plunk down the measly $90 > and buy all three. Isn't the point of this to gain knowledge and > become excellent at what you do through that knowledge? Spend time > going through all 600+ questions(some are repetitive) and learn > not only the answers, but the why; use the referenced links to > Cisco's website and/or Caslow book. You can never study too much > material as long as it's relevant to your future success. Right? > > Oh, and don't take this to mean that the BOSON's will be enough to > pass alone, you need some good fundamentals in networking and a > couple of the better books out there. I suggest the new CCIE > TCP/IP volume II book by Cisco Press, and Volume II caslow book. > Read and remember! > > Good Luck > > Scott > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOvAibv8m30XxCss3EQIoZgCfQ98GcTGMCKg0t+DeLH66L0uBFqYAoJkZ 1Za+fEEhNp4KiTwGFotSaLqE =y8TB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2923&t=2840 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33879&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639]
I thought about that after I took the exam, but there was something else I noticed when taking the boson tests. Try taking one of the more popular CCIE prep books, or maybe even the CCIE Professional Development books, and go through a section. (Not a chapter, but one section of a chapter). Then, try to think of 5 questions you could ask someone that would test their comprehension of that section. I'm willing to bet that 4 of those 5 questions you thought of will show up, worded slightly differently, on the boson tests, and 1 or 2 of those 5 questions are in the test bank for the written. Just my .02 > -Original Message- > From: Gardner, Brent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > I too recently passed my written CCIE. I would go so far to > say that the > Boson tests push the limits in terms of ethical test > preparation. I would > say there were approximately five questions on the practice > exams that were > right out of the Cisco test. Most of these questions were > worded almost > exactly the same as they were in the CCIE written and the > material they > touched on was pretty esoteric. > > Brent Gardner Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26863&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639]
It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests are done by different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get their questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exams, if not right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state right in their author contract that they are not responsible for exams that contain questions that break the NDA. The author will be held responsible. It's not like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for NDA violations. Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam questions, the more exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, "Boson Test #2 is the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything different than any other company selling certification practice exams. It's a ridiculously huge, cut-throat, and competitive market out there for study materials. Shawn -Original Message- From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] I thought about that after I took the exam, but there was something else I noticed when taking the boson tests. Try taking one of the more popular CCIE prep books, or maybe even the CCIE Professional Development books, and go through a section. (Not a chapter, but one section of a chapter). Then, try to think of 5 questions you could ask someone that would test their comprehension of that section. I'm willing to bet that 4 of those 5 questions you thought of will show up, worded slightly differently, on the boson tests, and 1 or 2 of those 5 questions are in the test bank for the written. Just my .02 > -Original Message- > From: Gardner, Brent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > I too recently passed my written CCIE. I would go so far to > say that the > Boson tests push the limits in terms of ethical test > preparation. I would > say there were approximately five questions on the practice > exams that were > right out of the Cisco test. Most of these questions were > worded almost > exactly the same as they were in the CCIE written and the > material they > touched on was pretty esoteric. > > Brent Gardner Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26882&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639]
Interesting observation. I don't think Cisco would even care if a company was putting out test questions that matched the exam... after all, if less qualified people try and fail at the lab, that's just easy money for them anyway. Either way, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm just going to make sure I'm not "easy money". Hal > -Original Message- > From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests > are done by > different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get their > questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual > exams, if not > right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state > right in their > author contract that they are not responsible for exams that contain > questions that break the NDA. The author will be held > responsible. It's not > like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for > NDA violations. > Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam > questions, the more > exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, > "Boson Test #2 is > the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything > different than > any other company selling certification practice exams. It's > a ridiculously > huge, cut-throat, and competitive market out there for study > materials. > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > I thought about that after I took the exam, but there was > something else I > noticed when taking the boson tests. Try taking one of the > more popular CCIE > prep books, or maybe even the CCIE Professional Development > books, and go > through a section. (Not a chapter, but one section of a > chapter). Then, try > to think of 5 questions you could ask someone that would test their > comprehension of that section. I'm willing to bet that 4 of those 5 > questions you thought of will show up, worded slightly > differently, on the > boson tests, and 1 or 2 of those 5 questions are in the test > bank for the > written. > > Just my .02 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gardner, Brent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:07 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > > > > I too recently passed my written CCIE. I would go so far to > > say that the > > Boson tests push the limits in terms of ethical test > > preparation. I would > > say there were approximately five questions on the practice > > exams that were > > right out of the Cisco test. Most of these questions were > > worded almost > > exactly the same as they were in the CCIE written and the > > material they > > touched on was pretty esoteric. > > > > Brent Gardner Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26888&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
As one of CertificationZone's study question authors, I'll attest to what Mike has said - that questions are meant to reinforce key concepts. Yet another exam certification preparation series that follows this same philosophy is Sybex's Virtual Test Center line. The CCNA series has been quite successful - and shortly Sybex will be going live with their new CCNP Virtual Test series. CertificationZone and Sybex are both successful in their product in that people use them to enhance their skills, rather than as a simple way of getting just enough knowledge to pass the exam--and that in turn makes the people who purchase their products more employable because they've got the skills and knowledge to get the job done. In the end, generally it's the person with the knowledge and skills that's going to get the job--rather than the person with a few letters of the alphabet tacked onto their name. So no Shawn, not every test preparation company out there ascribes to that philosophy - but granted, many do. -- Leigh Anne (CCNP) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Cinquanti Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639] I'm responding to Shawn's "Boson Tests border on Unethical" post because CertificationZone.com does market Practice Exams that do help prepare users for Cisco's CCNA, CCIE, and CCNP Routing and Switching tests but we do not ask our Authors to "get their questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exam". Here's why: CertificationZone.com publishes Study Guides that address the key technical topics our users must master to earn their CCNA, CCNP, and CCIE certifications. Each month, we introduce new Study Guides written by experts in the topics they address. The purpose of a Study Guide is to examine and explain the key technical concepts of the featured topic and to provide the reader with tools that can be used to assess their comprehension of that topic. One such assessment tool included in every ZONE Study Guide is a set of approximately 25 Study Questions, written by the same expert. Along with the correct answer, each Question is accompanied by a complete Explanation. Every ZONE Study Question and Explanation is first technically reviewed by a qualified networking professional, then reviewed for grammar and punctuation, and finally undergoes a review for user friendliness. What's the purpose of our user friendliness review? We have a very competent MIS professional who knows just a little about networking read each question and explanation to make sure he can understand what is being asked by the question and explained by the explanation. The vast majority of the over 2,000 questions that feed the ZONE's on-line Exam Engine were, therefore, originally written as Study Guide Questions. And that's the key difference between the ZONE series of Practice Tests for Cisco exams and everyone else's. Instead of helping you memorize, ZONE exams force you to think. Our questions are harder than those you'll encounter on the real test, but they are easier to read and well-explained. We like to tell people who ask about ZONE exams that they learn more flunking one of ours than they will learn passing five of their's. Of course, we're not perfect. We make mistakes. And I'm sure we have questions in our database that are very similar to those you'll see on Boson exams or Cisco's for that matter. But I want to make sure the members of this forum understand that I do not agree with Shawn Kaminski's statement. CertificationZone.com does do things differently than Boson and other Practice Exam providers because we are much more than a provider of practice exams. And I also don't mean to insinuate that Boson does ask their authors to do anything unethical. I only know how the ZONE's Practice Exams are created. >It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests are done by >different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get their >questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exams, if not >right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state right in their >author contract that they are not responsible for exams that contain >questions that break the NDA. The author will be held responsible. It's not >like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for NDA violations. >Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam questions, the more >exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, "Boson Test #2 is >the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything different than >any other company selling certification practice exams. It's a ridiculously >huge, cut-throat,
Re: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
I disagree. Everyone seems to think teaching to the test is a bad thing, but I think it's a lot more fuzzy than that. Here's an example, If I ask you what 3x3 equals, you can answer 9 (I hope). How do you know that? Did you go to college and study math theory for four years? Do you how many pages it takes to prove that 3x3=9? Do you know the concepts needed for the proof? I'm assuming that you were learned 3x3 just like I did, with a 3rd grade teacher going over it and over it and over it. She was in effect, was teaching to the test. Let's jump forward a few years. Lately I've been dealing with L2TP/IPSEC/VPN. I think I understand the basic concepts these protocols well, seeing that I use them daily, but in truth do I really? If someone asked me to code a tcp/ip stack for vpn, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. I think it would take me years just to start understanding the high math needed to code a vpn protocol. My point being that I have learned the correct answers on how to use vpn by being told the correct answers thru self study, reading and experience. I have in effect taught myself the correct answers to use when I see the correct questions. Is there a difference here other than learning that 3x3=9 and passing third grade math test? I'm not sure there is. I think anyway you look at it, a pass is pass. If someone can learn to pass the test, but can't effectively use that knowledge in the real world, maybe we will find the fault is in the test itself. ""Leigh Anne Chisholm"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > As one of CertificationZone's study question authors, I'll attest to what > Mike > has said - that questions are meant to reinforce key concepts. Yet another > exam certification preparation series that follows this same philosophy is > Sybex's Virtual Test Center line. The CCNA series has been quite successful > - > and shortly Sybex will be going live with their new CCNP Virtual Test series. > > CertificationZone and Sybex are both successful in their product in that > people use them to enhance their skills, rather than as a simple way of > getting just enough knowledge to pass the exam--and that in turn makes the > people who purchase their products more employable because they've got the > skills and knowledge to get the job done. In the end, generally it's the > person with the knowledge and skills that's going to get the job--rather than > the person with a few letters of the alphabet tacked onto their name. > > So no Shawn, not every test preparation company out there ascribes to that > philosophy - but granted, many do. > > > -- Leigh Anne (CCNP) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Mike Cinquanti > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639] > > > I'm responding to Shawn's "Boson Tests border on Unethical" post > because CertificationZone.com does market Practice Exams that do help > prepare users for Cisco's CCNA, CCIE, and CCNP Routing and Switching > tests but we do not ask our Authors to "get their questions as close > as possible to the questions on the actual exam". Here's why: > > CertificationZone.com publishes Study Guides that address the key > technical topics our users must master to earn their CCNA, CCNP, and > CCIE certifications. Each month, we introduce new Study Guides > written by experts in the topics they address. The purpose of a Study > Guide is to examine and explain the key technical concepts of the > featured topic and to provide the reader with tools that can be used > to assess their comprehension of that topic. > > One such assessment tool included in every ZONE Study Guide is a set > of approximately 25 Study Questions, written by the same expert. > Along with the correct answer, each Question is accompanied by a > complete Explanation. Every ZONE Study Question and Explanation is > first technically reviewed by a qualified networking professional, > then reviewed for grammar and punctuation, and finally undergoes a > review for user friendliness. What's the purpose of our user > friendliness review? We have a very competent MIS professional who > knows just a little about networking read each question and > explanation to make sure he can understand what is being asked by the > question and explained by the explanation. > > The vast majority of the over 2,000 questions that feed the ZONE's > on-line Exam Engine were, therefore, originally written as Study > Guide Questions. And that's the key difference between the ZONE > series of Practice
Re: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
I am digressing a bit, and want to concentrate specifically on "raw memorization" vs "understanding." I am a big fan of theory for a few reasons. I mean REALLY understanding theory, not just saying "yeah I get the theory, but I do not understand it." No. If you understand the theory, you understand it, period. If you cannot explain something to someone, you do NOT know that something. Period. Implementation details aside. Although both ways can be used to conquer any test, be it raw memorization or knowing the theory well and having some cached info in your head, ultimately, I think you are doing yourself a disservice by failing to understand the theory. 1) For someone who just memorizes and memorizes answers, when "new technology" comes out, they are baffled at first, and take a long time to relearn. 2) For someone who knows the theory, when "new technology" comes out, it is trivial to apply the theory to most new technologies and easily understand it. While this is a bit drastic, simply because many people begin to learn the theory as they memorize all sorts of information, I feel this is closer to the truth than most people realize. Some people just outright never learn it. As for the 3x3 bit, that is just embedding cached knowledge in someone's head. No different than someone eventually memorizing the decimal -> binary conversions. The difference is, the man who knows the theory will be able to derive back the answer should he forget. The one who just memorizes will forget, and fail. 3x3 is somewhat of the simple extreme case since it has been drilled in since day 1. Also, it is akin to realizing that 3x3 is merely a shortcut for 3+3+3. The one who just memorizes would sadly never know that. It is also why you learn addition before multiplication. Being asked to code a tcp/ip stack for vpn and understanding the different phases of IKE and IPsec are a bit different. Ultimately, you should only need to learn what you need to succeed in whatever job field you are in. However, UNDERSTANDING it is a key issue. Also, to design a protocol in itself does NOT require high math. A protocol, by definition, is a language of types. A form of communication. You need zero math to do that. As for the actual encryption ciphers and how they function, if you wanted to know precisely how they worked or were to design a new cipher, then math would enter into the fray. I do not blame the test. The test has no way of discerning between one who truly understands and someone who memorizes. Sure there are ways to draw it out a bit more (written essays, open ended answers), but that makes things a bit difficult to grade and handle effectively in large numbers. I just worry a lot more when someone simply passes by pure memorization, and does not know WHY answer A is so. Odds are that individual will quickly forget, and will take a long time to get back his knowledge. The one who understood it will easily regain that knowledge. I think HR should stop depending on the CERT as a shortcut "verification" system and just ask the senior engineers for doing their own little cross examination. Of course, there could be a chicken and the egg syndrome. What if you have no seniors? ;) At 06:11 PM 11/20/01 -0500, Michael Snyder wrote: >I disagree. > >Everyone seems to think teaching to the test is a bad thing, but I think >it's a lot more fuzzy than that. > >Here's an example, > >If I ask you what 3x3 equals, you can answer 9 (I hope). How do you know >that? Did you go to college and study math theory for four years? Do you >how many pages it takes to prove that 3x3=9? Do you know the concepts >needed for the proof? > >I'm assuming that you were learned 3x3 just like I did, with a 3rd grade >teacher going over it and over it and over it. She was in effect, was >teaching to the test. > >Let's jump forward a few years. Lately I've been dealing with >L2TP/IPSEC/VPN. I think I understand the basic concepts these protocols >well, seeing that I use them daily, but in truth do I really? > >If someone asked me to code a tcp/ip stack for vpn, I wouldn't have a clue >where to start. I think it would take me years just to start understanding >the high math needed to code a vpn protocol. > >My point being that I have learned the correct answers on how to use vpn by >being told the correct answers thru self study, reading and experience. > >I have in effect taught myself the correct answers to use when I see the >correct questions. Is there a difference here other than learning that >3x3=9 and passing third grade math test? I'm not sure there is. > >I think anyway you look at it, a pass is pass. If someone can learn to pass >the test, but can't effectively use that knowledge in the real world, maybe >we will find the fault is in the test itself. -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstud
Re: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
>I disagree. > >Everyone seems to think teaching to the test is a bad thing, but I think >it's a lot more fuzzy than that. > >Here's an example, > >If I ask you what 3x3 equals, you can answer 9 (I hope). How do you know >that? Did you go to college and study math theory for four years? Do you >how many pages it takes to prove that 3x3=9? Do you know the concepts >needed for the proof? Well, yes, I do. Bear with me. > >I'm assuming that you were learned 3x3 just like I did, with a 3rd grade >teacher going over it and over it and over it. She was in effect, was >teaching to the test. > >Let's jump forward a few years. Lately I've been dealing with >L2TP/IPSEC/VPN. I think I understand the basic concepts these protocols >well, seeing that I use them daily, but in truth do I really? > >If someone asked me to code a tcp/ip stack for vpn, I wouldn't have a clue >where to start. I think it would take me years just to start understanding >the high math needed to code a vpn protocol. There's a big difference among protocol design, protocol coding, network design, and network implementation. You don't need to know the mechanics of label manipulation and recursive tunneling to bring up a decent VPN. While I haven't specifically written TCP/IP VPN code, but I have written X.25 and frame relay code, and am current at the "why" level in IETF VPN specifications. I've very recently done BGP code reviews, including the feasibility of implementing RFC 2547 VPNs with the specific code. First, I wouldn't say a great deal of higher math is involved: basic finite state machines and some techniques of coding and searching. I can teach this stuff, perhaps minus some of the proofs, to a high school student. Let's put it this way...I can and have given enough information to a junior programmer that they can produce the code without being qualified to create the algorithms. > >My point being that I have learned the correct answers on how to use vpn by >being told the correct answers thru self study, reading and experience. My feeling is that if the generic you had a basic knowledge of state machines, a more than Cisco-cursory discussion of OSI and protocol design in general, you could find the correct answers more quickly. > >I have in effect taught myself the correct answers to use when I see the >correct questions. Is there a difference here other than learning that >3x3=9 and passing third grade math test? I'm not sure there is. > >I think anyway you look at it, a pass is pass. If someone can learn to pass >the test, but can't effectively use that knowledge in the real world, maybe >we will find the fault is in the test itself. > > > >""Leigh Anne Chisholm"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> As one of CertificationZone's study question authors, I'll attest to what >> Mike >> has said - that questions are meant to reinforce key concepts. Yet >another >> exam certification preparation series that follows this same philosophy is >> Sybex's Virtual Test Center line. The CCNA series has been quite >successful >> - >> and shortly Sybex will be going live with their new CCNP Virtual Test >series. >> >> CertificationZone and Sybex are both successful in their product in that >> people use them to enhance their skills, rather than as a simple way of >> getting just enough knowledge to pass the exam--and that in turn makes the >> people who purchase their products more employable because they've got the >> skills and knowledge to get the job done. In the end, generally it's the >> person with the knowledge and skills that's going to get the job--rather >than >> the person with a few letters of the alphabet tacked onto their name. >> >> So no Shawn, not every test preparation company out there ascribes to that >> philosophy - but granted, many do. >> >> >>-- Leigh Anne (CCNP) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> Mike Cinquanti >> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:47 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639] >> >> >> I'm responding to Shawn's "Boson Tests border on Unethical" post >> because CertificationZone.com does market Practice Exams that do help >> prepare users for Cisco's CCNA, CCIE, and CCNP Routing and Switching >> tests but we do not ask our Authors to "get their questions as close >> as possible to the questions on the actual e
RE: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
Here's a little story from the Bering Sea. Bear with me and you'll see why the 'thread' fits. The Anacortes, Washington fishing family had been very successful in the late 1980's. Early 1990 saw four brand-new crab boats ready to plunder the king crab population in an area the coast guard describes as 'the major leagues' compared to North Atlantic fishing ground weather conditions. Not too far out of Dutch Harbor, Alaska, two of those boats capsized, killing all 15 crew members aboard, including the son of one of the surviving vessels. While the craft were carrying out a load of 800lb. 'pots, photos of the loaded boats before their doomed departure showed nothing visible to point toward load instability. Investigations, of course, followed. Over a year later, as the investigation was closing, without answers, almost as an afterthought, a shipyard worker approached one investigator. "I don't know if it really matters, but we had some extra bottom paint, and we added an extra 12 inches around the hull of both boats", he told them. Anti-fouling bottom paint, to combat marine organisms, makes a very visible waterline on the hull of a vessel. Normally, this would be considered a 'bonus' for an owner. This time, however, was different. The engineering specifications had the craft designed with bottom paint to a certain level on the hull. The 25 year-old skipper had loaded the crab pots *to the waterline as indicated by the additional 12 inches of paint*. No one, not the planners, not the skipper, not the investigators, had thought that the paint-line, so visible in the after-the-fact photos, was so 'out of spec.' Twelve inches deeper on a 150 foot boat equals tons of additional displacement. The boats flipped like tops; there was not even time for a 'mayday'. There are a couple of lessons here. The first, and most obvious, is "follow the engineering specifications without error." The second, and more relevant to this thread, was that the skipper was operating by rote. He apparently did not understand that the stability of the vessel was not due to a line in the water, but to exact engineering specifications that were inviolate physics. So, does learning to pass the CCxx test(s) require rote learning? Yes. Does that rote learning style make you a safe "skipper"? Probably not. Know your engineering, as much as possible. The "Why's it do that?" are perhaps more important than just knowing it does... Very best, G. VP OGC And have a happy Thanksgiving. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26955&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639]
The basic analysis here seems to make sense. But there is an implied assumption that doesn't. There will always be some people that take advantage of a situation, but the majority of people do not. Our society and economy, to say nothing of complex organizations in general, could not possibly function as they do unless that were the case. Boson has always suggested to me that tests should be written based on the stated exam criteria on CCO and the subjects covered in associated cisco curricula. YMMV. Jason - Boson author (bcmsn1, bscn2, bsci, quizware ccie) Kaminski, Shawn G wrote: > > It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests > are done by > different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get > their > questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual > exams, if not > right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state > right in their > author contract that they are not responsible for exams that > contain > questions that break the NDA. The author will be held > responsible. It's not > like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for NDA > violations. > Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam > questions, the more > exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, > "Boson Test #2 is > the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything > different than > any other company selling certification practice exams. It's a > ridiculously > huge, cut-throat, and competitive market out there for study > materials. > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=27061&t=26639 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZONE Tests vs Boson Tests [7:26639]
After purchasing your product and failing the test, I purchased the Boson tests and find the format superior. Additionally the ability to download updates and have a more detail explanation in the answer as well as a Cisco web reference makes Boson tests a superior value. While your study guides are nice, they do not have the necessary detail to pass the test. If you would like to visit with me about the differences and what you can do to improve your product, please contact me directly. ""Mike Cinquanti"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm responding to Shawn's "Boson Tests border on Unethical" post > because CertificationZone.com does market Practice Exams that do help > prepare users for Cisco's CCNA, CCIE, and CCNP Routing and Switching > tests but we do not ask our Authors to "get their questions as close > as possible to the questions on the actual exam". Here's why: > > CertificationZone.com publishes Study Guides that address the key > technical topics our users must master to earn their CCNA, CCNP, and > CCIE certifications. Each month, we introduce new Study Guides > written by experts in the topics they address. The purpose of a Study > Guide is to examine and explain the key technical concepts of the > featured topic and to provide the reader with tools that can be used > to assess their comprehension of that topic. > > One such assessment tool included in every ZONE Study Guide is a set > of approximately 25 Study Questions, written by the same expert. > Along with the correct answer, each Question is accompanied by a > complete Explanation. Every ZONE Study Question and Explanation is > first technically reviewed by a qualified networking professional, > then reviewed for grammar and punctuation, and finally undergoes a > review for user friendliness. What's the purpose of our user > friendliness review? We have a very competent MIS professional who > knows just a little about networking read each question and > explanation to make sure he can understand what is being asked by the > question and explained by the explanation. > > The vast majority of the over 2,000 questions that feed the ZONE's > on-line Exam Engine were, therefore, originally written as Study > Guide Questions. And that's the key difference between the ZONE > series of Practice Tests for Cisco exams and everyone else's. Instead > of helping you memorize, ZONE exams force you to think. Our questions > are harder than those you'll encounter on the real test, but they are > easier to read and well-explained. We like to tell people who ask > about ZONE exams that they learn more flunking one of ours than they > will learn passing five of their's. > > Of course, we're not perfect. We make mistakes. And I'm sure we have > questions in our database that are very similar to those you'll see > on Boson exams or Cisco's for that matter. But I want to make sure > the members of this forum understand that I do not agree with Shawn > Kaminski's statement. CertificationZone.com does do things > differently than Boson and other Practice Exam providers because we > are much more than a provider of practice exams. And I also don't > mean to insinuate that Boson does ask their authors to do anything > unethical. I only know how the ZONE's Practice Exams are created. > > >It's easy to see what's happening here. All of Boson's tests are done by > >different authors. Each author is going to try like hell to get their > >questions as close as possible to the questions on the actual exams, if not > >right from the exams. Boson doesn't care because they state right in their > >author contract that they are not responsible for exams that contain > >questions that break the NDA. The author will be held responsible. It's not > >like Boson's going to double-check every authored exam for NDA violations. > >Anyway, the closer the author comes to the actual exam questions, the more > >exams he'll sell when word gets around that, for example, "Boson Test #2 is > >the one you need to get". However, Boson isn't doing anything different than > >any other company selling certification practice exams. It's a ridiculously > >huge, cut-throat, and competitive market out there for study materials. > > > >Shawn > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:28 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Boson Tests border on Unethical [7:26639] > > > > > >I thought about that after I took the
RE: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
Yes, first of all the Boson Tests are not ment for preparation of the material (in my opinion), but should be used when you know the material to prepare you for the Cisco Way of asking questions, and to give you an idea what you can expect. I always wait until I have read the book(s) and think I am ready, and if I cannot score about 80% on the first time I take the Boson test(s), I know that I need to go back to my book(s). If you keep taking the Boson test(s), you will eventually score a 100%, but that doesn't mean that you know your material - only that you have a good memory. As one of the only exams I have ever taken, I only used one book for the BCRAN exam, and you can read more about that if you follow my Router Chief link below. Hth, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: rtc9 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879] I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33888&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
I just read the CCNP exam certification guide for Remote Access. It was pretty straight-forward and that book covered it all. ""rtc9"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me > prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I > was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does > anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33891&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
I am in the same boat as you were, but with the BCSN test. My suggestion is that where it is fine to use testing software, but make sure you understand why the answer is right, and not just what the answer is. Since I missed the BCSN test by 1 or 2 questions, I may being doing overkill with my studying. But studying too much is not a bad thing, because it will help in the long run. Really knowing the subject will help you if the person writing the test tries to "bait" you to selecting an answer because you recognized it from some commonly used software. I think they are being more creative with the questions since the price increase of the exams. It is not the cookie cutter questions anymore. I have my CCNA now, and no one has every stopped me from working on a router or firewall asking me for my CCNP papers. I think the program is a great guideline, but having experience is more important. I am making slow progress with the CCNP, because I am studying for other cisco exams as well that don't fit in that category. My suggestion to you for the BCRAN exam is to read a few different books, maybe 3. That's what im doing right now to make sure I know all the material. I might read the concept in 1 book, and think I understand it, then read it in another book, and they emphasize on something else. This is really helping me understand concepts from more then 1 point of view. Even if the book has errors, you will notice that your other books said something different. The networks I work on are not worldwide, so I don't have everyday exposure to BGP, and hooking up to several ISPs etc, so I have to make sure what I am reading is correct. In my humble opinion, some of the questions on boson test are a bit obscure. Just concentrate on what is on the Cisco outline, and try not to deviate too far from that. Being that you almost passed, I think with a bit more reading, or maybe reading a book from another point of view, that you will definitely pass next time. I am sure there were some things you saw on the exam, or the format of the exam, that you can use to study certain areas. -Original Message- From: rtc9 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879] I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33923&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
Hello, As an exam prep, Transcender is a good one, i had used it with Cisco BCRAN and got 864% . Salam ""rtc9"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me > prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I > was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does > anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=34012&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
I'd head back to the Cisco Press book and lay less blame on the software. The Bosons only got me in the mind set to answer the obscure, but the real momentum to pass the exam came from the BCRAN. All the best !!! Phil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mohannad Khuffash Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879] Hello, As an exam prep, Transcender is a good one, i had used it with Cisco BCRAN and got 864% . Salam ""rtc9"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me > prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I > was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does > anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=34038&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boson Tests didnt help for BCRAN [7:33879]
I think, you should read not only one book. I've studied 3 different books (cisco press, sybax and mc graw-hill). I've tested me with the boson tests. After doing this intensive learning, the BCRAN example was no problem (i think, about 950 points). I think, you should understand the stuff, not only trying to pass the exam. The exam should be the smallest of all of your problems ! ""rtc9"" schrieb im Newsbeitrag [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I recently took the BCRAN Test and used Boson Tests 1 and 2 to help me > prepare along with the Cisco Book. I didnt pass, I missed by one question. I > was taken aback; the Boson tests didnt really prepare me for the Exam. Does > anyone have any suggestions for the BCRAN Exam preparation process. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=34137&t=33879 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
